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Last three first-round holdouts about money, not fourth-year guarantee

Nate Solder, Robert Kraft, Jonathan Kraft AP

There’s a common misconception in media circles that the last three unsigned first-round picks — No. 17 (Pats offensive lineman Nate Solder), No. 18 (Charger defensive tackle Corey Liuget), and No. 19 (Giants cornerback Prince Amukamara) — have yet to agree to terms because the players want all four years of their contracts to be guaranteed, but the teams will only guarantee three.

But that issue has taken on less importance after the signing of the Phil Taylor contract at No. 21.  Though the teams may have previously argued that the four-year guarantee that the Bucs gave to defensive end Adrian Clayborn at No. 20 was an aberration, the decision of the Browns to guarantee part of Taylor’s compensation in year four and to push the rest of what would have been guaranteed to a non-guaranteed roster bonus due on the first day of the 2014 League Year has made it much harder for the Pats, Chargers, and Giants to continue to resist guaranteeing all four years.

The bigger issue, we’re told, is the total pay.  As previously explained, Clayborn not only surpassed the total compensation pegged for him under the pick-by-pick wage formula, but Clayborn also overshot the amount allocated for Amukamara at No. 19.

Before going any farther into the nuances and details of the rookie wage scale, it’s important to point out that the new system does not establish a specific amount for each pick.  Instead, every team gets an allocation for all draft picks based on the pick-by-pick formula that was developed by the NFL and the NFLPA, and that wasn’t supposed to be disclosed to the teams and agents.  Thus, a team could give more money to some draft picks, leaving less for the others picked by that team.

Based on our assessment of the numbers, the Giants have more than enough money remaining after paying all other draft picks to give Amukamara more than Clayborn.  By our calculations, the Giants can overshoot Amukamara’s projected total value of $8.18 million by nearly $600,000.  Whether they can and whether they will are two different issues, however.

The Amukamara standoff is causing Liuget to wait, which in turn is causing Solder to wait.

One way or another, this logjam needs to break, soon.  We’re not talking about huge dollars in the grand scheme of things, and the teams and players already are pressed for time to get ready for the 2011 regular season.

UPDATE:  Based on the deals done on Thursday afternoon by Liuget at No. 18 and Solder at No. 17, the guarantee remained an issue, despite the Clayborn and Taylor contracts.  The players apparently chose to cave, even though the floor clearly had been set by Clayborn and Taylor.

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33 Responses to “Last three first-round holdouts about money, not fourth-year guarantee”
  1. unbreakable02215 says: Aug 4, 2011 11:19 AM

    Solder should sign a contract and get his ass in
    Camp. He’s only hurting himself. No off-season,
    Light has re-signed. He’s behind the 8 ball already. Stop listening to your f$$$ing agent and
    get to work. You’re a Rookie who has done
    nothing at the Pro level. Get in camp.

  2. thehighhat says: Aug 4, 2011 11:19 AM

    Leave it to Dominik and the Bucs to screw up this “rookie wage scale” right out of the gate!

  3. flagstaffphotos says: Aug 4, 2011 11:24 AM

    You said “Logjam” – were you referring to the award-winning movie about cable TV repair starring Bunny Lebowski?

    Or, were you just being fatuous?

  4. bozosforall says: Aug 4, 2011 11:25 AM

    unbreakable02215 says:
    Aug 4, 2011 11:19 AM
    Solder should sign a contract and get his ass in
    Camp. He’s only hurting himself. No off-season,
    Light has re-signed. He’s behind the 8 ball already. Stop listening to your f$$$ing agent and
    get to work. You’re a Rookie who has done
    nothing at the Pro level. Get in camp.

    __
    Guess he’s not buying into “The Pusstriot Way”. LMAO

  5. thephantomstranger says: Aug 4, 2011 11:26 AM

    Get into camp or your whole rookie year will be lost. It’s harder to learn this stuff than you think.

  6. rc33 says: Aug 4, 2011 11:28 AM

    Worst part about the Solder thing is he’s a rookie with a lot of upside but needs all the work he can get. He needs reps and the first preseason game is a week away. This guy will be of no value the first half of the season, maybe his entire rookie year.
    Nice job Athletes First…Athletes Foot…or whoever the hell is representing him.

