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Ryan Clark, radio host nearly came to blows on Wednesday

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Somehow lost (at least by us) in the public griping by Steelers safety Ryan Clark regarding certain aspects of the new CBA is the fact that Clark and radio host Joe Bendel nearly came to blows at training camp on Wednesday.

According to Scott Brown of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, the trouble began after Bendel asked Clark whether his complaints against Commissioner Roger Goodell and the owners generally apply to Steelers owner Art Rooney, II.

The situation thereafter escalated, and a member of the Steelers P.R. staff along with safety Will Allen had to defuse the situation.

Given that the personal conduct policy also encompasses workplace violence, it would be ironic (and perhaps fitting) if Clark were investigated and ultimately disciplined under the personal conduct policy for expressing his feelings about the personal conduct policy.

Though Steelers players often make good points about the league’s current procedures for fines arising from on-field and off-field conduct, the manner in which they express those views sometimes undermines their position.  If they could learn how to communicate their beliefs without using gay slurs, without failing to understand the procedures currently in place, and without allowing their emotions to nearly lead to violence, more people would listen to what they have to say.

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  1. tomsd1 says: Aug 6, 2011 12:16 AM

    And does anybody really care about some little media geek?

  2. davikes says: Aug 6, 2011 12:17 AM

    My money is on Clark.

  3. vahawker says: Aug 6, 2011 12:21 AM

    If they could learn how to communicate their beliefs without using gay slurs, without failing to understand the procedures currently in place, and without allowing their emotions to nearly lead to violence, more people would listen to what they have to say:
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    Translation: If they had half a brain and knew how (or attempted) to use it.

  4. Deb says: Aug 6, 2011 12:24 AM

    You make a good point … but then there’s that jibe about the gay slur. You know that’s a vulgar slang term a lot of guys throw out–probably a lot of guys posting here who’ll feign an interest in gay issues just to take shots at the Steelers. Harrison has apologized to the gay community for that, so why keep bringing it up? Maybe if sports writers would stop deliberately baiting guys like James and Ryan, who have short fuses, they wouldn’t go off like rockets. Troy routinely gives interviews on these topics and doesn’t go off like a rocket … but somehow his interviews don’t make headlines, do they?

    It’s been a stressful summer for the players. All teams should close practices to the press. There now … problem solved :D

  5. benh999 says: Aug 6, 2011 12:27 AM

    How is it such a great team has such awful players and fans?

  6. melonnhead says: Aug 6, 2011 12:28 AM

    Roid rage.

  7. dbellina says: Aug 6, 2011 12:29 AM

    At least he’s not raping anyone.

  8. lennydpocketqb says: Aug 6, 2011 12:31 AM

    Mark Madden would have put Ryan Clark on his ass.

  9. fb80 says: Aug 6, 2011 12:34 AM

    Classy.. From top to bottom, classy…

  10. hobartbaker says: Aug 6, 2011 12:40 AM

    Once he was injected with the female estrogen masking agent, Ryan quickly became docile and manageable again.

  11. steelnucs says: Aug 6, 2011 12:43 AM

    Thanks for the lecture, o pious and politically correct one.

    I doubt it almost “came to blows.” There would have been only one “blow”, then that radio guy would have been planted.

  12. jediwrstlr says: Aug 6, 2011 12:44 AM

    And if this site wasn’t so ANTI-Steelers….this wouldn’t be a story.

  13. chowface86 says: Aug 6, 2011 12:47 AM

    I heard Brett Favre was spying on Roethlisberger while he was taking a dump.

  14. ravenator says: Aug 6, 2011 12:57 AM

    Bahaha, more drama…

  15. newagerocker says: Aug 6, 2011 12:58 AM

    The beatings will continue until morale improves.

  16. ccoolahan14 says: Aug 6, 2011 1:02 AM

    And that brings the total number of Ryan Clark posts this summer to 10,000. Yes, that Ryan Clark, the below average safety who no one would ever talk about if he didn’t play for the NFL league office’s favorite team. And people wonder why the AFC North is rigged.

  17. couldntthinkofaname says: Aug 6, 2011 1:16 AM

    tomsd1 says: Aug 6, 2011 12:16 AM

    And does anybody really care about some little media geek?

    _________________________________

    Yeah, you’re right. NFL players should be allowed to rough up members of the media at will.

  18. bharvey1113 says: Aug 6, 2011 1:21 AM

    No one cares. It’s a Steeler and everyone knows you hate them. Pitiful article seeing there’s no proof and no comments from anyone. Pass Journalism 101 before you interject your biased incoherent opinions.

  19. occamssabre says: Aug 6, 2011 1:27 AM

    What a classy guy…..right Stealer fans?

  20. cobibones13 says: Aug 6, 2011 1:40 AM

    Ryan Clark gets way too much publicity for a barely average starter. I’m sure he’ll go on a little media tour to put a good spin on this incident.

  21. steelcurtainn says: Aug 6, 2011 1:49 AM

    Better watch out Joe Bendel before u get knocked out by Ryan Clark like Willis Mcgahee did a few yrs ago.

  22. kyleortonsarm says: Aug 6, 2011 1:50 AM

    >implying a Steeler can express any feelings without turning into a mid-evil primate troglodyte. They’re Steelers for a reason you know. If they had class and brains they’d have been playing in Denver.

  23. MichaelEdits says: Aug 6, 2011 1:59 AM

    Is he a grown-a** man?

  24. mikeypanic says: Aug 6, 2011 2:08 AM

    keep knocking mothereffers out #25.

  25. mmmpieyummy says: Aug 6, 2011 2:14 AM

    Such a professional way to communicate Ryan…and this guy is the Steelers player rep?

    This should tell you all you need to know about what a punk-filled roster this organization has become.

  26. tednguyen73 says: Aug 6, 2011 2:25 AM

    Not surprising…players just like fans.

  27. patpatriotagain says: Aug 6, 2011 2:30 AM

    there’s a bunch of those media guys who are real snarky and try to make a name for themselves by goading players into disputes. IF clark had just dismissed him without giving him anything to post, he would have won, but instead this guy gets pub today. This is why the patriots respond to the media the way they do.

  28. pthompson1187 says: Aug 6, 2011 2:36 AM

    Who’s Ryan Clark? Lol

  29. spartytime says: Aug 6, 2011 3:53 AM

    damn steelers are gonna be in trouuubbbllleeee with the new HGH policy.

  30. billsfan1 says: Aug 6, 2011 4:14 AM

    Next time I’m at the store, ill pick up a jumbo box of tissues and the economy size box of tampons for Clark and Harrison.

  31. footballhistorian says: Aug 6, 2011 4:47 AM

    Stay classy Steelers. In your pinheaded minds the world should be kissing your @$$e$ daily but you are nothing but a bunch of gangsters.

  32. raqaiw says: Aug 6, 2011 4:56 AM

    Another Steeler getting negative press for doing/saying something stupid. Nothing new to see here folks.

  33. jaimelh02 says: Aug 6, 2011 5:03 AM

    who’s ryan clark? lol

  34. metaldeth says: Aug 6, 2011 5:32 AM

    tomsd1 is right, nobody cares about Ryan Clack

  35. billsfan1122 says: Aug 6, 2011 5:49 AM

    Dirtiest active NFL player…

  36. cleverbob says: Aug 6, 2011 6:17 AM

    “Though Steelers players often make good points about the league’s current procedures for fines arising from on-field and off-field conduct, the manner in which they express those views sometimes undermines their position.”

