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Merril Hoge says Tim Tebow just can’t play

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Former Steelers and Bears fullback Merril Hoge watches a lot of all-22 game film in his role as an analyst on ESPN’s NFL Matchup, and after watching film of the Denver Broncos from last season, Hoge says he knows who their starting quarterback should be: Kyle Orton.

In fact, in a series of posts on Twitter this morning, Hoge said the idea that Tim Tebow should be a starter is absurd.

“Sitting watching tape of Bronco offense from last year!” Hoge wrote. “Orton or Tebow? It’s embarrassing to think the Broncos could win with Tebow!!”

Hoge’s tweets (which I’ve lightly edited for clarity) mocked the idea that just because Tebow was a Heisman Trophy-winning college star, that means he can hack it in the NFL.

“Orton or Tebow? QB play is not just about who works hard gives rah-rah college speeches or who is a good guy,” Hoge wrote. “Because Orton works hard and is a good guy as well. It’s about who can play!!”

When Tebow was a star at Florida, he was a great fit for the Gators’ spread offense, but he wasn’t asked to do the things an NFL quarterback does, and his throwing motion looked awkward. Hoge says that Tebow’s throwing motion hasn’t improved and his accuracy is a mess.

“I just watched Tebow throw five out routes to a wide open wide receiver,” Hoge wrote. “He was 1-for-5! Two went in dirt two in the stands! That throwing motion he changed? You can’t change who you are! Just watched two throws and he throws like he did in college!! College credentials do not transfer to NFL, rah-rah speeches do not work! You must possess a skill set to play! Tebow struggles with accuracy!”

In other words, Hoge thinks the Broncos will be much better off when “the Tebow thing” is behind them, and Orton is declared their starter.

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  1. broncobeta says: Aug 3, 2011 8:49 AM

    Who the f–k names their kid Merril?

  2. ninjapleazee says: Aug 3, 2011 8:52 AM

    to go against Tebow is to go against God

  3. rodericksilva says: Aug 3, 2011 8:54 AM

    I’m not an analyst. I’m not saying he should start week one.

    Tim Tebow has been hearing that since high school.

    “Your a good high school QB but you can’t play college ball.”

    “You can play division A”

    “You are a pretty good college QB but you can’t win a National Championship.”

    “Your a pretty good college QB and won a National Championship but you won’t be drafted to play in the NFL”

    “You might get drafted but not to play as a QB”

    “You got drafted by the Broncos but you won’t get past the cuts”

    “You made the team…hold the clipboard. You will never start in the NFL”

    “You started some games in the NFL but you will never be a star. You will never win a Superbowl.”

    All I have to say (as an Eagles fan) is give this kid some time and he will prove you wrong…

    Good luck Tim.

  4. kingjoe1 says: Aug 3, 2011 8:56 AM

    just because Hodge is a tool, I hope Tebow finds a way to win the job and lead the Broncos to a winning season.

  5. richardmb52 says: Aug 3, 2011 8:56 AM

    Orton is the Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL

  6. rodericksilva says: Aug 3, 2011 8:56 AM

    No weapon formed against him shall prosper

  7. southcakpanther says: Aug 3, 2011 8:56 AM

    sometimes these analysts can be hard to listen to/read.

  8. 5280sportsbiz says: Aug 3, 2011 8:57 AM

    What the hell does Merril know about winning???

    Kyle Orton is extremely Overrated and isn’t a play maker…

  9. vbe2 says: Aug 3, 2011 8:57 AM

    “Hoge’s tweets (which I’ve lightly edited for clarity)”
    ===============================
    Don’t lightly or otherwise edit someone elses words. You’re not an eidtor, you’re a blogger. Post the words exactly. We’re all able to read. Let us see his words for ourselves. Not words that YOU interpret.

  10. slickster35 says: Aug 3, 2011 8:57 AM

    DUH!

    Even concussed people know the truth when it stares them in the blank face.

    Tebow = 1st round wildcat QB.

    Alex Smith had MUCH better #’s in Urbans system, and we know what Alex Smith is.

  11. rickupchurch says: Aug 3, 2011 8:57 AM

    Merril Hoge realizes he sucked right. Tebow is project, no doubt. But there is that thing about him putting more points on the board than Orton.

  12. vickadelphiaphreedom says: Aug 3, 2011 8:58 AM

    If Tebow took HALF of those rubber “cause bracelets” he wears off….his accuracy might improve.

  13. seahawksfan37 says: Aug 3, 2011 8:59 AM

    Broncos start Tim tebow an they bring more fans to the game, more money. But may not be a not of wins at first but let the guy try. Another thing is that since he is so popular an loved..fans are gonna almost force u to play him. So find out if he can play now. If he can’t. Then trade him while he young an his value high. But wait atleast by his 3rd or fourth year.

  14. 4dabears says: Aug 3, 2011 8:59 AM

    Merrill may be right… but didn’t he also suffer quite a few concussions in his career?

  15. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Aug 3, 2011 8:59 AM

    I have watched tons of football games in my life, including replays and that doesn’t mean I am an expert. Get over yourself Hodgey

  16. outsiderj says: Aug 3, 2011 9:00 AM

    Too bad Tebow isn’t a Steeler otherwise he’d be the greatest quarterback to ever play the game.

  17. jenniferxxx says: Aug 3, 2011 9:00 AM

    And then the sky turned dark … there was a bright light shining through a break in the clouds … as he was struck dead by a bolt of lightening.

  18. kellyb9 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:00 AM

    With all due respect, the Broncos weren’t playing that much better with Orton as their quarterback… why NOT give this guy a shot?

  19. stevemcguigan says: Aug 3, 2011 9:01 AM

    Personally, I think Orton was hiding inside Merril’s giant Zoot Suit, holding a gun to his back.

  20. supafinger says: Aug 3, 2011 9:02 AM

    What are the Broncos going to do with Tebow after Elway drafts Andrew Luck next year?

  21. Wilie Beamon says: Aug 3, 2011 9:02 AM

    uh oh – Homeland security needs to raise the threat level in Denver and have the focus be on mass suicide attempts as the tebowners will not be denied .

  22. riverhorsey says: Aug 3, 2011 9:03 AM

    That was the pre draft consensus anyway. Everyone knew Denver was going out on a limb.

    BTW PFT it’s Hodge not Hoge.

  23. granadosm says: Aug 3, 2011 9:04 AM

    Tell us how you really feel Merril.

  24. sackoballs says: Aug 3, 2011 9:04 AM

    I “read” Merril’s “tweets” and his illiteracy completeley discredits any opinion he formulates. #SackoballsSaysMerrilHogeJustCantWrite

  25. steelcity09 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:04 AM

    Hoge, as well as many others are correct.

    I dont understand the Broncos fans calling for this guy.

    His mechanics are HORRIBLE. He hasnt changed. HIs throwing motion is HORRIBLE. Hes a otugh kid who can run. He will not make it through a full season as a starter becasue somebody will break him if he tries to run like that all year.

    Kyle Orton might not be the answer either but he gives the Broncos the best chance to win IMO.

    Poor Broncos fans………..McDaniels set you guys back years.

    You used to have Cutler, Hillis, B Marsh, Royal and Scheffler. A top 5 NFL offense the McDummy ruined. All he had to do was revamp the defense when he came but the arrogant little weasel insisted on installing his own system and shipped all the best offensive players out of town. He better never get another head coaching job in the NFL again.

  26. molson48187 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:07 AM

    Twitter is making “journalism” too easy. Mr Smith just scans through twitter and posts an article on it. Same garbage ESPN does now basically using twitter as opposed to real interviews. Just throw up these clowns tweets and be done with it, must be nice.

  27. mshu7 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:10 AM

    Here’s a thought that I think would be a win for the organization and a win for the fans. It’s obvious Tebow’s QB skills are suspect when it comes to playing in the NFL. I think they should move Tebow into an H-back/TE type of roll (ie – Chris Cooley type of roll). This gets Tebow on the field / in the game in a role that he’d probably fill better than QB. And, it puts Denver’s best QB behind center.

  28. roscott says: Aug 3, 2011 9:10 AM

    All the action going on and you posted a Merril Hoge tweet?

    Really, I know you scour the bottom of the barrel in every shameless manner to up traffic, but this is just silly. It’s nothing new and from a guy with zero scout or QB knowledge.

  29. mello10 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:11 AM

    I bet he’d like him if he was a Steeler. Hoge is SUCH a jabroni. I’d love for him to keep this Tebow rant going for weeks only to have Tebow win the job & succeed. Maybe then ESPN would get rid of this weasel. For the record I AM NOT a Broncos fan either.

  30. ibeshane says: Aug 3, 2011 9:11 AM

    Keep selling jerseys Tebow. That is what you were drafted for…

  31. jimr10 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:13 AM

    Merril who?

