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Hoge says Tebow “will never be consistent enough . . . to win”

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The Tim Tebow debate continues to rage, and it’s quickly becoming the most polarizing issue in the NFL.

ESPN’s Merril Hoge took to Mike & Mike in the Morning on Thursday to make a compelling and detailed case against Tebow’s ability to succeed at this level.

Hoge told Mike Greenberg and Adam Schefter that Tebow “had no business” being drafted as a quarterback, and that he should have been a sixth-round or seventh-round draft pick at best. Hoge focused on the issue of Tebow’s looping delivery, which continues to emerge in moments of stress and duress.

“Just that alone drove Byron Leftwich to a backup position,” Hoge said.  “Tim has that issue.  It’s never going to change.”

Hoge also pointed to accuracy problems, which he said become even worse when Tebow is on the move, and which becomes even more pronounced when coupled with the looping delivery.  “Those two are major, major issues, I have never seen overcome,” Hoge said.

Hoge also wisely pointed out that the Broncos, by making Tim Tebow a first-round pick in 2010, now have a “political nightmare.”

Then there’s the issue of Tebow’s physical style of play.  Hoge fears that, in the NFL, Tebow won’t survive 16 games, given his belief that, for example, when the Broncos are near the end zone “nobody runs the ball but me,” as microphones captured Tebow telling coaches last year against the Chargers.

At one point, Hoge pointed out an interesting comparison between Tebow and great college player turned NFL bust Brian Bosworth.  Hoge said that the hype surrounding guys like that will prompt opponents to play even harder against them.

Hoge acknowledged that Tebow could be a situational player, or a quarterback who could be hidden by a great defense and running game, but that Tebow could never be the guy who leads a team to a title.

Regardless of how it all plays out, Tebow’s NFL fortunes will continue to be one of the hottest topics in the NFL, probably until Tebow retires.

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  1. berniemadoffsides says: Aug 4, 2011 8:59 AM

    He’s not Peyton Manning. Never will be, and he’s not trying to be. Let him play his game of football and see if it works or not, Hoge. No one knows what he’s capable of in the NFL, but in the limited action he had he actually faired pretty well.

  2. deanvernonwormer says: Aug 4, 2011 9:01 AM

    Who’s gonna take the word of a dude named “Merril”?

    I knew a chick named Merril once. And she was nuts.

  3. packattack1967 says: Aug 4, 2011 9:02 AM

    Is this REALLY his job? Slamming kids trying to make it in the NFL? Enough already from a journeyman.

  4. kmurph1226 says: Aug 4, 2011 9:03 AM

    Yeah because Hoge was such a great pro himself. He played fullback lol don’t talk QB is easily the hardest position in the game and takes time.

  5. biggerballz says: Aug 4, 2011 9:04 AM

    wow, doesn’t sound very christian of him to say “nobody runs the ball but me”. It’s time to convert him into a fullback

  6. jpiro says: Aug 4, 2011 9:05 AM

    Hate to say it, because I think the guy is a mustard-suit-wearing pompous ass, but Hoge is right.

    Everything he’s saying was brought up by dozens of analysts and scouts before Tebow was drafted. And, had McDaniels not made him a first rounder, they’d simply be truths for a backup trying to crack the lineup of an NFL team.

    Instead, Timmy’s first-round status gave his believers a reason to say “See, he IS an NFL QB!” before he’d overcome any of the factors that led people to doubt him in the first place.

    He was amazing in college, (which I hate to admit as an FSU alum) in a very specific system that perfectly suited his skills, but in the NFL he’s just a tough guy with a bad delivery, an average arm and a whole lot of hype.

    Choose him as your starter, and you’re basically committing to running the Wildcat full time.

  7. beeroncos says: Aug 4, 2011 9:06 AM

    Regardless of whether Tim will succeed or not, Merril is still a blithering moron.

  8. fwippel says: Aug 4, 2011 9:06 AM

    I listened to Hoge state his case this morning again, and while I understand some of what he’s saying, he’s become emotionally invested (i.e. obsessed) with this, which is just ridiculous.

    Most football followers agree that Tebow was not worth a first round pick. But Hoge’s suggestion that Tebow wasn’t good enough to be drafted at all is completely deranged. Hoge’s comparison of Tebow to Bosworth made no sense at all.

    Tebow was the starting QB for a national champion, and nearly won it twice. He was too productive as a college player for NFL teams to ignore. And yes, while his mechanics aren’t that of Tom Brady, so what? Tebow, like most rookies, struggled with his accuracy. However, it’s not like he stunk up the joint last year when he played (5 TDs, 3 Ints, 8 yards per attempt, 82 passer rating).

    Tebow will work hard to improve his play, and at some point, he may be good enough to be a full-time starter. However, for Hoge to come out and essentially label Tebow the next Spergon Wynn or Babe Laufenberg is not rational.

    Hoge has become so obsessed with this debate that he is ensuring that his career as a analyst depends on Tebow failing as a professional QB. That is pathetic, much more so than anything Tebow will ever do on the field (or off it for that matter).

  9. iflounder says: Aug 4, 2011 9:06 AM

    but, you see merril, what you don’t realize is, that tim already won. because he found jesus.

  10. abninf says: Aug 4, 2011 9:07 AM

    I’d like to see him succeed, just to shut up the group who discriminate against his religion (yet claim to be tolerant of others). But he’s not an NFL QB. And any good coach won’t start a guy who looks horrible in practice.

  11. ibeshane says: Aug 4, 2011 9:08 AM

    John Elway is smart! He drafted a player that is attacking headlines and the media. Not to mention his jerseys are selling like “Wonka bars” with hopes that some lucky fan will find a golden ticket. Tebow brings fans to the stadium, sells merchandise, and if he gets hurt there is no loss. All profit with little or no overhead….

  12. bonniebengal says: Aug 4, 2011 9:10 AM

    I hope he surpasse Hoge’s numbers.

  13. jasonfinfan says: Aug 4, 2011 9:11 AM

    Hoge would know something about being overrated, since he actually was an overrated Fullback.

    What a tool, Now he is saying that Tebow basically has no buisness in the NFL.. He may or may not be great but he is better then 90% of the backup QB’s in the NFL.

