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	<title>Comments on: Kyle Orton trying to overcome &#8220;The Tebow Thing&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: jpburnett22</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1172408</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 22:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hey bronco nick, college numbers dont translate to the nfl as much as you think: heres a look at some &quot;amazing&quot; nfl qbs over the past few decades in their heisman seasons

matt leinhart- 28 tds 8 int 
troy smith- 30 tds 6 int
jason white-35 tds 9 ints
chris weinke- 33 tds 11 ints
danny weurfell- 33 tds 13 ints
charlie ward-27 tds 4 ints


among many others 

college numbers do not equal nfl success]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey bronco nick, college numbers dont translate to the nfl as much as you think: heres a look at some &#8220;amazing&#8221; nfl qbs over the past few decades in their heisman seasons</p>
<p>matt leinhart- 28 tds 8 int<br />
troy smith- 30 tds 6 int<br />
jason white-35 tds 9 ints<br />
chris weinke- 33 tds 11 ints<br />
danny weurfell- 33 tds 13 ints<br />
charlie ward-27 tds 4 ints</p>
<p>among many others </p>
<p>college numbers do not equal nfl success</p>
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		<title>By: qdog112</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 21:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[vonmillerglasses says: Aug 3, 2011 4:14 AM

For the love of God orton take your horribly mediocre talents to south beach and let tebow take over the nfl.
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I&#039;m trying not to laugh, because if you happen to be serious - why that is just, just sad. You leave me wondering is Tebow is switching to FB or TE or if there&#039;s an open glue container near you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vonmillerglasses says: Aug 3, 2011 4:14 AM</p>
<p>For the love of God orton take your horribly mediocre talents to south beach and let tebow take over the nfl.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
I&#8217;m trying not to laugh, because if you happen to be serious &#8211; why that is just, just sad. You leave me wondering is Tebow is switching to FB or TE or if there&#8217;s an open glue container near you.</p>
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		<title>By: vonmillerglasses</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1171324</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vonmillerglasses]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simply put Denver knows what they have in Orton, a mediocre QB who wont win any games for you him self. Fans are clamoring for Tebow because they are attracted to his potential.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply put Denver knows what they have in Orton, a mediocre QB who wont win any games for you him self. Fans are clamoring for Tebow because they are attracted to his potential.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelEdits</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1170181</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MichaelEdits]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Put em both in and use the A-11]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put em both in and use the A-11</p>
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		<title>By: vonmillerglasses</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1170161</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vonmillerglasses]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 08:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the love of God orton take your horribly mediocre talents to south beach and let tebow take over the nfl]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the love of God orton take your horribly mediocre talents to south beach and let tebow take over the nfl</p>
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		<title>By: broncos07</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1169948</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 04:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[we know what orton is capable of, we dont know what tebow capable of...  I say put in tebow, see what the broncos got.  As much as I hate to say it, broncos are doing anything this year anyway. Here is a thought broncos, the &quot;franchise&quot; qb is not yet on the roster.  Bring back Jake the snake Plummer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we know what orton is capable of, we dont know what tebow capable of&#8230;  I say put in tebow, see what the broncos got.  As much as I hate to say it, broncos are doing anything this year anyway. Here is a thought broncos, the &#8220;franchise&#8221; qb is not yet on the roster.  Bring back Jake the snake Plummer.</p>