  32. luckyarmpit says: Aug 3, 2011 9:13 AM

    Wow! That’s Great!! I didn’t realize that part of being on Twitter!!! Means that every statement has to be followed by exclamation points!!!

  33. mello10 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:15 AM

    “QB play is not just about who works hard gives rah-rah college speeches or who is a good guy.”

    Right, even an alleged serial rapist can play the position.

  34. melonnhead says: Aug 3, 2011 9:15 AM

    Even concussed people know the truth when it stares them in the blank face.

    Tebow = 1st round wildcat QB.

    —————————————————————–

    So like Vick, right?

  35. seanowns says: Aug 3, 2011 9:17 AM

    Some people just flat out win.

    As a UF Graduate, I never truly embraced Tebow because I am a die hard NFL fan (Oddity in the South), but the guy flat out wins.

    I have watched many failed Eagles comebacks over the last 10 years. I expected the losses in fact. The Packers game was an oddity because they typically came up short.

    The Tim Tebow era at UF was entirely different. If the game was close, he came out on top. Whether by his arm, or running 15 straight times for 3.5 yards every carry to run down the clock. He just won. It’s a talent that is rarely considered in the overall package…

  36. wferg1121 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:17 AM

    Ya have to be fair, ya can’t judge a guys whole career on last years tape when he was a rookie.. The Bronco’s aren’t going anywhere with Orton or Tebow anyways.. Might as well get your moneys worth and see if he is a keeper or a dud.

  37. pistolsmoke says: Aug 3, 2011 9:17 AM

    Jealousy??

    Or his 100 concussions were talking.

  38. bjones036 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:17 AM

    his accuracy will come around after he gets laid for the 1st time

  39. cowartsh says: Aug 3, 2011 9:18 AM

    @rodericksilva
    Tebow never heard coming out of high school that he couldnt make it in college. In fact he and stafford were considered the two best recruits in the country. Dont try to make this a rudy story. Tim is a great athlete who just doesnt have the right skill set to play QB in the NFL. For those who want to put merril down he actually played the game and when he looks at the all 22 he knows what hes looking at

  40. salmen76 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:18 AM

    You are right Hoge. Tebow is a school-boy QB. Plain and simple. He’ll never be a successful starting QB in the NFL. He’ll just be a back-up. A substandard back-up at that. Might be one hell of a preacher some day cuz he has a strong faith. His best skill-set is his faith. That’s not a cut down. Just a fact. Geaux Saints!

  41. realitypolice says: Aug 3, 2011 9:18 AM

    seahawksfan37 says:
    Aug 3, 2011 8:59 AM
    Broncos start Tim tebow an they bring more fans to the game, more money. But may not be a not of wins at first but let the guy try. Another thing is that since he is so popular an loved..fans are gonna almost force u to play him. So find out if he can play now. If he can’t. Then trade him while he young an his value high. But wait atleast by his 3rd or fourth year.
    =====================

    Sounds like a great plan. Give the guy 2 to 3 years as a starter, even if he can’t play, because that’s what the fans want.

    #1- I don’t think the fans want to lose 10-12 per year while figuring out this guy can’t play.

    #2- If you wait until “his 3rd of 4th year”, that gives teams 32-48 games of really bad tape. Believe me, his trade value WON’T be high.

  42. skoobyfl says: Aug 3, 2011 9:19 AM

    Cue the Tebow love / MH hate. We all like Tebow as a person but not as an NFL player, he’ll never live up to the hype.

  43. conwayjames says: Aug 3, 2011 9:19 AM

    If the broncoes win games, they will sell tickets. There is no need to start a gimmick at the most important position in sports. Trade tebow. Save orton.

  44. danglybanging says: Aug 3, 2011 9:20 AM

    This is further proof that concussions cause brain damage.

  45. bleedgreen says: Aug 3, 2011 9:21 AM

    broncobeta says: Aug 3, 2011 8:49 AM

    Who the f–k names their kid Merril?
    ——————

    Merrill Reese’s parents (Eagles radio play by play guy)

  46. realitypolice says: Aug 3, 2011 9:21 AM

    By the way, this is only a controversy for the fans and the media.

    If the Broncos still had any intention of making Tebow the starter to open the season, he would be taking first team reps, not splitting second team reps with Brady Quinn.

    There is no doubt in John Fox’s mind who his starter is- only a huge feeling of relief that they didn’t pull the trigger on the Orton trade.

    Kyle Orton is the week one starter barring injury in Denver. Period.

  47. ctoale says: Aug 3, 2011 9:23 AM

    Hoge is terrible. He’s as bad as Joe Theisman. I don’t understand how these major networks keep them employed.

  48. bcar1023 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:23 AM

    LMAO @rodericksilva. Have you been riding Tebow’s back his entire life to witness that nonesense that you spout? The kid may be a good person and someone that I would hope my kids would look up to but that doesn’t translate to NFL success. His mechanics are crap and he never learned to read defenses at any level beyond his spread-option college experience. He has no tangible skill set that will help him overcome his very real NFL level deficiencies. He doesn’t have Favre’s arm, Vick’s speed or Manning’s intelligence. Unfortunately for him and the Denver faithful, he only has Lou Holtz’ ability to inspire. He can do that from the bench with a clipboard in his hand.

  49. Gronckle says: Aug 3, 2011 9:23 AM

    Is the official plan is lose now, start rebuilding next year? No thanks.
    They go with Orton, yes they may win 1-2 more games this year, but they wont make the playoffs, and they start over at qb next year anyway. Actually Last year as a starter, Orton was 3-9, and Tebow was 1-3 – An identical winning percentage (33%). An argument could be made that Orton puts up more passing yards, but he doesn’t win more games (with this team anyway).

    Tebow was fun to watch last year- and he scored points when he was in the game, regardless of the beauty of his release. Give him a shot. If he’s as bad as everyone says, fine. Draft Luck or someone else next year. Orton will be gone regardless. At least it will be fun to watch him scramble around.

  50. deanvernonwormer says: Aug 3, 2011 9:23 AM

    The only other guy I know of named Merill is one of the Osmond brothers. How did that turn out?

  51. jjbadd says: Aug 3, 2011 9:24 AM

    “kellyb9″
    As a long time Bronco fan, I think u are absolutely right, & its my feelings too. We are already certain that Orton won’t be the franchise qb, at the very least, give Tebow a shot. Then you remove all doubt, & as you said, the Broncos are in trouble with either of them. With all this qb talk, noone has paid any attention to Denver’s bad defensive secondary. I like Champ, but he’s like turning 41 or 42 this yr right?

  52. bigfranky75 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:25 AM

    yeeeeah…. not that I’m a Tebow backer, or think he will succeed (I admit I know about as much as anyone else in the world that has an opinion on the subject… which is not much)… nobody knows if the dude can play until given a proper chance.

    BUT, I what I can say without a shadow of a doubt is that I can put ZERO stock in anything that Merrill Hoge says. Dude is an idiot. What does he know about quarterbacking a team? Let alone winning? LOL! Hoge had a mediocre career on mediocre teams and never won anything… so I take his opinion on pretty much ANYTHING having to do with football and flush it down the toilet! LOL…

  53. mrplow3 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:26 AM

    Here’s what I don’t understand:

    Last year Tebow played in what, 3 games?

    In those three games he threw for tons of yard(I think over 300 twice) and had multiple TDs. If hes so bad why is he putting up big numbers?

    I don’t remember J Russel ever throwing for one let alone two 300 yard games in his career and yet it took us three seasons to decide he couldn’t play.

    Can’t we just wait untill Tebow actually puts up a bad game before we decide hes a bust?

    I don’t get it.

  54. dcviking says: Aug 3, 2011 9:26 AM

    I didn’t realize that all the films that Murill was analyzing actually included the text of the “Rah-Rah” speeches Tebow was giving.

    I like Tebow — don’t know that he is better than Orton or ever will be, but the other thing to remember with respect to Orton, is with all the teams needing a quarterback, none have stepped to trade with the Broncos.

    Doesn’t that say something about Orton as well.

  55. vdogg says: Aug 3, 2011 9:26 AM

    Has everyone forgotten the tipped balls and lucky breaks the Broncos got to get that string of wins to start off the season? If that’s Merrill’s idea of solid QB play then he clearly needs to be the next poster boy for concussion indicators.

  56. theytukrjobs says: Aug 3, 2011 9:27 AM

    How can an NFL analyst post 10 things about whether or not Tebow can play without even mentioning the power of faith. The guy has the almighty pulling for him. I think he’ll do fine. Moron.

