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Cris Carter: Calvin Johnson is great in video games, not in real football


Eight-time Pro Bowl receiver Cris Carter was asked on ESPN Radio this morning to list the elite wide receivers in the NFL. Lions receiver Calvin Johnson did not make his list.

Instead, Carter said, the top receivers in football are Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Greg Jennings, Reggie Wayne, DeSean Jackson and Roddy White.

“Calvin Johnson, he’s very, very good at Madden and Tecmo Bowl or whatever they’re playing now,” Carter said. “But on film, when I watch film, and I break down the film, he’s not to the point of these guys yet.”

ESPN Radio’s Mike Greenberg pointed out that Johnson has played with lousy quarterbacks, but Carter wasn’t buying it.

“I made eight Pro Bowls,” Carter said. “I made it with five different quarterbacks. They weren’t always great. So I don’t want to hear the excuse that I’m not playing with a great quarterback.”

Frankly, for Carter to compare the quarterbacks he played with to the quarterbacks Johnson has been saddled with is absurd. In Carter’s best years he was catching passes from Jim McMahon, Sean Salisbury, Warren Moon, Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, Jeff George and a prime Daunte Culpepper. Johnson has caught passes from Jon Kitna, Dan Orlovsky, Matthew Stafford, Shaun Hill, Drew Stanton and a past-his-prime Culpepper. Carter’s quarterbacks were far better than Johnson’s.

Carter also downgraded Johnson, he said, because “right now you don’t have to double team him to take him out of the game.” But Tom Kowalski writes at that opposing defenses don’t seem to think that’s true: Even with Charles Woodson and Darrelle Revis, the Packers and Jets doubled Johnson last season.

I’m not going to go so far as to say that Carter is simply wrong with his assessment of who the elite receivers in the NFL are, since judging the greatness of a wide receiver is a subjective exercise — as Carter himself has found out when getting passed over for the Hall of Fame. But I will say that Carter’s analysis was weak. Johnson has been held back by the quarterbacks he’s played with, and he hasn’t been shut down by single coverage. And he’s great in more than just video games.

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102 Responses to “Cris Carter: Calvin Johnson is great in video games, not in real football”
  1. Mr. Wright 212 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:22 PM

    He’s been coming off as a know-it-all both on ESPN and anytime someone asks him anything. Further alienating people from voting for him to enter the Hall. His numbers obviously dictate that he should be there.

    Mega hasn’t had a solid QB. When he does, he’ll average 90 catches a year for the next 8-10 years.

  2. zar21 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:24 PM

    Uncalled for and untruthful, Calvin Johnson may not be in the Top 5 WRs but he is very talented. Quite frankly Cris Carter is a ugly douche.

  3. notrelated says: Aug 12, 2011 7:24 PM

    I like Carter and all but all the guys he listed had very good… to great QB’s throwing to him, but he goes on to say the QB doesn’t matter. I mean, the “worse” QB throwing to a WR on his list is probably McNabb. Calvin Johnson is a top WR bro. If you can’t admit that he’d thrive under a good to great QB then there ain’t nothing to help you.

  4. razsan says: Aug 12, 2011 7:25 PM

    My first thought is that Chris Carter is an idiot… second is maybe he’s jealous…I’ll go with my third…he’s blind.
    If NFL execs were picking it would be a toss up between the 2 Johnsons and Fitzgerald.

  5. thousandcasts says: Aug 12, 2011 7:25 PM

    Chris Carter is an idiot.

  6. play4blood says: Aug 12, 2011 7:25 PM

    Chris Carter is only bearable due to the fact he’s not Michael Irvin.

  7. stoutfiles says: Aug 12, 2011 7:25 PM

    Cris Carter has been a real dick since he got passed over by the HoF. Megatron caught 12 TD’s for the awful Lions last year. He’s a great receiver.

  8. wryly1 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:26 PM

    I’m just totally stumped, Can’t decide who’s evaluation and assessment of NFL WR’s to subscribe to: Mike Greenberg’s or Chris Carter’s.

  9. says: Aug 12, 2011 7:27 PM

    Bitter old man jealous of the young blood.

  10. jetswin5straightsuperbowls says: Aug 12, 2011 7:28 PM

    Chris Carter and Shannon Sharpe are horrible on t.v. Do us all a favor and go away

  11. whatsafairway says: Aug 12, 2011 7:30 PM

    Carter is an incredible narcissist and can’t stand to give anyone else their due as it might reflect badly on his perception of himself.

  12. georgeanderson2 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:30 PM

    There is not one HC in the league who wouldn’t want Calvin on their team. You don’t have to take the Gruden route and kiss everyones rear, but you also don’t have to try and be controversial just because your mic is on.

  13. sdstrong217 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:30 PM

    Cris Carter is a tool.

    Plus I think at least two more receivers should be on that list. And I think Desean Jackson is hardly on the level of Andre, Fitz, Roddy White, and a host of other receivers.

    And VJax is gonna be a force this year.

  14. nepatriots128154 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:30 PM

    Sorry, no way Reggie Wayne is better than Calvin Johnson. Thats absurd. Wayne used to be insane, but he isn’t nearly that good anymore.

