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More evidence the Broncos quarterback competition is “over”

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We tend to ignore or disregard most everything Rick Reilly writes these days. Call it the Leatherheads effect.

We’ll make an exception for his eye-opening piece on the Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow mess in Denver because Reilly lives in the area, and has close ties to the top of the organization: Broncos Executive VP of Football Operations John Elway.

(Reilly mistakenly calls Elway the team president. Ignore that for now.)

Let’s start with an Elway quote:

“He’s a great young man who is really working hard,” Elway said. “But he didn’t get an offseason to work on [playing from the pocket]. He didn’t get much of that in college. And it’s a completely different thing than the shotgun. Plus, he’s only had the one season. But he’s an amazing football player. I’d never give up on Tim Tebow.”

Whoa. Who said anything about giving up on Tebow? He’s a second year quarterback that lost his biggest supporter (Josh McDaniels) and didn’t get his second offseason. Just the fact Elway’s mind went there is surprising.

Also telling: Reilly’s harsh assessment after getting the low down from Elway.  Reilly says the quarterback competition is “over.”

“Orton won by the kind of margin Kim Jong Il wins elections,” he writes.

Tebow is stiff under center and can’t make decisions quickly enough. Something tells us Reilly didn’t suddenly turn into a football scout to make these assessments.  They are coming from the Broncos.

“The other way you know it’s over is that Orton is talking to Tebow again,” Reilly writes. “He didn’t talk to him all last year. He told people it was because Tebow was a ‘rookie,’ but it was more than that. Tebow, ever gracious, kept talking with reporters every day. A lot of the players thought he should’ve stopped, in deference to the starter, Orton, who was getting scrums one-tenth the size.”

The locker room is firmly behind Orton.

The Broncos organization, meanwhile, seems further away than ever from figuring out what quarterback can emerge from Elway’s long shadow.

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85 Responses to “More evidence the Broncos quarterback competition is “over””
  1. duanethomas says: Aug 10, 2011 9:54 AM

    Tebow is not praying enough, or he would be the starting quarterback. He is a fake that doesn’t pray………..

  2. dldove77 says: Aug 10, 2011 9:56 AM

    “The Broncos organization, meanwhile, seems further away than ever from figuring out what quarterback can emerge from Elway’s long shadow.”

    Maybe that says it all. Maybe Elway isn’t interested in finding a quarterback that can do that, which Tebow certainly has the ability to do.

  3. medtxpack says: Aug 10, 2011 9:57 AM

    its Ortons moustache, its where the power to hold off the mighty Teblow comes from…

  4. rayvens says: Aug 10, 2011 9:57 AM

    More evidence the Broncos quarterback competition is “over”
    ———————————
    In other words

    More evidence that Tim Tebo Career is “over”!

  5. gulaid26 says: Aug 10, 2011 9:58 AM

    K, we get it Tebow sucks. This is not news.

  6. drmonkeyarmy says: Aug 10, 2011 9:58 AM

    So, Orton didn’t talk to Tebow all of last year? Isn’t it part of the job of a veteran QB to help mentor and tutor a young QB in the system? I just lost a mountain of respect for Kyle Orton. I feel bad for the Broncos fans. You just know the team will be 8-8 with Orton. He will put up numbers but won’t win games, as always.

  7. nmunderdog says: Aug 10, 2011 9:59 AM

    I can’t wait ’til the season starts so that this is no longer a story, I like most fans wanted Tebow to be the starter, but clearly, he’s not ready, Hopefully Orton can take the Broncos to the playoffs. Bottom line is winning.

  8. tombradysponytail says: Aug 10, 2011 10:00 AM

    It’s over, Johnny, over!

  9. wryly1 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:01 AM

    This story might technically be considered news, but certainly doesn’t come as any surprise.

  10. cardiovascularendurance says: Aug 10, 2011 10:03 AM

    So Orton won the QB competition by brainwashing the entire organization by starvation/ malnourishment, not allowing them proper schooling, torture, fear mongering, and a variety of other ruthless tactics? Not buying it. Orton doesn’t seem to have that in him.

  11. EJ says: Aug 10, 2011 10:04 AM

    Elway should of stuck to relaxing in his mansion in the mountains of Colorado.

    John Elway has no business in football operations. A guest appearance on Project Runway suits him much better.

  12. dbellina says: Aug 10, 2011 10:05 AM

    Move Tebow to fullback.

  13. Manbearpig says: Aug 10, 2011 10:05 AM

    We tend to ignore or disregard most everything Rick Reilly writes these days.