  57. 5280sportsbiz says: Aug 3, 2011 9:30 AM

    Nice Call Hoge

  58. berniemadoffsides says: Aug 3, 2011 9:32 AM

    I’m amazed by how can any of these so-called “experts” can say Locker is better than Tebow. Apparently, Merrill Hoge thinks so, despite throwing for fewer yards, fewer TD’s, a worst TD:INT ratio, completing over TEN PERCENT fewer passes, and winning nothing in a 2-team division…?

    It’s not even a debate who’s better, yet Merrill Hoge just hates Tebow. Give the kid a chance and we’ll see if he’s a waste of a 1st round pick or not.

  59. seneca1ss says: Aug 3, 2011 9:32 AM

    But all of his blessings from God are sure to rub-off on the Broncos Organization (He is Soo blessed and we’re not as blessed)

  60. rmm1984 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:34 AM

    Hoge was the only person I remember saying that Jay Cutler was going to be much better than Vince Young or Matt Leinart before they got drafted too. He was criticized for that too.

  61. wryly1 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:34 AM

    If Elway believed for a nanosecond that Tebow, now in his second season, were capable of being their starter of the future, Orton wouldn’t be there.

  62. grant444 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:34 AM

    Dear Outsiderj – since when does Hoge give consistent props to a guy since he is a Steeler? If anything, he goes out of his way NOT to give a compliment to Steeler players. QB’s win games – period. Just because Tebow isnt’ drop-back classics like Brady or Manning doesn’t mean he can’t win gms. However, just like guys like Vick – who will never win a SB – he will get beat up if he doesn’t avoid contact more often.

  63. nmunderdog says: Aug 3, 2011 9:36 AM

    It blows my mind how Orton now is the 2nd coming of John Elway. I cant remember a single 4th quarter comeback since he has been with the Broncos, and teams weren’t exactly beating the Broncos’ door down to get him. All that I can recall in 4th quarters are fumbled snaps and 4 and outs. Not saying that Tebow is ready right now, but at least he had a 4th qtr comeback against Houston last year. Bottom line is that a 7-9 season with Orton isn’t gonna work because the Broncos won’t make the playoffs and the question of wheather Tebow can play or not won’t be answered.

  64. rpiotr01 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:37 AM

    Just like sex, Tim Tebow is saving winning in the NFL until AFTER he’s married.

  65. kchoya says: Aug 3, 2011 9:37 AM

    riverhorsey says:

    BTW PFT it’s Hodge not Hoge.

    —–

    Um, no it’s not.

    http://merrilhoge.com/

  66. kspec1982 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:37 AM

    What Tebow can’t play QB in the NFL?

    SURPRISE!

  67. baddfrog says: Aug 3, 2011 9:37 AM

    A lot of people said similar things about Michael Vick coming into the NFL. It took him a few years, but he looked pretty freakin’ good last year.

  68. wingshater21 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:39 AM

    For everybody that says kyle orton is the best chance for the broncos to win its stupid, he didn’t get them wins last year and he won’t this year, and he always looks great in practice just like he did last year!! But we’re talking about practice!! Practice!!! (thanks AI) us bronco fans don’t know if Tebow is the answer but we’ll take that chance over bland”take a sack again orton” because if tebow doesn’t pan out then hopefully we have the first pick in the draft, but for now we just want excitement after the last couple of years and everybody in the world wants to finally find out if tebow can play

  69. joepags says: Aug 3, 2011 9:42 AM

    tebow=carreer backup…..

  70. roscott says: Aug 3, 2011 9:43 AM

    Orton is only there until they can up his trade value and some other schmuck GM gives them a 3rd for him.

    lol on the Merril Hoge analysis of Brohm vs Aaron Rogers video. End of Story here, really.

  71. marty2019 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:43 AM

    Thinking Tebow is going to be an NFL quarterback is nothing but faith-based scouting, because there is nothing to indicate that he has the skill set to do it. It’s all intangibles. Hey, I have great intangibles, too. That doesn’t make me an NFL quarterback.

  72. dickroy says: Aug 3, 2011 9:44 AM

    I am not a Tebow fan myself. It may be okay to criticize him for his play, but not his faith or belief in God.

  73. denverfan77 says: Aug 3, 2011 9:51 AM

    Merril Hoge, nuff said…

  74. thephantomstranger says: Aug 3, 2011 9:54 AM

    Maybe give a guy a chance before you declare that he can’t play. A lot of quarterbacks don’t look good their rookie year, especially when they need to learn a new way to play. I remember people saying Daunte Culpepper couldn’t play because his passes were so inaccurate during training camp his rookie year. Then he became the starter his second year and was phenomenal.

  75. captainslapnuts says: Aug 3, 2011 9:56 AM

    I’m not an analyst. I’m not saying he should start week one.

    Tim Tebow has been hearing that since high school.

    “Your a good high school QB but you can’t play college ball.”

    “You can play division A”

    “You are a pretty good college QB but you can’t win a National Championship.”

    “Your a pretty good college QB and won a National Championship but you won’t be drafted to play in the NFL”

    “You might get drafted but not to play as a QB”

    “You got drafted by the Broncos but you won’t get past the cuts”

    “You made the team…hold the clipboard. You will never start in the NFL”

    “You started some games in the NFL but you will never be a star. You will never win a Superbowl.”

    All I have to say (as an Eagles fan) is give this kid some time and he will prove you wrong…

    Good luck Tim.

    _____

    And it’s well documented how different a process it is from college to the pros.

  76. hatesycophants says: Aug 3, 2011 9:57 AM

    What is absurd is the idea of Smiff editing anything for clarity. Ridiculous.

    Why is the consensus that Tebow “just deserves a shot,” but someone like Newton is the next Jamarcus Russell? How is it that a post about a probable bust QB has no mention of Russell in the comments? I wonder…

  77. packerjer says: Aug 3, 2011 9:59 AM

    On the off chance nobody else has quoted it yet…

    “Aaron Rodgers will be a bust. He doesn’t have NFL skills. Alex Smith is a much more accurate QB, with all the tools to succeed in this league”

    -Merril Hoge.

  78. captainslapnuts says: Aug 3, 2011 10:00 AM

    dickroy, it’s not that people are criticizing his belief in God, it’s that it’s constantly thrown in our face and the only reason why a lot of people like him is because they’re Gator fans/alumni or because they are as passionate about religion as he is. It’s brought up many times in these posts.

    Tim Tebow is a nice guy and I hate to see nice guys not succeed, but to call yourself a Broncos fan and want Tebow to start simply to “see what you have” is ridiculous. I have never seen that mantra from the Cowboys, Patriots, Eagles, Packers, Steelers, etc. All successful franchises the past decade or two.

    Even the players want Orton to start. Why? Because for some of them, it’s close to the end of the road and they want to be put in positions to win, not to “see what you have.”

  79. sdiegosteel says: Aug 3, 2011 10:01 AM

    Hoge was the only guy out there saying that Vince Young and Matt Leinart weren’t first round quarterbacks the year they came out of the draft – – how did he do on that one?

    At least he doesn’t start batting his eyes like a love-struck 13-year-old girl at every quarterback like Gruden does.

  80. awdlmd says: Aug 3, 2011 10:07 AM

    I’m sure he got a mountain of hate tweets from Tebow’s army of crazy fanboys.

  81. mongobo says: Aug 3, 2011 10:14 AM

    I like Hoge. He’s not always right, and I often disagree with him, but I always believe he’s spent a ton of time studying film to formulate an opinion. Too many of the analysts don’t bother.

  82. mightymightylafootball says: Aug 3, 2011 10:15 AM

    I couldn’t care less about Tebow, but I do know this: Merril Hoge couln’t evaluate talent if he had a 10k hooker tossing his salad.

    He’s a complete tool. I think is average on talent evaluation is literally lower than a coin flip. Totally awful and pathetic in all ways.

    I’d go so far as to say that Merril picking you to fail in the league actually INCREASES your odds of making it.

    He’s very, very bad.

  83. jeffz303 says: Aug 3, 2011 10:16 AM

    riverhorsey says: Aug 3, 2011 9:03 AM

    BTW PFT it’s Hodge not Hoge.

    First of all riverhorsey, let me thank you on behalf of everyone for being our spelling police twit. But actually, it’s Hoge, not Hodge. Idiot.

  84. captainslapnuts says: Aug 3, 2011 10:17 AM

    Tebow threw for 300 yds one last year….against a team that had nothing to play for an a defense that couldn’t catch a cold.

  85. psousa1 says: Aug 3, 2011 10:17 AM

    Not like I have a horse in this race but why is this guy (Tebow) such a polarizing player? Why do people want him to fail? Merril Hoge seems like a guy who is envious or jealous about everything. When you see him on ESPN you can tell he openly roots against teams and players – same as Cris Carter.

