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The Pro Football Hall of Fame classes of 2012 and beyond

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Seven new members of the Pro Football Hall of Fame will be enshrined on Saturday night, and Randy Moss’s retirement this week brought a new round of debate about what, exactly, constitutes a Hall of Famer. So now seems like a good time to revisit something we looked at a year ago: Who are the likely inductees in the Hall of Fame classes of 2012 and beyond?

Here’s our year-by-year breakdown of what each Hall of Fame class might look like.

2012

Newly eligible: Tiki Barber, Bill Cowher, Bill Parcells, Will Shields, Rod Smith

This will be a good year for players who have been snubbed in the past to get in, as Shields is probably the only player who has any real chance of being a first-ballot inductee.

Shields, the longtime guard for the Kansas City Chiefs, never missed a game in 14 seasons and was selected to the Pro Bowl 12 times. If he doesn’t get in on the first ballot, the selection committee might as well just say guards can’t get in on their first try.

Jerome Bettis and Curtis Martin were passed over for induction this year, and they’d have to be considered ahead of Barber next year. We mention Barber here mostly to note that he’ll be newly eligible for the Hall of Fame in 2012 — unless he makes an NFL roster this year, in which case he wouldn’t be eligible for the Hall of Fame until at least 2017.

Smith was a good receiver for the Broncos, but the three wide receivers who were voted down in 2011 – Andre Reed, Tim Brown and Cris Carter – would all seem to have a better chance than Smith of getting enshrined in 2012.

Several other players voted down this year, including Willie Roaf, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Charles Haley and Cortez Kennedy, will likely make the list of 15 finalists in 2012.

And then there are Cowher and Parcells. Assuming neither of them return to coaching, 2012 is the year they’ll be eligible for induction. With a career record of 161-99-1 and a Super Bowl ring, Cowher would have a solid case. Parcells, who last coached in 2006, will also become eligible in 2012, and he has even better Hall of Fame credentials than Cowher, with 183 wins and two Super Bowl rings. But Parcells has been eligible before (during previous “retirements”) and voted down before.

Finally, 2012 may feature a major debate about the Hall of Fame candidacy of former Commissioner Paul Tagliabue. When Tagliabue has been voted down in the past, some have argued that while he oversaw labor peace during his own tenure, the last Collective Bargaining Agreement he negotiated didn’t ensure labor peace in the long run. Now the selection committee can take a fresh look at Tagliabue’s case, in light of the new labor deal reached after the owners opted out of Tagliabue’s CBA.

The 2012 class won’t be a great one, but that’s a good thing for players like Reed, Brown, Carter, Martin and Bettis, as it gives them a good opportunity to be voted up next year after they were voted down this year.

2013

Newly eligible: Larry Allen, Morten Andersen, Priest Holmes, Steve McNair, Jonathan Ogden, Warren Sapp, Michael Strahan, Bryant Young

It’s a crowded field of candidates in 2013, and the best bet is probably Strahan, who owns the single-season sack record and finished his career on top with a Super Bowl victory in his final game. Strahan likely gets in ahead of his fellow defensive linemen Sapp and Young.

On the offensive line, both Allen and Ogden are worthy candidates, with Allen a little more likely to be inducted in his first year of eligibility. Both Allen and Ogden are 11-time Pro Bowlers, and those are the kinds of credentials offensive linemen need to get into the Hall, but Allen probably gets in before Ogden.

Holmes put up great rushing numbers but is probably a long shot considering that more qualified running backs in Bettis and Martin were voted down.

Andersen is a tough case. Only one pure kicker, Jan Stenerud, is in the Hall of Fame, and although Andersen certainly has a strong case as the NFL’s all-time leading scorer, no kicker can ever be viewed as a lock for the Hall. It’s worth noting that one of the biggest annual Hall of Fame arguments revolves around punter Ray Guy, who hasn’t been inducted but frequently makes the list of finalists.

McNair is an even tougher case. The circumstances of his death shouldn’t play any part in the discussion of whether he had a Hall of Fame career, but it could affect how some voters think about him. Based purely on what he did on the field, McNair is a borderline case, a three-time Pro Bowler and one-time league MVP who led his team to one Super Bowl.

2014

Newly eligible: Tony Dungy, Marvin Harrison

If Dungy doesn’t return to coaching, 2014 is the year he’ll start to get consideration, and he has an excellent case: He won a Super Bowl with the Indianapolis Colts and took over a perennial doormat Tampa Bay Buccaneers franchise and led them to the playoffs four times in his six seasons.

Harrison was one of Dungy’s best players with the Colts and will probably get into the Hall, having led the league in catches twice and receiving yards twice, although the Hall of Fame voters showed by voting down Cris Carter and Tim Brown that they’re not always swayed by big receiving numbers.

The 2014 class doesn’t have many strong first-year candidates, which is good news for players who have been bypassed in previous years. This will be the year that some of the players passed over in the past (like Carter and Brown) finally make it.

2015

Newly eligible: Isaac Bruce, Edgerrin James, Walter Jones, Ty Law, Kevin Mawae, Orlando Pace, Junior Seau, Kurt Warner

Looking back on Warner’s career, the whole thing just seems impossible – he may never even have gotten a chance if Trent Green hadn’t suffered a knee injury during the 1999 preseason, both the Rams and Giants gave up on him, and even the Cardinals thought he’d be nothing more than a backup to Matt Leinart. But considering that he won a Super Bowl and played in two more, won two league MVP awards, and was the best quarterback in football from 1999 through 2001 and among the best from 2007 through 2009, he belongs in the Hall.

Seau also belongs; he was one of the best linebackers in football during his prime, and his longevity was incredible: Seau was the oldest non-kicker in the NFL in his final season.

Jones and Pace were the two best offensive tackles of their generation and are both worthy, although coming up against each other in 2015, they might split the vote among selection committee members who disagree about which one was the best at his position. I’d give Pace the nod if I could only pick one.

Law was one of the best defensive backs of his era and always stepped up at the most important times: Peyton Manning is already on record having offered to present Law for Hall of Fame induction, based largely on how many times Law picked Manning off in big games.

Mawae was an eight-time Pro Bowl center who started 238 games over 16 seasons for the Seahawks, Jets and Titans. But considering how tough it’s been for an even better center — Dermontti Dawson — to get voted into the Hall of Fame, Mawae is a long shot.

