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		<title>By: lance19</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 00:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: paul621</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your link supposedly explaining the Leatherheads reference just takes you to another article, with another link to explain the reference? The Internet&#039;s great and all, but man, it can make authors lazy. Explain the reference or don&#039;t use it, don&#039;t rely on links. And yes, I feel old having written that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your link supposedly explaining the Leatherheads reference just takes you to another article, with another link to explain the reference? The Internet&#8217;s great and all, but man, it can make authors lazy. Explain the reference or don&#8217;t use it, don&#8217;t rely on links. And yes, I feel old having written that.</p>
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		<title>By: stanklepoot</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[johnnyjagfan says: Aug 10, 2011 10:08 AM

I can’t believe Orton didn’t talk to Tebow, either. Because he’s a rookie? That’s the reason he SHOULD have been talking to him. Apparently Orton is insecure. He’s a better QB than a rookie whose never played in a pro set, but he’s not nearly as good a man as I’d of imagined.
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Not nearly as good a man? Please. Tebow was a rookie sitting on the bunch for most of last year. Before taking a snap in a real game he was shooting commercials and schmoozing the media big time. That sort of thing tends to rub vets the wrong way. As for Orton teaching Tebow, that&#039;s just crazy. For one thing, they&#039;re completely different types of QBs. More importantly, Orton has bounced around the league because no matter what kind of numbers he&#039;s put up, teams are always looking for the next big thing. He finally landed a starting job in Denver, and now he&#039;s supposed to coach up a rookie whose big claim to fame is jersey sales? It&#039;s the coaches&#039; job to get Tebow ready to play. It&#039;s not Orton&#039;s responsibility to help someone take his job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johnnyjagfan says: Aug 10, 2011 10:08 AM</p>
<p>I can’t believe Orton didn’t talk to Tebow, either. Because he’s a rookie? That’s the reason he SHOULD have been talking to him. Apparently Orton is insecure. He’s a better QB than a rookie whose never played in a pro set, but he’s not nearly as good a man as I’d of imagined.<br />
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Not nearly as good a man? Please. Tebow was a rookie sitting on the bunch for most of last year. Before taking a snap in a real game he was shooting commercials and schmoozing the media big time. That sort of thing tends to rub vets the wrong way. As for Orton teaching Tebow, that&#8217;s just crazy. For one thing, they&#8217;re completely different types of QBs. More importantly, Orton has bounced around the league because no matter what kind of numbers he&#8217;s put up, teams are always looking for the next big thing. He finally landed a starting job in Denver, and now he&#8217;s supposed to coach up a rookie whose big claim to fame is jersey sales? It&#8217;s the coaches&#8217; job to get Tebow ready to play. It&#8217;s not Orton&#8217;s responsibility to help someone take his job.</p>
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		<title>By: mogogo1</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[broncfanor says:

There NEVER was a competition.

The minute Orton killed the Miami trade it was over.

Denver wasn’t going to pay the petulant child 8+ million to sit on the bench and pout creating issues in the locker room.

Tebow was not given and will not be given a fair chance in Denver.
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And they&#039;re not going to give him a fair shot because...why exactly?  They don&#039;t want to win? They can&#039;t wait to burn another first round pick on the next QB of the future?  They&#039;re going to sign Kyle Orton to a lifetime contract?  

