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Giants coach Tom Coughlin has donned his best constipated rhino face today, after Pro Bowl wideout Steve Smith became the latest big-name free agent to join the Eagles.  Coughlin says the Giants were promised a chance to match any other offers.

Agent Ben Dogra, who represents Smith, disagrees with the notion that a promise was made.

I did not,” Dogra tells Mike Garafolo of the Newark Star-Ledger.  “I never told them at any point.  And, in fact, I’ll take it a step further.  I told them, ‘Hey, I just want to be candid with you, I have another team that’s going to be in the mix on a one-year deal.’  So I did tell them that.

“If you have a sense of urgency, sometimes when you have a free agent, you can negotiate against yourself, you negotiate and wait for us or you just negotiate to get a deal done.  That’s the prerogative of the club.  We have no obligation to go back.”

I agree, and with all due respect to Coughlin I believe Dogra.  Though coaches and agents generally have a history of telling the truth only when it coincidentally meshes with their broader strategic objectives, Dogra didn’t become one of the top agents in the industry by telling lies and/or failing to honor his word.  Dogra has a reputation in league circles for only one thing:  Busting his ass.  (UPDATE:  Of course, this paragraph has prompted at least one NFL insider to contact PFT with a passionate contrary opinion.  And, as the source accurately pointed out, plenty of agents bust their asses.)

In this case, the Giants had every chance to get a deal done with Smith.  They didn’t, and it’s not Dogra’s or Smith’s fault.

“Ask them the question: do they think their offer was too low?” Dogra told Garafolo. “If they thought it was too high and he left, then it worked out for everybody because they wouldn’t have paid more.  If their offer was too low and they know it was low then shame on them.”

In the end, and as previously mentioned, Smith surely was troubled by Coughlin’s possible effort on Wednesday afternoon to scare away potential suitors by talking about the “long haul” that Smith faces to get his knee back to 100 percent.  It looks like the Giants perhaps wanted to preserve the ability to bring back Smith while at the same time ensuring that no one else would sign him.

In the end, the Giants now have two former big-time receivers who have gone to other teams.  Smith in their own division, and Plaxico Burress in their own backyard.

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  1. svcfilmguy says: Aug 11, 2011 2:49 PM

    He said, she said…is anyone surprised by this?

  2. capslockkey says: Aug 11, 2011 2:50 PM

    If Coughlin and the Giants valued Smith so much, they should have gotten him signed before he even had a chance to talk to Philly instead of dicking him around and letting other teams do the negotiating for them. You gambled because you wanted him back cheap and it came back to bite you. Boo hoo.

  3. stevemcguigan says: Aug 11, 2011 2:50 PM

    Try telling that to the mouth-breathing legion of mongoloid Giants fans threatening to eat Smith’s firstborn with mustard and relish.

  4. mike83ri says: Aug 11, 2011 2:50 PM

    I can’t imagine the offers were close. If the Giants were trying to low-ball him, I’d have done the same thing. Money talks, and a significantly bigger contract says ‘We actually WANT you on our team’. The Giants thought they were the big swinging dicks of Smith’s future and he responded by punching them in the jaw to set them straight.

  5. garryfish says: Aug 11, 2011 2:51 PM

    No one wants to play for Coughlin. Time to retire Tom!

  6. brs027 says: Aug 11, 2011 2:51 PM

    Why couldn’t you have taken the 5 year 35 Million offer Smith? I miss you already. I’m not mad. I understand it’s a business and that the Giants rarely pay. Oh well. Good luck in Philly.

    <33 A sad Giants Fan

  7. zaggs says: Aug 11, 2011 2:52 PM

    “I agree, and with all due respect to Coughlin I believe Dogra.”

    Then you are enshrining yourself as a moron. Dogra never countered the Giants offer, told the Giants he wouldn’t bother getting back to them outside of “we have another team”. Look this is an agent whose client knew he was going to get demoted to 3rd receiver at best, his client didn’t want any part of it, and bolted at a better setup. Now Dogra is trying to cover for his player.
    Here is a question for Dogra, if the Giants offer was too low, and Smith really had any interest in getting something done with the Giants, why not ask for something higher? Why simply say “there is someone else” and just walk away from the table?

