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Carroll says Tarvaris Jackson was “jerked around” in Minnesota

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Stevie Williams isn’t the only former employee who is looking for a little verbal retribution after being allegedly mistreated.  Seahawks quarterback Tarvaris Jackson, following two years of silently tolerating the decision of former Vikings coach Brad Childress to go with Brett Favre, has begun to open up a little bit about his frustrations.

Talking to our buddy Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports, Jackson hinted that there may have been something to the “schism” label that Adam Schefter applied to the situation in one of his early days at ESPN.  ““Even the first year [2009], we [players] never really got an explanation, a heads-up or something,” Jackson said about Favre’s arrival.  “But it was coach’s decision.  We pretty much knew and had our feelings about what was going on.  In the back of our heads and our hearts, we pretty much knew he was coming.”

Although when Jackson says the players “had our feelings about what was going on” he could mean that they all wanted Favre to join the team, we’d heard at the time that some players were indeed against it, but that Favre quickly won over the locker room — especially once they started winning games.

So even though they all came to believe in Favre, Jackson, for whom Childress traded up during the 2006 draft, doesn’t believe Childress ever truly believed in him.

“Obviously not,” Jackson said, “because he kept bringing Brett in.  In some ways, we were joined at the hip, but I wouldn’t say I was Chilly’s pet.  Think about 2008 — after Game 2, I got pulled.  How many quarterbacks lose their jobs after two games?”

It’s not unprecedented (Charlie Frye lost his job in Cleveland after only one game in 2007), but it’s rare.  Almost as rare as a quarterback who held his tongue throughout a difficult stretch deciding to unload a little once he gets away.

Jackson isn’t the only one talking about an awkward past.  “He has not been in a good situation,” Seahawks coach Pete Carroll told Silver regarding Jackson, who was installed as the starter even before he was able to practice with the team.  “He’s been jerked around. We wanted to put him in a stable situation.”

And, in so doing, the Seahawks jerked Charlie Whitehurst around.

Added G.M. John Schneider of Jackson:  “He’s 28 years old, and quite frankly was [expletive] on for four years.”

And now the feces are flying in Whitehurst’s direction.

This isn’t an issue of high-school favoritism.  This is the highest level of a results-oriented sport.  Childress, though often a complete jerk, wanted to win football games and, ultimately, a championship.  Favre won football games and, but for an untimely display of the worst parts of Brett’s game, the Vikings nearly had a chance to win a championship.

Childress wasn’t alone in his desire for a sequel.  In the end, it was three key veterans — Steve Hutchinson, Jared Allen, and Ryan Longwell — who flew to Mississippi, hog-tied Favre, and brought him back to Minnesota.  They wouldn’t have done it if they didn’t believe Favre gave them a better chance to win football games than Jackson.

In Seattle, management has decided that Jackson gives the team a better chance to win football games than Whitehurst.  Whitehurst, who led the Seahawks to a division title with a Week 17 win over the Rams, probably likes it no more than Jackson liked the decision to bring in Favre.

In Jackson’s case, he could take some solace in the fact that he was being bumped for a Hall of Famer.  Whitehurst has been bumped for a guy who ultimately may be “just a guy.”

So instead of complaining about coaching decisions that were made not with an eye toward hurting Jackson but helping the team, Jackson and the Seahawks should focus on the immediate future.  Jackson finally has a chance to prove Childress wrong.  Or perhaps to prove him right.

Either way, it’s got to be a little awkward right now, given that former Vikings offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell, who worked for Childress and was directly involved in the recruitment of Favre, is now serving in that same role in Seattle.  For that reason alone, it makes sense for everyone to simply focus on getting Jackson ready to do what he didn’t do in Minnesota.

And to have Whitehurst ready to go if he can’t.

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71 Responses to “Carroll says Tarvaris Jackson was “jerked around” in Minnesota”
  1. carlgerbschmidt says: Aug 8, 2011 8:27 AM

    Good Luck, Tarvaris. It will be interesting to see how well you do when you aren’t surrounded by complete dysfunction.

  2. thephantomstranger says: Aug 8, 2011 8:32 AM

    T-Jack got a raw deal by being thrust into the starting position in 2007 way before he was ready. Nevertheless, he got plenty of opportunities and shouldn’t complain. If he were good, he’d still be there.

  3. eaglesfootballfan says: Aug 8, 2011 8:36 AM

    The Seahawks made another critcal mistake. Not aquiring a QB for the now and the Future. Tavaris Jackson is not going to cut it, especially in the NFC.

  4. clintonportisheadd says: Aug 8, 2011 8:38 AM

    Tarvaris Jackson had several shots at being the starter with the Vikes. He was a 10-9 in 19 starts. Heck-Gus Frerotte (yes-THAT Gus Freotte) beat him out for the starting job.

    Maybe Pete (“NCAA Violation Machine”) Carroll figures that if 7-9 can get you into the playoffs than 8-8 ought to be just fine!

