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Eagles offensive line still has major questions

Mike McGlynn, Howard Mudd AP

The Eagles have made a lot of good moves this offseason.  How could you not like their talent?

Yet I still see the Saints and Packers as the NFC favorites because their teams look more complete and they have better continuity.  There are plenty of questions about Philly’s defense and its new defensive coordinator.

And if there is a weakness of this squad, it remains on the offensive live.  Training camp hasn’t helped matters.

Mike Vick has no idea who will be protecting his blindside this year.

“I can’t tell you that right now. Why you asking me tough questions like that? Make it easy for me. I’m ready to go home,” Vick said Wednesday via Rich Hoffman of the Philadelphia Daily News, drawing laughter.

Last year’s right tackle Winston Justice hasn’t practiced because of a knee injury.  His backup Ryan Harris, picked up from Denver, is out with a back injury. Just like he was for much of his time in Denver.

King Dunlap will start the team’s next preseason game, which doesn’t make Eagles fans feel great. He’ll start next to rookie guard Danny Watkins, who has shown promise but also looked like a rookie at times in camp.   At center, the starter also remains uncertain.  Rookie Jason Kelce is battling with Jamaal Jackson.

Put all this uncertainty against the backdrop of a shortened offseason and a new offensive line coach (Howard Mudd) who is installing a vastly different blocking scheme. Some problems are to be expected.  Oh, and the old offensive line coach is now the defensive coordinator.

This doesn’t mean the Eagles are doomed, but the NFL has a way of surprising us every year.

It shouldn’t be a surprise if the Eagles are a little slow out of the gates with all this uncertainty.

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  1. joshuavkidd says: Aug 17, 2011 8:55 AM

    I think its comical how hard people are searching to come up with reasons why the Eagles won’t be good. Truth is their line wasn’t that good last year and they still won the division and despite how you feel about their signings, its hard to argue they didn’t get better. This is NOT the redskins team who stink every year and try to fix things in free agency, its an already good team that consistently wins who added free agents to get better.

  2. ebenezergrymm says: Aug 17, 2011 8:56 AM

    We’re fine there.

    Time’s yours.

  3. malblack says: Aug 17, 2011 8:59 AM

    The center position is a competition, and a healthy one, so no real worries there.

    RT is a serious problem from a health standpoint. If Harris is healthy he’s a quality starter.

  4. shamburg says: Aug 17, 2011 9:01 AM

    Tackle is definitely a concern, but both Justice and Harris are expected to return to practice next week. The competition at center is a good thing. They’re competing because they’re both playing well, not because they’re having problems. And Watkins had like 2 NFL practices prior to the preseason game last week. He has over 3 more weeks to continue his preparation.

  5. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Aug 17, 2011 9:01 AM

    I hate the Eagles with a passion if a statue was their QB then I could understand this concern but fortunately for them their QB is one of the best athletes to ever step foot on a football field. As much as it pains me to say this, they will be fine.

  6. b1rdbath says: Aug 17, 2011 9:04 AM

    This has been my concern the entire time. The O-Line is the weakest link on this team. Hopefully Mudd can work some magic.

  7. drmonkeyarmy says: Aug 17, 2011 9:05 AM

    Then, you look at the improvements made…Jackson is a much better C than McGlynn and Watkins is significantly better than Nick Cole or whoever they were throwing out there last season. Right tackle remains a concern, but if push comes to shove Herammans is more than serviceable out there. Also, the real problem last season was Vick’s blitz recognition. He took a lot of shots because he was holding the ball too long.

  8. ICDogg says: Aug 17, 2011 9:06 AM

    Even though Kelce is pushing Jamaal Jackson, that is not a bad thing; it just means that a promising rookie is doing especially well in camp and getting a chance to show what he can do.

    Watkins is learning a lot in a short time. He’s going to have his moments but he’s a smart, coachable guy with a lot of raw talent.

    Right tackle, of course, is another story, and a legitimate concern. They have to do something there, or at least get back Harris and Justice healthy.

    The scheme is a big change for most of the line; however it is not anything new for Peters, who played a similar blocking scheme in Buffalo.

  9. tonymission says: Aug 17, 2011 9:07 AM

    Even when healthy, Justice is a joke.

    Ask Clay Matthews.

  10. bdawk20 says: Aug 17, 2011 9:08 AM

    As much as I dislike Andy Reid as a game management coach, he has been able to keep the Eagles competitive with makeshift teams with below-average talented players whether due to injury or lack of foresight.

    That said, this year he has A LOT of new and talented guys who actually do NOT cause issues in the locker room, which should make for an easy transition into a “team” vs a Redskins-like debacle.