    That’s putting it lightly. I suppose they should try to be nicer to women, too?

  37. rezen73 says: Aug 6, 2011 6:28 AM

    Sounds a lot like PETA.

  38. sixburghsteelers says: Aug 6, 2011 6:33 AM

    The only story here is why Clark is wearing jersey # 21 now…

  39. CKL says: Aug 6, 2011 6:41 AM

    The more I hear about and from Ryan Clark, the more I dislike him. Sounds like the radio guy asked him a question that was designed to expose any hypocrisy he might spew (yeah Art’s awesome all other owners are evil??) and he didn’t like it. He praised Rooney according to the article referenced, but the CBA was voted on 31-0-1 in favor by the owners and Rooney wasn’t the abstention, while the Steelers players made it know they voted it down. I would say that signifies a large difference of opinion with their owner, but maybe that’s just me. Certainly they have a right to vote it down and disagree with ownership but I don’t see much point in continuing to complain now. Both sides made their opinions known via their votes, it’s voted on and signed. MOVE ON.

    Clark is often on tv on ESPN First Take and should understand how to have a debate without almost getting into a fistfight since the segment he’s on most often is “1st & 10″. I used to think that Anthony Smith was the biggest tool who has played safety for Pitt, but Clark has him beat by a mile.

  40. seabass231 says: Aug 6, 2011 6:50 AM

    Being from Pittsburgh, the irony is that he’s anything but a “little” media geek…he’s actually a pretty big guy…that seemed to be at least a factor in the confrontation.

  41. backdapack says: Aug 6, 2011 6:58 AM

    i guess the “Standard” is to act like a complete JERK!!!!!

  42. hoosierdude says: Aug 6, 2011 7:06 AM

    Probably more than they care about Ryan Clark,

  43. stixzidinia says: Aug 6, 2011 7:11 AM

    The Steelers are clearly the only organization in the league with the stones to stand up for the game and stand up against clowns like Roger Goodell that would see the integrity of the game ruined. The rest of you are just lemmings eating what you’re told to eat and liking it because you’re told to like it.

  44. mswravens says: Aug 6, 2011 7:45 AM

    There are some serious anger management issues on that squad. It is football. It is violent. I’m sure there’s anger issues in every locker room, but they seem to be too big to contain in Pburgh… Hmmm…

  45. mattyc says: Aug 6, 2011 7:53 AM

    tomsd1 said:
    “And does anybody really care about some little media geek?”

    Awe… Did someone say something about the precious stool city? Wow, regardless the crime (Rape, battery on a woman, assault, etc) you toothless piss & tar fans still stick up for these “stand up citizens” of Pissburgh.

    I guess I’m not surprised, espcially when the City Mantra is “The more the kin the deeper in” as well as the scene from Joe Dirt when he was sleeping with whom he thought was his sister took place in Pittsburgh.

  46. contract says: Aug 6, 2011 7:54 AM

    Can a single team go on strike?

  47. pappysarcasm says: Aug 6, 2011 8:07 AM

    Too bad he didnt take a swing at him! Will Allen and the PR staff need to take the roids away from Clark. Drug test coming soon!

  48. 2ndaryinsanity says: Aug 6, 2011 8:15 AM

    Man, what is it with the Steelers’ players?? It looks like they’ve got a problem with impulse control. They continue to say & do idiotic things that reflect poorly on themselves AND the organization as a whole.

  49. xfathertimex says: Aug 6, 2011 8:22 AM

    its not the media geek its the way clark and the other steeler players act.. they have no regard for the rules they should follow. most of them just like to run their mouth. they sound like a bunch of women.. ward gets a dui and tries to deny it.. harrison is always running his mouth. clark cant shut up.. mendenhall is borderline osama bin laden lover.. bumbling ben is a rapist who gets married quick just for a PR move.. that whole team is a joke

  50. surly1n1nd1anapol1s says: Aug 6, 2011 8:23 AM

    What else would you expect from a Steelers player?

  51. fb1979 says: Aug 6, 2011 8:35 AM

    So sick of hearing about this clown, I guess this is how average players get there name out.

  52. 2ndaryinsanity says: Aug 6, 2011 8:35 AM

    Stixzidinia…it amazes me that you (and SO MANY others) continue to defend these guys! Any valid points the players may have are nullified by their boneheaded words and actions.

  53. laxer37 says: Aug 6, 2011 8:44 AM

    Shocking development: a guy paid to blow up offensive players has a short fuse.

    Can we play football already? I’m tired of the media trying to make news where there isn’t any.

  54. Waxxx4321 says: Aug 6, 2011 8:44 AM

    Say what you want about Clark that guy can HIT he learned from the best the late Sean Taylor…HAIL Skins!

  55. CKL says: Aug 6, 2011 9:00 AM

    stixzidinia says: Aug 6, 2011 7:11 AM

    The Steelers are clearly the only organization in the league with the stones to stand up for the game and stand up against clowns like Roger Goodell that would see the integrity of the game ruined. The rest of you are just lemmings eating what you’re told to eat and liking it because you’re told to like it.
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    So I assume you applaud Mike Brown and Ralph Wilson in 06 when they voted against the CBA, and Al Davis this year for abstaining?

    Clark almost coming to blows with a radio interviewer led to this hagiography from you??? That’s your definition of having the stones to stand up for the game?????

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m a little irked about gas prices so I am heading to Sheetz to punch out the gas station manager. I will return to await breathlessly your applause for my….”courage and stones”.

  56. dd393 says: Aug 6, 2011 9:05 AM

    The Steelers’ offseason is almost as good as the Bengals’ offseason.

  57. jw731 says: Aug 6, 2011 9:17 AM

    All he had to say was “no comment” and walk away…….Of course the media baits people, and they know exactly what idiot to bait……

  58. steeltownpride says: Aug 6, 2011 9:24 AM

    kyleortonsarm says:
    Aug 6, 2011 1:50 AM
    >implying a Steeler can express any feelings without turning into a mid-evil primate troglodyte. They’re Steelers for a reason you know. If they had class and brains they’d have been playing in Denver.

    HMMMM interesting statement . Did you say this before you realized who is actually on your team ? Google Parrish Cox then re-examine what you said ok ? DONK

  59. effjohntaylornorelation says: Aug 6, 2011 9:28 AM

    The type of anger and emotion some of the Steelers display makes me wonder two things: 1) How many of these bozo’s will wind up in prison (or how many of them would already be there if they weren’t unfairly given amazing athletic ability by God with no sense to match); 2) When and at what point will Steelers ownership and management take control of this by trying to educate these few but growing group of immature men about woking within the confines of reason and conducting yourself as a professional.

    More blood doping!

  60. wvfinfan says: Aug 6, 2011 9:31 AM

    I wish he would have hit the guy. It would have been awesome to see him fined and suspended by the league. It would also have been awesome to see a multimillion dollar civil suit against him from the lawyer.

