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Battle lines drawn on whether Tim Tebow will succeed

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On Wednesday, ESPN analyst and former NFL fullback Merril Hoge took to Twitter with a stream of messages critical of Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow’s abilities.

The remarks, coming at a time when the Broncos apparently are shaking up their quarterback depth chart in response to Tebow’s early struggles in camp, created a Twitter firestorm, with Tebow’s name quickly landing among the most-used phrases on the 140-character-or-less communication service.

One person who knows a thing or two about being the subject of Twitter criticism jumped into this red state/blue state athletics issue, throwing his full support behind Tebow.

Tim Tebow will succeed in the NFL,” LeBron James wrote on Twitter, via ESPN.com.  “He’s a hard worker, a student of the game, a natural born leader and most of all a WINNER! It takes time and he’ll be nice.”

It’s a common sentiment that automatically comes from those predisposed to liking Tebow, especially when Tebow is criticized.  And while those who feel that way may ultimately be vindicated, they don’t want to even entertain the possibility that Tebow may not become a star.

Equally closed-minded are those who think Tebow will fail.  And those folks got more raw meat when Hoge took to ESPN’s SportsCenter on Wednesday to continue to make his case.

“He is awful as far as accuracy goes and what’s kind of even more disturbing, he’s probably worse moving and running around with the football and throwing than he is from the pocket,” Hoge said.  “Can you get better there?  A little bit.  If everything is perfect, the pocket, your feet are good, all your fundamentals come into place, the coverage is what you want it, you can be successful.  But that doesn’t happen at the National Football League.  Rarely does that happen.”

That prompted LeBron to chime in again, with his goofy reasoning that only those who could play the game as well or better than the men they are criticizing should have the ability to criticize them.  “Listened to Merril Hoge today on SC and he was just blasting Tebow,” LeBron said.  “The man hasn’t even play a full season and its only his 2nd year in.  Guys get on that TV and act like they was all WORLD when they played.  How bout encouraging him and wishing him the best instead of hating!!”

Criticism, LeBron, isn’t “hating.”  It’s analysis.  It’s what guys like Hoge are paid to do.

We realize that men who are used to being coddled and praised their entire lives don’t like it when they hit the highest stage and face something other than coddling and praise from the media, but it’s astounding that so many athletes immediately assume that a fair effort to point out flaws, weaknesses, and/or areas for potential improvement automatically becomes in the players’ eyes a personal attack.

Tebow, as he always does, took the high road.  “Hey Merril…… ‘ppreciate that,” Tebow said, echoing the “they said I couldn’t do it” theme of his FRS commercial.

But using criticism as motivation will take a guy only so far.  At some point, the question becomes whether he has it or he doesn’t.  Hoge, based on careful study of the games in which Tebow played last year, thinks that as of right now he doesn’t.  Given that Tebow entered camp a week ago with the starting job his to lose and in light of the apparent fact that he’s already lost it, new Broncos coach John Fox apparently agrees.

Maybe LeBron would say that John Fox is a hater.

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74 Responses to “Battle lines drawn on whether Tim Tebow will succeed”
  1. bbb82 says: Aug 4, 2011 7:12 AM

    If Lebron had, at the very least, spent a year or two in college, I think he’d be far better off than he is today. He comes off as a bit of an idiot.

  2. 7to10for6allday says: Aug 4, 2011 7:16 AM

    Tebow sucks, when you get drafted in the first round you should be able to out play orton. He was overdrafted and the person who Fu$$Ed up is no longer there. Just collect your money and maybe be a serviceable journeyman. Other than that, you suck!

  3. woodg8 says: Aug 4, 2011 7:16 AM

    what does lebron know about being a winner

  4. pfii63 says: Aug 4, 2011 7:16 AM

    LeBron is the last person I would listen to regarding just about anything. Who really cares what that quitter thinks?

  5. quirtevans says: Aug 4, 2011 7:16 AM

    LBJ has an incredibly thin skin. Anyone who follows basketball at all knows that. You have to take anything he says with a grain of salt.

  6. fallcoon says: Aug 4, 2011 7:17 AM

    Welcome to the NFL.

