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Mike Zimmer isn’t happy that Johnathan Joseph got away

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As it turns out, the folks who assign the rooms at Bengals camp aren’t the only ones who thought that cornerback Johnathan Joseph would be returning to the team.  Defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer thought so, too.

“I was under the assumption in the conversations I’ve had since before the lockout that we were going to get him back.  I was pretty much told we were going to get him back,” Zimmer said Friday, via the team’s official website.

As a result, Zimmer isn’t happy about the fact that Joseph is a Texan.  “I’m upset, disappointed, frustrated,” Zimmer said. “It’s disappointing.  You get good guys off the field, they work hard in the weight room and on the practice field and you kind of mold them what you want them to look like and they get out of here.”

So what’s the plan for replacing Joseph?  Um, we’re not sure there is one.

“It will be interesting to see what the next guy is,” Zimmer said.  “Whether he’s here, or at training camp, or on the street somewhere, or if he’s on another team, or Canada.  Who knows?  You have to find somebody out there and play and if we can’t find a guy exactly what we’re looking for, we’ll have to alter some of the things we’re looking to do.”

It’s unknown what the Bengals did to try to keep Joseph.  Though no exclusive negotiating window existed, they had the ability to sit down with Joseph or bring him to town from Tuesday at 10:00 a.m. ET through Friday at 6:00 p.m. ET.

Instead, all that’s left is a piece of paper with Joseph’s name on it.

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61 Responses to “Mike Zimmer isn’t happy that Johnathan Joseph got away”
  1. goldrush94 says: Jul 29, 2011 11:39 PM

    That’s the Bungles for ya!

  2. jeffdavisbearfan says: Jul 29, 2011 11:39 PM

    2011 Bengals = Dumpster Fire

  3. goawayeverybody says: Jul 29, 2011 11:40 PM

    The Bengals are going 0-16 this year. You can write it down.

  4. bison4me says: Jul 29, 2011 11:41 PM

    I hate to say it, but in this day and age, if you got a good player, “Show ‘em the money”. They’ll always play for the person that does.

  5. larrydavidstern says: Jul 29, 2011 11:43 PM

    I’d say the Bengals are the early favorites to be drafting #1 next year!

  6. brownsfn says: Jul 29, 2011 11:44 PM

    Leave it up to the Bungles to be the only team to screw up this freeagency worse than the Browns….

  7. barklikeadog says: Jul 29, 2011 11:44 PM

    Bungled!

  8. pacash80 says: Jul 29, 2011 11:45 PM

    Mike Brown shouldn’t have been born.

  9. riverhorsey says: Jul 29, 2011 11:45 PM

    the Bengals are just a screwed up organization and owner Brown id responsible for that.

  10. whatchutalkinabouthillis says: Jul 29, 2011 11:51 PM

    Should have kept Morgan Trent, he wasn’t special but he was way better than the alternatives.

  11. thechozen says: Jul 29, 2011 11:51 PM

    hopefully they win the Andrew Luck sweepstakes and bring in “Chucky” Gruden to coach the team

  12. johnjosephyossarian says: Jul 29, 2011 11:53 PM

    I enjoy watching the Bungles suck.

    But it’s sad at the same time.

  13. AlanSaysYo says: Jul 29, 2011 11:54 PM

    Mike Brown is not good for football.

  14. kmurph1226 says: Jul 29, 2011 11:54 PM

    They have $47 million in cap space. Mike Brown would’ve used it all on Asomugha just to make him miserable

  15. k4aic says: Jul 29, 2011 11:56 PM

    Zim should get out of here while he still can. He is too good of a coach to be stuck under MB. I love Zim as our DC but he deserves better!

  16. camdenyard says: Jul 29, 2011 11:59 PM

    Joe Flacco’s cheer was heard 800 miles away!

  17. sgt50 says: Jul 30, 2011 12:00 AM

    the bengals have got to have the worse owner in all of sports.