    _____________

    Wow. Hey Rosenthal, Rick Reilly has more writing talent in his pinky finger than you have in your entire mistake-prone body.

    At least learn the basic rules of grammar before criticizing a real-life sportswriter. Unlike yourself, who miraculously lucked into a job he has absolutely no business doing.

  14. snowpea84 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:08 AM

    Surprising that his mnd went there? When people everywhere are saying that the new org is going to give up on him or that he’ll never be good? There is nothing surprising or out of place about that comment. Seems pretty realistic and in tune with the common perceptions.

  15. johnnyjagfan says: Aug 10, 2011 10:08 AM

    I can’t believe Orton didn’t talk to Tebow, either. Because he’s a rookie? That’s the reason he SHOULD have been talking to him. Apparently Orton is insecure. He’s a better QB than a rookie whose never played in a pro set, but he’s not nearly as good a man as I’d of imagined.

  16. tecmobowl34 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:08 AM

    I’ve never seen a pro football team so afraid of it’s fanbase. It won’t hesitate to allow the public to run coaches, qb’s, GM’s, VPs, whomever right out of town the instant the knee jerks.

    The team is also letting Johnny-Come-Lately Tebow fans with a political agenda influence the whole ordeal. Elway, get a hold of this ship, before the fans turn on you too…

  17. colonelcamp says: Aug 10, 2011 10:08 AM

    The Guy’s a great athlete.

    Maybe the Jets can use him to replace Smith in the wildcat.

  18. sfwillis52 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:10 AM

    drmonkeyarmy says:
    Aug 10, 2011 9:58 AM
    I feel bad for the Broncos fans. You just know the team will be 8-8 with Orton. He will put up numbers but won’t win games, as always.
    ___________________________________

    Last time I checked, football was a team sport that had 3 sides to the ball; Offense, defense, and special teams. The QB can only do so much. If he is putting up great numbers, he is obviously doing his job. Why does winning games have to be the sole respobsibility of the QB???

  19. jessieboom says: Aug 10, 2011 10:11 AM

    Don’t know where else to ask this but, anyone use the RotoWorld fantasy draft guides? Wondering ifg anyone that has used them can tell me if they would recommend it or not. As far as I know it’s a sister site of PFT, so I guess its relevant.

  20. rukiddnme29 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:11 AM

    Whoa. Who said anything about giving up on Tebow? He’s a second year quarterback that lost his biggest supporter (Josh McDaniels) and didn’t get his second offseason. Just the fact Elway’s mind went there is surprising.

    ———————————————-
    I’m sick of reporters playing shrink. Who cares, move on with the story.

  21. TheWizard says: Aug 10, 2011 10:14 AM

    I’m a Tebow supporter. Having Orton start the year and get Tebow another study year under his belt seems perfectly logical to me.

    Not sure where the controversy is, other than the Broncos clumsily, publicly failing on a maneuver to trade Orton earlier.

    That should have been kept under wraps.

  22. cowboyhomer says: Aug 10, 2011 10:15 AM

    “Just the fact Elway’s mind went there is surprising.”

    How do we know “Elway’s mind went there..”? Do we know the tone of the conversation? Do we know what questions he was asked? If he was asked “have you given up on Tebow?”, this would not be surprising at all.

  23. CKL says: Aug 10, 2011 10:18 AM

    johnnyjagfan says:
    Aug 10, 2011 10:08 AM
    I can’t believe Orton didn’t talk to Tebow, either. Because he’s a rookie? That’s the reason he SHOULD have been talking to him. Apparently Orton is insecure. He’s a better QB than a rookie whose never played in a pro set, but he’s not nearly as good a man as I’d of imagined.
    ___________________________________
    Add that to the lashing out type comment Orton made about Broncos fans yesterday and I agree with your assessment that he’s insecure and not the guy I thought he was either.
    Some QBs who have done more in their careers than Orton ever has are still willing to mentor young QBs.

  24. Nevis says: Aug 10, 2011 10:18 AM

    “Whoa. Who said anything about giving up on Tebow? He’s a second year quarterback that lost his biggest supporter (Josh McDaniels) and didn’t get his second offseason. Just the fact Elway’s mind went there is surprising.”

    Maybe he said that because of the media scrutiny suggesting so, like PFT, who are covering the subject and reporting on it several times a week?

  25. realitypolice says: Aug 10, 2011 10:19 AM

    drmonkeyarmy says:
    Aug 10, 2011 9:58 AM
    So, Orton didn’t talk to Tebow all of last year? Isn’t it part of the job of a veteran QB to help mentor and tutor a young QB in the system?
    =====================

    No, it’s not part of the job. Many QB’s, some much better that Kyle Orton, have refused publicly to be mentors to rookies.