  15. realfootballfan says: Aug 12, 2011 7:30 PM

    Carter is generally a blowhard, but I’d agree with this assessment of Calvin Johnson.

    As much as people knocked Randy Moss, Johnson is a better example of a guy just getting buy on his ability, as great as it is (guess when you’re a “good” guy, those kinds of traits go unnoticed).

    he’s not a precise route runner and has many other flaws in his game that should not be there at this point of his career.

  16. pone27 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:31 PM

    Hey Cris, this is a FAN talking, that’s right, not some BS analyst (which you are.)

    Calvin Johnson is easily one of the best, and I have film.

    Cris Carter is officially the Charles Barkley of the NFL. An “analyst” who thinks he is king and any player who plays his position who poses a threat to his career he can bash and we think we should listen.

    Your job is done Cris… now go sip pina coladas and stop trying to act like you have a media career old timer. -1 to cris carter……hater. And for the record, im a Pats fan not a Lions fan.

  17. losunderdogs says: Aug 12, 2011 7:31 PM

    Starting to belive carter hates every wr in the nfl, garenteed Calvin will put up better numbers than him when all is said and done

  18. shaunymac424 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:32 PM

    Isn’t this the same guy who praised Mike Williams and Charles Rogers coming out of college?

    Apparently Cris Carter wouldn’t know a good receiver from a hole in the ground.

  19. losunderdogs says: Aug 12, 2011 7:33 PM

    like seriously desean jackson? all he is is a speed guy smh

  20. edmazeing1 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:33 PM

    LMAO tecmo Bowl!!!

  21. mwcarolina says: Aug 12, 2011 7:35 PM

    HAVE to disagree with Chris Carter. i think Johnson is better than Wayne and Jennings and gives White and Jackson a run for their money.

  22. gregm5s7 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:37 PM

    Brandon Marshall was elite…then he went to Miami. QB’s do matter. Calvin Johnson billed himself coming out as TO without the attitude, I think that’s pretty correct. Carter has been to the superbowl, Megatron is on the team that went 0-16 a few years ago

  23. petehemlock says: Aug 12, 2011 7:39 PM

    CC was a little off base in criticizing Osi too. It has me wondering whether some espn editor tells him – and others – to take a contrarian stance for the sake of getting a rise out of us. There might be some validity in what he’s saying but it’s way exaggerated at best.

  24. melonnhead says: Aug 12, 2011 7:42 PM

    Chris Carter is only bearable due to the fact he’s not Michael Irvin.


    Damn skippy. Irvin was a great big-game performer. Carter… not so much.

  25. lilrob10201 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:43 PM

    Chris Carter is just mad because he did not make the H.O.F this season.

  26. sieg1234 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:44 PM

    Carter is a damn idiot to even think about saying this, the fact he did means he should not be allowed to speak his opinion on football for quite some time. How ignorant can he be? He listed DESEAN JACKSON as elite? Hahahhahahahahahah. Cris, just because you could play a bit (and you were VASTLY overrated) doesn’t mean you have any idea what you’re talking about. If so then wouldn’t all the greats be great coaches, GM’s, etc? Ehhh that hasn’t been the case now has it? Just shut up. Calvin Johnson is a top 5 WR in the game, HANDS DOWN.

  27. philyeagles5 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:44 PM

    play4blood says:
    Aug 12, 2011 7:25 PM
    Chris Carter is only bearable due to the fact he’s not Michael Irvin.
    if i could give this 100 thumbs up i would lol

  28. tiffpats4eva says: Aug 12, 2011 7:44 PM

    Cris Carter is A tool. He also said Deon Branch wouldn’t make any difference on the Patriots.

    I’d take Calvin Johnson on my team.

  29. offsideburns says: Aug 12, 2011 7:45 PM

    i dont care what he says, but i love the motivation it will give MEGATRON

  30. 808raiderinparadise says: Aug 12, 2011 7:45 PM

    Me, me, me, me … I. I, I, I, in my day, when i played, i did this, i did that.

    This guy needs to be an analyst not a historian. Nobody cares about Chris Carter.

    Tim Brown was far better than you, with far worse QB’s and he would never say that outloud. ( 9 straight 1,000 yard seasons!!!!????) 147 GAMES WITH 2 CATCHES OR MORE!? most consecutive starts? tim brown. and he keeps his mouth shut and doesnt throw anyone under the bus.

    If calvin johnson is a video game than your a black & white TV.

  31. honolulubluekoolaid says: Aug 12, 2011 7:46 PM

    No one can cover megatron one on one when stafford is under center.

  32. eaglesdynasty says: Aug 12, 2011 7:47 PM

    keep jabber-jawing Carter….CJ will quietly go about his business and before you know you’ll be watching him enter canton and you’ll still be blacklisted for being a pompous douche

  33. andyreidisfat says: Aug 12, 2011 7:48 PM

    Yes i think i will go with a hack internet writer and a bunch of posters on said hacks site over a guy who watches tape daily and was a what 8 time pro bowl WR.