  11. dasportsninja says: Aug 17, 2011 9:08 AM

    I’d move JAson Peters back to Right Tackle. That’s where he played with Buffalo.

  12. jayco141 says: Aug 17, 2011 9:09 AM

    What I think is comical is that the Eagles fans think they have a shot with Vick at QB. He has never done it when it matters and either have the Eagles…How many Superbowls have you won?

  13. hoobsher says: Aug 17, 2011 9:09 AM

    cue the eagles hate speeches.

  14. inthecrowdlax says: Aug 17, 2011 9:09 AM

    Pittsburgh has a bad o-line too. How has that worked out for them?

  15. shamburg says: Aug 17, 2011 9:10 AM

    Bottom line… Talk to me in week 1.

  16. joetoronto says: Aug 17, 2011 9:12 AM

    Vick is gonna run into sacks no matter how good or bad the O-line is.

  17. seabreezes51 says: Aug 17, 2011 9:12 AM

    They’ll be trading Asante for a starting RT and a second rounder…….

  18. melonnhead says: Aug 17, 2011 9:14 AM

    This is NOT the redskins team who stink every year and try to fix things in free agency, its an already good team that consistently wins who added free agents to get better.

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    It’s also a team that suffers from bad coaching and player development. Hence the need for all of the free agents. Even top players still need good coaching.

  19. fillyfan9988 says: Aug 17, 2011 9:15 AM

    The Eagles offensive line was awful last year.Mediocre O-Line in 2011 would still be an upgrade.

  20. jfuzman says: Aug 17, 2011 9:16 AM

    I love the Birds, but the OL & LB corps are, indeed, concerns. Perhaps they’ll both be fine (or even good), but neither projects as the strength of the team and both have the potential to sink the squad’s hopes of grand success. It doesn’t mean that the Iggles are sunk, but it is surely an area to watch, especially when the season rests on preventing the Cowboys’ & Giants’ pass rush from crumbling M-Vick. I don’t like the ‘Pokes, but DeMarcus Ware is scary good.

  21. thefirstsmilergrogan says: Aug 17, 2011 9:16 AM

    if the eagles agree with your premise, and think the health of justice and harris is a problem, my guess is andy and howard mudd already have a list of right tackles, who, like stinchcomb of new orleans, will be cut loose in the next few weeks to make way for a younger cheaper alternative on their current team.

    in a pinch, herremans could kick out to right tackle and evan mathis would probably then move to left guard.

    i think they may add a vet linebacker who is a cap casualty as well.

  22. melonnhead says: Aug 17, 2011 9:18 AM

    I hate the Eagles with a passion if a statue was their QB then I could understand this concern but fortunately for them their QB is one of the best athletes to ever step foot on a football field.

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    They need a QB at QB, not just an athlete.

  23. phillybirdgang1933 says: Aug 17, 2011 9:18 AM

    Thanks for making other teams the favorite. If anybody believe you than maybe some of this hate and pressure will go away. (all because the eagles spent money this year)The eagles are making to many people frown now dayz. And this story sound like a hater story by the way. YOU CAN’T RATTLE ANY CAGES IN THIS BIRDS NEST…….move on

  24. ezdoesit209 says: Aug 17, 2011 9:18 AM

    Mike Vick will be running for his life come week 8.

  25. bleedgreen80 says: Aug 17, 2011 9:20 AM

    some of you guys type before you think if it offended you im talking to you

  26. joshuavkidd says: Aug 17, 2011 9:20 AM

    It’s also a team that suffers from bad coaching and player development. Hence the need for all of the free agents. Even top players still need good coaching.
    ————————————————–
    Yup, bad coaching is why they routinely win double digit games, have some of the best young players in the league and pulled in some of the top free agents in the league without going over their cap.

    Bad coaching is also why it doesn’t seem to matter what QB is under center they always seem to thrive here.

  27. ICDogg says: Aug 17, 2011 9:21 AM

    As far as Castillo taking over the defense, we haven’t seen that much yet, but most Eagles fans love what he is doing so far.

  28. robolundgren says: Aug 17, 2011 9:24 AM

    The Eagles are one big hit on Vick away from having the Dream Team on the field! You didn’t think VY was including Vick when he said that, did you? Fortunately, the kind city of Philadelphia chose a headstrong QB who doesn’t let things like booing get in the way of his entire performance. A good strong QB for a wholesome city. Match made in heaven!

  29. jianningwu says: Aug 17, 2011 9:25 AM

    I watched them last year, every snap. The o-line may have been bad at times (overmatched, hurt, etc), but Vick compensated for that.