You&#039;re the sort of Tebow fanatic that everybody laughs at. You simply cannot bring yourself to believe even for a moment that Tebow might not be ready for the NFL. Thus, it must be a conspiracy to keep the kid down.  If Tebow ever leaves Denver and doesn&#039;t make it elsewhere I suppose it&#039;ll be Roger Goodell&#039;s fault.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>broncfanor says:</p>
<p>There NEVER was a competition.</p>
<p>The minute Orton killed the Miami trade it was over.</p>
<p>Denver wasn’t going to pay the petulant child 8+ million to sit on the bench and pout creating issues in the locker room.</p>
<p>Tebow was not given and will not be given a fair chance in Denver.<br />
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<p>And they&#8217;re not going to give him a fair shot because&#8230;why exactly?  They don&#8217;t want to win? They can&#8217;t wait to burn another first round pick on the next QB of the future?  They&#8217;re going to sign Kyle Orton to a lifetime contract?  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re the sort of Tebow fanatic that everybody laughs at. You simply cannot bring yourself to believe even for a moment that Tebow might not be ready for the NFL. Thus, it must be a conspiracy to keep the kid down.  If Tebow ever leaves Denver and doesn&#8217;t make it elsewhere I suppose it&#8217;ll be Roger Goodell&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: batsandgats</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt Millen was a pro bowl linebacker and 4 time superbowl champion when he played, how did his stint with the Lions do as a general manager? some of the WORST 1st and 2nd round picks in NFL history and poor roster decisions. Just poor management all around.  Josh McDaniels may not know how to run a team as a coach, but he DOES know quarterback talent and how to maximize a quarterback&#039;s skillset.

Do you think Matt Cassel wouldve been anything if he wasn&#039;t developed by someone who knew what they were doing? What do you think McDaniels was doing in New England? coordinating the offense? hardly? Bellicheck calls the plays on offense and defense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Millen was a pro bowl linebacker and 4 time superbowl champion when he played, how did his stint with the Lions do as a general manager? some of the WORST 1st and 2nd round picks in NFL history and poor roster decisions. Just poor management all around.  Josh McDaniels may not know how to run a team as a coach, but he DOES know quarterback talent and how to maximize a quarterback&#8217;s skillset.</p>
<p>Do you think Matt Cassel wouldve been anything if he wasn&#8217;t developed by someone who knew what they were doing? What do you think McDaniels was doing in New England? coordinating the offense? hardly? Bellicheck calls the plays on offense and defense.</p>
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		<title>By: batsandgats</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No usually guys like Elway are the WORST at evaluating football talent. The reason why? It came to them naturally. Look around at head coaches, scouts, coordinators, are most of them former pro bowlers? No most are guys that didn&#039;t have the natural ability to be a player but made up for it with knowing all the little secrets, and this is talking just about playing college ball at some small school, like Sean Payton who played for Eastern Illinois and 1 NFL game during the strike, he is one of the best at evaluating quarterback talent. He made Tony Romo relevant for Christ&#039;s sake (Romo has gotten worse ever since he left though). Bellicheck played center at some small college, but he KNOWS what to look for in a player, everyone criticized him for playing a &quot;nobody 6th rounder&quot; in  Tom Brady over the loved Drew Bledsoe when Bledsoe came back from his injury. Elway is not one of these guys, it came to him naturally, he is not good at evaluating football talent just because he was great at being a quarterback. The only position he might be able to evaluate is wide receiver and that is who he worked with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No usually guys like Elway are the WORST at evaluating football talent. The reason why? It came to them naturally. Look around at head coaches, scouts, coordinators, are most of them former pro bowlers? No most are guys that didn&#8217;t have the natural ability to be a player but made up for it with knowing all the little secrets, and this is talking just about playing college ball at some small school, like Sean Payton who played for Eastern Illinois and 1 NFL game during the strike, he is one of the best at evaluating quarterback talent. He made Tony Romo relevant for Christ&#8217;s sake (Romo has gotten worse ever since he left though). Bellicheck played center at some small college, but he KNOWS what to look for in a player, everyone criticized him for playing a &#8220;nobody 6th rounder&#8221; in  Tom Brady over the loved Drew Bledsoe when Bledsoe came back from his injury. Elway is not one of these guys, it came to him naturally, he is not good at evaluating football talent just because he was great at being a quarterback. The only position he might be able to evaluate is wide receiver and that is who he worked with.</p>
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		<title>By: jjbadd</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This comment is to EJ who posted &quot;Elway has no buisness making football operations decisions&quot;