    Besides this is another example of this site not reporting the whole truth. Carter at no point said C. Johnson wasn’t good. He just said as of right now in his opinion that Johnson wasn’t elite YET.
    I also agree with Carter about the QB thing.

    You list off Carters Qb’s as if they were all in their prime when he played with them. Except the truth is none of them were. In fact all of them were over the hill by the time Carter had these guys and none of them were any better than what megatron had. The truth is having Carter and Moss as Wr’s made these QB’s look decent. And Dante was whata rookie when Carter played with him.

    you can say what you want about Carters attitude and i tend to agree he is a bit of D$%k, that being said he is also a pretty good judge of talent at the WR position.

    These guys break down the coaches tape everyday. None of us get to do that including the hack who writes this site. Perhaps C Johnson doesn’t run very good routes, which is true. And as far as someone beat reporter saying he was double teamed, I have seen about 10 of his games and have not seen him double teamed once. In fact in the games i have seen in half of them he was invisable.

    I like Megatron and i think he is well on his way to becoming great. I think works pretty hard but still makes to many mental mistakes. And I agree with Carter that Johnson is is in the second tier of WR’s. That doesn’t mean after this season he won’t be the best because he can be. But as Carter said this ranking isn’t about what a guy can be by the end of the year, its what he is right now.

    I think Megatron is right their with Boldin, V. Jackson, D. Bowe, Nicks, Maclin, Austin, B Marshall, mike Wallace.

    The thing i did not agree with was when he said S. Holmes is better than Johnson. S. Holmes is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL. Holmes has played in 5 seasons and only had ONE year where he caught more than 55 balls. Only ONE year where he caught more than 942 yrds. And he has never had more than 8 TD’s in a season. These are NOT the numbers of a GREAT WR. The media has made this guy into something he is not because of ONE great catch in a super bowl. The guy is average at best and one joint away from a season long suspension. I am so sick of hearing how good this guy is when he simply is not. And now that he is truly the number one in NY we will all see how bad he really is. No one is going to shade coverage to Plax’s side of the field, if he ever gets on the field.

    Lions fans shouldn’t be upset, Johnson is a number 1, he is just not in the top tier. My guess is by the end of this season he will be. I think having another WR now in the Boise kid will help Calvin. I think he might score less because they have other targets now but i think it will make him a better player.

  34. raider8er says: Aug 12, 2011 7:49 PM

    Anybody who rips Cris Carter but still can’t spell his name correctly is instantly invalidated.

  35. gbaird25 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:50 PM

    All these ex-jocks on ESPN have one go to comment, and it’s this: “I watch the tape.” Blah. Blah. Blah.

    Football fans have never had more resources to accurately asses who great and who is average. We have Sunday Ticket, RedZone, the replays on NFL Network that run all week, we have ten different camera angles to watch replays, and advanced stats and metrics. WE can watch and make our own assessment as to who can ball.

    If one of these talking dopes like CC or Dilfer say, “well…harf, harf, harf, I watch the tape,” do yourselves a favor and tune it out or turn the channel.

    Calvin Johnson is a terrific receiver.

  36. thekingdp says: Aug 12, 2011 7:51 PM

    Everyone should have stopped listening when he said Desean Jackson and elite receiver in the same sentence. This is coming from an Eagles fan. Jackson is master of the “throw it as far as you can, I’ll run under it” trick, but the “go over the middle” and “run good routes & catch routine passes” tricks he hasn’t quite learned yet in his career. Elite athlete, not an elite receiver.

    Besides, Chris Carter is an idiot. Calvin Johnson is a monster disguised as a wide receiver.

  37. christopher525 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:52 PM

    Ok, trade ANY of the guys he listed (aside from Fitz) with Calvin Johnson, then see what happens. Seriously, Manning would have at LEAST 3 rings by now and a HELL of a lot closer to every record than he is already. This is from a Panthrs fan, who couldn’t care less about the Lions, and an DAY fan who hated this man in college.

  38. radrntn says: Aug 12, 2011 7:52 PM

    enough said…now take your foot out of your mouth., kris karter

  39. garyln7 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:52 PM

    Chris Carter is a jerk. Arrogant tool.

  40. dench81 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:53 PM

    i dislike cris carter but i couldnt agree more im so tired of people saying he plays in detroit hes not as great as everyone says he is. without a doubt one of the most overrated players in the NFL

  41. tiffpats4eva says: Aug 12, 2011 7:53 PM


    Who gives a c h it how you spell his name?

    He isn’t in the HOF.

  42. melonnhead says: Aug 12, 2011 7:55 PM

    Well let’s see here.

    Calvin Johnson first 60 games = 270 catches, 4191 yards, 33 TDs

    Cris Carter first 73 games = 182 catches, 2825 yards, 27 TDs

    And I don’t want to hear about how carter was a crackhead, that’s nobody’s fault but his own.

  43. southridge23 says: Aug 12, 2011 7:59 PM


    Thank you for your essay submission.

