Skip to content

Is Ndamukong Suh a dirty player?

Chad Henne, Ndamukong Suh AP

Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh quickly developed a reputation as a great player during his rookie year. When his second year in the NFL began with Friday night’s preseason game against the Bengals, he also bolstered his burgeoning reputation as a dirty player.

Dirty is really the only word to use to describe Suh grabbing Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton by the head, knocking off his helmet and viciously slamming him to the ground. Suh got the Lions a 15-yard penalty, and he’ll also likely get fined by the league office.

It won’t be his first fine: Suh was fined $7,500 for a cheap shot on Jake Delhomme during last year’s preseason, and $15,000 for a brutal (but legal, in the eyes of some observers) hit on Jay Cutler during the regular season.

But Suh doesn’t particularly care if he gets fined. Suh got $40 million guaranteed on the contract he signed as the No. 2 pick in last year’s NFL draft, so fining him $7,500 or $15,000 is chump change. And Suh, who was called for at least four personal fouls last season, has shrugged it off in the past when asked to explain himself after drawing penalties.

It’s not my job to really worry about whether I hit a guy too hard or not,” Suh said of the hit on Delhomme. “I was just going after the ball and trying to make a play, and that’s what I’ll continue to do.”

“I want to be known as a player that plays hard at all times and is aggressive and gets after the ball and tries to help his team win,” Suh said after the hit on Cutler. “My mentality right now is, I owe it to my teammates and fans and former players and my coaches to play as hard as I can.”

Those words are music to the ears of Detroit fans, who desperately want to see some toughness on the Lions. And Suh comes across as a likable guy when dealing with fans and the media. Off the field, Suh isn’t a James Harrison who’s going to lay into Roger Goodell.

But on the field, Suh is every bit as vicious as Harrison, and if the league is serious about emphasizing player safety, it can’t have Suh repeatedly flout the rules and then shrug off the fines as simply the byproduct of trying to help his team win. Maybe it will take a Harrison-sized $75,000 fine to get Suh’s attention.

At the moment, Suh shows no signs of changing his ways: He relishes the thought that he and his fellow Lions defensive linemen will be known for their brutal play.

We want to be a feared front four,” Suh said before the Bengals game.

Suh may have already accomplished that goal. But he may have done it in part by crossing the line between tough and dirty.

Permalink 204 Comments Feed for comments Latest Stories in: Cincinnati Bengals, Detroit Lions, Rumor Mill, Sprint Football Live - Rumors, Top Stories
204 Responses to “Is Ndamukong Suh a dirty player?”
  1. zackd2 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:14 AM

    $5-15k fines is stupid. Do 5-10% and that would stop the obvious dirty hits

  2. jimmysee says: Aug 13, 2011 11:15 AM

    He could have a short career.

  3. clavette says: Aug 13, 2011 11:15 AM

    Hahahaha wait until fairley gets on the field with him. I’d give anything to have this Guy on my team. Best defensive player in the NFL. MVP for him this year

  4. justbust says: Aug 13, 2011 11:15 AM

    hes got naturally higher testosterone, its makes him extra violent.

  5. justentertainingthestupid says: Aug 13, 2011 11:15 AM

    I have no problem with that. I wish he was on my team. Go Get him Kong!

  6. mikebyrne1502 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:18 AM

    I like this kid, I wish every player played as hard as this kid, he doesn’t take breaks or plays off.

  7. grogansheroes says: Aug 13, 2011 11:18 AM

    Are the hits dirty? Perhaps a little, but he can play for my team any day. He’s aggressive, with a great motor. Being a lineman, being a little dirty is a requirement.

  8. snaponrules says: Aug 13, 2011 11:18 AM

    Yes he is a dirty player and never passes up a chance on a cheap shot.
    They only way you are going to stop guys like him and Harrison is to make them sit games out.
    Small fines to a millionaire mean nothing.

  9. joemain001 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:18 AM

    YES

  10. akismet-1c98e9c70034fe238415632a30fa1809 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:19 AM

    His helmet was because of the hit. Not dirty at all.

    The slam was a little over the top but nothing to make a fuss about. Seen it 100 times in the NFL.

    The hit on Cutler wasn’t dirty at all.

  11. zackd2 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:19 AM

    Replace “Dalton” with Brady, Rivers, Manning or Rodgers and this because a national emergency with NFL calling a special meeting for rule changes.

  12. triumphdog says: Aug 13, 2011 11:19 AM

    As a Lions fan that was born in 1983, I have experienced very little to be happy about. To have a defense with a tough, physical, mean, dirty & aggressive mentality, with Suh being the leader in that, I can assure you every Lions’ fan could give a damn what other people think of Suh.

  13. drstrangelust says: Aug 13, 2011 11:21 AM

    No worries. If a boy named Suh is going to keep playing to hurt people…some back up offensive lineman will just take out his knees! Then we will see what he has to say!

  14. daburgher says: Aug 13, 2011 11:23 AM

    Suh is not dirty.. so sick of ppl saying that if you play hard, hit hard your a dirty player.. ITS FOOTBALL!

  15. Mike Tomlin says: Aug 13, 2011 11:24 AM

    As a die-hard Steelers fan and an avid James Harrison defender, I LOVE the way Suh plays. This is how football has been played for 80 years, the new commissioners regime should NOT have the authority to change that.

    Keep playing FOOTBALL James, Ndamukong, and everyone else who plays the game the way it should be played. I applaud you.

  16. silvercrush says: Aug 13, 2011 11:25 AM

    he was just welcoming Dalton to the NFL….c’mon guys

  17. kryyyy says: Aug 13, 2011 11:25 AM

    First, isn’t it hilarious that the NFL can condemn these types of hits and then list them as “Highlight” videos in the play by play?

    Second, I’m a Bengals fan and I love Suh. A good DT needs to be mean. He’s right, it isn’t his job to make sure he’s treating the QB like a delicate flower. His job is to impose his will upon mountain sized men, and he does it with a meanstreak.

  18. vmannj says: Aug 13, 2011 11:26 AM

    I like Suh. The guy plays hard every play. As a fan or a coach, you could never ask for more than that. But if the league is serious about player safety, you can’t allow defenders to body slam players that they outweight by 50+ lbs. You may not agree, but it is what it is. That’s simply the nature of today’s NFL.

  19. noodlecbs says: Aug 13, 2011 11:26 AM

    Darwin was right.

  20. doowix says: Aug 13, 2011 11:27 AM

    Opposing QBs should just fall to the turf when they see him coming. Otherwise, can’t fault the guy for playing hard. It is TACKLE football after all.

  21. jsrdc says: Aug 13, 2011 11:28 AM

    It was an unnecessary body slam. Warren Sapp style, so yes, it was more dirty than not. Suh not only will start to draw more of a dirty player tag, but the O-linemen he plays against will also start to return the favor. So he shouldn’t be surprised to start getting questionable hits from those opposing O-lineman on him.

  22. darthvincent says: Aug 13, 2011 11:28 AM

    precedents have been laid (ask the Steelers) so suspend him for the 1st game of the season….

  23. hailvictory44 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:29 AM

    Watch the clip…he didn’t rip the helmet off, hell he didn’t even grab his helmet at all. His monster arms went over the back of his shoulder to grab him which caused his helmet to pop off. Dalton’s helmet probably doesn’t even fit properly because it shouldn’t have come off from that tackle/sack. If Suh gets fined for this, it’ll be a complete joke!

  24. hamdiggitty says: Aug 13, 2011 11:29 AM

    “Is Ndamukong Suh a dirty player?” No……Was Decon Jones (earhole slap), Jack Lambert (body slams), Mean Joe Green(kick in nuts), Randy White (blow to Bradshaw head) Dick Buckus (need I say)…..They were just passionate Hall-a-Famers.

  25. wryly1 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:30 AM

    Suh doesn’t need to be a dirty player, but yes, he’s decided he has no qualms about being one.

  26. reed380 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:31 AM

    Everybody hates gingers. Not just Suh.

  27. blackfootkiller says: Aug 13, 2011 11:31 AM

    NFL>Sissyified…Let them play! This hit wouldn’t have even been mentioned back in the day, because it was typical. You know, back before men wore ‘Bling’ and got their nails done…

  28. cup1981 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:31 AM

    There is a fine line between dirty and playing hard. It’s hard to tell sometimes which is which. I did not see the game, but did the refs blow the whistle prior to Suh pile driving Dalton? If not, there’s no foul, that’s the refs’ problem not Suhs.

  29. doowix says: Aug 13, 2011 11:32 AM

    Remember the knock on Fairley was that he was a dirty player as well. Pair those two together, and opposing QBs have a reason to get rid of the ball quickly, if they value their health. From the perspective of the Lions D-Line, mission accomplished.

  30. mddare007 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:32 AM

    It will only take one dirty block to seriously hurt this guys career. He may want to reconsider being a dirty player for this reason alone.

