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As of Tuesday, seven teams were over the cap

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We shared with you on Tuesday a list of the teams with more than $20 million in cap space.  And we mentioned within the past hour or so that the Eagles still have some breathing room.

Now, it’s time to look at the teams that had some work to do, as of Tuesday, to get under the spending limit.

Per a source with knowledge of the cap numbers, here are the seven teams that were in the red:  Raiders ($17.3 million), Steelers ($11.5 million), Texans ($8.5 million), Vikings ($5.6 million), Lions ($5 million), Cowboys ($3.7 million), and Panthers ($939,000).

The highest-paid 51 players on each team must be under the cap by the start of the 2011 League Year.  It was expected to start Thursday with the ratification of the new CBA.  As Steelers safety Ryan Clark tells it, that may not happen.

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  1. snowpea84 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:29 PM

    The list of teams over the cap is always pertty funny. THe majority of them you jsut wonder, “What the hell did they spend it on? Clearly not on good players.”…building the team through Free Agency…

  2. phillyfan4ever says: Aug 3, 2011 2:30 PM

    How are the cowboys OVER the cap? They didn’t sign anyone and released Roy and Marion. They suckkkk haha

  3. xli2006 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:31 PM

    How can the Raiders & Lions be that much over the cap and annually terrible?

  4. dawgpound3 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:31 PM

    Isn’t it really ironic that Steelers are over the cap, and probably why is because Ryan Clark is probably one of the reasons why they’re over the cap…LOL

  5. southcakpanther says: Aug 3, 2011 2:31 PM

    Time to extend Kalil’s contract and get rid of that franchise tag. That should get us under the cap.

  6. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Aug 3, 2011 2:31 PM

    The players got pretty much everything they wanted and now they don’t want Goodell to have any disciplinary power. Get over it you cry babies.

  7. wyldsoul says: Aug 3, 2011 2:32 PM

    Who on the raiders is taking up all that cap space?

  8. steelcity09 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:34 PM

    Hmmmmmm…….looks like the Panthers shelled out too much free money this past month and someone had a broken calculator!

  9. vikesorgtfo says: Aug 3, 2011 2:34 PM

    I believe the numbers on the Vikings you have are pre-McKinnie being cut. They should be right at cap or within a few 100,000

  10. stevo8drum says: Aug 3, 2011 2:35 PM

    Lets hope one of these overspenders drop a stud MLB so he can sign with my Eagles!

  11. steel6times says: Aug 3, 2011 2:36 PM

    We are only over the cap because our talent far exceeds any other. That’s a fact.

  12. britishraven says: Aug 3, 2011 2:36 PM

    DHB must be eating up some space

  13. scutzi128 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:36 PM

    wow raiders are terrible, over 17 million over and they lost nnamdi and miller

  14. capnhowdy says: Aug 3, 2011 2:36 PM

    xli2006 says:
    Aug 3, 2011 2:31 PM
    How can the Raiders & Lions be that much over the cap and annually terrible?

    —————————-

    Because they have to pay so many high 1st round draft picks they’ve accumulated over the years…

  15. mmmpieyummy says: Aug 3, 2011 2:36 PM

    Raiders are over the cap every year and Al always finds a way. Nothing to worry about here…please move along haters.

  16. Robert Chandler says: Aug 3, 2011 2:37 PM

    I think this is incorrect as far as the Vikings. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that after dumping McKinnie, they were close to even. Anyone know for sure? Regardless, they need to drop Berrian to free up more room on payroll.

  17. relly142 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:37 PM

    Hilarious…the eagles are STILL UNDER the cap, but yet the Cowboys and other are over…so who is trying to buy a super bowl? The Eagles or the teams that irresponsibily spent when there wasnt a cap last year?

    The eagles looked ahead and knew this was coming…all you can do is tip your hat to the FO.

  18. jpmelon says: Aug 3, 2011 2:37 PM

    Simple….a player who took $5 million to play for the Lions would have taken $4 to play for the Patriots.

  19. timtheenchanter1 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:38 PM

    I wondered how the Steelers were resigning guys like Taylor and Colon. Time to bring out the hatchet!

    When you say “over the cap” does that include the $3m exception that can be borrowed from future years, or does that exception bring these teams a little closer?

  20. andrejohnsonforpresident says: Aug 3, 2011 2:38 PM

    Texans should trade Mario Williams and sign tambi hali, he’s proven at olb anyways.

  21. zinn22 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:41 PM

    twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Aug 3, 2011 2:31 PM

    The players got pretty much everything they wanted and now they don’t want Goodell to have any disciplinary power. Get over it you cry babies.

    ————————————————————

    The players did not get what they wanted. They did not start the lockout it was the owners who were responsible for the lockout.

    The players made the offers an offer of 50% of revenues back in March of this year. The owners called the offer ridiculous and walked out. The owners in July essentially accepted that offer taking 48% of revenues. This whole lockout could have been avoided if the owners had negotiated in good faith and taken the players original offer back in March.

    This whole lockout was about the owners trying to squeeze a few more dollars out of the players and about getting rid of the revenue haring agreement from the last CBA. This lockout had nothing to do with the players. it was all about the greed of a few big owners like Richardson and Jones wanting to break the players. Unfortunately for them they had no idea that the players were smart enough to buy lockout insurance paying them a salary this year if the lockout continued.

  22. southbeachtalent says: Aug 3, 2011 2:42 PM

    JaMarcuss???

  23. ndgoose says: Aug 3, 2011 2:43 PM

    WOW! And one of them wasn’t the Redskins, got to love that.

  24. 3octaveFart says: Aug 3, 2011 2:43 PM

    twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Aug 3, 2011 2:31 PM

    “The players got pretty much everything they wanted and now they don’t want Goodell to have any disciplinary power.”

    Making it up as you go along?
    That’s not what they’re saying at all.