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		<title>By: jjbadd</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 23:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All I&#039;m saying, is Orton clearly will never be elite, &amp; I think that is pretty much agreed on by mostly everyone that is posting on here. Im not sure if Tebow is, or will be an elite qb in the NFL. So since they know Orton isn&#039;t the answer, then take him out of the equation. They used their pick on Tebow, so what should they do, just get rid of him without finding out what he can do? Give him his chance &amp; get on with it. I believe Tebow will be a good player, call me crazy, but I feel he is a winner. In reality, with either QB, Orton or Tebow, they have about the same chance. Especially when we suffer through Denver&#039;s secondary this year! One of the biggest weaknesses that hasn&#039;t  been addressed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I&#8217;m saying, is Orton clearly will never be elite, &amp; I think that is pretty much agreed on by mostly everyone that is posting on here. Im not sure if Tebow is, or will be an elite qb in the NFL. So since they know Orton isn&#8217;t the answer, then take him out of the equation. They used their pick on Tebow, so what should they do, just get rid of him without finding out what he can do? Give him his chance &amp; get on with it. I believe Tebow will be a good player, call me crazy, but I feel he is a winner. In reality, with either QB, Orton or Tebow, they have about the same chance. Especially when we suffer through Denver&#8217;s secondary this year! One of the biggest weaknesses that hasn&#8217;t  been addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: BroncoNick</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1169198</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BroncoNick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 23:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Wilie
I appreciate you stance, but how can you judge a 2nd year QB in the first week of camp in a shortened off-season and a new system?
Orton is a perfect practice QB, maybe the best out there. But when it comes to game situations he can&#039;t come through. 
I posted his college stats to show that he can indeed throw... I just think that sometimes people think that he literally can&#039;t throw a football. He can, and he&#039;s good. 
I&#039;m not expecting Tebow to come out and be an All Pro his 1st season, but he&#039;s got to have a chance to start sooner or later. 
If Orton starts we are maybe at best an 8 or 9 win team.
With Tebow say because of his lack of experience we win 6 games... well at least he&#039;s getting in there and learning and maturing at the position. 
Let him play, and he won&#039;t let you down. He just doesn&#039;t do that. He will win, it&#039;s in his blood, it&#039;s what he lives for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wilie<br />
I appreciate you stance, but how can you judge a 2nd year QB in the first week of camp in a shortened off-season and a new system?<br />
Orton is a perfect practice QB, maybe the best out there. But when it comes to game situations he can&#8217;t come through.<br />
I posted his college stats to show that he can indeed throw&#8230; I just think that sometimes people think that he literally can&#8217;t throw a football. He can, and he&#8217;s good.<br />
I&#8217;m not expecting Tebow to come out and be an All Pro his 1st season, but he&#8217;s got to have a chance to start sooner or later.<br />
If Orton starts we are maybe at best an 8 or 9 win team.<br />
With Tebow say because of his lack of experience we win 6 games&#8230; well at least he&#8217;s getting in there and learning and maturing at the position.<br />
Let him play, and he won&#8217;t let you down. He just doesn&#8217;t do that. He will win, it&#8217;s in his blood, it&#8217;s what he lives for.</p>
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		<title>By: titsburgfeelers</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think kyle Orton is Screwing the broncos. He&#039;s gna leave next year any ways. He&#039;s not going to restructure for a trade. He is just pissing on the broncos he noes he&#039;s not the future in denver I see it as hate for tebow and the denver organization. So I hope the teamates who u say see him as the best for denver realize this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think kyle Orton is Screwing the broncos. He&#8217;s gna leave next year any ways. He&#8217;s not going to restructure for a trade. He is just pissing on the broncos he noes he&#8217;s not the future in denver I see it as hate for tebow and the denver organization. So I hope the teamates who u say see him as the best for denver realize this.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilie Beamon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wilie Beamon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry BroncoNick but Tebows getting his chance and hes blowing it.

