Tebow’s preseason performance fails to impress Hoge

AP

ESPN’s Merril Hoge has staked a claim as the foremost critic of Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow. And if you think Tebow’s 6-for-7, 91-yard preseason performance last week is going to change Hoge’s mind, think again.

Hoge said today that he thinks Tebow’s mechanics are such a mess that there’s simply no turning him into an effective NFL quarterback.

“You’ve got to look at a couple flaws that Tim Tebow had at Florida and still has in the National Football League that I don’t believe ever get better,” Hoge said. “First of all, his delivery is such an elongated motion that you have to have a complete, clear pocket for him to be successful down the field. If you don’t have that, you’re going to struggle.”

In the Broncos’ preseason game against the Cowboys, Tebow completed a 43-yard pass to Matt Willis on a ball that traveled about 50 yards in the air and hit Wills right in the hands, but what Hoge saw was Tebow having all day to pass on the play — and needing it because it takes him so long to get the ball out.

“Yes, he completes it, but that’s a perfect setting,” Hoge said. “In the National Football League, almost 50 percent of all throws are under duress. So you’re not going to have that every time.”

Before last year’s NFL draft, there was a lot of talk about Tebow changing his throwing motion to become more of an NFL-style pocket passer. Hoge says it hasn’t worked, and Tebow’s throwing motion is the same as ever.

“His accuracy really struggles from that elongated motion,” Hoge said. “When you have a guy that elongated in his motion, he’s less accurate, he’s not as quick throwing the football. . . . That entices teams to blitz more. He takes more hits during the course of the game.”

According to Hoge, Tebow has developed so many bad habits as a passer that it’s too late for him to change. And he said that any player on the Broncos can plainly see that Tebow has no business being their starter.

“That will never change — that will always be there,” Hoge said. “If they start Tim Tebow, players are not stupid. That coaching staff will have no respect from the players.”

128 responses to “Tebow’s preseason performance fails to impress Hoge

  1. Just looking at the numbers, it appears to be an impressive performance. If you actually WATCHED the game, you’d feel otherwise. It wasn’t terrible, but it sure wasn’t great either.

  2. Wow Hoge has it out for Tebow. Must not like the religious types. 50% of passes are thrown under duress, no bs buddy, that is why completion percentages are right around 60%. If he is so good without duress and can complete 1 out of 5 throw under duress then he is a pro bowl qb. Hoge obviously can talk anyone down, but it is a shame to see a grown man jealous of another grown man over the attention he gets.

  3. I wonder if McD knew he was on a short leash and purposely drafted Tebow just to create this mess. Anybody with eyes could see that this guy would not be an “elite” QB at any point, even if he did manage to become serviceable.

  4. Hoge was probably impressed by how quickly Big Ben could move in his victims. Why does someone this biased have a national job?

  5. Does anyone else remember when Hodge said that the Eagles would go 8-8 the year they signed Terrell Owens? He trashed them so much so hard that when they were 9-1 he said they would lose the rest of the games on the schedule and not make the playoffs…

    He hated so much so hard that ESPN took him off the air after he continued to say the eagles would lose the next game and the next game and the next..

    he was so wrong .. so badly that they made him disapear for like 2 years..

    he is a joke

    i hope that Tebow Proves him wrong

    you suck Merril

  6. …and that pass to Willis that everyone loves to point to was underthrown. If he throws it out in front of him hitting him in stride it’s 6 points as he had his coverage beat. It was a good pass, but not some sort of legendary throw.

  7. Hoge is an idiot

    but I watched the preseason game and he looked god awful throwing into the dirt on 10 yard outs in the flat, he is done. Only option would be as a wildcat QB on 3rd down

    Besides Orton is very good

  8. Merril Hoge has found out that, the only way people will listen to him is if he trash-talks Tim Tebow. If I were Tim, don’t bother listening to an over-rated former fullback. Heck why am I listening to him?