  31. tatum064 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:32 AM

    As much as the Lions sucked, he is not only necessary, but critical to the history of the NFC North being a tough, physical division. Gives them an identity, and when the other Goon, Nick Fairly gets up to speed, its going to be very interesting. The Packers dominance isnt going to last for long, the Lions are putting together a pretty good team.

  32. chobes68 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:32 AM

    Funny how if someone likes the guy, its ok if he’s dirty, but if he’s an a-hole (James Harrison for example), then its not ok if its dirty.

    Just wait till this guy accrues a cheap shot on the wrong qb. He’s going to need major knee surgery after that game.

  33. majorseahawk says: Aug 13, 2011 11:33 AM

    Uh…I think the media needs to brush up on their anatomy a little bit. He grabbed his shoulders, not his head. You can clearly see it in that video that he has a grip on his shoulder pads. Grabbing the shoulders is legal still isn’t it? I thought so. If his helmet hadn’t of fallen off they wouldn’t have called it. Next time send Dalton out there in a dress.

  34. reed380 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:34 AM

    …..and if you watch the replay, Suh never touched his head. His arms were wrapped around the gingers shoulder pads. The penalty was for Suh throwing him down.

  35. tecmobowl34 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:34 AM

    All I gotta say to Lions fans foaming at the mouth over stuff like this – what goes around comes around. The more Suh puts vicious hits on opposing QB’s, the more time Matt Stafford will likely spend in the ER.

    By the way, the hit on Cutler – if Stafford would’ve taken the same hit from J. Peppers, we’d still be hearing about how dirty it was from ever-whining Detroit fans. Lions fans are still PO’d that the Bears won that game, in the Lion’s stadium, and swept them for the last two seasons, and injured Stafford on a love-tap in the first game last year.

    Keep yapping, Lions fans. Until you do something. 2 teams from the division were in the NFC Championship game last year. But the Lions weren’t one of them. Maybe y’all can call up Barry Sanders, he’s probably still better than Jahvid Best

  36. cup1981 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:36 AM

    Okay, I just watched the play and… Uh yeah that’s the definition of dirty!!

  37. mswravens says: Aug 13, 2011 11:37 AM

    Nothing dirty about him at all.

    –Hines Ward

  38. everydayimfumbilin says: Aug 13, 2011 11:39 AM

    Suh brings da ruckus

  39. karlpilkington says: Aug 13, 2011 11:39 AM

    Definately a dirty hit on Dalton. Some big ugly out there is going to take his knees out and he will be out a couple games or maybe even the season. He better be careful.

  40. frankrizzo51 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:40 AM

    I’m a Bears fan. I’ve only seen him play a few times and he looks fine to me. And I don’t think the hit on Cutler was dirty or finable.

  41. imagetustraight says: Aug 13, 2011 11:41 AM

    Suh is now my favorite player. I grew up wathing LT, reggie white, juinor seau, ronnie lott, and Suh has that same mean gene.

  42. monkeyjuice313 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:41 AM

    He just wanted to be a dirty player on the first day to send a message. I don’t know if “dirty” is the right word to describe him. More like “nasty.” He wants to strike fear in the other side of the ball. Once in a while he has to take someone’s head off.

  43. Dr. Kronner says: Aug 13, 2011 11:41 AM

    “a brutal (but legal, in the eyes of some observers) hit on Jay Cutler”

    Is this a joke? Did you see the hit on Cutler? It was nothing but a shove. What a total BS call.

    I thought this was a contact sport…

  44. hay1111 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:42 AM

    Its FOOTBALL!!! Its suppose to be a violent, dirty game. So many crying sissy boys

  45. tecmobowl34 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:42 AM

    It’s funny, I’ve never heard/read about a Bears fan ever even bringing the Cutler hit up (probably because the Bears won the game). It’s always Lions fans using it as some point of pride.

    I guess when you’re a Detroit fan, the only thing to get excited about is when your nose tackle cheap-shots an opposing QB from behind.

  46. pacificnw7722 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:43 AM

    “We want to be a feared front four,” Suh said before the Bengals game.”

    I hope he doesn’t change a damn thing about the style of play he incorporates.

    KEEP the pedal to the metal!

  47. hobartbaker says: Aug 13, 2011 11:44 AM

    Suh wants to be part of a “feared front four” so they can give themselves a catchy nickname. Like maybe….well…how about “The Fear Inspiring Quartet”?

  48. oriolesvsravens says: Aug 13, 2011 11:44 AM

    Not a dirty player. Just plays hard to the whistle. You either get him on the ground or do what Kiwanuka did to Vince Young years ago.

  49. bearsrulepackdrool says: Aug 13, 2011 11:45 AM

    YES!
    Once is an accident, you develop a pattern you’re dirty.
    The hit against Cutler was legal but it was definitely unnecessary. He was already going to the ground.
    But, what he did to Dalton wasn’t football and it was bush league.
    The Detroit Lions of all teams don’t need 15-yard penalties.
    Harrison and the Steelers can deal with it. Because they are actually good.

  50. gvroc6810 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:45 AM

    The hit on Cutler was a dirty play? Replays showed that it was completely legal. This is the NFL, you’re going to get hit hard. Just because a QB gets lit-up doesn’t means its a dirty play.

    Also, you forgot to add one of the other personal could was a horse-collar tackle on Barber that was again proved legal because he grabbed his hair and not the jersey.

    Before we call a player “dirty” based on his personal foul penalties, let’s fiesta make sure what those penalties were. Two of Suh’s were awful calls.

    Even yesterday’s was largely due to Dalton not having his helmet strapped right. If that hit was on a RB, nobody would have said anything nor would this article have been written.

  51. spkriegs says: Aug 13, 2011 11:48 AM

    That play was dirty, but barely. Suh is the next Reggie White, and they might as well start working on his bust for Canton. He’s a total animal…

  52. steeelfann says: Aug 13, 2011 11:49 AM

    triumphdog says: Aug 13, 2011 11:19 AM

    As a Lions fan that was born in 1983, I have experienced very little to be happy about. To have a defense with a tough, physical, mean, dirty & aggressive mentality, with Suh being the leader in that, I can assure you every Lions’ fan could give a damn what other people think of Suh.

    ————————————————–

    Would it not be, “every Lions’ fan COULDN’T/DOESN’T give a damn” ???

    Just like “I could care less” vs “I couldn’t care less”??

    Let’s tighten things up folks.

  53. edukator4 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:49 AM

    suh hits too hard, and the saints d plays football in football games.

    this is where we are at is it?
    i think i blame the “everybody gets a trophy” generation

  54. jpres2001ss says: Aug 13, 2011 11:50 AM

    The answer is NO. It’s a man’s game, man up. Big hits and dirty play have been around for years. It helps define FOOTBALL..

  55. CKL says: Aug 13, 2011 11:50 AM

    Look I hate Ray Lewis & the Ravens very, very much but look at the way Lewis hits & tackles. He’s a very tough hitter and not dirty at all. I respect that about him, and it proves a player can be tough long term without cheapshotting.

    Suh is filthy though. And it’s something he CAN change, he just REFUSES to. You CANNOT bodyslam people…and his attitude about it sucks. The hit on Cutler looked bad in realtime but I don’t think that one was actually a foul. Thing is that he’s NEVER going to get the benefit of the doubt on calls like that as long as he refuses to alter his game. Nor should he get the benefit of the doubt. It’s sad because he’s obviously a very talented player who doesn’t HAVE to be cheap to earn a roster spot.

  56. skeeter1970 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:52 AM

    His temperament reminds me of a young Joe Greene. I think Suh’s path will find him in Canton one day as well.

    I’m a Steeler fan and I absolutely love Ndamakong. Keep playing the way you do.

  57. wizahdry says: Aug 13, 2011 11:57 AM

    He’s gonna dirty play his way in Canton!!!

  58. sguy2130 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:04 PM

    Guy is a beast…but why does he brutalize QB’s in the preseason of all times…lol. Jake Delhomme last year…now Dalton this year.

  59. MichaelEdits says: Aug 13, 2011 12:05 PM

    I’m from North Carolina. Cheap shots at Jake Delhomme don’t bother me a bit.

  60. iamthorny says: Aug 13, 2011 12:07 PM

    Can you blame him? I’d play PO’d if I had to live in Detroit and play for the Lions…

  61. squabbbler says: Aug 13, 2011 12:07 PM

    The only people who should be fined for that play are Dalton’s linemen for allowing Suh to throw their QB on the ground like that and then doing nothing more than standing there pointing at Suh and yelling at the refs.

  62. barneysbullet says: Aug 13, 2011 12:09 PM

    @hobartbaker

    …that was lame. For all your wittiness (?) you should be able to come up with a better nickname than that ;)

  63. squabbbler says: Aug 13, 2011 12:09 PM

    We also know that Suh can’t be a dirty player because the only dirty player in the NFL is Cortland Finnegan.