  5. 6ringnationsparksjealousy says: Aug 8, 2011 8:40 AM

    He won’t see success in his lifetime. Carroll is a softy that will never lead a winning team. This franchise is doomed for failure. The Steelers win SBs. Follow the lead. Draft the way they do. Retain those player for their careers. The Steeler way wins championships. 6

  6. sj39 says: Aug 8, 2011 8:41 AM

    I couldn’t believe it when the Hawks brought in T-Jack to be their starter (couldn’t believe they brought in Carroll either though) but as a Rams fan, I am delighted they did.

  7. readysethike says: Aug 8, 2011 8:43 AM

    While everyone seems to hate tj, I hope he plays well…because now he has a real chance

  8. sterling7 says: Aug 8, 2011 8:46 AM

    What a nerve!!! No one follows football and especially the Minnesota Vikings as closely as I do. I used to be a Pete Carroll fan when he was at USC mainly because I am a big USC fan. However when Pete Carroll left the program in disarray because of violations that showed me what kind of person he really is. All of you people can forget about feeling sorry for Tarvaris Jackson-it’s crazy. Tarvaris Jackson is a good practice quarterback-that’s it, but a lousy game quaterback. The nerve of the NFL Network and anyone else to think the Seahawks did well in free agency by picking up Tarvaris Jackson and Sidney Rice. Now Sidney has all the time in the world to count his money because he has no one to throw the ball to him. Tarvaris Jackson is horrible and you chose him not as a backup third stringer which is barely his potential but as a starter? Unfortunately the joke is on the fans of the Seahawks. Choosing Darrell Bevell was a bad enough mistake and you triple your trouble with Tarvaris Jackson and think you have a viable offense? The Seattle Seahawks will finish in the bottom four teams of the 32 the year. If anything because of Tarvaris Jackson and Darrell Bevell look for Pete Carroll to be possibly fired or 2012 will be labeled as his make or break year. I don’t even get paid for this stuff and even I can see the incredible blunder Pete Carroll and the Seattle Seahawk organization has made. I would wish you luck but even at that you’ll be lucky to win four games.

  9. ddubs15 says: Aug 8, 2011 8:47 AM

    Exactly

    Every awful player who goes to a new team always says the same things.

    The last coach didn’t use me the right way
    The last system wasn’t designed for me
    The new team is a perfect fit
    The new coach is my best friend in the world

    Why the HELL would he complain about being benched for Favre? He had plenty of chance to perform. Just wait Seattle – after 2 games you will be hearing the same thing out of T-Jack that we got in MN – silence (from the bench).

  10. Derty Ernie says: Aug 8, 2011 8:48 AM

    Carroll will find out soon enough that Travaris can run, fake, move and deek with the best of them and can throw passes. Unfortunately, Carroll will also find out soon enough that Travaris cannot read defenses and the more the defenders move around the worse he gets.

  11. buhbay1c says: Aug 8, 2011 8:48 AM

    carlgerbschmidt says:
    Good Luck, Tarvaris. It will be interesting to see how well you do when you aren’t surrounded by complete dysfunction.

    I’m sure your ex-wife got a nice, fresh start after leaving your “complete dysfunction” behind. Unfortunately T-Jack’s performance (unlike yours) can’t be fixed by modern medicine. Carl, all you had to do was take a little blue pill. Sad.

  12. Robert Chandler says: Aug 8, 2011 8:53 AM

    The simple truths:

    Bevell is a vastly overrated tool. He was lucky to have ever worked with a top-flight talent like Favre. In Tarvaris Jackson, they have a quarterback who has the physical talents required, but is sorely lacking in the necessary intangibles. He has no pocket awareness, makes horrid decisions, plays “scared”, his mechanics fall apart under duress, and he has very dubious leadership abilities. That is the accurate profile on a player who may have been an unwitting victim in Brad Chilldress’ ego-maniacal obsession and unwillingness to admit his mistake, but the guy simply cannot play at this level. Instead of pissing and moaning, he ought to hit his knees every night and give thanks that another franchise was stupid enough to invest in his futile attempt to transform into an NFL quarterback.

    Write this down. It ain’t gonna happen for Tarvaris. Nice guy, big arm – but other than that (and his fleet-footedness), there are not enough raw materials to make him into anything but a mediocre starter or perhaps a specialist in Wildcat formations.

    The guy doesn’t have what it takes. And Bevell is much overrated, and has poor judgement on personnel. The head coach is a cheater and a liar who also doesn’t deserve this second chance he’s getting. I expect him to fall on his face in time, too. Not wishing ill on any of these three, but they deserve each other. Will be fun to watch hos it all plays out in Seattle. I’m glad I’m not a season ticket holder though. They have serious character issues up and down the roster and in the front office.

  13. scoops1 says: Aug 8, 2011 8:56 AM

    someone should wave a skunk in front T-jack’s face and tell him that he Stinks!!

