It isn’t just what you do on the field catching the ball for TDs, it is your mental involvement in games, and he checked out in too many in his career, and maybe he was a main reason his teams never won!!

Great catches!!! Moss? How many of them are great, because he doesn’t know where the ball is going? Rice in the other hand was like a great centerfielder who knows where the ball is going right away off the bat, and he turns and runs to where he KNOWS the ball is going and in the last second he looks up and the ball comes to him!! A great receiver lets the ball come to him.

Most important in any sport is the greatest of the greatest work harder than anyone else. Rice worked very hard at his craft, and he could run the down and across 5 yards downfield and catch and run 80 yards, and Moss never ever could. Rice ran superior roots and for not being fast, you never saw anyone catch him from behind. Rice was always alert, and especially at the end of games where he made so many game winning catches and didn’t walk off the field before the playoff games ended. All the great players were great mostly because they brought great attitude to the games and bigger the games, the better they would play, always stepping up. Moss destroyed teams, especially the Raiders where he dismantled them when he wasn’t getting the ball all the time, and Brady was even getting aggavated with Moss wanting the ball to get “records” and that is a stat.

The greatest QBs are not the ones who had the most talent. The 6’6″ QBs with the great arms and all the talent don’t always win, cos they don’t work at their craft.

John Madden isn’t right about everything, and realize the offenses rule changes favored Moss over Rice, because Rice played in the mid 80s to the early 2000′s, and now 23 TD passes in 16 games is nothing, and Rice caught 22 in 12 games and that is almost 2 per game so realize Moss didn’t win and Rice won 3 times, and Moss had plenty of good teams and good QBs and so did Rice, and Moss did little with his QBs and Rice made the best with his. Montana and Young weren’t great long throwers so who cares who went deep the best? Rice did everything great including blocking and played every play, and Moss was maybe the best deep threat ever, but that one thing doesn’t mean he was the best ever!!

Go Jerry Rice!

The team players and caches know who the best receiver is and he is the receiver that gets the most respect from the defense.

John Madden, who said ” Randy Moss, in my opinion, is the greatest receiver in history “. This comment was made right after Rice retired. Madden knows football probably better than anyone and for him to say that is extradinary.

Moss is an animal, a super human, he can jump higher, run faster and make extradinary catches that Rice could only dream about. Rice was a great player, but when God was handing out the super human qualities he gave more to Moss than anyone I’ve ever watched.

History will show us that the Moss football cards will be worth much more than the Rice cards as time goes by.

There is one stat that is not kept and explains Moss hasn’t taken every record Rice has. The stat is one that tracks how many defenders are diverted to Moss who causes other receivers on the team to get the receptions.

Randy Moss is the only receiver in history who is almost always has 2 defenders on him and sometime 3. This is extradinary and proveshis greatness. If they kept a stat on what receiver has the most defenders during his career Randy moss would win the stat.

Randy Moss is a super human. Who is faster, can jump higher and can catch the ball in unusual circumstances. This is something Rice was never for.

Jerry Rice was the greatest receiver before Moss, but Moss is the greatest of all time.

John Madden, who knows football, got it right. Randy Moss is the greatest receiver in football history and his football cards will be more valuable than Rices as time goes on.

Some of us know better. Kudos to Rice for pointing it out.” –tatum064

Too many of us were asleep when they started teaching as if a short attention span were a desirable product of a public education. All that nonsense did was reinforce the impact of an on-line, video game world. God help us all, but it will define our and their futures.

They lost, but the team knew they were back to being the Raiders!! They had their strut back and they knew they just had to keep working and everything would fall into place.

I was living there and watched this all happen, and all my friends were die hard fans, and after that 5th game or so, Moss completely gave up on the team. Just Moss and nobody else! He ripped the team and organization apart, and had his own radio show and really put it to his team.

He had a great QB in Brady and he gave up on him and the Patriots!!

You know little about sports my friends, because virtually every coach in existence would say to you and to Moss:

Stats are for Losers!!

Even then Moss still only has 44 TD’s less than Rice and played 7 fewer seasons. If he had wanted to Moss could have destroyed Rice’s TD record.

If Moss had the QB’s that Rice had fans would be saying Jerry who? because Moss would have put Rice’s to shame.