  8. gcsuk says: Aug 11, 2011 2:52 PM

    Can the regular season please start already? The Giants Soap Opera is getting more annoying than the Lockout Soap Opera we went through already!

  9. jetswin5straightsuperbowls says: Aug 11, 2011 2:53 PM

    He still would not have signed with the Giants

  10. cletus van damm says: Aug 11, 2011 2:55 PM

    Coughlin maybe at some point u can stop blaming ur players.

    “I told u to punt it out of bounds” “I told u to punt it out of bounds”
    “I told u to punt it out of bounds” “I told u to punt it out of bounds”

    We got it Tom, you told him to punt it out of bounds.

    Did you tell ur defense to give up 21 points in the last 7 minutes? Or was that the punters fault too?

  11. benh999 says: Aug 11, 2011 2:56 PM

    I generally like Coughlin, but he has no one to blame but his own front office. If they l0w-balled Smith in the hope of being able to just match the next best offer and bring him back, it was a risky game and it backfired.

  12. phillychzstk2012 says: Aug 11, 2011 2:56 PM

    Hope Steve can help the Eagles fill our “empty trophy case”….ohh the irony. Its always fun to see how humble a division rival gets when he heads to a locker room he had a twitter beef with. Welcome Steve! and get healthy God Dammit lol

  13. dasportsninja says: Aug 11, 2011 2:58 PM

    The Eagles are straight up ninjas. They pick this guy up and he gives them another advantage in playing the Giants twice a year. he knows their playbook and offensive tendancies. He will help the team preparee for 2 divisional games. When he is healthy he will fill in nicely as a number 3 reciever. Give the Eagles front office alot of credit for taking a chance on this kid, but remember, it was not that big of a risk.

  14. hobartbaker says: Aug 11, 2011 2:59 PM

    Tom’s hearing isn’t what it used to be. He complained that Dogra talks too fast.

    “Ten million bid, do ya’ give me twenty, ten million, need twenty, twenty mill do I hear thirty, twenty mill, needa new bid now, twenty, twenty mill, do ya’ give me thirty….”.

  15. jakek2 says: Aug 11, 2011 3:03 PM

    No biggie. The guy will barely see the field this year and, even if he does, has been hurt his whole career save for one good year. The Eags just flushed $2M down the toilet. As for Plax, he was on the downside of his career before he shot himself, has been out for 2+ years and is already hurt.

    Nicks is primed to be a Top 5 WR and Manningham had 9 tds and 900+ yds last year in his first year as a full time starter.

    Gotta LOVE everyone sleeping on the G-Men!!

  16. Mr. Wright 212 says: Aug 11, 2011 3:04 PM

    capslockkey says: Aug 11, 2011 2:50 PM

    If Coughlin and the Giants valued Smith so much, they should have gotten him signed before he even had a chance to talk to Philly instead of dicking him around and letting other teams do the negotiating for them. You gambled because you wanted him back cheap and it came back to bite you. Boo hoo.
    —————–

    You and the others have no clue. He was offered a multi-year extension with big money. He turned it down, overvaluing himself.

    Then he got hurt.

    Now he’s on a one-year deal, knowing full well he won’t be there next year when they have to pay Vick and a ton of other guys.

    Then he’s gonna wanna crawl back here, instead of being smart about it like the GIANTS FRONT OFFICE WAS, and waiting until next offseason to cash in. People act like the Giants lowballed him. Considering he was only going to be able to play a maximum of 6-8 games this year, $2M and potentially $4M total is a complete spite move by him AND Philly for even offering it.

  17. jdandcoke says: Aug 11, 2011 3:05 PM

    smith, who is damaged goods, was a panic move made because of the maclin situation.

    if djax gets injured philly’s top two are cooper and avent. now….in addition to a questionable o-line, questionable safeties, and questionable lb’ers….you can add questionable receivers to the mix.

    that d-line and those corners better REALLY do their jobs this year.

  18. Mr. Wright 212 says: Aug 11, 2011 3:09 PM

    Aug 11, 2011 2:52 PM

    “I agree, and with all due respect to Coughlin I believe Dogra.”