    Elway himself refused to mentor Tommy Maddox or Brian Griese.

    Brett Favre had virtually no relationship with Aaron Rodgers.

    I remember Warren Moon once publicly refusing to mentor a young QB, though I can’t remember who it was.

    It’s absurd to assume these guys have the responsibility to mentor someone who is after their job. This is their livelihood for God’s sake.

    And those guys I list above were firmly entrenched in their starting roles, and still didn’t help.

    You expect a guy like Orton, who is probably going to face a training camp competition every year he is in the league, to help someone put him on the unemployment line?

    It’s amazing what fans expect guys trying to carve out a career to do in the name of “team”, even if damages said career.

  26. moneymike23 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:20 AM

    “So, Orton didn’t talk to Tebow all of last year? Isn’t it part of the job of a veteran QB to help mentor and tutor a young QB in the system?”
    ______________________________
    LOL, Nooooooo! He doesn’t have to tutor anyone if he doesn’t want to.

  27. akulabug says: Aug 10, 2011 10:25 AM

    I blame the Broncos for even letting it get this far. Should never have been a competition in the first place.

    I had no idea that being an NFL QB was so easy that you could just take a guy who doesn’t have any of the need qualities and just wave a wand and make hinm one.

    Blind stupidy is what makes some of these teams as bad as they are.

  28. pftequalsgreatjournalism says: Aug 10, 2011 10:25 AM

    Fullback, H-Back or Tight End…

  29. richardmb52 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:27 AM

    Oh yea, Orton didn’t talk to Tiebow, bad bad boy, had nothing to do with the premadonna talking to the press all last year even thou Orton was the starter and should of been the one the press was talking too.

  30. headhunter11 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:28 AM

    ProFootball Talk inquirer making more (as always) of something even non Denver fans know. Orton was ALWAYS the starting QB. Trying to make a big deal over nothing, everybody knows Tebow was not going to start. Gossip, boredom, nothing to write about?

  31. biggerballz says: Aug 10, 2011 10:29 AM

    everyone with a half a brain knew there was never any competition. the broncos are very lucky they didn’t trade away orton.

  32. pape27 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:31 AM

    Rick Reilly?

    He’s been working since he left SI? huh, never knew that…

  33. scudbot says: Aug 10, 2011 10:31 AM

    Hire an ace QB coach, sit the guy for another year or two, coach him up. Along with another one or two. It’s not realistic to expect most college QBs who have never played in a pro set to step in and shine before year 3. It’s pretty clear that McKid failed at that too, so it might take Tebow an extra year.

  34. moth25 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:33 AM

    Whoa. Who said anything about giving up on Tebow? He’s a second year quarterback that lost his biggest supporter (Josh McDaniels) and didn’t get his second offseason. Just the fact Elway’s mind went there is surprising.

    ————————————–

    If he didn’t go there you or some other reporter would have. He was trying to head off the misinterpretation before it started, but should have known that the media will misinterpret (or interpret to suite its purposes) whatever and whenever it wants to.

  35. citiciti says: Aug 10, 2011 10:33 AM

    Who cares?

  36. scudbot says: Aug 10, 2011 10:34 AM

    drmonkeyarmy says: “So, Orton didn’t talk to Tebow all of last year? Isn’t it part of the job of a veteran QB to help mentor and tutor a young QB in the system?”

    “It’s not in my contract to mentor Aaron Rodgers”

  37. 305hurricane says: Aug 10, 2011 10:35 AM

    Funny how Raiders fans are so loud and proud after their first .500 season in nearly a decade. Reality check your team sucks, everyones contracts expire this year, your wayyyyyy over the salary cap, more so than any other team, and your owner is the worst in football. Oh yeah and your moving to a new city in 3 years. If I was a Raider I would try to find more productive ways to spend my time than hating on Timmy Tebow. The last time you drafted a quarterback in the first round he was the equivalent of a 300 pound black ryan leaf on liquid codeine. Everyone else is entitled to their opinion.

  38. chace1986 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:38 AM

    The towering inferno outside of Broncos camp HQ and the parting of every lake in the immediate Denver area could also be determined as further “signs”.

  39. bobby4413 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:41 AM

    Thank God the Fins didn’t trade for either of these qb’s. We have our own issues at qb and don’t need to give up any draft picks just to inherit the Broncos’ qb issues!