  86. tradeassociation says: Aug 3, 2011 10:18 AM

    This is hilarious. When Merrill Hoge was bashing and trashing Vince Young, folks lined up to say “right on!” and “it’s about time SOMEONE stops being politically correct and tells the truth!”

    But when Hoge goes after Tim Tebow FOR THE EXACT SAME REASON THAT HE DID VINCE YOUNG (his poor mechanics, inaccuracy, his playing in a gimmick college offense THAT WAS THE SAME AS YOUNG’S) everyone wants to trash Hoge and claim that Tebow deserves a chance.

    What is the reason for that DOUBLE STANDARD? Oh gee, I wish someone would tell me what it is …

    Oh. I get it. Tebow played in the SEC while Young played in the Big 12. Got it. Except … wow … Cam Newton played in the SEC too, AND MANY OF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO BACKED HOGE WHEN HE WENT AFTER YOUNG ALSO HATE CAM NEWTON!

    This is nonsense, people. If Roger Staubach could run the WISHBONE at NAVY, take FOUR YEARS OFF to serve in the armed forces, and THEN BECOME A HALL OF FAME QB FOR THE COWBOYS, then Tim Tebow can learn the NFL game. (For that matter, so can Vince Young and Cam Newton). Geesh.

  87. achap39 says: Aug 3, 2011 10:20 AM

    Why is it Tebow is so widely praised (and liked) for his religious beliefs when a guy like Shawn Green took games off for Jewish holidays and got ripped by the fans/media, or an uproar comes when Chris Jackson legally changes his name to Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf to reflect his Muslim beliefs?

  88. techstar25 says: Aug 3, 2011 10:23 AM

    The Broncos should cut Tebow right now. Let him go. The thing is though, is that Tim Tebow, NFL QB is not going away anytime soon. He’ll show up on another teams roster and work hard, and maybe get cut again. Then he’ll show up on another teams roster, and maybe get cut again. And he’ll keep doing that until he gets the chance to play. He will not go away. He’ll just keep working, and probably working harder than anybody else in the league. So despite his bad throwing motion, he’ll keep up his tenacious pursuit of playing football, for better or worse. He will not just go away.

  89. icardfan says: Aug 3, 2011 10:25 AM

    Hoge dresses like a tool.

  90. ezdoesit209 says: Aug 3, 2011 10:25 AM

    Merril Hoge is a joke…. but he’s right about Tebow not being any good.

  91. cjoyce91 says: Aug 3, 2011 10:26 AM

    wow didn’t espn just put out a show called the Brady 6 where every single person said “we didn’t measure his heart” Tebow falls under this category he might make it just give him a chance

  92. skids003 says: Aug 3, 2011 10:29 AM

    Who is Merrill Hoge? What are his credentials? Probably nothing, he just decided he’s a football expert, about like all the talking heads in the media do. Just decide you are an expert on something, and boom, you are. What a moron.

  93. rajbais says: Aug 3, 2011 10:29 AM

    Hogie, what are you talking about???

    Tebow’s a good boy!!! He will take the Broncos to the Super Bowl even though his throwing motion makes Byron Leftwich look like Tom Brady!!!

  94. tradeassociation says: Aug 3, 2011 10:37 AM

    achap39:

    Chris Jackson got no heat whatsoever for changing his name to Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf and becoming a Muslim. There have been quite a few Muslim professional athletes, including Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Hakeem Olajuwon IN BASKETBALL, that didn’t attract any negative attention whatsoever. Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf got in trouble for stating that he was not going to stand at attention during the pledge of allegiance because the American flag stood for oppression. ANYONE who says something like that REGARDLESS of their religion is going to get tarred. And it was Abdul-Rauf’s own decision to tie his opposition to the pledge of allegiance and the U.S. flag to Islam. Before then, such opposition was associated with communists, anarchists, and atheists.

    As far as Shawn Green goes … it has NOTHING to do with Judaism. Instead, it is because HE IS MISSING GAMES. Let a Christian refuse to play baseball, basketball or hockey on Sunday and see what happens. Look at how everyone trashes BYU because the Mormons won’t play on Sunday. It is one of the reasons why they have never been allowed to join the Pac-10, Big 12 or other major conferences.

    So please, take your liberal revisionism elsewhere. Not that I have a problem with the liberalism, just the revisionism. I disdain conservative revisionism just as much!

  95. thewizardsrevenge says: Aug 3, 2011 10:47 AM

    It sure wouldn’t hurt to have Tebow sit for another year while Orton starts, but

    this idea that Orton is this great quarterback is absurd

    I don’t care how he does in practice, you have years of game film

    Let Tebow fail or succeed on his own merit when he plays

  96. richkotitte says: Aug 3, 2011 10:47 AM

    I say let Tebow play the entire season. Great luck will follow.

    Andrew Luck that is!

  97. svcfilmguy says: Aug 3, 2011 10:49 AM

    Can someone please clarify who these people are that are telling Tebow he can’t succeed? People say that he wouldn’t be a good college QB? BS. He was one of the most highly touted and recruited high school players in the country. When Chris Leak left, he was handed the starting job. When he declared for the draft, he was widely considered a late-first or early-second round pick. Yes, there were those that questioned whether or not he would succeed at QB, but there were reasons for that. He has haters, but God, his defenders have this persecution complex about Tebow that has no basis in reality.

  98. zaggs says: Aug 3, 2011 10:49 AM

    What the hell does Hoge know about being a QB? Wasn’t he a fullback? Yeah rookie QB+change in throwing style does not equate to instant success. But if Orton was so great, why did Chicago trade him?

  99. jaypace says: Aug 3, 2011 10:51 AM

    I love how a guy who rushed for 3000 yards in his career is an expert on the qb position.

  100. mmmpieyummy says: Aug 3, 2011 10:54 AM

    And Merril Hoge has finally caught up with the rest of the world that already knows this…way to go out on a limb Merril!

  101. seabreezes51 says: Aug 3, 2011 10:56 AM

    That does it, if Merrill Hoge says Tebow can’t play, I am now a fan of Tim Tebow.
    Hoge is a tool.

  102. gjperch says: Aug 3, 2011 10:57 AM

    Um, and how many games has Orton won as a Bronco? Yes, the defense sucked, but the Broncos’ offense should have been scoring 30+ points a game. Orton is good at choking when behind and that’s about it. Tebow’s NFL ability is yet to be seen, but at least he’s not Orton. The only Tebow accomplished last year was energizing the team, energizing the fans, and doing more on the field to WIN a game than Orton ever did by trying not to lose a game. The Broncos won’t be going to the Superbowl this year, anyway, I’d much (MUCH) rather see what Tebow can do.

  103. svcfilmguy says: Aug 3, 2011 11:00 AM

    I would hope that we could all agree on the following:

    1. Hoge doesn’t seem like the brightest bulb. His analysis is questionable at best.

    2. The questions surrounding Tebow are legitimate. Specifically, his throwing motion, ability to operate in a non-spread offense, and accuracy are cause for concern.

    3. Prior success does not guarantee future success. See how many Heisman winners have been total busts at the next level.

    4. Hard work will only get you so far. He may be the hardest worker on the field, but if he can’t put it all together, he’ll flop.

    5. His most ardent defenders and vile haters need to grow up. Act like adults. There are reasons to believe that he will succeed and reasons to believe that he will fail. His worshippers should be able to admit that rationally questioning his ability to succeed at the next level is not hate. Relax. Take a chill pill. He’s just a kid. He’s not the messiah.

    As for the issue at hand: I see nothing about Orton that convinces me that he’s a franchise QB. To be fair, I haven’t seen that from Tebow either, but with Orton, you pretty much know what you’re getting. Tebow has upside. It’s not like the Broncos are going to compete this year. Throw him to the wolves and see what you have. If the new regime is unconvinced, there is a promising crop of QBs coming out next year.

  104. tradeassociation says: Aug 3, 2011 11:02 AM

    zaggs:

    Chicago traded Orton to get Jay Cutler, a move that you would have made any day of the week. Orton is a good QB, but not a great one. Tebow has the potential to be great. Whether he realizes that potential or not is a huge question mark, but no one denies that Tebow has far superior arm strength, mobility, and overall athletic ability than Orton.

    svcfilmguy:

    Yes, you are right with the Tebow backers. The guy was a 5 star recruit coming out of high school, with even programs that generally don’t recruit dual threat QBs (like USC) trying their best to get him. The folks bashing him during the NFL process did so only because of his delivery (which is a legitimate issue) and the failure of Alex Smith (which isn’t, because Smith played in the MWC, lacks Tebow’s ability, and is a completely different type of player). If Tebow had a standard delivery, he would have been a top 10 pick.

    I won’t say that Tebow will definitely succeed, but I won’t be shocked if he does. (Now Jake Locker, THAT is someone that I will be shocked if he succeeds!)