    Then you are enshrining yourself as a moron. Dogra never countered the Giants offer, told the Giants he wouldn’t bother getting back to them outside of “we have another team”. Look this is an agent whose client knew he was going to get demoted to 3rd receiver at best, his client didn’t want any part of it, and bolted at a better setup. Now Dogra is trying to cover for his player.
    Here is a question for Dogra, if the Giants offer was too low, and Smith really had any interest in getting something done with the Giants, why not ask for something higher? Why simply say “there is someone else” and just walk away from the table?
    —————

    SAME.

    And I’ve had a beef with the agent all along for this reason. I knew all this non-action and stall BS was coming from him and not Steve. And this proves it.

  19. jetswin5straightsuperbowls says: Aug 11, 2011 3:12 PM

    Don’t worry Giant fans, with all the injury prone players the Eagles are signing, several are bound to end up on IR

  20. Mr. Wright 212 says: Aug 11, 2011 3:13 PM

    Yeah I love how people are sleeping on us. The only, ONLY position I’m nervous about is TE. People can joke all they want about Cruz, but the kid can ball. And it ain’t just based upon last preseason. He was good in college and he looks great thus far in training camp.

    Nicks just needs to stay healthy. Easily 105 catches this year. Talk about safety blankets, how many times did we see him get 9, 10 or more catches in a game when Smith was either out or taken away? Manningham will give teams fits and if Cruz is in the slot, he can effectively replace Steve.

    No need to even worry about the best defense in the NFC and, barring injury, poised to be the best in the NFL.

  21. chrisvegas says: Aug 11, 2011 3:19 PM

    Gaints shouldn’t have lowballed him because of his injury.

  22. drgfri says: Aug 11, 2011 3:23 PM

    Crotchety Coughlin strikes again!

  23. cruz1014 says: Aug 11, 2011 3:23 PM

    Simply put, Smith preached over and over on twitter and Facebook how he wanted to be a Giant so why the heck after the Philly offer was made WOULD YOU NOT go back to NY and say hey Philly offered this can you match or beat it? If not I’m out. No they didn’t say anything just up and signed. He’s an attention w**re whose best days are gone after that surgery. Have fun finding money after this garbage season you’re about to have scrub! LOL

  24. greymares says: Aug 11, 2011 3:24 PM

    jakek2 i wasn;t sleeping on the giants until they put me to sleep this team didn;t do anything to better this team, i doubt they finish ahead of the shanahan’s

  25. scomibord says: Aug 11, 2011 3:30 PM

    why wait to match an offer, if you want a player, make them an offer they can’t refuse. If not, don’t cry when they leave for more money. What happens when the front office cuts a player, then signs his replacement for more than they were offering the cut player, Isn’t the NFL a business??

  26. cletusvandam says: Aug 11, 2011 3:32 PM

    all these stories on a mediocre possession wr that probably wont be healthy until mid season…

  27. polishrod says: Aug 11, 2011 3:32 PM

    @jakek2 and @Mr. Wrong

    Are you kidding me? The majority of your fan base is acting like a spoiled 3rd grader, your HC is crying like a little baby and everyone within 100 miles of Manhattan is laughing…. yet you think you can plug Victor Cruz into the spot where a Pro Bowler was playing?

    Did they think he sucked last year when they offered him $7MM per year? And if its all about the injury, wouldn’t you want to make sure he’s not the same guy before you write him off?

    Just admit it, the Giants tried to play a money game. They lost. Now they try to blame it on the player. Losing the player was bad enough, but their reaction makes me pity the Giant fans everywhere because it REEKS of desperation.

    Enjoy your slide past mediocrity, down into the slums. (And say Hello to the Bengals for me while you’re down there)

  28. howmnyplayoffwinsugot says: Aug 11, 2011 3:49 PM

    More crying from big blue fans…love it!