    Could you please explain to me if things would be different if CJ had someone decent throwing him the ball? every single receiver mentioned in this hacks post and your comment, with the exception of Brandon Marshall, all have top 10 qbs throwing them the ball.

  44. cardmagnet says: Aug 12, 2011 7:59 PM

    Can somebody please let Cris Carter know that Calvin Johnson’s numbers are superior to Cris Carter’s at this point in their respective careers?

    I broke down the stats, Cris. The stats don’t lie.

  45. duanethomas says: Aug 12, 2011 8:01 PM

    Chris Carter is protecting his boys who workout with him and kisses his ring in the summer. Calvin Johnson doesn’t do that and Carter is a blowhard.

  46. ch53es4 says: Aug 12, 2011 8:03 PM

    Chris Carter is good at football. Not at analyzing WR’s

  47. tfbuckfutter says: Aug 12, 2011 8:05 PM

    Cris Carter is great in football but not in having a head equipped with proportional features.

  48. tfbuckfutter says: Aug 12, 2011 8:05 PM

    duanethomas says: Aug 12, 2011 8:01 PM
    Chris Carter is protecting his boys who workout with him and kisses his ring in the summer. Calvin Johnson doesn’t do that and Carter is a blowhard.

    Cris Carter has no rings.

  49. kinggw says: Aug 12, 2011 8:05 PM

    I used to like Cris Carter, before he got a job as an analyst and became a huge prick. He is the perfect reason why I wish networks would cut down on the amount of former players in the booth. They are egotistical jerks whose analysis always includes a reference to when they were playing. Between him and Harrison I dont know whose worse.

  50. isphet71 says: Aug 12, 2011 8:08 PM

    Hey Chris, ask Leon Hall how easy it is to cover Calvin one-on-one.

  51. shadowgm1 says: Aug 12, 2011 8:08 PM

    Wipe your nose, Chrissy.

    Carter an evaluator of talent? playing in a pass happy system and with a wealth of top WR’s during his glory years does not give him a brain when it comes to evaluating players. He’s not in the Hall because he was a secondary option for the best years of his career, and inflated by Denny’s pass-travaganza of an offense.

    Keep taking it out on today’s top players though. I’d like to ask Greenberg why he is asking this floating has-been what he thinks. It’s like he shows up at Bristol every morning and asks everyone as they enter if they need a filler on their show.

  52. simalex says: Aug 12, 2011 8:09 PM

    Maybe I can feed this analysis to the other owners in my fantasy league so they can pass on him for another round or two. Yeah, that Calvin Johnson, what an underachiever… jesus…

  53. FinFan68 says: Aug 12, 2011 8:11 PM

    Carter was a great receiver and deserving of HoF, but the garbage like this that spews from his mouth is one of several reasons he has been passed by. Any casual fan can look at game film of Calvin Johnson and determine that he is in the top echelon of NFL receivers in the game today.

  54. ICDogg says: Aug 12, 2011 8:11 PM

    Tecmo Bowl? I got QB_EAGLES.

  55. simalex says: Aug 12, 2011 8:12 PM

    One other area where DeSean Jackson surpasses Calvin Johnson is in the “whining about my contract” skill set, where DeSean far outclasses Megatron, who basically shows up and plays ball for a consistently poor team.

  56. gosuhgo says: Aug 12, 2011 8:14 PM

    Im at the game right now and the megatron td catch would like to disagree with this article.

  57. sdw2001 says: Aug 12, 2011 8:22 PM

    Tecmo bowl? WTF?

  58. brianbowman16 says: Aug 12, 2011 8:25 PM

    How in the blue-est of blue hells do you put Desean Jackson ahead of Megatron on ANY list of top wide recievers???? DJ had SIX drops last year when there was NOBODY around him! F’N SIX!!!! I would like Chris ‘Master of Douch-aster’ Carter to tell me the last time Calvin had ONE of those!!!!
    Shut your stupid vag Carter, you’re old and busted and bitter as hell that Megatron is that new hotness

  59. asublimeday says: Aug 12, 2011 8:31 PM

    Yes, Carter. Techmo Bowl is huge nowadays.

    How old are you??

  60. eaglesdynasty says: Aug 12, 2011 8:33 PM


    Desean has earned a raise, its funny anytime a player uses any kind of leverage to try to brocker a deal hes a “cancer” and “diva”…..Desean is on his rookie deal, hes earned a big raise and a NFL career can be over at any point. Any smart person would do the same in Desean’s situation.
    NFL teams can cut players at any time and contracts are not guaranteed…..such a double standard

    Plus Desean held out to an extent, hes now back, he still wants a deal but hes said publicly hes not going to cause any issues, is dedicated to the Eagles and will do everything he can to help us win.

    Asking for a raise from a 2nd round rookie contract after two pro bowl seasons isnt being classless—-its being SMART.

    Yea, Desean far outplayed his base deal, used a rational amount of leverage, never spoke badly about the team or coaches and came back ready to play even without a new deal. OH NO—-HEs THE NEXT T.O…….except he’ll be dancing in the endzone instead of doing situps in his driveway

  61. bird3312 says: Aug 12, 2011 8:41 PM

    I love CC , live in Mpls and have owned his “real” Vikings jersey for years and wear it to every home and away game I go to but he’s sounding a little bitter and jealous talking about Johnson. He’s truly one of the elite in the BFL even without a stud QB. End of story.

