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Belichick says league wants to eliminate kickoffs

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Without question, the rule moving the kickoff point from the 30 to the 35 has generated more discussion and debate than any other rule.  It’s arguably caused more reaction and analysis than most other rules changes, combined.

Here’s the latest, courtesy of Tom Curran of CSNNE.com.

Patriots coach Bill Belichick said Tuesday that the league wants to eliminate the kickoff.  And that’s not an expression of opinion.  Belichick says that the league told him this.

“That’s what they told us,” Belichick said.  “I’m not speaking for anyone else.  That’s what they told us, that they want to eliminate the play.”

The league disagrees.

“[Chairman of the Competition Committee] Rich McKay and [NFL Vice President] Ray Anderson say that’s not accurate,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told Curran via e-mail.  “They said the Competition Committee’s position was that they wanted to ‘shorten the field’ and that the movement of the kickoff line would potentially reduce the number of kickoffs to be returned.  They said they are unaware of anyone saying that it was intended to ‘eliminate’ the kickoff return.”

It could be a matter of semantics.  The league wants to make the play safer by having the play unfold less frequently.  Each iteration of the play remains just as dangerous; the thinking is that, by running the play fewer times, the total number of injuries will drop.  And so if the rule change results in no kick returns, the play will be completely safe.

NBC’s Al Michaels said on Tuesday’s PFT Live that he doesn’t like the rule, and that he doesn’t think it will last.  Belichick explained that, for now, it will impact the decisions made when shaping a roster.

“If, instead of covering 60 kickoffs in a year you think you’re only gonna be covering 30, then is that coverage player as important, or — on the flip side of it — is the return game?” Belichick said.  “If you’re going to be returning 30 instead of 60, are the guys who block on the kickoff return [as important?]  If you think you’re gonna be returning more punts than kickoffs [there's a decision to weigh].  Usually you’re going to be returning more kickoffs than punts but if you think you’ll be returning more punts than kickoffs, then maybe you put more of a priority on your punt returner than your kickoff returner.”

He’s right.  Kickoff returners have less value, and a kickoff specialist who can put the ball into the front row — or who can hang it high and drop it inside the five — will have greater value.

Regardless, the rule has created a bigger reaction than anyone anticipated.  Peter King of SI.com pointed out in his latest Monday Morning Quarterback column that, in 2010, 16.4 percent of the kickoffs resulted in touchbacks.  The number surely will go much higher in 2011.

Whether that’s a good thing or a bad thing, not many people are calling it a good thing.

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  1. icelovinbrotha215 says: Aug 16, 2011 1:55 PM

    They might as well @ this point.

  2. duncanthecat says: Aug 16, 2011 1:55 PM

    He’ll figure out another way to cheat!

  3. weightshakes says: Aug 16, 2011 1:57 PM

    Just like they wanted to eliminate spying….

  4. offsideburns says: Aug 16, 2011 1:58 PM

    so in other words Bill, you’ll go for it on 4th down even more now.

  5. lacharger2112 says: Aug 16, 2011 1:59 PM

    Belichick has secret video tape of the office saying it!

  6. Ben says: Aug 16, 2011 1:59 PM

    He is right regarding the value of kickoffs and he is right about “eliminating” kickoffs. While I definitely think his statement is semantics, the changing of this rule is causing it to be re-thought in every aspect essentially eliminating what it was. The kickoff return specialist is going the way of the dodo with the rule change.

    It really doesnt move me one way or another. Id like to see players, both alumni and current, be the decisionmakers on things like this.

  7. nomoreseasontix says: Aug 16, 2011 1:59 PM

    Idiotic rule. Period.

    Another by-product of Goodell’s so called “leadership”.

  8. june20102002 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:00 PM

    he’s still upset they eliminated filming at workouts before a playoff, regular, and Super Bowl game.

  9. jakek2 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:00 PM

    Too bad they didn’t have this rule last year. As a fan of the perennial WORST kickoff coverage team in the league, my Giants would have been 12-4 and neither the Eags nor GB would have made the playoffs.

    Suffice it to say…I LOVE the rule change.

  10. colonelcamp says: Aug 16, 2011 2:02 PM

    It’s a bad thing in that the KO return is a pretty exciting play and losing it kind of stinks. On the flip side, it’s good in that these guys will at least have less of a chance of getting injured badly.

    These guys are, after all, human and not robots.

  11. greenbirdbacker says: Aug 16, 2011 2:02 PM

    RIP to the most exciting play in football, the KO return for a TD. Thanks, Roger

  12. killxswitch says: Aug 16, 2011 2:02 PM

    It’s a shame, a kickoff returned for a TD is one of the most exciting plays in football. You can almost guarantee the opposition will start on the 20 now.

  13. abp3377 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:03 PM

    how much longer are jet fans going to bring up the spying/cheating thing. it’s getting really old. not to mention numerous coaches saying at the time, that most people in the league have done the same thing. people should show this man respect. when he’s finally done, he will go down as the best coach in NFL history.

  14. pappysarcasm says: Aug 16, 2011 2:04 PM

    For a league that wants to increase scoring opportunities and increase excitement, this rule is azzbackwards! How about eliminating wedge blocking?…and/or make the kicking team line up in a symmetrical formation? …and/or make the gunner stay inbounds?! This rule is stoopid! There are plenty of other ways to make kickoffs safer!

  15. minkytails says: Aug 16, 2011 2:04 PM

    Remember a few weeks ago when Goodell got mad when somebody asked him if the league was getting “soft”? Clearly that’s what the NFL wants. Why not eliminate them altogether? just make a team declare if they want to do an onsides kick, and if not, the opponent gets the ball at the 25.

  16. comeonnowguys says: Aug 16, 2011 2:05 PM

    This may be positioned as a player safety issue, but the Crazy Tin Foil Hat Guy in me says it smacks of Bill Polian’s overall disdain for the play in general. Both the fact he’s never had a solid kick returner, and, oh yeah, that onside kick in that really big game a few years ago.

  17. colinito says: Aug 16, 2011 2:06 PM

    I’m all for making it safe, and rarely have argued against the changes the NFL has instituted for safety, but kick returns are not only an exciting part of the game for fans, they offer the opportunity for the losing team to turn the tables quickly with an exciting, catalyzing special teams play. I think the game suffers too much if this is taken away.

    The game is dangerous. Pay the players well for the risk, and cover those injured dramatically for life. If those concerns are met, there should be no reason to drastically alter the game we love so much.

  18. schemefactory says: Aug 16, 2011 2:06 PM

    now if they’d just eliminate the vikings….

  19. mthomashoover says: Aug 16, 2011 2:07 PM

    I think it’s AWFUL. Kick returns can be exciting, gamebreaking plays. Where are the stats on injuries occurring from the play? Is the percentage that much higher than it warrants its near elimination? I doubt it.

    This rule will be eliminated next year after we watched 17+ weeks of boring touchbacks.