  29. ebeg420 says: Aug 11, 2011 3:53 PM

    The Eagles deserve credit here……they not only signed a stud WR, they now have INSIDE INFORMATION on the G-Men……Andy Reid, Joe Banner and Jeffrey Lurie know what they are doing!!!! Coughlin isn’t taking jabs at Steve Smith, he is really telling everyone HE wanted him but the Organization didn’t fork up the money, they had PLENTY of time to make an offer. Shame on them

  30. drbob117 says: Aug 11, 2011 3:54 PM

    Giants fans just don’t get it… the guy was a free agent.. Dogra wasn’t obligated to do anything fopr the Giants, only his client. The Giants played a bad game of poker and lost, mainly telling the media that Smith wasn’t ready, hoping no other team would look beyond his word. They figured they could just keep low balling Smith until he was ready to play. They figured wrong. The Eagles have doctors too, and they checked, then offered Smith more money. The Giants were the one playing games here, not Smith, not Dogra. If they wanted him back, they had since the day after the lockout to get that done. If Coughlin should be mad at anyone, it’s the Giants GM.

  31. icelovinbrotha215 says: Aug 11, 2011 3:54 PM

    If the Giants wanted him back, they would’ve signed him to a reasonable deal. I guess they were quick to forget how well he played for them. Oh well. Welcome to the 215 Smitty.

  32. icelovinbrotha215 says: Aug 11, 2011 3:56 PM

    @jakek2, how many picks did Eli throw last year?

  33. jdandcoke says: Aug 11, 2011 4:06 PM

    drbob117

    REAL giants fans do get it. reese isnt giving money to a guy who isnt going to help the team…its only the little kids, who root for the giants but probably couldnt name their 22 starters, who are crying like babies. the giants only wanted him back at THIER price, and thats all there is to it.

    BTW knuckleheads….REEESE calls the shots, not coughlin. it was never TC’s decision; yeah, im sure he’s a little upset, as are some giants players….thats human nature.

    to the eagles fans….go ahead and beat the giants twice this year…heck, shut the giants out 56-0 in both games. when you actually win a SINGLE SUPER BOWL TROPHY, then by all means, let me know. until then….shaddup.

  34. jakek2 says: Aug 11, 2011 4:06 PM

    icelovinbrotha215 says:
    Aug 11, 2011 3:54 PM
    If the Giants wanted him back, they would’ve signed him to a reasonable deal. I guess they were quick to forget how well he played for them. Oh well. Welcome to the 215 Smitty.
    —————-
    And there is what separates Super Bowl champions from teams like the Eagles. You sign players based on past performance. We recognize that past doesn’t do anything in the present, which is why we move onward and upward. The Pats and Steelers live by this philosophy as well.

  35. oldbyrd says: Aug 11, 2011 4:07 PM

    let us read between the lines. Smith is going to be ready sooner than later.! The Giants gambled and lost. My feeling is The Eagles don’t need a cripled WR siting on the bench with a one year deal. What purpose would that serve? The Eagles must feel that Smith will play in the very near future. Mac, Smith, DJ, Avant……..WOW

  36. pixelito says: Aug 11, 2011 4:07 PM

    Whatever happened to the Steve Smith that plays in Carolina who’s knee isn’t destroyed?

  37. polishrod says: Aug 11, 2011 4:11 PM

    Mr. Wright 212 says:Aug 11, 2011 3:13 PM

    Yeah I love how people are sleeping on us. The only, ONLY position I’m nervous about is TE. People can joke all they want about Cruz, but the kid can ball. And it ain’t just based upon last preseason. He was good in college and he looks great thus far in training camp.

    Nicks just needs to stay healthy. Easily 105 catches this year. Talk about safety blankets, how many times did we see him get 9, 10 or more catches in a game when Smith was either out or taken away? Manningham will give teams fits and if Cruz is in the slot, he can effectively replace Steve.

    No need to even worry about the best defense in the NFC and, barring injury, poised to be the best in the NFL.
    think with all
    ——————————–

    This comment is so far from reality, its almost unbelievable.

    Nicks with 105 catches? Cruz just replacing Smith in the slot? What’s next, Eli for President??

    Hey Chief, this is ProFootballTalk not Madden12FootballTalk

  38. fmwarner says: Aug 11, 2011 4:20 PM

    What Smith turning down that $35 million contract last year has to do with this at all is beyond me. This is about a deal for THIS year, when he’s a free agent.

  39. bigbluefan1 says: Aug 11, 2011 4:20 PM

    One thing I do not understand here

    Since when do you blame the coach for not signing the player they have a GM for that

    If they thought he was worth it they would have paid it

    Tom has a ring andy does not

    Need I say more

    No matter what the egals still have andy and we all know how well he does in the last 2 minutes of any game

  40. green41563 says: Aug 11, 2011 4:25 PM

    What’s so hard about this? He was a free agent. If you want him, sign him.