Bruce is third all-time in receiving yards, behind only Jerry Rice and Terrell Owens, but that may not be enough to get him in the Hall. Racking up big receiving numbers doesn’t seem to impress the selection committee.

James probably won’t get in, but he’s at least worth considering as a four-time Pro Bowler who twice led the league in rushing.

2016

Newly eligible: Brett Favre, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens

If Favre, Moss and Owens are all done in the NFL (and they might not be — Favre and Moss could still change their minds, and Owens claims his torn ACL will heal sufficiently that he can play this season) they’ll all come up for Hall of Fame consideration in 2016.

Favre is a lock: His last season was a mess, but he deserves to be remembered as one of the greatest football players of all time.

Moss and Owens are tough cases. The debate about Moss’s Hall of Fame merits has already started, and there will be a similar debate about Owens. Both guys did some incredible things on the field, but both also wore out their welcomes on multiple teams and were ultimately considered more trouble than they were worth. It wouldn’t be surprising if the Hall of Fame selection committee puts them both in Canton the first year they’re eligible, but it also wouldn’t be surprising if neither one of them gets in.

If nothing else, these three would certainly give us an interesting trio of induction speeches. If Favre, Moss and Owens are all on the stage together in Canton in 2016, we advise you to get your popcorn ready.

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  1. ampats says: Aug 3, 2011 4:32 PM

    Tiki Barber? More likely for the Hall of Shame

  2. steel6times says: Aug 3, 2011 4:33 PM

    But do they have 6 rings? I think if you have rings that gives you the priority over others.

  3. dcbassguy says: Aug 3, 2011 4:34 PM

    2016 Will be the first H O F induction that I don’t watch……. Those 3 self centered, arrogant, “look at me” players would be way to much for me to handle in one night.

    I’m not saying that they aren’t good players, but that would be tough to watch.

  4. reddskeletor says: Aug 3, 2011 4:34 PM

    Larry Allen has only one Super Bowl ring (SB30), not three.

  5. kriswd40 says: Aug 3, 2011 4:36 PM

    No mention of the Marvin Harrison murder allegations. I’ve got to think, even if he is never convicted, that’s got to sour many of the voters.

  6. doublec42788 says: Aug 3, 2011 4:37 PM

    Zach Thomas?

  7. randysavage4ever says: Aug 3, 2011 4:39 PM

    LOOK AT TIM BROWN’S STATS

    AND THEN LOOK AT WHO WAS THROWING HIM THE BALL

    AND THEN TELL ME THAT MAN SHOULDNT BE IN THE HALL OF FAME

    HOW MANY YEARS ARE THEY GONNA SCREW HIM OVER?

  8. madenatewell says: Aug 3, 2011 4:40 PM

    2013 really only has the two main first ballot guys…Sapp and Strahan are no brainers but anyone else, kinda have cracks in arguments…

  9. brooks07 says: Aug 3, 2011 4:40 PM

    MDS – You left off Derrick Brooks.. A pretty sure fire 1st ballot Hall of Famer…

  10. texastornado82 says: Aug 3, 2011 4:40 PM

    Charles Haley 2 HOF ASAP

  11. beastofeden says: Aug 3, 2011 4:42 PM

    The Hall Of Fame is as useless as the Pro Bowl.

  12. ampats says: Aug 3, 2011 4:43 PM

    May I say that I am looking forward to when school starts again in Pittsburgh and steel6times starts 8th grade.

  13. citizenstrange says: Aug 3, 2011 4:44 PM

    IMO ….. Bill Cowher is responsible for the Steeler Nation being what it is. That is a heck of a legacy.

    No team’s fans travel like the Steelers and it’s thanks to Cowher providing 15 seasons of hardnosed, tough teams who usually made the playoffs.

    I still worship at the altar of Chuck Noll but by the time he stepped down Steeler fans were a pretty demoralized bunch.

    GO STEELERS!

  14. cmj2010 says: Aug 3, 2011 4:45 PM

    Coincidentally, 2014 is also when Harrison will be eligible for parole.

  15. andyreidisfat says: Aug 3, 2011 4:46 PM

    Tiki Barber
    Priest Holmes
    Edggrin James

    Not one of these three should even sniff the HOf
    James and Holmes were both truely great players no doubt but neither guy was the best in his era. James is one notch below a hofer and priest is one notch below that. Still quite a feat and something for both to be proud of, but this is the HOF. Only the best of the best.

    Now Tiki is a whole other story. This guy only had 3 good years. The rest of his career was marded by fumbles, bad work ethic, and inability to get a long with teammates. Tiki barber shouldn’t even be in contention. He was never on a winner and he only had three good years. And he is not like Holmes who only had 3-4 good years, that wasn’t homes is fault he was behind somebody on one team and was injured after being the best in the league for two years on his next. Barber however was really not good at all for many years. He had that three year period where he was helped by one of the IMO best Olines ever. He never did anything in a big game to help his team become a champion. ick i can’t even believe you would mention him with suck great names.

    However i do believe that 2012 should be Carter Parcells Cowher Tim Brown and will sheilds C. Haley and willie Roaf would make a nice class next year.

    If Tiki barber is enshrined into the HOF i will never pay a dime to go in there ever again and i have been quite a bit and spent plenty of money.

  16. shian11 says: Aug 3, 2011 4:46 PM

    Wow!!! Just skipped double nickel Derrick Brooks!!

  17. unbiasedfootballfan says: Aug 3, 2011 4:47 PM

    where is Tedy Bruschi on this list…maybe hes not a hall of famer but to be included is a major mistake.

  18. unbiasedfootballfan says: Aug 3, 2011 4:47 PM

    not be included

  19. We'reFineThere says: Aug 3, 2011 4:48 PM

    Sapp, Strahan, Pace, Seau, Favre guaranteed first timers….

    Parcells, Moss, TO, will get in eventually

    Not sure how they will deal with the rest of the OL….There are a lot of them in the same time period….but maybe that was just a coincidence. Where are these type of players now?

  20. neovenator250 says: Aug 3, 2011 4:50 PM

    Two words: Cris Carter. How can this man not be in the Hall? What a joke

  21. baldy55 says: Aug 3, 2011 4:50 PM

    JOE KLECKO !!!!!!!!!!!