Hes going up against bonafide NFL QB and hes blowing it.

Do you think that anyone at training camp for the broncos gives a damn what Tebow did in college ? How far do you think that any player at that camp will get trying to use what they did in college as a reason they should be a starter in the NFL ?

If you didnt know better you wouldnt even know that we played a season last year because the same problems Tebow had before the draft are the same ones he has right now Ive never heard of anyone practicing something 18 consecutive months and then not being any better at than when they started . 

Tin is probably two years away from challenging any QB not named Smith,Henne,Anderson.

You have no one to blame but mcdaniels because he shouldnt have been taken in the first rd to begin with and now Tebowners have taken over Mile high and basically talked him up all season that he was ready to play QB in the NFL buts its painfully obvious that hes not yet . 

 This doesnt mean he will never be a QB but people saying that Fox and Elway should flat out make a fool of themselves by playing someone they know is not ready is crazy . 

Tebow sits until after the presidential election and then we will see how far he go with 3 years of practice because obviously 1 1/2 aint enough .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry BroncoNick but Tebows getting his chance and hes blowing it.</p>
<p>Hes going up against bonafide NFL QB and hes blowing it.</p>
<p>Do you think that anyone at training camp for the broncos gives a damn what Tebow did in college ? How far do you think that any player at that camp will get trying to use what they did in college as a reason they should be a starter in the NFL ?</p>
<p>If you didnt know better you wouldnt even know that we played a season last year because the same problems Tebow had before the draft are the same ones he has right now Ive never heard of anyone practicing something 18 consecutive months and then not being any better at than when they started . </p>
<p>Tin is probably two years away from challenging any QB not named Smith,Henne,Anderson.</p>
<p>You have no one to blame but mcdaniels because he shouldnt have been taken in the first rd to begin with and now Tebowners have taken over Mile high and basically talked him up all season that he was ready to play QB in the NFL buts its painfully obvious that hes not yet . </p>
<p> This doesnt mean he will never be a QB but people saying that Fox and Elway should flat out make a fool of themselves by playing someone they know is not ready is crazy . </p>
<p>Tebow sits until after the presidential election and then we will see how far he go with 3 years of practice because obviously 1 1/2 aint enough .</p>
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		<title>By: BroncoNick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BroncoNick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stop saying the dude *can&#039;t* throw the ball… he can!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop saying the dude *can&#8217;t* throw the ball… he can!</p>
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		<title>By: BroncoNick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BroncoNick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@buckybadger
He threw for over 9,000 yards, 88 Td&#039;s, and 16 Int&#039;s in college. Is that the &quot;different&quot; type of QB you&#039;re talking about. 
Or is it the fact that he also AT THE SAME TIME broke rushing records and won 2 national championships and a Heisman? 
I&#039;m confused....
Is it because his senior year he completed 64.4% of his passes for 2746 yards, 30 Td&#039;s and only 4 Int&#039;s? In the SEC at that. 
Stop saying the dude can throw the ball... he can! 
GIVE HIM A CHANCE!!
If Denver never plays him and they get rid of him it could be the worst decision they&#039;ve ever made. 
He wins, plain and simple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@buckybadger<br />
He threw for over 9,000 yards, 88 Td&#8217;s, and 16 Int&#8217;s in college. Is that the &#8220;different&#8221; type of QB you&#8217;re talking about.<br />
Or is it the fact that he also AT THE SAME TIME broke rushing records and won 2 national championships and a Heisman?<br />
I&#8217;m confused&#8230;.<br />
Is it because his senior year he completed 64.4% of his passes for 2746 yards, 30 Td&#8217;s and only 4 Int&#8217;s? In the SEC at that.<br />
Stop saying the dude can throw the ball&#8230; he can!<br />
GIVE HIM A CHANCE!!<br />
If Denver never plays him and they get rid of him it could be the worst decision they&#8217;ve ever made.<br />
He wins, plain and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: acanniv</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[acanniv]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nope, I said every &quot;almost comeback&quot; (a term that you invented and I am going to start using as an advanced statistic in my new qb rating system) ends in a loss.  That&#039;s why it&#039;s almost, yo.  The Tennessee game was an actual comeback, because they won.  You see the difference there, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, I said every &#8220;almost comeback&#8221; (a term that you invented and I am going to start using as an advanced statistic in my new qb rating system) ends in a loss.  That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s almost, yo.  The Tennessee game was an actual comeback, because they won.  You see the difference there, right?</p>
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		<title>By: buckybadger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[buckybadger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For all those who say &quot;We need to find out what Tebow can do.&quot;

What are you going to find out about a guy who can&#039;t drop back and read a defense?  You expect him to learn some of the basic fundamentals of playing QB and perform well enough to show you his potential.  Sorry but that is impossible.  If you play Tebow now you will learn nothing about his potential because he isn&#039;t even good enough to show you that.  He needs to learn the QB position.  He didn&#039;t play this position in college.  He played a whole different type of QB.  Can he learn and become good through hard work?  Sure but you better give him time because right now he will just get embarrassed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all those who say &#8220;We need to find out what Tebow can do.&#8221;</p>
<p>What are you going to find out about a guy who can&#8217;t drop back and read a defense?  You expect him to learn some of the basic fundamentals of playing QB and perform well enough to show you his potential.  Sorry but that is impossible.  If you play Tebow now you will learn nothing about his potential because he isn&#8217;t even good enough to show you that.  He needs to learn the QB position.  He didn&#8217;t play this position in college.  He played a whole different type of QB.  Can he learn and become good through hard work?  Sure but you better give him time because right now he will just get embarrassed.</p>
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		<title>By: BroncoNick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BroncoNick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can’t expect him to learn more and grow more as a QB if you don’t play him in real games.