    Keep trashing him, I havent seen him fail yet.

  14. driscoll419 says: Aug 4, 2011 9:12 AM

    I’d like to hear what gruden has to say about this, he believes in tebow and helped him with his delivery

  15. vbe2 says: Aug 4, 2011 9:12 AM

    What’s Merril Hoge ‘s problem? He’s worse than an internet troll. Give the kid a chance to play and let’s see what he has ON THE FIELD. Hoge is just a washed up ‘never was’ that’s bitter that he’s not good at anything in his sad little life.

  16. neemdaddy13 says: Aug 4, 2011 9:16 AM

    Even former Steelers like to pop off at the mouth. I see a very annoying trend developing here.

  17. danielsanchez06 says: Aug 4, 2011 9:18 AM

    Who’s Merril Hoge? Did he win a Super Bowl? Was he ever inducted into the Hall of Fame? Is this guy just another talking head? As for Tim Tebow, we all know about this kid. They say he can’t play, but I’ve seen him ball. I don’t need some scrub from the MSM telling me about Tim Tebow. The kid’s a beast, and these guys just need to keep their mouths shut. Tebow will control his future. Somebody will take a chance on this kid, and I think most of us agree he’ll take full advantage. Haters always hate, but talent like Tebow’s will never go away. He will find a way to prove you all wrong. How do I know? I only needed to watch him play once. ONCE. And that was all I needed to see. Kid’s a freakin’ beast.

  18. flagstaffphotos says: Aug 4, 2011 9:20 AM

    Amazing how Hoge could tell all that from game film from pieces of 3 games last year at the end of a horrible season when the Denver O-line was basically non-existent.

    After John Elway’s first couple of games as a “pro”, you would have had no idea from the game tape that he had a future in the NFL – he was getting massacred. He didn’t survive until halftime in his first game against Jack Lambert and the Steelers, and coach Dan Reeves sounded ready to bench him for the season afterwards.

    By the way – nearly everything Hoge has said about Tebow’s delivery and lack of accuracy could have been applied to Terry Bradshaw and Jim Plunkett early in their careers. Those horrendous delivery and accuracy problems prevented them from winning more than their combined 6 Super Bowls.

  19. raidingtexas says: Aug 4, 2011 9:24 AM

    “Hoge acknowledged that Tebow could be a situational player, or a quarterback who could be hidden by a great defense and running game, but that Tebow could never be the guy who leads a team to a title.”

    Never thought of comparing Tebow to Rothlisberger.

  20. bengalguy says: Aug 4, 2011 9:24 AM

    Merril Hoge gives me a migraine!!!!

  21. tv426 says: Aug 4, 2011 9:24 AM

    MM is correct. But we have heard all this before. It is up to Tebow to actually do something to dispel this stuff. Until he actually does that, he has no argument.

  22. elwaysbrain says: Aug 4, 2011 9:26 AM

    Hoge should know, he played fullback for a couple seasons about 30 years ago. Talk about a QB guru.

  23. berniemadoffsides says: Aug 4, 2011 9:26 AM

    One of the worst QB deliveries in the NFL is Phillip Rivers… and he lights up secondaries all game long. He throws like a girl, but it works for him.

  24. billybats says: Aug 4, 2011 9:29 AM

    Who is Merrill Hoge? Some washed up never-was who is trying to make a name for himself by bashing one of the most decent young men to enter the NFL in years?

    No one is claiming that Tebow is a Hall of Famer or a Super Bowl caliber QB or even a good starting QB: his fans are merely asking that he be given a chance to compete and see what he has to offer (if anything). Hoge (and the writer of this post, although far more subtly) would apparently like to end Tebow’s QB career before it begins. I can see the fear in Hoge’s eyes that Tebow will prove him wrong.

    Hoge is a punk, plain and simple.

  25. Gronckle says: Aug 4, 2011 9:29 AM

    Crazy how much hate Tebow gets, hes played fine in his limited time, won 1 game with a big comeback against the Texans, Fell just short of a big comeback against the Chargers, and moved the Played well against the Raiders. He can play. Orton is the better QB now for sure, but he lost alot of games the last two seasons despite his stats, so Im not sure what they are counting on this year….

  26. sportswannabe says: Aug 4, 2011 9:30 AM

    Hoge didn’t just “constructively criticize” Tebow, he took shots that went beyond regular analysis. He wanted to raise his profile, so he took a shot at a polarizing, high-profile figure in Tebow. Tebow had a 50% completion percentage, which obviously isn’t that great, but it’s not that far off what a lot of good QB’s do as rookies. I didn’t see Hoge criticizing Mark Sanchez and his 53.8% as a rookie. Or Peyton Manning with his 56% completion rating as a rookie.

    It’s just a fact that QB’s tend to struggle with accuracy early, and they should be given more time to develop, especially a guy who needs more transition like Tebow. They should be given more than one season before national media critics get one TV, condemn their entire career outlook, and tell the world “they just can’t play.”

    Now, of course Tebow COULD fail. Who knows? But he hasn’t even been given a proper shot yet, so how can you just dismiss his whole career.

  27. chc4 says: Aug 4, 2011 9:31 AM

    I’m no big Tebow supporter but why do analysts make blanket statements on a guy that’s played in 3 games? Sounds like Hoge is trying to drum up publicity for himself.

  28. wtfru2 says: Aug 4, 2011 9:33 AM

    Hoge, what is your problem with Tebow?

    Why the relentless knock on him. Is it a recognition of your own NFL mortality? You were second rate at best and didn’t receive a contract anywhere near what Timmy got. Is this going to be your claim to fame from now on? If not, leave it alone, enough already!

  29. ace613 says: Aug 4, 2011 9:37 AM

    Seems Hoge is a little obsessed. I had to look up Hoge’s stats up- 21 career td’s and 22 career fumbles. And this guy is an analyst critisising another player who hasnt played an entire season- this is exactly why I dont watch ESPN unless its a MNF game.

  30. blspears says: Aug 4, 2011 9:38 AM

    Thats BS give Tebow a shot I think he can be great. Merril Hodge didn’t do anything as a player except get concussions so what does he know?

  31. richm2256 says: Aug 4, 2011 9:38 AM

    I never really had an interest in the Tim Tebow controversy, one way or the other, except for the fact that I seldom cheer for people who are “pre-destined” for greatness (Cam Newton, anyone?).