  22. brock29609 says: Aug 3, 2011 4:51 PM

    um… Derrick Brooks?!

  23. bleedblue18 says: Aug 3, 2011 4:51 PM

    Marvin Harrison will get in, maybe first ballot in 2014.

    # Holds the NFL record for receptions in a single season with 143, set in 2002.
    # Most receiving yards in a 4 season period (6,322), 1999–2002; 5 season period (7,594), 1999–2003.
    # Most games with at least 8 receptions (51), 9 receptions (32), 11 receptions (12), 12 receptions (8), 13 receptions (4)
    # Most games with at least 14 receptions (2)-tied with Brandon Marshall, Jerry Rice, Jason Witten, Jimmy Smith, Kellen Winslow
    # Most consecutive seasons with at least 5 touchdowns (11) – shared with Jerry Rice, Don Hutson, Cris Carter, Tim Brown
    # Most consecutive seasons with at least 6 touchdowns (11) – shared with Jerry Rice, Don Hutson
    # Most consecutive seasons with at least 5 touchdown receptions (11) – shared with Jerry Rice, Don Hutson, Cris Carter, Tim Brown
    # Most consecutive seasons with at least 6 touchdown receptions (11) – shared with Jerry Rice, Don Hutson
    # Most consecutive seasons with at least 10 touchdown receptions (8)
    # Most consecutive seasons with at least 11 touchdown receptions (4)-tied with Lance Alworth, Art Powell
    # Most consecutive seasons with at least 14 touchdown receptions (2)-tied with Jerry Rice
    Marvin Harrison is in second place for the most consecutive games with a reception with 190 (206 counting playoffs), only behind Jerry Rice who had 274.

    Just some of his career stats, top 5 in almost every receiving stat.

  24. xstaticonradio says: Aug 3, 2011 4:51 PM

    How Andre Reed isn’t in is beyond me.

  25. rcunningham says: Aug 3, 2011 4:53 PM

    randysavage4ever says:
    Aug 3, 2011 4:39 PM
    LOOK AT TIM BROWN’S STATS

    AND THEN LOOK AT WHO WAS THROWING HIM THE BALL

    AND THEN TELL ME THAT MAN SHOULDNT BE IN THE HALL OF FAME

    HOW MANY YEARS ARE THEY GONNA SCREW HIM OVER?

    Well, let’s go down the list

    1988-1992: Jay Schroeder, yeah I’ll give you this one, Schroeder was basically the definition of mediocre.

    1993-1996: Jeff Hoestetler, while Hoss can’t be considered an elite QB, his best years were definitely in Oakland. I’ll give you this one though.

    1997: Jeff George, I don’t care what anyone says, George was actually pretty good in his later years. 97 was one of his best seasons ever, he threw for 29 TDs and led the NFL in passing yardage with only 9 picks. This one goes to George.

    1998: Donald Hollas, Who? You win.

    1999-2002: Rich Gannon, Probably the last great Raiders QB and one of my personal favorites. Played four good years for the Raiders and capped it off with an MVP season in 02. Gannon wins this.

    In short, 10 of Brown’s 15 seasons in Oakland featured poor-average QB play, and he STILL produced. Get him in!

  26. pfii63 says: Aug 3, 2011 4:55 PM

    Bruschi should be on the list.

    And how is Moss a tough case if Harrison isn’t?

  27. radrntn says: Aug 3, 2011 4:56 PM

    two words ….cliff branch, oh two more, kenny stabler, oh two more ray guy, oh two more tim brown, oh two more…etc……there is no lock on any of these years except for farve…..to me it’s all about how many rings do you have…the more rings the more likely…no rings, makes it tough.

  28. camdenyard says: Aug 3, 2011 4:56 PM

    Ogden is a LOCK in his first year of eligibility.

  29. nickster31 says: Aug 3, 2011 4:57 PM

    citizenstrange says: Aug 3, 2011 4:44 PM

    IMO ….. Bill Cowher is responsible for the Steeler Nation being what it is. That is a heck of a legacy.

    No team’s fans travel like the Steelers and it’s thanks to Cowher providing 15 seasons of hardnosed, tough teams who usually made the playoffs.

    I still worship at the altar of Chuck Noll but by the time he stepped down Steeler fans were a pretty demoralized bunch.

    *****************************************

    WHAT? Bill Cowher is responsible for choking in the playoffs time and time and time again, and still given a TON of chances, over and over and over again.

    Steelers Nation DOES NOT travel well because of Bill Cowher, they travel well because we are spread out all over the country from when the Steel mills closed down.

    Chuck Noll is the reason that the Steelers Nation being what it is, being a dynasty by teaching the Rooney Family how a team needs to be built.

    Had it not been for Noll, the Steelers today would be nothing more than a poor mans Washington Redskins, not knowing how to draft OR be able to keep players that build chemistry.

    Cowher was LUCKY to get a job like the Steelers head coach, and was LUCKY to keep it. He won AFC Central championships because the Browns, Bengals, Oilers and Jaguars (once they came) were poor teams, NOT because Cowher was so great.

    If you would have had a coach like Jimmy Johnson, Mike Shannahan (used to be a great coach), or any other above average coach for the 16 years Cowher was on the Steelers sideline, the Steelers would be sitting with 8-9 Lombardi Trophies right now!

    And YES, I am a life long Steelers fan!

  30. valhallarising says: Aug 3, 2011 4:58 PM

    Chris Carter is arguably one of the five best receivers in NFL history. I loved Andre Reed as well but if Carter doesn’t get in now, it’s a joke.

  31. milkmandanimal says: Aug 3, 2011 5:00 PM

    Derrick Brooks has been mentioned several times, but could never be mentioned enough. Absolute first-ballot guy; it wouldn’t even be vaguely in question.

  32. kmurph1226 says: Aug 3, 2011 5:00 PM

    Where is Zach Thomas? Lets look at his stats:

    1720 tackles, more than anyone currently in the HoF
    17 INTs, more than Mike Singeltary and Harry Carson
    4 INTs for TDs is the fourth most in NFL history for a LB
    5x 1st team all-pro, 2x second team all pro
    7x pro bowler

    Not to mention he is a class act and a great face of the Dolphin’s franchise. How is he not even mentioned as a possibility?