You can’t? See Rogers, Aaron. See Rivers, Phillip. See Schaub, Matt.

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Did you know these guys were going to be as great as they are before they stepped on the field??
You never know until you try. 

You can&#039;t expect a 2nd year pro to look better in the first week of training camp then a 7 year vet.
Oh and BTW he&#039;s played more than the 2 years in Denver. Not sure if you know he played in Chicago too. 

I just don&#039;t get why people like YOU aren&#039;t willing to give him that chance. Mr. Rivers, Rodgers, and Shaub all sat the bench behind their veteran players as well, but at some point they were given the opportunity to play and succeed. 

Rivers sat behind Brees. It&#039;s safe to say they are both elite, so how could that not be the same situation we have in Denver. I&#039;m not saying Orton is horrible, but I&#039;m not about to say Tebow is... especially since he hasn&#039;t had a real chance yet. He had 3 games last year and did pretty well for a horrible TEAM with no Coach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can’t expect him to learn more and grow more as a QB if you don’t play him in real games.</p>
<p>You can’t? See Rogers, Aaron. See Rivers, Phillip. See Schaub, Matt.</p>
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<p>Did you know these guys were going to be as great as they are before they stepped on the field??<br />
You never know until you try. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t expect a 2nd year pro to look better in the first week of training camp then a 7 year vet.<br />
Oh and BTW he&#8217;s played more than the 2 years in Denver. Not sure if you know he played in Chicago too. </p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t get why people like YOU aren&#8217;t willing to give him that chance. Mr. Rivers, Rodgers, and Shaub all sat the bench behind their veteran players as well, but at some point they were given the opportunity to play and succeed. </p>
<p>Rivers sat behind Brees. It&#8217;s safe to say they are both elite, so how could that not be the same situation we have in Denver. I&#8217;m not saying Orton is horrible, but I&#8217;m not about to say Tebow is&#8230; especially since he hasn&#8217;t had a real chance yet. He had 3 games last year and did pretty well for a horrible TEAM with no Coach.</p>
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		<title>By: tformation</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tformation]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re dreaming if you think the Broncos are going 8-8 this year. Any QB you like. No way.

Certainly not beating the Bears. And probably not Detroit or Buffalo either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re dreaming if you think the Broncos are going 8-8 this year. Any QB you like. No way.</p>
<p>Certainly not beating the Bears. And probably not Detroit or Buffalo either.</p>
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		<title>By: captainslapnuts</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1168126</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[accaniv, almost every comeback ends in a loss? Did the one against Tennessee in a loss?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>accaniv, almost every comeback ends in a loss? Did the one against Tennessee in a loss?</p>
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		<title>By: captainslapnuts</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1168118</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[captainslapnuts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kyle Orton has reached his potential and has shown what he’s all about.


Hasn&#039;t Orton had two career years in Denver? How has he reached his potential exactly?

Tebow has more potential and is a better worker/leader than Kyle Orton will ever be.

There&#039;s that potential word again.  Tebow also has the potential to flop.  What makes someone a better leader/worker? I think that&#039;s an insult not only to Orton, but to many NFL players out there.  If Tebow was such a great worker, then why hasn&#039;t he closed the gap? Leaders don&#039;t have to be rah rah guys and no leader I know was ever a 3rd stringer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle Orton has reached his potential and has shown what he’s all about.</p>
<p>Hasn&#8217;t Orton had two career years in Denver? How has he reached his potential exactly?</p>
<p>Tebow has more potential and is a better worker/leader than Kyle Orton will ever be.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s that potential word again.  Tebow also has the potential to flop.  What makes someone a better leader/worker? I think that&#8217;s an insult not only to Orton, but to many NFL players out there.  If Tebow was such a great worker, then why hasn&#8217;t he closed the gap? Leaders don&#8217;t have to be rah rah guys and no leader I know was ever a 3rd stringer.</p>
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		<title>By: captainslapnuts</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1168110</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[captainslapnuts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So tell me… what has Kyle Orton done to prove that he is better than Tim Tebow?


Wrong question.  What has Tebow done to prove that he is better than Orton? Orton has NOTHING to prove to Tebow.