  62. bamalion3 says: Aug 12, 2011 8:41 PM

    Calvin Johnson will make it into the Hall before you do Chris.

  63. jp says: Aug 12, 2011 8:45 PM

    Maybe Cris is jealous his madden rating isn’t as high as Calvin’s

  64. prplpuzzetrz says: Aug 12, 2011 8:50 PM

    Die hard Viking fan here!!!!
    Loved watching Chris Carter play, but dude! You are embaressing yourself!!!!! You obviously have a personal issue with Calvin, there is no other way to explain it!
    Im totally glad you were passed on the HOF, humble yourself, then maybe you will get the votes! Shame on u

  65. fluffy19 says: Aug 12, 2011 8:51 PM


    You’re a fool. Mn’s offense was not pass happy during carter’s career. At least 3 seperate rushers had 1000 yd seasons while he played (terry allen, r. smith, michael bennett) and aside from Cunningham in 98 and maybe a young culpepper (although daunte peaked after carter left) he had very poor qb play. At best you could have called the system power running – vertical passing but I think that’s even more of a testiment to carter since he did his work on short/intermediate routes. Also, name one big time reciever he played with other than moss for the last few years he was in mn. I’m a life long Vikes fan and I can’t remember (jake reed, chris walsh, etc). Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like the guy on tv, but people, he’s just doing what he’s payed to do…give his opinion and stir up controversy. Talk smack about his opinions, but don’t prove how foolish you are by spewing blatant lies about his playing career. To this day there’s never been a reciever who had better body control near the sidelines than C. Carter. If he and Moss aren’t HOF material then we should just shut down Canton right now. There’s a long list of a-holes with busts in Canton. I don’t think we should start taking personality into account now.

    And for all of you talking about how he’s jealous, isn’t he giving love to several other young receivers? Why is he just jealous of Megatron? Stupid.

  66. sean1129 says: Aug 12, 2011 8:57 PM

    So according to Chris Carter, Calvin Johnson=Bob Nelson???

  67. halo81 says: Aug 12, 2011 8:59 PM

    Anyone I know that has met Cris Carter, which isn’t 1,000 people, but is well over 100, says he is a complete jerk in person. It seems he continues to prove that on-air as well.

    I’m an Eagles fan and objectively, I’d take those receivers in this order at their current ages:

    1. Andre Johnson
    2. Larry Fitzgerald
    3. Calvin Johnson
    4. Roddy White
    5. DeSean Jackson
    6. Greg Jennings
    7. Reggie Wayne

    That’s not a knock on Jennings, I loved him in college even … his production is just up and down. Wayne is just getting to the twilight of his career.

    Andre, Larry and Calvin are essentially 1a, 1b and 1c.

    Cris is crazy.

  68. mossholder says: Aug 12, 2011 9:04 PM

    As a packer fan i’ve had the pleasure to watch Johnson play twice a year when he’s healthy and he’s always been a headache to watch. Calvin Johnson will be the best receiver in the league if Stafford stays healthy.

    I wish the Lions well. Also as a Cubs fan I understand the kind of agony they have endured over the last 15 years. I hope they finish second (pack first) and I hope Johnson has a huge year but just gets the flu on Thanksgiving.

  69. oldhamletman says: Aug 12, 2011 9:10 PM

    all I remember about Cris is him coming on the phins in 02 when they were pushing for first in the last few games….

    and Fiedler hitting him on the hands at the goal from the 6 and Cris dropping it like a HOF jacket….

  70. balzosteel says: Aug 12, 2011 9:23 PM

    Christina Carter needs a mouth shut. Calvin Johnson is a top 3 WR without ANY question in my mind – easily.

    Man, imagine being a Vikings fan……their two best players in their franchise history not named Tarkenton are Randy Moss and Cris Carter; Two of the douchiest NFL personas on the planet!

  71. ademell1 says: Aug 12, 2011 9:27 PM

    Chris Carter is an unprofessional, unforgiving, POS analyst. I’m sorry.

    If any1 saw how he reacted to the Raiders Darrius Heyward-Bey pick, and then how ESPN brought him on for an interview and Carter was making jokes in the background about him.

    It’s not DHB he was drafted too high, but you know what? DHB might be pretty good this yr.

    But that’s NOT my point. My point is that Carter has no class, and perhaps that’s why…he hasn’t made the best one which gets inducted every year.

    I REALLY hope Tim Brown goes into the HOF b4 this a$$hole. The comments he makes in the past and now here about C. Johnson – show that he either thinks a little too much of himself, or he’s a LITTLE stupid when it comes to being a professional football analyst.

    Actually…I think it’s both.

  72. ademell1 says: Aug 12, 2011 9:31 PM

    It’s not DHB’s fault he was drafted high* – but that gives Carter and every other analyst NO excuse to crack jokes in that manner.