  41. NFLJunkie says: Aug 11, 2011 4:27 PM

    If Steve Smith wanted to stay in NY, all he had to to do was tell Dogra to give the Giants a chance to match/counter.

    This is about Smith, not Dogra. But as is often the case for a guy trying to get a new deal from his old team, if they don’t make him feel all warm and fuzzy after he’s spilled sweat and blood for them and he gets frustrated with the negotiations, he’s likely to bolt — sometimes even taking less money.

    But he didn’t really owe the Giants anything either (that’s why they call it unrestricted free agency). Especially if they were saying he was going to have a long road back.

  42. markus124 says: Aug 11, 2011 4:28 PM

    The next time Dogra tries to shop one of his clients to the Giants, he’ll get the same treatment he gave them.

    If Smith wanted to return to the Giants (as Smith always said), a reasonable agent would have gone back to the Giants to see if they wanted to match.

    Please investigate what other clients Dogra has with the Eagles and we can then see if he was helping Smith or himself.

  43. polishrod says: Aug 11, 2011 4:29 PM

    bigbluefan1 says:Aug 11, 2011 4:20 PM

    One thing I do not understand here

    Since when do you blame the coach for not signing the player they have a GM for that

    If they thought he was worth it they would have paid it

    Tom has a ring andy does not

    Need I say more

    No matter what the egals still have andy and we all know how well he does in the last 2 minutes of any game

    ——-

    You mean like scoring 21 points in the last 2 minutes of a game? Take your pick, either your team sucked or the Eagles were flat-out great at the end of that game.

    Also, when you think about your SB win, do you then think about your HS girl-friend or what it might be like to lose your virginity?

  44. drbob117 says: Aug 11, 2011 4:31 PM

    @jdandcoke: If the Giants really believe that Smith can’t help them this year, fine. You probably won’t believe this, but that’s the way the Eagles have done business for years , with no regrets about fans thinking they should have kept this guy or that guy. But the Eagles coaches don’t go around whining to the media how unfair it was that they never had a chance to keep the guy, when they know damn well they did. Coughlin is acting like someone stole his newborn son. I’ll admit, I’m an Eagles fan, I want Smith to succeed, but time will tell if they made the right decision or if the Giants did. My thing is, be man enough to stand by the decision, don’t whine about it and say it was unfair.

  45. glac1 says: Aug 11, 2011 4:31 PM

    today in history…. deep within a tiny hamlet (called Green Bay) the Packers were officially organized back in 1919! Congratulations to the 13 time World Champions……….and Happy Birthday!

  46. jdandcoke says: Aug 11, 2011 4:31 PM

    polishrod

    have you actually seen the giants play? uh yeah dude, hicks and manningham are both VERY good receivers….probable pro-bowlers in the very near future. and yes, in 2011 a guy like cruz CAN replace steve smith. the dude had MICROFRACTURE SUREGRY in DECEMBER!!

    seriously guys….are you that stupid to believe that smith is going to be what he was?? do some research on the procedure and the recovery time. kenny phillips had almost an entire season, and an off-season, to recover from his and he was barely visible on the field last year. amazing how a guy as stupid as andy reid is can hoodwink you chumps….pathetic.

  47. nard100 says: Aug 11, 2011 4:33 PM

    brs027 says:
    Aug 11, 2011 2:51 PM
    Why couldn’t you have taken the 5 year 35 Million offer Smith? I miss you already. I’m not mad. I understand it’s a business and that the Giants rarely pay. Oh well. Good luck in Philly.

    <33 A sad Giants Fan

    ————————————————–

    That's the point. We did make an offer, then he got hurt. I can't imagine, what the eagles think they are going to get out of a player that will probably (if he's smart) miss half this season. I will miss him and wish him well (until he comes to the meadowlands). Go Giants.

  48. locusthopper says: Aug 11, 2011 4:34 PM

    New York is throwing one Giant hissy fit over this.