    The Offesive line wasn’t an issue compared to D-line. (and the rest of the defense in general) They have done the best possible job addressing the Defense a realistic fan (is there such a thing as a realistic fanatic?) could expect.

    -Changed D-Coordinators (hopefully for the better, can’t say yet)
    -Brought in a proven d-line coach
    -Namm-D. DRC. Jenkins. Babin. Who wouldn’t want any or all of them on their roster?
    -Kept the young guys who showed promise (and consistency) and let go of guys who proved a liability.

    Who the heck needs to be “predicted” to win? Green Bay is the best team in the league until the first snap of the next season, then everyone is 0-0 and we begin again.

  30. caseysarasota says: Aug 17, 2011 9:30 AM

    i certainly am not an “Offensive Mind” but why wouldn’t they try to get Peters on that side OR even go out and test out Shawn Andrews again? i know he is injury plagued, but at least he is proven and will be solid. Winston Justice, King Dunlap…im scared every time they are on the field and without Vick our S.B. chances drop significantly. Anyway, just my 2 cents.

  31. wtfru2 says: Aug 17, 2011 9:37 AM

    The picture tells it all, even an old man can beat their line!

  32. nfcsouth says: Aug 17, 2011 9:38 AM

    I can understand the concern with the Eagles O line, but you lost me when you credited the Saints as a more complete team. Their O line is a mess as well. First team offense is unable to score a point against the 49ers? Goal line O vs. D drills doesnt produce a score until they go against their 3rd string? With the exception of one score from Ingram against the 49ers 3rd string, Ingram ran for 9 yards on 5 plays. Where does all this confidence in New Orleans come from?

  33. edukator4 says: Aug 17, 2011 9:38 AM

    shhh. dont tell eagles fans this. if you ask them every player on their team is the best in the nfl at their position. lets not kid ourselves, the eagles were good last year, should be better this year, but come on eagles fans simply stating where a weakness is on your team is not as negative as you are going to make it.

  34. 7to10for6allday says: Aug 17, 2011 9:39 AM

    Nothing to worry about. NFC east in the bag, 1st round bye, in the bag, champs?…..time will tell. Go eagles!

  35. rpiotr01 says: Aug 17, 2011 9:41 AM

    They can work around a bad O-line. Much bigger concern is that their former O-line coach is now a defensive coordinator.

    This isn’t street ball. Modern football is about match-ups and packages. Does anyone think the Saints D would be as good without Gregg Williams? The Packers without Capers? The Steelers without Lebeau? Even keeping their system in place, it’s not the same without that brain designing, planning, calling and reacting. Look at the Packers when they lost Jim Bates and replaced him with Bob Sanders. Same system, different coach, ultimately a weaker defense.

    The Eagles added talent on defense, no question. Now they’re on par with the other strong teams in the NFC. But who is calling the shots? I think it’s still a vastly under-reported aspect of what they’ve done this off-season.

  36. clintonportisheadd says: Aug 17, 2011 9:49 AM

    Certainly the Eagles are among the top tier of teams that are legitimate Super Bowl contenders. However, at the end of the day you have two MAJOR deficiencies with the Eagles.

    The first is Andy Reid. Great QB coach, great offensive coordinator, and terrible head coach. His teams have always underachieved.

    The second is Vick. His style of play guarantees he will miss (at best) 2-3 games this year due to injury and could (at worst) make Vince “Headcase” Young the starter for most of the season.

    As such, it would take all the right stars in alignment for them to win the Super Bowl. Could it happen? Absolutely it could happen but I wouldn’t be holding my breath.

  37. tinbender2000 says: Aug 17, 2011 9:55 AM

    If that guy wearing the hat is their new Right Tackle then yes, their O line is screwed.

  38. nasheagles says: Aug 17, 2011 9:56 AM

    The Birds still have options- like it or not… Hanson and Parker will be traded for cap space or a RT. The D upgrade means more runs for Shady and Brown and less hits on Vick.. if the Eagles only added Nnamdi they would have won every game they lost last year…with washburn and Mudd coaching the Lines. they will be the best. 2011 Eagles will be the GOAT

  39. alexnexus says: Aug 17, 2011 9:58 AM

    Yes: it’s easy o question a team that looks great on paper, with no more than a preseason game as part of it’s playing experience, and that is the ‘sexiest’ topic in the NFL these days because of it’s new talent.

    Yes, the Eagles have a lot to prove this season to quiet all the critics and to say goodbye to the myriad of speculation.