  20. phillyj112 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:10 PM

    So if they get rid of kickoffs are they going to cut roster sizes? Because Im pretty sure the backups can handle field goal blocking and punt coverage. This is just another idea the NFL has to make more money. Smaller rosters = more money for the owners….think about it.

  21. pats4life says: Aug 16, 2011 2:10 PM

    So many haters lmao, what makes you say no other team has cheated some time, there’s so many cameras at every NFL game that it’s obvious once in a while someone is “recording” the game. Keep your jealous comments to yourself, that was the past and I think since then the Pats have proven they can win games without that.

  22. geniusesq says: Aug 16, 2011 2:11 PM

    If they eliminate the kickoff, they’ll certainly start eliminating the need for Special Teams players, and consequently reduce roster sizes. Since reducing roster sizes would result in the reduction of expenses, I believe Bellichick that the NFL wants to do this.

  23. hoobsher says: Aug 16, 2011 2:12 PM

    its a dumb rule that wont last much longer than this season, if even.

    you think the nfl would respond to a fan petition??

  24. baned0n says: Aug 16, 2011 2:12 PM

    And now that we’re gonna hit week 2 of the preseason, they probably have to keep the rule fo the year. If they decided “ok, this sucks” during the preseason, then teams have to re-evaluate those same special teams players that Belichek was talking about. So we’re kinda stuck, for this year anyway I’m guessing.

  25. rolandsloan says: Aug 16, 2011 2:13 PM

    If they elimiate Kickoffs how can they “Kickoff” the season? What about “Kickoff Parties”? “Kickoff
    Luncheons”? “Kickoff The Season Sales”? You
    get the idea…..Don’t mess with near perfection.

  26. malekmj says: Aug 16, 2011 2:13 PM

    People that hate on Belicheck are losers that have envy issues. And I am a Lions fan through and through. I hope you guys hate Schwartz just like you hate Belicheck in a few years…..because he is BETTER than your coach. Anyway, on point, this new rule may cause a guy like Stephan Logan to get cut. Kinda sad. He made the NFL more fun not less fun to watch.

  27. baned0n says: Aug 16, 2011 2:14 PM

    If they’re that worried about safety, eliminate tackles. Make it flag football.

  28. laeaglefan says: Aug 16, 2011 2:14 PM

    I don’t like the rule change, but it should help the Eagles. They’re usually among the bottom teams in kickoff return field position, both in kicking off and returning kicks. They haven’t had a consistently good return man since Brian Mitchell.

  29. mistersmith22 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:16 PM

    …but the league’s response is hypocritical. And telling. And disappointing.

    They couch the comments as a matter of player safety — that too many injuries occur on kickoffs But then the Competition Committee guy says their goal is to “shorten the field.” That’s not a safety comment, that’s a scoring comment. More points = more excitement, they seem to think.

    The NFL is not the NBA. For real NFL fans a 7-6 or even 3-0 game (the right kind, not the horrible kind) can be even more exciting than a 42-38 burner. They should not mess with a decades-old game just to artificially inflate scoring. That’s disgusting.

    And is the player safety concern even valid? What’re the stats of injury per kickoff vs. injury per non-kicking play — are kickoffs substantially higher? What about injuries on kickoffs vs. punt returns, which should be similarly dangerous, but nobody’s talking about changing the PR rules?

    The NFL is going to destroy its fan base. Every step they take is away from all the people that made them successful. They’re already HUGE, and in this case bigger is not going to be better.

  30. lifelongbrownsfan says: Aug 16, 2011 2:16 PM

    That’s an interesting theory, but it really doesn’t hold much water. For example, in the Browns-Packers exhibition game last Saturday, there were 10 kickoffs. All 10 of them were returned. What’s the difference? Only one of those returns made it past the receiving team’s 30 yard line.

    The NFL is saying these plays have a higher risk of serious injury, and they are right. The rule change has increased the risk of poor field position if the receiving team tries a return. So, the risk falls squarely on the coach to decide if he has enough faith in his return team to give him better field position than the 20 yard line.

    If he doesn’t, then perhaps he needs to grow a set and take the risk…or re-evaluate his return team roster.

  31. frumundacheese says: Aug 16, 2011 2:16 PM

    How would GB not make the playoffs? Their special teams are pretty consistently their biggest liability. Last year included. That’s where the Bears kill them when they do.

  32. lacharger2112 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:18 PM

    As long as Television gets their commercials on both sides of the play the league will be fine with it.
    It will go back to normal when television misses the extra commercial time that injuries afford them.
    It’s all about the $$ in the end.

  33. peytonwantsaflag says: Aug 16, 2011 2:18 PM

    Maybe I missed something but the one thing I haven’t seen is the stats that back up the reason for the rule change. How much more likely is there to be an injury on the kickoff compared with other plays? How much more serious is the typical injury on the kickoff? etc etc.

    The NFL’s done a lousy job selling this rule change – I mean as far as I know they might’ve done it just because a pencil pusher figure out they generate more revenue because of increased commercial time during a touchback than a runback> (nah, they wouldn’t do that would they?)

  34. travispeters1 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:19 PM

    Well lets jsut get rid of special teams period

  35. killxswitch says: Aug 16, 2011 2:19 PM

    abp3377 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:03 PM

    how much longer are jet fans going to bring up the spying/cheating thing. it’s getting really old. not to mention numerous coaches saying at the time, that most people in the league have done the same thing. people should show this man respect. when he’s finally done, he will go down as the best coach in NFL history.
    —————–

    Please. He cheated, he got caught, the league fined him and the team big time, and lots of people were pissed about it. The only people blathering on about how “other teams do it too!” are Pats apologists. Only thing worse than bringing it up STILL are Pats fans that are STILL defending it.

  36. hailvictory44 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:21 PM

    @jakek2….WRONG! Gints lost that game on a punt return for a TD, not a kickoff. So nothing would’ve changed from last year’s playoff bracket. C’mon, we all remember Cough out on the field about to stroke out in front of the punter almost before djax even crossed the goal line. Don’t you?

  37. jetsarestacked says: Aug 16, 2011 2:21 PM

    This rule favors strong defensive teams like my jets. However, this doesn’t take away from the fact that it blows. WTF is goodell doing?

  38. rushmatic says: Aug 16, 2011 2:21 PM

    I think this means the end for Brandon Tate and Matthew Slater.

  39. crumpledstiltskin says: Aug 16, 2011 2:23 PM

    100 bucks onside kickoffs (ironically more dangerous) rise in usage over the course of the year due to the move up to the 35 on the kickoff spot.

  40. whatwouldlombardido says: Aug 16, 2011 2:23 PM

    As long as the Texans play in this league, there will alway be returns…by opponents.