Same with the Pats, my team, until 19-0 and Moss’ TD record possibility. This no it all here, knew when he went to game 2 of that season that this offense stunk, and it was because I knew it wouldn’t translate into the playoffs. It didn’t scoring only 14 points vs the Giants in 07 and 14 more in 09 vs the Ravens, and the young fans around here were blaming the D.

They scored the most points ever, the most TD caught by a receiver; Rice caught 22 in 12 games to 23 for Moss in 16 games not that it mattered. Brady the most TD passes ever, and his first MVP. Great stats!!

I will remember the Brady who had average stats at best who was in every game, never a game where we ever felt he couldn’t get the guys to come back and get the win.

Since Moss, I rarely ever see this, and he has 2 MVP awards, and his offense can’t move the ball in the playoffs when it counts and the fans blame the D.

If you look at the young Brady, his stats are meaningless when judging his talent, just as Montana’s are meaningless also. Every QB in the 49er SB era had almost identical stats; QB rating and all that crap, and yet only one of them will go down in history as maybe the greatest ever. Why? Because he won SBs, and also he was always in the game no matter the score, coming from behind, and that was also Brady. Steve Young had maybe even better stats, but he was like Tiger Woods, and had no idea how to come from behind.

No one ever talks about Joe’s stats, Brady’s stats, Bradshaw’s stats, Aikman’s stats, and why? Because they gave up the stats to win.

Marino, always about his stats, Peyton Manning the same, and maybe the best stat man ever, and in the playoffs in his 10 or 11 losses his team averaged about 13 points a game. Now that is a stat to look at. Brady with Moss? The same with 14 points in the 2 losses, and Moss goes and they score 21 points which is still better than w/ Moss and the big one is in 06 with Reche Caldwell as the # 1 WR, the Pats put up 35 points vs the excellent Colts D, and in the 2 losses in the playoffs with Moss, the pats scored a total of 28 points.

Brady starts throwing the ball like Manning, has MVP awards, record stats and he can’t win it all, and Peyton has maybe his worse Stat year and he wins it all.

Bill Russell’s Celtics won 11 titles in 13 seasons, one of the losses Russell go hurt going into the finals or it would have been 12. Sam Jones was almost always the leading scorer averaging about 21 points a game, and no one ever spoke about the great stats of that team, except wins and titles. Everyone played as a unit, and until a great stat player learns it, he will rarely win titles.

I would take Paul Warfield, making the probowl with 25 catches, but deadly when needed, and you can take Randy “fluffed up stats” Moss.

I am ready Boze

Ok Big fella give it to me and I will show you more of this

Blah blah blah. This is akin to Montana calling out the movie Rudy as “an exaggeration” and saying lots of that stuff “didn’t happen.”

Why is being regarded as great or the best not enough? Why do these has beens have to opine about everyone else? Shut up already. You’re in the hall of fame Jerry. Act like it.
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Sorry. Elders tend to care for the condition of the game and the legacy that will be left by others. He is MORE THAN ENTITLED. Its an outrage, and the only thing worse are the people that condone the play by calling out the greatests of all-time. “Blah blah blah” is indictive of CHILDISH, SHORT ATTENTION SPAN people that dont realize what a joke the NFL is becoming.

Some of us know better. Kudos to Rice for pointing it out.

END THREAD

Moss needing everyone else to play great before he does is why he is disliked, where Rice plays the game to win, and his attitude rubs off on his team where Moss will play great when his mates play, and then he will play as long as he feels like.

Rice made Montana and young better, and Brady made Moss better till Moss quit on them like all his teams, so take his stats and throw them away.

Bye Bye!

Not until recently did basketball leading scorers win any titles. The game has changed to support it, but teams with scoring balance are the best.

You show me where Moss stats stand up against Rice’s with winning big games, and don’t say it was all Montana and Young. Moss played w/ Brady and ended up being a total loser on a team that could have won it all last year if he had actually PLAYED the game, and forgot about his stats.

Stats are for losers and you are sounding more like you love losers. Moss always has been a loser in the game of football.

Jeter or Rodriquez? Mays or Bonds? Russell or Wilt? Russell or MJ? Orr or Gretzky? Montana or Manning? Rice or Moss?

The smart person would take the first player in all of the questions. Jeter, Mays, Russell, Orr, Montana, or Rice played the game to win, and they were the best and their stats were nothing compared to the other athletes, except Rice. They all played to win and never cared about stats. Most people would take them if they wanted to win, and the others if we were playing fantasy sports.