    No one – let me repeat – NO ONE owes Tim Tebow anything. Not Merrill Hoge, and certainly not the Denver Broncos. In this league, you always have to earn it in the end. The Bronco’s obligation is to put the best player for the position on the field. If he succeeds, he succeeds, if he fails, then he fails.

    If Kyle Orton stupidly doesn’t buy into the “Tim Tebow is the second coming of Johnny Unitas” crap and decides to play his a$$ off in camp and win the starting job, too bad for Tim Tebow.

    “when the Broncos are near the end zone nobody runs the ball but me,” as microphones captured Tebow telling coaches last year against the Chargers.”

    Did this really happen???

    What the hell has Tim Tebow ever done to justify telling his coaches how they need to run a gameplan?

  32. thewizardsrevenge says: Aug 4, 2011 9:39 AM

    I don’t begrudge Hoge his opinion, but it’s been said.

    Now get off it.

  33. geetee52 says: Aug 4, 2011 9:40 AM

    Maybe Hoge is right, but maybe he’s wrong. Tebow definitely has positive intangibles that may offset technique issues. It’s not like the NFL has never had a QB that excelled despite the lack of a textbook delivery.

    What is a bit perturbing is the number of people that WANT him to fail. At one time we used to love rooting for a clean-living, All-American type that had exceptional competitive fire. Even on his own Gator campus there were plenty who did not like to see him excel. Why?

    At minimum, some of Hoge’s comments seem excessive. “…he has no business…”, “he could never be the guy…”, or the apples and oranges comparison to Byron Leftwich.

    Tebow didn’t exactly embarrass himself with his play last year, nor did he give an indication that the expert detractors are right.

    We’ll just have to see. He earned his shot and it will be up to him to prove the haters right or wrong.

    It will be entertaining and maybe even compelling either way.

    -GT

  34. bigplayray says: Aug 4, 2011 9:42 AM

    You Tebow apologists are funny!!!

    If the kid can’t play, he just can’t play. We see this every year: High School phenom -> College All-American/Heisman winner -> Bust in NFL. Why is it so different with Tebow? I don’t hear anyone going to bat for any other decorated players that come out of college that flop. Like someone posted earlier, he was in a system in college that suited his skills, but those skills don’t translate to the NFL.

    And as far as everyone piling on Hoge, the man is doing his freaking job! Tebow is a grown man! You guys act like Hogie is bashing an 8th grader! And since when does an evaluator of talent have to have been a perennial pro bowler to know what he is talking about?

    Bill Belichick was a lights out all-pro when he was in the NFL….

  35. johnnyjagfan says: Aug 4, 2011 9:51 AM

    Wannabe: youre right. I was wondering why Hoge was all of a sudden spewing such vitrol against the kid. Its really intense and what’s the goal?

  36. ace613 says: Aug 4, 2011 9:56 AM

    @bigplayray – How is Tebow a bust when he hasnt played and entire season?

    I hope you are being sarcastic about Belichick being an all-pro. He never played a down in the NFL in his life.

  37. captainslapnuts says: Aug 4, 2011 9:57 AM

    jasonfinfan, see it’s people like you make it hard for us with common sense to take you seriously. Tim Tebow is not, under ANY circumstances, better than 90% of the back up QB’s in the NFL.

    Every Tebow fan has to temper their enthusiasm and expectations. He had no business being a 1st round pick. Not one person suggested he would be. Everyone has virtually said the same thing about him, all of it true. It’s not hating, it’s truth.

    Tebow should be doing what every other project player is doing and that’s sitting on the bench and learning.

    When Tebow fans start to temper their expectations, then I’ll explain why Tebow even saw the field last year. It’ll all make sense when you all decide to take the Tebow colored glasses off.

  38. zaggs says: Aug 4, 2011 9:57 AM

    “and it’s quickly becoming the most polarizing issue in the NFL.”

    Why? Because Hoge keeps yapping his mouth? Again, Hoge knows jack about the QB position. He has never been a QB, not even a receiver.
    “Had no business” being drafted as a QB? People like that don’t lead their teams backs from 17 down there Merrill. Nor do they set a record for a TD run of 40+ yards and a TD Throw of 30+ yards in the same game. Damn, I’m no fan of Tebow but he was a rookie on a bad team. Its not like Orton was winning every game. You want to totally change his throwing dynamics and expect year 1 he is going to be an all star.

  39. bronco1st says: Aug 4, 2011 9:58 AM

    Merrilyn is mad because Tebow turned him down for a date. Most stalkers like him would have let it go but Merrilyn has brain damage (literately) after being concussed multiple times as a pitiful performing FB for the Steelers (he was under the assumption that being a Steeler made him steel-like). Feel sorry for the loser, brain damaged and stupid is a tough way to go through life.

  40. bemsqua says: Aug 4, 2011 9:59 AM

    Hoge wanted to get his name out there and he accomplished it by throwing extreme negativity toward one of the most popular players in the league. He got his internet headlines, sportscenter time, and radio air time the last couple of days. It will interesting to see if he offers such harsh criticism to any other young quarterbacks out there. Providing anaysis is one thing, but when you start saying guys are awful and will never play in the league, that’s crossing the line to being unprofessional. Again, let’s see if any of the other young qb’s get labeled “awful”, “will never be able to play”, etc.

  41. southridge23 says: Aug 4, 2011 10:01 AM

    ibeshane says: Aug 4, 2011 9:08 AM

    John Elway is smart! He drafted a player that is attacking headlines and the media.
    =======================
    Thats great and all….but Elway didn’t draft him…

  42. geo1113 says: Aug 4, 2011 10:01 AM

    @bigplayray

    First everyone piling on Hoge. The reason for that is that Hoge acts like a pompus ass all the time. It is as simple as that. And like every other analyst I have ever heard, sometimes he is right and sometimes he is wrong.

    Tebow. The guy is 23 years old. He has played a couple of games. He does need a chance to develop (which he may or may not do). One thing he has shown in his life is that he is a winner. If that makes me an apologist, so be it. But you bashers have already nailed the coffin shut.