  18. stanklepoot says: Jul 30, 2011 12:00 AM

    I said it before FA started. If I were Joseph, I couldn’t sign with a new team fast enough. The organization is considered the worst pro sports franchise in America. The owner can’t even be bothered to build an indoor facility so the team has a decent place to practice in bad weather. A rookie and Brad Gradkowski will be battling for the start at QB. They’re trying to resign a RB who is facing charges. They let their best pass rusher walk out the door. It’s hard to believe, even with a franchise like the Bengals. They went into FA with one of the biggest amounts of cap space, and they’ve actually gotten worse during FA so far. It goes to show you, if your organization is anything but organized, then unless you dramatically overpay players, FAs will avoid you if possible and your players will sign elsewhere if they have the option. This is one of the main problems I had with Mike Brown’s decision and comments concerning Carson Palmer. While others spoke approvingly of his tough stance and the message he sent to the league that he was running things, I saw a guy who publicly demonstrated to players his willingness to mess with their careers. Say what you want about the players, but they’re smart enough to know that it’s better to avoid putting your careers in the hands of a man like Mike Brown. I feel sorry for Zimmerman. He busted his butt to put together a really good defense, only to watch his FO let it slip away.

  19. andyreidisfat says: Jul 30, 2011 12:06 AM

    Atleast the Browns have a sane ownership who really wants to win even if they have made mistakes. This Mike Brown is a joke. This guy is saying that refuses to “reward” (nice choice of words) Carson by trading him because he signed a contract the same day he is sitting with other suits picking which players they will cut. Guess what Mike Brown those players have contracts and you should probably honor all of them if your going to go on national TV and blast a guy for not wanting to play for you.

    Its pretty clear that an ownership needs to change when a guy would rather retire than than collect35 mil playing a game he loves. Even the Redskins who make bad choices every year are trying to win for their fans, they may be really really bad but still they are trying. The Bengals are clearly not. Mr. Brown has put his own ego over the good of his team. They might have been able to get a first round pick for Palmer, hell the Eagles stole DRC and 2nd for a guy who played 7 GAMES. I really really do feel bad Bengals fans Its been 23 years since they have had any kind of period of even being average. It is HIGH time the NFL stepped in and told Mr. Brown and family its time to move on.

    Why anyone would want to play for that team is beyond me. I feel bad for AJ Green and Andy daulton (players who i think will both be very good nfl players) because they will never be great and its not their fault. They will never achieve like they could because the franchise as a whole is a loser. From the top down and its not fair from the bottom up. The coaches players fans parking lot attendents are pooped on every season by an ownership that refuses to do what it takes to win in the NFL. Perhaps Mike Brown would be a better owner in the UFL.

    I’m sorry but i feel so bad for fans of sports franchises who put so much money especially in a working class town like Cincy into a sports team that doesn’t give a crap about them. A team that thinks its more important to prove a point than to win football games and reward those who do spend what they do have to support the orange and black. And to those fans I hope you are lucky enough as we were in Philly that rich great man like Jeff lurie (i think thats how it is spelled) came and rescued us from the evil norman brayman (who is the guy that made Reggie white leave because he was the only human Reggie didnt feel like playing football for )

    It will happen some day and hopefully soon.

  20. benh999 says: Jul 30, 2011 12:08 AM

    Is there anything more depressing than being a Bengals fan?

  21. theduuuuuuuuuude says: Jul 30, 2011 12:08 AM

    Too bad they drafted Andy Dalton this year, because it looks like they’ll have the best chance of drafting Andrew Luck next year. The Bengals are the Clippers of the NFL.

  22. quizguy66 says: Jul 30, 2011 12:12 AM

    @whatchutalkinabouthillis

    They kept Morgan Trent (or unwaived him) – they were worried about his knee but , per Cincy Jungle reworked his contract to protect them from his surgically repaired knee:

    http://www.cincyjungle.com/2011/7/29/2304160/bengals-reworked-morgan-trents-contract-to-protect-them-from

    Anyhow, as for Zimmer – I’m extremely concerned about this. He’s a guy who will be sought after when his contract runs out. They didn’t prioritize a safety for him in the draft. Losing Joseph is just a total disaster in this regard. That’s as close to calling him out as possible. On a side note, while Bratkowski was (necessarily) let go, he was very close to Zimmer as Brat and his family were very support of Zimmer after the untimely passing of his wife – I don’t know if that sat as well with Zim as it did with Bengals fans.