First of all he does have buisness doing it, its now his job. But I understand what you meant, you believe he isn&#039;t qualified. Elway was (in my opinion at least) the greatest QB or for sure one of the greatest to ever play. He spent 16 years on 1 team, watching players come, watching players go. His opinion was solicited many times over 10 of those 16 years, when making decisions on personnel for the team. He knows the QB position &amp; what it takes to win. I myself, thought he was wrong for not supporting the decision to start Tebow, because I know Orton isn&#039;t the long term answer for the Broncos. Not that I thought Tebow is the answer, I just wanted like many, to see what the Broncos have in Tebow. But Orton will most likely win more games, Elway knows that &amp; probably pushed the issue on Fox. But all I&#039;m saying, is trust me, Elway is an intelligent man who left this game on 2 super bowl wins in a row, &amp; I will always believe he coulda 3 peated, &amp; he is absolutely qualified to make football operation decisions! It&#039;s not rocket science. He looked at players &quot;on the field&quot; for most of his adult life, &amp; probably knows when he sees a winner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment is to EJ who posted &#8220;Elway has no buisness making football operations decisions&#8221;</p>
<p>First of all he does have buisness doing it, its now his job. But I understand what you meant, you believe he isn&#8217;t qualified. Elway was (in my opinion at least) the greatest QB or for sure one of the greatest to ever play. He spent 16 years on 1 team, watching players come, watching players go. His opinion was solicited many times over 10 of those 16 years, when making decisions on personnel for the team. He knows the QB position &amp; what it takes to win. I myself, thought he was wrong for not supporting the decision to start Tebow, because I know Orton isn&#8217;t the long term answer for the Broncos. Not that I thought Tebow is the answer, I just wanted like many, to see what the Broncos have in Tebow. But Orton will most likely win more games, Elway knows that &amp; probably pushed the issue on Fox. But all I&#8217;m saying, is trust me, Elway is an intelligent man who left this game on 2 super bowl wins in a row, &amp; I will always believe he coulda 3 peated, &amp; he is absolutely qualified to make football operation decisions! It&#8217;s not rocket science. He looked at players &#8220;on the field&#8221; for most of his adult life, &amp; probably knows when he sees a winner.</p>
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		<title>By: thephantomstranger</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[richardmb52 says: 
Aug 10, 2011 10:27 AM 
Oh yea, Orton didn’t talk to Tiebow, bad bad boy, had nothing to do with the premadonna talking to the press all last year even thou Orton was the starter and should of been the one the press was talking too.
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So now Tebow is being ripped because the press wanted to talk to him instead of Orton? It isn&#039;t Tebow&#039;s job to tell the press who they should talk to. You ask him a question, he&#039;ll answer it. If he said he wasn&#039;t going to talk because he&#039;s not the starter, you&#039;d be ripping him for not talking to the media.

And it&#039;s spelled &quot;prima donna.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>richardmb52 says:<br />
Aug 10, 2011 10:27 AM<br />
Oh yea, Orton didn’t talk to Tiebow, bad bad boy, had nothing to do with the premadonna talking to the press all last year even thou Orton was the starter and should of been the one the press was talking too.<br />
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<p>So now Tebow is being ripped because the press wanted to talk to him instead of Orton? It isn&#8217;t Tebow&#8217;s job to tell the press who they should talk to. You ask him a question, he&#8217;ll answer it. If he said he wasn&#8217;t going to talk because he&#8217;s not the starter, you&#8217;d be ripping him for not talking to the media.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s spelled &#8220;prima donna.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Wolfe</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Whoa. Who said anything about giving up on Tebow? He’s a second year quarterback that lost his biggest supporter (Josh McDaniels) and didn’t get his second offseason. Just the fact Elway’s mind went there is surprising.&quot;