    #notreally

  64. opie333 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:09 PM

    Can anyone even imagine 10-15 years ago this to even be a question (does he hit to hard). I was raised in Louisiana and played football in the Shreveport area. I played from 2nd grade to 12th grade we were taught to kill each other. I just think the media has weighed in way to much on this subject and hurt the sport. Great defensive players get villainized for playing the way they’ve been taught sense they were kids.

  65. brewdogg says: Aug 13, 2011 12:09 PM

    The Dalton hit was fine, nothing overly vicious about that. But the Delhomme one was different, and his habit of standing people up, wrapping, and then lifting them off the ground so he can slam them down is going to get him suspended.

    There is a line between hitting hard and intent to injure. If intent to injure is allowed, I’m sure Lions fans won’t mind if a lineman stands Suh up and allows the back a nice clean shot at his knees. After all, what’s a little fine for a low block that takes Suh out of the game and helps his team win? If it happens to end his season or career, well, that’s the way football is supposed to be played, right?

    Before you Lions fans start whining again, look at the Delhomme clip again. He tried to lift him up by the helmet, not in a movement to bring him to the ground, but in an effort to get him off the ground so that he could be slammed to the turf. Look back at his college clips and you will see a similar move repeated often. He shapes up, or his career will be shortened, either by the commissioner or by other players.

  66. sdchicken says: Aug 13, 2011 12:13 PM

    The slow motion replay did not look bad at all. He slammed him down by grabbing his shoulder pads.

  67. tecmobowl34 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:14 PM

    QB’s have to look out for this guy. They all know the risks when they strap on a helmet, they all know how easily you can get hurt for a whole season.

    and if they don’t, they can just ask Matt Stafford, he of the glass collarbones and shoulder sockets

  68. ytsejamer1 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:14 PM

    I agree with most of the posters…i’d love to have him on my team’s defensive line…but we have Haynesworth now…so it’s a wash!

    That said…somewhere Rodney Harrison is smiling! Way to go kid!

  69. bleedgreen80 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:15 PM

    i see nothing wrong here

  70. FinFan68 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:16 PM

    Aggressive…absolutely; dirty…questionable. It looked to me like he had jersey/pads. The slam was a bit unnecessary but as soon as he lets up a guy like big ben will pull away and make a big play. He should just take them down without the WWE moves.

  71. hobartbaker says: Aug 13, 2011 12:16 PM

    The majestic African Lion uses speed and strength to track and subdue it’s prey. Death is swift, brought on by violent side to side shaking.

  72. duncanthecat says: Aug 13, 2011 12:16 PM

    OL’s if they conclude with with what appears to be fact, may begin to go after limbs and joints. It’s happened before and it has most definately shortened careers.

    He should be more careful; if not for his own sake for that of his other teammates. Once games become dirty…

  73. jsrdc says: Aug 13, 2011 12:19 PM

    @hailvictory44,

    “watch the clip…he didn’t rip the helmet off, hell he didn’t even grab his helmet at all.”
    ====================================

    Funny, but you didn’t mention the part about the body slam which is what the article is pinpointing to be the dirty part of the play.

    “If Suh gets fined for this, it’ll be a complete joke!”
    ====================================

    No, it won’t be a joke, and a fine will be very applicable, as you don’t pull a Warren Sapp and body slam a defenseless player into the ground. If Suh is welcoming a rookie to the NFL, a hard sack is legal and acceptable – not a lift off the ground and then a body slam where Dalton can’t protect himself.

    Suh is so talented, is very physical, and will likely dominate for years to come, but he doesn’t have to make this type of play part of his game. He can dominate with class, and not with this type of smut.

    Had a Cincinnati DT done the EXACT same thing to Stafford, every single Detroit fan would be screaming bloody murder. But because Suh is a hometown Detroit player, and Dalton is a rookie QB, it is somehow OK to “welcome him to the NFL” with a dirty play like this?

    Detroit fans are excited, I get it. An up and coming young and talented team, but this play was nothing but dirty. He may as well have been Albert Haynesworth or Warren Sapp out there.

  74. tecmobowl34 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:20 PM

    its funny, only the Lions would get this pumped up because of a preseason win over the Bengals. okay, now I’m done

  75. dwatkins69 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:23 PM

    When he had dalton up right the refs wer still standing there so the play isnt over. You have to get him down on the ground. If this is dirty this league is worse than i thought.

  76. dshaffer31 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:27 PM

    It’s a man’s game. You want it to be as soft as guys wearing pink shirts.

  77. laxer37 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:29 PM

    Show me a dirty player, I’ll show you a pro bowler.

    Ronnie Lot thinks all you whining sissies are soft.

  78. zackd2 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:31 PM

    Cant wait until Stafford goes on IR with a season ending injury AGAIN – hopefully it comes from a Suh/Harrison/etc “old school football” play

  79. bluestree says: Aug 13, 2011 12:31 PM

    Cheap shots are older than Hines Ward’s mother. Every team has an enforcer to settle scores. Suh may not be the one to have to pay, it could be a special teamer, but in the division these things get settled on the field.

  80. camjon32 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:31 PM

    tecmobowl34 says:
    Aug 13, 2011 11:42 AM
    It’s funny, I’ve never heard/read about a Bears fan ever even bringing the Cutler hit up (probably because the Bears won the game). It’s always Lions fans using it as some point of pride.

    I guess when you’re a Detroit fan, the only thing to get excited about is when your nose tackle cheap-shots an opposing QB from behind.

    I am a Detroit fan and what I find exciting (I think it’s safe to say others will feel the same) is that the Lions are becoming relevant.

    Football is a violent game. I don’t condone any after the whistle activity, actions to injure that appear intentional etc…To say that Suh is “dirty” after a year of professional football is irresponsible. Nasty yes, but dirty? Pepper’s hit on Stafford last year was clean…Suh’s push (an attempt to call it anything else is ridiculous) was just was clean. Imagine if Suh had wrapped Cutler up from behind and fell on top of him going full speed…

    Bottom line is, I’m sure that there are 31 teams that would LOVE to have Suh on their defensive line. I’m just glad, we in Detroit, don’t have to wish he was…….

  81. woodyg says: Aug 13, 2011 12:32 PM

    Lion Fans will think differently when “the boy named Suh” starts costing them games due to his less than intelligent play …….

    “The boy named Suh” will also think differently when he’s fined 1/16 along with suspension …..

    There’s a huge difference between being aggressive & being stupid ……

  82. toklatdog says: Aug 13, 2011 12:34 PM

    As a Lions fan, I was happy to see the hit on Dalton. A Bengal just took a cheap shot on Delmas on the previous play. In the past, the Lions would have rolled over and took it. Glad to see Suh stepping up and getting payback, even if he has to take the 15 yards.

  83. creator69 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:34 PM

    Once fairly gets back, they need to change their nick-name to the brute squad, But we need to add Fezzik also.

  84. enders9 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:36 PM

    Is he dirty? I don’t know if I want to flat out call him dirty, but he has made some dirty plays (not many, but some).

    I think I’d rather just call him aggressive and, at times, overly aggressive. The overly aggressive is when he forgets he’s playing an NFL game and thinks he’s in a WWE ring. The bodyslams aren’t necessary. But they are a good way to get into a QBs head.

  85. dawsonleery says: Aug 13, 2011 12:36 PM

    He plays with an attitude, I like it.

  86. woodyg says: Aug 13, 2011 12:36 PM

    Funny how the great defensive linemen in NFL history never had to play the way ‘the boy named Suh’ does ……

    A nicely placed cut-back block will make Suh think twice about how he plays …..

  87. twindaddy says: Aug 13, 2011 12:38 PM

    everybody seems to be forgetting that Dalton had already thrown the ball. that’s why he was flagged. suh slammed him down way after Dalton had thrown it. that’s why he was flagged.

  88. thegreg1 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:38 PM

    I hear the NFL want to change the term “tackle” to “hug”

  89. martinmayhew4president says: Aug 13, 2011 12:38 PM

    Dirty? No. He was just setting the tone for the D.

  90. jaystop says: Aug 13, 2011 12:39 PM

    He’s absolutely a dirty player. Having said that, I’d love to have him on my team. Guy’s a beast.

  91. enders9 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:40 PM

    toklatdog says: Aug 13, 2011 12:34 PM

    As a Lions fan, I was happy to see the hit on Dalton. A Bengal just took a cheap shot on Delmas on the previous play. In the past, the Lions would have rolled over and took it. Glad to see Suh stepping up and getting payback, even if he has to take the 15 yards.

    ————————————————–

    lol so Suh’s way of payback is to body slam a player that had nothing to do with the cheap shot on Delmas? And not only that, he decided to take his payback out on probably the weakest Bengal on the field at the time? Sounds a little cowardly…

    Instead, let’s just say Suh was trying to make a play.