  105. iplaybad says: Aug 3, 2011 11:08 AM

    Tim Tebow will lead a mega church to awesome missions. He’ll take in lots of $$$ from tithes and offerings. Tim Tebow would be a great HS football coach at a christian school. Tim Tebow can inspire the deluded folks who believe in Zeus to do great things.

    But, he will not lead the Broncos to the promised land. Why? He sucks. He’s a 50% passer. He’s a back-foot thrower with piling up INTs waiting to happen.

    Josh McDaniels was Tebow’s biggest supporter in the NFL. Yet, Tebow rarely saw the field when McDaniels was running the show. Why is that? Even McDaniels acknowledged that Tebow is not any good. In fact, McDaniels insisted on an extension for Orton!

    John Fox and John Elway are more competent adults in the room. Yet, Tebow is being outplayed by not one, but two QBs in training camp. He’s taking zero reps with the ones. Why is that? Fox’s staff knows that Tebow is not any good.

    Look, I applaud Tebow’s marketing team for garnering support for their guy. Their marketing effort is a deception. If the Broncos want to win, you put Orton in the game, you run the rock, take advantage of Orton’s fantastic play-action ability, and get after it on D.

    Go Broncos!

  106. pff says: Aug 3, 2011 11:12 AM

    “#1- I don’t think the fans want to lose 10-12 per year while figuring out this guy can’t play.”

    ======================

    – didn’t Orton go 3-10 last year when he started?

  107. jbluntz says: Aug 3, 2011 11:17 AM

    Merril, you’re an idiot. Didn’t Tebow win 2 of 3 games last year????? So what if Tebow doesnt have a perfect throwing motion the guy has more heart and a desire to win than anyother guy I’ve seen in a long time. In the few games he played last year, you could see his teamates feeding off of his energy, the dude is a leader and a winner. Orton is a good QB, but he doesn’t inspire his team to win. He doesn’ tposses the passion and desire to take the team to the next level, Tewbow does.

  108. thermalito says: Aug 3, 2011 11:17 AM

    Tim Tebow is NOT an NFL QB and never will be. I know that upsets all the christian mythologist football fans but its the truth.

  109. pongonfl says: Aug 3, 2011 11:18 AM

    Saying Tebow should get the shot that Jamarcus Russel got is kind of an insult to Tebow.
    No one with a functioning brain ever thought that Russel would be any good either.
    Can you believe they fired Shannahan for McDanniels?
    What exactly was the concept there.
    Talk about Karma striking down that franchise. The bloody talent that Shanny had put together.
    Now they would wet their pants just to get Jake the Snake back. They dream of having a QB even that good.(which was pretty good in my mind)

  110. deadeye says: Aug 3, 2011 11:21 AM

    I don’t blame Tebow for his inevitible failure at QB. His lame former coach (McDummy) set him up for failure by picking him two or three rounds too early.

  111. stanklepoot says: Aug 3, 2011 11:24 AM

    rodericksilva says: Aug 3, 2011 8:56 AM

    No weapon formed against him shall prosper
    _________________________
    except for NFL defenses and the eye in the sky.

  112. jaypace says: Aug 3, 2011 11:27 AM

    I question John fox’s ability to determine what a good qb is. he did continue to march Jake delhomme out there after it was painfully obvious to everyone that he sucked. And they gave him a huge extension after a five int playoff game. Hmmm

  113. thermalito says: Aug 3, 2011 11:29 AM

    Tebow will be a failure at QB because he has no talent. Not because of where he was drafted.
    He sure milked the kooky religious thing for all it was worth though.

  114. danielsanchez06 says: Aug 3, 2011 11:32 AM

    Who’s Merril Hoge? Does he have a Super Bowl ring? Is he in the Hall of Fame or something? Who the heck is this guy? As for Tim Tebow, I know who he is. That kid can play. Nuff said.

  115. stanklepoot says: Aug 3, 2011 11:38 AM

    jbluntz says: Aug 3, 2011 11:17 AM

    Merril, you’re an idiot. Didn’t Tebow win 2 of 3 games last year????? So what if Tebow doesnt have a perfect throwing motion the guy has more heart and a desire to win than anyother guy I’ve seen in a long time. In the few games he played last year, you could see his teamates feeding off of his energy, the dude is a leader and a winner. Orton is a good QB, but he doesn’t inspire his team to win. He doesn’ tposses the passion and desire to take the team to the next level, Tewbow does.
    _______________________
    In the name of all that’s holy, please stop quoting press releases from P.R. consultants. “more heart and desire to win than any other guy I’ve seen in a long time”? If you don’t think pretty much everyone on the field has the same heart and desire you’re a fool. Very few players have enough talent to make it to the pros without busting their butts. As for inspiration, have fun with that. Rah-rah speeches may work in college, but in the pros all the speeches in the world mean nothing unless your teammates think that you can truly help them win…and his teammates don’t. I have no doubt that Tebow is passionate about the game or determined to be the best Qb he can be. I just don’t think he has the skill set to succeed in the NFL as a starting QB. His passes are all over the place, his poor mechanics slows his release and increases the odds of a sack or strip-sack, and his attempts to run will come to a quick end when he gets laid out by a D-lineman or LB. Tebow really isn’t all that mobile. He made his name in college by running over the smaller players that didn’t make it to the NFL. His one big running highlight in the NFL came when he powered through a DB (smallest guys on the field), and even then he ended up with a rib injury.

  116. jessieboom says: Aug 3, 2011 11:38 AM

    Merril Hoge sucks butt, but he’s right this time. Tebow’s probably a good dude and all, but you only have to watch a few plays to tell he ain’t got it…or at the very least it will be a while til he does.

  117. tradeassociation says: Aug 3, 2011 11:38 AM

    thermalito:

    Seriously, why the Christian-bashing? Why is it relevant, and what does it do for you or anyone else? And aren’t you aware that PLENTY of outstanding football players and coaches are evangelical Christians? Must burn you up inside …

  118. BroncoNick says: Aug 3, 2011 11:38 AM

    Merril Hoge forgets where he’s going while he drives his car because he’s had too many concussions. Not someone I put a lot of stock in.
    For his whole life Tebow has heard how he’s not good enough or “can’t” do something. And every single time he has proven them wrong.
    I’m a die hard Broncos fan, but I must say that this is disappointing me very much. Denver better start Tebow… if they don’t then go ahead and trade him… it will be one of the worst moves they ever made because he is going to be successful in the NFL. Give him a chance!
    I’ve seen Tom Brady’s combine tape and numbers and pretty much nobody thought he was going to be who he is.
    Just sayin…
    TEBOW TIME!

  119. bjcorrado says: Aug 3, 2011 11:41 AM

    Hoge is a complete moron. There’s plenty of “analysts” on ESPN that have no clue what they are talking about, but Merril takes the cake. He hates anyone and everything that isn’t associated with the Steelers.

  120. drbob117 says: Aug 3, 2011 11:44 AM

    Let’s face it, if anyone would know about not being able to play, it’s Merrill Hoge. He was either hurt or bad his whole career.

  121. whatever82 says: Aug 3, 2011 11:46 AM

    I’ve read MH bashed A. Rodgers before he even started his NFL career. If that’s the case MH is just another “expert” who really doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Sports media seems to be filled with them.

    On the QB front nothing Fox can do will make anyone happy. Start Orton. The first loss — hell the first poor performance in the red zone that Orton is so famous for (and the reason the Cards passed on him) and the Tebow chants will start.

  122. svcfilmguy says: Aug 3, 2011 11:49 AM

    Who’s Merril Hoge? Does he have a Super Bowl ring? Is he in the Hall of Fame or something? Who the heck is this guy? As for Tim Tebow, I know who he is. That kid can play. Nuff said.

    —————————————

    What does having a Super Bowl ring or being a Hall of Famer have to do with being a good analyst? Some of the best guys out there were not only marginal players, but didn’t play the game in the first place. Would you take Emmitt Smith’s analysis seriously? I certainly hope not.

  123. tdk24 says: Aug 3, 2011 11:50 AM

    I guess Hoge doesn’t remember Aaron Rodgers doing the same thing in his first couple of camps. He couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. Yet he managed to win a superbowl. Funny how things work out.

  124. foreverengland says: Aug 3, 2011 11:52 AM

    It’s one thing to look at some film and find flaws. But to extrapolate that into saying Tim Tebow can’t play is ridiculous. The kid is a terrific and tenacious athlete who has always and will always WIN.

  125. thermalito says: Aug 3, 2011 11:54 AM

    You need a superbowl ring to be able to tell Tim Tebow sucks? LOL. There’s a reason the Broncos aren’t trading Orton. They got a look at Tebow in practice and said yeeesh.