  7. tfbuckfutter says: Aug 4, 2011 7:21 AM

    The only way Tebow will succeed is if he prays more than his competition.

    If he doesn’t succeed at football it’s because he’s a failure at his religion.

    It’s as simple as that.

  8. wryly1 says: Aug 4, 2011 7:21 AM

    Can’t be any debate over LeBron’s leadership ability and clutch play, can there?

  9. ruckthefaiders says: Aug 4, 2011 7:23 AM

    Tim Tebow definately has “it” and he makes everyone around him believe in him and themselves. Is that enough to win games? I don’t know if this man will succeed or not. Neither does anyone else. If he doesn’t it won’t be for a lack of trying. I say give him the reins and if he doesn’t show something then we go after one of the big three coming out next year. Orton is a nice guy and does a serviceable job but when the pocket breaks down he flops almost as bad as pay-ton. Plus he doesn’t have a clutch bone in his body. You know if you are down late you are going to stay down. He just doesn’t have it. We know we are rebuilding and the future looks very bright with the people they have put together so give him his shot and lets put all the what if’s to rest.

  10. deanvernonwormer says: Aug 4, 2011 7:23 AM

    Let the kid sit behind Orton for a season or two and he’ll be just fine. He’s a winner and will succeed in the NFL if allowed to mature and given the chance.

  11. eahenry says: Aug 4, 2011 7:23 AM

    That sounds like another Lebron and Reggie Bush “Bring your talents to south beach” plug. Tebow to Miami? Maybe?

  12. electricrelish says: Aug 4, 2011 7:25 AM

    There is a huge difference between someone who plays the game professionally and someone who just watches tape or film. It’s really video tape that they are watching shot with a video camera. Film is something that is much more expensive to get, so that’s just reserved for NFL Films, but most everything we see regarding football is video.

    Why am I making this distinction? Because I work in the film industry, and there’s a huge difference between a person who goes to the movies and gives their opinion about a film compared to someone who works on films. They have a different perspective, so I agree with LeBron. It doesn’t mean one opinion is more valid than the other, but sometimes the opinions of the professionals who play the game bring more knowledge to a conversation compared to the persons who sit on the sidelines and just watch and criticize, which is the easiest thing to do.

  13. 6thsense79 says: Aug 4, 2011 7:26 AM

    Sigh…..This whole Tim Tebow fiasco is a mess. He was drafted too high by a guy who obviously knew nothing about evaluating talent (thanks Josh McD)…..Didn’t Josh McD once trade a future 1st round pick so he could draft a then current 2nd rounder…Ah the Josh McDaniel era (or should I say error)….

    I think Tebow was arguably the one Bronco who’s development was hurt the most because of the lockout. I think QBs (with a few exceptions) more than any position need the tutelage of the coaching staff to really succeed at least early on in their career. In anycase I’m squarely in the camp that thinks Tebow is at best the 2nd best QB on the Broncos. That opinion seems to be the prevailing one amongst the people that count (Denver coaching staff). Of all the problems the Broncos faced last year QB play should be near the bottom of that list. Their Defense was horrendous, their running game was in the witness protection program, their coaching decisions left a lot to be desired. The only bright spot was their QB play and Wide receivers. The way their passing game was clicking through the first 2/3 of the season should have translated into more wins but alas football is a sport where most of the team has to be clicking to win. Leave Orton alone. Fix the rest of the team and enjoy a playoff birth.

  14. jkb0162 says: Aug 4, 2011 7:27 AM

    Don’t think Tebow has the pocket-precensce or footwork to be a starter yet, but he is a smart kid and needs some more time to develop. It’s too early for either side to weigh in on his abilities to succeed.

  15. gbsparks says: Aug 4, 2011 7:27 AM

    LeBron James is absolutely the first celebrity I would consult regarding NFL player evaluations. Absolutely the first.

  16. electricrelish says: Aug 4, 2011 7:28 AM

    Historically, John Fox prefers veteran players, so there’s really no surprise here.

  17. innerlign says: Aug 4, 2011 7:29 AM

    Tebow is not a pro quarterback, it’s easy to see. Silver lining here is that he is going to use his status to do good in the world, and for that he gets my utmost respect.