  43. bigplayray says: Aug 4, 2011 10:05 AM

    @ace613: I am not necessarily saying he is a bust….YET. All indications are pointing to that though.

    He was drafted in the first round as arguably one of the best college players ever and by ALL reports, not just Hoge’s, is really awful in camp and has no chance to beat out Kyle Orton?

    Orton is a solid QB, but it is not even a competition. It should be a competitive camp with one of the best to ever do it in college and a serviceable veteran QB.

  44. mmmpieyummy says: Aug 4, 2011 10:06 AM

    This is so awesome! I would like to personally thank Josh McDaniels for single-handedly making the Donkeys implode with the drafting of Teblow.

    The drafting of Teblow has created total chaos with this franchise and within the locker room and nothing makes me happier…thanks again Josh!

  45. stadanko says: Aug 4, 2011 10:09 AM

    Tebow is just not rapey enough for Merril’s taste. They can’t all be Big Ben.

  46. bronco1st says: Aug 4, 2011 10:09 AM

    Merrilyn is no expert. John Elway had a 47.5% completion rating as a rookie starting 10 games to Tebow’s 3 games. Why the clown is obsessed with Tebow is creepy.

  47. bigplayray says: Aug 4, 2011 10:11 AM

    @zaggs: He didn’t have any business being drafted in the first round!

    JaMarcus Russell was a better passer in the NFL his rookie year with the WORST team in the league, no one gave him a pass….

  48. hshendon says: Aug 4, 2011 10:12 AM

    Hoge is, and always will be, a tool.

    This is a very common pattern for him – find a popular issue and figure out how to be a lightning rod on the topic. Don’t even worry about facts or reporting or critical analysis. Just find a way to be as incendiary as possible and spout it loudly and frequently.

    I can’t count how many times I have caught parts of the shows he used to do on the big sports network and have to turn it off because his B.S. and same old tired routine bothered me so much.

    This is just another example in a long line of examples from him.

    Regardless of how I feel about Tebow and his chances for success, Hoge’s critique and arguments are just plain lame. Get a clue, dude.

    When I looked at the Broncos late last year, I saw a team that had a tough time blocking on the o-line and things broke down all the time. In a scenario like that Orton showed (and I think this will always be the case) that he can not improvise nor provide enough athletic ability to overcome the breakdowns. With Tebow in the game you always had the feeling that something could happen. With Orton in in situations like that, you never had the same feeling.

    THAT is why I feel you WANT someone like Tebow in there over Orton. You may not have the polished passer that Orton is, but you have a guy in there that can make things happen when things break down (like the often do in the NFL).

  49. thephantomstranger says: Aug 4, 2011 10:13 AM

    Why doesn’t Hoge take his clairvoyant abilities to Vegas and make some real money?

  50. vdogg says: Aug 4, 2011 10:15 AM

    What does everything think Hoge’s assesment of an unknown late round draft pick from Michigan who has gone on to become one of, if not the best, QB to date in the NFL? Let Hoge review Brady’s HS and college tape, what would he have said then? Truth is he was a fullback that had his head smashed in too many times. When did he become a QB position coach?

  51. junobeach44 says: Aug 4, 2011 10:17 AM

    Wow, will somebody get this guy off Tebow already. That level of anger is usually a sign of mental instability.

  52. bigdan7885 says: Aug 4, 2011 10:17 AM

    I really hope Newton and Tebow become the next Brady and Manning. I love it when the “experts” are wrong.

  53. captainslapnuts says: Aug 4, 2011 10:18 AM

    Did I just see a comparison of Elway to Tebow?

    Holy crap. You guys are reaching now, eh?

  54. bigplayray says: Aug 4, 2011 10:19 AM

    @ geo1113:

    I don’t have time to do it, but look up how many “Winners” there are in college football that can’t/don’t cut it in the NFL. It’s a different game man.

    Just off the top of my head “WINNERS”:

    JaMarcus Russell
    David Carr
    Joey Harrington
    Ryan Leaf
    Tim Couch
    Reggie Bush
    Matt Leinart

    I’m sure you could research and find a better and much longer list of winners.

  55. slopes16 says: Aug 4, 2011 10:22 AM

    I’m done with ESPN (Mother Ship). They have a bunch of arrogant reporters (ex players) from the NFL and NBA that try to relive their glory days.

    ESPN suspends Bruce Feldmen for digging up info on their own Craig James.

    I won’t even get into how they managed the Lebron James story.

    Not to mention they steal material from other shows as well.

    I can get all the news and entertainment I need from Dan Patrick, NFL Network and profootballtalk.

    Good luck Tebow, shut some peoople up.

  56. z0inks says: Aug 4, 2011 10:22 AM

    This reminds me of Hoge’s anti-Vince Young rants from a few years ago……and now that VY is an afterthought, Hoge is looking for another puppy to kick around.

    Y’know, I’m sure Hoge pats himself on the back for being “right” about Vince Young a few years back, when he predicted that Vince wouldn’t pan out.

    But if you’ll go back and review Hoge’s criticisms of Vince’s game (accuracy, throwing motion, running ability, etc) they have little or nothing to do with the issues that ultimately led to Vince being benched and dismissed in Tennessee. And the things that WERE problems for Vince, Hoge never noticed.

    Hoge’s predictions are akin to a stopped clock being right twice a day. It may be correct every once in a while, but it’s still utterly useless.

  57. deadmanwalking47 says: Aug 4, 2011 10:23 AM

    WTF is merle hoge to question anybody’s talent? he never did anything but get knocked out as an nfl player! tebow may never be a great qb,but he is a lot better player than merle(lol)hoge will ever be! i feel sorry for hoge with a name like that,his parents obviously hated him! is his older brother named alice?

  58. rsh1023 says: Aug 4, 2011 10:24 AM

    you guys need to chill, it’s Hoge’s opinion and that what he gets paid to give…his opinion

  59. slickster35 says: Aug 4, 2011 10:24 AM

    The truth often hurts the most.

    Hoge spoke the truth, and people don’t like it.

  60. thenmoveback says: Aug 4, 2011 10:25 AM

    I bet all of Tebow’s Gator teammates hate him…they win 2 national championships and he got ALL the credit. Every Gator fan talks about how great Tebow is and how he won for them, last i checked it was a team game and Timmy was on the best TEAM in college football those season. with that said GO CANES!

