Comments on: Shanahan says he’ll stake his reputation on Grossman, Beck

By: theytukrjobs

theytukrjobs — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 21:10:17 +0000

Is it possible that Shanahan isn’t a good coach and never was one? He has a couple super bowls but could that just be do to personel guys, position coaches, coordinators, and good old fashioned luck?

I’m seriously starting to question whether or not the Skins should be happy to have him there.

Remember, Belichec was considered a bad coach for the Browns when they sucked. Then he wins some super bowls and how he’s an uber genious.

Coaching and quarterbacking are both over and under rated at the same time. I think that they are super important positions but that superbowl and postseason success usually defines who is actually good, which I think is kind of false.

For example, I feel that Roethlisburger, Brad Johnson, and Trent Dilfer are all QB’s with mediocre stats and ability that played great in superbowls they won. I also think some of the greatest QB’s to play never won a super bowl. Same with coaches. Childress is a damn idiot and he damn near got to one. Everyone thought that Green Bay’s management was morons until they won it and now their untouchable football geniuses, while somehow not winning the division for a few years.

Meh, what do you do. I’m just saying I think Shanahan has already lost his reputation in my books.

By: boyshole25

boyshole25 — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:24:33 +0000

stop talkin about elway, it took him 15 years to win a SB and that was solely because of TD and the zone blocking scheme shanny developed there( cut blocks are now illegal so i dont think itll happen again) there were some great coaches in Denver throughout the 80s and 90s and they couldnt produce a SB, let alone two.

By: boyshole25

boyshole25 — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:21:13 +0000

i hate to say it but i really do believe shanny even though he looks like the sneakiest little weasel ive ever seen (besides Snyder) and it cant possibly get any worse right?

By: footballfanman

footballfanman — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:31:45 +0000

Bill Romanowski “Mcnabb is either lazy or dumb.” That’s not an exact quote but the gist is correct. Shanny won a SB as OC for SF. I imagine his system was just too complicated for a dim bulb such as Mcnabb.

By: tygarcia

tygarcia — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:11:52 +0000

People just remember you win Super Bowls with great players!!!!!! The Mcnabb experiment did not work, let’s move on. Do we tend to forget that we were not one player away from making a run!!!!! We had alot of holes on the whole team. I really like the free agent pickups but I would like for us to address what are we going to do for right tackle!!!! This was not going to be an overnight fix give the guy a break he was inheriting a team from Jim Zorn. Need I say more.

By: revengeofthefilthymcnasty

revengeofthefilthymcnasty — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:27:41 +0000

Ummm…okay.

I got news for ya guys, we still need more help on the OFFENSIVE LINE. We need to resign Brown or find an upgrade, and I’m not so sure there is one out there. We’re still…20 mill under cap? And we’ve still got 25 roster spots open.

Stake your rep. with a decent O-LINE, Shanny.

By: aesmith777

aesmith777 — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 12:59:04 +0000

‘this is what you’re going to have to do to stay on our football team for a number of years. If you do that, I think you’ve got a chance to go to the Pro Bowl and do the things you’ve been doing throughout your career.’ It didn’t work out.”
AKA – Listen to my little boy kyle.

By: atthemurph

atthemurph — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 12:58:32 +0000

typicaleaglesfan says:
Jul 29, 2011 9:13 PM

I think Mikey Mike may be suffering from dimenssia.
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I guess you are a typical eagles fan……

By: dansnyder

dansnyder — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:39:26 +0000

First off, Elway never won any SB’s without Shanahan.

Second, Shanahan has THREE superbowl rings. He was the offensive coordinator for the 49ers when they had what was considered the greatest offensive season at the time(eclipsed by the 99 rams)and won a ring calling plays for the niners.

In fact his performance at coordinator over three season for the niners is what got him the job with the broncos, a team that never won a superbowl before he came.

Oh and lastly, I’m pretty sure Jimmy Johnson never won a SuperBowl without troy aikman and the rest of the cast. So far Belicheck has only won his three Superbowls as HC with Brady under center. Tony Dungy didn’t win till peyton manning.

What I’m getting at is it is absolutely stupid to say a coach won because of great players playing great. Bill Walsh won all his superbowls with 2 different QBs but they just BOTH happened to be Hall of Famers. Most coaches that DON’T win with elite QB’s win on defense. These arguments are stupid and gets really old reading.

By: CKL

CKL — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 07:07:16 +0000

footballfanman says:
Jul 29, 2011 10:26 PM
The guy made a playoff run with Jake Plummer. That makes him a good coach in my book.
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And it looked like he was making another one with Plummer in 06 when inexplicably with the team at 7-5, he yanked Plummer and inserted Cutler. BRILLIANT MOVE SHANNY. BPUT THE ROOKIE FROM A SMALL SCHOOL IN THERE WHE YOU STILL HAD A CHANCE AT THE PLAYOFFS.

How about when he brought in to Denver the EXPLANSION ERA BROWNS ENTIRE DLINE because he had their DLine coach???

I dislike McNabb and Haynesworth but a HC should NEVER EVER embarrass his players in the media…EVER. I do not care ONE IOTA what the player has done…it’s a GINORMOUS no-no. It’s not even just about that player, it’s about the message you are sending to your lockerroom when you do that. It’s disgusting, cowardly and the mark of a horrible leader.Players will not ever trust you or play for you after that and WHO COULD BLAME THEM????

He’s always been a megalomaniac screwball. He also can’t identify , evaluate or develop assistant coaches which is a major negative for a HC in my eyes. As a HC I find him to be a good…OC.