  40. whatchutalkinabouthillis says: Aug 10, 2011 10:42 AM

    All hail the mighty Neckbeard! Can you rip on Reilly in more posts? Leatherheads was unforgivable.

  41. sterilizecromartie says: Aug 10, 2011 10:43 AM

    “We tend to ignore or disregard most everything Rick Reilly writes these days.”

    You should have stopped right there.

    Rick Reilly is the biggest hack out there. Just a few months ago he turned himself into a profession basketball evaluator and ripped on Jimmer Fredette for 15 paragraphs. Now he has morphed into a professional football evaluator.

    Except for the parts where he has Elway directly in quotes, everything else in that article is Reilly shotoing from the hip and trying to be funny. How can you take the man seriously? His last piece was a fantasy of him and Brett Favre hanging out in Brett’s driveway while he waits for an NFL team to call. It was the worst thing I have ever read.

  42. qdog112 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:44 AM

    drmonkeyarmy says: Aug 10, 2011 9:58 AM

    So, Orton didn’t talk to Tebow all of last year? Isn’t it part of the job of a veteran QB to help mentor and tutor a young QB in the system? I just lost a mountain of respect for Kyle Orton. I feel bad for the Broncos fans. You just know the team will be 8-8 with Orton. He will put up numbers but won’t win games, as always.
    ————————–
    Ask Brett Favre.

  43. deadeye says: Aug 10, 2011 10:44 AM

    It was over when the Orton-to-Miami trade fell through.

  44. CKL says: Aug 10, 2011 10:46 AM

    @ Realitypolice,
    I don’t expect a vet to take time away from his own pursuit to get better to help another guy take his job. But I expect a little more team first attitude than refusing to speak to the guy. Answer his questions, help him if asked? Absolutely. It’s a team sport and the team’s #1, IMO.

  45. dynast77 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:47 AM

    Honestly, how many wins do you expect from the Broncos behind Orton this year? Probably 8?

    Now how many wins could they honestly expect behind Tebow? Also probably 8?

    I wouldn’t say that either QB really has a better chance of winning games. Would you?

    At that point, it’s a toss-up. Why not go with the more popular choice with the greater potential future in Tebow?

  46. slvrbullet86 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:48 AM

    [quote]The team is also letting Johnny-Come-Lately Tebow fans with a political agenda influence the whole ordeal. Elway, get a hold of this ship, before the fans turn on you too…[/quote]

    You hit it right on the head. Bronco fans are the most delusional in the entire NFL. Elway can do no wrong, he could take a dump on the 50 yard line of mile high and people would line up to pooper scoop. He even married an ex-Raiders cheerleader for crying out loud; an act of sacrilege for any other Bronco backer.

    Or maybe Bronco fans love for Teblow comes from their own personal misunderstanding of god. Case in point, their bumper stickers that say, “If god wasn’t a Broncos fan then why are sunsets orange…”

  47. jackfnburton says: Aug 10, 2011 10:49 AM

    “Who said anything about giving up on Tebow? He’s a second year quarterback that lost his biggest supporter (Josh McDaniels) and didn’t get his second offseason. Just the fact Elway’s mind went there is surprising.”

    First of all, the article presents Elway’s answer without specifying the question that prompted it. Without knowing the question, that’s a lazy judgement to make.

    Second, who said anything about giving up on Tebow? Oh, only about 75 percent of the media and general NFL fanbase, that’s who.

    Also…

    “Something tells us Reilly didn’t suddenly turn into a football scout to make these assessments. They are coming from the Broncos.”

    All you need is a pair of eyes to make the observations Reilly makes. The kid’s not ready. He seems physically poised but mentally lost. Can’t make the reads, holds on to the ball too long, happy feet, bad release point, on and on. If you can’t see it when you watch him play then you don’t watch a lot of football.

  48. mmmpieyummy says: Aug 10, 2011 10:54 AM

    Hey 305hurricane – I don’t see any Raider fans here bashing your little Timmy Teblow…don’t know what the hell you’re reading.

    As you said, everyone’s entitled to their opinion and most of them have just been saying what you obviously refuse to realize – Teblow sucks!

    And just so you know…the Raiders aren’t over the salary cap – get your facts straight.

    Timmy Teblow…your new starting QB for the Edmonton Eskimos.

  49. indywilson40 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:59 AM

    ……and Skip Bayless’s ego takes a huge hit.

  50. hailvictory44 says: Aug 10, 2011 10:59 AM

    To be continued next year…(the horseheads have to figure out sooner or later if Tebow can play)

  51. NFLJunkie says: Aug 10, 2011 11:01 AM

    I guess you could argue (weakly, IMO) it wasn’t Orton’s job to help Tebow.