  61. mommydrank says: Aug 4, 2011 10:29 AM

    Tim Tebow = Eric Crouch. Both had a great college style that just doesn’t translate to the NFL game.

  62. stupadassle says: Aug 4, 2011 10:30 AM

    Isn’t he the same guy that said “Redskins going to the superbowl under Spurrier”?

  63. crumpledstiltskin says: Aug 4, 2011 10:31 AM

    People have such a hard-on for Tebow. I dont dig his super religion, but he is a good kid and tries hard.

  64. tatum064 says: Aug 4, 2011 10:33 AM

    ” And yes, while his mechanics aren’t that of Tom Brady, so what? ”

    Brady has three rings…thats what.

    The real irony is that THEY DID NOT TRADE ORTON. It isnt Tebow’s team yet, and im guessing they will unload him at some point in the middle of the season for a reasonable price as well. If they were comfortable with Tebow’s game, wouldnt they have traded Orton?

    There’s your answer right there. And PFT is absolutely right. Hoge wasnt the only guy saying it, a number of Jaguars didnt want him and an OL called him out. That run and jump pass sandlot stuff only goes so far.

    Just ask Vince Young. A much better talent than Tebow. At least on the field.

  65. bigdog214 says: Aug 4, 2011 10:34 AM

    It’s sad how any critique of teary timmy brings out tebow’s mulleted, jort wearing army to his defense. All of you got used to Vern Lundquist and Gary Danielson slurping him from their knees every Saturday to face reality now. Timmy sucks – Something the rest of us had been saying for years. Probably be a fair fullback though.

  66. tecmobowl34 says: Aug 4, 2011 10:35 AM

    I like how commenters can feel free to make “rape jokes” on this thread but cannot compare Tim Tebow to Sarah Palin – THAT gets censored, for some reason.

    Lots of logic going on here.

  67. footballking5 says: Aug 4, 2011 10:42 AM

    He came on a local radio program in Denver and said that he hasnt seen Tebow in camp this year and he is basing all of this off of one game he looked over which was the San Diego game.

    I have been to 5 Broncos practices this year and Tebow is improved from last year. His timing, accuracy, and drops all look better. On top of that he has escapability. Merrill is just trying to get his name in lights. If practice didnt make people better than no one would do it.

    Saying all of that, Orton has looked better and deserves to be the starter, but all the knocks Merril gives Tebow for someone that hasnt even seen a practice this year shouldnt be listened to. Tebow has looked good this camp and will eventually be a great player in this league

  68. mikejd12 says: Aug 4, 2011 10:43 AM

    u can’t measure how much a guy wants it. tebow is better then dilfer and dilfer has a ring. nobody thought Brady would be who he is. nobody knows that’s the beauty of football!!! hodge is an idiot. and I’m not even a huge tebow fan

  69. nickvpackfan says: Aug 4, 2011 10:49 AM

    Here comes the Jesus haters…

    While it is too early in Tebow’s career to determine his “success”. Hodge states that “Tebow will NEVER take a team to the superbowl” How can he say that? Trent Dilfer won a superbowl without being one of the top 50% of the quarterbacks that year. (my opinion). Plus the last time I checked (in the bible)…

    Matthew 19:26 –Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

    John 15:7-8—7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

    What a podium to spread the message…Tebow is a crusader for Christ. The Lord has blessed him with awesome leadership skills…That cannot be taught, that is a gift.

    I have disliked the Broncos since Superbowl 32 (Packer Fan –doggone Elway)…But I hope they succeed with Tebow.

    Peace out – Jesus Rocks!!!

  70. jaypace says: Aug 4, 2011 10:51 AM

    Maybe hodge’s wife wants to bang Timmy or something. He is taking this tebow bashing on twitter & mike and mike. Orton won 3 games last year out of 13 played. Despite all his stats the team didn’t win. The broncos averaged more pts per game with Tim under center. Funny hodge didn’t mention his qb rating or the fact that the broncos played with energy. This guy needs to go away. Why does espn hire every has been or never was and think that people will accept what they say. Just because you rushed for 3000 yards in you ten year career doesn’t mean you know dick about the qb position, no more than any other person who watches games.

  71. anthonymcduffie says: Aug 4, 2011 10:51 AM

    Funny how people say Cam Newton is a bust and everyone agrees but Tim Tebow gets called a bust and everyone defends him.

  72. photoshootfresh says: Aug 4, 2011 10:52 AM

    I think Merril Hoge needs to loosen up that windsor knot, his head is going to explode! And that boy is not thinking straight. He looks like beatlejuice when his head shrinks.

  73. tradeassociation says: Aug 4, 2011 10:54 AM

    The issue with Tebow is that once the mechanics and delivery problems are corrected – and it is possible to correct them, it just takes awhile, at least 2 or 3 years – there is no way to know whether he will have above average accuracy and field vision. Another way to put it: are the mechanics and delivery the reason for the poor accuracy, or is Tebow just another one of the MANY QBs with mediocre at best accuracy (by NFL standards) regardless of his delivery and mechanics?

    The question is whether an NFL team is willing to invest the 2-3 years in Tebow to find out. I can’t imagine why they WOULDN’T be willing to do so. The reason is that most backup or marginal QBs in the NFL have played in pro-style systems with good mechanics and delivery all their lives, and they are still mediocre. So, would I rather invest that time and money in Tim Tebow instead of Tyler Thigpen, Charlie Whitehurst and Chad Henne? Another way of putting it: how’d you like to be the team that is stuck with Jake Delhomme and Marc Bulger for the next 7-8 years?

    Tebow was taken in the same region of the draft as was Aaron Rodgers, and a few spots ahead of Drew Brees. It took Rodgers and Brees several years to become good NFL QBs. Brees in particular was atrocious his first two seasons, so much so that the Chargers drafted Philip Rivers to replace him. Also, a lot of people have forgotten how bad Eli Manning was his first 3 seasons. People like Hoge need to explain why those guys should get their 2-4 years to sink or swim, with many of them bouncing around the NFL for 10 years or more (Kyle Boller is still in the NFL, people, and Elvis Grbac would be also if he wanted to be, and how long did Dave Krieg play?) but guys like Tebow shouldn’t even be given a shot. If there was this great surplus of NFL QBs, starters and backups, that attitude would make sense. But since less than half the NFL has a productive starting QB under 34 years old, let alone a good backup, the antipathy to Tebow and guys like him really is irrational.