  9. I really don’t like Tim Tebow. Having said that, the criticism is getting stupid. Any moron can list reasons why Tebow won’t be a great quarterback. My dog knows that Tebow’s throwing motion is slow. Talking about it for the sake of talking about it is a waste of time. So the guy throws like a catapult… he’s still capable of winning a few games. I’ve seen worse starting quarterbacks in the NFL. I’d be shocked if he ended up in the Hall of Fame, but not if he won 8 games a season on a 75 QB rating.

  10. Thanks for clearing up how you felt about Tim Tebow’s chances of being an NFL quarterback Merril. Up until this point I was unsure.

  11. I guess Hoge is going off his extensive experience as a NFL club’s director of pro personnel….oh wait. Then it must be his years as a draft guru, the guy is better than Mike Mayock right? Oh wait. Fact is if Hoge was so good at judging talent overall or Qb’s, he would have had a job in that area already. Maybe Tebow won’t be good. But damn, we’re talking about a guy just starting his 2nd season.

  12. LOL @ “fails to impress.”

    If Bill Parcells failed to be impressed w/ Tebow, that’d be one thing…
    You know what “fails to impress” me? Just about everything Merrill Hoge has ever done in football, from playing it to analyzing it.

  13. I have to agree with Merrill Hodge on this one. You don’t have to be an expert to see that Tebow isn’t going to be a great or even good quarterback. For all the work he did to change his mechanics, he ends up reverting back to his college mechanics in every game. Even Brady Quinn outplayed him. That’s saying a lot. You can’t say Hodge is hating on Tebow if he’s right. Which he definitely is in this case.

  14. Yeah, a new Timmy Teblow story! How long of a wait was that PFT…one day? Maybe you should have a separate link for the Messiah.

    But anyway, Hoge is still right…TT isn’t and never will be an NFL QB. He should just get it over with and go north of the border…CFL style.

  15. I remember a few years ago the Hoge predicted the Eagles would lose every game. This was one at a time, week after week, and I think they ended up 13-3
    Hoge is a moron.

  16. I used to think Hoge was an idiot. Then over the years I found him being right about a lot of his analysis that sounded ridiculous at the time. Like when he said Mike Williams shouldnt be higher than a 3rd round pick.

  17. NFL Combine profile: “Tebow really struggles with his accuracy. Release is far too slow to fit balls into spots against NFL defensive backs. Release point and mechanics (elongated, wind-mill delivery which comes out too low) likely need to be altered. Was not asked to run through pro-style progressions and struggled reading defenses, especially those with NFL concepts, in college.” Next year will be make-or-break. Not much has changed since his Combine.

  18. I am so sick of people using the term “hater”. Meril Hoge is an analyst. What does an analyst do? They analyze! He’s paid to analyze games and players. Hoge did his job, and all kinds of people, including LeBron “Three Quarters” James gave him a hard time. Yes, I do think that Tebow gets some unneccessary criticism, especially when it pertains to his faith, but some of the criticism is not only accurate, but deserved

  19. I am by NO MEANS saying Tim Tebow is going to be Aaron Rodgers, but as a Packer fan I remember the knock on Rodgers coming out of college was his odd throwing motion and that he and the Packers worked on it tremendously early on, and that coupled with 3 years to sit, watch and learn, and Rodgers became what he is today.

    I have no idea if Tebow will be a success in the NFL or not, but give the guy a chance.

    Besides, what actual accompishments did Merrill Hoge ever have in the NFL ???

  20. Hoge is a freakin idiot! As an analyst he is suppose to give his opinion on things like this yes. But it’s like he is attacking Tebow for some reason. Nothing he says matters anyway. That is why he works for ESPN and not an NFL team.

  21. I don’t like Hoge’s technique in tying his own tie, but I’m not gonna sit here and hate on him for it.

    Listen… Tebow didn’t have “all day” to make that throw to Willis, nor did he have all day to make the couple passes to David Anderson. The 2nd string O-line for the Broncos sucks… he had like no time at all.
    Tebow with the starters would be great. He would have scored on that first drive that Orton failed to put it in the endzone.
    I don’t know what Hoge is expecting out of a 2nd year QB? Is he supposed to be Steve Young already??
    Let him play and he will prove Hoge wrong!
    TEBOW!
    GO BRONCOS!