    Then Mr. Clark would have known what poor was like again! He then might realize how lucky he is. That is only other profession outside of football has the phrase, “You want fries with that” or “Hey man, You want buy some pills”

  61. ravenfan820 says: Aug 6, 2011 9:43 AM

    and any of us should be surprised when the Steeler players act like ignorant bullies?

  62. stuartscottslefteye says: Aug 6, 2011 9:48 AM

    @ Deb

    “Maybe if sports writers would stop deliberately baiting guys like James and Ryan, who have short fuses, they wouldn’t go off like rockets.”
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    Huh? Are you kidding me? That’s like saying “maybe if you hadn’t worn that mini-skirt you wouldn’t have been raped.”

    However, I like your other point about closing practices off to the media; however, fans are starved for football related news – and with most teams closing practices off to the fans due to the lockout, the media is their only link to the players.

  63. londonbengal says: Aug 6, 2011 9:51 AM

    What more do you expect from a pig than a grunt ?

  64. melikefootball says: Aug 6, 2011 9:55 AM

    Wow one thing this site has showed no matter what topic pertains to the Steelers, the hate comes out. I know here in Baltimore we start to talk football at the office and everytime the Steelers come up. For us we hate to play them as fans because we just can’t eat before the games knowing they always seem to find one play to beat us, then throw up. But why do so many other teams fans hate them so much????

  65. alreggie says: Aug 6, 2011 10:02 AM

    Can’t believe some people. Clark just trying to make a name for himself. Who else but the Steelers would want that jerk.

  66. bucks12965 says: Aug 6, 2011 10:20 AM

    So you’re suggesting Ryan Clark maybe disciplined for almost coming to blows?

    If he didn’t initiate any physical contact (which clearly he didn’t, or your article would have said so), there is nothing to see here.

  67. arizonaben11 says: Aug 6, 2011 10:26 AM

    I find it hard to believe that you Steeler fans are actually sticking up for Clark. Are you freaking serious? The guy is supposed to be a pro athlete and he’s trying to fight a reporter…..

    Deb, your solution is to close off the media to these guys because they are all under stress? Seriously? That’s almost as bad as you defending Ben’s actions in Georgia because the girl had a DTF button on…..amazing…

  68. ncoolong says: Aug 6, 2011 10:38 AM

    Not that any of you are interested in Clark’s side of the story…

    “People keep tweeting me about my “disagreement” w a reporter. I’m fine w the way it went. I never touched him. Period. 2 men disagreed! So”

  69. enders9 says: Aug 6, 2011 10:43 AM

    Deb says: Aug 6, 2011 12:24 AM

    You make a good point … but then there’s that jibe about the gay slur. You know that’s a vulgar slang term a lot of guys throw out–probably a lot of guys posting here who’ll feign an interest in gay issues just to take shots at the Steelers. Harrison has apologized to the gay community for that, so why keep bringing it up? Maybe if sports writers would stop deliberately baiting guys like James and Ryan, who have short fuses, they wouldn’t go off like rockets. Troy routinely gives interviews on these topics and doesn’t go off like a rocket … but somehow his interviews don’t make headlines, do they?

    It’s been a stressful summer for the players. All teams should close practices to the press. There now … problem solved :D

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    What a stupid/terrible attempt at excusing their behavior. lol@ blaming their behavior on other people. If a female sibling/friend of yours gets raped are you going to blame her for wearing provocative clothing?

  70. corndogluv says: Aug 6, 2011 10:44 AM

    lack of intelligents in these situations usually leads to violents.

  71. ryanclark25 says: Aug 6, 2011 10:46 AM

    beginning to have serious regrets about my username :P

    my favourite player for his style of play and heart and i think he’s underrated but he’s quickly becoming a national joke. this offseason has been an embarrassment as a steeler fan i don’t care what any of the biased ones among us have to say.

  72. 3octaveFart says: Aug 6, 2011 10:58 AM

    Once again, PFT turns to their tried-n-true page click generator – nothing bring the idiots out of the woodwork like an article about the Steelers.

  73. GoodOldBDawk says: Aug 6, 2011 11:13 AM

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    stixzidinia says:
    Aug 6, 2011 7:11 AM
    The Steelers are clearly the only organization in the league with the stones to stand up for the game and stand up against clowns like Roger Goodell that would see the integrity of the game ruined. The rest of you are just lemmings eating what you’re told to eat and liking it because you’re told to like it.
    _________________

    Yes, we are all idiots for not getting behind a loudmouth dirty player who can’t admit when he’s wrong… and his clan of teammates who are either too stupid or too scared of him to go against any of his idiotic comments.

    Oh no!! Please release my mind from Roger Goodell!!

  74. breedja says: Aug 6, 2011 11:20 AM

    This guy is always doing dumb S to get his name out there. He’s a mediocre player who’s trying to get something written about him on PFT.

  75. dumbaseinstien says: Aug 6, 2011 11:35 AM

    @ benh999

    How is it that with such great ignorance, you managed to turn on a computer & figure out how to make a post? I guess that serum showcased in the planet of the Apes really does work!

  76. 2ndaryinsanity says: Aug 6, 2011 11:39 AM

    When players have a “reputation” for losing their temper, of course the media will try to bait them into saying/doing something stupid. That shouldn’t be an excuse. Players are supposed to be grown-up’s and conduct themselves as professionals. For all you Steelers fans…the reason so many people are dogging your team is because several players have acted like a jacka##.

  77. pittrd2011 says: Aug 6, 2011 11:40 AM

    My money on Joe Bendel. He is alot bigger then Ryan Clark. I had read post football career Ryan wanted to do NFL TV work. Well he showed he doesn’t play well with others when he doesn’t like whats said. What is he gona do wave finger in Howie Longs face? Or Chris Berman?

  78. espnfeedback says: Aug 6, 2011 12:34 PM

    Ryan Clark is proving every single day that he is a MAN whose heart pumps nitro and not kool-aid. He believes in something whole heartedly and is willing to stand in the public square amongst cowards, liars and the ignorant to proclaim loudly that which he believes; Unlike the vast majority.

    And to all that have attempted to cast age old stereotypes and are ill informed about Ryan Clark, he is a College Graduate with highest honors and he will indeed be one of the hottest commodities for All the networks when his career is through.

    @espnfeedback

  79. CKL says: Aug 6, 2011 12:46 PM

    3octaveFart says: Aug 6, 2011 10:58 AM

    Once again, PFT turns to their tried-n-true page click generator – nothing bring the idiots out of the woodwork like an article about the Steelers.
    _______________________________________
    I could say the same for you and Pats articles.

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    ryanclark25 says: Aug 6, 2011 10:46 AM

    beginning to have serious regrets about my username :P

    my favourite player for his style of play and heart and i think he’s underrated but he’s quickly becoming a national joke. this offseason has been an embarrassment as a steeler fan i don’t care what any of the biased ones among us have to say.
    _____________________________________
    LOL, we all have guys on our favorite team who we wish would shut up.
    I’m surprised Clark is one of those quite frankly. I had always given him a little more credit than that for media savvy prior to this past season/lockout.

    Now this guy should be your fan role model, 3octaveFart. He’s no blind homer.

  80. TheDPR says: Aug 6, 2011 12:55 PM

    “lack of intelligents in these situations usually leads to violents.”

    I have to admit this made me LOL.