    You know what’s a joke? That ppl watch ESPN’s nfl shows over the professional, spiced up and knowledgeable analysis, news and debate NFLN has to offer.

  73. edukator4 says: Aug 12, 2011 9:38 PM

    i know holmes isnt better than johnson and neither is desean. i am inferring you believe he is based on you ommission of jackson from your second tier of wrs.
    first your opinion of holmes is laughable because he has basically the same stats as jackson. those 942 yards (not his best season) are 200 yards less than jacksons best year. divide that based on games, that equals something like 15 more yards a game.. not a big deal. maybe he would get those yards if he didnt have 2 sb rings weighing his hands down. holmes is a big game player who makes clutch catches, jackson has a larger ceiling but until he hits it holmes is the better player.
    and if you really think jackson is better than johnson than youre a homer, and/or you dont watch enough football besides your eagles

  74. backuppunter says: Aug 12, 2011 9:53 PM

    I was listening to the radio, it’s not like he said he wasn’t good he just said he wasn’t one of the top 5. I would hesitate to argue with him on that. He also implied that johnson could become one of the greatest ever so i really can’t argue

  75. t16rich says: Aug 12, 2011 9:57 PM

    Is he back in Philly snorting coke? Is he serious?

  76. chobes68 says: Aug 12, 2011 10:07 PM

    “And VJax is gonna be a force this year.”


    Isn’t this the third year in a row we’re hearing this?

  77. sws222 says: Aug 12, 2011 10:13 PM

    Cris Carter? Cris Carter???? What a whiny, jealous, no-talent (on-air) non-HOF, unintelligent, blowhard, overrated, douche! You are as jealous as a junior high school kid who’s girlfriend is going to the dance with another guy! Do us all a favor and shut your pie-hole. I guarantee CJ will
    shut it for you, but with his performance, with a little thing called CLASS…not absurd jealous rants!

  78. fb1979 says: Aug 12, 2011 10:13 PM

    i didnt know chris was drinking again….

  79. mataug says: Aug 12, 2011 10:17 PM

    99 out of 100 times I will pick Calvin to be my WR over Jackson. The 1 time Jackson will be included is if my team’s facing the NY Giants punt team.

  80. sieg1234 says: Aug 12, 2011 10:17 PM

    @ fluffy 19

    He is there to stir up controversy, but do it in an intelligent manner. Saying Calvin Johnson isn’t elite, while naming 7 others that are – 2 of which are not even remotely close to being on CJ’s caliber – is absolutely ignorant. His reasoning? He watched the game tape. Umm…why don’t you tell what was ON that game tape? Is a he poor route runner? Does he have unsure hands? Is he limited in his abilities, maybe doesn’t run the out, the post, or some other pattern very well? The burden of proof is on him b/c the stats do not lie, especially considering everything else (like the fact most of his help is pretty piss poor, except Staff who is constantly hurt so far). CJ is a top 5 WR, and could easily be argued that he is top 3 and maybe the best. Again, maybe. But to say Greg Jennings and ESPECIALLY Desean Jackson is better than CJ? That’s asinine and he deserves every bit of criticism he is getting. Desean has unsure hands, can’t run across the middle, is not a good route runner, etc…he is extremely explosive and has a knack for getting behind the safeties and going deep but that does not make you a great receiver. Again, just because he was very good at his position doesn’t mean that he is a great or even decent talent evaluator at that position. Look at the great “minds” of the game, most of them could barely put on pads, the others came natural and through tireless work…but the genius’ of the game typically just studied completely different aspects, had high football IQ’s, etc…Carter obviously is not one of those people.

  81. MichaelEdits says: Aug 12, 2011 10:19 PM

    Thrash and Stinkston are the best!

  82. dwatkins69 says: Aug 12, 2011 10:28 PM

    Is Carter back on the sauce?

  83. conjecture101 says: Aug 12, 2011 10:35 PM

    tecmo bowl lol. Welcome to the 90’s Cris.

  84. rajbais says: Aug 12, 2011 10:41 PM

    Well … Cris Carter is great with duct tape, not with his mouth open!!!

  85. pkswally024 says: Aug 12, 2011 11:41 PM

    I’m not saying D Jax is better than Johnson. Not the case. But I dont understand why there is so much hate for the man on this board. Check the numbers, it’s that simple.

  86. fluffy19 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:09 AM


    I wasn’t once arguing that CC was right. I was arguing the mook trying to say that Carte played in a “pass happy” system with high end reciever talent his whole career. His best year was with J. Reed and Quadry Ismail next to him. I was also referring to the people who think we should all of a sudden revoke Canton rights for someone cuz they’re a jerk in real life or an idiot on the air. Hello? Isn’t O.J. still in Canton? I hate to break it to you guys, but most pro athletes are self-absorbed a-holes.

    As for CC’s take on Megatron…let me be clear, he was an idiot like he usually is. But at the same time, I don’t understand why people hate on his OPINION like he just slapped Calvin in the face. Who cares. It’s a dumb opinion but he’s entitled to it, that’s all. I’ve never once cared for CC on the air. He’s a blow hard.