With all due respect, isn&#039;t it feasible that Reilly phrased a question asking if the Broncos were giving up on Tebow, and that Elway was simply addressing the question? It&#039;s a pretty common tactic to ask a question just to get a quote with some meat in it. I&#039;d bet anything it&#039;s something you&#039;ve done in your experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whoa. Who said anything about giving up on Tebow? He’s a second year quarterback that lost his biggest supporter (Josh McDaniels) and didn’t get his second offseason. Just the fact Elway’s mind went there is surprising.&#8221;</p>
<p>With all due respect, isn&#8217;t it feasible that Reilly phrased a question asking if the Broncos were giving up on Tebow, and that Elway was simply addressing the question? It&#8217;s a pretty common tactic to ask a question just to get a quote with some meat in it. I&#8217;d bet anything it&#8217;s something you&#8217;ve done in your experience.</p>
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		<title>By: moondog7</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Orton finished the season 1 - 8 after a 2 - 2 start. In those last 9 games the broncos scored over 20 points A total of 2 times. The defense didn&#039;t lose any of those games except one vs the rams. Where all this Kyle orton is great talk comes from I don&#039;t know. The broncos will go nowhere with him they are much better off seeing what tebow has and giving him some actual experience. If he improves stick with him if not find somebody else. Either way broncos know there a .500 team at best this year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orton finished the season 1 &#8211; 8 after a 2 &#8211; 2 start. In those last 9 games the broncos scored over 20 points A total of 2 times. The defense didn&#8217;t lose any of those games except one vs the rams. Where all this Kyle orton is great talk comes from I don&#8217;t know. The broncos will go nowhere with him they are much better off seeing what tebow has and giving him some actual experience. If he improves stick with him if not find somebody else. Either way broncos know there a .500 team at best this year.</p>
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		<title>By: duffer58</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rick Reilly is a clown.  What difference does it make what he says?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick Reilly is a clown.  What difference does it make what he says?</p>
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		<title>By: kevpft</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I can&#039;t figure out is why the team isn&#039;t moving on getting Tebow into a different position. They don&#039;t really owe it to anyone to keep him as a QB, and if they keep marginalizing him this way, his trade value is going to plummet lower than it would already be. 

If they think he has potential as a QB, why aren&#039;t they working harder on that development? If they don&#039;t think he&#039;s their QB but has trade value as a QB, why aren&#039;t they moving him out quickly, with so many other teams in need of QB help? And if they want to keep him, but not as a QB, why aren&#039;t they getting him started somewhere else (tight end?)?

Any of those moves would make sense. No moves at all doesn&#039;t make sense to me - maybe it really is indecision.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I can&#8217;t figure out is why the team isn&#8217;t moving on getting Tebow into a different position. They don&#8217;t really owe it to anyone to keep him as a QB, and if they keep marginalizing him this way, his trade value is going to plummet lower than it would already be. </p>
<p>If they think he has potential as a QB, why aren&#8217;t they working harder on that development? If they don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s their QB but has trade value as a QB, why aren&#8217;t they moving him out quickly, with so many other teams in need of QB help? And if they want to keep him, but not as a QB, why aren&#8217;t they getting him started somewhere else (tight end?)?</p>
<p>Any of those moves would make sense. No moves at all doesn&#8217;t make sense to me &#8211; maybe it really is indecision.</p>
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		<title>By: broncx</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great news!!!! Why not take advantage of Orton for his final year. If Orton can get a running game, a D that can give them half decent field position once and a while he will be a good QB and decide what you want to do with him next year. As for Tebow..... I&#039;m not counting him out yet, why does it matter if he has certain faiths or beliefs, all I care about is whether or not he can play football......seems like there are a lot of Raiders, Chargers &amp; Chiefs fans on here trashing the Broncos......clean up your on back yard before you try to clean up ours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great news!!!! Why not take advantage of Orton for his final year. If Orton can get a running game, a D that can give them half decent field position once and a while he will be a good QB and decide what you want to do with him next year. As for Tebow&#8230;.. I&#8217;m not counting him out yet, why does it matter if he has certain faiths or beliefs, all I care about is whether or not he can play football&#8230;&#8230;seems like there are a lot of Raiders, Chargers &amp; Chiefs fans on here trashing the Broncos&#8230;&#8230;clean up your on back yard before you try to clean up ours.</p>
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		<title>By: billsfan1</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know my team sucks but all of the sudden Ryan fitzpatrick doesn&#039;t look so bad.
As far as tebow goes...he may not be a starting QB but he has football talent..maybe instead of critiquing him the broncos should find a way to let him contribute by any means necessary]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know my team sucks but all of the sudden Ryan fitzpatrick doesn&#8217;t look so bad.<br />
As far as tebow goes&#8230;he may not be a starting QB but he has football talent..maybe instead of critiquing him the broncos should find a way to let him contribute by any means necessary</p>
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		<title>By: jpk6044</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does it matter who starts? I mean, let&#039;s face it, they both blow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it matter who starts? I mean, let&#8217;s face it, they both blow.</p>
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		<title>By: broncfanor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[broncfanor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Start me or trade me= Petulant.