  22. There’s just way too much talk about a guy who hasn’t been named the starter. The stories about opinions of him as a player and whether he should play far outweigh anything he’s actually done on an NFL field. Are we going to hear Tebow stories 5 years after he’s been bounced out of the league?

  23. What did Tebow do to Hogie, screw his wife, or his dog, or his pickup truck? He sure has him staked out as a destruction project…..

  24. Hoge is a tool bag and has ZERO qualifications to rate a QB. He wasn’t even a good RB. This is all done so Hoge can keep his name relevant because nobody would even think about him otherwise.

  25. Like so many before him, Hoge finds the quickest way to stave off irrelevance and obscurity is to slam Tim Tebow. It only works for so long though, than someone slams the turntable to unjam the record.

  26. @doctorfootball
    Quinn looked better? Really?? He was playing against 3rd and even 4th string guys!
    If you put Tebow out against those guys he would be WRECKING them just like he did his whole college career. He would almost win another Heisman again. I’m sick of hearing about Quinn being better. I would hope he looks better playing against a bunch of scrubs.

  27. Just look at the stupid idiotic clothes he wears on the set. It’s like he has a bunch of clown suits for a wardrobe. Just an attention monger and another ESPN bubblehead shoving his s*^# down our throat.

  28. do analysts feel smarter, or think we think they’re smarter, when they say the whole “national football league” thing??? do they think we don’t know what league it is they’re talking about?

  29. Not a Tebow fan but Byron Leftwich came out of school with a worse throwing motion, played against worse competition in college, was less accomplished, and didn’t have the intangibles Tebow has but he still managed to carve out a pretty decent career for himself.

  30. i remember when hoge said in 2006 that vince young and matt leinart should not be drafted higher then the 3rd round . that was some good analysis. Say what you want, but his tebow insight seems to be correct.

  31. Can somebody please give me some analysis on Hoge’s tie or why he clearly wears massive amounts of shoulder padding under his suit???

  32. Can somebody please follow this up with comments about how Jacksonville should have drafted Tebow so they could sell more tickets? Please? Because we never hear that enough on PFT…

  33. Shame on Merril Hoge At this point, he’s gratuitously piling on. 6 of 7, 91 yds – I’ll take that from any qb with whatever throwing motion.

  34. Hodge has zero credibility. This is the guy who proclaimed that Kellen Clemens would be the best quarterback of the 2006 draft class.

    But this is nothing new from ESPN “analysts. The Worldwide Leader in Sports has a billion talking heads who spout misinformation with spotty evidence to back their biased opinions.

  35. Tebow will always be a good back up just as he was predicted before his draft. The Broncos wasted a #1. But on the other hand, Byron Lewtwich did OK a few years and his delivery was slow and awfull.

  36. I think Hoge is protesting to much. I think Hoge has a CRUSH on Tebow. He thinks if he says he hates him enough people will think otherwise. Not to mention the fact that Hoge wishes he had the talent that Tebow had.

  37. The throwing motion isn’t that big of a deal. It is a problem and a flaw in his game, but it can be overcome. Randall Cunningham had the slowest throwing motion ever and he was a good QB.

    Plus the slow throwing motion is not just a pocket issue. It is mostly a problem with defenders being able to break on the WR’s a fraction of a second sooner.

    I still don’t think Tebow will be any good but that has more to do with his accuracy, intelligence, and leadership flaws.

  38. C’mom… really?
    I don’t think Tebow is a future HOF candidate either, but who exactly is Merril Hoge? A mediocre running back? Something like 3500 career yards?
    I know the guy had his troubles with the head injuries and cancer and all, but what makes him so qualified to analyze a quarterback?

    I’m not gonna insult him, but he is honestly sounding a little foolish.

  39. Hoge is easily one of the most annoying analysts on television…. but he is right. Tebow will never make it. The dude looked awful in his preseason game. He looked confused and quite frankly, a bit scared. I love the guy’s intangibles and he seems like a good guy in general, but he just doesn’t seem to have what it takes unless they build their offense around a gimmick QB.