    Posted elsewhere:
    “Clark said the players want either an impartial committee involved, or to have specific language outlining penalties for personal conduct violations.”

  25. bhindenemylines says: Aug 3, 2011 2:43 PM

    phillyfan4ever says:
    Aug 3, 2011 2:30 PM
    How are the cowboys OVER the cap? They didn’t sign anyone and released Roy and Marion. They suckkkk haha

    ————————-

    And yet they still have 5 MORE SUPERBOWL RINGS THAN THE EEGLES.

    Good luck with that Cream Team.

    But I can’t fault you. It Dec 26th 1951 was the last time my team won anything I’d probably act like an idiot too.

  26. mightymightylafootball says: Aug 3, 2011 2:43 PM

    The Panthers are over the cap? THE PANTHERS!?!?!

    Holy Christ on a popcicle stick. I mean, I know it aint by much, but still…

  27. nfl25 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:43 PM

    salad cowboys suck, thats right melon

  28. esg6string says: Aug 3, 2011 2:44 PM

    And the Eagles are the ones being accused of attempting to “buy a championship” LMAO

  29. sj39 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:44 PM

    Usually cap problems are left over from back-loaded deals and all kinds of “trying to win right now nonsense”, niners and boys suffer from it to this day (and I mean that goes back to their dynasty years). Eagles and Pats are flirting with future trouble right now.

  30. steelchuck123 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:44 PM

    Hmmm… I don’t see the Redskins listed. How in god’s green earth are they NOT at the top of the list of teams OVER the cap????? I believe that Dan Snyder is Roger Goodall’s long lost cousin or something, or they have the ABSOLUTE BEST CAPOLOGIST…EVER!!! Over the past 5 years they have spent more $$$ than any team… and yet they have cap room… amazing… Every player they signed was for 5 years – $25 Million… and don’t even mention the Haynesworth signing…

  31. svcfilmguy says: Aug 3, 2011 2:44 PM

    Isn’t it really ironic that Steelers are over the cap, and probably why is because Ryan Clark is probably one of the reasons why they’re over the cap…LOL

    and probably why is because Ryan Clark is probably one of…

    Did you actually type that? Wow. I knew Cleveland was a godforsaken craphole, but I had no idea basic grammar escaped their citizens’ competence. How very sad.

  32. shanehockey28 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:45 PM

    Hey Phillyfan Cowboys signed a lot of their own and absolutely had to let go Barber and Williams. You will be eating those “sucking” words when the Boys take the Eagles twice this year bank on it.

  33. jcd213 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:45 PM

    Jamarcus Russell flops don’t help the salary cap or wins column.

  34. spunjmunke says: Aug 3, 2011 2:46 PM

    What’s worse. Being a Browns fan, who’s team sucks, has a ton of money and isn’t signing ANYONE…or being a Raiders fan, who’s team sucks, has no money and needs to cut people in order to comply with the cap.

    It’s a toss up.

  35. themanchine says: Aug 3, 2011 2:46 PM

    wyldsoul:

    Richard Seymour is the highest paid defender EVER

  36. ilovemypackers says: Aug 3, 2011 2:47 PM

    Wow, that’s pretty pathetic. Just goes to show throwing money at a problem isn’t going to fix anything. Draft and develop fellas, draft and develop.

  37. eaglesfootballfan says: Aug 3, 2011 2:47 PM

    All Cowboys fans are haters. Everyone 1 of them. The Eagles are going to blow the Cowboys out both times this year. Remeber when we put 59 on the redskins. That’s what we are going to do against the Dallas Cowgirls.

  38. hendawg21 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:48 PM

    Maybe Ryan said what he said to buy time for the Steelers to get under the cap before the league year starts.

    I don’t see the problem with Goodell having disciplinary power, I mean if you have that many knuckleheads in the union then maybe you have them go through training on how to be productive citizens just because you make big money doesn’t mean you should be able to act and or do whatever you want and not be held accountable.

  39. The Shoeman says: Aug 3, 2011 2:49 PM

    How are the cowboys OVER the cap? They didn’t sign anyone and released Roy and Marion.

    ***********************************************************

    The Cowboy’s GM
    ( what was his name again ?? ..anyway)

    He MORTGAGED the WHOLE-FUTURE for 1 playoff win .

    what a “friggin moro*” … oops I mean genius.

    How ’bout them Cowboys !!

  40. scutzi128 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:50 PM

    Id bet my house the cowboys don’t beat the eagles twice this year. They will be lucky to win once. They should have been swept last year (they barley won against the eagles second string) and they are essentially they same team this year aka overrated.

  41. thatdamnsasquatch says: Aug 3, 2011 2:50 PM

    Does that mean there are more cuts coming?

  42. o0omorriso0o says: Aug 3, 2011 2:51 PM

    Hey shanehockey28 it is sweet that you stand by your team so much. But if you think the Cowboys have even a small chance of beating the Eagles this year your insane. The Cowboys were beat by a weaker Eagles team last year. Heck the Cowboys almost lost to the Eagles 3rd stringers in week 17 (won by 1 point in last 2 min…lol)

  43. touchdownroddywhite says: Aug 3, 2011 2:51 PM

    Anybody else wonder if this recent “delay” in the CBA ratification isn’t a sham to avoid starting the league year for this very reason?

  44. sloraider says: Aug 3, 2011 2:52 PM

    DHB (Drops Hella Balls) is scheduled to make $7 Million this year.

    There is no way Al Davis was going to pay a Pro Bowl Tight End in Zach Miller the same amount as a future Hall of Fame Receiver like DHB.

    And by Future Hall of Famer, I mean someone they can actually get to practice and is not sitting out from fatigue or a toothache.

  45. dutchrudder says: Aug 3, 2011 2:52 PM

    It’s so aggravating that none of the major sports writing associations can put out a full list of all 32 teams and their cap situations by the numbers. Not X number over/under the cap, but the actual total cap in use for 2011. Just put the information out there and if it’s wrong, fix it and update us!