  87. fluffy19 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:33 AM

    Give me David Fulcher in “excellent” and you can have QB Eagles!

  88. truthserum4u says: Aug 13, 2011 2:07 AM

    melonnhead says:
    Aug 12, 2011 7:55 PM

    Well let’s see here.

    Calvin Johnson first 60 games = 270 catches, 4191 yards, 33 TDs

    Cris Carter first 73 games = 182 catches, 2825 yards, 27 TDs

    cardmagnet says:
    Aug 12, 2011 7:59 PM

    Can somebody please let Cris Carter know that Calvin Johnson’s numbers are superior to Cris Carter’s at this point in their respective careers?

    I broke down the stats, Cris. The stats don’t lie.


    So what?

    The only way this is relevant to the story is if you have evidence Carter claimed he was an elite receiver at the same point in his career. Carter didn’t become elite until later in his career, which is what he said Johnson can also do.

    Those of you thinking Carter is jealous need to look up his stats and come back to reality. However, this wouldn’t be the first time Carter has made critical comments about a player with the intent of challenging the player to be even better.

    Personally I would put Calvin @ #3.


    bamalion3 says:
    Aug 12, 2011 8:41 PM

    Calvin Johnson will make it into the Hall before you do Chris.


    You foolish enough to bet a year’s salary on that?

  89. jmacphee9 says: Aug 13, 2011 2:28 AM

    razsan says:
    Aug 12, 2011 7:25 PM

    If NFL execs were picking it would be a toss up between the 2 Johnsons and Fitzgerald.

    ill admit im a lions die-hard, but i would be willing to bet that at least 50% of NFL GMs would choose calvin johnson if they were given the choice of one single receiver in the nfl, if not much more..and yes i know andre is a beast too, as is fitzgerald, but CJs phsyical ability is unmatched in the NFL.

  90. jmacphee9 says: Aug 13, 2011 2:30 AM

    and desean jackson led the nfl in drops for receivers with a certain amount of targets, and has never caught over 60% of his passes in his career…cris carter fail.

  91. shadowgm1 says: Aug 13, 2011 2:53 AM

    @ fluffy19

    “You’re a fool. Mn’s offense was not pass happy during carter’s career.”

    Oh, where do I begin? With QB’s such as Warren Moon, Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, Jeff George and Daunte Culpepper at the helm of Denny’s offenses – in 1994 they threw for 409 team rec’s for 4,570 yards; in 1995 they threw for 402 rec’s for 4,500 yards; 1996 was 331 rec’s for 3,899 yards; 1997 was 319 rec’s for 3,537 yards; 1998 was 327 rec’s for 4,492 yards; 1999 was 316 rec’s for 4,318 yards; 2000 was 307 rec’s for 4,019 yards; and finally 2001 was 335 rec’s for 3,894 yards. Yes, his first two seasons were under old-school run first coach Jerry Burns, but he never became a recognized player until his role in Green’s offense in 1992.

    “…aside from Cunningham in 98 and maybe a young culpepper (although daunte peaked after carter left) he had very poor qb play.”

    His QB’s were: Wade Wilson, Rich Gannon, Sean Salisbury, Jim McMahon, Warren Moon, Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, Jeff George and Daunte Culpepper. These were Pro-Bowlers and two of these men were Super Bowl champions. Salisbury played a bit during two of Carter’s best statistical years, before someone tries to find an out by beating that drum. Your assertion above is dead wrong.

    “Also, name one big time reciever he played with other than moss for the last few years he was in mn. I’m a life long Vikes fan and I can’t remember (jake reed, chris walsh, etc).”

    Life long Vikes fan…and you couldn’t remember players like A.C. (Anthony Carter), TE Steve Jordan, Hassan Jones, Qadry Ismail, or Jake Reed? All but Jones and Ismail were PRO BOWL RECEIVERS. I find it humorous that you mention Chris Walsh, because in the three or four seasons they played together, he never got above 20 receptions (not above 12 in five of those).

    “To this day there’s never been a reciever who had better body control near the sidelines than C. Carter. If he and Moss aren’t HOF material then we should just shut down Canton right now.”

    Carter essentially assumed a “chain mover” position (and essentially ended Steve Jordan’s career in Minnesota) in these offenses – a la Hines Ward – with high receptions totals and lower yardage figures. I have no doubt that Moss will be in Canton in year one (no longer than year 2), but Carter has a longer road to hoe. He wasn’t a game changer. My point above was that he’s a bit high and mighty about how his opinion matters because of his overinflated ego and belief that he is in a position to judge today’s best. Period.

    “Talk smack about his opinions, but don’t prove how foolish you are by spewing blatant lies about his playing career.”

    I think I just outlined to you in several different ways how my assessment is correct in my eyes (and many others), and flawed from your cloudy points of bittersweet reference.

  92. tecmomike64 says: Aug 13, 2011 2:56 AM

    Down! Set! Hut Hut Hut Hut Hut Hut…………….

  93. shadowgm1 says: Aug 13, 2011 2:59 AM

    “I find it humorous that you mention Chris Walsh, because in the three or four seasons they played together, he never got above 20 receptions (not above 12 in five of those).”