  81. Deb says: Aug 6, 2011 1:10 PM

    @arizonaben11 …

    I never defended Roethlisberger’s behavior because the woman in Georgia was wearing a DTF pin. The evidence shows there was no rape. Both the woman and Roethlisberger behaved like drunken boors. As a rape survivor myself, I don’t defend rapists. And I don’t appreciate having my comments on such a serious subject distorted by little dirtbags trying to make points on a football blog. Grow up.

  82. Deb says: Aug 6, 2011 1:18 PM

    stuartscottslefteye says:
    Aug 6, 2011 9:48 AM
    @ Deb

    “Maybe if sports writers would stop deliberately baiting guys like James and Ryan, who have short fuses, they wouldn’t go off like rockets.”
    ———————————————-

    Huh? Are you kidding me? That’s like saying “maybe if you hadn’t worn that mini-skirt you wouldn’t have been raped.”

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    No, it is not comparable. You and enders9 are either trying to make allusions to the Roethlisberger situation or trying to jack me up because I’m a rape survivor. Either way, it’s a dirty business. Women aren’t baiting predators simply by walking down the street. And if you knew anything about predators, you’d know that’s an issue of power and control–which is why victims have been as young as 6 months or as old as 90. So what they wear is irrelevant. (And before anyone else starts with that DTF pin, she wasn’t raped.)

    The reporter deliberately tried to goad Clark into losing his temper and succeeded. He did that because headlines about the Steelers bring out the night crawlers like you guys who are stupid enough to carry on like bad tempers are unique to one team. Gee … you guys have become Mike’s bread and butter. And my comment about banning the media was a good-natured shot at him, which you might have caught if your IQs went above double digits.

  83. Deb says: Aug 6, 2011 1:26 PM

    @ryanclark25 and CKL …

    I’ve had my issues with Ryan, but you shouldn’t let this episode put you off the guy. These bottom feeders practically have degrees in how to bait their targets for the express purpose of generating headlines. Ethical journalists report the news, they don’t try to create the news.

    CKL, you’re too smart to let an episode like this have you passing such harsh judgments on Clark. He’s a bright guy, and I’m proud of his principled stand against Goodell’s megalomania. You don’t belong in the same company with the goons who post these idiotic anti-Steeler diatribes every time our team is mentioned in a headline. I’m amazed most of them can even figure out how to submit a post.

  84. enders9 says: Aug 6, 2011 1:36 PM

    Deb says: Aug 6, 2011 1:18 PM

    stuartscottslefteye says:
    Aug 6, 2011 9:48 AM
    @ Deb

    “Maybe if sports writers would stop deliberately baiting guys like James and Ryan, who have short fuses, they wouldn’t go off like rockets.”
    ———————————————-

    Huh? Are you kidding me? That’s like saying “maybe if you hadn’t worn that mini-skirt you wouldn’t have been raped.”

    *****************************

    No, it is not comparable. You and enders9 are either trying to make allusions to the Roethlisberger situation or trying to jack me up because I’m a rape survivor. Either way, it’s a dirty business. Women aren’t baiting predators simply by walking down the street. And if you knew anything about predators, you’d know that’s an issue of power and control–which is why victims have been as young as 6 months or as old as 90. So what they wear is irrelevant. (And before anyone else starts with that DTF pin, she wasn’t raped.)

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    1. My rape comparison had nothing to do with Ben. It was only a comparison. You’re excusing Clarks behavior because the radio host supposedly baited him (though I don’t see anything that could count as baiting, he just asked a question); if the radio host hadn’t “baited” Clark, then Clark wouldn’t have done that. Well that is the same logic used by people who says girls wouldn’t be raped if they didn’t dress provocatively.

    2. I had forgotten that you are a rape survivor, so in hindsight that comparison was a bad one. So my apologies on that.

    As for your second paragraph, the question that reporter asked was not deliberating goading, it was a fair question. He’s been bashing the owners, and asking if HIS owner is included in those bashing is a fair question. There are plenty of ways he could have handle that more appropriately. A simple “next question” or “no comment” would have sufficed.

  85. Deb says: Aug 6, 2011 2:04 PM

    @enders9 …

    Apology accepted, thank you. Just had another go-round with a guy who’s been personally attacking me on that subject for a year. All the rape comments are just wearying. I recently had a Wizard of Oz analogy about throwing a bucket of water blocked, so their thought process in letting through all these vulgar rape jokes just escapes me.

    The linked article said Ryan defended Rooney but the situation escalated. So I take that to mean the reporter kept egging him on. There’s no question Ryan should have walked away. I’ve found the Steelers pretty wearying this off-season, too. But I have a media background and know how some of these guys operate. Frustrated as I am at Ryan, I still have no respect for these guys. With enough provocation, even the savviest people can snap.

  86. blchaney69 says: Aug 6, 2011 2:08 PM

    Wow, the media wont be happy until they destroy the world.. well, they arent far from being succesful!! problem with this site is that its run by media tools AND Lawyers..Worst combo possible!!

  87. CKL says: Aug 6, 2011 2:08 PM

    Deb says: Aug 6, 2011 1:26 PM

    @ryanclark25 and CKL …

    I’ve had my issues with Ryan, but you shouldn’t let this episode put you off the guy. These bottom feeders practically have degrees in how to bait their targets for the express purpose of generating headlines. Ethical journalists report the news, they don’t try to create the news.

    CKL, you’re too smart to let an episode like this have you passing such harsh judgments on Clark. He’s a bright guy, and I’m proud of his principled stand against Goodell’s megalomania. You don’t belong in the same company with the goons who post these idiotic anti-Steeler diatribes every time our team is mentioned in a headline. I’m amazed most of them can even figure out how to submit a post.
    ________________________________________
    I think it’s partly because he seems intelligent and has also been functioning as a member of the player/media on First Take that I am more surprised he would respond this way. But it’s not just this that has put me off about him. I don’t share your belief that the baiter is more to blame than the baitee, especially when the baitee is someone with some media experience. They are both wrong IMO.

    As he is a player rep and a player, I have no issue with him explaining the stance of his union whether I agree with him or not. It’s his job as a rep and his right as a player.

  88. footballislife1962 says: Aug 6, 2011 4:05 PM

    I love my Steelers but damn…..I think Troy needs to have a little sit down with some of these idiots on my team.

  89. blackngold4life says: Aug 6, 2011 4:24 PM

    I love to see all the Steeler hate on these threads DAILY.. ppl been callin them dirty since the 70s why stop now..Thats Pitts rep..thats how they ride..hard baked with no frostin!! Handle it and quit cryin m

  90. stuartscottslefteye says: Aug 6, 2011 7:27 PM

    @ Deb

    Not sure who you are referring to but I really don’t know anything about you (and would never harass a person about such a horrendous act!) other than an occasional post on this site. My post about the mini-skirt has nothing to do with you – or Big Ben. It’s a common analogy I’ve heard quite often (usually on talk radio in reference to a court case, or on court tv) used against those who blame the victim for a crime that has been perpetrated against them. I apologize if you took offense – and believe it or not I do enjoy your posts.

  91. axespray says: Aug 6, 2011 9:48 PM

    “They’re good players. They’re basically all the same guy, except for Jordy Nelson is Caucasian.”

    -Ryan Clark, Pittsburgh S, on the Green Bay receivers

    ^
    Just sayin’…. that’s the Steeler’s friggin’ player rep….