  92. icelovinbrotha215 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:41 PM

    It’s all nice and good til he does in a big game. I like his intensity but it will cost his team a game if Suh keeps it up. He is strong enough to destroy QBs without trying to rip their heads off.

  93. Deb says: Aug 13, 2011 12:41 PM

    We should be careful about throwing around this “dirty” player label. A dirty player is one who sticks his hand inside the facemask and tries to gouge out an opponent’s eyes. A dirty player is one who walks up to an opponent lying on the ground and tries to stomp him in the face with his cleats. A dirty player is one who consistently throws chop blocks or aims his helmet at opponents’ knees. But tackles happen at high speeds. In the nanoseconds between making the move and connecting, a target can move or turn in a way that changes the contact, making the hit seem worse than intended. You have to look at a pattern of behavior, gauging malicious intent to decide that a player is “dirty.”

    James Harrison is tough, surly, and has a big mouth, drawing too much attention to himself. But if you watch the film, he doesn’t deliberately set out to injure other players. I haven’t seen enough of Suh to form an opinion. But I’m about to watch my DVR of the Bengals game, so maybe that will shed some light.

  94. jsrdc says: Aug 13, 2011 12:41 PM

    toklatdog,

    This is exactly my point. It is OK because it is a Detroit player doling out the punishment, and not the other way around. Would you have been equally happy to see the same type of hit on Stafford from a Bengals player? I know the answer, and you Lion Fans would have been as butt-hurt about it as possible. You are a hypocrite.

    Whatever happened on the play before ( I didn’t see it, but i will take your word for it that it is dirty) had nothing to do with Dalton, and Dalton shouldn’t get this type of hit because of it. Maybe Delmas himself should have taken care of business on the next play.

    And it isn’t like this is Suh’s first questionable hit. I love his intensity and his skill set, but you have to also be professional about how you play this game. Prison league rules are not in effect here.

  95. hamdiggitty says: Aug 13, 2011 12:41 PM

    Get use to it…..and we got one more player coming just as nasty. This year we ride, wit dirty players inside…sending QB’s to the head doctors.

    NFC North Dominates
    “Detroit Lions the True Black an Blue”

  96. r66x says: Aug 13, 2011 12:42 PM

    Officials should kick players out of the game, on the spot for plays like this. That would force their coaches to stop this. If the league later reviews tapes and determines a fine is needed, then officials should be held accountable if they did not remove the player.

  97. waccoforflacco says: Aug 13, 2011 12:43 PM

    Easy solution…immediate EJECTION from the game. Forget the fines.

  98. kzoodawg says: Aug 13, 2011 12:47 PM

    Watching Harrison and Suh beating on the Browns is not fun. But they only do what they are aloud to do. If you don’t like it match the intensity! The offensive line can certainly orchestrate a payback.

    …Ah well at least I will always have Turkey Joe Jones throwing Bradshaw down on his head….

  99. enders9 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:51 PM

    Ok I just went back and rewatched that play. Dalton’s helmet was rolling around on the ground well before Suh even began body slamming him. And Suh had him around the neck, so he had to of known his helmet was off and he body slammed him anyways.

    Sorry Lion fans, but that is just flat out dirty. But I still love Suh.

  100. enders9 says: Aug 13, 2011 12:53 PM

    kzoodawg says: Aug 13, 2011 12:47 PM

    Watching Harrison and Suh beating on the Browns is not fun. But they only do what they are aloud to do. If you don’t like it match the intensity! The offensive line can certainly orchestrate a payback.

    —————————————————

    Obviously they AREN’T allowed to do it, that is why they are flagged and fined for it.

  101. tecmobowl34 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:01 PM

    He slammed Dalton as hard as he could WELL AFTER HE RELEASED THE BALL. case closed. cheap shot, dirty player, I hope he gets whatever chop-block-induced knee injury is coming to him

  102. paulitik74 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:03 PM

    Man he looks like he’s mating with Chad henne in that pic.

    I don’t care as long as he doesn’t try that $#!+ when he plays the Falcons.

  103. godofwine330 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:03 PM

    Keep on doing what you do, Suh. His comment: “My mentality right now is, I owe it to my teammates and fans and former players and my coaches to play as hard as I can.”

    You gotta respect that. Wish I had him on my Browns. Oh, crap. Don’t we play them next week? Damn.

    lol@ the kzoodog’s Turkey Jones comment

  104. cbryan777 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:04 PM

    The reaction to Suh’s hit is ridiculous.

    Why is nobody mentioning the fact that Dalton’s helmet (which was barely on his head in the first place) was knocked off by another guy’s shoulder pads prior to Suh even being forceful with him?

    Suh’s priority is setting the defensive tone for the rest of the year. While Trey Wingo and others (aka Michael David Smith) continue to suggest Suh’s play as dirty, the other coaches in the league will continue to fear #90 and would offer their superstars within seconds to get him.

  105. toklatdog says: Aug 13, 2011 1:11 PM

    jsrdc,

    I agree the Dalton hit was dirty. Was the Cutler hit? No. Was the ridiculous ‘hair’ horse collar? No.

    But given Millen and Marinell’s brilliant decision to field a team of midgets that fit their Tampa 2 scheme, the Lions have been bullied, pushed around, and cheap-shotted for years. Suh is changing the culture. Dalton certainly didn’t deserve it, but maybe next time his WR skips his Hines Ward impression and no one gets hurt.

  106. phuckyouall says: Aug 13, 2011 1:12 PM

    Hard, tough nosed, excellent player. BUT, these pile drives, body slams when he could just simply take the QB down are dirty and uncalled for. He could easily blow up the QB and get his point across. Like some others said before, if Julius Peppers did the same to Matt Stafford and put him out for the year, Lions fans would want blood. By doing this he has put a bullseye squarely on the back of his QB. Last time I checked, after Stafford the Lions have nothing. Good Luck!

  107. lionskeet says: Aug 13, 2011 1:12 PM

    SUUUUUHHHHH!!!!

    I think I can hear Jay Cutler reaching for his insulin.

    Watch out NFC North, the Silver Crush are salivating over severed QB heads!

  108. detroitrollin22 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:15 PM

    I didnt know we were playing soccer over here.

  109. jumpgo692003 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:15 PM

    I have seen the replay and its really not that big of a deal. Was it a penalty? Yes. Was it dirty? I dont really think so. Seems like a bang, bang play that he continued through without paying attention to who has the ball.

    He did the same to Delhomme (but far more questionable manner, closer to dirty). I felt that he was just excited and trying to make a name for himself then and I still feel that way now.

    What may happen though if he doesnt start paying attention to the play unfolding is some team is going to send a message to him and it may shorten his season.

    Teams deal with things on the field and he needs to at least be concious of the fact that he plays on the line where there is plenty of opportunity for someone to take shots and claim it as a “bang bang” play.

  110. jtam963 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:15 PM

    Dude is 100 % dirty.

    At least you Lions got a superstar on offense n defense, too bad that is all.

    Most overhyped team this season–LIONS!!

    Bear Down baby!

  111. gorilla1017 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:17 PM

    He’s not a dirty player, he plays hard every play and sometimes he crosses the line of legal hits, but that’s what penalties are for. If he was dirty he would have a lot more than 4 personal fouls in a year.

  112. bearfan51 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:17 PM

    It’s only a matter of time before some O-Lineman takes Suh out with a cheap shot of his own. Suh must have forgotten, he is not the only tough guy on the field…

    Lets not forget, Matthew Stafford already has a hard enough time staying healthy. Playing dirty will only motivate the other teams D to “T-Off” on Sally Stafford.

    I don’t want to hear any Lions fans crying when that happens.

  113. clevefan1 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:21 PM

    I was going to say after watching the play against Delhomme last year that Suh is a dirty player. But, after just watching the youtube video of this play, I feel like it was a clean hit. So what if his helmet came off, it’s not like he grabbed the helmet and pulled it off. Maybe he didn’t have it strapped on right.

  114. bucks12965 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:21 PM

    Suh’s hits are just as dirty as Megatron’s TD catches.

    Moron referees!

    & no, I’m not a Lions fan.

  115. btoddstern2323 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:27 PM

    He should be one of the first ones tested

  116. ruck1707 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:29 PM

    From what I understand, you’re suppose to play 100% until the whistle is blown. Football players are taught that since peewee football. All I see here is Suh playing until the whistle is blown, has the QB by the upper shoulder pads and tackles him. To me it seams the QB’s helmet wasn’t properly secured on his head.

  117. mykelane says: Aug 13, 2011 1:32 PM

    as much as I like the kid, he IMO crosses the line all too frequently. I wish I could find the video but last year when Vick was running out of bounds and flung a pass downfield.. after the ball was released and just before Vick stepped out of bounds, guess who provided a forearm shiver to Vick’s HELMET? … along with the other questionable hits he was actually fined for…. those that play the lions… keep a eye on Suh while he’s playing and you’ll wonder too. Sure everyone would like him on their team but sometimes I question the line he sometimes oversteps….between playing hard.. and playing dirty. JMTC

  118. ruck1707 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:32 PM

    Everyone here that thinks Suh is a dirty player or this was a dirty play probably never has played football themselves cause they didn’t want to break a nail, or afraid of being hit.