  46. adamjt13 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:53 PM

    JaMarcus Russell doesn’t count a penny against the Raiders’ cap.

    Many of the teams “over the cap” built a lot of contracts with high cap numbers in 2010 and 2011 to take advantage of the uncapped year in 2010 and the possibility of another uncapped year in 2011. All they have to do is turn a few salaries (all but the minimum amount) and/or roster bonuses into “signing” bonuses and prorate the cap hits, and they can gain millions of dollars in cap room. They’re just waiting for the day that the League Year starts so that those players can continue to practice instead of having to sit out until the League Year begins, like all of the free agents who can’t practice yet.

  47. blahblahblah333 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:54 PM

    A browns fan making comments about other teams issues. If you fools would only spend as much time concentrating on why your team consistantly sucks year after year, things up in browntown may get better.

  48. irishdawg42 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:54 PM

    Are these numbers with the exceptions?

    With the exceptions teams can somewhere between $4-7M over the cap, depending on who is explaining the exceptions…

    So most of these teams are compliant/close if they are counted in..

  49. redwinglion says: Aug 3, 2011 2:56 PM

    For those of you asking how teams like Detroit and Oakland can be over the cap limit and not great, think about it:

    High draft picks under the old, horrific rookie contracts meant much more money going to guys who may or may not help the team. If you draft poorly (like Al Davis, Matt Millen, etc), then you end up in cap hell with nothing to show for it.

  50. mj5150 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:57 PM

    how are the Vikings still over the cap? They just dropped McKinney and his $5.6 million salary and Berrian is supposed to only get about $2 million versus the $6.5 million he was scheduled to make this year

  51. sharkcatcher says: Aug 3, 2011 2:57 PM

    Who on the Raiders? How about we start with fat ass Jamarcus Russell…?

  52. dumbaseinstien says: Aug 3, 2011 2:57 PM

    I’m not very confident the writer even knows…given his history of printing whatever generated web traffic. His data could be 2 weeks old & he would still print it…

  53. bhindenemylines says: Aug 3, 2011 2:58 PM

    eaglesfootballfan says:
    Aug 3, 2011 2:47 PM
    All Cowboys fans are haters. Everyone 1 of them. The Eagles are going to blow the Cowboys out both times this year. Remeber when

    ————————————-

    Isn’t it funny how the converation never turns nasty until an eagle fan opens their mouth?

    How many “Cowboys suck” comments do you see coming from eagles fans whenever there is an article posted about Dallas???

    I have friends who root for the Skins, Giants, Eagles, Ravens, Steelers, etc. We can all have a muture, adult conversation about all the teams. But when a Philly fan like you jums in and says “Cowboys Suck”, that shows who the haters are.

  54. howmnyplayoffwinsugot says: Aug 3, 2011 2:59 PM

    cowboy and pitt fans are so Delusional

  55. alexnexus says: Aug 3, 2011 3:01 PM

    The fact of the matter is that the Eagles do have a real ‘Dream Team’ on their hands: their Front Office Team!

    Go Eagles!

    … who is Jerry Jones?

  56. theoriginalcaptainmarvel says: Aug 3, 2011 3:02 PM

    I agree with and echo the sentiments of all Vikings fans. Cutting McKinney gets us to even on the cap. Now cut Berrian and his $6.25M, and sign a decent deep threat like Floyd. Do that, and it’s Super Bowl!!!

  57. nothingman20 says: Aug 3, 2011 3:02 PM

    “mmmpieyummy says:
    Aug 3, 2011 2:36 PM
    Raiders are over the cap every year and Al always finds a way. Nothing to worry about here…please move along haters.”

    Finds a way to…what? Finish under 8-8? Make a terrible free agent signing? Draft a guy with speed and no other talent?

  58. buckbrennan says: Aug 3, 2011 3:03 PM

    And yet they still have 5 MORE SUPERBOWL RINGS THAN THE EEGLES.

    Good luck with that Cream Team.

    But I can’t fault you. It Dec 26th 1951 was the last time my team won anything I’d probably act like an idiot too.
    _____________________________

    you should also note that the cowboys havent been successful since free agency and a salary cap were first started and now no team can “buy” a superbowl again…but thats ok..live on past glory

  59. brianinnj24 says: Aug 3, 2011 3:04 PM

    The Steelers are only over the cap because of that stupid Aug. 4th rule because 6 players have offered the team to restructure their contracts to help the cap situation. The news came out monday but they werent gonna announce it till tomorrow because if they had those six players would have to sit out all week till Aug 4th.

  60. dumbaseinstien says: Aug 3, 2011 3:05 PM

    Anyone else notice you can’t use the writers name in the comment? It won’t display if you type it. They’re that scared of what someone might post?!! How lame…

  61. chadinkc30 says: Aug 3, 2011 3:06 PM

    Whoever comes up with these cap figures are idiots! Dead money doesn’t count!

  62. nfl25 says: Aug 3, 2011 3:06 PM

    behind enemy, you mean like this?

    And yet they still have 5 MORE SUPERBOWL RINGS THAN THE EEGLES.

    Good luck with that Cream Team.

    But I can’t fault you. It Dec 26th 1951 was the last time my team won anything I’d probably act like an idiot too.

    ————————————————-

  63. chobes68 says: Aug 3, 2011 3:06 PM

    “bhindenemylines says:
    Aug 3, 2011 2:58 PM
    eaglesfootballfan says:
    Aug 3, 2011 2:47 PM
    All Cowboys fans are haters. Everyone 1 of them. The Eagles are going to blow the Cowboys out both times this year. Remeber when

    ————————————-

    Isn’t it funny how the converation never turns nasty until an eagle fan opens their mouth?

    How many “Cowboys suck” comments do you see coming from eagles fans whenever there is an article posted about Dallas???