  14. boover3 says: Aug 8, 2011 8:57 AM

    Agreed. He had is chances with a pretty good supporting cast. He got outplayed by Gus Frerotte.

  15. oxyvikadin says: Aug 8, 2011 8:57 AM

    T-Jack better get this all out now before his production on the field (specifically his lack thereof) takes over his press conferences.

  16. redguy12588 says: Aug 8, 2011 9:00 AM

    Tavaris was jerked around? I didn’t know he was on the love boat.

  17. wtfru2 says: Aug 8, 2011 9:00 AM

    Charlie, all you have to do is wait for that first “jump pass” from T-Joke and you’ll be back in as the starter.

  18. fwippel says: Aug 8, 2011 9:01 AM

    On the one hand, Jackson did get jerked around because Childress handed him the starting job in 2007 when everyone (but Childress) knew he wasn’t ready.

    That said, Jackson didn’t exactly make the most of the opportunity. He complains about being yanked in 2008 after two games. He was yanked because he wasn’t playing well.

    He did manage to get his starting job back later that year when Gus Frerotte got hurt. But in reality, Frerotte (a career backup) outplayed Jackson in 2008, and the Vikings woudn’t have won their division without Gus taking over. If that ticks Jackson off, so be it. Jackson had his chance, and his absolutely lame play in that 2008 home playoff loss to Philadelphia was enough for the fans. Jackson choked in the second half of that game, and played like a confused third string rookie.

    I wish Tjack well, but whining about missed opportunities won’t help him play better now.

  19. fargovikesfan says: Aug 8, 2011 9:03 AM

    T-Jack would have never gotten the opportunity to start if it weren’t for Childress. And last year, even with Favre returning he was GIVEN the backup job despite being vastly outplayed by Sage Rosenfels in the preseason (it wasn’t even close). Instead, Chilly trades Rosenfels and keeps T-Jack around. Then when Favre goes down and he has the chance to start the rest of the year, Jackson goes out and promptly gets injured. Childress gave Jackson more opportunities to be the starter than he would’ve gotten with any other team (except apparently the Seahawks), but don’t be surprised when Whitehurst supplants him there as well.

  20. carlgerbschmidt says: Aug 8, 2011 9:14 AM

    buhbay1c says:
    Aug 8, 2011 8:48 AM
    carlgerbschmidt says:
    Good Luck, Tarvaris. It will be interesting to see how well you do when you aren’t surrounded by complete dysfunction.

    I’m sure your ex-wife got a nice, fresh start after leaving your “complete dysfunction” behind. Unfortunately T-Jack’s performance (unlike yours) can’t be fixed by modern medicine. Carl, all you had to do was take a little blue pill. Sad.

    ________

    Good one. I think it’s interesting that you seem to know so much about these “little blue pills.”

  21. pigeonpea says: Aug 8, 2011 9:16 AM

    Favre won football games and, but for an untimely display of the worst parts of Brett’s game, the Vikings nearly had a chance to win a championship.

    In Favre’s defense, it was a complete meltdown of the team around him that put him in a position to try to force something in the first place. That loss can be directly pinned on Petersen who kept killing the Queens’ drives with fumbles, and Harvin who coughed the ball up at a critical time that allowed the Bush TD that allowed the Saints to take the lead and hold on for the win.

  22. bubbasmithguy says: Aug 8, 2011 9:17 AM

    It’s easy for Pete Carroll to give Tavarus a chance when he has no other options. All I have to say to the Seahawks and their fans. “Good luck with that”.

  23. lickenkittens says: Aug 8, 2011 9:19 AM

    I think Childress didn’t believe in Tavaris after two years because he realize he was…..awful?

  24. beardedfootballguy says: Aug 8, 2011 9:20 AM

    I have no ideal If tarvaris Jackson is any good but I say give him a chance after the favre reach around ..I was checking out Jacksons stats not bad in the year the vikes won the division he had a 95. rating and next year only played s few games but had a rating over 100. so I say one more shot for him if he can’t do it then I guess its whitehurst time

  25. bubbasmithguy says: Aug 8, 2011 9:21 AM

    I’ve been watching football for 40 years. The absolute two worst passes I’ve seen thrown in that time was from Todd Marinovich and T-Jack.

  26. jimmysee says: Aug 8, 2011 9:21 AM

    “but for an untimely display of the worst parts of Brett’s game, the Vikings nearly had a chance to win a championship.

    Really — what did you expect? With Brett you get the whole package so to speak.

    After he blew the NFC title game in similar fashion, at Lambeau, why do you think the Packers finally said “that’s enough?”

    Vikings fans who were expecting a savior got Brett.

    Packers fans knew the story.

  27. rugdog100 says: Aug 8, 2011 9:34 AM

    Jackson had all the opportunities in the world, before Favre, and did nothing with it. The year “he took them to the playoffs”, he was benched early in the season and Gus Frerotte led them to a winning record, then hurt his back. Jackson played in the last couple of regular season games and then choked in the playoffs (Gus Frerotte got ‘jerked around’ that time in FAVOR of Jackson). No sympathy for Jackson whatsoever… he’s hit his ceiling and it’s not very high Seattle.