You Wash fans here seem like a good bunch and I feel for you. If it makes you feel any better, you will probably beat my Pats this season because BB and Brady together have never been on the “W” side vs. Shanny when Shanny has his first string QB. How pathetic is that???

By: jaypace

jaypace — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 05:53:26 +0000

When the bears went to the super bowl Rex passed for 3300 and 23 Tds. Let’s not act like that the worst season ever. He has been in this system. If the d is ok this team will surprise people. I’m not saying they will win 12 games but I don’t think they are going to be the worst team in the league.

By: madmike66

madmike66 — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 04:56:22 +0000

What an enormous d-bag Shanahan is for taking that shot at McNabb. Basically saying his system is perfect, it was McNabb who wouldn’t do the little things. Hey Shanny, McNabb was on pace to break the Skins passing yardage record for a single season, with a terrible group of receivers. Maybe if you hadn’t taken a top 10 defense to worst in the league and handed the offensive reins to Shanny Junior, or spent your entire pre-season trying to show up Albert Haynesworth McNabb could have even won a few more games for you. Enjoy this season Skins fans, you have another year or two of Shanny, and then another 30 or 40 years of more-of-the-same under Snyder to look forward to.

I can’t wait for the Vikes to absolutely crush the Skins this season…Shanny is going to look like a fool.

By: mathsimillion

mathsimillion — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 04:53:08 +0000

Maybe he’s referring to his reputation as a bad drafter.

By: jbcommonsense

jbcommonsense — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 04:31:23 +0000

Well, Shanny has seen Beck practice. He BETTER be right about him….

By: bobnelsonjr

bobnelsonjr — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 04:13:22 +0000

Shanahan swindled the stupid vikings out of 2 6th round picks for a player that was about to be cut.

It is a great deal.

By: rollerino1

rollerino1 — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 04:08:15 +0000

As a Skins fan, I was actually glad when ol’ Shanny got hired. Now he’s acting like the crazy uncle at the family cookout. If he just staked his rep on DEVELOPING John Beck into a QB, I would have given him the benefit of the doubt; throwing Rex Grossman into the mix? Have mercy.

By: lilsumo

lilsumo — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 03:50:33 +0000

Who else other than Gibbs has one multiple Super Bowls without a HOF caliber QB? The so-called “genius” Bill Belicheat didn’t win until he had Brady. They weren’t calling him a genius when he coached the Browns. …Or the pre-Brady Patriots led by Drew Bledsoe.

By: blackqbwhiterb

blackqbwhiterb — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 03:46:58 +0000

Yessssssssssssss

By: lukeinva

lukeinva — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 03:42:43 +0000

I joined just to say to those posters who are pointing out that yes, Shanny won 2 SB’s with HoF QB John Elway and then nothing else.

Well… Elway didn’t win SB’s with any other coach and he had a lot more tries.

By: lostsok

lostsok — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 03:40:58 +0000

Little news flash for Shanny: his reputation is on the line whether he “stakes” it or not. That is…what reputation he has left, which isn’t much of one.

By: dyehardskinzfan

dyehardskinzfan — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 03:39:18 +0000

@ wwwfella , everybody seems to forget that Elway made it to the SB with Dan Reeves but he didn’t WIN until he was coached by Shanny.

All real skins fans should just trust in the coach and his system and if Beck goes out there and stinks it up we all will be right, however what is Beck goes and leads this team to an 7-9 or 8-8 season? Nobody should expect Beck to lead this team to a winning record.

By: MVQB7

MVQB7 — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 03:26:25 +0000

The ‘Skins just got in the express lane on their way to drafting Andrew Luck. I would not let Beck or Grossman pitch on a church softball team let alone QB in the NFL.

By: norcaleagles

norcaleagles — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 03:13:41 +0000

I think Shannahan pissed his reputation down the toilet last season.

By: dudeareno81

dudeareno81 — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 03:10:17 +0000

The “he never won anything without Elway argument” is the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard. Go back and look at the Super Bowl history. How many coaches have ever won a super bowl with out a Great QB? Madden, Gibbs and Parcells won multiple super bowls without great qb’s. Then there are two or three one hit wonders. How many Super Bowls did Lombardi win without Starr. Or Belichick without Brady. 3 out of 4 super bowls are won by a hall of fame QB or future hall a fame QB.

By: sasquash20

sasquash20 — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 03:08:05 +0000

Say what you want about him with the skins, but he did win back to back bowls with the broncos. I agree hes overrated, but hes not awful. This is year 2 correct? It takes time when the owner screws everything to hell before he got there. McNabb has always been overrated, they tried and realized that. They had no line and a weak running game Donny never had a shot.

By: cincybert

cincybert — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 02:54:23 +0000

No need for the Redskins to waste money on a veteran QB…they will be drafting Andrew Luck next April.

By: gdeli

gdeli — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 02:54:19 +0000

you guys are ALL right, he is a dork. hope we are ok in mn.

By: willcoop

willcoop — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 02:52:25 +0000

Redskins are on the clock. Andrew Luck, your luck just ended. Guess where you’re playing next year!

By: pftequalsgreatjournalism

pftequalsgreatjournalism — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 02:51:50 +0000

He won two SB in Denver and one in SF as the OC…

It’s been nearly 15 years since his last SB win so I hardly think he has much a rep to stake…

Between the nepotism and way he handled McNabb, I’d say his rep is as a guy who is on the fast track to getting fired by Little Danny Snyder…

By: ratbastardshanahandjob

ratbastardshanahandjob — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 02:49:42 +0000

Whatever the Rat-Bastard is putting in his cheese can he pass it around…….