    -QG

  23. itsmebobd says: Jul 30, 2011 12:12 AM

    Andrew luck here we come! We’re doing everything we can to win the Andrew Luck Derby!

  24. quizguy66 says: Jul 30, 2011 12:14 AM

    On a different note, this would’ve been a helluva year for the Bengals to appear on Hard Knocks again, eh?

    -QG

  25. gbfanforever says: Jul 30, 2011 12:15 AM

    Well, if there was ever a year you wanted to pick first it would be next year.

  26. painterdude says: Jul 30, 2011 12:18 AM

    “And with the first pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the Bungals select QB out of Stanford University Andrew Luck” says Commishioner Goodell.
    “^%#%~}” says Luck. “hahahaha” says Carson Palmer.

  27. atmedic8daily says: Jul 30, 2011 12:20 AM

    4-0 start!

  28. croghan1919 says: Jul 30, 2011 12:29 AM

    DOH!!!

  29. freedomispopular says: Jul 30, 2011 12:35 AM

    For Andrew Luck’s sake, I hope the Bengals somehow manage to win a couple games.

  30. realitypolice says: Jul 30, 2011 12:43 AM

    Good God- these comments were on the Bengals OFFICIAL WEBSITE?!?!?

    “Whether he’s here, or at training camp, or on the street somewhere, or if he’s on another team, or Canada. Who knows?”

    I am not a Bengals fan, and I don’t live in Ohio. But I do personally know several people fairly high up in their chain of command, and I can tell you that the hopelessness and frustration that is thinly veiled in these remarks is shared throughout the organization. That is why every time I see Mike Brown on TV, or read a quote from him, I get viscerally angry, and I feel terrible for their fans.

    I don’t even know any Bengals fans, but I don’t need to know them to know that they deserve better than this.

    They don’t even get to be excited about finishing first in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

    Because there is no way in hell that Mike Brown will pay first round money to two QB’s in consecutive years, no matter how affordable the rookie pay scale makes them.

    He will say that the team is set at QB with Dalton (and he will say this no matter how Dalton looks this year) and trade out of the pick.

    That may sound crazy, but I have a feeling anyone who has followed the Bengals in the Mike Brown era is terrified that I’m right.

  31. downsouth49er says: Jul 30, 2011 12:43 AM

    Are there any Bengals fans outside of Ohio? It just seems like every other team has a fanbase that is spread all over, but I never see a Bengals fan.

  32. revengeofthefilthymcnasty says: Jul 30, 2011 12:51 AM

    It gets worse, Mike.

    Carlos. Rogers.

  33. terrellblowens says: Jul 30, 2011 1:12 AM

    I think the Eagles would gladly take the Bengals first rounder for Asante Samuel. Shh… it’s not going to be the first pick ;)

  34. whodeytn says: Jul 30, 2011 1:15 AM

    I said it before FA started. If I were Joseph, I couldn’t sign with a new team fast enough. The organization is considered the worst pro sports franchise in America. The owner can’t even be bothered to build an indoor facility so the team has a decent place to practice in bad weather. A rookie and Brad Gradkowski will be battling for the start at QB. They’re trying to resign a RB who is facing charges. They let their best pass rusher walk out the door. It’s hard to believe, even with a franchise like the Bengals. They went into FA with one of the biggest amounts of cap space, and they’ve actually gotten worse during FA so far. It goes to show you, if your organization is anything but organized, then unless you dramatically overpay players, FAs will avoid you if possible and your players will sign elsewhere if they have the option. This is one of the main problems I had with Mike Brown’s decision and comments concerning Carson Palmer. While others spoke approvingly of his tough stance and the message he sent to the league that he was running things, I saw a guy who publicly demonstrated to players his willingness to mess with their careers. Say what you want about the players, but they’re smart enough to know that it’s better to avoid putting your careers in the hands of a man like Mike Brown. I feel sorry for Zimmerman. He busted his butt to put together a really good defense, only to watch his FO let it slip away.
    =============

    1. Who is Zimmerman?
    2. Who is Brad Gradkowski?
    3. Who was our best pass rusher that we let walk? Odom? L O L

    Just giving you a hard time. Being a Bengals fan is the hardest thing to be. Check the message boards, you will see how any glimmer of hope or good news gets some people waaaaay too excited. Mike Brown has trained the fanbase to jump for joy when the smallest thing happens.. Meanwhile, he’s pocketing $49 million.