    It was six seasons he played on roster with Cris Carter. He didn’t get above 12 receptions in five of the six seasons he played.

  94. walkinginthewasteland says: Aug 13, 2011 6:11 AM

    play4blood says: Aug 12, 2011 7:25 PM

    Chris Carter is only bearable due to the fact he’s not Michael Irvin or Deion Sanders.



  95. walkinginthewasteland says: Aug 13, 2011 6:18 AM


    NFL teams can cut players at any time and contracts are not guaranteed…..such a double standard


    The sooner you stop posting that, the sooner you will have a clue.

    1) The players get guaranteed money, its called a signing bonus. And for C2, C3 contracts, it takes up a huge amount of the contract, often more than half.

    2) Guaranteed contracts are crap, they are why the NBA is on strike, and they are what sucks about baseball. They are the wort concept in professional athletics, ever. If you suck, or cant play, or the team made a mistake the team should be able to drop your ass. Injured players in the NFL get money for the year they are injured. They dont get free money for the rest of their contract, which they can’t play out.

  96. brizz5606 says: Aug 13, 2011 7:30 AM

    I disagree with this report, the laundry list of bad qb’s Carter played with are equivalent to that of Calvin Johnson. A top flight reciever will make there Qb’s look better

  97. bcar1023 says: Aug 13, 2011 8:59 AM

    @andyreidisfat – are you blind or did you mistake a Twins v Tigers game for a Vikings v Lions game? Calvin not double teamed? Are you sure that you know which receiver you were watching? There is another Johnson by the first name of Bryant that you probably saw single covered but that’s because he couldn’t catch cold in a freezer. Quit being such a homer. Playing the game does not make Carter a analyst and I guatantee you that the tool doesn’t break down tape in his off time.

  98. itsmebobd says: Aug 13, 2011 10:24 AM

    ROFL REALLY CRIS CARTER? I will say it, because it was my first reaction when reading this in my email before I read anyone elses comments. I think that Cris Carter is an idiot, he was NEVER great. That fool has been over rated, and for him to talk bad about calvin johnson, one of the leagues BEST young receivers is ridiculous. Calvin is the only REAL receiver on that team and gets doubled covered all the time and still puts up big numbers.

  99. nikkodawg says: Aug 13, 2011 10:49 AM

    Desean Jackson is not close to be as good as Johnson or the other receivers listed.

    Not even close!!

  100. mhitmanc109 says: Aug 13, 2011 2:56 PM

    Chris is an idiot here. Not only for leaving Calvin out of the top 6 but more importantly to say that QBs don’t matter. If QBs don’t make a difference for WRs than why do teams draft them #1 year in and year out? Why are they the highest paid players? If it makes no difference whether Peyton Manning is throwing to you or Drew Stanton/Dan Orlovsky like Carter is saying then I guess the Colts don’t need Manning. So him saying it isn’t beneficial to have a better QB is the most absurd thing I’ve ever read.

    And BTW Cris, you bragged about making a Pro Bowl with Jeff George, well Johnson not only made a Pro Bowl with Drew freakin Stanton and Shaun Hill throwing to him he also was 2nd team all pro. So it’s not like Johnson isn’t performing, the thing is he is performing with far inferior players throwing to him.

  101. fluffy19 says: Aug 13, 2011 2:58 PM


    I guess I’m not as high on washed up Qb’s (Cunningham, Moon, McMahon, George) or pre-prime QB’s (Gannon, Culpepper, Johnson) or no talent hacks (Wilson, Salsbury). Nor am I as impressed by Quadry Ismail or Jake Reed or a past his prime A.C. or Steve Jordan. I didn’t forget A.C and Steve Jordan, they just didn’t play together in their primes with CC. To imply that this talent was so amazing that he SHOULD have put up those numbers is absurd. CC retired #2 in receptions and TD’s behind Jerry Rice (who by the way, is just as pompous an ass as CC) and you can’t even remotely compare the talent they each had around them.

    I’ll concede that the offense was more pass happy statistically than I remember…but not that much. 96 & 97’s passing totals were 8th and 14th in the league respectively. That said, during 94 and 95 he was hardly a secondary option. You don’t wind up #2 in TD’s and Rec’s and #4 in Rec Yds all time by being a number 2 option.

    My point is this: What does the system he played in or the opinions he now spews forth have to do with his career accomplishments or his eligibilty for the HOF?

    If you honestly think he played with a “Wealth of talented receivers” I think you’re a far worse evaluator of talent than CC. Aside from Moss, the best reciever he played next to was Jake Reed. Jake Reed. Jake “Stone Hands” Reed.

    Also, don’t rip Chris Walsh, he was a special teams stud!

    CC should not be on TV, but he should be in the HOF.

  102. granadafan says: Sep 30, 2011 3:50 PM

    Carter is fast joining Tiki in the camp that make it very hard to cheer for them to be in the Hall of Fame. Everytime he brags about himself or makes inept observations, you just want to reach into the TV and strangle him.

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