  119. pappageorgio says: Aug 13, 2011 1:33 PM

    Big lions fan here……..1st) Suh didn’t remove dalton’s helmet, the rook needs to strap his equipment on properly. 2) the slam was a bit late and excessive that’s what drew the flag.

    What is not mentioned here is the context of what was going on in the game…….the previous play a bengals WR (Jerome Simpson?) threw a flagrant block in the back on Delmas, which was a cheap shot, our D was pissed about it…….so the QB got roughed up a little.

    Suh plays hard…..he’s not a dirty player. Part of a DL’s job is to remind the QB he’s there, maybe to force the QB to make too-quick decisions. Suh doesn’t take cheap shots at players knees, doesn’t hit with the crown of the helmet, or make blows to the head. However, anytime he get’s his hands on the QB he takes him down…..and has been a little over-enthusiastic and late to pull up on that.

  120. deconjonesbitchslap says: Aug 13, 2011 1:41 PM

    i’m just chuckling at the smack talking Lions, and their fans. every year for the past 8 years, COULD be their SLEEPER year! have fun with 6 wins, again, because your QB will be on IR in 3 months.

  121. contract says: Aug 13, 2011 1:42 PM

    Yes, he is a dirty player. He’s also a monster.

  122. trickbunny says: Aug 13, 2011 1:45 PM

    The problem I have with this buffoon is all the head and neck stuff that seems to occur with him. I have no problem with vicious, “dirty” hits and I’m all for the guy absolutely pulverizing QBs into the ground.

    I don’t even have a problem with him bodyslamming a QB (as long as he doesn’t mind paying constant fines for his roid-rage-like style), but this crap where he’s bending QBs necks and heads and ripping the helmets off them is BS. There is NO reason to target a QBs head or neck. Just wait until someone gets crippled because of this clown. Then everyone will think he’s an a-hole. Which he is, if going for the head/neck is his M.O.

    Sorry, but the object is to prevent the QB from making a play- not try to cripple or kill him by snapping a neck vertebrae, etc.

    The other funny thing is that about 99.9% of the non-Lions fans who have no problem with whatever this mongoloid does will change their tune when he does it to *their* QB. Fact.

  123. renmasters says: Aug 13, 2011 1:45 PM

    Suh is the type of player that you hate when they’re not on you’re team but love when they’re on your team.

    It’s about time the Lions had one of them. With Mayhew and Schwartz running the show it looks like he’ll be the first of many.

    Look out for the NFC North. Glory days are back again?

  124. Mr. Wright 212 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:46 PM

    This is embarrassing to the league. Dalton probably didn’t even have his chinstrap buckled properly. Nothing about that was dirty. Nor the hit on Cutler GOODNESS.

    The only people saying yes are fans of teams that he’s hit their QB hard.

  125. jpb12 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:46 PM

    Guy is a beast. If you don’t want him to body rock the QB, double team him.

  126. rolandsloan says: Aug 13, 2011 1:46 PM

    If opposing teams think he’s dirty, he should watch his back and knees. Seriously.

  127. catchhester23 says: Aug 13, 2011 1:49 PM

    Have no problem with how hard the guy plays but why does he seem to think the only way to fear him is cheap head shots on everybody. Learn from peppers go after the qb arms not head seems to work on stafford.

  128. hscorpio says: Aug 13, 2011 1:49 PM

    A d-linemen with the reputation for cheap shots on opposing QBs is probably going to get a fair bit of cheap shots from O-linemen. If the league won’t police things on the field, the players will.

  129. trickbunny says: Aug 13, 2011 2:02 PM

    The unfortunate part of the deal for Lions fans is that every time you see a headline that says something like “Suh Dominates Opposing Offense” or “Suh Has Three Sack Game”, it’s always gonna be followed by the words, “In a Losing Effort”….

  130. CKL says: Aug 13, 2011 2:14 PM

    MichaelEdits says:
    Aug 13, 2011 12:05 PM
    I’m from North Carolina. Cheap shots at Jake Delhomme don’t bother me a bit.
    ___________________________________

    I can’t stand it when people think they’re being so cute and flip and wishing for and enjoying bad things happening to players who are good people and especially ones who did a lot for their team. This inane trash talk has happened just recently to Hasselbeck, Ellis etc. too, it goes on and on. Pathetic. Says a lot more about you people than it does about them.

    I don’t wish injuries even to players I HATE. It’s disgusting.

  131. jsrdc says: Aug 13, 2011 2:15 PM

    @ toklatdog says

    jsrdc,

    “I agree the Dalton hit was dirty.”
    ====================================

    Well, we agree on something. I don’t recall seeing the hit on Cutler or on Delhomme, but most seem to think the Delhomme hit was dirty. With regards to the horse hair tackle, it wasn’t dirty, IMO, and I am a Cowboy fan. It was unusual, but I don’t think the intent was there. I think it absolutely was with him slamming Dalton into the ground. Anyway, having said that, Suh is creating a bit of a resume early in his career that could be construed as him being a dirty player, and that will only create animosity towards him, and potential retaliation for it. I am all for intensity and even playing with a nasty streak, but there is a line that can be crossed. He has to be careful, or you may see him get some of his own medicine.

    “But given Millen and Marinelli’s brilliant decision to field a team of midgets that fit their Tampa 2 scheme, the Lions have been bullied, pushed around, and cheap-shotted for years. Suh is changing the culture. Dalton certainly didn’t deserve it, but maybe next time his WR skips his Hines Ward impression and no one gets hurt”.
    ===================================

    Suh doesn’t have to play dirty to change the culture. He displayed his ability to be dominant as a rookie, and btw, the Lions were terrible long before Millen and Marinelli arrived in their respective positions. I also agree Dalton didn’t deserve it, and fortunately he didn’t get hurt on the play. Detroit doesn’t play Cincinnati during the regular season, so there won’t be a retaliation there. Having said that, you can bet that the 13 other teams that do play Detroit in the regular season will be more wary of his play, as will Roger Goodell and the league’s front office.

  132. dissapointmentprone says: Aug 13, 2011 2:19 PM

    He tackles your QB’s head and slams him down, block him at his knees. Tit for tat

  133. depotnator says: Aug 13, 2011 2:20 PM

    This site gets so sanctimonious about player aggressive play because none of the writers ever played football. They don’t really understand the neanderthal nature of the sport as much as former players -turned- journalists.

  134. mathsimillion says: Aug 13, 2011 2:29 PM

    I’m guessing most of the people who think he is dirty would still take him on their team in a heartbeat. I would. The guy is flat out dominant and I wish he was on my defensive line.

  135. gvroc6810 says: Aug 13, 2011 2:34 PM

    Any of you saying that if it was the other way around, Detroit fans would be pissed — you’re dumb!

    Of course it would be that way. That’s like Lions fans telling Bears fans — if that Calvin Johnson catch called incomplete would have been the other way around, you’d be upset too.

    It’s a piss poor, ignorant argument…but that should be expected from Bears fans.

  136. wannabeqb says: Aug 13, 2011 2:39 PM

    So 2 illegal hits equals a dirty player (the Cutler hit wasn’t dirty in the least & the fine was insane)?

  137. mikeopp says: Aug 13, 2011 2:49 PM

    Hey drstrangelust
    Why don’t you walk up to Suh, and call him boy
    You might be headless Tuh

  138. bunjy96 says: Aug 13, 2011 2:49 PM

    He’d fit right in in Pittsburgh.

  139. pack15forever says: Aug 13, 2011 2:57 PM

    This guy is playing with fire. Football is a contact sport and as long as the hitting is done legally there is no problem. Suh has already been fine more than once by the NFL which means that in the eye of the league he crossed the line. If the fines don’t deter him then it is just a matter of time before someone takes a shot at one of his knees. I hope that he doesn’t get cheap shot but that’s what may happen.

  140. mikeopp says: Aug 13, 2011 3:00 PM

    I laugh about the bears fans whining on this article. Lions fans bring up “this or that”. This article was about a Detroit player. Why so many cub fans reading it? Must be afraid of the pending season. Bears got lots of luck last season, from calls, to few injuries. They won’t be so fortunate this year.

  141. beastmode2 says: Aug 13, 2011 3:05 PM

    reed 380 – did a red headed girl burn you or something? remember, everyone hates blacks more……..

  142. jimmysee says: Aug 13, 2011 3:14 PM

    Someone should tell the guy he is not Haystacks Calhoun.

  143. Deb says: Aug 13, 2011 3:16 PM

    @CKL …

    Well said.