    I have friends who root for the Skins, Giants, Eagles, Ravens, Steelers, etc. We can all have a muture, adult conversation about all the teams. But when a Philly fan like you jums in and says “Cowboys Suck”, that shows who the haters are.”

    ——————-

    Image if they won something?

    If they had the recent success of the Steelers, Patriots, or heck, even the Saints or Packers.

    Every year its like an annoying Charlie Brown, if Charlie Brown was a moron who talked smack, trying to kick that ball, and always come up short.

  64. catholic9ersfan says: Aug 3, 2011 3:07 PM

    @sj39

    Usually cap problems are left over from back-loaded deals and all kinds of “trying to win right now nonsense”, niners and boys suffer from it to this day (and I mean that goes back to their dynasty years). Eagles and Pats are flirting with future trouble right now.
    ———————————————————————————-
    Really, niners suffer from this? When is the last time niners had cap problems?

  65. vikingdoode says: Aug 3, 2011 3:08 PM

    Bye Berrian

  66. dclogicatlast says: Aug 3, 2011 3:11 PM

    @bhindenemylines

    Dude, cowboys fans are the same way.

  67. The Shoeman says: Aug 3, 2011 3:13 PM

    And yet they still have 5 MORE SUPERBOWL RINGS THAN THE EEGLES.

    *******************************************************************

    Another HISTORY lesson ??

    anything in the past 20 years you want to discuss ?

    but,,the Eagles are ALWAYS relevant in January . . . the Cowboys are usually cleaning their lockers.

  68. radrntn says: Aug 3, 2011 3:13 PM

    broncos and niners are the only teams that ever cheated on the cap. i am sure everybody will be under

  69. albigverg says: Aug 3, 2011 3:13 PM

    @xli2006 and capnhowdy
    For You idiot uneducated football fans… How are the Raiders sooo horrible if they went 8-8 LAST SEASON????? and swept the division!!!! Atleast 15 teams were worse than the Raiders… you guys need to stop drinking the Haterade and do your homework.. its funny how when Raiders have good players they get knocked but once they are free agents and sign elsewhere they are Great!!!

  70. lionsrawr says: Aug 3, 2011 3:14 PM

    For those of you asking how teams like Detroit and Oakland can be over the cap limit and not great, think about it:

    High draft picks under the old, horrific rookie contracts meant much more money going to guys who may or may not help the team. If you draft poorly (like Al Davis, Matt Millen, etc), then you end up in cap hell with nothing to show for it.

    ———

    with the lions, not exactly true. how many of millen’s guys are on the team, were on the team last year? most of them are long gone, so their cap numbers aren’t hurting us now, they would’ve been accelerated in the league year we cut the players.

  71. brianinnj24 says: Aug 3, 2011 3:15 PM

    I was just reading what Ryan Clark was saying about the CBA needing to be ratified and I bet all of those happy Eagles fans might get a little nervous if the CBA is held up and all their fantasy picks they just signed can’t join the team tomorrow.

    All free agents that signed new contracts can’t step on the practice field until the CBA is ratified. Could you imagine if it took until August 20 something for that to happen.

  72. capnhowdy says: Aug 3, 2011 3:17 PM

    eaglesfootballfan says:
    Aug 3, 2011 2:47 PM
    All Cowboys fans are haters. Everyone 1 of them. The Eagles are going to blow the Cowboys out both times this year. Remeber when we put 59 on the redskins. That’s what we are going to do against the Dallas Cowgirls.

    ——————–

    Man, I’m an Eagles fan and even I gave you a thumbs down for that comment. They’ve made good acquisitions and I’m as excited as anybody, but can we save the trash talk for when they’ve actually done something on the field?

  73. amusingponderings says: Aug 3, 2011 3:20 PM

    In other news:

    Cincinnati was not one of them.

  74. fcmlefty1 says: Aug 3, 2011 3:23 PM

    The Vikings will get fixed very quickly once Greenway or Peterson signs a long term contract. Greenway is probably the likely candidate.

  75. wizahdry says: Aug 3, 2011 3:25 PM

    I just can’t see how the Raiders are over the cap. Nhamdi is off the books and Z Miller and I see Camobell is making 4.5 this year. Who is getting paid besides Seymour?

  76. urallidiots says: Aug 3, 2011 3:29 PM

    o0omorriso0o says:
    Aug 3, 2011 2:51 PM
    Hey shanehockey28 it is sweet that you stand by your team so much. But if you think the Cowboys have even a small chance of beating the Eagles this year your insane. The Cowboys were beat by a weaker Eagles team last year. Heck the Cowboys almost lost to the Eagles 3rd stringers in week 17 (won by 1 point in last 2 min…lol)
    ———-
    When are Eagles fans going to admit that their day-one starter played that final game while a 6-10 Dallas team had their 3rd-string QB playing, a back-up guard, Dez Bryant out, two back-up DE, etc. Plus, it’s amazing how it used to be 2nd stringers played for the Eagles and now it’s 3rd stringers?

  77. andyreidisfat says: Aug 3, 2011 3:30 PM

    I Guess the all those teams are “buying a title” right ???? I mean obviously they have spent so much we should probably start calling the Lions a “dream team”.

    Perhaps now that we all see this and remember this is just the teams OVER the cap they’re probably more teams who just have less space than the Eagles. So maybe instead of “buying a title” the Eagles are signing the best players at positions of whole keeping within the rules of the NFL salary cap.

    But i guess that doesn’t create hits or ratings like “buying a championship” or “Dream Team”

    Some of these teams got into trouble last season when the year was uncapped maybe signing that extra guy to help them out and now they are paying for it. I also think the Texans, lions , and Raiders are all on this list because they have been so bad that they each have 3-4 high picks they are paying way to much money to. I haven’t looked but i bet Mario Williams contract is crazy at this point and how much of J. Russells salary is dead money on this cap year for the Raiders, It might be like 10-12 mil.