  40. Brohm >>> Rodgers

    Because Rodgers will never be accurate.

    This is the standard of quarterback analysis I hold Hoge to.

  41. As much as the planet hates to hear it, as long as Orton (or any half-decent QB for that matter) is still in Denver, Teblow doesn’t have a chance to start. Orton’s miles ahead of this guy at this position. If he wants to see the field more, he should put on 20 lbs and learn how to catch.

  42. stoicfan says:
    Aug 17, 2011 12:25 PM
    My neighbour has more credentials than Merrill Hoge and my neighbor’s a postman.
    ———————-

    Is his name Newman????

  43. I’m not much of a Tebow fan, and not a fan of Hoge at all, ever. But until Tebow gets some consecutive starts, what does any of us really know? We will see. Could the Broncos do better than Tebow? Probably. Could ESPN do better than Merril Hoge? Absolutely!

  44. Yet, there Tebow is with the highest rating of all rookies last year. Highest rating of any QB in NCAA history. Had the same amount of TD passes as Bradford in college. He broke UFs record for TD completion % of passes over 20 yards. I hate to point this out to Hoge or the ones that just assume he will suck, eventhough he has done anything but suck in the NFL. QBing isnt only about pocket passing. Pocket passing is one aspect. There are other things. I will say this to Bronco fans. Elway had a career rating of 79 and he was not the greatest pocket passer at all. Yet, he showed beynd the shadow of all doubt that QBing is more than pocket passing.

    ESPN continuously showed the loop of his one incomplete pass and God forbid an int where his WR was tackled.

    There is a blatant double standard and the hatred for Tebow has nothing to do with football.

  45. Last time I checked if the players don’t do what the coaches tell them, they’ll be sitting on the bench.

    To act like this is the first time a team has ever been forcefed a quaterback who didnt earn his stripes is flat out stupid.

    I give Merril credit for standing his ground as so many of the analysts make wishywashy statements so as to never appear wrong. Merril is either going to look right, or like a total hater who needs to give it up.

    Mechanics are not everything, everybody said Philip Rivers had a weird side motion throw. We’ll guess what he’s an elite qb with imperfect mechanics.

    Merril would do well, to let this kid have a chance first, I for one hate the Broncos (as a Charger fan) but i totally respect John Fox and im absolutely worried about a resurgnace of the Broncos coming real soon with a smash mouth power run team in Fox’s image.

  46. I’m not the biggest Merrill Hoge fan, but I commend him for showing how real players are supposed to play!!!

  47. Yeah, and Hoge’s entire nfl career failed to impress me, who cares? Just another Espn blowhard lackey trying to get some publicity by making a “shocking” statement. I remember the days when Espn was about the highlights, instead of sensationalism and all the “diva” personalitess trying to make a name for themselves. They can single out any Nfl player and rip them at any given time, they just feed on the guys who will get them ratings.

  48. I agree. Tebow’s mechanics suck, and yes- he holds on to the ball WAY too long. That’s the cardinal rule of quarterbacking, people. Recognize the coverage, go through your progressions and get rid of that meatball.

    He’s a good kid, and maybe he has a future. But right now he’s nowhere close to starting material.

  49. Does Hoge know he coulda stopped using the roids after his failed nfl career ended? Why’s that man so angry?! Mention Tebow and veins start popping out of his forehead. geesh

  50. For Tebow lovers eyeing the stats with glimmers of love, I say to you : “preseason.”

    Stats don’t mean anything until September.

  51. Who cares what Hoge thinks? He’s not the coach of the Denver Broncos. If I recall correctly, there have been a bevy of quarterbacks in NFL history that have had less than perfect throwing mechanics. In fact, a few of those are in the Hall Of Fame. Let’s just stop ragging on Tebow, let him and the coaches work on his game, and let the chips fall where they may. A quarterback in the NFL is much more than how he passes. Some quarterbacks with excellent mechanics never did much in the NFL. Rob Johnson, for example.

  52. Yeah, well my neighbor has more credentials than Merrill Hoge and my neighbor’s a plumber but yet, he agree’s that TT will never be anything but a TE playing QB in the NFL.