  92. gimmeabruschi says: Aug 6, 2011 9:52 PM

    Deb says: Aug 6, 2011 12:24 AM

    You make a good point … but then there’s that jibe about the gay slur. You know that’s a vulgar slang term a lot of guys throw out–probably a lot of guys posting here who’ll feign an interest in gay issues just to take shots at the Steelers. Harrison has apologized to the gay community for that, so why keep bringing it up? Maybe if sports writers would stop deliberately baiting guys like James and Ryan, who have short fuses, they wouldn’t go off like rockets. Troy routinely gives interviews on these topics and doesn’t go off like a rocket … but somehow his interviews don’t make headlines, do they?

    It’s been a stressful summer for the players. All teams should close practices to the press. There now … problem solved :D

    ________________________________

    Really, an apology doesn’t wipe the slate clean when a public figure uses what is considered a slur publicly. So you shouldn’t expect that such an incident will never be mentioned again. Saying “I sowwy” doesn’t cause it to have not happened.

    And I fail to see how a player having complained about the “owners” is being “baited” when asked if that applies to the owner of the team he is on.

    It seems a legitimate even if a tough question and certainly reflects badly upon the player when instead of just answering it, they go borderline medieval on the guy.

    Some Steeler players have done and said some stupid things. Don’t act like those things are just fine and dandy and the rest of the world is overreacting.

  93. Deb says: Aug 6, 2011 10:48 PM

    @stuartscottslefteye …

    Thank you. As I posted to enders9, was wearing my feelings on my sleeve on that subject today. Sorry for jumping on you guys unfairly … though I don’t think the analogy works in this instant. Journalists are rarely innocent victims in situations like this. Trust me … I have a degree in journalism ;) BTW, I love your user name.

    @gimmeabruschi …

    You have a hard time being objective when it comes to the Steelers. I’ve never excused their bad behavior. Supported Roethlisberger’s suspension even though I’m sure he’s innocent of sexual assault. Called out Hines for his DUI. Have called out Clark for some on-field issues. And was extremely hard on Harrison about his comments in that interview–even calling for a one-game suspension.

    But here’s my issue regarding Harrison’s use of that f-word: It’s a gay slur but also has a history as a generic slur. James was calling Goodell everything nasty thing that came to mind, and I don’t believe he was actually questioning his sexual orientation or even thought about insulting gays when he was ranting about the commish. In the initial aftermath of the article, the only thing James apologized for was insulting the gay community. I think that comment was more stupid and thoughtless than malicious. And I think Mike is a really smart guy who absolutely knows what I’m saying. That’s why I think it’s silly for him to keep bringing it up. But, no, I don’t expect gay fans to just forget it.

    The link for this bit on Ryan says he defended Rooney, but the discussion continued to escalate. That means the reporter didn’t let it go. Ryan should have walked away. He’s a smart guy with media experience. He knows better. But I’ve seen these barracudas in action. They know how to push buttons and do it deliberately just to get a reaction they can report. Maybe that’s not what happened, but that’s the nature of the business in 2011. And it’s completely unethical.

  94. gimmeabruschi says: Aug 7, 2011 3:23 AM

    @ Deb

    “You have a hard time being objective when it comes to the Steelers.” But you’re a fan, so it’s understandable.

    Unlike yourself, I’m not sure Ben is innocent of sexual assault and I am at a loss to understand how you can know that. What is known is that the prosecutor in Georgia felt there was not enough evidence to pursue the case and prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. This he repeated over and over. He never said Ben didn’t do it. He never said the accusation was false or frivolous. He claims he just didn’t have enough evidence to convict so he dropped it. That is hardly a vindication in the eyes of an unbiased observer not constrained by the burden of proof a court requires. Yet you see it as vindication.

    And by his own admission Bright didn’t even pursue the crime of furnishing alcohol to a minor. This certainly wasn’t a prosecutor that was aggressively pursuing violations of the law.

    Common sense says he probably did assault her considering the evidence that was revealed. The DA admits he was in the bathroom with her for about 10 minutes. The exam showed genital lacerations and bleeding. He claimed she fell and hit her head but no head injury was noted in the aftermath. There was male DNA (though not in sufficient quantities to identify an individual).

    But common sense goes out the window when we are a fan, right?

  95. blchaney69 says: Aug 7, 2011 12:11 PM

    @ Gimmeabruschi
    WHY ARE WE STILL DEBATING THIS? Seriously, give it a rest…its ancient history..if we are going to Discuss this, we might as well discuss if Ray Lewis Committed Murder, If OJ was Guilty, Are there really UFO’s out there.. Seriously? The legal system went thru its process. It Over.. So for ANY of us to sit here and say Ben Did or didnt do it is RIDICULOUS!! None of us will ever know.. There are 2 people that know what went on in that room.. For Steeler fans to say he didnt do it and for Steeler haters to call him a rapist, NONE OF YOU KNOW!! So you really should just leave it alone!!

  96. arizonaben11 says: Aug 7, 2011 1:29 PM

    Deb says:Aug 6, 2011 1:10 PM

    @arizonaben11 …

    I never defended Roethlisberger’s behavior because the woman in Georgia was wearing a DTF pin. The evidence shows there was no rape. Both the woman and Roethlisberger behaved like drunken boors. As a rape survivor myself, I don’t defend rapists. And I don’t appreciate having my comments on such a serious subject distorted by little dirtbags trying to make points on a football blog. Grow up

    ———————————————————-
    Wow, you call me a dirtbag, and then tell me to grow up. Deb, how does the evidence show there was no rape? The medical report showed slight tears and bruising, along with male DNA…read it. Was that enough to charge a multi-millionare with rape without the testimony of the only other person in that bathroom? No, it wasn’t. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, as much as you want to wish it to be true. We will never know for sure.

    What we do know is that Ben had a very young, very intoxicated girl brought into a dirty, cramped bathroom for his enjoyment. There was some attempt at intercourse, while her friends were kept from getting back there to help her out. If she was not raped, she was at the very least taken advantage of by a much older celebrity who in no way should be behaving like that and then trying to deny everything.

    Give up the blind homerism and name-calling and just try to root for your team, Deb. One day one of your Steelers is going to do something really bad, and you’re going to end up having a stroke trying to figure out how to defend him on here…..

  97. benh999 says: Aug 7, 2011 6:05 PM

    dumbaseinstien,
    Not being a Steelers fan, it is remarkably easy. Congrats to you for figuring it out though.

  98. dmobey says: Aug 7, 2011 6:06 PM

    Another scum bag Steeler showing his true colors.

    And of course several fans bending into pretzels to excuse the obviously boorish behavior.

  99. dmobey says: Aug 7, 2011 6:10 PM

    Form letter to help Steeler fans in the future.

    Dear xxxfill in name herexxx

    Why are you accusing xxxxfill in Steeler name herexxx of xxxfill in crime herexxx?

    If xxxfill in victim herexxx hadn’t baited him, xxxfill in Steeler name herexx would never have xxxfill in crime herexxx.

    As we all know, everyone is out to get the Steelers and will do anything to promote their agenda.

    Regardless, all the evidence shows that xxxfill in the Steeler name herexxx couldn’t have committed xxxfill in crime herexxx because the crime of xxxfill in crime herexxx didn’t even happen.