Oh and I love when people play the your not a &quot;true&quot; fan card. Real original and mature.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Start me or trade me= Petulant.</p>
<p>Oh and I love when people play the your not a &#8220;true&#8221; fan card. Real original and mature.</p>
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		<title>By: bronco1st</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bronco1st]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was never any competition to begin with. KO was named the starter back in February. The rest was just a show for the Tebow supporters. When Orton starts 1-9, Elway and Fox will feel the oil bath at Invesco Field starting to boil around them, Tebow will be trotted out to save their butts but it will be too late. 2-14 and the #1 pick, here we come!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was never any competition to begin with. KO was named the starter back in February. The rest was just a show for the Tebow supporters. When Orton starts 1-9, Elway and Fox will feel the oil bath at Invesco Field starting to boil around them, Tebow will be trotted out to save their butts but it will be too late. 2-14 and the #1 pick, here we come!</p>
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		<title>By: jaypace</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/10/more-evidence-the-broncos-quarterback-competition-is-over/#comment-1187307</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jaypace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The thing I find funny is that people are predicting 8 wins for the broncos this year. Orton lead them to three wins last year. So his play alone is going to lead them to five more. No way. The broncos would have been better suited playing tebow this year so the could start planning for next year. Everybody wants orton to start until he starts. He&#039;s not going to win you any games and he doesn&#039;t really cost you any games.  If the broncos start out 1-5 the fans will be calling for Timmy. And I like orton but people are acting like the guy is Joe montanya]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing I find funny is that people are predicting 8 wins for the broncos this year. Orton lead them to three wins last year. So his play alone is going to lead them to five more. No way. The broncos would have been better suited playing tebow this year so the could start planning for next year. Everybody wants orton to start until he starts. He&#8217;s not going to win you any games and he doesn&#8217;t really cost you any games.  If the broncos start out 1-5 the fans will be calling for Timmy. And I like orton but people are acting like the guy is Joe montanya</p>
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		<title>By: granadafan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[granadafan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only Gator fans and some deluded Bronco fans think Tebow is an NFL QB.  Their argument is that he a) &quot;won&quot; in college, b) won the Heisman, and c) is great when the play breaks down.   

A) It&#039;s a team game and Tebow was surrounded by NFL talent on the offense and DEFENSE. Plus, he was in an Urban Meyer system which is a gimmick offense which is great in college where he didn&#039;t have to make reads in the shotgun, but not under center in the NFL.  QBs who ran the spread or runNShoot in college usually can&#039;t hack it in the pros. 

B) Quick, name the last successful (maybe Palmer) Heisman trophy winning QB in the NFL since 1990. 

C) He&#039;s not good in normal plays where the play doesn&#039;t break down and is forced to make reads. You could see it in the video when he awkardly takes snaps from under the center and has to drop back while keeping an eye on the receivers. 