  53. Randall Cunningham also had that long throwing motion and he did pretty well in the league. Tebow plays a lot like Cunningham, except he’s bigger and stronger. Yeah, it’s not ideal mechanics but it isn’t like it will prevent you from ever being successful. Of course, I hated that long windup in the 1998 NFC championship game when Cunningham got the ball knocked out while he was winding up to pass right before halftime. Turned 20-7 to 20-14 and reversed the momentum of the game. Still, you take the good with the bad.

  54. I’ve got two comments to make on this whole Merrill Hodge flap.

    Number 1. Go find the NFL draft video of Hodge telling everyone that Brian Brohm was a much better QB then Aaron Rodgers. What’s significant is how he describes Rodgers as stiff and unable to read defenses. It’s classic AND truly tells you that Hodge is no more intelligent about rating QB’s as you or me or anyone else AND that it’s a crap shoot on guessing what makes a QB successful in the NFL.

    Number 2. Juxtapose Tebow’s throwing motion over Brett Favre’s and they are almost identical. Hodge goes through all this nonsensical crap about a long throwing motion and “that allows teams to blitz more” yada yada yada.

    Tebow may not make it as a QB but it will have nothing to do with any of the reasons this tool says. The fact that Favre is 1 of the top 5 QB’s of all time PROVE that the motion has nothing to do with it.

  55. Wow, Lebron and a bunch of people who want Tebow to succeed know more than a successful analyst (one who didn’t get his job because he was famous).

    Hoge’s initial analysis was in response to someone asking him a question. GOD FORBID he answer that question with anything but praise for genuis Josh McDaniel’s draft pick.

    And I don’t get those who question Hoge’s football career as a qualification to be an analyst. Being a successful foootball player has very little to do with evaluating talent. Is Belichek a great elavuator of talent? How was his NFL career? Is Dan Marino and Joe Montana the most qualified QB analysts? Why doesn’t every team want them to scout QBs for them? After all, they are the most “qualified” according to half the morons posting on this site. And God knows that SF, Balt, Cincy, Denver, Wash, and Oak could use the help.

  56. Well, with all the experience Hoge had playing QB in the National Football League for years…oh, wait. He was an average fullback?

    Well, then with all his experience Hoge has coaching QBs and / or running offensive schemes…oh, wait. He is just some doofus talking head?

    Why does anyone care about what this absolute loser has to say about anyone? Poor widdle Merril wants a little attention, is that it? For the first time ever, I have found someone who makes Sean Salisbury look like a solid authority on a subject by comparison.

    Let Tebow compete and let the chips fall where they may. If Orton is the better player, play him, but let the coaches and personnel guys decide, not some absolute idiot like Merril Hoge.

  57. Hoge is just one of those “I know everything and I’m never wrong” guys…His suits on TV look like a bowtie with a tie hanging from it. I remember back when Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers were drafted and he said Smith would be a hall of famer and Rodgers would be out of the league by now. He also thought the Redskins made a huge mistake by not drafting Jimmy Clausen as the 4th overall pick in last years draft and slammed them for picking Trent Williams who will be a pro bowler eventually. Plus he’s a huge homer for to him the Steelers can do no wrong. If the Steelers would have traded Big Ben and drafted Tim he would be spit shining Tebow’s toilet. The only thing I remember Hoge from was Tecmo Super Bowl and he sucked in that game too. Hoge is a big reason why I don’t watch Sportscenter much anymore. Fire the joker and I might watch ESPN more.

  58. “The fact that Favre is 1 of the top 5 QB’s of all time PROVE that the motion has nothing to do with it.”

    Uh…no. It proves that a massively talented athlete can overcome a flaw. Muggsy Bogues PROVED that a 5’3″ guy can play in the NBA, but do you think any NBA scouts take players of that size seriously?

    I don’t understand why some of Tebow’s most ardent (read:creepy) defenders can’t admit that his throwing mechanics (among other issues, such as his offense in college) is a legitimate issue. It is. It doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll fail, but he’s definitely a step or two behind a guy who has a normal throwing motion. The skeptics have a point. Hard work, determination, and Jesus will only take you so far. If he can’t fix his flaws, he won’t last long.