  41. Southpaw says: Aug 16, 2011 2:23 PM

    Why don’t they place touchbacks at the 30, and make it the kicker’s goal to pinch it inside the 5-10 like with punts? It would actually add a lot more intrigue to the play, rather than the kicker just booting it as far as possible and HOPING for a touchback

    The players have shorter fields, and the fans and the game get their kickoffs and big-play opportunity

  42. donttouchthedirtypenny says: Aug 16, 2011 2:23 PM

    The CFL starts all possessions after scores at the 35, with no kickoff. I guess the NFL could start all possessions at the 20 or 25. Most kickoff returns end up there anyway. Sad that a kickoff return for TD would go away.

  43. dude53 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:24 PM

    They’re going to eliminate the onside kick?….Let’s make the game more boring and add a few more commercials…great!

  44. sojumaster says: Aug 16, 2011 2:24 PM

    abp3377 says:Aug 16, 2011 2:03 PM

    how much longer are jet fans going to bring up the spying/cheating thing. it’s getting really old. not to mention numerous coaches saying at the time, that most people in the league have done the same thing. people should show this man respect. when he’s finally done, he will go down as the best coach in NFL history.
    ____________________________

    Really?? What other coaches admited to do the exact same thing?? There was a few that said they did it LEGALLY, outside of that, there was not one other member of any other NFL staff that admitted to doing the exact same thing. There is specific guidelines on what you can and can not do. BB decided he was going to do what he wanted regardless of what the rules were. BTW, I am NOT a Jets fan, so do not think its only Jets fans that will never forget.

  45. 3octaveFart says: Aug 16, 2011 2:24 PM

    “That’s what they told us,” Belichick said. “I’m not speaking for anyone else. That’s what they told us, that they want to eliminate the play.”

    As much as I dislike Belichick, I can’t see him lying about this.

  46. suckleague says: Aug 16, 2011 2:25 PM

    Let’s keep kickoffs and eliminate Phil Simms from calling games. Entertainment value just doubled.

  47. andrewfbrowne says: Aug 16, 2011 2:27 PM

    When they moved the kickoff back five yards about 10-15 years ago it was to help offenses score by making it so that there were more returns and a shorter field, it was also to sell tickets because the kick off return is an exciting play. Now they moved it up back to its original position to keep guys from getting hurt as often. There will be more punts because you will have an average of 6-8 yards of more field position to drive to get into at least field goal range.

    Scoring should go down league wide this year.

  48. mmmpieyummy says: Aug 16, 2011 2:30 PM

    This is ridiculous…let’s just have them line up at the 50 and alternate scoring drives to see who can score the most points…just like the stupid arena league.

    When is common sense going to bleed into these idiots’ brains?

  49. toddhaleysanger1 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:30 PM

    definitely less exciting.. it’s a useless play if you’ll only get touchbacks out of it..

    really ruins the game, and we get like 3 commercial breaks out of it..

    sorry Roger, these guys know what they’re getting into. Football is dangerous, we get it.

  50. commentcentral says: Aug 16, 2011 2:31 PM

    Belichick: If you think you’re gonna be returning more punts than kickoffs [there's a decision to weigh]. . .

    not if you’re the Bengals. You’re going to be getting way more kickoffs than punts.

  51. citizenstrange says: Aug 16, 2011 2:31 PM

    Is the league having the same over the top poop hemorrhage over this as they did on the N.Y. Times HGH testing article?

  52. denverwally says: Aug 16, 2011 2:31 PM

    abp3377, don’t sweat it. The haters have nothing. These idiots still think filming the opposition was illegal. It was absolutely legal, they are just too dense to even bother to checkthe rule. They could have filmed all day from the booth. They were penalized for filming from the sidelines, which the Jets had also been caught doing. And several coaches have come out since then and admitted to doing the same thing. No biggie. Its just the haters wishing they had Belichick as their head coach. Sit back and enjoy the hatred, don’t sweat it. Every time they pop off, its another feather in Belichicks cap! They would not even care about him if he weren’t so successful. Enjoy the whiners and haters! Have a good laugh at them.

  53. Richard Dickson says: Aug 16, 2011 2:33 PM

    Kickoffs were from the 35-yard line from 1974 to 1996. Can someone point out the boring games and widespread disinterest from that era?

  54. flboyindallas says: Aug 16, 2011 2:33 PM

    Silence! The Great Bill has spoken!

  55. trickbunny says: Aug 16, 2011 2:34 PM

    Player safety my ass. This has more to do with the NFL being tired of shelling out dough for medical bills on players who get hurt returning kicks.

    Move the kickoff to the 35 and the NFL potentially saves millions per year. Duh.

  56. dennis2488 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:35 PM

    goodell sucks.

  57. sj39 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:38 PM

    I swear I remember the kickoff always being from the 35. A few years ago they moved it to the 30 and now they have decided to move it back. Football will go on.

  58. glac1 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:38 PM

    I’m tired of hearing what Bill thinks!

  59. baugh316 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:39 PM

    I concur with Dick Dickson…No one cried about this issue when kicks were from the 35 for years

  60. denverwally says: Aug 16, 2011 2:40 PM

    Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, Mike Shanahan, and John Gruden have all said they routinely filmed opposition hand signals from the sideline. The Jets were ordered by the league to not do it in Foxboro the season prior. The EXACT same thing. And Bill Cowher said he had never worried about it as they constantly changed up their signals anyway. It’s easy to find the quotes. There is this amazing thing called Google, give it a try sojumaster.
    Yes, there is Bill Belichick, and 31 chior boys. Keep thinking that, you’ll go far.

    And I am in Denver, not New England. It’s gonna be a long season out here.

  61. drunkendegenerate says: Aug 16, 2011 2:46 PM

    “Tainted Lombardis: The Legacy of Bill Belichick’s Patriots”

  62. cranpa1 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:46 PM

    I wonder if Greg Schiano’s idea had anything to do with this. When Schiano was talking about this, it wasn’t even a thought on the pro level and no one on the college level took him serious.

    No mention of Schiano in this article, so perhaps the writers here should do some reading.

    http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Greg-Schiano-is-the-first-coach-aboard-the-anti-?urn=ncaaf-wp2221

  63. berniemadoffsides says: Aug 16, 2011 2:48 PM

    Well, how many kickoffs resulted in touchbacks in the past week? I’m curious to know what the %’s are.

  64. CKL says: Aug 16, 2011 2:49 PM

    malekmj says: Aug 16, 2011 2:13 PM

    People that hate on Belicheck are losers that have envy issues. And I am a Lions fan through and through. I hope you guys hate Schwartz just like you hate Belicheck in a few years…..because he is BETTER than your coach.
    ________________________________________
    I like Schwartzie. I’ll do my part to engender BB type fan hatred for him by continuing to point out here how he used to be on BB’s staff. :) I’ve said many times I think he will be the best HC from the BB tree.

    @ mrsmith,

    I agree, I love the low scoring games also. TO me they are more tense and exciting. It’s one reason I utterly loathe Arena Football and think it’s unwatchable. Someone did point out how the reduction in field position could hurt offenses more which could mean less scoring. Now about that PI stuff, comp committee….