  126. slvrbullet86 says: Aug 3, 2011 11:54 AM

    I’m guessing that all of these Tebow supporters are the same idiots who thought that Culpepper would be the next Marino in Miami. Tebow is terrible. Believing in an invisible sky monster does not qualify you to be an NFL QB. At least Bronco fans are all too dimwitted to realize that King Neckbeard is their only chance at winning…

  127. tomosbornesretirementcostjoepaatitle says: Aug 3, 2011 11:56 AM

    berniemadoffsides says:
    Aug 3, 2011 9:32 AM
    I’m amazed by how can any of these so-called “experts” can say Locker is better than Tebow. Apparently, Merrill Hoge thinks so, despite throwing for fewer yards, fewer TD’s, a worst TD:INT ratio, completing over TEN PERCENT fewer passes, and winning nothing in a 2-team division…?

    It’s not even a debate who’s better, yet Merrill Hoge just hates Tebow. Give the kid a chance and we’ll see if he’s a waste of a 1st round pick or not.

    _______________________________

    What you fail to mention in your comparison is that Tebow was surrounded by NFL caliber talent (Pounceys, Harvin, and a few others I can’t recall off the top of my head) and coached by a man whom many may consider to be the best offensive minded college coach of the last decade.

    Locker was surrounded by crap, and not until recently did UW have a decent coach.

    Not a fan of either team, so I am capable of looking at the comparison sans blinders. I can understand why the “experts” would favor Locker over Tebow based on a full team copmparison.

    Remember, stats don’t lie, but they also don’t tell you the full story.

  128. cbass59 says: Aug 3, 2011 11:56 AM

    So all of you questioning Hoge”s analysis because of his past career think only successful NFL QBs can provide good analysis? What’s your credentials for criticizing his analysis. I think it’s safe to say he has a little more credibility than any of you. And it’s not like he got his job for being a famous athlete. Hoge most likely got his job (and has kept it) because he’s good at it.

    And rodericksilva, who said any of those quotes? Gatorade commercials don’t count. Who said he would not make it as a college QB? He was one of the nation’s top prospects coming out of high school. The only one that is true is that people said he “wouldn’t be a successful NFL QB”. All the others are made up because people like the “against all odds” story.

  129. stopthehate15bowdown says: Aug 3, 2011 11:57 AM

    I think Merril Hoge’s silly windsor knots are cutting off circulation to his brain again. Why does a has-been like him get to say that someone can’t play.

    I will say it again… Jamarcus Russell got 3 years (3 years!!!) to prove that he couldn’t play in the nfl. Why does Tebow only get 3 games (3 games!!)

    BTW in those 3 games he led the offense to a 26 ppg average, a 17 point 4th quarter comeback and a better winning percentage !

    I’ll go with what someone does on the field not in practice.

    Where would the Steelers be without injuries to Tommy Maddox and Charlie Batch? Where would the Patriots be without that injury to Bledsoe. Greatness only comes from opportunity… mediocrity comes from complacency.

    Trade Orton and JUST GIVE TEBOW THE DAMN BALL!

  130. shadowgm1 says: Aug 3, 2011 11:57 AM

    You guys hate on Hoge all you want. This assessment is dead-on. Why else did Elway and the gang yank Orton from trade talks? The embarassment of the Josh McDaniels era continues…

  131. tecmobowl34 says: Aug 3, 2011 11:59 AM

    hatesycophants says: Aug 3, 2011 9:57 AM

    Why is the consensus that Tebow “just deserves a shot,” but someone like Newton is the next Jamarcus Russell? How is it that a post about a probable bust QB has no mention of Russell in the comments? I wonder…

    ———————————————-

    couldn’t agree more

  132. tatum064 says: Aug 3, 2011 11:59 AM

    “Schefter knows the Broncos better than anyone after serving as a beat writer there and is unlikely to be bluffed by their front office. It appears that the deal (to trade Orton) with the Dolphins truly is dead.”
    source; Rotoworld

    ENOUGH! Orton is the starter..until he gets hurt, then we’ll see. Hoge maybe overreacted on Tebow going 1 of 5, but Tebow set himself up for all of this with that ridiculous marketing campaign from the time he got to Denver.

  133. tatum064 says: Aug 3, 2011 12:02 PM

    “I think Merril Hoge’s silly windsor knots are cutting off circulation to his brain again. Why does a has-been like him get to say that someone can’t play.

    I will say it again… Jamarcus Russell got 3 years (3 years!!!) to prove that he couldn’t play in the nfl. Why does Tebow only get 3 games (3 games!!)”
    ==============================
    Because Hoge could play football..and started for the Steelers and Bears, and played in playoff games.

    Russell had 30 million in guaranteed money, so of course he had 3 years.

  134. tradeassociation says: Aug 3, 2011 12:04 PM

    @tomosbornesretirementcostjoepaatitle:

    First off, you need to change your handle. Osborne retired in 1997. Penn State went undefeated without getting the national title in 1994. And that happened because Penn State didn’t beat a top 10 team that season, neither during the regular season (the Big 10 was really bad, and PSU played no one OOC) or the bowl game (Oregon was 8-4).

    Second, Locker was not “surrounded by crap.” Quite the contrary, Washington sent a lot of players to the NFL on both sides of the ball in the 2010 and 2011 draft, and will have more players in 2012 and 2013. Washington only went 0-12 that year because the team quit on Tyrone Willingham. UW won 4-5 games the year before, won 5 games the year after, and only won 7 games last year because they stopped trying to make Locker into a superstar and started running the football with Polk instead.

    Look, Jay Cutler had much less talent around him than did Locker, played in a tougher conference, and was a far superior player.

  135. tradeassociation says: Aug 3, 2011 12:06 PM

    @slvrbullet86:

    Again, more hatred, bigotry and bias. It must be horrible to go through life with such hate. Maybe you are using football violence and competition as an outlet for your hate?

  136. axespray says: Aug 3, 2011 12:07 PM

    If Tim was a Steeler, hoge would be slobbering over him….

    “This guy can just win, he doesn’t do it pretty, he just wins….”

    or wait, that’s Big Ben he was talking about.

  137. svcfilmguy says: Aug 3, 2011 12:08 PM

    I will say it again… Jamarcus Russell got 3 years (3 years!!!) to prove that he couldn’t play in the nfl. Why does Tebow only get 3 games (3 games!!)

    Jamarcus Russell had a huge signing bonus!! Not many people are saying that Tebow shouldn’t at least be given a chance!! The issue at hand is whether he should start this year!! Do you think it’s that unreasonable to think that Orton might be the better option!! I happen to agree that Tebow is the better pick, but I can see why those taking the opposing view would think otherwise!!

  138. kmfl1 says: Aug 3, 2011 12:15 PM

    Tebow or no, I just wish somebody would teach Hoge how to tie a tie. Christ, that friggin’ fist he has under his neck every week is annoying as hell!!

  139. broncofanssuck says: Aug 3, 2011 12:16 PM

    The owner and executives for the broncos have got to stop listening to the bronco fans. bronco fans football I.Q. is comparable to a wet rock.

  140. Deb says: Aug 3, 2011 12:38 PM

    Tebow has it all … except the throwing motion. And I don’t know if he can correct that. McDaniels was a fool to trade up for him. He’s not a first-round draft prospect for the NFL. It’s a crying shame because he really does have every other quality you could want in a leader. But he’s a true spread QB with the added complication of poor throwing mechanics. He’s not ready to start … and may never be ready to start at this position.

    Having said that … Orton is overrated. For all Cutler’s issues, he had Chicago in the conference championship. If Orton had done anything for Denver last season, Tebow wouldn’t have been on the field. Yeah, that McDaniels is a genius :roll:

  141. driscoll419 says: Aug 3, 2011 12:45 PM

    Orton probably does give Denver a better chance to win, but probably two or three more games. Let’s be real that team needs years to recover from mcdaniels terrible decsions. If orton plays all year and we win 5 games we miss out on luck cuz we won’t have the top pick. Or Denver can start tebow show if he’s nothing or everything and in the same process, if we win two games or so, draft luck once its determined who tebow really is as a qb

  142. denverdrivenfan says: Aug 3, 2011 12:49 PM

    I think we need to give Tebow the chance and give him a season to grow as a player who is a stater. That’s why we got him. He is smart and a hard worker he’ll get it!!

  143. dcbronco says: Aug 3, 2011 1:09 PM

    steelcity09

    Poor Broncos fans………..McDaniels set you guys back years.

    You used to have Cutler, Hillis, B Marsh, Royal and Scheffler. A top 5 NFL offense the McDummy ruined. All he had to do was revamp the defense when he came but the arrogant little weasel insisted on installing his own system and shipped all the best offensive players out of town. He better never get another head coaching job in the NFL.