    And even though the Packers and the Saints are good looking teams, the Eagles almost beat the Packers last year in the playoffs. And this season the Eagles improved their chances of going to the SB, not only by acquiring great new players, but also great coaches and a new ‘go for it’ mentality.

    Definitely, the Eagles O-Line needs improvement, but with it’s new Defense every single opponent needs improvement it’s O-Line also, so it goes both ways.

    Go Eagles!

  40. randolph32 says: Aug 17, 2011 10:00 AM

    …and I thought the Bears O Line was a mess, they look strong compared to the Eagles.

  41. The Shoeman says: Aug 17, 2011 10:08 AM

    Seems some folks here, still believe the Eagles Front Office, doesn’t know what they are doing ?

    There is not much help left at the OL or LB spots. Once cuts start happening in a few weeks . . . the F.O. will be looking at the better talent available.

    the “master-plan” is in motion ,, with Howie and Joe at the helm . . . you just gotta believe.

    2011 Eagles . . . the best thing going today !

  42. really2011 says: Aug 17, 2011 10:10 AM

    nfcsouth says:
    Aug 17, 2011 9:38 AM
    I can understand the concern with the Eagles O line, but you lost me when you credited the Saints as a more complete team. Their O line is a mess as well. First team offense is unable to score a point against the 49ers? Goal line O vs. D drills doesnt produce a score until they go against their 3rd string? With the exception of one score from Ingram against the 49ers 3rd string, Ingram ran for 9 yards on 5 plays. Where does all this confidence in New Orleans come from?

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    The Eagles will be fine. The O-Line and LB core will not be a strength but at the same time, that shouldn’t stop them from winning the division and going to the playoffs. Not really sure about O-Line coach turned Def Coord either but enough talent to mask all of those deficiencies.

    In terms of this commentary… Since you are well versed on the Saints (read a lot of nola.com), I am assuming you are aware that there are two changes to the O-Line from the 2010 #6 offense – both of which could be considered upgrades or at least neutral moves. Olin Kruetz for Jon Goodwin – I’ll call a wash and Charles Brown/Zach Strief as compared to a one legged Stinchcomb – I’ll also call a wash at worst. Add Ingram and Sproles for good measure.

    Insert commercial – Since the first preseason game is the premise for the opinion… Browns beat Packers on way to championship, oh wait Redskins beat Steelers on way to championship, oh wait it’s week 1 of the presason.

    Add in the #4 Defense that added two solid DT’s, (hopefully that takes care of future Lynch runs), another talented corner, more talent at LB and I think it’s easy to see why the Saints are in the conversation.

    After all of that let me say that the World Champion Green Bay Packers are absolutely the team to beat in the NFC.

  43. n0hopeleft says: Aug 17, 2011 10:13 AM

    The over confidence from Eagles fans on this post is comical. You are in a division with two of the best D Lines in the NFL.
    It is absolutely no secret that most of the high level games in this league are won in the trenches.

    Lets not forget, the Eagles BARELY won the division. Did they complete a baffling comeback against NY, absolutely. However, do not deny – it was a miracle.

    You can’t convince me that Vick isn’t in danger during almost every passing play. Jason Pierre-Paul and DeMarcus Ware are tired of hearing about him – and they are determined to do something about it.
    Good luck with that.

    It will be a problem come January.

  44. wetdentist says: Aug 17, 2011 10:21 AM

    Eagles fans may laugh at this (and i am one of them) but i remember last year Shawn Andrews kept both Trent Cole & DeMarcus Ware in check . . . he is currently available

  45. lpd1964 says: Aug 17, 2011 10:21 AM

    Maybe a better question for the “Dream “Team” is, who is playing linebacker??

  46. jw731 says: Aug 17, 2011 10:28 AM

    No…..Whats comical is putting Jason Pierre Paul in the same sentence as Demarcus Ware…..Gotta be a G-hens fan butt hurt after six straight losses to the birds….I’m an Eagles fan, and i’m not sitting here calling it the dream team or whatever…But please, don’t put Pierre Paul in the same breath as Ware…Offensive game plans are made around Ware…It’s a miracle you actually compared the two……..

  47. sdw2001 says: Aug 17, 2011 10:29 AM

    melonnhead says:
    Aug 17, 2011 9:14 AM

    It’s also a team that suffers from bad coaching and player development. Hence the need for all of the free agents. Even top players still need good coaching.
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    Huh? The Eagles have the longest tenured coach in the NFL. Many of their coaches have gone on to be head coaches and successful coordinators. The coaching staff found a way to win with players that were at times not the best. And player development? That’s nonsense. Some players develop into great ones, some don’t. Many of their top players were drafted, such as McCoy, Jackson and Maclin. What’s funny is that you’re actually criticizing them for being aggressive in free agency.