    BB usually is quite non committal when asked about rules and says things along the lines of “we know what the rules are and we just have to coach them” or whatever. The fact he’s taking a strong (for him) public stance on this could mean he was vehemently opposed to it.

  65. sb50 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:50 PM

    you’ve got to be kidding me. the opening kickoff for every game is an exciting part. all of those camera flashes when the ball gets kicked on opening kickoff during the super bowl could be down the drain and thats an awesome sight during the super bowl. if they get rid of it then a lot of the excitement is not going to be there and i really think it’s going to hurt the NFL badly if they get rid of kickoff

  66. steelerhypocrite says: Aug 16, 2011 2:53 PM

    Wow, this guy is a genius…I would have never figured that out. In other news, Belichick figures out that Darth Vader is Luke’s dad…

  67. svcfilmguy says: Aug 16, 2011 2:53 PM

    He “misinterpreted” a very straightforward, easily-understood rule about videotaping practices…and I’m supposed to believe him in a dispute with NFL executives?

    Pass.

  68. unbreakable02215 says: Aug 16, 2011 2:53 PM

    As usual Belichick makes sense. “Cheat” people.
    You know as well as me you would drool, DRRRROOOOOOOOLLLLL if you found out
    he was going to be the coach of your team.
    Ticket sales and overall interest in your team would go bananas. Thru the ROOF !

    But you ain’t getting him. He coaches MY TEAM!
    Hahahahahaha !

    And his QB is pretty f#ckin good too, and you
    ain’t getting HIM either !!~! LOL. hahahahaha.

  69. oldhamletman says: Aug 16, 2011 2:53 PM

    the NFL has NASA logic…. reduce the number of shuttle flights and less people will die from solid rocket boosters… that way, no redesign needed!

    Kickoffs and punt returns are an exciting and game changing part of the sport…. maybe they should use some of that $9B to fund a better helmet design?

  70. mojoquasi says: Aug 16, 2011 2:54 PM

    Why don’t they do something useful and get rid of two of the most time wasting things that screw up football.

    The first would be time outs when a receiver goes out of bounds.

    And the second has to be that dumbest of all rule that allows a quarterback to intentionally ground the ball to avoid taking a time out.

  71. bertilfox says: Aug 16, 2011 2:54 PM

    Watching Belichick Press Conferences are unsurprisingly boring. However, in that context, you soon realize that he has a firm grasp on the English language.

    If he wants to avoid saying something, he does so deftly. Conversely, if he wants to say something (as he did about Mayo remaining an INSIDE LB earlier this week), he states it unequivocally. I don’t doubt the “League” (read; Goodell) said this in no uncertain terms.

  72. svcfilmguy says: Aug 16, 2011 2:56 PM

    *verbal dispute

  73. mojoquasi says: Aug 16, 2011 2:57 PM

    OH….shorter games mean less TV advertising money…….oops sorry, my bad.

    I forgot about the greed.

  74. bullcharger says: Aug 16, 2011 2:57 PM

    This changes the game too much. The Bears probably wouldn’t have made the superbowl in 2006/7 if this rule was in place. It doesn’t allow for teams with a game managing QB to counter balance with a great return game. It also doesn’t give teams with a big leg kicker any advantage at all. It probably eliminates nearly half of special teams effect on the score. Big mistake.

  75. cliverush says: Aug 16, 2011 2:57 PM

    Notice that the losers who say nasty things about BB are the first to comment. Nothing else to do out there in loserville?

  76. romoscollarbone says: Aug 16, 2011 2:58 PM

    The only person who suffers less chance of injury/impact would be the returner, no matter where you kick from. The guys blocking up front don’t know how deep the kick went, they have to block as if it’s going to be returned. Conversely the kicking teams guys can somewhat see, but they need to focus on what’s in front of them, ie a guy trying to knock their block off.

  77. weneedlinemen42 says: Aug 16, 2011 3:00 PM

    I prefer if the moved the kick-off back, but I suspect there is no going back, the league has to be seen to be doing something about head injuries in order to head-off the possibility of Congress getting involved.

    I know this isn’t a new rule, and that they used to kick-off from the “new” spot but all those touchbacks were damn boring.

    I say start the game on a 4th and 15 on the “starting” team’s 35 yard line. They can then either punt or go for it (the equivilant of an onside kick). At least then we might get to see some punt returns.

    I know some people took the ball out of the end-zone on kick-offs during the first pre-season game, but it is hard to believe that coaches wont require returners to kneel on anything that falls in the back-half of the end zone when the regular season starts.

  78. unbreakable02215 says: Aug 16, 2011 3:02 PM

    And the have the best owner in football. They’re also the best run organization in the league !

    Hate away ! LOL

    I’m am so sick of you Cheater people. I would
    rather have this guy coaching my team, this
    QB and this owner than ANY…ANY other combo
    in the league….AND SO WOULD YOU LOL.

    You’d piss your pants with glee if word was out
    he was taking over your franchise.

  79. skolvike says: Aug 16, 2011 3:07 PM

    I guess I fail to see the excitement of the kickoff since approximatley 99% of them are called back for either holding or illegal block in the back. Either eliminate them like this or modify the blocking rules for a kickoff so they can, you know, actually make a return that counts.

  80. bradentonbuc says: Aug 16, 2011 3:09 PM

    So the non returns go up to 30%, that’s 70% that WILL have a return!! What is the big deal? Eliminating a fundamental part of the game should be WAY off limits.

  81. JAM says: Aug 16, 2011 3:11 PM

    Roger Goodell needs to back off. Period. How many more changes is the game going to make under his regime? If it ain’t broke…

  82. oldbyrd says: Aug 16, 2011 3:14 PM

    I heard the league wants to to turn it into flag football. Give me a break. Its foorball

  83. TheDPR says: Aug 16, 2011 3:16 PM

    I have yet to see a coherent argument explaining how moving the location of the kick by five yards makes it safer.

    After every TD or FG, there is STILL a kickoff and the 11 men on the kicking team ALL STILL run downfield at top speed while ALL of the return team except the actual returner run into them with the force of a small automobile collision.

    If the ball lands in the endzone and isn’t returned, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE for safety? The blockers and tacklers – the ones who usually get hurt – are already engaged.

    So this rule effectively ONLY protects the returner, one out of 22 men on the field, and someone who rarely gets hurt anyway.

    Brilliant.

  84. erniecohen says: Aug 16, 2011 3:17 PM

    I suggest that they move the kickoff back to the 35 – the receiving team’s 35. Wouldn’t that create even more excitement?

  85. dontouchmyjunk says: Aug 16, 2011 3:20 PM

    Here’s the thing: Prior to 1974, the NFL kicked off from the 40 yard line. That’s right, the 40!!! That’s when they moved it back to the 35.

    What changed? Have kickers become that much stronger in those 35 or so years? And if that’s the case, why is Tom Dempsey’s 63 yarder made in the 1960’s still the second longest FG in NFL history?