  28. jallen69 says: Aug 8, 2011 9:36 AM

    Someone should tell Bo Duke the only ones who got **** on were the Vikings fans who had to endure the T jack era. He was given numerous opportunities and never did anything with them. He has a cannon arm but no accuracy, plus he stares down his receivers. His days with Troy Williamson were blooper roll gold. He’s no Vick but pretty fast on his feet, but has no pocket awareness or field vision so he just looks like a deer in headlights. Instead of being bitter he should thank Childress for making his pro career last a good 4-5 years longer than it otherwise would have. Just wait till you see his patented jump pass Seattle!!!

  29. thejuddstir says: Aug 8, 2011 9:42 AM

    TJoke was “jerked around” in Mn after 5 years of futility but it took Pete the Cheat only 1 year before he jerked Charlie Whitehurst around!! Ya gotta feel sorry for Seahawk fans who lap up the b.s. that comes from Carrolls mouth. The guy was a colossal failure in his previous attempts in the NFL as a headcoach, had to cheat to win at USC and now we are to believe that he is the next coming of Bill Bellichek, LMAO. TJoke got ZERO interest from 31 other NFL teams because they actually looked at the tape of TJoke but Petey signs him for more than he would’ve had to and immediately annoints him the starter……Seattle belongs in the USFL.

  30. laeaglefan says: Aug 8, 2011 9:44 AM

    Kevin Kolb effectively lost his job to Michael Vick after only one half of one game last year.

  31. rugdog100 says: Aug 8, 2011 9:45 AM

    jimmysee — I don’t understand your rant. Favre sucked in 2010, but in 2009 they got much further with Favre than they ever would have with Jackson (incidentally, much further than Green Bay got, plus he beat them twice). In 2010 Favre was the wrong decision for the Vikings – in 2009 he was the right decision). If 2009 proved anything at all, it was that the Packers were wrong about Favre’s remaining ability. Besides, his GB relaease wasn’t as much about Favre as it was about Rodgers.

  32. hawkjuice says: Aug 8, 2011 9:46 AM

    I love the dillusional vikings fans that think Childress was a good coach or was good at coaching qb’s. The only qb that did good under Childress was Favre, for a year. Then Favre retired in disgrace and Childress works at a Mcdonalds somewhere. T jack has as good a chance as any to do well. At least maybe this time his coach will try to work with him instead of throwing him on the field and saying ” Go win”

  33. thansen5696 says: Aug 8, 2011 9:48 AM

    The big portion that is missing from this story is the fact that Brad Childless flat out didn’t understand how to properly manage his players in a way that played to their abilities. Look at the difference already between Chilly and Frazier; Childless thrust TJack into a pressure cookery which summarily caused him to crack, Frazier knew that to have a winning franchise you have to build around a quarterback, but also understood that throwing them to the wolves right away will cause a lot of young qbs to break under pressure (i.e T Jack, Matt Lienert, Alex Smith, Vincent Young). Frazier did what any good coach should do, and brought in a start capable veteran who can bridge the gap so the young qb can make the jump to the NFL. Childless is is the biggest factor in the “dysfunction” that took place. The past few years, and probably caused more than one upset player. He is gone, but the psychological damage to TJack is not, he can’t perform under pressure.

  34. deeppurple23 says: Aug 8, 2011 9:54 AM

    Hey TJack, hit a wide open receiver that is on his way into the end zone, then you can shoot your mouth off, until you can make the routine plays routinely, you probably should just keep the yap closed.

  35. fargovikesfan says: Aug 8, 2011 9:55 AM

    hawkjuice says:
    Aug 8, 2011 9:46 AM
    I love the dillusional vikings fans that think Childress was a good coach or was good at coaching qb’s.

    —————————-

    name five vikings fans who thought that Childress was a good coach. I bet you can’t.

  36. qdog112 says: Aug 8, 2011 9:57 AM

    Tavaris is right. How many people enjoyed being held hostage by Favre during his on again, off again retirement tour?

  37. dissapointmentprone says: Aug 8, 2011 9:58 AM

    Wow tjack, way to man up and play the victim roll.. You didn’t get benched by Chilly after the first two games of ’08, you got benched by your performance in those 2 games with a cobined passer rating of 64.8… Sorry dude that’s not getting a raw deal, that’s earning your spot on the bench.

  38. christinamer says: Aug 8, 2011 10:05 AM

    Well, the state of Minnesota was jerked around by the Brad Childless/Tarvaris Jackson era, too. We wasted precious years on someone we were assured was an NFL caliber starting quarterback. Someone we were assured just needed “a little more time to develop.” Well T-Jack, you we’re given ample time and failed to produce so don’t cry about it.