  144. brewdogg says: Aug 13, 2011 3:17 PM

    ruck1707 says:
    Aug 13, 2011 1:32 PM
    Everyone here that thinks Suh is a dirty player or this was a dirty play probably never has played football themselves cause they didn’t want to break a nail, or afraid of being hit.
    ———————————-
    depotnator says:
    Aug 13, 2011 2:20 PM
    This site gets so sanctimonious about player aggressive play because none of the writers ever played football. They don’t really understand the neanderthal nature of the sport as much as former players -turned- journalists.
    ———————————-

    Just to set a little credibility with the likes of you, I did play football. Lined up everywhere on both sides of the line. I was even fortunate enough to have the opportunity to play in college. I have injured other players. I have knocked players out. I have sent players to the hospital. I even had a play similar to the hits that Suh is getting criticized for…..

    In pursuit of a QB who had fled the pocket, he stopped to throw, I did not hit square, but was able to wrap as I went flying by behind him. I pulled him over the top of my body and he slammed down into the turf hard enough to bounce back up and spin 180 degrees before he came back down. The trainers came on the field, he was carted off the field and didn’t return.

    Here’s the difference: The time between initial contact and the QB hitting the ground was less than 1/4 of a second. You needed to watch it in slow motion to see exactly what happened. That is the result of playing hard. It’s a football play. Wrapping a player up, stopping their momentum with both players still on their feet, and then lifting them up in the air and slamming them down into the turf, as Suh has repeatedly done, is not a result of a football play. It is intent to injure, plain and simple, and it doesn’t matter who he plays for, it should not be allowed.

    The only tone it sets is that there is a player (or a team) that is trying to win by injuring the other team’s players, and that will only result in the other team responding in kind. And if either of you, or any of the rest of you, have ever played football, than you know what a team does to a player or team that they think is trying to injure their teammates.

  145. philrat says: Aug 13, 2011 3:19 PM

    Nothing dirty about this play. It’s the hitting and tackling that make football interesting. Without the hitting football is just another track meet.

  146. axespray says: Aug 13, 2011 3:21 PM

    justbust says:Aug 13, 2011 11:15 AM
    “hes got naturally higher testosterone, its makes him extra violent.”

    just wait until the HGH testing is underway….

  147. rollerino1 says: Aug 13, 2011 3:22 PM

    I like they guy off the field, but on the field he is straight dirty.

  148. londonbengal says: Aug 13, 2011 3:28 PM

    I didn’t see anything wrong with Suh’s play on Dalton, and I’m a Bengal fan. Players are coached to ‘finish the play’, as if the QB still has the ball.

    Just wish the Bengals D-Line played like that…….

  149. blindshootist says: Aug 13, 2011 3:31 PM

    lions need nasty. he reminds me of Reggie White, a man among men, who is intelligent and aware .. and when he steps on the field, he’s superior to every other lineman. he’s going to lead detroit to the playoffs.

    he got flagged for his PUSH on aaron rodgers last year, can’t help it that he’s that much bigger and stronger than qb’s… maybe opposing offenses should adjust their blocking schemes.

    blame the QB, how many times have we seen Peyton Manning hit the deck to avoid that situation? oh yeah, he’s a rookie with one buckle on his chin strap.. had the ball, live play, no whistle, Suh is thinking turnover.. call the 15 yard penalty and move on.

  150. ruck1707 says: Aug 13, 2011 3:35 PM

    @ brewdogg says: Aug 13, 2011 3:17 PM

    You play til the whistle is blown! Suh continued until that moment. If you slow the play down, Suh’s head wasn’t facing up to see Dalton throw the ball cause Suh was too busy rushing with his nose down to the ball. Suh clearly grabbed Dalton by his jersey on his shoulder pads, Suh had the leverage and the power and Dalton didn’t have enough strength to stay on his feet. Before Dalton came down, his helmet was knocked off by the shoulder pad of another player. Clearly Dalton did not have his equipment properly strapped. Suh plays hard like he’s suppose to do, maybe the Bengals OL should block him, like they’re suppose to do!

  151. imasturbate says: Aug 13, 2011 3:36 PM

    It’s people like Michael David Smith that want to turn the NFL into flag football. There was nothing wrong with the tackle…go watch golf if you think that was violent. That’s the way the game is played and a huge part of why it is so successful. “Viciously slamming him to the ground”……Pahlease!

  152. ruck1707 says: Aug 13, 2011 3:41 PM

    Plain and Simple, its football! If you’re afraid of getting hurt, don’t play! I’m tired of QB’s being protected, they choose to play that position, they choose to be scrawnier than other players. They “choose” to put themselves back there with the risk of getting hit hard. DL’s are getting bigger and faster every year, maybe QB’s should start looking into getting tougher and stronger as well.

  153. tiffpats4eva says: Aug 13, 2011 4:01 PM

    No, he isn’t a dirty player.

  154. backuppunter says: Aug 13, 2011 4:12 PM

    he’s a great player and with fb’s, Ol’s, lb’s, de’s, dt’s, and safetys there is always a fine line between dirty and awsome. i know if i were protecting my qb from him i would play as dirty as him

  155. dino2997 says: Aug 13, 2011 4:17 PM

    There is no doubt Suh is a dirty player but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing. James Harrison is as dirty as they come and he’s had a great career.

  156. londonbengal says: Aug 13, 2011 4:21 PM

    Cedric Benson, 6 rushes for 37 yards @ over 6 yards per pop.

    Sounds like Detroit might need some help along that porous d-line of theirs.

  157. zen6969 says: Aug 13, 2011 4:28 PM

    Wish this guy was on my team – he is a beast. He destroys everything in his path and I freakin love it. Keep rocking people. Anyone who whines that he is dirty try watching a sport with less contact and more boring like baseball or Golf. THIS IS FOOTBALL – IT IS PHYSICAL.

  158. The Blog of Don Comontofski says: Aug 13, 2011 4:39 PM

    Yes. He has already tried to pile drive players. There better fine him now or he is going to end up breaking someones neck, We don’t have heads like cows where you can twist down and someone not get seriously injured, or throw someone head down first like he did last year and not have some serious injuries.

  159. beavertonsteve says: Aug 13, 2011 4:45 PM

    bearfan51 says:
    Aug 13, 2011 1:17 PM
    It’s only a matter of time before some O-Lineman takes Suh out with a cheap shot of his own. Suh must have forgotten, he is not the only tough guy on the field…

    ——————————–

    EXACTLY. Someone will make sure Suh gets his if he keeps it up. 295 lbs of muscle doesn’t really make your ACL a whole lot stronger.

  160. FinFan68 says: Aug 13, 2011 5:19 PM

    paulitik74 says:
    Aug 13, 2011 1:03 PM
    Man he looks like he’s mating with Chad henne in that pic.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I don’t think that is Henne. I’m not sure but the clearest piece of evidence is that the ball is still in the QB’s possession rather than in the arms of a DB sprinting towards the Dolphins end zone.

  161. pandebailey says: Aug 13, 2011 5:22 PM

    You are including the hit on Jay Cutler as one of Suh’s “dirty” hits? Absurd. Cutler was past scrimmage, running with the ball….making him a running back. Suh pushed him down with two hands on the back of Cutler’s shoulder pads. PLEASE explain to us what NFL rule was used to draw a flag for that hit! Suh was guilty of pushing a runner down too hard??

    So now you have just two QB hits to build a case for a “Burgeoning reputation”?

  162. simplesimon1 says: Aug 13, 2011 6:18 PM

    Love it!!! Keep it up Suh!!! These are the type of players that everybody adores and end up in the HOF someday. You don’t let up on plays or you lose your job.

    Dear Andy Dalton: You got slammed down with a bit too much authority. The ball was gone but it doesn’t appear Suh could even see that he had gotten rid of it. As for the helmet, do your chin strap up. You had it undone most of the game.

    Good lord….Every single person in this blog wishes Suh was on their team, period. You’re lying through your teeth if you say different.

  163. asublimeday says: Aug 13, 2011 6:30 PM

    That hit on jay was filthy. He’s gonna get what’s coming to him when a big OT takes offense to his crap.

  164. rtick2000 says: Aug 13, 2011 6:32 PM

    The hits are rugged and some a bit questionable by today’s standard. But you have to admit… this guy is renting space in QB’s head… and the Lions couldn’t possibly be happier about that!

  165. notsosmartski says: Aug 13, 2011 6:44 PM

    Dalton jumped up after getting knocked to the ground looking for a referee. He won’t last long in the league if that is how he is going to act when he gets hit by a player. Someone ought to tell him to take it like a pro player not like a sissy.

  166. londonbengal says: Aug 13, 2011 7:00 PM

    Didn’t Dalton’s ginger mop go great with those Bengal unis.

    When he plays in those orange Bengal home jerseys, his hair will almost match.