  33. johnnycamparm says: Aug 3, 2011 5:00 PM

    steel6times says: Aug 3, 2011 4:33 PM

    But do they have 6 rings? I think if you have rings that gives you the priority over others.
    ———————————————————-
    Dude,… GIVE IT A REST! I’m a Steeler fan, and even I find that “got 6 rings” thing annoying as hell. You give us a bad name. And besides, no player or coach has 6 rings, so your point is pretty freaking retarded…

  34. chris6523 says: Aug 3, 2011 5:02 PM

    No team’s fans travel like the Steelers and it’s thanks to Cowher providing 15 seasons of hardnosed, tough teams who usually made the playoffs.

    Two things: First, um, as a packer fan who was in Cleveland in ’95, Detroit in ’96, Indy in ’97, and the meadowlands in ’98, I think you are a little uninformed about how well Packer fans travel.

    Second, I seem to recall the Steelers having some teams that weren’t all too bad and played a relatively physical brand of football in the ’70s.

  35. techstar25 says: Aug 3, 2011 5:03 PM

    Um, Derrick Brooks?

  36. jvibottomline says: Aug 3, 2011 5:03 PM

    Roger Craig

  37. romoistheman says: Aug 3, 2011 5:05 PM

    If Issac Bruce doesn’t get into the HOF I will lose all the respect I have for it

  38. shumagorath says: Aug 3, 2011 5:07 PM

    Derrick Brooks

    Enough said …

  39. rayguyreturns says: Aug 3, 2011 5:13 PM

    Glad to see Rod Smith on this list, even though I watched him kill us with clutch catches for many years. His numbers may not be up to some others, but the man was clutch, always a pro, and probably one of the highest respected Broncos on my short list. The man knew how to win.

  40. sportsinhd says: Aug 3, 2011 5:15 PM

    2016: Alan Faneca

    Faneca was simply the best at his position for almost ten years. He’s a nine time pro bowler and a nine time all pro.

  41. digirootune says: Aug 3, 2011 5:18 PM

    If only he had a few more seasons…he would’ve been the best safety there ever was.

    RIP #21

    HAIL:(

  42. unbiasedfootballfan says: Aug 3, 2011 5:26 PM

    i would love to hear the reasoning from the people that downthumbed tedy bruschi even being mentioned a possible hall of famer.

  43. benh999 says: Aug 3, 2011 5:29 PM

    Bruschi? Are Patsy fans drinking straight out of Boston Harbor now? He belongs in the Hall of Not Half Bad.

  44. minnesconsin says: Aug 3, 2011 5:32 PM

    MDS, Are you honestly suggesting that Pro Bowl selections translate to Hall of Fame credentials? This is at best lazy, at worst reckless — either way, it’s absurd. I’ll give ya the benefit of the doubt and assume you used Pro Bowls as a means to present a BUNCH of names all at once without actually digging in to what these guys did on the field (like I said, lazy). Because we all know the Pro Bowl is little more than a popularity contest and shouldn’t be seriously considered when measuring the greatness of a player’s career.

  45. doublec42788 says: Aug 3, 2011 5:34 PM

    Zach Thomas > Teddy Bruschi

  46. whynotusecommonsense says: Aug 3, 2011 5:40 PM

    randysavage4ever says:Aug 3, 2011 4:39 PM

    LOOK AT TIM BROWN’S STATS

    AND THEN LOOK AT WHO WAS THROWING HIM THE BALL

    AND THEN TELL ME THAT MAN SHOULDNT BE IN THE HALL OF FAME

    HOW MANY YEARS ARE THEY GONNA SCREW HIM OVER?
    ——————-

    I like your fire (I assume you’re yelling?) but I’ll answer your question.

    So far, only two. He certainly deserves to be in, but his first two years he has had some pretty stiff competition. He’ll get in, it’s just a matter of time.

  47. cbrady2k says: Aug 3, 2011 5:41 PM

    Seriously, a HOF list and you don’t list a first ballot HOFer in Derrick Brooks? Lazy…

  48. unbiasedfootballfan says: Aug 3, 2011 5:52 PM

    bruschi had 8 division titles, 5 conf titles and 3 superbowl wins as the emotional leader and captain of the defense. Again probably not a HOF but definitely deserving of being on this list.

  49. ramcountry says: Aug 3, 2011 5:54 PM

    Receivers are tough, but Bruce should be a HOFer. Elite route runner and blocker, and seemingly could shred a secondary on any given Sunday. It won’t be first ballot, but within ten years or so of eligibility.

    Pace should be also, but injuries cut his career short, and Jones had a more productive tenure with the Seahawks. You could put Pace in ahead of Jones, MDS, but you’d be in the minority there.

    Warner will probably get in on the strength of his five best seasons(1999-01, 2008-09).

  50. bwisnasky says: Aug 3, 2011 5:55 PM

    Cliff Branch. Nuff Said.

  51. bucsfan50 says: Aug 3, 2011 5:56 PM

    I was very upset when I did not see Derrick Brooks’ name. He was my childhood idol. Easily a first ballot Hall of Famer, he revolutionized the position. Last time I checked, that’s pretty legendary. I would take a bullet for Derrick Brook’s. He changed my life, and he doesn’t even know it. He will always be a legend in my book.

  52. mdnittlion says: Aug 3, 2011 5:57 PM

    I like how despite the numbers no one ever mentions Ricky Watters go back and check the stats. Just cause he said”For who, for what” he’ll never get into the hall of fame. Compare his stats to OJ Simpson & Thurman Thomas and he’s right up there with them and in some cases higher.

  53. siggy00 says: Aug 3, 2011 5:58 PM

    Do coaches wait 5 years? Chuck Noll didn’t. So Cowher should already be eligible, no?