  74. tradeassociation says: Aug 4, 2011 10:58 AM

    @anthonymcduffie:

    I agree 100 percent with the double standard between those who love Tebow and hate Newton. It is even more pronounced when Tebow and Newton are similar in more ways than the Tebow fans want to admit.

  75. sdchicken says: Aug 4, 2011 11:00 AM

    Settle down Merril. Hoge sounds like some obsessed crazy person. Tebow is a hard worker with good character. Doesn’t he have the ability to work hard and improve his game? Did Mike Vick in his rookie year look like Mike Vick from 2011? No he improved his passing accuracy and his decision making and raised his game to an all pro level. Give the kid a break and a little time to develop. People love to judge…

  76. cobibones13 says: Aug 4, 2011 11:03 AM

    People need to quit acting like Tebow only has a chance to start because of jersey sales or fan support. Orton turned into a pumpkin last year when he didn’t have McDaniel in his ear telling him what to do every play.

    Tebow’s winning pct. from last year was better than Orton’s, even though Tebow had to start all of his games after McDaniel was fired. Orton and his 17 losses in 28 games starting is the only QB to prove he isn’t a winner.

    All anyone needs to know about Hodge is that he was forced to retire from the NFL due to brain injury. Someone needs to tell him to leave the QB analysis to Jaws, because he always comes off as a hack.

  77. kobra2k4 says: Aug 4, 2011 11:04 AM

    But he will be consistently good at keeping ones team in the limelight and selling jerseys/tickets.

  78. zn0rseman says: Aug 4, 2011 11:15 AM

    I’m not a Tebow fan but Hoge is claiming that he made his conclusion that Tebow had no business playing QB in the NFL based off of last years game film… where Tebow had 5 TDs, 3 Ints, 8 yards per attempt and an 82 passer rating. Does anyone else see a potential flaw in that logic?

    Also, I can remember lots of scrambling QBs coming out of college with mediocre accuracy and imperfect throwing motions… and and don’t remember any of them facing this volume of media criticism.

  79. BroncoNick says: Aug 4, 2011 11:17 AM

    Well Merril did it… He made the beast have even more motivation.
    “Hey Merril….. ‘ppreciate it.” – Tim Tebow’s tweet yesterday
    I don’t know how many times people are going to say that Tim Tebow isn’t good enough and he has to prove them wrong. He’s played 3 games!!!
    And Merril thinks he’s the genius analyst and after watching one game against SD last year where he started he thinks he can’t play.
    A week from now Hoge won’t even remember that he ever said this. lol
    TEBOW TIME!

  80. robf2010 says: Aug 4, 2011 11:19 AM

    I’m not sure Tebow’s mechanics can ever be resolved and not sure he can ever be a NFL QB but his game is not compatible with the most conservative coach in the NFL. He’s done in Denver as long as John Fox is there.

  81. forevercorr says: Aug 4, 2011 11:21 AM

    OK. I am a Denver fan. Here are my thoughts.
    #1. Josh McDaniels was an idiot and he reached on draft picks. Tim should not have been a first rounder.
    #2. There were a couple idiots above putting Tim’s pick on Elway. He wasn’t part of the organization then. So stop that.
    #3. Tim was ALWAYS a project QB. I don’t know why people are shocked by that, fans included. I was all for throwing him into the deep end and seeing how he swims without Orton, but the team kept Kyle. Gives Tim time to keep learning and Denver will be a better team this year.
    #4. Hoge is getting WAY too much attention for saying things people have been saying for years. And when former QBs or coaches say those criticisms, it means something. Hoge was a fullback, and the only point of view he’s used to seeing is the QBs ass.

    In the end, mistakes were made, sure. But it really isn’t worth this black and white, he sucks/he’s perfect debate. He’s a young QB who has a lot to learn. Just like John Elway, Mike Vick, Kordell Stewart, Tom Brady, and Joey Harrington… or lots of other QBs. Who knows how he’ll turn out? Just let the Broncos figure that out, Merril.

  82. jjbadd says: Aug 4, 2011 11:23 AM

    How many times have we saw documentaries about players that had great success, after every “expert” in the game had deemed them unfit to play? This will be another one of those, except they will have to change the name of the analyst in this case, since Hoge doesnt qualify as an expert on anything. Lots of great QB’s started their career with questionable abilities, but were able to have success because of their desire, hard work, & just plain heart. Although he was not a qb, Remember Wayne Chrebet? He was like 5’8 or so, & was told by many he’d never be an NFL WR, but he had a great career because of his determination. All Im saying is, you cant put limitations on the human spirit. Its not because I am a Bronco fan that I am saying that I believe Tebow will succeed, I just think he has heart & determination, & a will to win. Sometimes thats enough.

  83. fatguystrangler says: Aug 4, 2011 11:23 AM

    I’m not one to really disparage on here, but I feel compelled to this time.
    Merril Hoge (and, frankly, ESPN as a whole) makes me not regret, one bit, my decision to disconnect from cable. What a tool.

  84. digirootune says: Aug 4, 2011 11:25 AM

    ibeshane says:
    Aug 4, 2011 9:08 AM
    John Elway is smart! He drafted a player that is attacking headlines and the media. Not to mention his jerseys are selling like “Wonka bars” with hopes that some lucky fan will find a golden ticket. Tebow brings fans to the stadium, sells merchandise, and if he gets hurt there is no loss. All profit with little or no overhead….

    Do not post anymore.

    Thanks,
    Everyone

  85. sterilizecromartie says: Aug 4, 2011 11:25 AM

    bigplayray says:
    Aug 4, 2011 10:19 AM
    @ geo1113:

    I don’t have time to do it, but look up how many “Winners” there are in college football that can’t/don’t cut it in the NFL. It’s a different game man.