  78. malonezo says: Aug 3, 2011 3:31 PM

    Someone remind me again how the eagles are trying to buy their championship?

  79. The Shoeman says: Aug 3, 2011 3:33 PM

    wizahdry says: Aug 3, 2011 3:25 PM

    I just can’t see how the Raiders are over the cap
    Nhamdi is off the books and Z Miller and I see Camobell is making 4.5 this year.

    **********************************************************************
    $26 million in “dead” money for players whose contracts were voided to make them free agents this year

    those signing bonuses..spread out over years.

  80. jsrdc says: Aug 3, 2011 3:36 PM

    phillyfanforever,

    Glad to see you are so “astute” on the matter of the Cowboys and their cuts and signings. “They didn’t sign anyone, and they released Roy and Marion’? Let’s discuss that a bit…..

    The Cowboys were 18 million over the cap, and now they are down to 3 million. They cut their dead weight, and signed Kenyon Coleman, re-signed Doug Free, Sensabaugh, Kosier, Spears, and Hatcher – most of their guys signed were from within the organization. I expect Abram Elam to sign and come on as the S opposite Sensabaugh – he will be solid. Brodney Pool could also be on board.

    As evidenced by your post, your IQ is astounding! Eagle Fans must be proud to have you elevating their collective IQ’s!

    you say with such creativity, originality, and with such intelligence that the Cowboys suck, but let’s talk a little about the Cowbys/Eagles rivalry. All-time record between Cowboys and Eagles, including playoffs is 59-45 in favor of the Cowboys. The Cowboys legacy includes 5 SB championships.

    So, the Cowboys have 5 more SB wins than you, and you are trailing the W/L total by 14 games. And the Cowboys suck?

    Good luck trying to pull a Washington Redskins method of sign everybody we can to win it all this year. Your bet is all-in. Now let’s see if you can actually do what has eluded you since the merger and the beginning of the SB era – winning one.

    Until you do win one, STFU. You Eagle fans are pathetic. Dream Team, or a team dreaming? I say the latter until you prove everybody wrong.

  81. pfatl says: Aug 3, 2011 3:37 PM

    sj39 says:Aug 3, 2011 2:44 PM

    Usually cap problems are left over from back-loaded deals and all kinds of “trying to win right now nonsense”, niners and boys suffer from it to this day (and I mean that goes back to their dynasty years). Eagles and Pats are flirting with future trouble right now.
    —————————————–

    Wait, the niners and cowgirls have cap problems going back 15-20 years? You’d think they could have fixed them during the last decade of poor play mixed with low-end medocrity.

    ****************

    “bhindenemylines says:
    Isn’t it funny how the converation never turns nasty until an eagle fan opens their mouth?”
    ___________________
    Just saying it doesn’t make it a fact.

  82. trollhammer20 says: Aug 3, 2011 3:43 PM

    Seymour is on the books for a $30 million contract over two years.

    They just resigned Kameron Wimbley to a deal, with $29 million guaranteed. This deal actually SAVED them cap space this season, because he had been their franchise player, and was set to bring in 11.3 million this year alone.

    Stanford Routt re-signed for $31.5 million over three years. Yes, Stanford Routt.

    If Miller had been able to run a 4.3 40, they’d probably be forty million over the cap right now…

  83. kotapug says: Aug 3, 2011 3:44 PM

    I’m guessing a lot of the bad teams are over the cap because they had to give a high draft choice a lot of money. You have a couple years of drafting high it does not leave a lot of money in your pocket at 20-50 mil. guaranteed.

  84. hscorpio says: Aug 3, 2011 3:45 PM

    Lots of early draft choices and big FA “splashes” among those teams.

    The one exception is Pittsburgh.

  85. urallidiots says: Aug 3, 2011 3:45 PM

    alexnexus says:
    Aug 3, 2011 3:01 PM
    The fact of the matter is that the Eagles do have a real ‘Dream Team’ on their hands: their Front Office Team!

    Go Eagles!

    … who is Jerry Jones?
    —–
    Who is Jerry Jones? A man whose team has actually won Super Bowls?

  86. The Shoeman says: Aug 3, 2011 3:53 PM

    Who is Jerry Jones? A man whose team has actually won Super Bowls? .. i think you mean Jimmy Johnson.

    Since Johnson’s team is gone .. cowboys went BUST !

  87. deadeye says: Aug 3, 2011 3:54 PM

    “We (Steelers) are only over the cap because our talent far exceeds any other. That’s a fact.”

    ============================

    You have Super Bowl amnesia. That’s a fact.

  88. The Shoeman says: Aug 3, 2011 3:56 PM

    jsrdc

    you are embarrassing yourself.

    If you want to live in the ‘disco era” that’s fine.
    but stop with what they did under Jimmy Johnson,, he is gone … Cowboys haven’t won anyhitng since that team left.

    the legacy is really,,, going on 20 years of nada!

  89. dallasbaby says: Aug 3, 2011 3:58 PM

    How are we OVER the cap? We haven’t done ANYTHING! I predict a 7-9 year. At least we’ll be better than Washington…again.

  90. rc33 says: Aug 3, 2011 3:58 PM

    Funny how Raiders management and their fans trumpeted their big “win” over New England in the Seymour trade.

    “A cornerstone to our defense, brought a winning attitude to the team, etc…”

    ….this in spite of the fact that they haven’t won anything of note with Seymour and the Patriots waited two years to actually USE the asset they acquired in the deal.
    To boot, they’ve paid him ridiculous money, between franchising and eventually extending him. And now they wonder how a thoroughly mediocre team is somehow over the cap.
    Bottom line: the Seymour-for-a-1st-round-pick trade would’ve only made sense to an organization that was one quality DL away from a Super Bowl run.

    And that definitely wasn’t Oakland.