  18. ICDogg says: Aug 4, 2011 7:29 AM

    Duh. Winning!

  19. gbryan12000 says: Aug 4, 2011 7:32 AM

    Tim Tebow is a polarizing figure not because of his ability to play football but because of his stand on being a Christian first. If Merril Hoge would look at not what was left on the table the three games Tim started and looked at what was done, he would see that Tim does have the ability to lead this team. There was no excitement in Mudville with Kyle at the plate. Neither was their any points or wins. But with Tim, more points were scored, and the reality is that Denver was in the game up to the end. I have watched the Broncos since the 60’s and have felt excitement at the QB position only twice, Elway and now Tebow. Rather than spend another year in mediocrity with Kyle (Steve Tensi or Ramsey or Deberg would fill in as well), we need to let Tim develop. He has the will, the talent and the determination to get better. That wins out in the long run. If Merril Hoge had half of that, people would still remember that he was a player of note rather than a note on a list of players.

  20. swg777 says: Aug 4, 2011 7:37 AM

    This is a dreadful analysis. You write “Given that Tebow entered camp a week ago with the starting job his to lose and in light of the apparent fact that he’s already lost it…” This is completely wrong. John Fox has been saying for the last seven months that Orton was his starter. Tebow has started with the second team since day one of training camp. He hasn’t “lost” anything. Please do more homework.

  21. bhester1906 says: Aug 4, 2011 7:38 AM

    Wow Lebron is on Profootballtalk now. Sometimes I think he jut knows when to butt in and get some attention. Reminds me alot of 50 cent when he was collecting all this publicity.

  22. grizzlybear34 says: Aug 4, 2011 7:39 AM

    Steve Young will never make it either.

    Not saying Tebow will ever carry Young’s jock, but give the guy a chance to show what he’s got. He has leadership in spades, decent wheels, big as a horse for a QB. I am not betting against him succeeding…

  23. mjposner says: Aug 4, 2011 7:41 AM

    Merril Hoge is, imho, one of the worst analysts of the game, because it is obvious that he has substantial biases against certain players and teams. This is his schtick, and he goes completely over board to make his case.

    I have seen every game Tebow played as a gator, and while certainly not perfect, he was as accurate as any other college football quaterback outside a few top 10 guys. He made all of the throws at a 60%+ clip.

    He may not make it in the NFL as a QB, but a raw talent like that needs time, just like Elway.

  24. rebelphotographer says: Aug 4, 2011 7:42 AM

    Oh, but he’s such a nice boy, that Tebow.

  25. poodawg says: Aug 4, 2011 7:43 AM

    “The man hasn’t even play a full season and its only his 2nd year in. ”

    And he’s horrible.

    Carson Palmer was in this situation, and he took a team from the basement to an AFCN Championship. Roethlisberger was in the same situation, and he won a Super Bowl.

    Tebow is overrated, and I mean that in an honest way. Everybody made him out to be the next Manning without having taken a single NFL snap, and now people are surprised?

  26. pigskin28 says: Aug 4, 2011 7:45 AM

    I’ve never been a Tebow guy cause there’s just too much hype there.
    However, the tone from some of these analyst can be pretty negative and personal. Besides why would you give analysis on twittter? I thought he’s only paid for his analysis on ESPN’airwaves.

    These media guys are begining to cross the line. The tone leaves something to be desired and they seem to criticize not just the past actions or performance but proclaim these players unfit to even yry.

  27. cbass59 says: Aug 4, 2011 7:48 AM

    Why does anyone care what Lebron says about football?

  28. joeinoh says: Aug 4, 2011 7:51 AM

    LeBron, Lord of No Rings, chimes in about player development in the NFL? Why? Where was LeBron during the Debt Ceiling debate? Isn’t/wasn’t that a bit more important? His opinion would be just as valued in that forum.

  29. doggz109 says: Aug 4, 2011 7:53 AM

    Tebow put up more avg points per game at the end of the year with his “horrible” mechanics than Orton was able to do over the rest of the year.

    Some players don’t look “pretty” but they get it done where it counts.

    It is a shame though – this lockout took a TON of potential development/chemistry with WR from Tebow.