    Now if he could just add a few black ‘highlights’ that’d be just awesome.

    Perhaps he could start a whole new fashion/hairstyle line.

    This kid is one tough son of a gun……love his attitude already.

    Go Andy……..

  167. depotnator says: Aug 13, 2011 7:01 PM

    brewdogg says:Aug 13, 2011 3:17 PM

    “It is intent to injure, plain and simple, and it doesn’t matter who he plays for, it should not be allowed. The only tone it sets is that there is a player (or a team) that is trying to win by injuring the other team’s players.”

    I beg to differ with you. The intent is to intimidate the QB to rush his throws and disrupt the timing of pass plays. It causes confusion in blocking schemes. That is the tone it sets early in the game. Dalton was not injured, but if it was Suh’s intent to injure, surely Dalton would have been. I agree that if the result is injury, then punishment is warranted. But aggressive DL play is nothing more than a brushback pitch in baseball – don’t dig in and crowd the plate. Dalton got rid of the ball quickly after that play with checkdowns. Message received.

  168. depotnator says: Aug 13, 2011 7:03 PM

    “Dalton jumped up after getting knocked to the ground looking for a referee. He won’t last long in the league if that is how he is going to act when he gets hit by a player. Someone ought to tell him to take it like a pro player not like a sissy.”

    Dalton must be a fan of Tom Brady.

  169. Mr. Wright 212 says: Aug 13, 2011 7:03 PM

    notsosmartski says: Aug 13, 2011 6:44 PM

    Dalton jumped up after getting knocked to the ground looking for a referee. He won’t last long in the league if that is how he is going to act when he gets hit by a player. Someone ought to tell him to take it like a pro player not like a sissy.
    ————-

    That’s what happens when the NFL forcefeeds us Tom Brady, who is the worst at doing this, even when he’s only brushed by Terrell Suggs. The young guys think that’s the way to be.

  170. bleed4philly says: Aug 13, 2011 7:20 PM

    Yes

  171. ham1 says: Aug 13, 2011 7:34 PM

    Not dirty just old school. Hes a freaking throwback.

  172. gosuhgo says: Aug 13, 2011 8:16 PM

    Dalton shouldve gone down. He was fighting Suh to stay on his feet. Suh could ask me to fall over and I’d do it. Damn fool tryin to stay up.

  173. camssportsjam says: Aug 13, 2011 9:11 PM

    In baseball when a pitcher throws at one of your guys, (which you could call a cheapshot) what do a lot of teams do? Throw back at the guy. They take a cheap shot at one of our guys, we’ll show em whos boss!

  174. swive says: Aug 13, 2011 9:25 PM

    “Whatever happened on the play before ( I didn’t see it, but i will take your word for it that it is dirty) had nothing to do with Dalton, and Dalton shouldn’t get this type of hit because of it. Maybe Delmas himself should have taken care of business on the next play.”

    ____________________________________

    In baseball, the way you get payback for a player showboating after a home run is to hit THE NEXT BATTER. Too bad for Andy but that got the attention of the rest of the Bungles.

  175. darthhitman says: Aug 13, 2011 10:34 PM

    tecmobowl34 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:42 AM

    It’s funny, I’ve never heard/read about a Bears fan ever even bringing the Cutler hit up (probably because the Bears won the game). It’s always Lions fans using it as some point of pride.

    I guess when you’re a Detroit fan, the only thing to get excited about is when your nose tackle cheap-shots an opposing QB from behind.

    ______________________________________

    Goes to show what your dumb ass knows moron, Lions play a base 4-3…there is NO nose tackle in a 4-3 stupid…but you actually believe your Bears were good and not overrated as all get out last season too so, I shouldn’t expect from from ya’s huh

  176. brewdogg says: Aug 14, 2011 12:05 AM

    Clarification @ ruck1707 and depotnator:

    I stated earlier in the thread that this Dalton hit was fine. He pulled him back and down to the ground. That’s football, and not what I’m talking about. Read again.

    And the kind of actions that Suh is getting a bad reputation for does not cause fear. It incites rage. Blowing by the blocker and burying the QB causes fear. Running down a player in the flat, stopping their momentum, then picking them up and slamming them to the turf just gets the linemen keyed up to bury him. Brock Lesnar did that once against my HS team. He didn’t lay a hand on a ballcarrier the rest of the game.

  177. brewdogg says: Aug 14, 2011 12:17 AM

    darthhitman says:
    Aug 13, 2011 10:34 PM
    tecmobowl34 says: Aug 13, 2011 11:42 AM

    It’s funny, I’ve never heard/read about a Bears fan ever even bringing the Cutler hit up (probably because the Bears won the game). It’s always Lions fans using it as some point of pride.

    I guess when you’re a Detroit fan, the only thing to get excited about is when your nose tackle cheap-shots an opposing QB from behind.

    ______________________________________

    Goes to show what your dumb ass knows moron, Lions play a base 4-3…there is NO nose tackle in a 4-3 stupid…but you actually believe your Bears were good and not overrated as all get out last season too so, I shouldn’t expect from from ya’s huh
    —————————————–

    Actually, in many 4-3 defenses, they do use the term nose tackle. The other DT is the under tackle. A base, vanilla 4-3 may have the DT headup on the Gs, but most 4-3s have one DT in the weakside A gap (the NT) and the other on the strongside Gs outside eye. This is designed to funnel inside runs to the strongside A gap and the MLB. If you notice the DTs on your team are switching back and forth from the right side to the left side, it is because they are putting their NT and UT in the appropriate spots against the line formation that the offense is in.

    Do you have any other misconceptions that you would like to have cleared up?

  178. honolulubluekoolaid says: Aug 14, 2011 12:31 AM

    bearsrulepackdrool says:
    Aug 13, 2011 11:45 AM
    YES!
    Once is an accident, you develop a pattern you’re dirty.
    The hit against Cutler was legal but it was definitely unnecessary. He was already going to the ground.
    But, what he did to Dalton wasn’t football and it was bush league.
    The Detroit Lions of all teams don’t need 15-yard penalties.
    Harrison and the Steelers can deal with it. Because they are actually good.
    —————–
    Still talking about that huh………2 posts later. (see “lions off to fast start” post)
    I thought you said “good teams move on”. Who can’t let go?
    LOSER……
    P.S. How did your starters fair? Cutler was 1 for 1 for 0 yards, and had no protection …and against the Bills who were not even scheming to stop anything yet.
    Say what you want…. You are officially pissing your pants.

  179. granadafan says: Aug 14, 2011 3:08 AM

    There’s hard-nosed play and hard hitting which everyone wants for their team. Then there’s outright dirty play, which the NFL should rightly curtail. A) someone could get seriously hurt, and B) they’re asking for a brawl on the field. (Note: I’d hate to be the poor sap who has to go against Suh in a fight).

  180. TheDPR says: Aug 14, 2011 8:22 AM

    Seems to me that most of the guys saying, “this is football” don’t really understand that “this is football and NOT the WWE or WWF or whatever the popular rasslin’ league is nowadays.”

    Picking up a guy and body slamming him is NOT football. It is bush league and it is dirty. Doing it to a guy who doesn’t even have the ball is even worse.

    It should never be condoned. Ever.

  181. comeonnowguys says: Aug 14, 2011 8:58 AM

    @honolulubluekoolaid

    There are kids starting fifth grade this fall that have never seen, heard nor smelled a Lions team that had a winning season. The tough talk rings a little hollow.

  182. rlouisbarrett says: Aug 14, 2011 9:52 AM

    “grabbing Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton by the head, knocking off his helmet and viciously slamming him to the ground” and “brutal (but legal, in the eyes of some observers) hit on Jay Cutler”? Really? C’mon man. This is a joke right? You’re clearly a Bears fan, as no one in their right mind would consider Suh to be dirty, nor would they consider pushing cutler to the ground after he scrambled past the line of scrimmage to be a penalty. Quit being jealous of Suh. It’s not his fault that he’s the best… oh wait, it is!

  183. cgalaxy says: Aug 14, 2011 10:05 AM

    Even if you don’t think the way Suh slammed Dalton to the ground is dirty (I definitely think it was), you can’t ignore the fact that it was clearly a late hit. Dalton had already thrown the ball, and it wasn’t like this was a case of the defender having too much momentum to pull away before hitting the qb. He doesn’t need to slam a qb to the ground who’s already thrown the ball. I’m pretty sure that move is not “how the game was meant to be played.”

    Suh’s an awesome player, and I hope his career just keeps getting better. Plus, he seems like a pretty good guy. But I really hope he rethinks his attitude on this one, or at least that his coaches “encourage” him to rethink it. You can be aggressive without being dirty.

  184. oriondude says: Aug 14, 2011 11:48 AM

    Maybe we should change rules to touch football for all you woosies.

    Also, they say female referees are coming soon so that would make you critics of Suh happy.

    Oh darn I broke a nail typing. got to go.