    ==================================

    Top five. It was the number two offense in the league with a bunch of kids. Eight of the eleven starters were 25 years old or younger. And that ass ruined it all. With the help of the old man owner. Clady was a rookie. If that offense had been allowed to jell they would have been unstoppable.

  144. vawoody15 says: Aug 3, 2011 1:11 PM

    Who cares about his throwing motion? Nobody has a more jacked up throwing motion than Phillip Rivers and no on doubts that he is one of the best QBs in the game. The accuracy has to be there, or he won’t be good. The DBs in the NFL are just too good for bad throws.

    The key to leading is bringing out the best in others. If he can, then he’ll be good. If not….

    All he’s done so far in his life is win.

  145. vonmillerglasses says: Aug 3, 2011 1:13 PM

    Merril simply rehashed every criticism that Tebow has had since declaring for the draft. None of this is new information. Simply put Denver knows what they have in Orton, a mediocre QB who wont win any games for you him self. Fans are clamoring for Tebow because they are attracted to his potential.

  146. lgwelsh1 says: Aug 3, 2011 1:27 PM

    Orton is a solid QB, it seems all he does is manage the game and gives you a solid chance to win…Why would Denver trade him? LOL

    Tebow has a lot to prove and that’s a good thing, but in the NFL you can’t get away with a lot of the stuff he did in college. If he was smart he would become a TE like Hines Ward did and have a great career.

  147. tomosbornesretirementcostjoepaatitle says: Aug 3, 2011 1:45 PM

    @ tradeassociation

    I’m well aware of the inaccuracy in my name. It was derived from a convo I had with a friend of mine regarding that subject. He fully believed what my name implies. The absurdity of it all made me use it as my name when PFT switched over to word press.

    But thank you for your insight.

    As for the team quitting on Willingham, it is not like Tyrone had great results at Notre Dame, and he is truly making a difference now at the coaching gig he holds. Oh wait…

    Are you insinuating that Willingham is Meyers equal?

    As for tactics and gameplans I honestly cannot assess what UW has done or will do. I live in PA, and we get very few West Coast games so my knowledge of that program is admittedly limited.

    But I can say with all certainty that Locker did not have two NFL top 20 draft picks on his O-Line at any point in his career.

  148. tomosbornesretirementcostjoepaatitle says: Aug 3, 2011 2:01 PM

    @ tradeassociation

    If you compare the lists of NFL prospects drafted by the two schools over the last 4 years, as well as the positions those players played there is a massive difference.

    We are talking 23 UF players compared to 5 UW players. Two of the UW players were offensive players, thus players that surrounded Locker, as D players do not directly impact a QB’s play. Locker is one and Louis Rankin in ’09 is the other.

    Compare this to the 11 offensive players that have been drafted from UF since ’07, including Tebow. While crap may have been a strong word, anyone playing at DI level obviously has some talent, I still submit to you the obvious fact that Locker had much less talent than Tebow did around him.

    I am not discussing Cutler, because that was not part of my original point and I will not tangent, other than to say he had at least one, if not two, NFL receivers on his Vandy team (too lazy to confirm the numbers at this point).

  149. oarangecrush says: Aug 3, 2011 2:02 PM

    Hogwash must be a Seminole fan! Idiot! If I remember correctly Denver fans booed elway his whole first year. Cut the man a break he hardly took snaps last year in practice and started three games and did pretty damn good! Who is Hohenstaufen anyways! A Monday morning quarterback? Yes! Figure something out that u actually know what your talking about and talk about it instead! You’re an idiot hoge! Wanna be Analyst!! Hoge sucks!

  150. tomosbornesretirementcostjoepaatitle says: Aug 3, 2011 2:03 PM

    lgwelsh1 says:
    Aug 3, 2011 1:27 PM
    Orton is a solid QB, it seems all he does is manage the game and gives you a solid chance to win…Why would Denver trade him? LOL

    Tebow has a lot to prove and that’s a good thing, but in the NFL you can’t get away with a lot of the stuff he did in college. If he was smart he would become a TE like Hines Ward did and have a great career.
    ===================================

    Totally agree! I can’t believe that how many Pro Bowls Hines has made as a TE while still maintaining his stats and gaining Super Bowl MVP as a WR. Is there anything he can’t do?

  151. sm407240 says: Aug 3, 2011 2:14 PM

    Give him a chance ….because the sooner he flops and is out of the league the sooner we will be free of his sickening religious fundamentalism. What coach would want a QB/leader who feels that an imaginary sky-god is more responsible for success than hard work , coaching and teammates. For every win that is attributed to god there certainly must be a corresponding loss attributable to god. A .500 record gets coaches fired regularly!!

  152. rodericksilva says: Aug 4, 2011 12:57 AM

    blah, blah, blah… mechanics… blah, blah, blah, read defenses…blah, blah, blah…NFL not college… noise.

    bottom line… Boncos and Elway see something.

    The worst mechanics, non-defensive reading, no footwork having, lucky, short, no sex having, running QB to be picked in the first round.

    I’ll take Elway’s opinion over Merrill’s on QBs any day.

  153. chazatlas says: Aug 4, 2011 4:40 AM

    Merril Hoge, maybe people might respect you and your opinion more if A) you weren’t such a butt-head and B) if you didn’t wear those ridiculous, HUGE Windsor knot ties.

  154. davoider says: Aug 4, 2011 8:17 AM

    I have nothing against Tebow and no biased reason to support him (I.e. being a Broncos fan) and thus haven’t followed this whole bore of a situation very closely.

    Maybe one day this guy will be a great NFL QB, I don’t know how anyway, save nosterdamous, could truley say one way or another.

    But I just watched un-edited highlights of QB/WR/RBs from Broncos camp, and anyone who thinks he is ready to start right now is out of their mind. Its not like he had a couple of bad throws, aside from a 5 yard route to a TE I did not see a SINGLE accurate throw. Right now, the guy is all over the place. During one series he was overthrowing receivers by 10 yards, in another he was throwing it straight into the dirt and bouncing it to them. And all of this is in shorts with no one pressuring him.

    He has a LONG way to go.

  155. jfinch7 says: Aug 4, 2011 12:00 PM

    “During a game against the Chiefs in Kansas City, Hoge received a concussion and, five days later, the team doctor approved him to resume playing during a telephone call without examining him to determine if he had recovered; he was still suffering post-concussion symptoms.
    Hoge sustained another concussion several weeks later, and had to be resuscitated after he stopped breathing. He spent 48 hours in the intensive-care unit and was forced to retire due to brain injury. Hoge had to learn to read again and experienced memory loss, confusion and headaches.”- Yeah Hoge….whatever you say big fella.

  156. 7wombat says: Aug 4, 2011 10:00 PM

    I wonder how well Meril Hogge did in his rookie year – He must have at least led the
    league also – to have such an Elitist attitude toward Tebow at this early point in his career.

    It all depends what stats you want to remember or what you want to forget in order
    to get your diatribe or prejudiced agenda across.

    I believe Tebow also was in pretty good relative QB company in his stats for Passing TDs per Passing Attempt.

    Meril – why not look in the mirror – and remember – just how it was ?

  157. 7wombat says: Aug 4, 2011 10:10 PM

    Does anyone know if ANY NFL player this past 2010 regular season, had a better Rushing TD / Rushing Attempt record (6 / 43 > or a TD For Every 7.17 Rushing Attempts ) then Tim Tebow?

    I wonder how well Meril Hogge did in his rookie year – He must have at least led the league also – to have such an Elitist attitude toward Tebow at this early point in his career.

    It all depends what stats you want to remember or what you want to forget in order to get your diatribe or prejudiced agenda across.

    I believe Tebow also was in pretty good relative QB company in his stats for Passing TDs per Passing Attempt.

    Meril – why not look in the mirror – and remember – how it was… and back off ?

  158. 7wombat says: Aug 4, 2011 10:28 PM

    Does anyone know if ANY NFL player this past 2010 regular season, had a better Rushing TD / Rushing Attempt record (6 / 43 > or a TD For Every 7.17 Rushing Attempts ) then Tim Tebow?

    I wonder how well Meril Hogge did in his rookie year – He must have at least led the
    league also – to have such an Elitist attitude toward Tebow at this early point in his career.

    The reality is that it all depends on what stats you chose to remember or what stats you chose to forget will help ensure that you get your verbal diatribe and prejudiced agenda across.

    I believe Tebow also was in pretty good relative QB company in his stats for Passing TDs per Passing Attempt.

    Meril – why not look in the mirror – and – how it was with you, before you continue your unwarranted attack? and just back off..