  30. deddmunnie says: Aug 4, 2011 7:57 AM

    I mean good for tebow for the response to Hoge…. Who I cant friggin stand, but the guy seems to know what he’s talking about most times. He’s a bit fanatical for an “analyst” though. In the end I think tebow becomes nothing much, but more for not living up to the hype more than anything else. In the NFL he’s just a guy and its gonna take a little time for all his college shine to dull.

  31. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Aug 4, 2011 7:57 AM

    Tebow is unproven, James is a fraud, and Hodge is an asshat.

    Hodge’s catch phrase: “…he really does ____ well. You know who else does ____ well, the Pittsburgh Steelers.”

  32. josh928 says: Aug 4, 2011 8:00 AM

    Tebow has spent ONE year as a backup so far why are people treating him like he should be ready right now? Aaron Rodgers spent how many years as backup? And I think it’s about time for all the Lebron jealousy/hate to stop. It’s nice to see that all u people seem to know exactly what he should do and how he should play but get over that he’s a grown man and gets to make his own decisions. Best player in the world right now.

  33. 6thsense79 says: Aug 4, 2011 8:02 AM

    doggz109 says:Aug 4, 2011 7:53 AM

    Tebow put up more avg points per game at the end of the year with his “horrible” mechanics than Orton was able to do over the rest of the year.

    Some players don’t look “pretty” but they get it done where it counts.

    It is a shame though – this lockout took a TON of potential development/chemistry with WR from Tebow.
    —————————————————–
    You mean Tebow put up more points at the end of the year where teams that have made the playoffs rest most of their starters and those that are out of the playoffs are starting their non starters to evaluate them for next season? Shocking!!

  34. ibeshane says: Aug 4, 2011 8:03 AM

    I’m surprised LeBron didn’t publicize he was going to post a tweet about Tebow at least a week in advance. He could have made some serious cash from the TV Networks/Media and perhaps even Twitter…

  35. steelerfan77 says: Aug 4, 2011 8:12 AM

    Is Kyle Ortin really any better? You must give Tebow a chance to grow and mature, let him play back to back games and seasons. The whole QB controversy hurts more than the QB, it hurts the O-line and defense.

  36. tomosbornesretirementcostjoepaatitle says: Aug 4, 2011 8:13 AM

    @ electricrelish

    So are you saying the opinions of Merrill Hoge, who played for years in the NFL, and John Fox, who has coached for years in the NFL, are less valid than those of Lebron, who has zero NFL experience?

  37. labrownjames says: Aug 4, 2011 8:18 AM

    Hey LeBron,
    You’re an idiot..certainly not a winner…what do you know about a college player, the nfl, or winning? you’re a loser and a quitter…hey wait a minute, quitter rhymes with twitter! Nothing else better to do?

  38. alexr5111 says: Aug 4, 2011 8:22 AM

    I don’t like Lebron and I don’t like the use of the word “hater”, but if there was ever a situation for it to be used, it’s when describing the people who root for Tim Tebow to fail. He’s done everything right in his career. He’s a good guy, works his butt off, his teammates like him..and yet people are dying to see him fail. It’s either because they’ve had enough of hearing about him (he doesn’t run ESPN so I’m not sure how that’s his fault), or because he’s left so many defeated college fanbases in his wake.

  39. tatum064 says: Aug 4, 2011 8:26 AM

    ruckthefaiders says:
    Aug 4, 2011 7:23 AM
    Tim Tebow definately has “it” and he makes everyone around him believe in him and themselves. Is that enough to win games? I don’t know if this man will succeed or not. Neither does anyone else. If he doesn’t it won’t be for a lack of trying. I say give him the reins and if he doesn’t show something then we go after one of the big three coming out next year. Orton is a nice guy and does a serviceable job but when the pocket breaks down he flops almost as bad as pay-ton.
    =============================
    He really had “it” against us last year. 59-14, another loss in Oakland
    You’d think he’d get the reins at least for a year, and Fox/Elway didnt even do that – and rightfully so.
    JaMarcus Russell even led a comeback v. Denver, so they should give Tebow a chance.