    Signed,

    Steeler fan

  100. dmobey says: Aug 7, 2011 6:12 PM

    Careful arizona, don’t disrupt her fantasy world or she’ll cry foul, victim, etc. and try to get you banned.

    ***************************************

    arizonaben11 says:
    Aug 7, 2011 1:29 PM
    Deb says:Aug 6, 2011 1:10 PM

    @arizonaben11 …

    I never defended Roethlisberger’s behavior because the woman in Georgia was wearing a DTF pin. The evidence shows there was no rape. Both the woman and Roethlisberger behaved like drunken boors. As a rape survivor myself, I don’t defend rapists. And I don’t appreciate having my comments on such a serious subject distorted by little dirtbags trying to make points on a football blog. Grow up

    ———————————————————-
    Wow, you call me a dirtbag, and then tell me to grow up. Deb, how does the evidence show there was no rape? The medical report showed slight tears and bruising, along with male DNA…read it. Was that enough to charge a multi-millionare with rape without the testimony of the only other person in that bathroom? No, it wasn’t. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, as much as you want to wish it to be true. We will never know for sure.

    What we do know is that Ben had a very young, very intoxicated girl brought into a dirty, cramped bathroom for his enjoyment. There was some attempt at intercourse, while her friends were kept from getting back there to help her out. If she was not raped, she was at the very least taken advantage of by a much older celebrity who in no way should be behaving like that and then trying to deny everything.

    Give up the blind homerism and name-calling and just try to root for your team, Deb. One day one of your Steelers is going to do something really bad, and you’re going to end up having a stroke trying to figure out how to defend him on here…..

  101. Deb says: Aug 7, 2011 8:55 PM

    @arizonaben11 and gimmeabruschi …

    I leave for a day and here you are, still obsessing on Roethlisberger. Don’t you have anything better to think about … seriously?

    arizonaben11, what part of “I’m a rape survivor myself” did you fail to understand? I have read the medical report and all the other police files and reviewed them with criminal defense attorneys and other specialists in the field. As someone who’s covered criminal trials and written for medical research organizations, I actually understand what I’m reading. Clearly, you do not.

    DNA is the genetic substance found in semen and other secretions. The exam found slight vaginal bruising and a small bleeding scratch, which are consistent with consensual sex and a number of other acts. The one infinitessimal speck of DNA found on her person was so small and degraded it could not be tested for identification even using the PCR method, which is the most advanced method for that purposed. No semen, pubic hair, condom lubricant, or other fluids normally found during intercourse–the only sex act she alleged–were found. The only logical conclusion about that DNA sample, given the level of degredation, was that it was left behind after she showered following an earlier sexual encounter. When asked if she’d had sex with anyone else that day, the DA said he could not violate her privacy by answering.

    I condemned Hines Ward for his DUI, I called for Harrison to be suspended by conducted detrimental to the team with his interview. I called for Roethlisberger to be suspended for conduct detrimental to the team with his behavior last summer. I have no problem calling out Steelers who do things wrong. You have simply jumped to conclusions about me that have no basis in fact. And I don’t appreciate it.

    @gimmeabruschi …

    DAs say what they are required to say publicly, which is that they do not have evidence to make a case. He does not want to slander the accuser. But the DA also said he believed the women’s accusations were alcohol-fueled and he hoped they learned their lesson. He said if Ben were his son he would tell him to grow up. And he said Ben would be welcome back in Milledgeville if he behaved himself. Fred Bright is a seasoned DA with an excellent reputation. You are not a child and should be able to grasp that those are not the words of a man who believes a rapist is getting away for lack of evidence. And as I have said, I know someone who worked the investigation, and every official involved in the case believed the women fabricated the accusation. You may not choose to believe me. But if you were able to talk to the GBI or Bright’s office, they would confirm that.

    The woman was not a “minor.” Bright made a point of saying she was about 20 and a half. The legal drinking age is 21. She was carrying a fake ID and had been buying her own drinks at other clubs before partaking of the rounds Ben was buying for the group at CapCity. It is the club’s responsibility to card its patrons, not Roethlisberger’s. That would have been a tough case to make. And since they believed the man had been falsely accused of rape, they had no desire to compound the situation.

  102. arizonaben11 says: Aug 7, 2011 10:30 PM

    @deb
    And as I have said, I know someone who worked the investigation, and every official involved in the case believed the women fabricated the accusation. You may not choose to believe me. But if you were able to talk to the GBI or Bright’s office, they would confirm that.

    ———————————————–
    I’m not going to keep arguing over this, as I see its not getting us anywhere. I will, however, tell you that the above is completely untrue. I am not going to say on a message board why I know this, but we both know it is not true.

  103. gimmeabruschi says: Aug 8, 2011 12:07 PM

    blchaney69 says: Aug 7, 2011 12:11 PM

    @ Gimmeabruschi
    WHY ARE WE STILL DEBATING THIS? Seriously, give it a rest…its ancient history..if we are going to Discuss this, we might as well discuss if Ray Lewis Committed Murder, If OJ was Guilty, Are there really UFO’s out there.. Seriously? The legal system went thru its process. It Over.. So for ANY of us to sit here and say Ben Did or didnt do it is RIDICULOUS!! None of us will ever know.. There are 2 people that know what went on in that room.. For Steeler fans to say he didnt do it and for Steeler haters to call him a rapist, NONE OF YOU KNOW!! So you really should just leave it alone!!

    ____________________________

    Sorry, but you are out of line. I was beset by Steeler fans because I said exactly what you are saying.

    I simply said we don’t know if he did it or not.

  104. blchaney69 says: Aug 8, 2011 12:24 PM

    I’m not out of line! I wasnt attacking you..That message was meant for EVERYONE.. Anyone that Calls him a Rapist or Swears he is innocent is really just talking out of their A$$.. None of us have a clue!!

  105. gimmeabruschi says: Aug 8, 2011 12:33 PM

    Deb says: Aug 7, 2011 8:55 PM

    @gimmeabruschi …

    DAs say what they are required to say publicly, which is that they do not have evidence to make a case. He does not want to slander the accuser. But the DA also said he believed the women’s accusations were alcohol-fueled and he hoped they learned their lesson. He said if Ben were his son he would tell him to grow up. And he said Ben would be welcome back in Milledgeville if he behaved himself. Fred Bright is a seasoned DA with an excellent reputation. You are not a child and should be able to grasp that those are not the words of a man who believes a rapist is getting away for lack of evidence. And as I have said, I know someone who worked the investigation, and every official involved in the case believed the women fabricated the accusation. You may not choose to believe me. But if you were able to talk to the GBI or Bright’s office, they would confirm that.

    The woman was not a “minor.” Bright made a point of saying she was about 20 and a half. The legal drinking age is 21. She was carrying a fake ID and had been buying her own drinks at other clubs before partaking of the rounds Ben was buying for the group at CapCity. It is the club’s responsibility to card its patrons, not Roethlisberger’s. That would have been a tough case to make. And since they believed the man had been falsely accused of rape, they had no desire to compound the situation.

    ______________________________

    Now you’re just making things up. Bright never said her accusations were alcohol fueled.

    Sorry if we all don’t all consider your “inside information” as gospel, but you understand why I’m sure.