  59. It’s funny. Researchers once did a study on those people who carry signs saying the world was going to end tomorrow.

    What they did was, they went back the next day – to talk to those people to see how they were impacted when the world didn’t end as they predicted.

    They found that this didn’t discourage them. In fact, it increased their beliefs, because they felt it was their actions that kept the world from ending.

    This is how I look at Merril Hoge. You will never convince him he is wrong, even if TT wins 3 super bowls and a few MVP awards…

  60. Like I said here before, Hoge has hitched his entire career as an analyst to Tim Tebow.

    If Tebow succeeds, it will absolutely drive Hoge to insanity. At this point, Tebow could put up a 158.3 passer rating in every game and Hoge will still not be impressed.

    The one sorry thing about this whole episode is all the attention Hoge is getting for trying to sound like Bill Walsh. This guy was former player, not a QB coach. If he keeps harping on his own expertise (and self-importance), he may end up like Sean Salisbury…..looking for work elsewhere.

  61. Favre is gone. The Sports Media Machine is scrambling for fodder. They need arguments on these pages! Without divisive, biased comments from SOMEONE in the Machine, the money flow slows! The clicks ebb!

    Our love of and loyalties to our teams fill the Sports Media Machine with Money, and they feed us the right recipes to click and bitch and moan and argue and snipe and click back to see who bitched and moaned and sniped right back.

    Without THIS, all we’d have would be the games themselves, jersey sales, autographs, and, god forbid, cable TV. No talkback! No comments!

    *faints*

  62. Merrill Hoge is a typical ESPN moron who has no business talking about QB’s. People should research some of the things he said about Aaron Rodgers before the packers drafted him. Here are the quotes.
    “Aaron Rodgers doesn’t have intermediate accuracy, and doesn’t have any accuracy down the field. He doesn’t have any of the skill set you need to win in the NFL.” And here is the best one. “This guy will KILL and NFL franchise”

    If winning the superbowl in your third year of being a starter is “killing” a NFL franchise then you are spot on Merrill.

    He has no business bashing QB’s, his track record is duly noted. As far as Tebow, he needs to be on the bench right now. When Orton exposes himself as a less than formidable NFL starter, Tebow will be right there waiting in the wings to get his shot. Until then the Broncos are doing the right thing letting him develop his skills in practice.

  63. Tebow is what he is. As far as hodge goes he shouldn’t throw stones while living in a glass house. He was far from a stud in his NFL career. He played ten years and only rushed for a little over 3300 yards. I think his head injury effects his judgement and espn is dumb for employing him as an analyst.

  64. Why does everyone hate this guy so much? He’s a project QB – not a veteran, he’s going to need some work.

  65. packfaninpackland says:
    Aug 17, 2011 12:13 PM
    I am by NO MEANS saying Tim Tebow is going to be Aaron Rodgers, but as a Packer fan I remember the knock on Rodgers coming out of college was his odd throwing motion and that he and the Packers worked on it tremendously early on, and that coupled with 3 years to sit, watch and learn, and Rodgers became what he is today.

    I have no idea if Tebow will be a success in the NFL or not, but give the guy a chance.

    Besides, what actual accompishments did Merrill Hoge ever have in the NFL ???

    duece5 says:

    Your right that Tim Tebow is NOT (G)Aron Rodgers. Tim insists he’s straight!

  66. Who cares what Hoge thinks. I’m not even a tebow fan but he is hating on him HARD for whatever reason. Can anyone tell me this how many games did Kyle Orton win with the broncos last year? How many games did Tebow win? At the end of the day W’s are all that matter.

  67. “packfaninpackland says:
    Aug 17, 2011 12:13 PM
    I am by NO MEANS saying Tim Tebow is going to be Aaron Rodgers, but as a Packer fan I remember the knock on Rodgers coming out of college was his odd throwing motion and that he and the Packers worked on it tremendously early on, and that coupled with 3 years to sit, watch and learn, and Rodgers became what he is today.”