  39. pkrlvr says: Aug 8, 2011 10:06 AM

    Good post rugdog. However, dont pin 2010 just on Favre. The vikes had a terrible team last year starting with an o line that nearly got the guy killed. No rushing and no Rice equals bad Favre.

  40. tropicpurple says: Aug 8, 2011 10:14 AM

    You can’t fix stupid

  41. nbcstinks says: Aug 8, 2011 10:15 AM

    Nothing more than sour grapes by a mediocre QB who is injury prone, inaccurate and inconsistent. No matter what ANYONE says, Favre was an upgrade over Jackson…fact.

  42. jimmysee says: Aug 8, 2011 10:16 AM

    rugdog100 says:
    Aug 8, 2011 9:45 AM

    jimmysee — I don’t understand your rant. Favre sucked in 2010, but in 2009 they got much further with Favre than they ever would have with Jackson (incidentally, much further than Green Bay got, plus he beat them twice). In 2010 Favre was the wrong decision for the Vikings – in 2009 he was the right decision). If 2009 proved anything at all, it was that the Packers were wrong about Favre’s remaining ability. Besides, his GB relaease wasn’t as much about Favre as it was about Rodgers.

    ——————————————————–

    If your goal in 2009 was to win the Super Bowl, you were doomed to failure with Brett and every Packers fan knew it right from the get-go.

    Brett certainly tok the Vikings farther than they would have gone with Jackson or Rosenfels or whomever, but Packers fans know Brett, and he no longer had the level of talent that gave him the ability to be reckless with the ball.

    That was apparent when he threw the pick in the NFC title game with the Jints at Lambeau. We had seen it many times before that.

    By the time Vikings got Brett, he was even a year further removed from that.

    There was no doubt that he had some similar meltdown waiting to happen.

    That’s why I said you got the full package.

    If the Vikings’ goal was to get to the NFC Championship Game and lose, they got what they wanted.

    If it was to get to the Super Bowl, they had the wrong horse pulling the cart.

    In the end, that’s why the Packers let him go.

    Ted Thompson decided the team had a better chance to get there with Aaron Rodgers than it had with Brett.

    Taken out of context but appropriate, nevertheless taking about Brett:

    “The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
    But in ourselves.”

    Shakespeare — Julius Caesar

  43. tmac4454 says: Aug 8, 2011 10:26 AM

    TJ will be alright, since the division teams are completely weak (SF, Seattle, Arizona & Rams). Pete Carroll just needs to work with him, he will never be a AAA qb. Hope he does have a good season..

  44. zanadude says: Aug 8, 2011 10:28 AM

    TJack had some chances…but they weren’t great chances.

    Thrown in at end of 2006. Rookie, on a losing team, with pathetic receivers for the most part. What a chance.

    2007-basically his real “rookie” year. Only dependable receiver is Bobby Wade, but Adrian Peterson carries team on back. TJack gets a couple injuries, still does better in the system than either of the veterans on the roster.

    2008-benched after two games in which the team and the coaching could all have done better. While Frerotte had some decent games, he was also a pick machine and TJack was obviously the better QB when he finished the season. The Playoff game was a joke, both WRs slowed with hammy issues and AP largely absent in the second half.

    Favre was after that, until TJack got a start against the Giants…in Detroit…with a team that was already packing it in.

    The guy has been through the most bizarre early career I’ve ever seen in the NFL. Curious to see what happens if the situation is consistent for a change.

  45. vahawker says: Aug 8, 2011 10:59 AM

    Jackson is NOT the QB of the future. Hawks are rebuilding their O-Line with two rookies, a second year player, and one vet. That was the focus the last two years. Next year they will grab their QB(hopefully) of the future. Jackson is there because he knows Bevell’s system and there is a shortened off season so he will be up to speed almost right away.

    Carroll said Jackson was starting the first preseason game until CW was up to speed and then they would compete for the job(of course, everyone conveniently ignores that)

  46. 28purple4mvp says: Aug 8, 2011 11:10 AM

    hawkjuice says:
    Aug 8, 2011 9:46 AM
    I love the dillusional vikings fans.

    Seaduck fans are the dillusional ones thinking for a second that t-joke is your answer. Heard the weed was good up there. Just not that good.!!!!!

  47. dukemarc says: Aug 8, 2011 11:14 AM

    T-Jack = Jeff Blake I

  48. favrelous says: Aug 8, 2011 11:27 AM

    Tjack has two bad qualities for a qb. One, he will miss wide open uncovered receivers. Like a RB in the Flat. He will throw it over his head and into the sidelines. Second, if there is end of game pressure or big moment pressure, he just falls apart.

    He will have moments of good play, brief moments, just enough that you will be tempted to let him start.

    It will be interesting to watch KAO v 2.0 in Seattle. Childress was so bad, but he was the guy who pocked bevell and tjack.

    Maybe Pete Carroll did not watch any tape.