    Bright sited the law about buying drinks for a minor. According to Bright; “First of all, he, Mr. Roethlisberger, there’s a crime called furnishing alcohol to a minor under 21, OK?” Saying it’s only the clubs responsibility is an underhanded approach to the discussion.

    Basically you’re all wet on this Deb. You’re making things up and spinning it like crazy. And that’s what one expects a fan to do. But I thought you were more objective than just being a fan. I was wrong. Objective persons should just ignore your biased viewpoint on this.

  106. Deb says: Aug 8, 2011 12:44 PM

    @arizonaben11 …

    ROFL … nice try. You’re not going to keep arguing about it because you don’t have the knowledge of the case files to keep arguing about it. This is a big Web site, and Mike got more than 5 million unique hits last week. It’s reasonable to assume a lot of sports reporters read this site who could easily pick up the phone and contact people within the GBI and the Milledgeville DA’s office. And they would confirm exactly what I’ve said. Those reporters may also have contacts within NFL Security, which conducted their own investigation. They’d say the same thing. The investigators found the women were not credible and do not believe a sexual assault occurred.

    I have no idea what you think you know. But I’m telling the truth about my contact in the investigation. And I have a friend who works for NBC Sports and would be happy to provide him the info off the record so he can confirm it. How about you?

  107. Deb says: Aug 8, 2011 12:49 PM

    @gimmeabruschi …

    Yes, he did say their accusations were alcohol-fueled and he hoped they learned their lesson. I’m not making that up. Don’t call me a liar because you didn’t take the time to listen to all his comments, you jackass. I’ve never made up anything regarding this case. You’re just another obsessed Patriots fan determined to create a rape where there wasn’t one. It’s really pretty sad that you can’t focus on your own team and your own interests because you are so determined to throw mud at the Steelers. You really are a first-class boob to claim I’m making stuff up just because you didn’t do the research. Idiot.

  108. Deb says: Aug 8, 2011 1:10 PM

    bruschi …

    Fred Bright spoke for 71 minutes, not for the 15 minutes that was carried on CNN, or for the 2-6 minutes you can now find on youtube. He made his initial comments, turned the podium over to the local police chief, then came back to the podium and made additional comments and took questions. The written transcripts contain only his original comments, not the comments he made after returning to the podium. The full unabridged press conference containing all the comments was on kdka’s Web site for months, and I watched the whole thing three times, making notes. That’s why I’m so familiar with the content. Unfortunately, it can no longer be found online.

    It was in those last few remarks when he was fielding questions that he talked about the amount of alcohol consumption by Ben and the sorority sisters. He said he thought the entire episode was alcohol-fueled. Then he said he hoped the sorority sisters had learned their lesson. You cannot possibly know what it is to be among those women who have really been the victim of a violent sex crime. But I don’t make light of these situations and would never invent information to make a perpetrator look innocent. That is ridiculous. Football players come and go. These scars remain with me forever. These women turned something horrific into a circus and hurt the chances of real victims to get justice. That’s why this issue matters to me. Roethlisberger can take care of himself.

  109. Deb says: Aug 8, 2011 1:10 PM

    I meant ESPN, not CNN.

  110. arizonaben11 says: Aug 9, 2011 12:34 AM

    @Deb,

    Look, I’m not going to argue about it anymore because the case is closed, not because I don’t have knowledge of the case.

    While I don’t have every detail from the case (neither do you, no matter what you think), I do have enough to say that when you write:

    ” every official involved in the case believed the women fabricated the accusation. You may not choose to believe me. But if you were able to talk to the GBI or Bright’s office, they would confirm that.”

    that you couldn’t be further from the truth. If you do have an inside in Milledgeville, then you know that you are completely wrong. Some people were very frustrated that they couldn’t take the case further, but had their hands tied.

    What happened is finished there, but it should never be justified or diminished in any way.
    Now I’m done.

  111. gimmeabruschi says: Aug 9, 2011 4:39 AM

    I have read two transcripts that include the Q&A and nowhere does he say “the women’s accusations were alcohol-fueled”. He only refers to the entire situation in those terms, not the accusation itself.

    I am not “determined to create a rape where there wasn’t one” because I have repeatedly said we don’t know one way or the other. It is you that says you KNOW no sexual assault occurred.

    Here are the two I read.

    http://nationalsportsreview.com/sports/us/d-wil/2010/04/12/da-fred-bright-transcript-plus-the-post-statement-interview/

    http://pit.scout.com/2/961691.html

  112. Deb says: Aug 9, 2011 3:14 PM

    @gimmeabruschi …

    You must realize I’m not giving direct quotes–just repeating what I remember the DA saying. Usually I post that Bright said the whole incident was alcohol-fueled. And that is what he said if you read these transcripts. In arguing with you, I said their accusation was alcohol-fueled, and that’s inaccurate. Bright was chastising everyone, including Ben’s party, for the role alcohol played in events and saying he hoped they all learned their lesson.

    bruschi, I don’t “know” to an absolute certainty. But I believe beyond a reasonable doubt that no assault occurred. That’s not because I have any particular affection for Roethlisberger. I think he was an arrogant ass for putting himself in that position with the Nevada case pending. The senselessness of it is mind-boggling. And I think it’s sad how little value women place on themselves … especially when a celebrity’s around. But I’ve been over everything in this case with a fine-tooth comb, and several things have me confident there was no assault. What I’d really like is to be able to come to the football blog and talk about football instead of rape if you think you guys can manage that.

  113. Deb says: Aug 9, 2011 3:16 PM

    Moderators, if you’re not going to let me answer arizonaben11, then don’t let him post. That’s ridiculous.

  114. Deb says: Aug 9, 2011 3:17 PM

    @arizonaben11 …

    When I heard the case was in Milledgeville, it was too bizarre for words. What are the chances of that occurring where I would have a contact in that position? But no professional involved in that case could comment on an open investigation. I read every official document connected with the case, staying away from all the salacious rumors and gossipy stuff in the press. After the case was closed and the whole thing was over, we were able to speak with the contact, who was in a key position. It was confirmed that the investigators and prosecutors did not believe an assault occurred. This person is very experienced, a staunch law-and-order type not impressed with celebrity. If there were a hint of guilt on Roethlisberger’s part, it would have been vigorously pursued.

    As a rape victim, I don’t diminish rape cases. But I cannot stomach women who invent accusations for their own reasons. Every detail I’ve read of this case says that is what happened. Even so, I wasn’t completely at ease until getting that confirmation from my friend. I don’t care for Roethlisberger or his behavior. But I honestly don’t believe he raped anyone. I don’t know who you’re talking with, but I know my contact was in a position to have access to every aspect of the investigation.

  115. blchaney69 says: Aug 9, 2011 3:51 PM

    WOW, YOU GUYS ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS? SAD!!

  116. gimmeabruschi says: Aug 9, 2011 7:32 PM

    @Deb

    All I said was we don’t know what happened for sure (on another thread that had disappeared in the queue). Then I was beset by Steeler faithful so I engaged. Even you were talking as if I said he WAS a rapist. I understand how things can be a bit confusing in this format in such a case.

    So I have endeavored to engage you in a serious discussion of the matter to clear up my views on it. In doing so I expected precision and tried to provide the same. So let’s say we understand where each other is coming from now. I think this is so.