  48. sdw2001 says: Aug 17, 2011 10:31 AM

    Back to the article: It’s dumb. The offensive line was HORRIBLE last year. All they have done is improve it. No one is expecting them to be in top form in Week 1. But if they get even 20% better than last year, it bodes well for the team.

  49. rickycubane says: Aug 17, 2011 10:42 AM

    melonnhead says:
    Aug 17, 2011 9:14 AM

    —————————It’s also a team that suffers from bad coaching and player development. Hence the need for all of the free agents. Even top players still need good coaching.

    ————————————————-

    i KNOW RIGHT!!!!!

    they suck at developing players!

    i mean they cant draft anyone who ends up developing… SHADY.. DJAX… MACLIN… CELEK… T COLE…Herremans…

    c’mon man they drafted the best weapons in the league

  50. RussianBreadMaker says: Aug 17, 2011 10:53 AM

    So much for a dream team.

  51. redskinfootball172226 says: Aug 17, 2011 10:54 AM

    Filthadelphia eagles….winners of consistently winning nothing….the only thing that matters is the SB…and you my friends have zippy.

  52. jnks10 says: Aug 17, 2011 11:01 AM

    If an improved offensive line is our biggest concern than i am one happy eagles fan.

    And the fact that everyone is counting on Vick to just be hurt and every hater uses the same line, when vick gets hurt your screwed. What about brady’s knee, mannings neck, eli manning well if he gets hurt that helps the gaints, romos collerbone, and ben r could attack another girl. Every qb has the chance of being hurt but the fact is who has the best back up? Vince Young’s winning percentage would say it’s him.

  53. snowpea84 says: Aug 17, 2011 11:07 AM

    Their biggest question is prolly, “Why is Vick under center? That guy makes us look so bad cause he never has any idea what the defense is doing.”

  54. jnks10 says: Aug 17, 2011 11:07 AM

    And the 0 super bowls is another funny arguement especially when its people like Cowboys fans who half of them are 17 and weren’t even born the last time their team won the superbowl. Come on would I be happier if the eagles won a superbowl in the 70s. You guys are pathetic hahahaha.

  55. daddyblack702 says: Aug 17, 2011 11:14 AM

    You can’t convince me that Vick isn’t in danger during almost every passing play. Jason Pierre-Paul and DeMarcus Ware are tired of hearing about him – and they are determined to do something about it.
    Good luck with that.
    _________________________________

    Can’t Wait!!!!!!!

  56. clintonportisheadd says: Aug 17, 2011 11:16 AM

    melonnhead says:
    Aug 17, 2011 9:14 AM

    The Eagles have the longest tenured coach in the NFL…………

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    So the Eagles are like the Utah Jazz/Jerry Sloan of the NFL?

  57. hobartbaker says: Aug 17, 2011 11:18 AM

    Mike Vick will tell you one thing, the line has some work to do. The old guy in the Tilly hat got to him for three clean sacks last scrimmage.

  58. daddyblack702 says: Aug 17, 2011 11:18 AM

    It’s funny, after reviewing last years stats, it appears the teams that had the best OL in terms of sacks and QB hits given up, ALL went 1 and done last year however the team that won the SB finished 19th overall, and their opponent finished 23. the Steelers only gave up 6 fewer sacks than the Eages who finished last year at 29. Moral to the story, THIS IS A BUNCH OF CRAP, AND SHOWS THE HATERS AT WORK, TRYING THEIR HARDEST TO HIDE THEIR FEAR OF THE GREATEST TEAM EVER ASSEMBLED.

  59. myeaglescantwin says: Aug 17, 2011 11:18 AM

    The only goal should be the super bowl . but that is not the only thing that matters. Half of you clown ass posters are fans of teams that might win 10 games once every 5 years, get real.

    Andy is not a gametime coach. TRUE. but he puts together some real talent through the draft. Our team was built through the draft. we went crazy on the FA’s cause it is believed that its superbowl or bust for the fat man this year.

    Saints and Packers are still more complete teams than the Eagles. definitely no a dream team, that Ass clown VY said that, not any of our leaders, coaches or players that have been here for more than a month.

    talk to me in december & getcha popcorn ready.

  60. kidzaround says: Aug 17, 2011 11:23 AM

    “I can’t tell you that right now. Why you asking me tough questions like that? Make it easy for me. I’m ready to go home,” Vick said Wednesday via Rich Hoffman of the Philadelphia Daily News, drawing laughter.