Stats are your Fantasy!
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You are so engrossed in trying to prove that you know it all (you don’t by a longshot), that you fail to see that I am a much larger fan of Rice than I ever will be of Moss. Let me guess though: You “watch the games” so you know who the best is. You “don’t need stats” to tell yo anything…despite the fact that every person that works IN football (something that you obviously don’t do) analyzes not only game film but also statistical output in order to analyze players. Of course, performance when the spotlight glares hottest is of great importance, but if that was the only criteria, then let’s put David Tyree in the HOF right now, since he did it when it mattered most, on the largest stage in pro football (something Moss never really did). Of course, that wouldn’t make any sense, since
Tyree doesn’t have the statistical record to convince anyone with any sense to really take considering him a HOFer seriously. Therefore, to pretend that stats mean nothing, as you claim, only shows what false arrogance you have regarding your own knowledge of football.

Your supposed knowledge of football is your Fantasy!

Not until recently did basketball leading scorers win any titles. The game has changed to support it, but teams with scoring balance are the best.

You show me where Moss stats stand up against Rice’s with winning big games, and don’t say it was all Montana and Young. Moss played w/ Brady and ended up being a total loser on a team that could have won it all last year if he had actually PLAYED the game, and forgot about his stats.

Stats are for losers and you are sounding more like you love losers. Moss always has been a loser in the game of football.

Jeter or Rodriquez? Mays or Bonds? Russell or Wilt? Russell or MJ? Orr or Gretzky? Montana or Manning? Rice or Moss?

The smart person would take the first player in all of the questions. Jeter, Mays, Russell, Orr, Montana, or Rice played the game to win, and they were the best and their stats were nothing compared to the other athletes, except Rice. They all played to win and never cared about stats. Most people would take them if they wanted to win, and the others if we were playing fantasy sports.

Stats are your Fantasy!

He isnt, he’s actually giving Moss a compliment. Rice is to WR’s what Jim Brown was to Running backs

The irony is, players now a day can make a lot more just by concentrating on one particular aspect of the game – catching Touchdown passes, to the detriment of downfield blocking, leadership, etc. In Rice’s day he had to work harder. Rice wasnt just one of the greatest WR’s of all-time he was one of the greatest players of his generation, along with Ray Lewis, Peyton Manning and John Elway.

Even if Moss and Rice switched stats, just the #s, I would still take Rice hands down, simply because he could score from anywhere on the field in every situation, with no weaknesses, and more than anyone, scored the most important TDs in the most important of games. Rice was great because of the way he played the game, when he stepped up and so forth.

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Who’s crying? Not I.

And as for pretending that stats mean NOTHING, you couldn’t be further from the truth. Of course, they don’t mean EVERYTHING either, but they do show the capabilities and measure the production of any one person or player, no matter the activity. You really can’t have it one way over the other, particularly since this is a TEAM sport, not an individual one like boxing or wrestling. And until football becomes an individual sport, rather than a team one, ignoring individual stats to measure a player at least to some extent will always be important. To deny this is the height of ignorance.

Can you read? Can you? If you can, read the the first sentence of the 2nd paragraph of my last post. Wait, I’ll save you the time. I wrote, “Rice is the greatest WR ever.”

So what the elf are you talking about?

All I said was that IMO, Moss had better hands and better speed. That doesn’t mean I think Rice had neither. He had great hands and excellent game speed. Moss was just better at those 2 things. Rice was a better route runner and had a far superior work ethic and attitude, which seperates him from Moss.

Does that sound like I think Moss was better than Rice?

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Glad that we agree that Rice is the GOAT WR. We still disagree on the hands thing. Rice’s hands were better.

favreblows says:
Aug 10, 2011 1:23 PM
@quasi1981–

Can’t agree with you anymore. I have always thought Moss was a bum and a chickensh!t over the middle. He always avoided contact…..and therefore cost his team crucial extra yards. It all goes back to him being all about him. He would rather save his body than make the gutty play that could help his team win a game. Just think if he had put out 100% effort like the vast majority of professional athletes. This garbage that the apologists throw out there is such BS. They either claim that all WRs take lots of plays off…..or that this is all a vendetta against Moss because people don’t like him. They are right about one thing….people don’t like him. But it is because of the way he disrespects his profession and human dignity…..screaming at sponsors and caterers, hitting traffic cops, kicking kids and putting them into the hospital. Loser.