  49. garyandersonsleftfoot says: Aug 8, 2011 11:30 AM

    When you lose your job to a backup quarterback (Guss Ferrotte) then somehow get another shot only to lose the job again to another backup (Sage Rosenfiels), get the job back again, lose it again to a qb who hadnt taken one snap or even agreed to play for the team yet (Brett Favre), wait two years and get booted for a third string qb/wr (Joe Webb) yea I wouldnt call that being jerked around, but rather Tavaris not taking a hint… he couldnt even hand the ball off correctly (see Adrian Peterson thigh bruise- out 2 games) So now you have a qb who cant lead a team, read defenses, throw under pressure, or even hand the ball off, combined with an O.C. who cant run plays to utilize the talent on the team, and a wideout who will after 4 games decide to mail it in for the rest of the season with an “injury” probably to the hip. Good luck Seattle, hopefully Tavaris has learned the best way to throw is with both feet on the ground…

  50. studp says: Aug 8, 2011 11:31 AM

    Coming from MN I have watched every game he has played as a Viking and I can tell you he surely isn’t a legit starting quarterback. He may have gotten a raw deal with everything going on in MN but don’t act like he never had a chance to prove what he’s got. Every single year there were reports as how great he looked in preseason and how he will break out this season, etc…but that never happened. I really like the guy, I met him once and he is a cool dude, so I have nothing against him, but he just doesn’t have it when it comes to running an offense. He is very poor at reading a defense and he can’t complete a pass deeper than 15 yards. I wish him well but it sounds like Carroll is trying very hard to justify starting him this season when everyone thinks he’s pretty crazy for doing so. No one will know until the season gets going but I know he won’t magically become a solid starter and he no longer in the developing stage of his career, so what you see is what you get…

  51. carlieatschmidt says: Aug 8, 2011 11:54 AM

    carl shiancoe… it is beautiful, no? someday, perhaps…

  52. carlieatschmidt says: Aug 8, 2011 11:56 AM

    i would let visanthe ride my bike to practice if he wanted

  53. thephantomstranger says: Aug 8, 2011 12:06 PM

    I wonder what would have happened to T-Jack if Shiancoe wouldn’t have dropped an easy TD pass against Indy in Game 2 of 2008. Vikes dominated that game but couldn’t get the ball in the endzone. Colts came alive at the end of the game when the defense collapsed, scored two quick TDs, and won the game. If Shiancoe catches that pass, Vikings win, are 1-1 instead of 0-2, T-Jack keeps his job, and he’s the toast of the town. He probably would have screwed it up the next week, but who knows?

  54. trollhammer20 says: Aug 8, 2011 12:07 PM

    eaglesfootballfan says:Aug 8, 2011 8:36 AM

    The Seahawks made another critcal mistake. Not aquiring a QB for the now and the Future. Tavaris Jackson is not going to cut it, especially in the NFC.
    _________________________________

    And what move were they supposed to make, exactly?

    Their choices were as follows:

    1) Re-sign Matt Hasselbeck. Guess what? They offered him two years for $7 million a year before the lockout. After the lockout, he got a better offer from Tennessee.

    Matt Hasselbeck turns 36 in September, and has missed games due to injury in each of the last four seasons. Would the team be better this year with him at QB? The answer is very, very likely “Yes.” Is this the player you want to commit $21 million to as part of a long-term rebuilding process? The answer is just as likely to be “No.”

    2) Use a draft pick to select a prospect at QB. Since Seattle selected #25 this year, and several teams chose QBs in front of them, the talent pool was pretty depleted. Obviously, there wasn’t a QB they thought worthy of the pick. Yes, they might have had Dalton or Kopaernick, but did either one fit the system? Was either one not worth shoring up the offensive line, which has been horrible the last three seasons? Is it best just to draft a QB simply for the sake of drafting one, regardless of whether he fits your system or represents value at the pick?

    3) Mortgage talent, give up cap space, and trade for a “hot prospect”. This meant if they wanted Kolb, they’d have had to trade a young talented player and give up a high draft pick, or perhaps have given up two high draft picks, and open up the pocketbook to the tune of $60 million over five years. Same with Orton…and given Seattle played Denver last year, they had plenty of time to evaluate Orton as a prospect.

    4) Sign whatever free-agent they could find, and give him a chance to earn a long-term roster spot.

    For those who aren’t paying attention (most people outside Seattle, it seems), Jackson signed a two-year contract. Is that the kind of contract you give to a guy you honestly think is a long-term solution at QB? Now, maybe if they had signed him for five years and $40 million, the endless pissing and moaning from East Coast media types would actually be warranted.

    If Jackson and Whitehurst both fail, Seattle will finish the season with a lousy record, going into one of the most QB-rich drafts in history. In the event they do select a QB, or trade for a prospect, that QB will be much, much better off because they chose to solidify the OL before they brought the young QB in.

    At best, Jackson shows vast improvement and earns his way into a long-term deal as a starter. At worst, he flops, Whitehurst flops, and the team will (hopefully) have a much stronger offensive line to protect any new prospect acquired in 2012.