    Tebow’s kind of between a rock and a hard place there. Talk to the media (who are still going to show interest in a first round pick, especially a QB, and especially when the team isn’t winning much with the vet) and he apparently ticks off Orton, don’t talk to them and that can be taken the wrong way, too.

    Orton shunning Tebow because he was a rookie or because Tebow was the one the media wanted to hear from seems petty.

    I don’t even like Tebow. But now I think even less of Orton.

  52. broncfanor says: Aug 10, 2011 11:06 AM

    There NEVER was a competition.

    The minute Orton killed the Miami trade it was over.

    Denver wasn’t going to pay the petulant child 8+ million to sit on the bench and pout creating issues in the locker room.

    Tebow was not given and will not be given a fair chance in Denver.

  53. nomoreseasontix says: Aug 10, 2011 11:08 AM

    It’s over until Orton can’t quite seal the deal. Again.
    Expect to see Tebow out there running around in circles by week 10.

  54. normswifevera says: Aug 10, 2011 11:11 AM

    The whole “the locker room wants Orton” thing is so stupid.

    How many games did Denver win last year? FOUR? And that was with an incredibly soft schedule. They’re going to suck this year no matter who the quarterback is. And Orton is hardly the QB of the future.

    This entire season should be about finding out if Tebow is capable of being an NFL quarterback. And if he’s not, they have to find a QB next year.

    Playing Orton only accomplishes two things: it prevents them from finding out about Tebow, and it makes the Broncos slightly more likely to get lucky in a game or two, ruining their chances of getting the #1 pick and Andrew Luck.

    What an epic disaster. Elway is proving to be just as clueless as everyone else who has captained the S.S. Donkey over the last decade.

  55. scytherius says: Aug 10, 2011 11:13 AM

    Utterly wasted draft pick.

  56. tkraw33 says: Aug 10, 2011 11:16 AM

    Quarterbacks are and always will be a jealous lot….after all, we’ve all heard the old saying that the backup quarterback is the most popular man in town….Recall Boomer Esiason, a guy who was popular as a player and now a media personality, asking if David Klingler could “rush the passer” after he found out the Bengals drafted him?

  57. packattack1967 says: Aug 10, 2011 11:18 AM

    Mile High Mediocrity.

  58. waldoampere says: Aug 10, 2011 11:23 AM

    “Orton didn’t talk to Tiebow, bad bad boy, had nothing to do with the premadonna talking to the press all last year”

    Premadonna? Wouldn’t that be Cindi Lauper or Debbie Harry?

  59. tatum064 says: Aug 10, 2011 11:23 AM

    The bottom line is neither Fox nor Elway drafted Tebow, and they arent staking their administration on how many jerseys the guy sells…and frankly a John Fox offense isnt a Mike Shanahan or Mike Martz offense BY FAR. Its basically hand the ball off , screen pass, half roll and 4-5 step drop offense, but you have to make decisions quickly.

    This is a guy who needs a gimmick offense, and isnt quick enough to run one – it’ll be interesting to see him in pre-season..and i’m betting he gets limited looks because they dont want to decrease his trade value (if any). Reilly is strictly an entertainment/observational comment guy that is pro-Broncos…loved the fact the Raiders dropped 50+ at Mile High last year. Will be interesting to see how Elway plays this situation if Orton gets injured and Tebow struggles.

  60. opie333 says: Aug 10, 2011 11:24 AM

    If They have a 8-8 season and don’t play Tebow. John Fox is done! The fans want to see him and they buy the tickets! Lets just face it there not going to the Superbowl this year. Fox needs to call this a developmental year and play Tebow, because the first time the fans start booing Orten will have his ass on the bench. Football is just like everything else 70% marketing 30% winning. Even the people who hate Tebow want to see him play just to get killed!

  61. realitypolice says: Aug 10, 2011 11:25 AM

    CKL says:
    Aug 10, 2011 10:46 AM
    @ Realitypolice,
    I don’t expect a vet to take time away from his own pursuit to get better to help another guy take his job. But I expect a little more team first attitude than refusing to speak to the guy. Answer his questions, help him if asked? Absolutely. It’s a team sport and the team’s #1, IMO.
    =========================

    I must have missed the part of the article where it said that Tebow approached Orton and asked him for help and Orton refused.

    Yes, I would have a different opinion if the article stated that Tebow was rebuffed in attempts to seek out answers to questions by Orton.