  91. zeussuperman says: Aug 3, 2011 3:59 PM

    bhindenemylines says: Aug 3, 2011 2:43 PM

    phillyfan4ever says:
    Aug 3, 2011 2:30 PM
    How are the cowboys OVER the cap? They didn’t sign anyone and released Roy and Marion. They suckkkk haha

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    And yet they still have 5 MORE SUPERBOWL RINGS THAN THE EEGLES.

    Good luck with that Cream Team.

    But I can’t fault you. It Dec 26th 1951 was the last time my team won anything I’d probably act like an idiot too.

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    You, sir, take the cake for the dumbest post in this thread.

    phillyfan4ever is citing the 2011 salary cap, not your decades-old dusty and virtually forgotten Lombardi trophies.

    That’s like saying “So what that we’re losing the war in Afghanistan? We kicked British ASS in the Revolution!”

  92. jsrdc says: Aug 3, 2011 3:59 PM

    alexnexus,

    When your Front Office wins a SB for your Eagles, let me know. In the meantime, have the Dream Team try to do it.

    All this hype we have heard before, and it has never translated. Your Front Office went on a Dan Snyder-like FA run, and we all know how that turned out for Snyder. It is really simple. Win one or go home.

  93. zeussuperman says: Aug 3, 2011 4:04 PM

    A Cowboys/LOLskins fan invoking ancient SB wins over the Eagles is kind of like someone calling you a Nazi during an argument.

    No matter what they say after it, you’ve already won the argument. Immediate invalidation, default win to the Eagles fan.

    Only Giants fans get exception here, because to be fair they did beat an undefeated team to win the SB in this decade.

  94. southcakpanther says: Aug 3, 2011 4:09 PM

    stevo8drum says:
    Aug 3, 2011 2:35 PM
    Lets hope one of these overspenders drop a stud MLB so he can sign with my Eagles!
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    Dan Connor for Asante Samuel, straight up.

    Deal?

  95. notwhoyouthinkitis says: Aug 3, 2011 4:15 PM

    Ben Roethlisberger and James Harrison have already agreed to re-do their contracts to help the Steelers get back under the cap.
    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11213/1164438-100.stm

    Meanwhile this Profootballtalk.com article slams the door shut on all those who whine that the Steelers are “cheap” when it comes to contracts!

  96. nomoreseasontix says: Aug 3, 2011 4:17 PM

    The Raiders. $17m over. It’s astounding that being so mediocre can be so expensive. System failure…

  97. duncanthecat says: Aug 3, 2011 4:34 PM

    Safe to say the Haynesworth Nightmare is completely over for the Redskins.

    The lesson learned was tuff to swallow and apparently no longer affecting the organization in a meaningful way.

    You can consider yourselves a cancer recovered organization.

  98. feldman9000 says: Aug 3, 2011 4:42 PM

    Why do Cowboys and Steelers fans live in the past? The Steelers get embarrassed and exposed in the Super Bowl after finally playing a worthy opponent. They get 6 free wins per year because their division is a joke.

  99. bhindenemylines says: Aug 3, 2011 4:45 PM

    buckbrennan says:
    Aug 3, 2011 3:03 PM

    you should also note that the cowboys havent been successful since free agency and a salary cap were first started and now no team can “buy” a superbowl again…but thats ok..live on past glory

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    You’re right. The Cowboys DID NOT sign Charles Haley and Deion Sanders on the way to winning 3 SBs in 4 years.

    It’s called history. You might want to make sure you know it before you post.

  100. jsrdc says: Aug 3, 2011 4:46 PM

    zeussuperman,

    Somebody talking about their legacy of SB wins is akin to calling someone a Nazi during an argument? What an IGNORANT and ridiculous statement

    There is no default “win” in an argument for a fan whose team has never won a SB. Are those teams with SB winning Legacies never allowed to upset the very fragile egos of the Eagle fans (who don’t have a SB winning team in their trophy cases) by bringing up THEIR SB winning history? Since when do you get to write the rules of who can and cannot mention a SB victory, and how long before a SB trophy becomes null and void?

    Poor Eagle fans. They don’t have a SB victory to their names, and we are supposed to keep quiet as to not hurt their Egos, or be accused of calling them a Nazi since we have a legacy of SB wins (that isn’t supposed to be mentioned because they are “ancient”). A SB win is a SB win. If your team had one, then you would understand.

    Are you telling me that you, as an Eagle fan, wouldn’t be allowed to bring up the SB against the Raiders following the 1980 season had you won it? OF COURSE you would bring it up, because once you win a SB, it can never be taken away from the team or those players. It is in the books. It is part of the legacy. You just don’t know how it feels to be a fan of a SB winning team, so you invent scenarios like a Cowboy or a Skins fan calling you a Nazi during an argument if they bring up a SB, whether it be from this decade or not.

    Does your weak argument also apply to the Buffalo Bill fans?

    It is real simple – WIN ONE, or continue being a butt-hurt Eagle fan who can’t handle it when a SB victory is brought up. .

  101. bhindenemylines says: Aug 3, 2011 4:48 PM

    nfl25 says:
    Aug 3, 2011 3:06 PM
    behind enemy, you mean like this?

    And yet they still have 5 MORE SUPERBOWL RINGS THAN THE EEGLES.

    Good luck with that Cream Team.

    But I can’t fault you. It Dec 26th 1951 was the last time my team won anything I’d probably act like an idiot too.

    ————————————————-

    At what point in this post am I a hater??? No venom in those words there. Just defending my team.

    And as I said before, it was the Philly fan that was bashing the Cowboys first. I only retaliated.

    It not premeditated murder, its self defense.

  102. greengob1in says: Aug 3, 2011 4:50 PM

    LOL i love it when Cowgirl fans say the Eagles are buying the superbowl…yet their team still spends more money.