    It’s called “patience”, people. It’s a fascinating concept. Some of you clearly need to learn a thing or two about it.

  55. ruvelligwebuike says: Aug 8, 2011 12:08 PM

    I don’t get the comments about how Jackson cracks under pressure. Number one, he played his best game in AZ with major playoff implications.

    What, the home playoff game? He couldn’t have been under too much pressure, half the stadium was empty.

  56. theytukrjobs says: Aug 8, 2011 12:31 PM

    Jackson was too busy being injured and ineffective to get jerked around quite frankly. He was treated the way he deserved to be treated. The Vikings were a championship caliber team at just about every position except QB and they went and tried to win a superbowl, and came pretty darn close too.

  57. kluwe4 says: Aug 8, 2011 12:59 PM

    After seeing him in the playoff game against Phily after his great finish down the stretch in 2008, I knew all it took to shake T-Joke was to show him some different looks on defense.

    He was terrible against Phily and will be for the Hawks if any defensive coordinator does his homework and game planning against him.

  58. hawkfan50 says: Aug 8, 2011 2:19 PM

    trollhammer20 has the most clear-headed post yet on this , he’s exactly right . This isn’t a move made for the long term . T-Jack is a fill-in for now in a severely shortened preseason . He’s here because he knows Bevel’s offense and there’s a week and a half of practice before the first preseason game .

    Hawk fans know neither CW or T-Jack are long-term answers at the position and it’s a QB rich draft next year . This years ‘crop’ of QB’s quite frankly weren’t all that impressive , including those at the top .

    Cam Chancellor ?! Wow , the guy wouldn’t have even been taken in the first round in a decent year . Locker at #8 ? I love the guy as a Husky , but Jake is going to be a project that will take a couple of years to develop ; you want a #8 overall pick to contribute immediately .

    Landry , Barkley and obviously Luck are better than any QB that was in the draft this year . The Hawks are going about it the right way , building from the inside out . Get the pieces around the QB in place and then wait until the right guy comes along ( not Kolb ) .

  59. tombradysponytail says: Aug 8, 2011 2:37 PM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 8, 2011 8:32 AM
    T-Jack got a raw deal by being thrust into the starting position in 2007 way before he was ready. Nevertheless, he got plenty of opportunities and shouldn’t complain. If he were good, he’d still be there.
    ——
    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 8, 2011 12:06 PM
    I wonder what would have happened to T-Jack if Shiancoe wouldn’t have dropped an easy TD pass against Indy in Game 2 of 2008. Vikes dominated that game but couldn’t get the ball in the endzone. Colts came alive at the end of the game when the defense collapsed, scored two quick TDs, and won the game. If Shiancoe catches that pass, Vikings win, are 1-1 instead of 0-2, T-Jack keeps his job, and he’s the toast of the town.
    ——

    Which is it? Is Tarvaris terrible? Or did he get screwed.

    And, I find it odd that you and Carl G. are always posting within seconds of each other. What’s up with that?

  60. phishooks10 says: Aug 8, 2011 3:19 PM

    T Jack is a practice field all star. Every year i watched him at mankato camp he looks like a real nfl starter. BUT put him in a game under pressure him acorn brain folds like a lawn chair. Cant look off 2 recievers and find the third, can’t read backfields, can’t call audibles(which hassel did alot of)… just wait till hawks fans hear his first live, after game interview and see him strugle to form sentences. lol it’s amusing.

  61. nflfan877 says: Aug 8, 2011 3:19 PM

    #bringbackmatt

  62. favreblows says: Aug 8, 2011 3:35 PM

    Whether T-Jack turns into a decent QB is yet to be seen. But I think you can safely say that the signing of Favre totally screwed with his development as a QB. In 2008, he actually showed signs of becoming a good QB. He started the last four games of the regular season and the Vikes won three of them. This also took place while the the team was in the teeth of a battle with the Chicago Bears for the division title. His QB rating in those last four regular season games was: 143.8, 135.5, 98.5 and 88.5. That’s not the biggest sampling, but it sure is encouraging.

    I think the biggest problem Jackson had with Childress was the dishonesty. That guy lied through his teeth all the time. You know damn well that Favre communicated early on that he would play with the Vikings, but he would not come in until training camp was over. That was typical Favre……all about him and nothing about the team. Chilly could have communicated that to Jackson, but he always tried to be coy and cute instead. No wonder all of his players hated him.

    Will T-Jack turn into an All-Pro? Highly unlikely. Could he develop into a decent starting QB……sure……he could. We will see.

    Oh……I almost forgot………….Paul Hargis is an idiot.

  63. gdeli says: Aug 8, 2011 4:00 PM

    I am so sick of tjack talk and have lost all respect for carroll. It’s done and dead. Move on. I am.