    If the Lions traded Suh are you telling me Da Bears would not sign him? Hippocrates!!!!

  185. sonniblakk says: Aug 14, 2011 12:52 PM

    Man…tell them dudes to put their chin straps on tighter! :)

  186. paulieorkid says: Aug 14, 2011 5:05 PM

    From just north of Pittsburgh and have been centered in the Steelers since birth, so not in any way a Detroit homer with a Lion bias or agenda.

    Here’s reality.

    Football is a rough game not meant for everybody. Suh plays hard between the whistles, VERY effectively. I LOVE that guy – wish he was in Black & Gold. Football is for those that have the skill, speed, strength, explosion and mindset to compete at the highest level.

    Football isn’t for everyone. And apparently, it’s not for many who frequent this site. Suh is a MONSTER. A freaking beast. Love him. Seems like a lot of you Nancys need to migrate over to SoccerTalk.com if they even have such a site.

  187. brewdogg says: Aug 14, 2011 7:58 PM

    @paulieorkid

    Here’s reality.

    Football is a violent sport, and people get hurt when the game is played the right way. I’m sure there are MMA and UFC sites that you can frequent if you want to see people trying to hurt each other.

  188. muchdrama says: Aug 14, 2011 10:36 PM

    Just another scumbag hiding behind words and trying to hurt people permanently. Makes me sick.

  189. kevpft says: Aug 14, 2011 11:09 PM

    Violent play is, without exception, due to players who either can’t win based on their athletic ability and skill, or are too insecure about their skill to allow themselves to be judged on it.

    Really. There are no other options. It’s one of those two, or both.

    What I also hate about these lunkheads is their lack of perspective about the value of the money they’re throwing away. Instead of pissing away $15K on a cheap shot, Suh could take that money and pay for a chunk of an underprivileged kid’s college degree. Or pay for a major medical procedure that someone can’t afford to have. Or bail out a family looking at financial ruin on a loan they can’t pay.

    But no, these jerks want to “send a message”. Well, they’re sending a message alright, and the message is that they are dishonorable. They are not true men, but pretenders at being men.

  190. k4aic says: Aug 15, 2011 12:58 AM

    Don’t know about that but Suh is lucky Andre Smith didn’t eat him after that play. He got in his face like he was a turkey sandwich.

  191. cabletech92 says: Aug 15, 2011 1:16 AM

    Dirty hit? Now thats a joke. He grabbed Dalton around the shoulder pads from behind and just threw him to the ground. It was not a body slam. A body slam is when you throw someone over your shoulder. Suh just grabbed him and pulled backwards to bring him to the ground. Dalton threw the ball after he was in the grasp. Suh even made sure that Daltons head didnt hit the turf. Whats next? Are quarter backs going to start wearing flags? I’m tired of this league trying to turn it into the national dont hurt me league. If the league keeps this up, in 10 years they will all be wearing flags there will be no losers. Only winners and every team will win the super bowl every year so no ones feelings gets hurt and after every game they will hold hands and sing “kum ba ya”. Dirty player? Give me a break.

  192. dewalt2990 says: Aug 15, 2011 7:25 AM

    It’s not that Suh is a dirty player, the game has become too clean.

  193. gnutella0 says: Aug 16, 2011 1:25 AM

    Ndamukong Suh plays football the way it ought to be played. He just needs to keep doing what he’s doing, and Lions fans need to pick up a case of Stroh’s and some Little Caesar’s, and enjoy watching the NFL’s next great defense terrorize the league.

  194. wicky888 says: Aug 16, 2011 4:19 PM

    Ive seen a few of his hits that were a little on the rough side (head and neck and body slamming and such), but the so called “dirty player” is all about hype. I didnt think many of Harrisons hits were worthy of the fines he got. Suh is just getting all the hype now, so he should watch it. Because, as stated above, if he ever hits one of the pretty boy qb faces of the NFL, there will be a Congressional Hearing.

    And I didnt think the hit on Dalton was dirty, his helmet just came off (probably cause he used someone elses helmet like Bobby Boucher cause he never plays) And the hit on Cutler last year was downright BS

  195. bearfan51 says: Aug 17, 2011 12:01 AM

    If there is even any question about him being a dirty player… then yes… he is a dirty player.

    If this post was titled “Is Charles Woodson a dirty player?”

    That would be BS…

    Suh… Yes… Trying to take a qb in preseason is dirty.

  196. comeonnowguys says: Aug 17, 2011 10:42 AM

    If this game is really too wussy for you, there are plenty of MMA options for you. I still would have thought the play would have been dirty had Dalton’s helmet stayed on.

    I’d bet a majority of Lions fans complaining this were also up in arms when Julius Peppers injured Stafford on a clean play.

    Can’t have it both ways, guys.

  197. oriondude says: Aug 17, 2011 11:01 AM

    bearfan51 says:
    Aug 17, 2011 12:01 AM
    If there is even any question about him being a dirty player… then yes… he is a dirty player.

    Glad you’re not on a jury bearfan51.

    I question your intelligence. Does that automatically make you an idiot?

    I leave with one name. Dick Butkus.
    ” Wikipedia:
    At one point, Butkus gained a reputation as one of the meanest players on an otherwise bad Bears team in the late 1960’s. During the 1969 season in which the Bears finished 1-13, the team played against the Pittsburgh Steelers at Wrigley Field in what would ultimately be the Bears’s only win that season. During the game, an incident with the Steelers then-rookie “Mean Joe” Greene led to Greene spitting into Butkus’s face and challenging him to a fight after Butkus committed what Greene considered a dirty hit on a teammate of Greene’s” ?????

  198. dannyjerome0 says: Aug 17, 2011 3:20 PM

    I remember when football was a tough sport. Today, it’s all about the quarterbacks and player safety. If I were getting paid millions of dollars ever year, I sure as Hell wouldn’t worry about concussions. If I wanted to watch a macho ballet, I’d turn on a basketball game. Football is a tough man’s sport, or it used to be.

  199. dannyjerome0 says: Aug 17, 2011 3:29 PM

    comeonnowguys says:
    Aug 17, 2011 10:42 AM
    If this game is really too wussy for you, there are plenty of MMA options for you. I still would have thought the play would have been dirty had Dalton’s helmet stayed on.

    I’d bet a majority of Lions fans complaining this were also up in arms when Julius Peppers injured Stafford on a clean play.

    Can’t have it both ways, guys.

    Sorry, I’ve been a Lions fan my entire life. I’ve lived in Detroit my entire life. All of my friends and family are lifelong Lions fans. I’ve never heard a single fan, radio personality, sports columnist or any other person affiliated with Detroit complain about the Julius Peppers hit. You are completely wrong.

  200. tatum064 says: Aug 17, 2011 9:31 PM

    comeonnowguys says:
    Aug 14, 2011 8:58 AM
    @honolulubluekoolaid

    There are kids starting fifth grade this fall that have never seen, heard nor smelled a Lions team that had a winning season. The tough talk rings a little hollow.
    ==================================
    Yeah, but they absolutely destroyed Green Bay – knocked their starting QB out – this is going to be a tough defense with Suh and Fairly..just the beginning …the true black-and-blue is back.

    HAIL MEGATRON!!!

  201. pantherdan says: Aug 19, 2011 3:16 AM

    I hate to say it but King Roger should have hit Suh for $100,000 for the pile drive he put on Dalton.

    That was totally over the top and the kind of thing that can snap a spinal column if a head strikes the ground wrong.

    I am all for letting them play but when some 320 pounder takes on a 200 pounder and flings him around it is nothing but a recipe for disaster.

    Suh acts as if he does not care…I know for a fact if he were to p’ee off the wrong offensive lineman he will be “rolled up on” and then…problem solved.

  202. billsfan007 says: Aug 19, 2011 10:22 AM

    That hit was 100% dirty. Yes football is physical, yes guys can get hurt, and yes its part of the game. But a line has to be drawn somewhere. The Cutler call is questionable, but the Delhomme hit was dirty too. Watch what he does to Dalton, not even talking about the helmet. He had him wrapped up and he still proceeded to slam him into the ground. So yes- Suh is a dirty player

  203. The Prophet says: Aug 19, 2011 12:31 PM

    He is dirty, and I don’t like it, but it’s smart overall. Any hesitation an offensive player or QB has with Suh coming shows its working. Rack up some fines but start to create fear that Suh can hurt you, and Suh wins. Small price to pay.

  204. bcgreg says: Aug 20, 2011 6:37 PM

    He may not be dirty, but he’s elfing stupid. This is the 3rd time he’s been fined for hit to the QB. And he’s only played one season and a pre-season game. When will he learn? When he’s suspended for 2 games? 4? When he costs his team a playoff game with one of his late hits? Or costs his team a game because he didn’t play? You can’t fling a QB to the ground!

Leave a Reply

You must be logged in to leave a comment. Not a member? Register now!