  49. philyeagles5 says: Aug 11, 2011 4:42 PM

    jakek2 says:
    Aug 11, 2011 3:03 PM
    No biggie. The guy will barely see the field this year and, even if he does, has been hurt his whole career save for one good year. The Eags just flushed $2M down the toilet. As for Plax, he was on the downside of his career before he shot himself, has been out for 2+ years and is already hurt.

    Nicks is primed to be a Top 5 WR and Manningham had 9 tds and 900+ yds last year in his first year as a full time starter.

    Gotta LOVE everyone sleeping on the G-Men!!
    ============================
    i think they signed him just so the Giants couldnt…

  50. drexelvol says: Aug 11, 2011 4:43 PM

    He may not even make the team, so whatevs.

  51. jdandcoke says: Aug 11, 2011 4:44 PM

    drbob

    i agree that the TC should not be crying over spilled milk….but lets face it….even if smith never plays a single down again in his career, it was still a bit of a slap in the face by smith.

    regardless though, TC probably should have said nothing, but he was the kids coach since he came into the league….obviously there is a bit of a bond there.

  52. jfluke65 says: Aug 11, 2011 4:47 PM

    I dunno. I’m thinking: Coughlin wanted him back, the FO screwed up, Coughlin got pissed, then someone told him they didn’t get a chance to match just to keep Coughlin from goin’ off on them.

  53. jakek2 says: Aug 11, 2011 4:47 PM

    Also, when you think about your SB win, do you then think about your HS girl-friend or what it might be like to lose your virginity?
    ——-
    polish the rod –

    Depends. What SB win of ours are you referring to? HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHA

  54. justanotherdummy says: Aug 11, 2011 4:50 PM

    Bigbluefan, Andy Reid does have a SB ring, it is on his hand for every game, won it with Green Bay as QB coach. He just didn’t get it in Philadelphia.

  55. jdandcoke says: Aug 11, 2011 4:55 PM

    bottom line for philly: the PROSPECT of facing d-jax, a healthy maclin, and a healthy smith is a scary one.

    however, the LIKELIHOOD of facing d-jax, cooper, and avant….not so much.

  56. theytukrjobs says: Aug 11, 2011 4:57 PM

    Giants seem to have an extremely player-friendly organization. Good for them.

  57. thefirstsmilergrogan says: Aug 11, 2011 4:58 PM

    Looks like Osi is right; and the Giants front office lies. And then they probably told Coughlin that crap about Dogra doubling back on them to cover their asses for not getting the job done.

    Its comforting to know that not only can’t they manage the cap, they will now have the rep of unreliable partners. No one will want to do a deal with them.

  58. Mr. Wright 212 says: Aug 11, 2011 5:05 PM

    This is why they’ll never win anything. They’re more concerned with regular season wins, spite moves and getting under teams’ skin, than winning.

  59. contract says: Aug 11, 2011 5:08 PM

    Smith didn’t owe the Giants anything. If they wanted to sign him, they should have made him a better offer.

  60. Mr. Wright 212 says: Aug 11, 2011 5:14 PM

    This comment is so far from reality, its almost unbelievable.

    Nicks with 105 catches? Cruz just replacing Smith in the slot? What’s next, Eli for President??

    Hey Chief, this is ProFootballTalk not Madden12FootballTalk
    —————

    How is it? Nicks had 79 after missing 3 full games and parts of two others. Eli was force feeding the ball to him early on in the season, and with more targets this year, BARRING INJURY, as I said, how is this a stretch, pendejo?

    Cruz will be proficient in the slot. If you have been at camp, you will see he is making progress by leaps and bounds. Direct your failed sarcasm elsewhere.

  61. sdw2001 says: Aug 11, 2011 5:14 PM

    jakek2 says:
    Aug 11, 2011 3:03 PM
    No biggie. The guy will barely see the field this year and, even if he does, has been hurt his whole career save for one good year. The Eags just flushed $2M down the toilet. As for Plax, he was on the downside of his career before he shot himself, has been out for 2+ years and is already hurt.

    Nicks is primed to be a Top 5 WR and Manningham had 9 tds and 900+ yds last year in his first year as a full time starter.