You can’t expect him to learn more and grow more as a QB if you don’t play him in real games.

You can&#039;t? See Rogers, Aaron.  See Rivers, Phillip. See Schaub, Matt.

Three examples right there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So tell me… what has Kyle Orton done to prove that he is better than Tim Tebow?</p>
<p>Wrong question.  What has Tebow done to prove that he is better than Orton? Orton has NOTHING to prove to Tebow.</p>
<p>You can’t expect him to learn more and grow more as a QB if you don’t play him in real games.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t? See Rogers, Aaron.  See Rivers, Phillip. See Schaub, Matt.</p>
<p>Three examples right there.</p>
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		<title>By: BroncoNick</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1167994</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BroncoNick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 18:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If anyone really thinks that Tim Tebow, regardless if he’s the “future” or not, puts Denver in the best position to win over Kyle Orton, then you might as well admit that you’re a Tebow fan and renounce your Denver Broncos fan card.&quot;
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@Captainslapnuts
So because we don&#039;t like going 8-8 and 4-12, and we are aware that Tebow&#039;s ceiling could be much higher than Kyle Orton&#039;s that makes us a Tebow fan instead of a Broncos fan? 
I&#039;ve been a Broncos fan my whole life. Been through the ups and downs. 
I recall a great QB in Denver that struggled his first year and now is the King of the town.
If you REALLY think that Kyle Orton is the answer for Denver to get back winning superbowls then you are sadly mistaken. Kyle Orton has reached his potential and has shown what he&#039;s all about. 
He&#039;s all about choking in the game when it really matters. He&#039;s all about throwing for hundreds in a game and putting a whole 7 points on the board. 
Tebow has more potential and is a better worker/leader than Kyle Orton will ever be. 
So don&#039;t go around saying you are a better Denver Broncos fans than others just because you like a mediocre QB for your team. 
We have to see what Tebow can do, get rid of Orton. And I can guarantee you we will never say &quot;Oh we should have never gotten rid of that Orton guy... he was really something special.&quot; 
TEBOW TIME]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If anyone really thinks that Tim Tebow, regardless if he’s the “future” or not, puts Denver in the best position to win over Kyle Orton, then you might as well admit that you’re a Tebow fan and renounce your Denver Broncos fan card.&#8221;<br />
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<p>@Captainslapnuts<br />
So because we don&#8217;t like going 8-8 and 4-12, and we are aware that Tebow&#8217;s ceiling could be much higher than Kyle Orton&#8217;s that makes us a Tebow fan instead of a Broncos fan?<br />
I&#8217;ve been a Broncos fan my whole life. Been through the ups and downs.<br />
I recall a great QB in Denver that struggled his first year and now is the King of the town.<br />
If you REALLY think that Kyle Orton is the answer for Denver to get back winning superbowls then you are sadly mistaken. Kyle Orton has reached his potential and has shown what he&#8217;s all about.<br />
He&#8217;s all about choking in the game when it really matters. He&#8217;s all about throwing for hundreds in a game and putting a whole 7 points on the board.<br />
Tebow has more potential and is a better worker/leader than Kyle Orton will ever be.<br />
So don&#8217;t go around saying you are a better Denver Broncos fans than others just because you like a mediocre QB for your team.<br />
We have to see what Tebow can do, get rid of Orton. And I can guarantee you we will never say &#8220;Oh we should have never gotten rid of that Orton guy&#8230; he was really something special.&#8221;<br />
TEBOW TIME</p>
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		<title>By: acanniv</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1167993</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 18:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fact:  Every &quot;almost comeback&quot; ends in a loss.  I was at the Orton&#039;s awesome almost comeback against the Rams last year.  It was really exciting, and they had the ball with a chance to win at the end.  Orton could not cash in.