  35. bigguy54 says: Jul 30, 2011 1:23 AM

    Not a Nebgals fan either, but I feel sorry for them. This owner is worse than Ken Behring when he bought the Seahawks to just move them to LA. He did everything possible to make the team worse. Some of the worst years in our short history.

    I hope Cincy does get the #1 pick and trades it to Seattle, with the players we have been adding he would fit in nicely here. I again would feel sorry for the Fans, but like andyreidisfat said, you will get a new Owner and it will be better. Behring finally left after the tax incentives ran out, plus he could not walk through the Streets in Seattle without fear of being shot.

  36. pacificnw7722 says: Jul 30, 2011 1:39 AM

    Mike Zimmer…. please contact GM John Schneider of the Seattle Seahawks about the IMPENDING vacancy of the Defensive Coordinator position.

    You will LOVE the beauty and scenery of the Pacific Northwest.

  37. depotnator says: Jul 30, 2011 1:59 AM

    Mike Brown was too busy giving pressers on why he wouldn’t trade Carson Palmer. He didn’t have time to negotiate with Joseph.

  38. CKL says: Jul 30, 2011 2:25 AM

    What kind of organization doesn’t have their assistants in the loop when they decide not to keep high end personnel???
    YE GODS.
    I do feel for Bengals fans a bunch. Kind of like Bills fans. They seem to be mostly good people and it’s hard not to admire/respect their loyalty.

    @ realitypolice…I’ve been curious to know which team is your favorite. You’ve never once that I know of given it away, you sly devil you.

  39. pdxpanther says: Jul 30, 2011 2:31 AM

    I hope Andrew Luck is happy with his decision to stay one more year. Because at least the Panthers are putting pieces around Newton to give him the chance to succeed. He’ll likely end up in the purgatory of the NFL, Cincinnati or Buffalo.

  40. savannahrose44 says: Jul 30, 2011 2:44 AM

    Well no fear of the Bungles once again. I sure hope Luck has a good season… It would be funny to see all these teams scraping to get a shot at him if he bombs this year.

  41. goawayeverybody says: Jul 30, 2011 2:49 AM

    The people I really feel sorry for are the fans who are very loyal. They are truly getting a raw deal.

  42. steelcurtainn says: Jul 30, 2011 3:08 AM

    What a Bungle of a mess! Bengal fans really are nice people, most of them. It all starts at the top.

  43. TurdSandwich says: Jul 30, 2011 3:15 AM

    The Bengals aren’t winning any Super Bowls any time soon, but the comments here are just a bit offbase. This team is only one season removed from AFCN Champs. Chad was stinking up the place already and JJ was hurt all the time. Carson quitting is a hit but they have a couple of guys they like for his long term replacement. Quality corps of young WR/TEs.
    Baltimore rarely beats them, same w Cleveland.
    This team will be right around 500 regardless of the JJ mishap. Get a clue.

  44. TurdSandwich says: Jul 30, 2011 3:18 AM

    @ downsouth49er. Don’t know where you are in the south but Bengals fans abound throughout the south. Can’t the same for the Niners though.

  45. nomoreseasontix says: Jul 30, 2011 3:46 AM

    As a long suffering Raider fan, I can honestly say that the Bengals’ operation makes the Raiders look like a well oiled machine.

  46. rcali says: Jul 30, 2011 4:04 AM

    Earth to Zimmer. You work for the Bengals. It could be worse, you could work for the Raiders.

  47. laxer37 says: Jul 30, 2011 5:17 AM

    @TurdSandwich:

    Perfect screen name for a Bengal fan. You guys line up and keep letting Mike Brown force-feed you those sandwiches.

    Keep making excuses for the Bengals and Mike Brown might make your next sandwich a double!

  48. cotts1 says: Jul 30, 2011 5:27 AM

    Any owner who sees some bum QB (Kolb) rake in a 2nd and a stud corner and doesn’t trade his borderline all star QB who is demanding a trade is a FOOL!!!!