    You’re reading alot into the story that isn’t there.

    My response was to drmonkeyarmy’s assertion that part of a starting QB’s job is “mentor and tutor a young QB in the system”.

    As to your “team first” point, you’re thinking like a fan, not a professional athlete. Professional athletes, even the ones that seem outwardly humble, by nature have large egos. You don’t get where they are without one.

    As such, they believe that the best thing they can for the team is to play for it. It is THEIR presence on the field that gives the team the best chance to win, so ipso facto anything they do to keep their jobs IS the best thing for the team.

  62. winkeroni says: Aug 10, 2011 11:44 AM

    The Broncos aren’t exactly shopping Tebow and I think that he’s in Denver’s plans for the future. Tebow may not be pro ready but fortunately he plays qb and that’s the one position that teams tend to be patient with. Whether you like Tebow or not, he’ll be generating a lot of buzz for the next couple of years whether he starts or not. The guy markets himself very well, especially for a 2nd stringer.

  63. nickster2k says: Aug 10, 2011 11:45 AM

    You just know the team will be 8-8 with Orton.

    =============================

    that’s incredibly optimistic. This is probably the worst team in the league.

  64. captainslapnuts says: Aug 10, 2011 11:52 AM

    drmonkeyarmy says:
    Aug 10, 2011 9:58 AM
    So, Orton didn’t talk to Tebow all of last year? Isn’t it part of the job of a veteran QB to help mentor and tutor a young QB in the system? I just lost a mountain of respect for Kyle Orton. I feel bad for the Broncos fans. You just know the team will be 8-8 with Orton. He will put up numbers but won’t win games, as always.

    ____

    Yet, his first losing season as a starting QB was last year……

    Argument = fail

    And no, it’s not his job to talk to or mentor the QB. That’s what they have a QB coach for. It’s Orton’s job to be prepared for game day.

  65. redruckus81 says: Aug 10, 2011 11:54 AM

    drmonkeyarmy says:
    Aug 10, 2011 9:58 AM
    So, Orton didn’t talk to Tebow all of last year? Isn’t it part of the job of a veteran QB to help mentor and tutor a young QB in the system? I just lost a mountain of respect for Kyle Orton. I feel bad for the Broncos fans. You just know the team will be 8-8 with Orton. He will put up numbers but won’t win games, as always.

    ————————–

    Nope it isnt his job. That responsibility would fall on the QB Coach and O-Coordinator. If Tebow wants the job so bad he needs to go out and earn it himself and nobody should expect Orton or any other QB for that matter to help the guy who is trying to take his job

  66. captainslapnuts says: Aug 10, 2011 12:05 PM

    broncfanor says:
    Aug 10, 2011 11:06 AM
    There NEVER was a competition.

    The minute Orton killed the Miami trade it was over.

    Denver wasn’t going to pay the petulant child 8+ million to sit on the bench and pout creating issues in the locker room.

    Tebow was not given and will not be given a fair chance in Denver.

    ____

    How has Orton acted petulant? You’re obviously not a true Bronco fan, so you need to change your handle

  67. granadafan says: Aug 10, 2011 12:14 PM

    Only Gator fans and some deluded Bronco fans think Tebow is an NFL QB. Their argument is that he a) “won” in college, b) won the Heisman, and c) is great when the play breaks down.

    A) It’s a team game and Tebow was surrounded by NFL talent on the offense and DEFENSE. Plus, he was in an Urban Meyer system which is a gimmick offense which is great in college where he didn’t have to make reads in the shotgun, but not under center in the NFL. QBs who ran the spread or runNShoot in college usually can’t hack it in the pros.

    B) Quick, name the last successful (maybe Palmer) Heisman trophy winning QB in the NFL since 1990.

    C) He’s not good in normal plays where the play doesn’t break down and is forced to make reads. You could see it in the video when he awkardly takes snaps from under the center and has to drop back while keeping an eye on the receivers.

    Maybe he’ll get it in a few years, but clearly not now.

  68. jaypace says: Aug 10, 2011 12:16 PM

    The thing I find funny is that people are predicting 8 wins for the broncos this year. Orton lead them to three wins last year. So his play alone is going to lead them to five more. No way. The broncos would have been better suited playing tebow this year so the could start planning for next year. Everybody wants orton to start until he starts. He’s not going to win you any games and he doesn’t really cost you any games. If the broncos start out 1-5 the fans will be calling for Timmy. And I like orton but people are acting like the guy is Joe montanya

  69. bronco1st says: Aug 10, 2011 12:24 PM

    There was never any competition to begin with. KO was named the starter back in February. The rest was just a show for the Tebow supporters. When Orton starts 1-9, Elway and Fox will feel the oil bath at Invesco Field starting to boil around them, Tebow will be trotted out to save their butts but it will be too late. 2-14 and the #1 pick, here we come!