  7. mmmpieyummy says: Aug 4, 2011 11:29 AM

    Umm, excuse me…but isn’t it ALWAYS about money?

  8. biggerballz says: Aug 4, 2011 11:30 AM

    bucs, cardinals, bengels, bills always fighting over who has the worst and cheapest ownership.

  9. chc4 says: Aug 4, 2011 11:32 AM

    This is just three agents afraid to make a deal and have it be $1 less than the guy behind him. And both the team and players get the shaft (mostly the player). Agents are scum.

  10. adogdc says: Aug 4, 2011 11:32 AM

    $600K is alot of money if that will be your only contract ever in the NFL, I can understand the logic of holding out a week or two if neccessary…..

    2nd contracts aren’t gaurenteed if the average life of a NFL player is 3 years….

  11. ibeshane says: Aug 4, 2011 11:33 AM

    Dumb…

  12. bigginfragable says: Aug 4, 2011 11:35 AM

    Great move by Dominick. Got his guy signed as the first 1st rounder and tossed a wrench in to the mix of the other GM’s. BEAUTIFUL.

    For all those who called the Bucs cheap, they paid above “value” for someone that will help them win for years to come.

    Rest of the league – adjust, react, get over it and quit your whining.

  13. ampats says: Aug 4, 2011 11:40 AM

    Funny the Bucs with tons of cap room can manage to screw up the formula negotiated in the lockout.

    Everyone will be signed within a day or two. Its too bad Solder has missed time but at least Matt Light will be there to man TB’s left side while Solder learns.

  14. strctlylo says: Aug 4, 2011 11:43 AM

    “There’s a common misconception in media circles that the last three unsigned first-round picks — No. 17 (Pats offensive lineman Nate Solder), No. 18 (Charger defensive tackle Corey Liuget), and No. 19 (Giants cornerback Prince Amukamara) — have yet to agree to terms because the players want all four years of their contracts to be guaranteed, but the teams will only guarantee three.”

    Maybe because that’s the information you’ve been spewing on this site for the past week.

  15. hobartbaker says: Aug 4, 2011 11:45 AM

    A year ago if these guys offered to sign for the amounts they are now holding out for, teams would have delivered the entire amount of the contract to their homes in cash. In suitcases full of unmarked bills delivered by limousine.

  16. CKL says: Aug 4, 2011 11:45 AM

    Nate wants to be a Solder of fortune I guess. :P

    I wonder how many first rounders ended up with all 4 years guaranteed?

  17. giantjeff says: Aug 4, 2011 11:50 AM

    Hey Prince! You come from royalty! You have plenty of money; sign the damn deal rookie and get your royal punk-ass in camp!

  18. homelanddefense says: Aug 4, 2011 12:00 PM

    I wasnt thrilled with the Pats pick at first, and Im liking it less and less. If they were gonna go tackle it should have been Castanzo anyway….

  19. FinFan68 says: Aug 4, 2011 12:03 PM

    If they are truly looking at what other players of different positions are making, they are making a self-centered mistake. Sign a fair deal and get to work. Earn the big contract after this one. There shouldn’t be much wiggle room for entry level guys to demand money.

  20. pkrjones says: Aug 4, 2011 12:03 PM

    Me, Me, Me… that’s what these guys are telling their teammates.

    “Thus, a team could give more money to some draft picks, leaving less for the others picked by that team.”

    Way to screw-over your fellow draftees by taking your share and 1/4 of all of the others’ shares, as well. D-Bags!!

  21. deadeye says: Aug 4, 2011 12:03 PM

    The NFL screwed up by failing to actually slot the salary for rookies based on draft position. This is a trend that will grow. The rookie salaries are reduced, but the holdouts aren’t going away.

  22. icanspeel says: Aug 4, 2011 12:08 PM

    Good news for Chargers fans

    Per UT: The Chargers appear close to a deal with first-round draft pick Corey Liuget.