  40. davoider says: Aug 4, 2011 8:27 AM

    This is a dreadful analysis. You write “Given that Tebow entered camp a week ago with the starting job his to lose and in light of the apparent fact that he’s already lost it…” This is completely wrong. John Fox has been saying for the last seven months that Orton was his starter. Tebow has started with the second team since day one of training camp. He hasn’t “lost” anything. Please do more homework.

    —————

    Is that right? So your telling me the Broncos weren’t heavily shopping Orton at the start of camp with Tebow and Orton evenely splitting first team reps?

    Now Tebow is splitting 2nd team reps, locked in a battle with BRADY QUINN to determine who the #2 will be. That should tell you everything you need to know about how his camp has gone. If that isn’t enough, watch the un-cut highlights from the camp. Its easily the worst showing from a QB in shorts I have ever seen, he goes from overthrowing receivers by 5 yards to bouncing it to them, he is far from ready to play QB in shorts, how do you expect the guy to succeed when the defense is actually trying to hinder him?

  41. TheDPR says: Aug 4, 2011 8:29 AM

    I honestly don’t care what Hoge OR LeBron have to say about Tebow.

    When Jaws states publicly that Tebow’s flaws are too great to be overcome, THEN I will write the guy off.

    Until that happens, how about we let the guy continue to train and learn and be coached up?

  42. 28allday says: Aug 4, 2011 8:30 AM

    For the record, tebow was 1-2 as a starter averaging 25pts a game, 7 total td’s with 3 picks. He beat the texans and lost to the chargers (by one score) and lost his first start against the raiders.

    I think too many people get caught up in mechanics. Yes, everyone would love a prototypical QB but it is possible to succeed if you aren’t- tarkenton, Cunningham, Vick…

    All I’m saying is give the guy some time. Denver has a 0 percent chance of doing anything in the AFC this year anyway…

  43. jimmysee says: Aug 4, 2011 8:30 AM

    No one knows yet if he “sucks” or will be great. He’s a kid barely one year removed from college. He needs coaching and experience.

    Wasn’t Troy Aikman 1-15 in his first year with Dallas?

  44. davoider says: Aug 4, 2011 8:31 AM

    If the argument, right now, is whether or not Tebow is a great person, there is no debate, he is.

    If the argument, right now, is whether or not Tebow is a great motivator, there is no question, he is.

    If the argument, right now, is whether or not Tebow is a great leader, there is no question, he is.

    If the argument, right now, is whether or not Tebow is an accurate enough QB to succeed in the NFL, there is no question, he is not.

    If you put all of this analysis together, you get all the makings of a great coach, not a great player. Maybe that could change in a couple of years of work, but as of right now he is much better suited to coach than play.

  45. geauxjay says: Aug 4, 2011 8:31 AM

    Reporting LeBron’s tweets as news? Who do you think you are, ESPN?

    I sure hope OchoCinco and Lady GaGa weigh in on this too

  46. tatum064 says: Aug 4, 2011 8:33 AM

    gbryan12000 says:
    Aug 4, 2011 7:32 AM
    Tim Tebow is a polarizing figure not because of his ability to play football but because of his stand on being a Christian first. If Merril Hoge would look at not what was left on the table the three games Tim started and looked at what was done, he would see that Tim does have the ability to lead this team. There was no excitement in Mudville with Kyle at the plate. Neither was their any points or wins. But with Tim, more points were scored, and the reality is that Denver was in the game up to the end. I have watched the Broncos since the 60′s and have felt excitement at the QB position only twice, Elway and now Tebow. Rather than spend another year in mediocrity with Kyle (Steve Tensi or Ramsey or Deberg would fill in as well), we need to let Tim develop. He has the will, the talent and the determination to get better. That wins out in the long run. If Merril Hoge had half of that, people would still remember that he was a player of note rather than a note on a list of players.
    =========================
    1. They had a trade READY to go or else they wouldnt have been talking about so much. Miami was going to get Orton
    2. Tim Tebow looked HORRIBLE, Hoge wouldnt have said it
    3. It was how bad his accuracy was dating back to Senior Bowl , which was a sticking point
    4. John Fox didnt draft him, and was not about to let somebody he didnt draft wreck his first season
    5. Stop using “being a Christian” has nothing to do with this at all. He will at least be able to do some good in the world, but did he really have to do the commercials, charge for autographs
    6. Lets face it. In an era of stabbings (Brandon Marshall), self-shootings (P.Burress), dog mauling (M.Vick) we need a Tim Tebow to succeed. And thats the real reality.