    ————————————————————————————-

    Whoa there. Rodgers was incredibly accurate in college and had a very strong arm. He didn’t have an odd throwing motion, but just that he held the ball higher than what others did. Holding the ball high “on the shelf” was considered a quicker release. He doesn’t hold the ball as high anymore, but he still has a quick release. Brett Favre, your former QB, had terrible mechanics (sidearming, jerky motion) yet his release was very quick and also had a cannon arm.

    Now we know the criticism of Rodgers was unfounded and irrational. No one looked at his accuracy or the speed of his release.

    Mechanics are overrated unless the quirk prevents him from delivering the ball quickly. Rodgers’ motion did NOT prevent this nor did it affect Favre. However, for Tebow, every QB analyst has said that he’s slow on the release. Given the speed of defenders, those seconds are the difference between a completed pass and a batted pass.

  68. What is the problem with you people? He gets paid to analyze the game and its players! He may not have had an “impressive” career so does that mean hes supposed to keep his mouth shut and not do his job? Hes not hating, he didnt make false accusations, everything Hoge is saying is the hard truth period. What kind of QB Tebow WILL be remains to be seen but Hoge is just doing his job and hes right. Once you grow up and become a man you realize theyre going to be tough critics and even your boss will criticize you when things are wrong.
    Cmon people.

  69. UPDATE::
    Hodge was struck by lightning as he pressed the send button upon completing this story. God chose to smite Hodge for not having faith in his second son.

  70. kellyb9 says:
    Aug 17, 2011 1:39 PM
    Why does everyone hate this guy so much? He’s a project QB – not a veteran, he’s going to need some work.

    His proselytizing and non-stop talk about his doubters (a BS line with no basis in reality) certainly don’t help.

  71. What is the problem with you people? He gets paid to analyze the game and its players! He may not have had an “impressive” career so does that mean hes supposed to keep his mouth shut and not do his job? Hes not hating, he didnt make false accusations, everything Hoge is saying is the hard truth period. What kind of QB Tebow WILL be remains to be seen but Hoge is just doing his job and hes right. Once you grow up and become a man you realize theyre going to be tough critics and even your boss will criticize you when things are wrong.
    Cmon people.

  72. A couple other people beat me to it, but Byron Leftwich and Philip Rivers both came into the league with sloppy/unconventional throwing motions. Obviously, Rivers has done better in overcoming/adjusting his issues than Leftwich did, but Byron still had a decent run, and is still a solid backup in the league.

    Rich Gannon, Kurt Warner, & Tommy Maddox are just a few examples of QBs that come to mind who took a long time to realize their potential. Maybe Tebow will never get there. I wouldn’t bet against him, though – he seems like the type to keep his nose to the grindstone and never give up. And I hated the kid while he was in college and leading up to the draft. The more I see him ignore his critics and just work at making himself better, the more I kinda root for him, though. (But I still wouldn’t want him lining up under center for my team – unless it’s with the 2nd team!)

  73. Let’s see now Merrill. Just a few NFL QB’s with really funky throing motions. Some even like Tebows:
    1. Philip Rivers- Boy did he turn out great!
    2. Ben Roethlisberger- 2 superbowls wins in 3 shows
    4. Michael Vick- No struggle here
    5. Jim Plunkett- oops, just 2 Superbowl wins
    6. Randall Cunningham- perennial playoff guy
    7. Joe Kapp-Worst ever-but perennial playoff guy
    8. Fran Tarkenton- Ran all over the place-Mostly in playoffs.

    I’m sure the readers can name a ton more. The point is that for every Brady, Manning, Bradshaw, Brees, Elway, Marino, Kelly Pastorini, Moon, Montana and others gifted with NFL perfect throwing mechanics. There are an equal number of ugly duckling hurlers. who are flat out leaders. And they usually leave no prisoners and accept nothing but playoffs and championships. Several are in the Hall of Fame. Tebow could easily be in the latter “Duckling” group if given a fair chance by someone. Time will tell.