    Liuget was at Chargers Park the first two days of training camp but had been away since last Thursday night. He showed up back at the facility Thursday morning, and one source said the expectation is that he will sign his contract this afternoon.

  23. adogdc says: Aug 4, 2011 12:14 PM

    chc4 says:
    Aug 4, 2011 11:32 AM
    This is just three agents afraid to make a deal and have it be $1 less than the guy behind him. And both the team and players get the shaft (mostly the player). Agents are scum.

    $600K multiplied by 3% = $18,000.

    Nice chucnk of additional change as well for the agent, keep in mind…..

  24. jnbnet says: Aug 4, 2011 12:15 PM

    Worst part about the Solder thing is he’s a rookie with a lot of upside but needs all the work he can get. He needs reps and the first preseason game is a week away. This guy will be of no value the first half of the season, maybe his entire rookie year.
    Nice job Athletes First…Athletes Foot…or whoever the hell is representing him.

    ==================================

    Solder knows tht he will be sitting behind Matt Light. If Light stays healthy, Solder will have the luxury of being eased into the position. Having said that, I agree that he should get his butt in camp. You can never make up for the lost time. Just about every year, we have seen rookies flop because of lenghty hold outs.

  25. jnbnet says: Aug 4, 2011 12:19 PM

    bozosforall says:
    Aug 4, 2011 11:25 AM
    __
    Guess he’s not buying into “The Pusstriot Way”. LMAO

    ================================
    I read this and asked myself, “What kind of Bozo would write something like this?” Then I looked up.

  26. bigperm33 says: Aug 4, 2011 12:27 PM

    Why didn’t they just set an amount for each pick, especially in the first round, to avoid these absurd holdouts that are not in anyone’s favor. I am sure I am forgetting someone, but I feel like any time a rookie holds out for a significant amount of time, the player ends up suffering and not playing well. and the team does as well because the team loses out on having its #1 pick.

  27. ytsejamer1 says: Aug 4, 2011 12:41 PM

    If the players and NFL really hammered out this rookie wage scale, the NFL should have declined the Bucs contract to their pick, forcing them to fall in line.

    Losers.

    I agree with the first poster…Solder needs to get his ass in camp. If he’s worth it, that few hundred K isn’t going to be an issue for him to earn down the line.

  28. bunjy96 says: Aug 4, 2011 12:55 PM

    Thought the new CBA and rookie compensation package also had a clause about holding out.

    Thought there was some kind of penalty.

  29. cappa662 says: Aug 4, 2011 1:15 PM

    Business before play. Get your money right.

  30. bowlhounds says: Aug 4, 2011 1:26 PM

    jnbnet says:
    Aug 4, 2011 12:19 PM
    bozosforall says:
    Aug 4, 2011 11:25 AM
    __
    Guess he’s not buying into “The Pusstriot Way”. LMAO

    ================================
    I read this and asked myself, “What kind of Bozo would write something like this?” Then I looked up.

    Dont pick on Bozo, its probably a sin. On the other hand, I just heard his winter job is all set as a mall xmas tree since he always seems to be green with envy and jealousy and red with the yearly shame that comes with following a team that is always on its back side looking up at the winners in this league.

  31. anarchopurplism says: Aug 4, 2011 1:30 PM

    Make the remaining difference incentive laden………

    Oh you missed camp & now you suck……..too bad.

    Oh your so good & now you achieved the goal…..good for you.

    Gotta get in camp. Its a new level baby…..

  32. blackstonevalleykettlebells says: Aug 4, 2011 1:45 PM

    typical cheap krafts. Give Solder the money so I don’t have to watch some 3rd rate safety take out Tom Brady’s other knee

  33. kate773 says: Aug 4, 2011 3:03 PM

    blackstonevalleykettlebells says:
    Aug 4, 2011 1:45 PM
    typical cheap krafts. Give Solder the money so I don’t have to watch some 3rd rate safety take out Tom Brady’s other knee

    *************************************

    Seriously? Ugh. The Krafts aren’t cheap, they spend to the cap every year.

    BTW- Solder just signed. Guess Kraft isn’t as cheap as you’re complaining.

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