    __________________________________

    I thought this was a joke qoute, but found nothing to back it up. If this is truely what Vick said, it’s a scary thing for Eagles fans. QB’s have to take the heat, on and off the field. If he’s afraid to answer the tough questions, what else is he afraid of?

    As for their expectations, I can’t recall any team in recent history that signed so many top players, were expected to be Superbowl contenders and won the Superbowl. It’s actually happened in year 1 and 2 of the TO stint for the Eagles.

    Championships are won in Febuary not March (for this year it’s August – you get my drift).

  61. daddyblack702 says: Aug 17, 2011 11:23 AM

    I also noticed people have toned down the rhetoric that you can’t win a SB in FA. Don’t tell the Saints that.

  62. duncanthecat says: Aug 17, 2011 11:24 AM

    Do you guys even have a quality punter yet.

    Reminds me of the 2000 Dream Team Redskins.

    OL was awful, no punter and absolutely no chemistry on defense. Bruce Smith and Deon Sanders collected a bunch of $$$ though.

    Crazy to bet your home on this group to collect a championship.

  63. kidzaround says: Aug 17, 2011 11:26 AM

    jnks10 says:
    Aug 17, 2011 11:07 AM
    And the 0 super bowls is another funny arguement especially when its people like Cowboys fans who half of them are 17 and weren’t even born the last time their team won the superbowl. Come on would I be happier if the eagles won a superbowl in the 70s. You guys are pathetic hahahaha.
    _________________________________

    The Cowboys have the same amount of Superbowl victories this past decade as the Eagles. Doesn’t make any difference if you’re 2nd or 32nd….you don’t get a prize. Trent Dilfer has more Superbowl rings than Vick and McNabb combined. hahahaha.

  64. pigskinswag says: Aug 17, 2011 11:35 AM

    Vick’s mobility makes this less of an issue than it would be for other teams. But offensive line is an issue and for all the Eagle marks, pointing out the fact that there are questions on the Eagles offensive line does not make you a “hater”, it makes you cognitive of the facts. I’ve got two words for the Eagles: Jon Stinchcomb. He has the experience and is a solid RT when healthy. Because of his injury concerns and the fact that his 2011 salary is fully guaranteed by New Orleans, he should come relatively cheap.

  65. darrkkomens says: Aug 17, 2011 11:42 AM

    Might sound crazy or even stupid to some but they need to bring back Shawn Andrews if he’s healthy.. He would be a very low risk, very high reward… if he is healthy he knows the offense and can be the best Right Tackle in the league

  66. pigskinswag says: Aug 17, 2011 11:42 AM

    I can understand the concern with the Eagles O line, but you lost me when you credited the Saints as a more complete team. Their O line is a mess as well.
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    You lost me when you made this comment. How is the Saints O-Line a mess? I think you like many people have read waaaay too much into the first PRESEASON game after a lengthy LOCKOUT and condensed traning camp. Even with the release of Stinchcomb we still have a very formidable offensive line down here in New Orleans. And plus we know who are the starters: LT Bushrod, LG Nicks C Kreutz RG Evans RT Strief
    Zach Strief has started at both tackle positions before and has been in the system for five seasons, so he should make a smooth transition to the starting lineup. Even though Kreutz is near the end of his career, he is still one of the best centers around, and PLEASE tell me what team has a better guard combination than the Saints combo of Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks?

  67. melonheadsdaddy says: Aug 17, 2011 11:49 AM

    Michael Vick killed dogs?

  68. kidzaround says: Aug 17, 2011 11:55 AM

    I believe the Cowboys and Eagles BOTH will start out slowly. The Cowboys because they are installing a new defense. I think they’ll come around at the end of the season. With all the new players, the Eagles will have a tough time getting to know each other and the schemes. Plus, their D-Coordinator was an O-Line coach last year. I think it’s going to be very interesting at the end of the season. My prediction will be that one is something like 9-7 and the other will be 10-6.

  69. radrntn says: Aug 17, 2011 11:59 AM

    as a raider fan i have witnessed where on paper the raiders had some of the best players, but never had a good team with them…Raiders now have a few guys that came from elsewhere (Seymour , Wimbley, Campbell) but most are guys that are raiders from day one, and are all part of a team….I am just curious how eagles can gel as a team….on paper they are 2nd best in the NFC, (until someone dethrones you , pack has to be #1) and probably # 5 in the NFL. Want to see how it translate to the field.

    People can say what they want about LeBron, but the heat still went to the championship this year.

  70. innerlign says: Aug 17, 2011 12:03 PM

    Michael Vick is slime.