  103. radrntn says: Aug 3, 2011 4:50 PM

    @rc33 says:
    Aug 3, 2011 3:58 PM
    Funny how Raiders management and their fans trumpeted their big “win” over New England in the Seymour trade.

    never found it funny, just found it to be the best move the raiders have made the past decade. Your patriots just happened to be DFL on theird down defense last year, but hey you don’t miss him.

    The highlight of the past season was big rich slapping and dropping big ben to the ground.

    but it’s all good, you guys have haynesworth now. You should send him a dozen donuts . he looks like he needs to put a few more lbs on.

  104. bigbirdsfan says: Aug 3, 2011 4:52 PM

    I am an eagle fan but also a football fan. At least the Steelers have won this century. Let’s call it like it is, Eagle, Cowboy and Steeler fans are very passionate and will pounce on the other any chance they get because of the competitive nature of these cities. Blue collar cities (moreso Pittsburgh and Philly) work hard and play hard. The Eagles are the best team on paper (if you doubt that you may need your head examined) but it means nothing if they do not bring it to the field. As for the Steelers being over the cap, restructured deals or not, you are going to have to cut some people that are valuable. The cowboys of the 3 have the worst ownership and will not win again because Jerry Jones knows nothing about football. Had he been able to keep Jimmy Johnson a few more years, there would have been a few more super bowl parades in Dallas.

  105. therealsmiley says: Aug 3, 2011 4:58 PM

    Zero Super Bowl wins….everyone else in the division collectively has 11! We throw it in your face because we can and you think you’ve already won. It’s a looong season and now your team has a bullseye on their backs. You have a good team on paper and as a Redskin fan I know how that feels. Show some class and let the wins accumulate first before you start putting your team in the history books. Hail!

  106. billwsavedmylife says: Aug 3, 2011 5:10 PM

    dallasbaby says:

    How are we OVER the cap? We haven’t done ANYTHING! I predict a 7-9 year. At least we’ll be better than Washington…again.
    ___________________________________

    Funny how this article doesn’t mention anything about the Redskins, yet Dallas fan has to talk trash. If my memory serves me, the Cowboys draft slot was prior to the ‘Skins in the 2011 NFL draft. Hmmmm, doesn’t sound like the Cowboys were better to me.

    But maybe I’m wrong…. I’m sure you will let me know.

    HAIL!

  107. stevecmh says: Aug 3, 2011 5:14 PM

    The Cowboys are 6-3 versus Philadelphia over the last four years.

    To correct the record, Stephen McGee beat Kevin Kolb in the last game of 2010. That’s a 3rd string QB in his first NFL start over a 2nd string QB who was starting his 7th game.

    Enough said.

  108. thespeaker08 says: Aug 3, 2011 5:20 PM

    Yeah, uh huh.

    3/4 of the league goes over the Salary Cap before the final roster cuts. So… again I say…uh huh. Newsless.

  109. bigbirdsfan says: Aug 3, 2011 5:28 PM

    A Cowgirl fan bragging about another meaningless Dallas game at the end of the year really? REALLY????? Has your 6-3 record gotten you further when it counts….ummmm no that’s right it hasn’t!

    At least you speak in terms that aren’t 20 years old like back when your team was good. I know it angers you that the Eagles have been consistantly better than your team for the past decade (maybe longer), but face it with your plastic face owner you have no shot at winning another one.

    I can say however it would be nice to have at least one in any decade. I can keep it real…

  110. vawoody15 says: Aug 3, 2011 5:33 PM

    Perfect example on why the NFL needed a rookie salary cap. Panthers, Lions, Raiders, Texans…these teams for the most part are the cellar teams. They have had so many high draft picks over the last few years and had to pay these unproven players way more than they’re worth. The Cowboys are wasy to understand, they overpay all the time and still don’t win. The Vikings are in the same boat as the Cowboys. The Steelers though are the only team that has a legit reason to be on this list. I can understand the Steelers having a high salary cap figure, they win!

    Owners need to realize that most of these players aren’t worth what they’re paid. None of them are so important that they can’t be replaced.

    Jordan is stil the best basketball player to every step on the court. What happened when he retired? Nothing….They kept playing basketball.

    The owners need to stop with all the bad contracts and build with the draft now. At least now you can watch a guy play for four years before you decide to give him a big contract.

  111. dirtydrynn27 says: Aug 3, 2011 5:40 PM

    Did I just see a Cowboy fan say “At least We`ll be better than Washington…..Again”.Last year both teams finished at 6 and 10 so please explain how Dallas was better!.The Cowboys secondary is absolutely horrible and what did they do to remedy this problem????? Absolutely nothing!!!….The Redskins are not over that cap and their are some people that are upset over it and I`m trying to understand why???

  112. bigbirdsfan says: Aug 3, 2011 5:52 PM

    They remedied the cornerback problem, the kept newman so vick can throw the ball to jackson and anybody else for that matter who is running by him like he is standing in cement.

    Sounds like a remedy to me!

    Dallas and Washington are at least 3 years away from doing anything substantial due to past bad moves. I know because I used to watch the Eagles do the same dumb things for 3 decades.

    It will pass…and so will every team on the cowboys!!! yee haaaaa

  113. jsrdc says: Aug 3, 2011 6:36 PM

    bigbirdsfan,

    Wow. A rare Eagle fan with a level head and a post with some intelligence – the post at 4:52 pm is what I am referring to. Good to see there are some smart Eagle fans out there trying to balance out the multitude of the opposite type.

    Now, as far as your post at 5:28 pm, wouldn’t you agree the SB is always the goal, and if you don’t win it, the season just isn’t complete, regardless of the team? So saying the Eagles have been “better” in the last decade is referring to regular season wins. Would you agree the Cowboys have been better at winning SB’s? If you look at the all-time Cowboys/Eagles record including the playoffs, the Cowboys still lead 59-45 games. Is that argument valid? You see, arguments are subjective. It all depends on what you want to focus on and point out. Eagle fans like to point out 1997 to present for their arguments against the Cowboys. The Cowboy fans will point out the early 90′s and the Zero SB wins for the Eagles. Who is more correct? That is why I always go back to the ultimate in this league. The SB wins.