    Gotta LOVE everyone sleeping on the G-Men!!
    ——————-

    Now look, anything can and does happen in the NFL—but at this point I fail to see how Giants fans can be happy with the offseason moves OR confident in what’s to come. They’ve done a terrible job while the Eagles have probably added the most FA talent in all of football. The Giants are primed to finish third in the NFC East.

    As a fan I know you’ve got to root for your team to do better…and they might. But you’re simply not being realistic. All kidding aside, Philly fans are quite realistic in most cases. Last year we saw a lot of problems. Most people here (analysts, fans) were predicting a record of 8-8 on average, with a good year being 9-7 or 10-6. Some even said 7-9. Now, due to certain circumstances we ended up on the better end of things…but on paper it sure didn’t seem like that was going to happen. My point? Face it…the Giants are likely not going to have a great year. Sorry dude.

  62. jakek2 says: Aug 11, 2011 5:28 PM

    Face it…the Giants are likely not going to have a great year. Sorry dude
    ———–
    sdw – worse was said about the Giants before the 07′ season. That season didn’t turn out so bad. True Giants’ fans that don’t get caught up in FF stats, espn highlights, doom and gloom from the sky is falling NY-types know that if Reese sees a need, he’ll fill it (Rolle last year, Canty, Boley). If not, he stands pat. This is a stand pat year and I for one could not be happier.

  63. baroneski29 says: Aug 11, 2011 6:01 PM

    The Giants didn’t need him. They have enough receivers, and he is coming off of a pretty serious injury. I doubt he’ll be who he was, especially since he relies very much on his cutting ability.

  64. jakek2 says: Aug 11, 2011 6:15 PM

    baroneski29 says:
    Aug 11, 2011 6:01 PM
    The Giants didn’t need him. They have enough receivers, and he is coming off of a pretty serious injury. I doubt he’ll be who he was, especially since he relies very much on his cutting ability.
    ————
    Eagles’ fans will ignore you. You make too much sense.

  65. strahan92 says: Aug 11, 2011 7:04 PM

    Remember kids, Iggles never win rings

  66. stanklepoot says: Aug 11, 2011 7:05 PM

    zaggs says: Aug 11, 2011 2:52 PM

    “I agree, and with all due respect to Coughlin I believe Dogra.”

    Then you are enshrining yourself as a moron. Dogra never countered the Giants offer, told the Giants he wouldn’t bother getting back to them outside of “we have another team”. Look this is an agent whose client knew he was going to get demoted to 3rd receiver at best, his client didn’t want any part of it, and bolted at a better setup. Now Dogra is trying to cover for his player.
    Here is a question for Dogra, if the Giants offer was too low, and Smith really had any interest in getting something done with the Giants, why not ask for something higher? Why simply say “there is someone else” and just walk away from the table?
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    One question: Why would Dogra try to “cover for his player” when no cover up is needed? Smith was a free agent, and had every right to negotiate or not negotiate with any team he chose to deal with. Giants had quite a while to offer him a contract that would get the deal done. Instead, the offered him a very low one year contract and simply waited for him to cave.

    If anyone is covering anything up, it’s Coughlin. Why would he go out of his way to say Smith’s recovery will be a long haul? Smith was a free agent at this point. If he were in such poor shape, then:
    1. Why would the Giants still offer him a one year contract?
    2. Why would they warn other teams about the problem?

    If this were the case, then why not sit back and let another team waste its money on a player who won’t be able to play this year? Simply let the guy sign a one year deal elsewhere and rehab on another team’s dime. When the other team gets frustrated and drops him to open up a roster spot, swoop in and pick him up for a fraction of the cost. Seems much more likely that Coughlin was tampering with a free agent’s potential dealings with other teams. That has to be a violation of some league rule. If nothing else, you’d have to figure that Coughlin publicly commenting on the health of a player not on his own roster while that player was trying to negotiate a contract would open Coughlin up to a law suit, as his words could negatively impact Smith’s ability to find gainful employment.

  67. stanklepoot says: Aug 11, 2011 7:09 PM

    (UPDATE: Of course, this paragraph has prompted at least one NFL insider to contact PFT with a passionate contrary opinion. And, as the source accurately pointed out, plenty of agents bust their asses.)
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    Come on now Jerry and Rex. Your teams lost out on signing Nnamdi fair and square. No need acting like a little kid with a skinned knee now.