  47. rethinklogic says: Aug 4, 2011 8:45 AM

    Can we stop with the “it” factor, “intangibles” and “leadership qualities”. what does any of that matter if your mechanics suck, footwork is awful and you lack accuracy. It took two practices for the Broncos to swollow thier pride and realise this.

  48. bemsqua says: Aug 4, 2011 8:45 AM

    Does anyone really care what Hoge says?

    Isn’t he the same guy that said Aaron Rodgers wouldn’t succeed in the NFL?

    The guy just wants publicity. What better way to get your name in the news then say a well liked player is “awful” and then make it public through twitter. Did he come down on anyone else with such a negative “analysis”? Of course not……but he did get his name on every major internet site and all over sportscenter. Good job, Hoge. Most of us had forgot about you.

  49. fwippel says: Aug 4, 2011 8:46 AM

    I listened to Hoge state his case this morning again, and while I understand some of what he’s saying, he’s become emotionally invested (i.e. obsessed) with this, which is just ridiculous.

    Most football followers agree that Tebow was not worth a first round pick. But Hoge’s suggestion that Tebow wasn’t good enough to be drafted at all is deranged. Tebow was the starting QB for a national champion, and nearly won it twice. He was too productive as a college player for NFL teams to ignore. And yes, while his mechanics aren’t that of Tom Brady, so what? Tebow, like most rookies, struggled with his accuracy. However, it’s not like he stunk up the joint last year when he played (5 TDs, 3 Ints, 8 yards per attempt, 82 passer rating).

    Tebow will work hard to improve his play, and at some point, he may be good enough to be a full-time starter. However, for Hoge to come out and essentially label him the next Spergon Wynn or Babe Laufenberg is not rational.

    The sad part about this is Hoge has become so obsessed with this debate that he is ensuring that his career as a analyst depends on Tebow failing as a professional QB. That is much more pathetic than anything Tebow will ever do on the field (or off it for that matter).

  50. whatever82 says: Aug 4, 2011 8:50 AM

    Please Hoge said A. Rodgers would fail in the NFL. For that reason alone no one should ever listen to him.

    It’s hard to take Hoge seriously. Guy acted like Tebow had run over his dog over something.

  51. bonniebengal says: Aug 4, 2011 8:53 AM

    QUOTE: Poodawg says: ” Carson Palmer was in this situation, and he took a team from the basement to an AFCN Championship. Roethlisberger was in the same situation, and he won a Super Bowl.”

    I’ll tell you one thing for sure: Tebow would never quit on his teammates the way Carson did no matter who his owner was.

  52. rmk001 says: Aug 4, 2011 8:56 AM

    Tebow sux

  53. kiltherl says: Aug 4, 2011 9:02 AM

    “Lord of no rings” lmao love it

  54. gosuhgo says: Aug 4, 2011 9:04 AM

    Well now that Lebron is making outlandish statements about a sport he doesn’t even play I think that opens the door for the rest of us. So I’m better than Tom Brady and Payton is overrated.

  55. lbcoach34 says: Aug 4, 2011 9:10 AM

    No such thing as “good” or “constructive” criticism – it’s all bad – and I agree with LEBron that it’s synonymous with “hating”. I don’t think Hoge was acting like he was all World – but he was pretty damn good anyway – he is doing his job. The biggest problem I have with this is LeBron claiming to know what a “winner” or “natural born leader” is made of…maybe he knows because he’s a “natural born follower”

  56. jpmelon says: Aug 4, 2011 9:12 AM

    @ electricrelish

    Are you saying that Lebron is an expert because he plays for the NFL? Or are you saying that Tebow has an advantage over fans because he gets to watch “film” instead of “video”?

    In either case, you’re so wrong and misinformed that I just got a headache from reading your post.

    In response to the thread…..Let Tebow sit on the bench for a season behind Orton. Obviously he’s not ready for the job right now, so just let the guy sit behind a QB who played very well last year and learn……Lebron is an idiot.