  54. mobuccsfan says: Aug 3, 2011 6:03 PM

    I was going to say what many have already said…Derrick Brooks! It would be absurd not to include him. I agree about Zack Thomas too. I think DB and Thomas were two of the greatest at their position…I’m partial so I give the edge to DB but you can’t overlook Thomas and I think they both were better than Bruschi. TB was just on a great team that might have or might not have cheated to greatness. Yes, Hall of Fame, should be for those that dominated and were great. Edge, sorry, just didn’t dominate…Tiki, please. Cris Carter has to get in soon, so does Reed and Brown. I personally think it should be expanded each year to add additional player to make up for lost time and cap the number at so many and stick with it. Might just have to build a bigger hall but it is what it is. There were and are a lot of players that dominate and helped make the NFL what it is and continue to make it so popular and one of the most watched sports, if not the most watched ever. That is my two pennies on the matter. As far as T.O., Moss, Harrison and Favre, regardless of what anyone thinks of them all, they all get in, with Favre being the only first-ballot despite only winning one ring. Too many records and too much of a personality/persona (hence the word ‘fame’) to not get in the first try. JMHO

  55. fhuizar says: Aug 3, 2011 6:03 PM

    Ray Guy? Roger Stalbach (sp?)? Heck Ricky Waters has more all purpose yards then some RB’s already inducted

    Some of the media has never stepped foot on a field and they vote for the ultimate honor, who are they to judge?

    Let a few select number of hall of famers vote!!

  56. tdk24 says: Aug 3, 2011 6:04 PM

    If you want to get in the HOF, you need to yell a lot and draw attention to yourself and use that to set yourself apart from the rest. By the way, when is He Hate Me eligible?

  57. falconfanva says: Aug 3, 2011 6:04 PM

    Isaac Bruce is not a HOF receiver.

    While he easily meets every performance measure which could possibly be applied, whether it be great numbers over his career, the second best yardage season in the history of the league, or post season production including a dramatic game winning Super Bowl TD, he lacked one very important quality for a WR.

    He was not a self aggrandizing arrogant weenie, like Irvin, Ocho, TO, and Moss.

    Those guys have what it takes to get into the hall.

    Sorry Isaac, your modesty didn’t serve you well here.

  58. turk2875 says: Aug 3, 2011 6:05 PM

    There is a pretty good case for Ricky Waters to get in the HOF, but his “attitude” probably gets him eliminated from HOF talks.

  59. siggy00 says: Aug 3, 2011 6:07 PM

    Yep. They now wait 5 years.

  60. vikingdoode says: Aug 3, 2011 6:09 PM

    Mick Tinglehoff and Jim Marshall should be in the Hall of Fame.

  61. seneca1ss says: Aug 3, 2011 6:12 PM

    DERRICK BROOKS !!!!!!
    DERRICK BROOKS !!!!!!!
    DERRICK BROOKS !!!!!!!!

    how’d u forget that DUDE ????????

  62. bozosforall says: Aug 3, 2011 6:13 PM

    valhallarising says:
    Aug 3, 2011 4:58 PM
    Chris Carter is arguably one of the five best receivers in NFL history. I loved Andre Reed as well but if Carter doesn’t get in now, it’s a joke.

    ___
    CHRIS Carter? The X-Files guy?

  63. avanderlay says: Aug 3, 2011 6:33 PM

    Mr. Derrick. Brooks.

  64. slickster35 says: Aug 3, 2011 7:01 PM

    Will Shields, first ballot.

    Best guard to ever suit up, period.

  65. elyasm says: Aug 3, 2011 7:02 PM

    johnnycamparm says:
    Aug 3, 2011 5:00 PM
    steel6times says: Aug 3, 2011 4:33 PM

    But do they have 6 rings? I think if you have rings that gives you the priority over others.
    ———————————————————-
    Dude,… GIVE IT A REST! I’m a Steeler fan, and even I find that “got 6 rings” thing annoying as hell. You give us a bad name. And besides, no player or coach has 6 rings, so your point is pretty freaking retarded…
    ———————————————————-
    Actually, there is one man (AFAIK) that has earned 6 Super Bowl rings. His name is Mike Woicik. He was the Strength & Conditioning Coach for the Cowboys during their dynasty run in the ’90s and for the Patriots during their dynasty run in the ’00s. He returned to the Cowboys at the end of last season.

  66. jvibottomline says: Aug 3, 2011 7:06 PM

    Ricky Watters, Roger Craig, Randy Cross, and Charles Haley; Paul Tagliabue hates the 49ers

  67. jvibottomline says: Aug 3, 2011 7:07 PM

    Eddie DeBartolo too, defined professional sports ownership in the 1980’s and 1990’s

  68. keyshawn22 says: Aug 3, 2011 7:09 PM

    Curtis Martin got robbed last year he should be the next on the list of running backs, way ahead of Bettis, Tiki and James.

    Is tiki any better than ricky watters?? Nobody thinks watters is a HOF tiki was a joke except for 3 seasons.

    Sapp should get in before Strahan, not even close either.

    Cris Carter was better than Brown or Reed even though all 3 should get it in. Harrison extremely overrated, avoided contact and product of Peyton, (hello blair white, austin collie, pierre etc) Same goes for Bruce overrated and soft.

  69. dietrich43 says: Aug 3, 2011 7:18 PM

    Don’t forget that owners and writers can get in at any time, so it wouldn’t be a surprise to see one sneak into one of the weaker classes. This was basically the point I tried to make in the Moss thread – his credentials are only part of the case – who he’s up against is part of it too. I still think that if Carter can’t get in on the first several ballots, Moss won’t get in on the first unless it’s a really weak group.

  70. leksington says: Aug 3, 2011 7:28 PM

    Michael David Smith doesn’t know offensive linemen. Larry Allen doesn’t belong in a conversation with linemen like Jonathan Ogden and Walter Jones. Larry deserves credit for his versatility, but the other two were more dominant at the premiere OL position.

    Ogden has the same amount of Pro Bowl appearances and Super Bowl rings as Larry Allan. But Ogden has 2 more All-Pro selections than Larry Allen.

    Additionally, Ogden lead a line that had a 2066 yard rusher (#2 in NFL history), and is thought of as having changed the left tackle position.

  71. bozosforall says: Aug 3, 2011 7:34 PM

    unbiasedfootballfan says:
    Aug 3, 2011 5:52 PM
    bruschi had 8 division titles, 5 conf titles and 3 superbowl wins as the emotional leader and captain of the defense. Again probably not a HOF but definitely deserving of being on this list.

    ___
    Bruschi is NOT a HOFer. In anyone’s book.

  72. tac12345 says: Aug 3, 2011 8:05 PM

    DB55 must have rubbed one out on this guys girl. Sorry Mr. Brooks, someone had to say it.