Kyle Orton is simply not the long term answer at QB for the Denver Broncos.  EFX knows that.  What they don&#039;t know (nor does anybody else, frankly) is whether or not Tim Tebow is the answer.  Part of me thinks that Timmy could use another season on the bench, and that Kyle should start because he definitely gives them the best chance to win.  However, another part of me thinks the Broncos aren&#039;t going to be very good this year, regardless of who plays QB, so might as well get Tebow out there and see what he can do so as to make the decision easier for next year (when Orton certainly will not be here).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fact:  Every &#8220;almost comeback&#8221; ends in a loss.  I was at the Orton&#8217;s awesome almost comeback against the Rams last year.  It was really exciting, and they had the ball with a chance to win at the end.  Orton could not cash in.</p>
<p>Kyle Orton is simply not the long term answer at QB for the Denver Broncos.  EFX knows that.  What they don&#8217;t know (nor does anybody else, frankly) is whether or not Tim Tebow is the answer.  Part of me thinks that Timmy could use another season on the bench, and that Kyle should start because he definitely gives them the best chance to win.  However, another part of me thinks the Broncos aren&#8217;t going to be very good this year, regardless of who plays QB, so might as well get Tebow out there and see what he can do so as to make the decision easier for next year (when Orton certainly will not be here).</p>
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		<title>By: BroncoNick</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1167961</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BroncoNick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 18:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@captainslapnuts
So you&#039;re saying when you&#039;re down near the goal line that you would rather have Kyle Orton a 1 deimensional QB over Tim Tebow who can both run and pass. Trust me I&#039;ve seen the effects of having a mobile QB that roll out on a PA boot and confuse defenses. How do you think we got to the 2005 AFC Championship with Jake Plummer. 
I know that Denver is going to run the ball better under coach Fox, and the defense is improving already. But as for me I would love to have a QB that is a dual threat against defenses. One more thing to look out for. 
So tell me... what has Kyle Orton done to prove that he is better than Tim Tebow? 
I assume you&#039;re one of the very many that aren&#039;t willing to give Tebow a shot to excel in this league. You can&#039;t expect him to learn more and grow more as a QB if you don&#039;t play him in real games. 
Plain and simple it&#039;s TEBOW TIME. 
Thanks Captainslapshisnuts]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@captainslapnuts<br />
So you&#8217;re saying when you&#8217;re down near the goal line that you would rather have Kyle Orton a 1 deimensional QB over Tim Tebow who can both run and pass. Trust me I&#8217;ve seen the effects of having a mobile QB that roll out on a PA boot and confuse defenses. How do you think we got to the 2005 AFC Championship with Jake Plummer.<br />
I know that Denver is going to run the ball better under coach Fox, and the defense is improving already. But as for me I would love to have a QB that is a dual threat against defenses. One more thing to look out for.<br />
So tell me&#8230; what has Kyle Orton done to prove that he is better than Tim Tebow?<br />
I assume you&#8217;re one of the very many that aren&#8217;t willing to give Tebow a shot to excel in this league. You can&#8217;t expect him to learn more and grow more as a QB if you don&#8217;t play him in real games.<br />
Plain and simple it&#8217;s TEBOW TIME.<br />
Thanks Captainslapshisnuts</p>
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		<title>By: captainslapnuts</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1167936</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[captainslapnuts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mmmpieyummy, really? Look at their soft schedule.  They play the AFC East and the the NFC North and the other last place teams in the AFC.  Cincy, Tennessee, Buffalo, Miami, Minnesota, Detroit, and Chicago are wins.  Split the division and that makes 10 right out of the gate.  Even if they lose one to one of the North teams or don&#039;t split one of the division winners, that&#039;s still a winning season.  

I also have them beating the Jets, as they almost did last year if it weren&#039;t for a bogus PI call.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mmmpieyummy, really? Look at their soft schedule.  They play the AFC East and the the NFC North and the other last place teams in the AFC.  Cincy, Tennessee, Buffalo, Miami, Minnesota, Detroit, and Chicago are wins.  Split the division and that makes 10 right out of the gate.  Even if they lose one to one of the North teams or don&#8217;t split one of the division winners, that&#8217;s still a winning season.  </p>
<p>I also have them beating the Jets, as they almost did last year if it weren&#8217;t for a bogus PI call.</p>
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		<title>By: captainslapnuts</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1167901</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[captainslapnuts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How many wins does potential get? And again, the fact that you&#039;d sacrifice this season to draft another QB who has potential is ridiculous. 

I think you, as a fan jjbadd, will take Orton not being a franchise QB if he is the QB for the Broncos in the playoffs.  