  57. lbcoach34 says: Aug 4, 2011 9:13 AM

    Tebow should take his talents to Green Bay and back up Aaron Rodgers

  58. stevebarlow says: Aug 4, 2011 9:19 AM

    In 2 years Tim Tebow will be in Philadelphia at the Andy Reid School of Quarterbacking.

  59. johnstofa says: Aug 4, 2011 9:31 AM

    Analysis my a$$……guys like Hoge benefit if they are on the front end of a prediction so for them to publicly beat the drum against a player it makes it more difficult for that player to perform.

    The problem is he has to be stirring the pot to stay relevant or the next charismatic retiring player will take his spot.

  60. bunkmcnulty says: Aug 4, 2011 9:41 AM

    The best thing about all this is we know LeBron watches TV and hears media criticism. There are times I wonder how much super stars listen to media outlets. I know this is not his sport, but the way he is standing up for Tebow seems like maybe LeBron is indirectly fighting back against hating on stars or athletes in general. Something that has impacted him.

    I have a sense of satisfaction knowing LeBron has heard all the criticism of himself. How’s it taste LeBron? I would have no problem ultimately with him, except for “The Decision.” Quiting on his team in Cleveland and not telling Gilbert before he made his “Decision” just make him a schmuck.

  61. ruckthefaiders says: Aug 4, 2011 9:46 AM

    @tatum064

    Did you watch the games last year??? the arse whoopin you put on us was at our house not in joke-land and Timmy was NOT the starting QB. That game got out of hand and was one of those “every dog has their day” games that he couldn’t have made a difference anyhow. Please don’t comment unless you know what the f u’r talking about!

  62. captainslapnuts says: Aug 4, 2011 9:48 AM

    If Lebron had, at the very least, spent a year or two in college, I think he’d be far better off than he is today. He comes off as a bit of an idiot.

    —–

    My personal feelings for LeBron aside, this tweet isn’t him being an idiot. This tweet is exactly what the Tebow defenders say verbatim. So, I’ll agree with the above statement as long as the dots are connected.

  63. sportswannabe says: Aug 4, 2011 9:49 AM

    jpmelon says: Aug 4, 2011 9:12 AM

    @ electricrelish

    Are you saying that Lebron is an expert because he plays for the NFL? Or are you saying that Tebow has an advantage over fans because he gets to watch “film” instead of “video”?

    In either case, you’re so wrong and misinformed that I just got a headache from reading your post.

    In response to the thread…..Let Tebow sit on the bench for a season behind Orton. Obviously he’s not ready for the job right now, so just let the guy sit behind a QB who played very well last year and learn……Lebron is an idiot.

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    LeBron may be “an idiot”, but he’s right. Hoge didn’t just say “let him sit on the bench for a year”, he said “he can’t play.” Tebow’s had an opportunity to start 3 games, and Hoge has already condemned his whole career. It’s obviously a publicity ploy. Maybe Tebow will be a failure, maybe not, but he hasn’t even had a shot yet and Hoge has already proclaimed it over.

    And he kills Tebow’s accuracy, but most rookies struggle with accuracy. Peyton Manning had 56% completion percentage, compared to Tim Tebow’s 50 percent. So what say we give it some time, Hogey?

  64. rmzthefirst says: Aug 4, 2011 9:54 AM

    Just let Tebow go….. Some team in FL just might love to have him home again…!

  65. jonscoit says: Aug 4, 2011 10:54 AM

    Yes, both sides are “equally closed-minded.”

    Some people think Tebow has significant mechanical problems throwing a football that he has been unable to correct. Hoge further noted that he’s never seen a single example of this happening once someone gets to the NFL.

    Other people think Tebow has moxie. I find this an interesting response, in that it fails utterly to counter the arguments against Tebow succeeding by anything other than wishful thinking.

    It’s not as if Tebow will be the first (or 20th) QB picked in the first round to fail…

  66. sportswannabe says: Aug 4, 2011 12:15 PM

    Yes, both sides are “equally closed-minded.”

    Some people think Tebow has significant mechanical problems throwing a football that he has been unable to correct. Hoge further noted that he’s never seen a single example of this happening once someone gets to the NFL.