  73. themightywhitey says: Aug 3, 2011 11:30 PM

    Jonathan Ogden should get in on his 1st year , but to say he was better than Larry Allen ….WOW !

    when Ogden was in the game you never really knew it , he did his job ….but when Allen was in there ,he would splatter people . ask Greg Loyd in Super BowlXXX how it felt to be shot out of a cannon by this beast . Then ask yourself who was more valuable to their own team ? cant see Ogden playing guard to well , but when asked Allen moved from being an All Pro Guard to an All Pro Tackle

    if these two dont get in on their 1st year it would be ashame , but to say Ogden was better …..let them have a foot race to see who wins ….or maybe a bench press meet !!!!

  74. rajbais says: Aug 3, 2011 11:43 PM

    MDS … stop putting Tiki in Hall of Fame considerations!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Mike Quick (formerly of the Eagles) can’t get in and he went into more Pro Bowls than Tiki!!! An even better comparison … Ricky Watters!!!!! Why isn’t he in!!! He deserves it more than Tiki!!!! Out of 5 major categorical stats, he beats Tiki in 3!!!

    Watters (10 years played) – 10643 rush yds, 4248 rec. yds, 467 catches, 78 rush TD, 13 rec TD.

    Barber (10 years played) – 10449 rush yds, 5183 rec. yds, 586 catches, 55 rush TD, 12 rec TD.

  75. emperorzero says: Aug 4, 2011 12:56 AM

    There’s been a lot of love for Derrick Brooks, but I wuld just like to say his pick-six against Gannon and the Raiders in the Super Bowl is the fastest I have ever seen anyone run. I know Randy Moss, Deion Sanders, Darrel Green are faster, but for one play – that guy was a blur.

  76. steelerjon says: Aug 4, 2011 3:51 PM

    Who in the world is Bryant Young??? And “rajbais”, you are totally on the money. Mike Quick was one of the best WR’s of the 1980’s. Why he is not nominated is beyond me.

  77. steelerjon says: Aug 4, 2011 3:55 PM

    I loved Cowher and Parcells back in the day. They were great motivators and characters. But I never considered them innovative, which I believe is an important element for a coach to be Hall of Fame worthy.

  78. stavreafavre says: Aug 4, 2011 4:00 PM

    Jerry Kramer is the only player from the NFL’s “All – first – 50 years” team who has not been inducted into the Hall, which is a bad joke. In addition to being one of the key parts of “The Packer Sweep,” the most recognizable play of the 1960’s, Kramer won some games for the Pack as a substitute place kicker and probably sold popcorn in the stands at halftime. Six-time All-Pro… should have been in 40 years ago.

  79. bachslunch says: Aug 4, 2011 5:49 PM

    Got some issues here with the original article:

    -it’s unrealistic to think that Will Shields gets elected “first ballot,” even in a weak year. Randall McDaniel also went to 12 pro bowls and was a 1st team all pro 9 times, and he wasn’t elected until his 3rd eligible year and 2nd time as finalist. And McDaniel has three times as many 1st team all pro selections as Shields. Shields will get in, but he’ll wait a while. Larry Allen is likely the only guard with any shot at being “first ballot” in the foreseeable future.

    -historically, there isn’t a time since the 1940s that there hasn’t been a HoF center until the 1990s came around, and I’d be very surprised if that streak doesn’t continue. They may wait a while, but past voting patterns suggest that Dermontti Dawson (best 90s center) and Kevin Mawae (best 00s center) will be HoF-ers eventually. Given that Jim Ringo waited until his 9th eligible year and 7th as finalist, it’s not unlikely they’ll wait a while, too.

    -re Walter Jones vs. Orlando Pace. Am thinking Jones get elected first, as he was a 7-time 1st team all pro to Pace’s 5 times, a 9 time pro bowler to Pace’s 7 times, and unlike Pace, Jones’s career was not saddled with injury problems. Both will probably get in, but Pace likely waits longer.

    -true, Bill Parcells has been a finalist before and wasn’t elected, but that’s probably because the HoF voters weren’t sure he had really retired as a coach. And it turned out he hadn’t at the time. In fact, the 5-year waiting rule for coaches was likely instituted because of Parcells — there hadn’t been one before this.

    -Bill Cowher’s upcoming HoF case actually looks similar to those that Mike Shanahan and Mike Holmgren will present (similar number of wins, similar win percentage, similar number of SB wins), and all three will likely not get in before Tony Dungy, who has a better W-L percentage, a strong reputation for ability as an assistant coach, and the cachet of being the first coach of color to win a SB. And all will likely be seen as less worthy than Bill Belichick. Am thinking Belichick and Dungy get elected while the others might cancel each other out in a logjam with someone like Dick Vermiel.

    -the idea that Ty Law is the best DB of his era simply ignores that he’s a contemporary of three other CBs, Champ Bailey, Charles Woodson, and Ronde Barber, all of whom have comparable or better pro bowl/all pro honors. And that doesn’t even count safeties. My guess is that at least two of these other three CBs get in first, and that Law may or may not even make it in.

    -Randy Moss and Terrell Owens have their share of baggage, but I’d be very surprised if neither is elected to the HoF. Their career counting stats are too good at time of (presumed) retirement and both have a sufficient number of elite level seasons one would have to ignore.

  80. bachslunch says: Aug 4, 2011 6:11 PM

    The commenting people here are absolutely right about LBs Derrick Brooks (11 pro bowls, 6 1st team all pro selections) and Zach Thomas (7 pro bowls, 5 1st team all pro selections). Both are well-deserving of HoF membership and definitely should have been mentioned in the article above. They may not be “first ballot,” but they should get in sooner or later.

    Tedi Bruschi, however, does not have anything resembling a HoF argument. One pro bowl and no 1st team all pro selections won’t get him elected, any more than similar such numbers will help out Mike Vrabel or London Fletcher or Takeo Spikes. “Rings” and like arguments don’t make up the difference in cases like this.

  81. rexryansdirtysock says: Aug 4, 2011 6:32 PM

    Where are Rodney Harrison and John Lynch? I’m pretty sure both of them will make the Hall, even if they’re not first ballot.

    Also, Derrick Brooks not being on there is ridiculous.

    What about Drew Bledsoe? Not a first ballot and not even close to a guarantee, but he certainly will get consideration at some point.