  71. Mr. Wright 212 says: Aug 17, 2011 12:07 PM

    No one is going out of their way to find fault with the Eagles (to the OP), and no one is scared of them. Those are glaring weaknesses anda team that builds from within with continuity is one that wins.

  72. kidzaround says: Aug 17, 2011 12:13 PM

    People can say what they want about LeBron, but the heat still went to the championship this year.

    ________________________________

    Where LeBron was humiliated in front of a national audience.

    “Jordan won six championships!”

    “That’s your ONLY argument?”

    “IT’S THE ONLY ARGUMENT I NEED, SHAWN!”

  73. thephillyminority says: Aug 17, 2011 12:24 PM

    I’m so tired of hearing about how Castillo (our old O-line coach for over a decade) will be a horrible Def. Coordinator. If anyone, esp. the press, would do their due diligence, they would discover that the majority of Juan Castillo’s coaching career was on the Defensive side of the ball (albeit not necessarily at the pro level). Stop riding him, he will be a great improvement over McDermitt…

  74. Mr. Wright 212 says: Aug 17, 2011 12:38 PM

    kidzaround says: Aug 17, 2011 11:26 AM

    jnks10 says:
    Aug 17, 2011 11:07 AM
    And the 0 super bowls is another funny arguement especially when its people like Cowboys fans who half of them are 17 and weren’t even born the last time their team won the superbowl. Come on would I be happier if the eagles won a superbowl in the 70s. You guys are pathetic hahahaha.
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    The Cowboys have the same amount of Superbowl victories this past decade as the Eagles. Doesn’t make any difference if you’re 2nd or 32nd….you don’t get a prize. Trent Dilfer has more Superbowl rings than Vick and McNabb combined. hahahaha.
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    Yet that hasn’t stopped Eagles fans from bragging about being 50-year also-rans and reveling in regular season wins that no one cares about.

  75. cmarsh64 says: Aug 17, 2011 12:46 PM

    T o the person who posted how many Superbowls do the Cowboys and Eagles have the past decade? Exactly Zero…but does that mean teams like the 49er’s who where the best in the 80′s Cowboys in the 90′s Patriots 00′ and if you go back to the 70′s Steeler’s and 60′s Packer’s. Here are the facts:18 different teams have won the Super Bowl. •6 for the Pittsburgh Steelers
    •5 each for 2 teams: Dallas Cowboys, San Francisco 49ers
    •4 for the Green Bay Packers
    •3 each for 4 teams: New England Patriots, New York Giants, Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders, Washington Redskins
    •2 each for 3 teams : Denver Broncos, Miami Dolphins, Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts
    •1 each for 7 teams : Baltimore Ravens, Chicago Bears, Kansas City Chiefs, New York Jets, St. Louis/Los Angeles Rams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and the New Orleans Saints.
    So out of 32 teams 18 have won it all and nowhere on this list are the Eagles listed,until you make this list anything an Eagles fan says is just talk PERIOD! I forgot one thing the Eagles do have that no other team has in there stadium,A JAIL and COURT ROOM for those fans who can’t control themselves only team in the NFL that has these 2 things. You should be proud!

  76. Mr. Wright 212 says: Aug 17, 2011 1:09 PM

    You can be sick of hearing about Castillo all you want, he has never been an NFL DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR. And likewise, with actual cause, the rest of us are sick of hearing from Eagles fans trying to dismiss that as nothing short of a major red flag. McDermott was awful and as it stands, no one in their right mind should believe Castillo is an upgrade.

  77. kevinfromphilly says: Aug 17, 2011 1:10 PM

    To the guys suggesting they bring back Shawn Andrews:

    The Eagles will hire me to be their starting RT before they’d resign that crazy SOB, and I’m 6’0″ 230 lbs.

  78. zeussuperman says: Aug 17, 2011 1:27 PM

    duncanthecat says: Aug 17, 2011 11:24 AM

    Do you guys even have a quality punter yet.

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    Drafted the Ray Guy award winner in college last year. So yeah, we have a punter.

  79. zeussuperman says: Aug 17, 2011 1:30 PM

    Mr. Wright 212 says: Aug 17, 2011 12:38 PM

    Yet that hasn’t stopped Eagles fans from bragging about being 50-year also-rans and reveling in regular season wins that no one cares about.

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    Oh, you’re right. If ONLY we could be the model of humility and professionalism that are the fans of the Dallas Cowboys!

    If you still call your team “America’s Team” — no, I’m sorry, no matter how many nicknames the new flash-in-the-pan team gets… you’re still the biggest D-Bags in the NFL.