  70. broncfanor says: Aug 10, 2011 12:39 PM

    Start me or trade me= Petulant.

    Oh and I love when people play the your not a “true” fan card. Real original and mature.

  71. jpk6044 says: Aug 10, 2011 12:43 PM

    Does it matter who starts? I mean, let’s face it, they both blow.

  72. billsfan1 says: Aug 10, 2011 1:01 PM

    I know my team sucks but all of the sudden Ryan fitzpatrick doesn’t look so bad.
    As far as tebow goes…he may not be a starting QB but he has football talent..maybe instead of critiquing him the broncos should find a way to let him contribute by any means necessary

  73. broncx says: Aug 10, 2011 1:13 PM

    Great news!!!! Why not take advantage of Orton for his final year. If Orton can get a running game, a D that can give them half decent field position once and a while he will be a good QB and decide what you want to do with him next year. As for Tebow….. I’m not counting him out yet, why does it matter if he has certain faiths or beliefs, all I care about is whether or not he can play football……seems like there are a lot of Raiders, Chargers & Chiefs fans on here trashing the Broncos……clean up your on back yard before you try to clean up ours.

  74. kevpft says: Aug 10, 2011 1:19 PM

    What I can’t figure out is why the team isn’t moving on getting Tebow into a different position. They don’t really owe it to anyone to keep him as a QB, and if they keep marginalizing him this way, his trade value is going to plummet lower than it would already be.

    If they think he has potential as a QB, why aren’t they working harder on that development? If they don’t think he’s their QB but has trade value as a QB, why aren’t they moving him out quickly, with so many other teams in need of QB help? And if they want to keep him, but not as a QB, why aren’t they getting him started somewhere else (tight end?)?

    Any of those moves would make sense. No moves at all doesn’t make sense to me – maybe it really is indecision.

  75. duffer58 says: Aug 10, 2011 1:31 PM

    Rick Reilly is a clown. What difference does it make what he says?

  76. moondog7 says: Aug 10, 2011 2:00 PM

    Orton finished the season 1 – 8 after a 2 – 2 start. In those last 9 games the broncos scored over 20 points A total of 2 times. The defense didn’t lose any of those games except one vs the rams. Where all this Kyle orton is great talk comes from I don’t know. The broncos will go nowhere with him they are much better off seeing what tebow has and giving him some actual experience. If he improves stick with him if not find somebody else. Either way broncos know there a .500 team at best this year.

  77. Matthew Wolfe says: Aug 10, 2011 2:01 PM

    “Whoa. Who said anything about giving up on Tebow? He’s a second year quarterback that lost his biggest supporter (Josh McDaniels) and didn’t get his second offseason. Just the fact Elway’s mind went there is surprising.”

    With all due respect, isn’t it feasible that Reilly phrased a question asking if the Broncos were giving up on Tebow, and that Elway was simply addressing the question? It’s a pretty common tactic to ask a question just to get a quote with some meat in it. I’d bet anything it’s something you’ve done in your experience.

  78. thephantomstranger says: Aug 10, 2011 2:14 PM

    richardmb52 says:
    Aug 10, 2011 10:27 AM
    Oh yea, Orton didn’t talk to Tiebow, bad bad boy, had nothing to do with the premadonna talking to the press all last year even thou Orton was the starter and should of been the one the press was talking too.
    ____________

    So now Tebow is being ripped because the press wanted to talk to him instead of Orton? It isn’t Tebow’s job to tell the press who they should talk to. You ask him a question, he’ll answer it. If he said he wasn’t going to talk because he’s not the starter, you’d be ripping him for not talking to the media.

    And it’s spelled “prima donna.”

  79. jjbadd says: Aug 10, 2011 3:50 PM

    This comment is to EJ who posted “Elway has no buisness making football operations decisions”

    First of all he does have buisness doing it, its now his job. But I understand what you meant, you believe he isn’t qualified. Elway was (in my opinion at least) the greatest QB or for sure one of the greatest to ever play. He spent 16 years on 1 team, watching players come, watching players go. His opinion was solicited many times over 10 of those 16 years, when making decisions on personnel for the team. He knows the QB position & what it takes to win. I myself, thought he was wrong for not supporting the decision to start Tebow, because I know Orton isn’t the long term answer for the Broncos. Not that I thought Tebow is the answer, I just wanted like many, to see what the Broncos have in Tebow. But Orton will most likely win more games, Elway knows that & probably pushed the issue on Fox. But all I’m saying, is trust me, Elway is an intelligent man who left this game on 2 super bowl wins in a row, & I will always believe he coulda 3 peated, & he is absolutely qualified to make football operation decisions! It’s not rocket science. He looked at players “on the field” for most of his adult life, & probably knows when he sees a winner.