    FG kickers should have hit a few 70 yarders by now.

  86. honkerdawg says: Aug 16, 2011 3:20 PM

    I’m all in favor of player safety so lets just give them flags on their waist and make it flag football thats where it’s headed.

  87. blackbug99 says: Aug 16, 2011 3:25 PM

    Let’s just do flag football on the kick!!! Or, like a civil war re-enactment, bang! You’re down…No I’m not! You’re down! Am not! Are so! If ya wanna make it a kiddie game you have to expect these arguments!!!

  88. kraigk1 says: Aug 16, 2011 3:26 PM

    And more importantly, how does this affect Brett Favre’s decision to unretire?

  89. tdk24 says: Aug 16, 2011 3:28 PM

    I heard Bill told his grounds keeper to rehash the field so every yard is actually 1.2 yards longer, in hopes of bringing back returns in his stadium.

  90. ace613 says: Aug 16, 2011 3:31 PM

    drunkendegenerate says:
    Aug 16, 2011 2:46 PM
    “Tainted Lombardis: The Legacy of Bill Belichick’s Patriots
    ————————————————-

    No- they really arent. Go to the Hall at Patriot Place. All 3 of the Lombardi’s are there at the end of the exhibit and they are really nice and SHINY!!! Not tainted one bit!

  91. theblowtorchreview says: Aug 16, 2011 3:35 PM

    What’s next? Pass routes across the middle and hitting the QB?

    We wouldn’t want any of those blingy WR to lose their earrings on a hit, now would we?

  92. dolphincritic says: Aug 16, 2011 3:35 PM

    I don’t think that the play is dead. The fact that the kicker is closer only means that less energy has to be placed on the linear axis, which should leave more energy for the vertical axis. In other words, the kicker can now kick the ball higher while still dropping the ball somewhere around the goal line.

    The extra time it takes the ball to land will give kickoff coverage teams more time to move into position for a bone crushing tackle on the poor slob assigned to returning the kickoff. Remember, last year the league amended the rules about blockers forming a wedge on kickoffs.

    Belichick is just moaning a little before he springs his new kickoff coverage scheme on teams without a clue, like my Dolphins! Make the bad teams run it out and keep the good teams deep with a touch back!

  93. chobes68 says: Aug 16, 2011 3:37 PM

    The only way they’ll significantly reduce injuries is by making it flag football.

    If its a concussion issue, lets compare how many concussions and head injuries are suffered by the linemen vs other positions.

  94. heyguru1969 says: Aug 16, 2011 3:41 PM

    OTHER KICKOFF IDEAS BEING CONSIDERED:

    1) Kicker kicks off normally from the 35, then immediately fall to his knees. All other players must start on and remain on their knees for the entire play. Like Pee-Wee football, but for really mean grown ups. Play ends when a player cries.

    2) Mandatory fair catch, with the ball placed at the 20, so at least you still feel like the play mattered a little bit.

    3) Everybody on tricycles! For extra style-points and action, add blindfolds.

    4) Instead or 11-on-11, make it 53-on-53 with the coaches returning the ball. “Rex Ryan is at the 5! He’s at the 6! He’s nearing the 7, and running out of steam fast!”

    5) Eliminate blocking, and both players and coaches would make sure the least-popular player was back for all kickoffs. Thinning the herd.

  95. drgreenstreak says: Aug 16, 2011 3:43 PM

    Billy, Billy, Billy! They said no cameras. Not kickoffs. No cameras!

  96. ace613 says: Aug 16, 2011 3:49 PM

    cliverush says:
    Aug 16, 2011 2:57 PM
    Notice that the losers who say nasty things about BB are the first to comment

    ————————————————-

    You know thats actually a great point. I can see about 10% of the posters on here doing the following:

    Refresh…Refresh…Refresh…….OMG!!! A Patriots story!!!! I have to comment on that cause they cheated!!!

    Repeat all the steps through out the day.

  97. cropslx says: Aug 16, 2011 3:56 PM

    I am a Panthers fan…several of our former players are sports talk hosts on the radio in Charlotte. One player said in the Super Bowl Tom Brady came to the line and called out exactly what 4 or 5 of our defensive players were going to do. They were stunned. The Panthers had never before ran that defensive play and was designed for a particular purpose (forgot what it was designed to get Brady to do). Needless to say the play did NOT work. The player chalked it up to Bill and Tom being football geniuses until it all came out about the taping.

    One thing I just thought of….how did they know the play before they had a chance to video tape it and the signals during the game?

  98. bradshawlives says: Aug 16, 2011 3:56 PM

    I can take or leave Belichick, but this story is about the kickoff rule. Why do all the idoits who have nothing intelligent to say on the topic have to make the stupid Belichick’s a cheater comments? It has nothing to do with the topic. Probably the same mental midgets who can’t help but show everyone how funny they are with the comments about Vick’s dog fighting or Rex’s foot thing. In other words – they dont know enough about football to comment on football.

  99. glac1 says: Aug 16, 2011 3:58 PM

    at least there will be fewer “illegal blocks in the back”.

  100. adstout says: Aug 16, 2011 3:59 PM

    Next Roger will eliminate crossing routes. Have you seen how hard some of those guys get hit????

    Receivers can only run go’s and hitches. Much safer.

    On a different note……a rule that also needs to be changed is the coin flip. Instead, set the ball at the 50. each team picks one guys to start from opposite endzones and on the whistle the first to the ball wins and chooses possession.

  101. paulieorkid says: Aug 16, 2011 4:11 PM

    Goodell continues to “vomit all over” the proud history and tradition of the NFL.

    Pink cleats for a whopping 25% of the regular season for all players and all coaches on all teams was only the start for this guy — he was just getting warmed up.

    Now I want to vomit.

  102. ehinote says: Aug 16, 2011 4:11 PM

    If they want to continue kickoff plays while making them safer then maybe they should:

    1. Move the kick back to the 30 yard line.
    2. The receiving team must have at least 5 players between the 40 – 45 yard lines (like always).
    3. Only allow 3 players from the receiving team to be farther back than the opposite 40 yard line. (That means the other 3 players must be somewhere between the 45 and the far 40 yard line.
    4. This will keep from high impact collisions as the receiving teams blockers must run back more than they can run forward, because contact too early will leave kick team players free to make the tackle.

    So instead of removing the possibility of having a kick return you are bringing players in tighter to keep from high speed collisions and having most of the guys moving in the same direction.

  103. adstout says: Aug 16, 2011 4:16 PM

    oh yeah…enough with the camera and spying jokes. not even close to being funny. theres always the few who post the most obvious but unfunny jokes.

    whats next, a vick dog joke or a bengals ‘the players wear orange cause they are criminals joke’. how about something a little more original.