    Other people think Tebow has moxie. I find this an interesting response, in that it fails utterly to counter the arguments against Tebow succeeding by anything other than wishful thinking.

    It’s not as if Tebow will be the first (or 20th) QB picked in the first round to fail…
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    He should probably watch some San Diego Charger game tape. Or even old Titans tape, because Vince Young did just fine with a bad motion. It was mental issues that have done him in, so far. There are more example. Mike Vick, for example, is fundamentally flawed with his motion.

  67. greymares says: Aug 4, 2011 12:27 PM

    i have no idea how good Tebow will be. but i do know the next intelligent thing hoge says will be the first thing

  68. mackie66 says: Aug 4, 2011 12:42 PM

    To M. Hog-ge,

    Maybe you should just keep to the area of expertness, which, as Ive seen over the years is not much. Ive always thought your job at ESPN was given to you through a relative or someone close who worked at ESPN. Hog-ge you suck. You are a has-been RB, and you werent that good to begin with. Your total in gained yds was what, 250 was your best season. Well, never mind that. How many games did you Quarter back? How many young men have you taught to quarter back? Easy Question. How many players are allowed on the field at one time? No? How many downs does each team get without getting a first down? Still no? How many footballs does the offense play with at any one time???? Stick to what your know Hog-ge, which means you dont know sh&%. Go Tebow,,,,ex gator here.

  69. jaypace says: Aug 4, 2011 1:57 PM

    That’s a great sample size, three games because in three games you can tell everything about a player. Everything he’s ever going to do can be determined in three games. Good thing ol merill isn’t a gm because Peyton wouldn’t have seen game 4. And mark Sanchez would be bagging groceries right now(he should anyway he’s a bum). But really what can you tell about a qb after three games. You know I do when you sleep merill I spit in your mouth.

  70. ronswansonsdinner says: Aug 4, 2011 2:21 PM

    I have grown a little more respect for LeBron now defending Tebow. They are both in the same category because they have pretty much been the two most criticized athletes in the past year by analysts.

  71. dirtdawg55 says: Aug 4, 2011 2:49 PM

    I am having trouble following LeBron’s logic. In his mind, as LeBron-centric as it is, he is perfectly entitled to have an opinion about Tebow even though he says someone like Hoge can’t have an opinion because he is only an analyst (let’s not even factor in LeBron’s apparent disregard or lack of awarenss of Hoge’s NFL playing career).

    LeBron, if Hoge can’t have an opinion, even though he understands the issues far greater than you, then neither can you.

    Besides, I am shocked and dismayed you didn’t try to package your opinion as a sixty minute TV special called “The Opinion” where we were then subjected to endless montages of you playing basketball, visiting orphanages and espousing opinions on various issues before finally filming you hitting send on a tweet about this issue.

    How awesome would that have been?

  72. kitezen says: Aug 4, 2011 3:55 PM

    Anything is fixable.

    So if Tebow sits down and really focusses and works he can fix this thing. It might take 2 years and intense workouts in his backyard but he can do it.

    A guy like Tebow has that work ethic and because of that I think he might be able to fix it.

    But he has to forget about running around wotj the ball in the NFL. Linebackers will kill him before he can do anything about his loopy throw!

  73. The Blog of Don Comontofski says: Aug 4, 2011 4:43 PM

    Hey 6thsense79 your not to brite are you. Tebow played Oakland who was still in the playoff hunt, and did a lot better than Orton did against them, and they only let him throw 16 times most on 3rd down. Houston still had a chance and so did San Diego.

  74. calhounite says: Aug 7, 2011 11:35 AM

    Tebow is a 7th round draft pick skill wise. NFL quaterbacks throw at spots on a jersey. Even the average ones. Even the fringe, backup ones.Miss 2 yards like Tebow, it’s over. Besides pocket perception, downfield perception, runniing ability vis-a-vis buying time against the line rush, all of which Tebows rates rather mediocre. Orton is about as staid, non-championship type quaterback as there is, and he’s something Tebow’s not – an NFL qb. Tebow’s the second coming of that high draft pick Houston qb years ago who’s name can’t even remember

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