I guess I’m not as high on washed up Qb’s (Cunningham, Moon, McMahon, George) or pre-prime QB’s (Gannon, Culpepper, Johnson) or no talent hacks (Wilson, Salsbury). Nor am I as impressed by Quadry Ismail or Jake Reed or a past his prime A.C. or Steve Jordan. I didn’t forget A.C and Steve Jordan, they just didn’t play together in their primes with CC. To imply that this talent was so amazing that he SHOULD have put up those numbers is absurd. CC retired #2 in receptions and TD’s behind Jerry Rice (who by the way, is just as pompous an ass as CC) and you can’t even remotely compare the talent they each had around them.

I’ll concede that the offense was more pass happy statistically than I remember…but not that much. 96 & 97′s passing totals were 8th and 14th in the league respectively. That said, during 94 and 95 he was hardly a secondary option. You don’t wind up #2 in TD’s and Rec’s and #4 in Rec Yds all time by being a number 2 option.

My point is this: What does the system he played in or the opinions he now spews forth have to do with his career accomplishments or his eligibilty for the HOF?

If you honestly think he played with a “Wealth of talented receivers” I think you’re a far worse evaluator of talent than CC. Aside from Moss, the best reciever he played next to was Jake Reed. Jake Reed. Jake “Stone Hands” Reed.

Also, don’t rip Chris Walsh, he was a special teams stud!

CC should not be on TV, but he should be in the HOF.

And BTW Cris, you bragged about making a Pro Bowl with Jeff George, well Johnson not only made a Pro Bowl with Drew freakin Stanton and Shaun Hill throwing to him he also was 2nd team all pro. So it’s not like Johnson isn’t performing, the thing is he is performing with far inferior players throwing to him.

Not even close!!

NFL teams can cut players at any time and contracts are not guaranteed…..such a double standard

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The sooner you stop posting that, the sooner you will have a clue.

1) The players get guaranteed money, its called a signing bonus. And for C2, C3 contracts, it takes up a huge amount of the contract, often more than half.

2) Guaranteed contracts are crap, they are why the NBA is on strike, and they are what sucks about baseball. They are the wort concept in professional athletics, ever. If you suck, or cant play, or the team made a mistake the team should be able to drop your ass. Injured players in the NFL get money for the year they are injured. They dont get free money for the rest of their contract, which they can’t play out.

Chris Carter is only bearable due to the fact he’s not Michael Irvin or Deion Sanders.

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It was six seasons he played on roster with Cris Carter. He didn’t get above 12 receptions in five of the six seasons he played.

“You’re a fool. Mn’s offense was not pass happy during carter’s career.”

Oh, where do I begin? With QB’s such as Warren Moon, Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, Jeff George and Daunte Culpepper at the helm of Denny’s offenses – in 1994 they threw for 409 team rec’s for 4,570 yards; in 1995 they threw for 402 rec’s for 4,500 yards; 1996 was 331 rec’s for 3,899 yards; 1997 was 319 rec’s for 3,537 yards; 1998 was 327 rec’s for 4,492 yards; 1999 was 316 rec’s for 4,318 yards; 2000 was 307 rec’s for 4,019 yards; and finally 2001 was 335 rec’s for 3,894 yards. Yes, his first two seasons were under old-school run first coach Jerry Burns, but he never became a recognized player until his role in Green’s offense in 1992.

“…aside from Cunningham in 98 and maybe a young culpepper (although daunte peaked after carter left) he had very poor qb play.”

His QB’s were: Wade Wilson, Rich Gannon, Sean Salisbury, Jim McMahon, Warren Moon, Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, Jeff George and Daunte Culpepper. These were Pro-Bowlers and two of these men were Super Bowl champions. Salisbury played a bit during two of Carter’s best statistical years, before someone tries to find an out by beating that drum. Your assertion above is dead wrong.

“Also, name one big time reciever he played with other than moss for the last few years he was in mn. I’m a life long Vikes fan and I can’t remember (jake reed, chris walsh, etc).”

Life long Vikes fan…and you couldn’t remember players like A.C. (Anthony Carter), TE Steve Jordan, Hassan Jones, Qadry Ismail, or Jake Reed? All but Jones and Ismail were PRO BOWL RECEIVERS. I find it humorous that you mention Chris Walsh, because in the three or four seasons they played together, he never got above 20 receptions (not above 12 in five of those).