This notion that Tebow is the only person alive who has heart is insulting to 99% of the football players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many wins does potential get? And again, the fact that you&#8217;d sacrifice this season to draft another QB who has potential is ridiculous. </p>
<p>I think you, as a fan jjbadd, will take Orton not being a franchise QB if he is the QB for the Broncos in the playoffs.  </p>
<p>This notion that Tebow is the only person alive who has heart is insulting to 99% of the football players.</p>
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		<title>By: mmmpieyummy</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1167896</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mmmpieyummy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey captainslapnuts...you are really just plain f&#039;ing nuts if you think the Donks can even come close to sniffing the playoffs...with or without Orton.

I just love how some Donkey fans would rather smoke tree than actually know a thing or two about the game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey captainslapnuts&#8230;you are really just plain f&#8217;ing nuts if you think the Donks can even come close to sniffing the playoffs&#8230;with or without Orton.</p>
<p>I just love how some Donkey fans would rather smoke tree than actually know a thing or two about the game.</p>
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		<title>By: jjbadd</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1167890</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jjbadd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It makes perfect sense to start Tebow. I for one, believe he has potential, &amp; I am trying to understand what he has or hasn&#039;t done, to make everyone think he is a bust..Start him, if in fact he is a bust, scoop up the QB from the school John Elway attended in next years draft. Now, Ive been a Bronco fan since I watched &quot;The Drive&quot; on a 12 inch black&amp;white TV so many years ago. I truly think there are many more problems than just the QB situation. But since its what everyone is talking about I&#039;ll give my opinion that Orton is ok but will never be anyones franchise qb, we KNOW that, so give Tebow a chance to prove himself, so everyone will KNOW for sure. I think he will surprise alot of people, &amp; one thing is certain, he has heart, &amp; sometimes thats enough...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes perfect sense to start Tebow. I for one, believe he has potential, &amp; I am trying to understand what he has or hasn&#8217;t done, to make everyone think he is a bust..Start him, if in fact he is a bust, scoop up the QB from the school John Elway attended in next years draft. Now, Ive been a Bronco fan since I watched &#8220;The Drive&#8221; on a 12 inch black&amp;white TV so many years ago. I truly think there are many more problems than just the QB situation. But since its what everyone is talking about I&#8217;ll give my opinion that Orton is ok but will never be anyones franchise qb, we KNOW that, so give Tebow a chance to prove himself, so everyone will KNOW for sure. I think he will surprise alot of people, &amp; one thing is certain, he has heart, &amp; sometimes thats enough&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: melonvoxveritas</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1167863</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[melonvoxveritas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[God&#039;s Word &gt; Neckbeard]]></description>
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		<title>By: captainslapnuts</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1167840</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[captainslapnuts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, paulymugs, with a weak schedule this year, Denver has a good shot to get to the playoffs.  Bal/Pit and NYJ/NE have to beat each other up to where if Denver plays it right, they can pick up the scraps.  

They&#039;ll finish anywhere between 8-8 and 11-5.

I just love how Bronco fans would rather just eat this season to hope that a QB like Luck pans out than try and have a winning season.

Logic falls flat in Denver I guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, paulymugs, with a weak schedule this year, Denver has a good shot to get to the playoffs.  Bal/Pit and NYJ/NE have to beat each other up to where if Denver plays it right, they can pick up the scraps.  </p>
<p>They&#8217;ll finish anywhere between 8-8 and 11-5.</p>
<p>I just love how Bronco fans would rather just eat this season to hope that a QB like Luck pans out than try and have a winning season.</p>
<p>Logic falls flat in Denver I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: captainslapnuts</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[captainslapnuts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Almost comebacks mean, tool, that when you&#039;re winning based on a comeback, and then you lose sitting on the sidelines, or when you lead your team back to tie the game, only to lose while, again, sitting on the sidelines.

Almost comebacks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost comebacks mean, tool, that when you&#8217;re winning based on a comeback, and then you lose sitting on the sidelines, or when you lead your team back to tie the game, only to lose while, again, sitting on the sidelines.</p>
<p>Almost comebacks.</p>
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		<title>By: captainslapnuts</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/#comment-1167806</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[captainslapnuts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spencer, Orton&#039;s actually finished two full seasons.  2008 and 2009.  A real Bronco fan would know that.

Check your facts first, Tebow drone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spencer, Orton&#8217;s actually finished two full seasons.  2008 and 2009.  A real Bronco fan would know that.</p>
<p>Check your facts first, Tebow drone.</p>
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