  104. bozosforall says: Aug 16, 2011 4:22 PM

    ace613 says:
    Aug 16, 2011 3:49 PM
    cliverush says:
    Aug 16, 2011 2:57 PM
    Notice that the losers who say nasty things about BB are the first to comment

    ————————————————-

    You know thats actually a great point. I can see about 10% of the posters on here doing the following:

    Refresh…Refresh…Refresh…….OMG!!! A Patriots story!!!! I have to comment on that cause they cheated!!!

    Repeat all the steps through out the day.

    __
    Hey ace, how’s gary?

    You guys do anything ambiguous lately?

  105. PanchoHerreraFanClub says: Aug 16, 2011 4:23 PM

    Gee whiz, they used to kick from the 40!

  106. theytukrjobs says: Aug 16, 2011 4:26 PM

    Kickoffs are a fun part of the game. The high rate of injury is due to the fact that both teams have running starts at the ball. Just tweak things so that guys can’t get going quite so fast.

    I think it is dumb to just move the kickoff position such that more plays are touchbacks while the remaining plays are equally dangerous. The only outcomes are boredom and danger. It would be better if every play resulted in a return attempt, but that said attempts were less likely to create an injury.

  107. rcunningham says: Aug 16, 2011 4:26 PM

    It’s time to replace the kickoff with the XFL two dudes run and fight over the ball at midfield!!

  108. jakek2 says: Aug 16, 2011 4:26 PM

    fromundacheese and hailvictory –

    cheese – GB and NYG both had 10 wins last year. You made it as a 6 seed by winning the head to head. If we would have won 1 more game (and this rule would have done that for us, trust me), GB would have been a 10 win team that missed the playoffs. (11 win NO and PHI would have been the WCs)

    hailvictory – I wasn’t talking about the DSean P.R. game. I was talking about our other 4 losses of which at least 2 I can remember turning on numerous KICKOFF returns against us.

  109. Richard Dickson says: Aug 16, 2011 4:34 PM

    @ paulieorkid: Do you mean “the proud history and tradition of the NFL” that had kickoffs from the 35 for 22 years?

  110. insider7 says: Aug 16, 2011 4:35 PM

    I can’t recall Belichick ever taking a public shot at the league office. He rarely, if ever, does that. This tends to show that what he is saying is true. He veracity on this is backed up by the mushy semantic response by the league.

  111. comeonnowguys says: Aug 16, 2011 4:37 PM

    skolvike says: Aug 16, 2011 3:07 PM

    I guess I fail to see the excitement of the kickoff since approximatley 99% of them are called back for either holding or illegal block in the back.

    Sounds like you need a better special teams coach, not a blanket rule change.

  112. citiciti says: Aug 16, 2011 4:37 PM

    Let girl’s play and give everybody a trophy and ice cream!and what ever you do don’t BOOOOO the other teams players Give me a break. NFL=Not For Long.

  113. CKL says: Aug 16, 2011 4:38 PM

    cropslx says:
    Aug 16, 2011 3:56 PM
    I am a Panthers fan…several of our former players are sports talk hosts on the radio in Charlotte. One player said in the Super Bowl Tom Brady came to the line and called out exactly what 4 or 5 of our defensive players were going to do. They were stunned. The Panthers had never before ran that defensive play and was designed for a particular purpose (forgot what it was designed to get Brady to do). Needless to say the play did NOT work. The player chalked it up to Bill and Tom being football geniuses until it all came out about the taping.

    One thing I just thought of….how did they know the play before they had a chance to video tape it and the signals during the game?
    _________________________________
    Let me guess…the player was Brentson Buckner?

  114. paulbrownsrevenge says: Aug 16, 2011 5:00 PM

    Anyone remember the excitement and anticipation that came with the opening kickoff of a football game.

  115. ghostrider45 says: Aug 16, 2011 5:06 PM

    I’m a Bengals fan and watching all the jets fans rip Bill for cheating, when their strength coach got caught last year making a wall to hurt a opposing teams player…… I suppose they don’t see that as cheating. Stay classy jets fans

  116. Richard Dickson says: Aug 16, 2011 5:15 PM

    @paulbrownsrevenge Anyone remember the 59:55 of football that came after it?

  117. paulieorkid says: Aug 16, 2011 5:18 PM

    @ Dick Dickson:

    Nice name pal, did your parents hate you at birth – or was that just a coincidence and they later grew to hate you?

    Let me slow it down for ya, pal – I know things move a little fast for some in here.

    The proud NFL history spoke of concerned the decades of kickoff returns and coverage that have been all but nullified by the latest rule change.

    Prior rule changes were adopted because of stronger legs and engineered by the NFL to keep the kickoff in play. This latest rule change is the polar opposite.

    Try to keep up, Dick Dickson – I know things move fast in here, but you can do it.

  118. backindasaddle says: Aug 16, 2011 5:22 PM

    Kick off returns are a very exciting part of the game. This rule change is designed to nearly eliminate the play because the leagues lawyers are looking to minimize the leagues liabilities…..this time to overall detriment of the game. This is a perfect example of lawyers directly causing changes in the rules that almost all ‘football people’, coaches and fans alike, do not like. We need a commissioner and/or rules committee that will not allow themselves to be dictated to by lawyers. I’m not saying that we let savages run the show and turn the game into a gladiator type spectacle of blood and death for entertainment, but this particular rule change clearly diminishes from the overall excitement of the game and the football guys in the room should have grown a set, stood up, and fought against it.

    It’s plain that Belichick knows this, he knows it’s a mistake, and he’s exposing the limp-wristed person in power that allowed it to happen…Rich McKay.

  119. stairwayto7 says: Aug 16, 2011 5:28 PM

    Everyone complains about kickers so get rid of kickoffs and punts, start the game on 35 yard line, must go for it and TD’s only! When you score a run is worth 1 pt and a pass is worth 2 pts! Then all these ESPN losers will stop complaining that a kicker can decide a game when they sit on bench all the time!

  120. lanflfan says: Aug 16, 2011 5:31 PM

    Wow, a photo of Belichick without the hoodie of doom. That’s a rarity.

    As for his opinion, I’d say it sounds about right given the rule change (though improving player safety is always a good thing) but never underestimate what the winter weather may do to the situation or the stupidity of kickers.

  121. lowleadman says: Aug 16, 2011 5:33 PM

    For those (you know who you are Jets fans) who continue to bring up ancient history in order to hang your hat on, I would be more proud of a coach who tried every method to give his team an edge than one who is a mammouth mouth and major toe sucker, who predicts everything yet gets nothing right, who didn’t even know that his team was still alive in the playoff hunt, sort of the anti Belichek.

    Grow up and suck some toes and you feel better, like your coach does.

  122. tecmomike64 says: Aug 16, 2011 5:50 PM

    GOODELL!!!
    Leave the game alone!!!
    If it scares you, find another job!
    No one is making these guys play!

  123. drgfri says: Aug 16, 2011 5:55 PM

    @killxswitch

    Psssttt…… Hey buddy, wake up. It’s time to move out of your parents basement and get a job. Everyone has moved on. You must be a Jets fan, and to you I repeat…. Time to move on.