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Coming from a poster (you) who still can’t get over Favre dumping on your butt Packers, you have zero credibility.

***Favre dumped on the Packers…..???? Favre dumped on every team and coach he ever played for. The difference is the Packers finally gave him the boot. He tried his fake retirement one too many times for Thompson and McCarthy. They knew exactly what they had in Rodgers and they told Favre to go to hell. And what ended up happening. Favre went on 1 1/2 years later to thrown yet another idiot pick in the playoffs to cost his team a SB. Boy…..that sure sounds familiar. And what else happened. The California kid (who Favre despised) led the Pack to a Super Bowl win.

See son…..you misinterpret the significance of the call name, “Favreblows”. It really describes his reality as a human being. Yes pal……he is a scumbag cheater and liar. He cheated on his wife throughout his career in GB…..continued in NY…..and likely had some times in Mpls. He sent pictures of his junk to women via his cell phone. He harrassed team massage therapists. He lied his face off about his entire “retirement” from GB. That is the reality of Favre the person.

As far as Favre the ball player…..he is a HOFer who gave GB some great years. But the team knew when it was time to move on to a much better option.

So to clarify…..Favre was a hell of a player for many years……but finally was replaced by his underling who had surpassed him in talent. And Favre gave the team a clean out by trying to stretch his “retirement” games a little too far. But as a human being……..Favre blows.

Get it?

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All I get is that you are butthurt Packers fan who still can’t get over Favre leaving the Packers. And that is the only thing that anyone else who isn’t a Favre hater will get as well. If you want to continue crying about it, go cry to your mommy because the rest of the world is just laughing at you.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I’m guessing that you are no angel either, so your passing judgment on Favre’s personal life carries absolutely no weight in the real world.

Get it?

you just don’t understand that no matter how hard you work, there is always going to be somebody who can half ass his way through the same thing and be better than you. that’s life. maybe moss skipped a few routes (which he did, to put corners to sleep!), but he wasn’t lazy. i watched him for 7 years tear downfield for deep throws.

hey Favreblows,
Case in point: “how many times has he walked off the field early?” = ONCE!

embellishment is your modus operandi

****Actually…..Moss left for the locker room prior to games ending several times in his career. The Redskins game was just highly publicized because the game was still much in doubt and he got chased down later by Birk in the locker room.

The following shares more light on the piece of sh!t, otherwise known as Randy Moss:

“The message everybody was sending Moss last fall was that times had changed. He needed to become the kind of player who was more concerned about helping a team win than landing a fat contract. He needed to become the kind of player who was willing to block tirelessly and run routes hard when the ball wasn’t thrown his way. The NFL can be a forgiving place for talents who still have something to offer. It eventually became all too clear that Moss found such compromises to be beneath him.

The irony here is that Moss always has been this way. It’s just that his numbers and his highlights always helped obscure that fact. When fellow Patriots were raving about how great a teammate Moss was upon his arrival in 2007, you just knew they might eat those words someday. Anybody who had seen Moss underachieve with the Oakland Raiders the previous two seasons had to know he might eventually return to his old, familiar habits.

As it turned out, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady was one of the first to notice his decline last summer. A league source said Brady was so concerned about Moss’ lagging work ethic that he discussed it with Patriots head coach Bill Belichick in training camp. When Belichick decided that Moss would be fine, Brady became even more agitated after Moss dogged it on a couple routes during an early-season win over Miami.

According to the source, Brady told Belichick during that contest that the team could keep Moss but the receiver wasn’t going to be seeing any passes again. Moss was working in Minnesota within days of that conversation.”

Moss…..an even bigger loser than Paul Hargis.

embellishment is your modus operandi

Can you read? Can you? If you can, read the the first sentence of the 2nd paragraph of my last post. Wait, I’ll save you the time. I wrote, “Rice is the greatest WR ever.”

So what the elf are you talking about?

All I said was that IMO, Moss had better hands and better speed. That doesn’t mean I think Rice had neither. He had great hands and excellent game speed. Moss was just better at those 2 things. Rice was a better route runner and had a far superior work ethic and attitude, which seperates him from Moss.

Does that sound like I think Moss was better than Rice?