Maybe he&#039;ll get it in a few years, but clearly not now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only Gator fans and some deluded Bronco fans think Tebow is an NFL QB.  Their argument is that he a) &#8220;won&#8221; in college, b) won the Heisman, and c) is great when the play breaks down.   </p>
<p>A) It&#8217;s a team game and Tebow was surrounded by NFL talent on the offense and DEFENSE. Plus, he was in an Urban Meyer system which is a gimmick offense which is great in college where he didn&#8217;t have to make reads in the shotgun, but not under center in the NFL.  QBs who ran the spread or runNShoot in college usually can&#8217;t hack it in the pros. </p>
<p>B) Quick, name the last successful (maybe Palmer) Heisman trophy winning QB in the NFL since 1990. </p>
<p>C) He&#8217;s not good in normal plays where the play doesn&#8217;t break down and is forced to make reads. You could see it in the video when he awkardly takes snaps from under the center and has to drop back while keeping an eye on the receivers. </p>
<p>Maybe he&#8217;ll get it in a few years, but clearly not now.</p>
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		<title>By: captainslapnuts</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[captainslapnuts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[broncfanor says: 
Aug 10, 2011 11:06 AM 
There NEVER was a competition.

The minute Orton killed the Miami trade it was over.

Denver wasn’t going to pay the petulant child 8+ million to sit on the bench and pout creating issues in the locker room.

Tebow was not given and will not be given a fair chance in Denver.


____

How has Orton acted petulant? You&#039;re obviously not a true Bronco fan, so you need to change your handle]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>broncfanor says:<br />
Aug 10, 2011 11:06 AM<br />
There NEVER was a competition.</p>
<p>The minute Orton killed the Miami trade it was over.</p>
<p>Denver wasn’t going to pay the petulant child 8+ million to sit on the bench and pout creating issues in the locker room.</p>
<p>Tebow was not given and will not be given a fair chance in Denver.</p>
<p>____</p>
<p>How has Orton acted petulant? You&#8217;re obviously not a true Bronco fan, so you need to change your handle</p>
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		<title>By: redruckus81</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[redruckus81]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[drmonkeyarmy says: 
Aug 10, 2011 9:58 AM 
So, Orton didn’t talk to Tebow all of last year? Isn’t it part of the job of a veteran QB to help mentor and tutor a young QB in the system? I just lost a mountain of respect for Kyle Orton. I feel bad for the Broncos fans. You just know the team will be 8-8 with Orton. He will put up numbers but won’t win games, as always.

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Nope it isnt his job. That responsibility would fall on the QB Coach and O-Coordinator. If Tebow wants the job so bad he needs to go out and earn it himself and nobody should expect Orton or any other QB for that matter to help the guy who is trying to take his job]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>drmonkeyarmy says:<br />
Aug 10, 2011 9:58 AM<br />
So, Orton didn’t talk to Tebow all of last year? Isn’t it part of the job of a veteran QB to help mentor and tutor a young QB in the system? I just lost a mountain of respect for Kyle Orton. I feel bad for the Broncos fans. You just know the team will be 8-8 with Orton. He will put up numbers but won’t win games, as always.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Nope it isnt his job. That responsibility would fall on the QB Coach and O-Coordinator. If Tebow wants the job so bad he needs to go out and earn it himself and nobody should expect Orton or any other QB for that matter to help the guy who is trying to take his job</p>
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		<title>By: captainslapnuts</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[captainslapnuts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[drmonkeyarmy says: 
Aug 10, 2011 9:58 AM 
So, Orton didn’t talk to Tebow all of last year? Isn’t it part of the job of a veteran QB to help mentor and tutor a young QB in the system? I just lost a mountain of respect for Kyle Orton. I feel bad for the Broncos fans. You just know the team will be 8-8 with Orton. He will put up numbers but won’t win games, as always.

____

Yet, his first losing season as a starting QB was last year......