  159. bigdawgy54 says: Aug 4, 2011 11:43 PM

    Tebow getting drafted in the first round was a JOKE! AN ABSOLUTE JOKE!
    Tebow was a good kid in college.
    The NFL is a man’s league and a pro league.
    Being a good guy is not enough to cut it in the NFL…..PERIOD!
    Tebow will be out of the NFL before ya know it……Unless he converts to a tight end or something. he’s simply not pro material at quarterback.
    He should simply be thankful for the first round money he did not deserve.
    MERRILL HODGE IS 100% CORRECT!!!

  160. nickster2k says: Aug 5, 2011 8:14 AM

    Tebow needs to get laid.

  161. BroncoNick says: Aug 5, 2011 3:01 PM

    Tebow will be the Denver Broncos starting QB next year. No doubt in my mind at all. Orton’s contract will be up, he will have another mediocre season, and Tebow will know the new system better.
    Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers both sat the bench for a while, it’s the same thing here with Tebow.
    Next year he will start.

  162. waynefontes says: Aug 6, 2011 12:19 AM

    Merril Hoge is a complete idiot.

    The only reason he’s an “analyst/expert” is that he played in the NFL. Would E$PN hire him otherwise? Exactly.

    Vince Young plays in the NFL too, does anyone think he’s a genius? Or remotely intelligent?

    And that’s before all the concussions. Remember those “this is your brain on drugs” commercials?

    That’s Merrill Hoge. And that’s even if he never did drugs. Concussions and stupidity are a dangerous combination.

  163. 7wombat says: Aug 6, 2011 1:37 PM

    Meril Hogge’s own ESPN Network’s new “Realistic Game-time” NOT “Practice-Time” Quarterback Total QBR ranking, ranks Tim Tebow at 16th in league @ 54.3 versus Orton at 21st in league @ 46.6. Perhaps Meril is now ashamed of his run-amok attack,
    or does he have another agenda, or reason for his un-restrained animosity toward Tebow?

    I Notice there has been a DEARTH of publicity, about this new piece of relative, comparative and obviously significant data – comparing Orton and Tebow – WHY??? — Do THESE FACTS – not fit in with “their” overall intent and AGENDA!
    overall AGENDA !! ??

  164. elvoid says: Aug 6, 2011 10:15 PM

    Whole lotta experts here – most saying Tebow doesn’t have the game for the NFL.

    They might be right – but I’ve got two words for them:

    Doug Flutie.

    (a perfectly serviceable starting QB when finally given a shot – he ain’t goin’ to the HOF, but neither is Orton, is he?)

    How ’bout we let Tebow have a shot? If he sucks, so be it. But how ’bout we let that issue be decided on the field?

  165. packeranddarien says: Aug 7, 2011 7:53 PM

    @tomosbornesretirementcostjoepaatitle:

    First off, you need to change your handle. Osborne retired in 1997. Penn State went undefeated without getting the national title in 1994. And that happened because Penn State didn’t beat a top 10 team that season, neither during the regular season (the Big 10 was really bad, and PSU played no one OOC) or the bowl game (Oregon was 8-4).

    Talk about revisionism? I’ll get on Tebow in a second.

    Everyone …and that apparently that doesn’t include yourself….KNEW that the national press had the one-eyed stiffy for Osborne to get his elusive national title BEFORE he retires, after SO many times of screwing the pooch when he HAD his chances many times over. Including the fact that Paterno had pulled off one of the greatest upsets in college football history (up to that point) just seven seasons earlier with his LAST national title.

    The Fix was in for Ol’ Doctor Tom. So friggin obvious!

    PSU didn’t play anyone out of conference?

    How bout #14 USC getting trucked in the Kickoff classic, 38-14?

    Didn’t play anyone in the top 10? I guess #5 Michigan didn’t count either, in Ann Arbor?

    How about Nebraska playing MORE than one ranked opponent in their own conference?

    The national press couldn’t stop spackling the walls with their JJ after Nebraska took their bowl game away from ………Gino Torretta? ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME? Miami was No.3 on reputation alone and the Big East was an absolute JOKE! Their signature win? #23 Boston College AT HOME. But that was AFTER getting TRUCKED buy unranked Washington AT HOME, 38-20.

    Please stop with your obvious Big8/12 bias. And get your facts straight.

    Paterno deserved that NC just as much and maybe even more, evidenced by the players that had long careers in the NFL (Collins, Engram, Brady, Hartings).

    Almost forgot….

    Tebow can’t play. Just another airsprayed SEC QB that will be out of the league in 3 years. (Yes, that does include Cam Newton)

    (shaking head)……..Gino Torretta…whew!

  166. craigrd54 says: Aug 9, 2011 10:31 AM

    T Tebow in his 3 starts in 2010 (which is hardly enough to make any kind of judgement on his ability to succeed) completed 50.0% of his passes, averaged 8.0 yards per attempt and scored 4 passing touchdowns surpassing K Orton’s 2010 stats in Avg Yrds Per Attempt and Avg passing TD’s per game. He completed 67% of his 4 year college career passes. He must have some skills or abilities to learn new skills.
    What do you have against Tebow and why do you not want him to be given the chance to succeed.
    Right now the question of whether or not he has what it takes to play in the NFL is literally in the hands of his coach, who did not draft him and may not want him on the team. It may not matter how much Tebow improves, if Fox doesn’t want him, he will not be given any opportunities to prove himself or his marketability in a trade.

  167. comeonnowguys says: Aug 9, 2011 4:30 PM

    Boy that Merrill Hoge sure deserved all this knee-jerk nerdrage for being completely wrong.

    Except for the part where Tebow was named starter… then lost his job to Orton… And then lost #2 to Brady Quinn.

  168. fightingorange says: Aug 10, 2011 2:39 PM

    Tebow being outplayed by Brady Quinn??? That’s impossible! Tim Tebow believes in himself, his family believes in him!

    I give credit to John Fox for making the best decision for his team, and not listening to ignorant fans who really don’t know what it takes to put together a winning football team.

  169. raspikes says: Aug 28, 2011 11:57 PM

    Merril Hoge…….Merril Hoge ???????

    Did he win a state high school championship?

    Did he make the Army high school all-america team?

    Was he a first team All-America quarterback?

    Did he win the Heisman?

    Did he win the SEC Title and MVP?

    Did he win a national championship?

    Did he score more touchdowns in college than Herschel Walker?

    Did he win the most prestigious awards offered to college football players?

    Oh, wait a minute. I think that was Tim Tebow!

    The “awkward” throwing motion was apparently good enough to accomplish the above feats, playing in the toughest conference in the land, and against the best teams in the country from other regions.

    I suppose that none of the football people who voted Tebow those honors were as smart as Merril, right Merril?

    The on-field accomplishments never fooled that cagey sage. He thinks that he is smarter than all of those other folks.

    After all, he played at that perennial powerhouse Idaho State, was ignored until the later rounds (261st) and made fans suffer through a lackluster career as a nominal running back.

    What a jerk. He is a whining loser of a man.

  170. johnelwayismydad says: Dec 5, 2011 2:56 PM

    Bet he wishes he kept his mouth shut.

  171. writeandgood says: Jun 8, 2012 3:14 AM

    Did Hoge watch tape, you ask? Darn skippy! He’s working extra hard. Merril Hoge was sitting watching (yep, sitting and watching at the same time!) tape with unparalleled enthusiasm, exclamation point. Even more impressive, he was apparently watching tape “off” (not of) the back of the bucking bronco offense. What did he see on that tape? Who knows? Who cares? The important thing is he watched it, and he SAW SOMETHING which only he as an analyst is able to see. After seeing this SOMETHING, he grew embarrassed, and soiled his trousers, because he was thinking about someone else thinking about winning with Tim Tebow! He was shamefaced, and his cheeks grew pink with abject humiliation over this ludicrous concept: winning with Tebow! He was so mortified the occasion demanded (in lieu of explanation of his points) two exclamation points!! Orton or Tebow? Tebow = embarrassing!! Wait!! Then, Orton went 1-4. oops, question mark, exclamation point. Then, Tebow went 8-5, double exclamation point, and led the Broncos to a first round win over the Steelers: the biggest win for the Broncos since 2005, triple exclamation point… Game. Set. Match.
    So, Mr. Hoge? Embarrassing to think the Broncos could win with Tebow? If I were you, Mr. Hoge, I’d be embarrassed by that Tweet!! When will Mr. Hoge take credit for his failed prophecy punctuated by a double exclamation point? When will he provide explanation of his points that led to his erroneous exclamation points? At what point does this man lose credibility on the subject of Tebow? As a trusthworthy analyst? After being wrong, exclamation point? No? What about after being wrong repeatedly with repeated exclamation points?
    *For a full critique of Hoge’s Tebow rants, see:

    http://byanocean.blogspot.com/search/label/World%20and%20Views

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