  49. dirtdawg55 says: Jul 30, 2011 7:16 AM

    The Bengals will spend as little as they can these next two years as the minimum salary cap requirement doesn’t kick in until 2013. Brown needs to line his pockets while he can.

    As for hoping to draft Luck, that’s a stupid Bengals fan for ya’. You just supposedly got your QB of the future and used a two on him. Now you are hoping to burn a one on another QB just so you can end up cutting one (you can’t keep both and have a carousel at QB).

    A smart team would have dished Ochou Stink long ago. They would be dumping Palmer now. Worried about leverage with players? Win more often. It keeps more of them in the fold than not. But if you don’t win and keep cheeping out on facilitates, players will obviously go to where they can optimize their careers.

    Your biggest moments in the next few years will be those rare wins against key “rivals”. As rare as they will be I am sure Bengay fans will crow like little girls, because it will be all they have to crow about. The rest of us will be enjoying repeated playoff berths and potential runs at Super Bowls.

  50. tatum064 says: Jul 30, 2011 7:20 AM

    He isnt happy Carson Palmer got away, Chad Ochocinco or J.Joseph. But they did get Deuce Lutui, so it isnt all bad. SC reigns in Cincy, Lutui, Keith Rivers and Rey Manumaleuga

    Fight On, Trojans!

  51. bcar1023 says: Jul 30, 2011 7:24 AM

    Man, it’s a sad day for American football when even us Lion’s fans can feel sorry for the fans of another team. Mike Brown makes William Clay Ford look like Robert Kraft.

  52. romeisfallingagain says: Jul 30, 2011 7:54 AM

    It’s really no wonder Carson Palmer would rather retire than play for this laughing stock. It’s a shame, he could have been a damn good QB.

    If I’m Andrew Luck, I’m already preparing to pull an Eli Manning. Nobody would blame him. If Mike Brown seriously refuses to trade his rights, I’d go play in Canada.

    Yeah, it’s that bad.

  53. ernestbynershands says: Jul 30, 2011 7:57 AM

    Joseph was honoring Mike Brown’s commitment.
    Could there be any player who would willingly go to play for the Bengals?

  54. depotnator says: Jul 30, 2011 8:20 AM

    @Turd: I wonder how you know Bengals fans abound in the south. What person outside southern Ohio would wear Bungles gear in public? None can say SEC and Bungles in the same breath without laughing hysterically.

  55. contraryguy says: Jul 30, 2011 8:49 AM

    Thanks for clearing that Trent thing up, quizguy. So at least they have him on the roster to compete for a spot. Sounds like Zimmer knows the score though; Bengals still need to sign a free-agent CB for a year, then draft a stud with the top-5 1st rounder they’ll likely have next year (and I say that as a Bengal fan… just being realistic here).

    As for JJ, yeah he’s good but you Texan fans are going to learn some new vocab when watching him… “passes defensed”, and “Why didn’t he catch that?!”

  56. stew48 says: Jul 30, 2011 8:56 AM

    I wrote a comment, clicked submit, don’t see it. Can’t stand heat?

  57. eaglesfan290 says: Jul 30, 2011 9:00 AM

    The Coaches and Players need to lock the Owner OUT at the Bengals stadium!

    Mike Brown = call my agent I need a new job

  58. anpsteel says: Jul 30, 2011 9:49 AM

    If I were a Bengal fan, right now I would do everything in my power to organize a boycott. No attending home games. No purchases. Don’t watch the game on TV.

    Hit Mike Brown where it hurts. His wallet.

  59. paulieorkid says: Jul 30, 2011 1:02 PM

    Bengals got nothing for Joseph.

    Bengals got next to nothing for Ocho.

    Bengals got nothing for Palmer.

    Bengals got no hardware. Ever. Even lost a big game where the opposing QB was focused on John Candy in the stands during the game-closing drive.

    Hard not to nominate the Bengals for Bloodiest Cornchute in the NFL.

  60. rajbais says: Jul 30, 2011 1:34 PM

    What? No swear words from Coach Zimm??

  61. dem5957 says: Aug 2, 2011 9:18 AM

    Making the old Bengal fan saying is true “Its not the head coach, coordinators, position coaches, or players; its the FRANCHISE that sucks!”

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