    Just off the top of my head “WINNERS”:

    JaMarcus Russell
    David Carr
    Joey Harrington
    Ryan Leaf
    Tim Couch
    Reggie Bush
    Matt Leinart

    I’m sure you could research and find a better and much longer list of winners.
    ———–
    Actually, most of those guys weren’t winners in college. You just named a bunch of high draft picks who were picked more for their “mechanics” than they were their knack for winning. I know Carr, Harrington, Leaf, and Couch didn’t win anything in college except for maybe a useless bowl game or something. I’m pretty sure LSU didn’t win anything until after Russell left and Matt Flynn took over. Obviousy Leinart and Bush did win a title at USC.

  86. mannyicey says: Aug 4, 2011 11:27 AM

    So here’s the deal:

    I saw Hoge’s points when he looked at Tebow’s games. Man, Tebow looked terrible!

    But that was in Tebow’s rookie year, right? It’s pretty harsh comments looking at someone in their rookie year. I mean, I can roll tape on a lot of good quarterbacks and make the same conclusions based upon what they did their rookie years.

    Here’s the bottom line: No one really knows if Tebow will be a good QB in the NFL. Hoge doesn’t know it. Tebow doesn’t even know it. But let him make his mistakes and progress. And we can evaluate him better once he matures.

  87. Nevis says: Aug 4, 2011 11:39 AM

    He was drafted by McDaniels…of course he’s a failure.

  88. NFLJunkie says: Aug 4, 2011 11:42 AM

    Hoge didn’t just “constructively criticize” Tebow, he took shots that went beyond regular analysis.

    He did the same thing to Vince Young, and honestly it was Young’s inability to emotionally handle the “haters” like Hoge (among other off-field factors), not what he did between the lines, that has him in a backup job in a different city now.

    I don’t care about Tebow one way or the other, and frankly get pretty sick of hearing about him. But I can’t say I’d mind seeing him succeed now just to shut Hoge up. There is something way over the top about the way Hoge likes to tear down certain players.

    Then again, handling that stuff the right way is a big part of the job when you’re an NFL QB.

  89. danzeeman says: Aug 4, 2011 11:44 AM

    I can’t believe some people actualy think being a bible thumper has anything to do with how good a football player you are. Seriously? Scary shistuff right there!!!

  90. shanahanagans says: Aug 4, 2011 11:48 AM

    I think his HOF colleague Trent Dilfer won a super bowl, he sure was super!

  91. tdrizzle74 says: Aug 4, 2011 11:53 AM

    Say what you want…the guy was accountable for 11 touchdowns in a handful of games, his rookie year. Sure he didn’t play like Joe Montana, however the Broncos were in each of those games up until the clock struck zero. What is funny, is that Merril Hoge didn’t fling this criticism out as a part of his analyis at ESPN, he tweeted it and then waited for his own network to cover it. I know everyone has an opinion on Tebow, and they are entitled to it. I just think this was more about Merril Hoge getting attention and trying to be relevant. I wonder how he would have faired if social media were around when he was playing, Lets say Dan Dierdorf had “tweeted” something to the effect “I don’t think Merril Hoge is physically equipped to play the tailback position, he has a major issue with being able to take a simple hit without suffering post concussion syndrome” My guess is Hoge would consider that a cheap shot.

  92. FinFan68 says: Aug 4, 2011 12:09 PM

    It’s amazing how speculation is now considered news. Why not actually let the players’ on field actions determine his NFL ability. Guys like Tebow and Newton may fail or succeed but the speculation is silly either way.

  93. jagsdaddy says: Aug 4, 2011 12:19 PM

    Hoge was a 10th rounder scrub. Why does anybody care what this blowhard says?

  94. sportswannabe says: Aug 4, 2011 12:19 PM

    Hoge didn’t just “constructively criticize” Tebow, he took shots that went beyond regular analysis.

    He did the same thing to Vince Young, and honestly it was Young’s inability to emotionally handle the “haters” like Hoge (among other off-field factors), not what he did between the lines, that has him in a backup job in a different city now.

    I don’t care about Tebow one way or the other, and frankly get pretty sick of hearing about him. But I can’t say I’d mind seeing him succeed now just to shut Hoge up. There is something way over the top about the way Hoge likes to tear down certain players.

    Then again, handling that stuff the right way is a big part of the job when you’re an NFL QB.

    ———————–

    All fair points. Like I said, Tebow could be a total and complete bust, but he hasn’t even had the opportunity to be a bust yet and Hoge is condemning his entire career. Like you said, he’s done it before, too. Hopefully Tebow handles it better than VY.

  95. fwippel says: Aug 4, 2011 12:22 PM

    To tatum064

    ” And yes, while his mechanics aren’t that of Tom Brady, so what? ”

    Brady has three rings…thats what.

    —————–

    My point is that Tebow’s mechanics are not that of a 10+ year veteran, not that Tebow will or will not win a Super Bowl. Some QBs take years to hit their stride (Brees, Vick).

    I don’t know whether Tebow will be a succesful NFL QB or not. Time will tell. But all the harping by Hoge is over the top. The Broncos are making the right decision to keep Orton, no question about that. Tebow shouldn’t start unless and until he can beat out Orton (or whoever the starter happens to be).

  96. stellarperformance says: Aug 4, 2011 12:24 PM

    This kind of reporting is exactly the kind that will make me a Tebow fan…just to spite the experts. When his coaches say he is a bust, then I’ll believe it, but that is not likely to happen.

  97. ramofsteel says: Aug 4, 2011 12:29 PM

    Maybe if the network Hoge works for didn’t overhype him as the actual second coming of Jesus, then maybe he wouldn’t be as criticized as he is. That’s the problem w/ the 4 letter network… they talk and praise 1 or 2 players/teams to high end while barely, if that, talk about other teams/players. It’s why I think ppl hate LeBron, the Patriots, Yankees, Tebow etc more than the players/teams themselves.

  98. sdw2001 says: Aug 4, 2011 12:30 PM

    I care nothing about the Broncos. That said, I think Hoge is way out of line. Pronouncing on national radio that a young NFL player will never succeed is really inappropriate and classless. He doesn’t know what Tebow will do as his career moves forward. He hasn’t even had a chance to really start yet. Please.