Argument = fail

And no, it&#039;s not his job to talk to or mentor the QB.  That&#039;s what they have a QB coach for.  It&#039;s Orton&#039;s job to be prepared for game day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>drmonkeyarmy says:<br />
Aug 10, 2011 9:58 AM<br />
So, Orton didn’t talk to Tebow all of last year? Isn’t it part of the job of a veteran QB to help mentor and tutor a young QB in the system? I just lost a mountain of respect for Kyle Orton. I feel bad for the Broncos fans. You just know the team will be 8-8 with Orton. He will put up numbers but won’t win games, as always.</p>
<p>____</p>
<p>Yet, his first losing season as a starting QB was last year&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Argument = fail</p>
<p>And no, it&#8217;s not his job to talk to or mentor the QB.  That&#8217;s what they have a QB coach for.  It&#8217;s Orton&#8217;s job to be prepared for game day.</p>
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		<title>By: nickster2k</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You just know the team will be 8-8 with Orton.

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that&#039;s incredibly optimistic.  This is probably the worst team in the league.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just know the team will be 8-8 with Orton.</p>
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<p>that&#8217;s incredibly optimistic.  This is probably the worst team in the league.</p>
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		<title>By: winkeroni</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[winkeroni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Broncos aren&#039;t exactly shopping Tebow and I think that he&#039;s in Denver&#039;s plans for the future.  Tebow may not be pro ready but fortunately he plays qb and that&#039;s the one position that teams tend to be patient with.  Whether you like Tebow or not, he&#039;ll be generating a lot of buzz for the next couple of years whether he starts or not.  The guy markets himself very well, especially for a 2nd stringer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Broncos aren&#8217;t exactly shopping Tebow and I think that he&#8217;s in Denver&#8217;s plans for the future.  Tebow may not be pro ready but fortunately he plays qb and that&#8217;s the one position that teams tend to be patient with.  Whether you like Tebow or not, he&#8217;ll be generating a lot of buzz for the next couple of years whether he starts or not.  The guy markets himself very well, especially for a 2nd stringer.</p>
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		<title>By: realitypolice</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[realitypolice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CKL says:
Aug 10, 2011 10:46 AM
@ Realitypolice,
I don’t expect a vet to take time away from his own pursuit to get better to help another guy take his job. But I expect a little more team first attitude than refusing to speak to the guy. Answer his questions, help him if asked? Absolutely. It’s a team sport and the team’s #1, IMO.
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I must have missed the part of the article where it said that Tebow approached Orton and asked him for help and Orton refused.

Yes, I would have a different opinion if the article stated that Tebow was rebuffed in attempts to seek out answers to questions by Orton.  

You&#039;re reading alot into the story that isn&#039;t there.

My response was to drmonkeyarmy&#039;s assertion that part of a starting QB&#039;s job is &quot;mentor and tutor a young QB in the system&quot;.

As to your &quot;team first&quot; point, you&#039;re thinking like a fan, not a professional athlete.  Professional athletes, even the ones that seem outwardly humble, by nature have large egos.  You don&#039;t get where they are without one.