    Whether it is 1970, or 2010. If you have a SB win in your legacy, you have the right to bring up your legacy. If not, you really have little platform. There is no second place in the NFL. Do the Bills have any right to talk about winning 4 AFC Championship games in a row? Of course, but what are they ultimately remembered for? Losing 4 SB’s in a row, because winning a SB is the pinnacle.

  114. melonnhead says: Aug 3, 2011 6:54 PM

    Hilarious…the eagles are STILL UNDER the cap, but yet the Cowboys and other are over…so who is trying to buy a super bowl?

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    Still the Eagles. They aren’t very good at developing players so they got under the cap by cutting a bunch of players that they have not been able to develop. That freed up a lot of salary cap room for them. Now they are using that cap room to sign free agents that have been developed by other teams in the hope that ready-made talent can overcome crappy coaching and player development. Hence the term, “can’t coach ‘em up, poach ‘em up”.

  115. melonnhead says: Aug 3, 2011 6:55 PM

    I know it angers you that the Eagles have been consistantly better than your team for the past decade (maybe longer)

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    You realize that the Cowboys have won four of the last six games against the Eagles, not counting last season’s 14-13 game, right?

  116. melonnhead says: Aug 3, 2011 6:57 PM

    They remedied the cornerback problem, the kept newman so vick can throw the ball to jackson and anybody else for that matter who is running by him like he is standing in cement.

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    That would be funny if Jackson didn’t have a long history of stinking it up against the Cowboys. Here is where you throw up one game to try to disprove my statement.

  117. melonnhead says: Aug 3, 2011 7:11 PM

    If my memory serves me, the Cowboys draft slot was prior to the ‘Skins in the 2011 NFL draft. Hmmmm, doesn’t sound like the Cowboys were better to me.

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    The Cowboys finished higher than the Redskins in the standings by virtue of division record (Cowboys were 3-3, Redskins were 2-4). The Cowboys slotted higher than the Redskins in the draft because the *only* tiebreaker as far as the draft is concerned is strength of schedule. Cowboys 2010 opponents were a combined 131-125 while the Redskins’ opponents combined for a 132-124 record.

  118. melonnhead says: Aug 3, 2011 7:15 PM

    The cowboys of the 3 have the worst ownership and will not win again because Jerry Jones knows nothing about football.

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    Pfft, he knows more than Lurie. How many national championship teams has Lurie played on? How many Super Bowls has his team won?

    That’s game, set and match.

  119. melonnhead says: Aug 3, 2011 7:20 PM

    you should also note that the cowboys havent been successful since free agency and a salary cap were first started

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    The salary cap started in 1994. Free agency in 1993. They’re called “Super Bowls 28 and 30″, dippy. Check into it.

  120. melonnhead says: Aug 3, 2011 7:25 PM

    Who is Jerry Jones? A man whose team has actually won Super Bowls? .. i think you mean Jimmy Johnson.

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    Jimmy Johnson never owned a team.

  121. melonnhead says: Aug 3, 2011 7:35 PM

    The fact of the matter is that the Eagles do have a real ‘Dream Team’ on their hands: their Front Office Team!

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    I swear the NFL should come up with a “Golden Nerdbucket Award” for front offices so the Eagles fans can have something to crow about (even though they haven’t won jack with their “Front Office Dream Team”)

  122. melonnhead says: Aug 3, 2011 7:39 PM

    And yet they still have 5 MORE SUPERBOWL RINGS THAN THE EEGLES.

    *******************************************************************

    Another HISTORY lesson ??

    anything in the past 20 years you want to discuss ?

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    The Cowboys have won three Super Bowls in the last 20 years, fanboi. The Eagles… not as many.

  123. chadinkc30 says: Aug 3, 2011 8:41 PM

    How many Super Bowls have the Pats won since the Seymour trade? HMMM not many how about zero! For a team that gets hands on their jock as much as they get they haven’t won one since 2004! Talk about living in the past! I know they are favored to win it every year & totally collapse and lose to the Jets most of the time, but really lose the attitude. You’ve become the Raiders of the 21st century, signing malcontents that amount to no championships, except odds to win the Super Bowl every year.

    Just so you know, if the tuck rule never happened, you would be as mediocre as the Eagles haha, never winning anything, but competing, thats a nice life!!! Drew Bledsoe would probably be your starting qb still & Tom Brady would be a back up for the Kansas City Chiefs

  124. trajanthe1st says: Aug 3, 2011 9:41 PM

    Over the cap , 8& 8 last season and started over with another head coach.

    Brilliant, Al, just brilliant!

    The Raiders will suffer until that diaper wearing, undead Al Davis finally dies for real. What century is it,Al? Ask Al who his quaterback is and he might answer, Kenny Stabler.

  125. chadinkc30 says: Aug 3, 2011 10:19 PM

    Thats pretty original, Al is old and living in the wrong century! Man you are genius! Come with something better than that next time, maybe a fact or two or something better than over the cap. He will find a way to get under cap, he does every year! I’m with you that he should take a step back or look into a GM, but there is 20 teams that would love to say they went to the super bowl in the last 10 years and actually won one in their history! At least he spends money, which can’t be said for so many owners in the league that its ridiculous

  126. sweetnlow44 says: Aug 4, 2011 1:52 AM

    At least he spends money?

    Brilliant.

  127. grant444 says: Aug 4, 2011 8:52 AM

    Dear Feldman9000 – Steelers living in the past? Geez, I bet there are a few fans out there who would be pleased-as-punch to have won 2 of the last 6 SB’s, and almost 3. Go pound sand.

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