  80. Mr. Wright 212 says: Aug 17, 2011 1:34 PM

    I’m a Giants fan, and unlike Eagles fans, we are quick to point out how we worry about certain positions and don’t anoint ourselves as Super Bowl champions before the season even begins.

  81. norcaleagles says: Aug 17, 2011 1:48 PM

    Major questions for the O-line?? Yeah, I’d say RT is up in the air, but 1st round pick Danny Watkins looks like he’ll be solid at right guard and if Kelce beats out Jamaal Jackson for the starting center position then its well deserved. Jamaal Jackson has proven to be one of the most solid centers in the league so if Kelce beats him out then I’ll be expecting the same thing out of him, if not more. So, I’d agree that right tackle is a question mark, but not our whole offensive line. In fact, I think we’ll have one of the best O-lines in football. Watkins will definitely improve our run game to the right side. Jason Peters and Todd Herremans make up one of the strongest left sides of the line in the league. And to everyone who wants to dissect the Eagles and break them down so you can try to convince yourself that they will fail; lets break down YOUR team. Im sure there will most likely be even more weaknesses on your squad. So LB and RT might be a question mark for Philly. Thats about it. Im confident in our secondary( including our young safetys. Our D-line looks solid. Our TEs look good. Our RBs look great! Our QB looks great!

  82. fmwarner says: Aug 17, 2011 1:54 PM

    jayco141 says: Aug 17, 2011 9:09 AM

    What I think is comical is that the Eagles fans think they have a shot with Vick at QB. He has never done it when it matters and either have the Eagles…How many Superbowls have you won?
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    Really? You know, I never thought about it like that. He’s right! Neither Vick nor the Eagles have ever won a Super Bowl. Why hasn’t anyone made this point before now?

    Oh wait…I just looked up some stuff. Aaron Rodgers hadn’t won a Super Bowl before last year, but then he went right ahead and won one! Believe it or not, the Saints hadn’t won one either before they did it in 2010! Apparently it IS possible to win a Super Bowl for the first time. It’s hard to believe that the keen insight of jayco141 has failed us, but it’s true.

  83. Mr. Wright 212 says: Aug 17, 2011 2:08 PM

    Difference being, Green Bay is a complete team, Philly is NOT.

  84. nfcsouth says: Aug 17, 2011 2:35 PM

    pigskinswag says:

    ***Zach Strief has started at both tackle positions before and has been in the system for five seasons, so he should make a smooth transition to the starting lineup. Even though Kreutz is near the end of his career, he is still one of the best centers around, and PLEASE tell me what team has a better guard combination than the Saints combo of Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks?
    The Saints likely will start Jermon Bushrod at left tackle, generally the highest-paid position on an offensive line. They’re letting Zach Strief and Charles Brown compete for Stinchcomb’s old starting job.***

    Well, you may be half right,

    Carl Nicks was actually rated last year as the top guard in the NFL with a 26.2 rating. Evans came out 31st overall with a 0.2 rating, mostly thanks to all the penalties he suffered (2nd worse of all NFL guards).

    So you have one good guard, a Center doing a farewell tour of the NFL via New Orleans and then there are the tackles.

    Bushrod is scheduled to make $1 million in base salary this season and could earn up to $150,000 more in incentives. That’s got to rank him among the lowest-paid starting left tackles in the NFL. There are backups who make more than that.

    Right tackles don’t make as much as left tackles, but the theme is similar here. The Saints don’t have a lot of money invested in Strief or Brown. Strief is scheduled to make $1 million in base salary this year. Brown has a $450,000 base salary and a $310,000 roster bonus. Whichever one wins the job, is going to be among the lowest paid starting right tackles in the league.

    Ever heard the phrase “YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR”?

    Good luck with that POS O line!

  85. cmarsh64 says: Aug 17, 2011 3:54 PM

    In case anyone forgot Vick is lefthanded so the RT and RG are very import too him, if they don’t protect him he will get hurt and pushed around like Def where doing the last 5 games of the year.Lets not forget Kolb and the Eagles lost there last game against the Cowboys and a 3rd string QB.

  86. drew05 says: Aug 17, 2011 7:26 PM

    If Vick “trusts what he sees”…

    and gets rid of the durn ball…

    The O-line will look alot better than it did last year, when injury really decimated them torwards the end of the year. (not meant as an excuse…simply fact)

    If he is still watching the A-gap…and deciding to run/throw before he looks downfield…well, the Iggs will give up a lot of sacks.

    Remember now…teams “brought the house” against Vick at the end of the year…when you rush 7 …or 8…nobody’s gonna block it.

    They better have worked against the blitz…cause until they beat it…it’s comming.

    Fly, Eagles Fly!

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