  82. MichaelEdits says: Aug 4, 2011 9:51 PM

    Fumble Tiki Fumble!

  83. nagihcimwolves50 says: Aug 5, 2011 12:22 AM

    I’m an offensive linemen so I’m going to direct my criticism in that direction.

    1. Jerry Kramer-One of the best players on some of the best teams in NFL history. Also maybe had the most historical block in NFL history although he has much more than one play to his credit. He was the reason the Packers could run the power sweep play that dominated football.

    2. Ogden/Pace-The first dominant gigantic left tackles that simply removed the teams best pass rusher from the game. Ogden was slightly better than Pace especially when Pace tried to hang on at the end of his career but still both of them were excellent. Ogden=top 10 left tackles of all time. Pace will get in but not as a 1st ballot.

    3. Demontti Dawson-It is of my opinion that any player on the all decade team (minus special teamers) should be on the hall. Continued dominance for an entire career (one decade) is the definition of a hall of famer. Guy was a rock on the Steelers line leading the way for Bam Bam Morris, Barry Foster, Deon Perry, and the Bus for a short time.

    4. Need to mention Alan Faneca as well because him and Steve Hutchinson were by far the best guards during the 2000’s. Again best at your position for 9-10+ years equals hall of famer. Not a first ballot guy but someone who should get in.

    Little Steelers byass but that is because I watched them play and that is who I know.

  84. packerbeerman says: Aug 5, 2011 7:47 AM

    Why is Mark Gastineau not in? (other than being a dweeb) He posted 20+ sack seasons twice and had 19 another.

  85. jimmymcnultysbottleofjameson says: Aug 5, 2011 8:53 AM

    Larry Allen was an absolute animal but J.O. should go in on first year with him.

  86. bachslunch says: Aug 5, 2011 5:09 PM

    Re some of the comments:

    -folks who are pushing to elect Jerry Kramer, Mick Tingelhoff, Ray Guy, Cliff Branch, Ken Stabler, and Jim Marshall — note well that these players are only eligible now via the Seniors route. They are no longer regular candidates, which is what this article is all about. I’m all for Kramer, Tingelhoff, Guy, and Branch getting voted in eventually.

    -agreed about Alan Faneca. He’s another player who should have appeared in the original article above, and he’ll likely be elected sooner or later once he’s eligible.

    -both Joe Klecko and Mark Gastineau are among the best of the regularly eligible 80s DL not yet in. They may not get voted in, though — hard to say. I’m fine with both being in.

    -Drew Bledsoe is not at HoF level in stats, analogous to other Hall of the Very Good QBs like Boomer Esiason, Phil Simms, Vinny Testaverde, and Joe Theismann.

    -Rodney Harrison has meager postseason honors (1st team all pro/pro bowl/all decade team selections) that are well behind those of other safeties such as Ed Reed and Brian Dawkins, plus his reputation for dirty play won’t help him any. John Lynch has a better HoF case than Harrison, but behind Reed and Dawkins, and at a position the HoF voters don’t seem to like very much historically. Lynch will have trouble enough getting in, so Harrison likely isn’t going anywhere.

    -re the criminal allegations against Marvin Harrison. Note well that the HoF specifically says that off-field issues are not to be considered by HoF voters, so in theory this should make no difference. Harrison likely will get in, and his on-field performance numbers look more than worthy enough.

    -I doubt Tiki Barber or Priest Holmes will get in the HoF — their careers are just too short — and that likely holds for Clinton Portis and Shaun Alexander and Jamal Lewis also. And Fred Taylor’s lack of peak value will keep him out as well. There’s always a chance one or two of these RBs might sneak in during a lean year, but I wouldn’t bet on it. Edgerrin James however is more likely, as he has enough strong seasons and enough longevity to get high up in lifetime counting stats. Am guessing the voters will draw the line behind James for HoF RBs of the period, as it’s probable someone other than LaDanian Tomlinson from the 00s is elected.

    -Bryant Young is in fact a well-regarded 49ers DT from the 90s, and if he weren’t behind players like Warren Sapp and Cortez Kennedy, he might have had an outside shot at making the HoF. But with this much competition, probably not.

    -Mike Quick doesn’t stand a chance at HoF election. Compare to another short career WR, Sterling Sharpe, who is more highly regarded and then consider that Sharpe likely won’t get voted in, either. And WR peers with longer careers such as Henry Ellard and Stanley Morgan and Irving Fryar have better cases than Quick and will probably struggle to get in, too. WRs get minimal love from HoF voters anyway.

    -both Rickey Watters and Roger Craig are likely being seen as poor-man’s versions of Marshall Faulk — not unreasonable, actually — which is why both will likely not be elected.

    -Randy Cross’s postseason honors are meager, and given how much Russ Grimm struggled to get elected, Cross simply has no chance.

  87. nctech says: Aug 7, 2011 5:39 PM

    @fhuizar

    Ray Guy? Roger Stalbach (sp?)? Heck Ricky Waters has more all purpose yards then some RB’s already inducted

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    Roger Staubach is already in the Hall of Fame (1985).

  88. shackdelrio says: Aug 8, 2011 4:45 PM

    Odgen >>>> Allen, Pace

  89. torturedraiderfan says: Aug 9, 2011 3:30 PM

    Ray Guy redefined special teams by using a punter as an offensive weapon. If he isn’t in the HOF, NO kicker derseves to be there, not even Jan Stenerud. In my opinion, Ray Guy should be a lock and he isn’t in……makes the HOF a sham.

  90. broncobillie says: Aug 9, 2011 6:27 PM

    I like Rod Smith because he personifies what’s good in the NFL – passed over/not drafted, worked hard, got good, got better through hard work, stayed good over a very long period, won a Superbowl, retired with class. Of course, he wasn’t a prima donna, and that may hurt him. See Tim Brown.

    Too bad, though.

  91. nickster2k says: Aug 9, 2011 11:20 PM

    ============================
    nickster31 says:
    Aug 3, 2011 4:57 PM

    WHAT? Bill Cowher is responsible for choking in the playoffs time and time and time again, and still given a TON of chances, over and over and over again.

    Cowher was LUCKY to get a job like the Steelers head coach, and was LUCKY to keep it. He won AFC Central championships because the Browns, Bengals, Oilers and Jaguars (once they came) were poor teams, NOT because Cowher was so great.