As such, they believe that the best thing they can for the team is to play for it.  It is THEIR presence on the field that gives the team the best chance to win, so ipso facto anything they do to keep their jobs IS the best thing for the team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CKL says:<br />
Aug 10, 2011 10:46 AM<br />
@ Realitypolice,<br />
I don’t expect a vet to take time away from his own pursuit to get better to help another guy take his job. But I expect a little more team first attitude than refusing to speak to the guy. Answer his questions, help him if asked? Absolutely. It’s a team sport and the team’s #1, IMO.<br />
=========================</p>
<p>I must have missed the part of the article where it said that Tebow approached Orton and asked him for help and Orton refused.</p>
<p>Yes, I would have a different opinion if the article stated that Tebow was rebuffed in attempts to seek out answers to questions by Orton.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re reading alot into the story that isn&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>My response was to drmonkeyarmy&#8217;s assertion that part of a starting QB&#8217;s job is &#8220;mentor and tutor a young QB in the system&#8221;.</p>
<p>As to your &#8220;team first&#8221; point, you&#8217;re thinking like a fan, not a professional athlete.  Professional athletes, even the ones that seem outwardly humble, by nature have large egos.  You don&#8217;t get where they are without one.</p>
<p>As such, they believe that the best thing they can for the team is to play for it.  It is THEIR presence on the field that gives the team the best chance to win, so ipso facto anything they do to keep their jobs IS the best thing for the team.</p>
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		<title>By: opie333</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[opie333]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If They have a 8-8 season and don&#039;t play Tebow. John Fox is done! The fans want to see him and they buy the tickets! Lets just face it there not going to the Superbowl this year. Fox needs to call this a developmental year and play Tebow, because the first time the fans start booing Orten will have his ass on the bench. Football is just like everything else 70% marketing 30% winning. Even the people who hate Tebow want to see him play just to get killed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If They have a 8-8 season and don&#8217;t play Tebow. John Fox is done! The fans want to see him and they buy the tickets! Lets just face it there not going to the Superbowl this year. Fox needs to call this a developmental year and play Tebow, because the first time the fans start booing Orten will have his ass on the bench. Football is just like everything else 70% marketing 30% winning. Even the people who hate Tebow want to see him play just to get killed!</p>
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		<title>By: tatum064</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tatum064]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The bottom line is neither Fox nor Elway drafted Tebow, and they arent staking their administration on how many jerseys the guy sells...and frankly a John Fox offense isnt a Mike Shanahan or Mike Martz offense BY FAR.  Its basically hand the ball off , screen pass, half roll and 4-5 step drop offense, but you have to make decisions quickly. 

This is a guy who needs a gimmick offense, and isnt quick enough to run one - it&#039;ll be interesting to see him in pre-season..and i&#039;m betting he gets limited looks because they dont want to decrease his trade value (if any).  Reilly is strictly an entertainment/observational comment guy that is pro-Broncos...loved the fact the Raiders dropped 50+ at Mile High last year. Will be interesting to see how Elway plays this situation if Orton gets injured and Tebow struggles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is neither Fox nor Elway drafted Tebow, and they arent staking their administration on how many jerseys the guy sells&#8230;and frankly a John Fox offense isnt a Mike Shanahan or Mike Martz offense BY FAR.  Its basically hand the ball off , screen pass, half roll and 4-5 step drop offense, but you have to make decisions quickly. </p>
<p>This is a guy who needs a gimmick offense, and isnt quick enough to run one &#8211; it&#8217;ll be interesting to see him in pre-season..and i&#8217;m betting he gets limited looks because they dont want to decrease his trade value (if any).  Reilly is strictly an entertainment/observational comment guy that is pro-Broncos&#8230;loved the fact the Raiders dropped 50+ at Mile High last year. Will be interesting to see how Elway plays this situation if Orton gets injured and Tebow struggles.</p>
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		<title>By: waldoampere</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[waldoampere]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Orton didn’t talk to Tiebow, bad bad boy, had nothing to do with the premadonna talking to the press all last year&quot;

Premadonna?  Wouldn&#039;t that be Cindi Lauper or Debbie Harry?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Orton didn’t talk to Tiebow, bad bad boy, had nothing to do with the premadonna talking to the press all last year&#8221;</p>
<p>Premadonna?  Wouldn&#8217;t that be Cindi Lauper or Debbie Harry?</p>
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		<title>By: packattack1967</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[packattack1967]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mile High Mediocrity.]]></description>
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		<title>By: tkraw33</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tkraw33]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quarterbacks are and always will be a jealous lot....after all, we&#039;ve all heard the old saying that the backup quarterback is the most popular man in town....Recall Boomer Esiason, a guy who was popular as a player and now a media personality, asking if David Klingler could &quot;rush the passer&quot; after he found out the Bengals drafted him?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quarterbacks are and always will be a jealous lot&#8230;.after all, we&#8217;ve all heard the old saying that the backup quarterback is the most popular man in town&#8230;.Recall Boomer Esiason, a guy who was popular as a player and now a media personality, asking if David Klingler could &#8220;rush the passer&#8221; after he found out the Bengals drafted him?</p>
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