    This is what I think happened.

    Young girl from podunk is star struck by the big celebrity QB and is getting slammed with booze all night. So is he. She engages in sultry conversation and sounds interested in knowing him in an intimate way. He isn’t going to have a serious relationship with her, of course. He’s Big Ben and she’s nobody. She goes to the rest room. He is drunk and egged on by her inviting talk and goes there. He tries to cash in on the big talk. She doesn’t want to be a rest room fling with the big star. She wants more. He is insistent. things happen which probably are sexual assault but her protests make him stop short of rape. Thus her statement; “A boy kind of raped me.”

    If I had to bet, that’s what I would bet happened, but we just don’t know for sure. I don’t think this girl was a woman scorned by the big star and opting for revenge. She knew what happened to her was wrong. In the end she knew her actions helped bring out something bad in him. And she realized the horror that would ensue her if she proceeded and felt it just wasn’t worth it considering the extent of the harm. And, yes, because it fell short of rape the evidence was meager for a conviction so why go through that gauntlet.

    My concern in this venue is people saying he absolutely didn’t do it and also painting her as something disgusting when she was probably the victim.

    And perhaps she has learned to be careful of what you say and to whom or you might find yourself in a predicament you don’t want. A woman has a right to walk down dark alleys at night in a bikini, but despite having the right, it isn’t a good idea.

    But it is water under the bridge. What interests me is him reforming his ways, and it appears he is doing that.

  117. gimmeabruschi says: Aug 9, 2011 7:37 PM

    blchaney69 says: Aug 9, 2011 3:51 PM

    WOW, YOU GUYS ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS? SAD!!

    _____________________________

    WOW, you know what is even sadder? Some moron who has nothing better to do than to tell others what they choose to discuss is sad.

  118. blchaney69 says: Aug 9, 2011 8:15 PM

    @gimmeabruschi
    You know whats even more sad? When I guy tries to go to a SPORTS web Site and Read about SPORTS news, but he cant Because some TOOL insists on talking about something that A) isnt SPORTS related and B) he has no actual Knowledge of!! NOW THAT IS SAD!!!

  119. dmobey says: Aug 9, 2011 9:57 PM

    Whaaaaaa, whaaaaaaaaaaa, whaaaaaaaaa

    Ban the moderators, ban arizona, ban everyone except my crush…

    ***************************************
    Moderators, if you’re not going to let me answer arizonaben11, then don’t let him post. That’s ridiculous.

  120. Deb says: Aug 9, 2011 10:58 PM

    @blchaney69 …

    Yes, it is sad that people keep talking about this instead of sports. But this is an old thread and there are dozens of others where no one is talking about this subject. So it’s a little silly for you to deliberately seek out an old thread where a couple of people are talking on this subject just so you can whine about it. If you don’t want to read about it, just go to another thread. Problem solved.

    @gimmeabruschi …

    Like you, I have a theory based on all the files and interviews I’ve read. Starstruck woman follows celeb from bar to bar, pinching and propositioning him while both get sloppy drunk. During the evening, her friend rags him about Nevada lawsuit and he ejects her from the party. At some point they head for the bathroom. (All that we know is true.) I think either they engaged in a consensual act other than intercourse or they attempted intercourse and were too drunk to manage it. Then, as she said later, he just dumped her there without so much as a “thank you ma’am.”

    When she left the club, her ejected friend and another girl grabbed her and started demanding to know what went on. They dragged her to the cops, talking over each other, insisting she’d been raped. She wasn’t saying much because, according to the cops, they wouldn’t let her get a word in edgewise. When she finally spoke, she denied being assauted, then said she wasn’t sure. The cop sent her to the hospital with her friends. Later, they accompanied her to the police station where she went along with their story.

    I think she either let her friends drive the situation or let them convince her she’d been assaulted. When I mention vengeful women, I’m usually talking about the “friend” who was ejected from the party and set the whole thing in motion.

  121. Deb says: Aug 9, 2011 11:07 PM

    dmobey, you’re such an infant. They wouldn’t post my response to him, so I said if they wouldn’t post my comment, they shouldn’t post his. Then they kindly posted my comment. I never asked anyone to ban arizonaben11. He makes intelligent posts rather than just following me and being vulgar like you. BTW, I didn’t ask them to ban you, either. I just wondered aloud why they’re keeping you around since you don’t contribute anything substantive. But if I’d known you were going to be such a crybaby about it … sheesh! Poor thing, the girl said you don’t add anything to the conversation. Someone give that boy a crying towel :roll:

  122. gimmeabruschi says: Aug 10, 2011 4:36 AM

    blchaney69 says: Aug 9, 2011 8:15 PM

    @gimmeabruschi
    You know whats even more sad? When I guy tries to go to a SPORTS web Site and Read about SPORTS news, but he cant Because some TOOL insists on talking about something that A) isnt SPORTS related and B) he has no actual Knowledge of!! NOW THAT IS SAD!!!

    ___________________________

    That’s not sad really. What’s really sad, and pretty stupid as well, is somebody going to a sports web site and reading through comments about an article regarding the off-field behavior of an athlete an whining like a little girl that people’s comments are about the off-field behavior of an athlete.

    Here’s a tip for you champ. If the subject “isnt SPORTS related” then skip it and you won’t waste your precious time being disappointed about people commenting about things that “isnt SPORTS related”.

    Glad I could help.

    As far as your part B); I gathered you didn’t want to waste your time even reading such “isnt SPORTS related” sort of stuff, and now you apparently have not only read it thoroughly enough to have an analysis but also want to engage in the discussion because you have added your own comment on the substance of the comments.

    You’re awfully engaged in this for somebody who claims that they just want to enjoy the sports related stuff and not be bothered with things like this. It makes me wonder if you might just be FOS in general.

  123. gimmeabruschi says: Aug 10, 2011 4:43 AM

    @ Deb

    I could believe either scenario or a few others. As I said, we just don’t know. Hopefully he has put potential incidents like this behind him (and her too).

  124. gdeli says: Aug 10, 2011 10:52 AM

    The steelers are really sicking me. James harrison’s hits were brutal violence to see. shame on them, no need to fight a media guy. Just not answer the ? or tell him he went to far.

  125. blchaney69 says: Aug 10, 2011 4:40 PM

    Ok, Bruschi, you got me man, You win.. since its obvious from your past conversation, you dont know when to let it go, I will respectfully bow out of the conversation and let you guys beat a dead horse without any further complaining/whining from me! Have a great day!!

  126. gimmeabruschi says: Aug 10, 2011 8:41 PM

    @ blchaney

    Generally I have found when you come into a conversation and tell people how pathetic they are it isn’t likely they are going to blow you kisses for the effort.

    Peace be with you.

  127. Deb says: Aug 11, 2011 1:16 PM

    ??

  128. Deb says: Aug 11, 2011 1:22 PM

    gimme … Agreed! … Back to football!! :)

  129. nickster2k says: Aug 11, 2011 8:15 PM

    mattyc says:
    Aug 6, 2011 7:53 AM
    ……..as well as the scene from Joe Dirt when he was sleeping with whom he thought was his sister……

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    and now that you’ve admitted to watching “Joe Dirt” we know to dismiss anything you have to say

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