    If you would have had a coach like Jimmy Johnson, Mike Shannahan (used to be a great coach), or any other above average coach for the 16 years Cowher was on the Steelers sideline, the Steelers would be sitting with 8-9 Lombardi Trophies right now!

    And YES, I am a life long Steelers fan!

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    If you really were a lifelong Steelers fan, then you would know that:

    – Cowher’s playoff record was 12 – 9. (Better than Parcell’s 11 – 8). Hardly what I would call “choking”.

    – You don’t get to two SB’s (and win one) by “choking” in the playoffs.

    – Chuck Noll was abyssmal in the 80’s. They missed the playoffs 7 out of 8 seasons before Cowher took over and turned the franchise around.

    – Noll didn’t have to deal with free agency as Cowher did. How many SB’s would Cowher have won if he could have held on to such players as Chad Brown, Leon Searcy, Neil Odonnel, Kevin Green, Rod Woodson, Yancey Thigpen, etc?

    – As inept as you think the AFC Central/North was during Cowhers tenure, they did have 4 teams represent the AFC during that stretch (Titans, Ravens, Steelers twice) and Jacksonville was consistently one of the best teams in the AFC as well.

    – Cowher had the misfortune of having Kordell Stewart as his QB for much of his career (but still inexplicably had some success with him). When he finally had a great QB he went 15 – 1 in Roethlisbergers first year then won a SB in his second.

    – By the way, Cowher coached 15 seasons, not 16.

  92. legendaryjedeye says: Aug 10, 2011 5:47 AM

    Ok scratch Tiki and Mcnair off this list. These dudes are not HOF material. Who ever is voting, why isn’t Chris Carter and Andre Reed already inducted? Rod Smith…for real?

  93. gatherspeed says: Aug 10, 2011 9:02 AM

    (whose your favorite player)…Mr. Derrick Brooks

  94. channingcrowder says: Aug 10, 2011 4:26 PM

    Where am I on the list for 2016??? Don’t you know who I am? It’s me, Channing Crowder, the greatest linebacker of all time!! Why do you think I am retiring at such a young age? To be in the same category as Barry Sanders of course.

  95. killerontherampage says: Aug 13, 2011 11:14 AM

    chris carter is a turd who also happens to be a self made man who loves his maker.Brian mitchell should be in there over him anyday!parcells,cowher,both deserve a 1st ballott vote in,so does tim brown.why the hell ray guy is’nt in the HOF is beyond me! the only punter ever taken in round one certain should have been in there on his 1st try!

  96. pigskinswag says: Aug 17, 2011 1:26 PM

    I’d put Ronde in the HOF before Tiki

  97. deadmanwalking47 says: Aug 26, 2011 4:24 PM

    no way would i vote for tiki barber in the HOF! brian mitchell deserves it,and even though i hate him as an announcer and hated him as a player,chris carter derves it even if he’ll pat his back all the way in.and it’s an absolute shame that jerry kramer is not in the HOF! he deserves a place before richard dent or don hampton do!

  98. fllende says: Aug 29, 2011 10:18 PM

    Derrick Brooks, Warren Sapp, John Lynch, and Rhonde Barber will all be HOF in that order. Brooks and Sapp 1st ballot.

    Dude, Mr Derrick Brooks deserves an apology for being left out of the article.

  99. melonnhead says: Aug 30, 2011 1:42 AM

    Ogden has the same amount of Pro Bowl appearances and Super Bowl rings as Larry Allan. But Ogden has 2 more All-Pro selections than Larry Allen.

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    But he wasn’t All Pro at two OL positions like Larry Allen. Allen wasn’t just “versatile”, he was dominant at G and LT. In 1998, Larry Allen was first team All Pro and Ogden was second team. And if he’s stayed a LT, he would have continued to beat Ogden out. Just so happens the Cowboys drafted Flozell Adams in 1998 and wanted him to start at LT in ’99.

    And Ogden wasn’t selected a member of two separate NFL All Decade Teams, unlike Larry Allen.

  100. owen4bills says: Sep 22, 2011 7:23 PM

    Brooks ommission gross oversite.

  101. owen4bills says: Sep 22, 2011 7:28 PM

    Terrell Davis more deserving than Martin, Bettis, Barber, Holmes.

  102. owen4bills says: Sep 22, 2011 7:31 PM

    Some of these WRs aren’t going to make it: Reed, Carter, Brown, Rod Smith, Harrison, Bruce, Holt, Moss, Owens, Fitzgerald, Boldin, Ward, Steve Smith, etc. (Sorry Rod) If Swann had to wait until 14th time or Monk until 8th time as finalist, some of these may have a long wait. Irvin should have had to wait longer.

  103. owen4bills says: Sep 22, 2011 7:32 PM

    Why is McNair even mentioned?

  104. owen4bills says: Sep 22, 2011 7:52 PM

    Jack Kemp 7 time all star, MVP, 2-3 champion

  105. owen4bills says: Sep 22, 2011 7:59 PM

    First ballot – Warner, Favre, Shields, Allen, Ogden, Pace, Strahan, Brooks, Seau, Moss, TO, Harrison

  106. owen4bills says: Sep 22, 2011 8:00 PM

    Guarenteed First ballot, not yet retired – Manning (Peyton), Brady, Gonzalez, Ray Lewis.

  107. owen4bills says: Sep 22, 2011 8:02 PM

    On track for possible future first ballot – Roethlisberger, Brees, Peterson…..Cam Newton.

  108. owen4bills says: Sep 22, 2011 8:04 PM

    Another first ballot guarantee- Belichick

  109. owen4bills says: Sep 22, 2011 8:08 PM

    Missed Wayne in my WR list repost. One more for the List.

  110. owen4bills says: Sep 22, 2011 8:10 PM

    Missed Reggie Wayne in my WR list repost. One more for the List.

  111. owen4bills says: Sep 22, 2011 8:13 PM

    Another guaranteed first ballot – Tomlinson. Had on one of my posts that didn’t make it.

    Possible future first ballots – Urlacher, Bailey, Woodson, Freeny, Dawkins, Sharper, Law, Ed Reed.

  112. owen4bills says: Sep 22, 2011 8:14 PM

    Willie Roaf deserves in.

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