“To this day there’s never been a reciever who had better body control near the sidelines than C. Carter. If he and Moss aren’t HOF material then we should just shut down Canton right now.”

Carter essentially assumed a “chain mover” position (and essentially ended Steve Jordan’s career in Minnesota) in these offenses – a la Hines Ward – with high receptions totals and lower yardage figures. I have no doubt that Moss will be in Canton in year one (no longer than year 2), but Carter has a longer road to hoe. He wasn’t a game changer. My point above was that he’s a bit high and mighty about how his opinion matters because of his overinflated ego and belief that he is in a position to judge today’s best. Period.

“Talk smack about his opinions, but don’t prove how foolish you are by spewing blatant lies about his playing career.”

I think I just outlined to you in several different ways how my assessment is correct in my eyes (and many others), and flawed from your cloudy points of bittersweet reference.

If NFL execs were picking it would be a toss up between the 2 Johnsons and Fitzgerald.

ill admit im a lions die-hard, but i would be willing to bet that at least 50% of NFL GMs would choose calvin johnson if they were given the choice of one single receiver in the nfl, if not much more..and yes i know andre is a beast too, as is fitzgerald, but CJs phsyical ability is unmatched in the NFL.

Well let’s see here.

Calvin Johnson first 60 games = 270 catches, 4191 yards, 33 TDs

Cris Carter first 73 games = 182 catches, 2825 yards, 27 TDs

cardmagnet says:
Aug 12, 2011 7:59 PM

Can somebody please let Cris Carter know that Calvin Johnson’s numbers are superior to Cris Carter’s at this point in their respective careers?

I broke down the stats, Cris. The stats don’t lie.

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So what?

The only way this is relevant to the story is if you have evidence Carter claimed he was an elite receiver at the same point in his career. Carter didn’t become elite until later in his career, which is what he said Johnson can also do.

Those of you thinking Carter is jealous need to look up his stats and come back to reality. However, this wouldn’t be the first time Carter has made critical comments about a player with the intent of challenging the player to be even better.

Personally I would put Calvin @ #3.

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bamalion3 says:
Aug 12, 2011 8:41 PM

Calvin Johnson will make it into the Hall before you do Chris.

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You foolish enough to bet a year’s salary on that?

I wasn’t once arguing that CC was right. I was arguing the mook trying to say that Carte played in a “pass happy” system with high end reciever talent his whole career. His best year was with J. Reed and Quadry Ismail next to him. I was also referring to the people who think we should all of a sudden revoke Canton rights for someone cuz they’re a jerk in real life or an idiot on the air. Hello? Isn’t O.J. still in Canton? I hate to break it to you guys, but most pro athletes are self-absorbed a-holes.

As for CC’s take on Megatron…let me be clear, he was an idiot like he usually is. But at the same time, I don’t understand why people hate on his OPINION like he just slapped Calvin in the face. Who cares. It’s a dumb opinion but he’s entitled to it, that’s all. I’ve never once cared for CC on the air. He’s a blow hard.

He is there to stir up controversy, but do it in an intelligent manner. Saying Calvin Johnson isn’t elite, while naming 7 others that are – 2 of which are not even remotely close to being on CJ’s caliber – is absolutely ignorant. His reasoning? He watched the game tape. Umm…why don’t you tell what was ON that game tape? Is a he poor route runner? Does he have unsure hands? Is he limited in his abilities, maybe doesn’t run the out, the post, or some other pattern very well? The burden of proof is on him b/c the stats do not lie, especially considering everything else (like the fact most of his help is pretty piss poor, except Staff who is constantly hurt so far). CJ is a top 5 WR, and could easily be argued that he is top 3 and maybe the best. Again, maybe. But to say Greg Jennings and ESPECIALLY Desean Jackson is better than CJ? That’s asinine and he deserves every bit of criticism he is getting. Desean has unsure hands, can’t run across the middle, is not a good route runner, etc…he is extremely explosive and has a knack for getting behind the safeties and going deep but that does not make you a great receiver. Again, just because he was very good at his position doesn’t mean that he is a great or even decent talent evaluator at that position. Look at the great “minds” of the game, most of them could barely put on pads, the others came natural and through tireless work…but the genius’ of the game typically just studied completely different aspects, had high football IQ’s, etc…Carter obviously is not one of those people.

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Isn’t this the third year in a row we’re hearing this?