  80. batsandgats says: Aug 10, 2011 5:31 PM

    No usually guys like Elway are the WORST at evaluating football talent. The reason why? It came to them naturally. Look around at head coaches, scouts, coordinators, are most of them former pro bowlers? No most are guys that didn’t have the natural ability to be a player but made up for it with knowing all the little secrets, and this is talking just about playing college ball at some small school, like Sean Payton who played for Eastern Illinois and 1 NFL game during the strike, he is one of the best at evaluating quarterback talent. He made Tony Romo relevant for Christ’s sake (Romo has gotten worse ever since he left though). Bellicheck played center at some small college, but he KNOWS what to look for in a player, everyone criticized him for playing a “nobody 6th rounder” in Tom Brady over the loved Drew Bledsoe when Bledsoe came back from his injury. Elway is not one of these guys, it came to him naturally, he is not good at evaluating football talent just because he was great at being a quarterback. The only position he might be able to evaluate is wide receiver and that is who he worked with.

  81. batsandgats says: Aug 10, 2011 5:33 PM

    Matt Millen was a pro bowl linebacker and 4 time superbowl champion when he played, how did his stint with the Lions do as a general manager? some of the WORST 1st and 2nd round picks in NFL history and poor roster decisions. Just poor management all around. Josh McDaniels may not know how to run a team as a coach, but he DOES know quarterback talent and how to maximize a quarterback’s skillset.

    Do you think Matt Cassel wouldve been anything if he wasn’t developed by someone who knew what they were doing? What do you think McDaniels was doing in New England? coordinating the offense? hardly? Bellicheck calls the plays on offense and defense.

  82. mogogo1 says: Aug 10, 2011 5:34 PM

    broncfanor says:

    There NEVER was a competition.

    The minute Orton killed the Miami trade it was over.

    Denver wasn’t going to pay the petulant child 8+ million to sit on the bench and pout creating issues in the locker room.

    Tebow was not given and will not be given a fair chance in Denver.
    ______________________________

    And they’re not going to give him a fair shot because…why exactly? They don’t want to win? They can’t wait to burn another first round pick on the next QB of the future? They’re going to sign Kyle Orton to a lifetime contract?

    You’re the sort of Tebow fanatic that everybody laughs at. You simply cannot bring yourself to believe even for a moment that Tebow might not be ready for the NFL. Thus, it must be a conspiracy to keep the kid down. If Tebow ever leaves Denver and doesn’t make it elsewhere I suppose it’ll be Roger Goodell’s fault.

  83. stanklepoot says: Aug 10, 2011 5:48 PM

    johnnyjagfan says: Aug 10, 2011 10:08 AM

    I can’t believe Orton didn’t talk to Tebow, either. Because he’s a rookie? That’s the reason he SHOULD have been talking to him. Apparently Orton is insecure. He’s a better QB than a rookie whose never played in a pro set, but he’s not nearly as good a man as I’d of imagined.
    __________________
    Not nearly as good a man? Please. Tebow was a rookie sitting on the bunch for most of last year. Before taking a snap in a real game he was shooting commercials and schmoozing the media big time. That sort of thing tends to rub vets the wrong way. As for Orton teaching Tebow, that’s just crazy. For one thing, they’re completely different types of QBs. More importantly, Orton has bounced around the league because no matter what kind of numbers he’s put up, teams are always looking for the next big thing. He finally landed a starting job in Denver, and now he’s supposed to coach up a rookie whose big claim to fame is jersey sales? It’s the coaches’ job to get Tebow ready to play. It’s not Orton’s responsibility to help someone take his job.

  84. paul621 says: Aug 10, 2011 7:49 PM

    Your link supposedly explaining the Leatherheads reference just takes you to another article, with another link to explain the reference? The Internet’s great and all, but man, it can make authors lazy. Explain the reference or don’t use it, don’t rely on links. And yes, I feel old having written that.

  85. lance19 says: Aug 10, 2011 8:32 PM

    pre madonna
    =
    Bruce in the changing room at Lips
    before the big “Express Yourself” number

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