  124. Richard Dickson says: Aug 16, 2011 6:05 PM

    “The proud NFL history spoke of concerned the decades of kickoff returns and coverage that have been all but nullified by the latest rule change.”

    Yes — the entire 14 years we had kickoffs from the 30. However will we go on…

  125. ampats says: Aug 16, 2011 6:19 PM

    ghostrider says,

    “stay classy jets fans” which is like predicting snow in Miami for XMas.

  126. 28purple4mvp says: Aug 16, 2011 6:48 PM

    One thing I just thought of….how did they know the play before they had a chance to video tape it and the signals during the game?

    watching game film provided by the NFL

  127. paulieorkid says: Aug 16, 2011 6:56 PM

    @ Dick:

    Little slow on the uptake, huh?

    The kickoffs from the 30 were legislated in by the pre-Goodell NFL to prevent the elimination of the kickoff return/kickoff coverage due to the stronger legs and more potent techniques.

    The NFL will go on, but for any players/coaches/Belichicks/Ryans/fans who appreciate the kickoff return — it won’t go on in any realistic manner.

    But I guess you’re smarter than Bill Belichick, Rex Ryan and anyone else with a tiny hint of common sense.

    You’re like the Phil Luckett of the anonymous rabble of PFT posters. You’re clueless, but it’s totally lost on everyone but you.

  128. bozosforall says: Aug 16, 2011 7:14 PM

    ghostrider45 says:
    Aug 16, 2011 5:06 PM
    I’m a Bengals fan and watching all the jets fans rip Bill for cheating, when their strength coach got caught last year making a wall to hurt a opposing teams player…… I suppose they don’t see that as cheating. Stay classy jets fans

    __
    You mean that same “wall” that the Pats were doing just the month before (and got fined for)?

    Report: Patriots seen tripping, using sideline wall
    By COVERS.COM STAFF
    The New England Patriots employ a sideline wall – much like the New York Jets did last month which drew them a $100,000 fine from the league, according to a report Sunday by Fox Sports’ Jay Glazer.

    Glazer revealed video showing a Patriots player sticking his leg out in the path of an opponent’s gunner during a punt return.

    Last month, the Jets suspended strength and conditioning coach Sal Alosi after he tripped Nolan Carroll of the Miami Dolphins during a punt.

    New York special teams coach Mike Westhoff had accused the Patriots of employing similar tactics.

    Yeah, as usual, you guys always conveniently forget when your team cheats. LMAO

  129. bozosforall says: Aug 16, 2011 7:18 PM

    unbreakable02215 says:
    Aug 16, 2011 2:53 PM
    As usual Belichick makes sense. “Cheat” people.
    You know as well as me you would drool, DRRRROOOOOOOOLLLLL if you found out
    he was going to be the coach of your team.
    Ticket sales and overall interest in your team would go bananas. Thru the ROOF !

    But you ain’t getting him. He coaches MY TEAM!
    Hahahahahaha !

    And his QB is pretty f#ckin good too, and you
    ain’t getting HIM either !!~! LOL. hahahahaha.

    __
    You can keep both of your tainted idols. I’ll take my untainted ones every time over those two.

    Have fun licking their taints.

  130. bozosforall says: Aug 16, 2011 7:22 PM

    lowleadman says:
    Aug 16, 2011 5:33 PM
    For those (you know who you are Jets fans) who continue to bring up ancient history in order to hang your hat on, I would be more proud of a coach who tried every method to give his team an edge than one who is a mammouth mouth and major toe sucker, who predicts everything yet gets nothing right, who didn’t even know that his team was still alive in the playoff hunt, sort of the anti Belichek.

    Grow up and suck some toes and you feel better, like your coach does.

    __
    Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it. Watch for more cheating from Tricky Bill.

  131. bozosforall says: Aug 16, 2011 7:23 PM

    unbreakable02215 says:
    Aug 16, 2011 3:02 PM
    And the have the best owner in football. They’re also the best run organization in the league !

    Hate away ! LOL

    I’m am so sick of you Cheater people. I would
    rather have this guy coaching my team, this
    QB and this owner than ANY…ANY other combo
    in the league….AND SO WOULD YOU LOL.

    You’d piss your pants with glee if word was out
    he was taking over your franchise.

    __
    No thanks. You can keep those unethical POS chumps.

  132. richm2256 says: Aug 16, 2011 7:24 PM

    cropslx says:
    Aug 16, 2011 3:56 PM
    I am a Panthers fan…several of our former players are sports talk hosts on the radio in Charlotte. One player said in the Super Bowl Tom Brady came to the line and called out exactly what 4 or 5 of our defensive players were going to do. They were stunned. The Panthers had never before ran that defensive play and was designed for a particular purpose (forgot what it was designed to get Brady to do). Needless to say the play did NOT work. The player chalked it up to Bill and Tom being football geniuses until it all came out about the taping.

    One thing I just thought of….how did they know the play before they had a chance to video tape it and the signals during the game?
    ——————————————————–
    And so you have your “cheating” answer….. they DIDN’T have time. Maybe they just knew what the hell they were looking at? If Peyton Manning had done the same thing, would you automatically call the Colts “cheaters”?

    It sucks that other teams have quarterbacks who look at a defense and don’t know what the hell they’re seeing; Brady is one of the elite who does.

    By the way, in case you missed it the other 10,000 times it’s been stated here on PFT: EVERY team “films”. Even YOUR team.

    Because it’s LEGAL.

    New England didn’t do anything every other team doesn’t do, they just did it from the wrong position.

    Why do we waste our breath on you morons who think you’re favorite team doesn’t tape too?

  133. bozosforall says: Aug 16, 2011 7:26 PM

    adstout says:
    Aug 16, 2011 4:16 PM
    oh yeah…enough with the camera and spying jokes. not even close to being funny. theres always the few who post the most obvious but unfunny jokes.

    whats next, a vick dog joke or a bengals ‘the players wear orange cause they are criminals joke’. how about something a little more original.

    ____
    We could always post some of those stale Rex Ryan foot jokes that you idiot Pats fans post on every Jets thread.

  134. richm2256 says: Aug 16, 2011 7:26 PM

    28purple4mvp says:
    Aug 16, 2011 6:48 PM
    One thing I just thought of….how did they know the play before they had a chance to video tape it and the signals during the game?

    watching game film provided by the NFL

    ——————————————————–
    Apparently you missed the aprt where the Panther player said it was a NEW play they’d never run before ….. so how could it have been on NFL films?

    Maybe it’s a play the Pat’s had seen from another team, and Brady recognized the scheme at the line of scrimmage.

    Nawwwww ….. It’s not like he’s talented or anything.

  135. ace613 says: Aug 16, 2011 7:27 PM

    @bozoforall

    Well well its my arch-enemy. Here let me take a comeback from your book.

    Have I done anything ambiguous? I dunno- ask your mom. LOL (see I added LOL just like you do cause that makes it funny right?)