  68. cgarsmoker says: Aug 11, 2011 7:15 PM

    The Giants are the biggest bunch of blame game cry babies in the NFL. It’s the Panthers fault Osi wants a new contract….It’s the agents fault that Smith got away. Boo freaking hoo! Hey Giants – how about growing a pair and owning up to the reason you’re gonna finish last in the division is because of your own stupid decisions?

  69. Mr. Wright 212 says: Aug 11, 2011 8:34 PM

    Dogra only cared about his 10%. 10% of $4M is more than 10% of $1.1M. He wasn’t acting in Steve’s best interest — because he’s barely gonna make the team, barely contribute, and STILL have no value next offseason.

    At least here, he had an established role and would have been most productive here and if he decided to go someplace else LONG TERM in 2012, then it was understandable. This is just a sniveling, weaseling move on the part of both Steve and the agent. Has nothing to do with what who “owed” what to who.

    And for someone who fed into the rivalry on their social media pages so much, this dude is as clueless and unaware as LeBron James.

    This is the kind of stuff that Red Sox front office does to spite the Yankees.

  70. stanklepoot says: Aug 11, 2011 11:57 PM

    Mr. Wright 212 says: Aug 11, 2011 8:34 PM

    Dogra only cared about his 10%. 10% of $4M is more than 10% of $1.1M. He wasn’t acting in Steve’s best interest — because he’s barely gonna make the team, barely contribute, and STILL have no value next offseason.

    At least here, he had an established role and would have been most productive here and if he decided to go someplace else LONG TERM in 2012, then it was understandable. This is just a sniveling, weaseling move on the part of both Steve and the agent. Has nothing to do with what who “owed” what to who.

    And for someone who fed into the rivalry on their social media pages so much, this dude is as clueless and unaware as LeBron James.

    This is the kind of stuff that Red Sox front office does to spite the Yankees.
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    What a surprise, Mr. Wright couldn’t be any more wrong. Yeah, I know, crappy pun but given the comment in question it deserved no more than that. First of all, agents don’t make 10%, so your numbers are a bit off. Secondly, the Eagles offered about twice as much guaranteed money and the same length contract. So, Smith makes more money now and will still get a shot at free agency next season when other teams aren’t worried about his knee. How is that proof of Dogra not acting in his client’s best interest? Seems to me Dogra did pretty well for his client under the circumstances. As for the Eagles dumping him: really, after giving him a couple million dollars guaranteed? Stop being such a blind homer and think things threw little bit before you go on a rant. One final note. The Eagles aren’t going to use up a roster spot and pay that kind of money just to tweak the Giants organization. It’s a calculated risk. Either Smith doesn’t recover and they’re out some money, or he does recover and they get really good (and young) WR at a discount price.

  71. savagem47 says: Aug 12, 2011 9:27 AM

    Why do Eagles fans talk like all is ok in their receiving corps? You do realize Maclin is SERIOUSLY messed up and you just picked up a Giants #3 Receiver… OFF OF MICROFRACTURE SURGERY… look it up, they literally break your bones to promote healing, he is not ok… let’s not forget that prima donna D-Jax who is unhappy with his contract… you have more problems than answers

  72. eaglegangreen says: Aug 13, 2011 6:56 PM

    Comment for JDandcoke. You should stop sippin on that JD and coke. We’ll face you with Djax, Avant, Cooper, Hall, Celek, McCoy, Ronnie Brown.. hell, maybe Vick will even pass it to himself. Smith will recover and your whining is just sour grapes because your owner tried to lowball his player and it bit him in the ass. Not sayin it’s you personally, but you don’t deserve to have this guy on your team. In Philly, we may engage in trash talk, but this is 2011. What’s with all the racial comments? Trash talk is one thing, being a bigot and wishing a player personal harm….now that’s lowball.

  73. eaglegangreen says: Aug 13, 2011 7:03 PM

    By the way all Ginas fans, you say Smith was only a #3 receiver on your team. What do you think he will be in Philly. We already got a #1 and a #2 and a #3 and we even have a tight end…ooops I forgot yours took the first train outta town. Stop moaning and groaning and simply come to play. May the best team win.

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