  99. Kwame F says: Aug 4, 2011 12:40 PM

    I hope all the people saying Tebow should get a chance feel the same about Cam Newton. Just sayin…

  100. raideralex99 says: Aug 4, 2011 12:55 PM

    Talk about discrimination (against his religion) … slamming Tebow without even giving him a chance … where is Warren Moon or Jessie Jackson?
    Even loser Byron Leftwich got to start 49 games or how about JaMarcus … how many coaches did he get fired.
    I bet if Tebow was black nobody in the media would be slamming him … they would be pushing for him to start.

  101. Deb says: Aug 4, 2011 1:04 PM

    Hoge is an NFL analyst. It’s his job to evaluate players, and he’s offered his opinion on Tebow. I like Tebow and think he has extraordinary leadership skills. But everything Hoge said is true … people simply don’t want to hear it.

  102. anthonymcduffie says: Aug 4, 2011 1:12 PM

    @raideralex99

    Have you seen the cam newton post they call him a bust also.

    Its funny that Cam and Tebow are doing what we all want to do but are better then us at doing it yet we sit back and talk about them because we cant do it

  103. richm2256 says: Aug 4, 2011 1:14 PM

    packattack1967 says:
    Is this REALLY his job? Slamming kids trying to make it in the NFL?
    ——————————————————–

    He’s a sports “analyst” …… it’s something new. It MIGHT catch on…….. they, ummm, give their opinions on athletes and stuff.

    Moron.

    Of COURSE it’s his job to “slam kinds trying to make it in the NFL”, if they SUCK; and apparently Tebow has given no reason to think otherwise.

    Do you really think “kids” trying to “make it in the NFL are owed being spared from criticism???

    Good Lord.

  104. jm1122 says: Aug 4, 2011 1:22 PM

    ha ha ha…it never fails…another tebow story followed by a slew of desperate defenders of all things christian…but literally posting quotes from the “bible” as the explanation for why he will be a successful quarterback is just too hilarious…thanks for the laugh!

  105. redbear18 says: Aug 4, 2011 1:51 PM

    Haters gonna hate

  106. nickvpackfan says: Aug 4, 2011 2:11 PM

    jm1122…You are a complete tool…I never said that he would be a successful NFL QB because he is a Christian…All I’m saying is that don’t underestimate him…Leadership is an intangible quality that in my book trumps being an “NFL Ready QB”. Ask Matt Leinhart if that counts for anything…

  107. photoshootfresh says: Aug 4, 2011 3:01 PM

    KYLE ORTON FIRST 4 GAMES as a rookie starter

    2 TD’s 7 INT’s. Never over 150 yds passing. 55% Completion. 1-3 Record Team 15pts/game

    TIM TEBOW FIRST 3 GAMES as a rookie starter

    5 TD’s 3INT’s and 3 Rushing TD’s 230 yd avg. 56% Completion. 1-2 record but team avg 26pts/game

    Thanks Merill, you’ve been great. I am not saying Tebow will be great or good, but you said he cant based off of 3 games. Loosen up the windsor knot a little bit. you look and sound like an idiot. ORTON is 5-18 as a starter in his last 23 games!!!! I repeat 5-18 in his last 23 games and you have a problem with starting Tebow over him!!! you should be fired from your job you joke.

  108. sterilizecromartie says: Aug 4, 2011 4:41 PM

    Yes @ photoshootfresh

    Listen up Hoge and all you sheeple… Orton sucks. He is a loser. He never wins. Chicago benched him for Rex frigin Grossman and they went to the SB. Do you not remember that?

    He then goes to Denver and puts up good fantasy numbers. He sucks early in games, his team falls behind 35-3, then he puts up 200 yards and 3 TDs in the 4th quarter garbage time vs the opponents 2nd team prevent defense.

    There is a reason why Denver fans want Tebow. Because they actually watch the full games instead of just looking at the box score the next day and seeing Orton’s nice fantasy stats. They know he is a loser.

  109. randomjim says: Aug 4, 2011 7:26 PM

    nickvpackfan says:
    Aug 4, 2011 10:49 AM
    Here comes the Jesus haters…

    While it is too early in Tebow’s career to determine his “success”. Hodge states that “Tebow will NEVER take a team to the superbowl” How can he say that? Trent Dilfer won a superbowl without being one of the top 50% of the quarterbacks that year. (my opinion). Plus the last time I checked (in the bible)…

    Matthew 19:26 –Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

    John 15:7-8—7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

    What a podium to spread the message…Tebow is a crusader for Christ. The Lord has blessed him with awesome leadership skills…That cannot be taught, that is a gift.

    I have disliked the Broncos since Superbowl 32 (Packer Fan –doggone Elway)…But I hope they succeed with Tebow.

    Peace out – Jesus Rocks!!!
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    People get upset when other people try to “cram their religion down my throat”. The mistake is that people like Tebow & packsfan are SHARING their religion. You may choose not to accept, but if they were sharing something you wanted they would be great in your opinion. Why such hatred for someone offering you something at no cost to you?
    Tebow was @ a Viking preseason game & was out signing autographs for Viking fans before a most other players were even on the field. He may not be the next great QB, but how can people hate on such a decent guy? I believe that he (& all young players that showed promise in college) should be granted a little time before pronouncing them “awful”.

    (shhh, don’t tell anyone I agreed w/ a Packer fan)

  110. golonger says: Aug 6, 2011 11:11 AM

    He’s right……..Tebow is terrible……and always will be.

    First of all, his delivery and accuracy are terrible….you can’t MAKE a QB in the NFL accurate…..if he isn’t accurate at this point, he isn’t going to be

    2) He is too stupid to play the position..

    …out of the league in 2

  111. justchiminin says: Nov 28, 2011 1:32 PM

    He may be terrible by your mechanics grade, but he is a winner. All these analysts said Ryan Leaf and Matt Leinert had great mechanics and were going to be awesome. Leinert fit great in college, but had a knee brace on both legs coming out=injury prone! I’ve said from day one he would bust! (Did that soft hit really just knock him out for the season, again?) Just focus on what you’re good at like being a playboy! Ryan Leaf had a punk attitude and went nowhere but bustville. All these x-pros turned analyst cant believe it because they don’t understand it. It doesn’t fit into their X’s and O’s. Step outside your tiny box and enjoy the ride. Every now and then, and athlete emerges that cant be explained. If a Tebow falls in the woods, do you hear it?

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