  64. thephantomstranger says: Aug 8, 2011 4:33 PM

    tombradysponytail says:
    And, I find it odd that you and Carl G. are always posting within seconds of each other. What’s up with that?
    __________

    Maybe we’re the same person. Think for a minute. Have you ever seen us together?

    I’m convinced that favreblows and Paul Harghis are best friends that entertain themselves by ripping each other online, then walk off into the sunset hand in hand each day.

  65. granadafan says: Aug 8, 2011 4:58 PM

    “gdeli says:
    Aug 8, 2011 4:00 PM
    I am so sick of tjack talk and have lost all respect for carroll. It’s done and dead. Move on. I am.”

    —————————————————————————————-

    So, stop clicking on the Tavaris threads and stop wasting other people’s time by writing useless posts. No one cares about an anonymous whiner’s level of interest in the story. It’s not about you.

  66. mnfaninaz says: Aug 8, 2011 5:57 PM

    My favorite T-Jack attribute is the deep pass that sails east and west of the sideline by 10 yards…

    I was at T-jacks greatest game… when he dominated the cards for 4 td’s and viking fans owned that stadium… 80% viking fans in that place… so much fun!

  67. carlieatschmidt says: Aug 8, 2011 7:07 PM

    c’est l’amour, visanthe.

  68. buzzkillbill says: Aug 8, 2011 7:28 PM

    trollhammer20 says: Aug 8, 2011 12:07 PM
    eaglesfootballfan says:Aug 8, 2011 8:36 AM
    The Seahawks made another critcal mistake. Not aquiring a QB for the now and the Future. Tavaris Jackson is not going to cut it, especially in the NFC.
    _____________________________________
    Wow. There sure is a huge hate cloud hanging over MN. So, I start thinking. Why so much hate and why do the haters keep saying we didn’t draft our “QB for now and the future”… Then it crosses my mind, Who are the MN QB’s?

    Ohhh, NOW I get it.

  69. favreblows says: Aug 8, 2011 10:03 PM

    thephantomstranger says:Aug 8, 2011 4:33 PM

    tombradysponytail says:
    And, I find it odd that you and Carl G. are always posting within seconds of each other. What’s up with that?
    __________

    Maybe we’re the same person. Think for a minute. Have you ever seen us together?

    I’m convinced that favreblows and Paul Harghis are best friends that entertain themselves by ripping each other online, then walk off into the sunset hand in hand each day

    ****You know Phantom…..you’re not that far off. I know who Hargis is through mutual acquaintances. He likes to come to MN from time to time to party. I have never seen him though. We don’t hang with the same crowd. They tell me he usually hangs out at the Brass Rail.

  70. neer music says: Aug 11, 2011 11:22 AM

    i love the victim role. the guy can’t play. vike’s trounce the giants in the meadowlands before their superbowl.

    tjack is so motivated that he immediately goes to work the day after the bowl, and we hear these amazing stories about his leadership, and how the light’s finally come on. first game of the nfl season, and he gets to prove himself at lambeau like any real gamer would love to do. gets the ball with just under two to go and a timeout in the 4th and a chance to win the game. one of the most awful interceptions i’ve ever seen. youtube search for adrian peterson runs over al harris if you don’t remember the game.

    he ends up losing the starting job to gus before getting another opportunity to prove himself. starts the wildcard game when it should’ve been gus, and asante samuel is thankful for that one. the funny thing is, they opened up the offense and allowed a few audibles when gus was behind center. they had been simplifying things for tjack all along, and the fan base was tired of the annoyingly conservative, unimaginative offense.

    then he gets awfully mistreated when brett comes in and almost takes it all the way. the nfc championship was the best battle of the playoffs that year..

    last preseason, the coaches obviously weren’t to optimistic. yet again, he’s a victim. you’d figure he’d like to spark a trade opportunity by looking somewhat competent in the preseason. instead, he had an awful preseason. awful. by that time, the fan base, and just about everyone at kfan had stuck a fork in the wishful thinking category in regards to him.

    i will say that he definitely seemed to be a good character guy, good team guy, and a good father. too bad he looks like a deer in the headlights once the ball gets snapped.

  71. depotnator says: Aug 15, 2011 7:32 PM

    If anyone has gotten ‘ jerked around’ , it is Whitehurst in Seattle. He was brought into Seattle in Hasselbeck’s contract year, so naturally Hasselbeck regarded him as unwanted competition for the starter’s snaps. He ignored Charlie all year, and pouted on the sidelines whenever Charlie was inserted into games ( which wasn’t often). All season, Seattle fans thought Charlie must really suck because he was given so few chances, but Carroll was forced to keep Hasselbeck happy and use Matt as often as Hasselbeck wanted to play. Charlie did a good job in the NFC championship game against the Rams ( during which HAsselbeck was seen pouting on the sidelines) , but Charlie was benched once again for the playoff games against the Saints and Bears. Now that Hassellbeck has left for the Titans, Carroll had brought in TJack as the annointed starter. Maybe Schneider should get a better understanding of who is getting ( explitive) upon.

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