  136. tiffpats4eva says: Aug 16, 2011 7:50 PM

    So many epic failures on this thread. Wow!

    It would be one thing if any of you would have introduced “spygate” in a clever, witty way, but no one has attempted to do so.

    Yikes!

  137. drgfri says: Aug 16, 2011 8:06 PM

    @bozoforall

    “What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

  138. Richard Dickson says: Aug 16, 2011 8:48 PM

    I’ve heard the same “Oh the game is ruined!” with every rule change over that last thirty years.

    There was an average of 10 kickoffs per game last year. There were an average of about 140 offensive plays per game. So we’re getting upset about less than 1% of the game. And if teams have a good return game, don’t you think they’ll take the chance and come out of the end zone? That was still allowed, last I check.

    But why do I bother, you’ll probably just resort to making fun of my name again. Because you know, nobody has EVER done that before, you bold trend-setter you.

  139. Richard Dickson says: Aug 16, 2011 9:28 PM

    Bad math, 6%.

  140. paulieorkid says: Aug 16, 2011 9:55 PM

    Dick,

    You shouldn’t be involved with a discussion about football. You think discussions about the game are solved with miscalculated percentages.

    Tom Brady plays in 6.25% of the games. Let’s have the NFL legislate that Brady can’t play. According to you, a mere change involving 6% of the play means nothing.

    You’re very smug, but know little. Nice mix. The confident moron.

    If you don’t understand matters as well as someone as Bill Belichick and others who aren’t insane, and are then defiant about it — you just may not be qualified as an expert on the NFL.

    Dismissed.

  141. tedmurph says: Aug 17, 2011 1:48 AM

    @bozoforall:

    As usual, you never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Jets were fined for their sideline wall. Jets were also fined for Westoff’s comments. Pats were not fined.

    Haters got abused on this thread.

  142. andre10056 says: Aug 17, 2011 8:53 AM

    The kickoff return which used to be one of the most exciting plays in football has become the most boring play in football. In watching a couple of preseason games, I couldn’t believe that they had made that change. Is Goodell a complete moron?

  143. andre10056 says: Aug 17, 2011 9:01 AM

    And, as far as Bill Belichick is concerned, everyone knows that only the Patriots would even glance at other teams’ signals. If you look at the other team signaling, of course you know exactly what play they’re going to run. Just by looking! And that’s why every other team averts their eyes and doesn’t look because they’re 100% ethical. Even though they could know exactly what play is going to be run by just looking, they wouldn’t ever ever look. In fact, I heard that the Patriots have films of other teams’ games that they review before playing that team. Can you imagine? No other team would ever do that! But I heard the Patriots do! When is the league going to investigate and fine the Patriots for filming other teams’ games?

  144. cropslx says: Aug 17, 2011 9:11 AM

    @ richm2256 says:

    And so you have your “cheating” answer….. they DIDN’T have time. Maybe they just knew what the hell they were looking at? If Peyton Manning had done the same thing, would you automatically call the Colts “cheaters”?

    It sucks that other teams have quarterbacks who look at a defense and don’t know what the hell they’re seeing; Brady is one of the elite who does.

    By the way, in case you missed it the other 10,000 times it’s been stated here on PFT: EVERY team “films”. Even YOUR team.

    Because it’s LEGAL.

    New England didn’t do anything every other team doesn’t do, they just did it from the wrong position.

    Why do we waste our breath on you morons who think you’re favorite team doesn’t tape too?

    Maybe they video taped them 2 weeks during their practice for the Super Bowl. They don’t have a covered facility. OH…and you are BIG man hiding behind your keyboard calling people names. Would love to see you say it to my face!!

  145. bozosforall says: Aug 17, 2011 10:26 AM

    tedmurph says:
    Aug 17, 2011 1:48 AM
    @bozoforall:

    As usual, you never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Jets were fined for their sideline wall. Jets were also fined for Westoff’s comments. Pats were not fined.

    Haters got abused on this thread.

    __

    Haters “got” abused on this thread? Learn English first, Boston idiot, before you try to call me out.

    Pats weren’t fined because Goodell now has his head firmly jammed up Kraft’s butt and wouldn’t dare fine the Pats for anything anymore.

  146. bozosforall says: Aug 17, 2011 10:31 AM

    tiffpats4eva says:
    Aug 16, 2011 7:50 PM
    So many epic failures on this thread. Wow!

    It would be one thing if any of you would have introduced “spygate” in a clever, witty way, but no one has attempted to do so.

    Yikes!

    __
    Why bother with cleverness, when the term “Spygate” already stands for how pathetic your team’s past history is on its own.

  147. bozosforall says: Aug 17, 2011 10:33 AM

    drgfri says:
    Aug 16, 2011 8:06 PM
    @bozoforall

    “What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

    ___
    Rambling? Like your above stupid post? PLEASE CHILD.

  148. tedmurph says: Aug 18, 2011 12:06 AM

    Bozo:

    Seriously, That’s all you “got”?

  149. bozosforall says: Aug 18, 2011 1:17 PM

    tedmurph says:
    Aug 18, 2011 12:06 AM
    Bozo:

    Seriously, That’s all you “got”?

    __
    Which is still more than you’ll ever have, ted doof.

  150. tedmurph says: Aug 18, 2011 6:48 PM

    Magic post, what a wordsmith.

    How about ‘I know you are but what am I?’ That about your level?

  151. dave1961 says: Aug 20, 2011 1:23 PM

    stop hiding the real truth, the owners on this committee and coaches were all teams that had bad special teams units. Stephen Jones, Jeff Fisher, Rich Mckay, Bill Polian, Ozzie Newsome, John Mara, and Rick Smith…. all crooks…. whats a matter Ozzie, Mara and Jerry Jones…. you can’t stop Deshawn Jackson, Josh Cribbs so take them outta the game right…. what cowards.

  152. dave1961 says: Aug 20, 2011 1:30 PM

    Get a new committee and stop letting certain team owners and personal people dictate advantages for their personal teams…. crooked…Mara and Jones tagteamed Andy Reid with a rule to cut out DeShawn Jackson from carving them up. Ozzie Newsome joined them to eliminate Josh Cribbs….. Ozzie Newsome you coward of oz

  153. jgranata81 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:23 AM

    From what I have seen in the pre-season so far is that teams that normally would have just took a knew in the endzone when the ball went into the endzone now seem to take it out. I think players are still going to take the ball out and try a return because they know they have a chance to score for their team. The rule change will probably do nothing.

    To be honest I have been thinking Goodell is trying to destroy this league. For some reason his “safety” reasoning for things just isn’t making any sense.

  154. xli2006 says: Aug 23, 2011 1:26 PM

    Dare I say it as a Colts fan but, umm, uhh, ugh… I actually agree with Billy B on this. He’s got a point. I don’t like the guy, but he does make a point here.

    Yikes, that wasn’t so hard.

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