  74. Hog is a pig. I timed that 50 yd Tebow pass Merilyn was crying about and the pass was gone in 1.8 seconds from the time TT got the snap. If that’s “all day” as Hog put it, then his sorry butt only has about 2 more weeks left before he is just a bad memory fertilizing a 6ft patch of ground.

  75. As long as the moron talking head Hoge thinks this gets him publicity and gives him ‘credence,” he’ll continue. It’s the way of a publicity starved “journalist.”

  76. “The point is that for every Brady, Manning, Bradshaw, Brees, Elway, Marino, Kelly Pastorini, Moon, Montana and others gifted with NFL perfect throwing mechanics. There are an equal number of ugly duckling hurlers.”

    This is completely, absurdly, laughably untrue.

  77. Yeah, Hog said ripped Aron Rodgers before he was drafted as bad as he did Tebow. Said Arron had a weak arm, was inaccurate, couldn’t read Ds, bad pocket presence the whole gamut and concluded that Rodgers would never make as an NFL QB and any team would be foolish to draft him. Hog has too many female hormones and is constantly PMS-ing. Pathetic!

  78. This guy is hilarious. Every QB is gonna struggle to throw the deep ball from an imperfect pocket. Especially his counter part in Kyle Orton 100% of Ortons 40 yard passes came from Play Action and no heavy pressure.

  79. STFU already Hoge!
    Ok so you don’t care for Tebow, we get it. It’s very obvious that this has become personal for you for whatever reason.
    If you are such a great evaluator of talent, you should become a GM. Until you do that, you are just another talking head with all the answers and none of the accountability.

  80. After watching Merril Hoge game tape I came to the conclusion he would be the worst QB hands down to play in the NfL. Horrible footwork. Pea Shooter arm. Lacked size. Overall assessment he would be a Shoe Salesman in this day and age.

  81. wow a espn guy trashing the broncos! You never see that…Usually they are to busy crying when the raiders win and say things like “what a shame” when showing highlights of the raiders beat down the broncos (see Tom Jackson last year)
    I still think tebow will always suck but it’s not his fault he has to play against the best D in the NFL The raiders

  82. Plain and simple Hodge is an idiot. Second he is not being objective. Anyone who saw that game will tell you that Teebow did great. That is except Hodge and haters that have a hidden agenda. Hodge as much as you never want to see Teebow play a snap in a regaular season game and claim he never will it shows yours idiocracy because first he already has played three games and in one brought his team back to victory from deficit. Third he will play in a regular season game and actually start for probably around 15 years and win a lot of playoff games and probably super bowls. Yeah Hodge you think you can influence things with your mouth but you cannot. Teebow can influence with his play and Hodge you have lsot all credability for not being objective. I am sure you and Elway will go have a beer together for doing his dirty work; maybe you are even on Elway’s payroll. Maybe you got to many concussions and are really just dumb Hodge I buy that to a certain point but you do no something about football so you are probably just hating; could it be because Teebow is bigger, stronger, and better looking. Or could it be that you are not secure with your faith and are just bashing him because you know he is a btter person than you as well. Hodge my best advice is get mentored by Tony Dungy you need some help. And go pray as well because unobjective people generally have little or no god in their life.

  83. svcfilmguy:

    Thanks for proving my point. Reading comprehension is not your strong points I see.

    “Uh…no. It proves that a massively talented athlete can overcome a flaw.” Exactly!!

    Hoge dismisses all else BUT Tebow’s motion as a reason he will not play qb in the NFL. As if that’s the only important part of being a QB. That’s was point of my post. And certainly that has been proven false by many successful qb’s who have not had ideal mechanics.

    My other point is that Hoge has been wrong in HIS analysis of many qb’s. Nothing in your post suggests I’m wrong about Hoge’s obvious inability to correctly pick WHICH qb’s coming out of college will be successful.

    By the way, you seem to indicate Favre changed his throwing motion? That’s what it sounds like in your post. Because if you are, you’re an extremely ignorant football fan in general, and I question whether you actually watch the game!!

  84. I’m not a Tebow fan but Johnny Unitas, Fran Tarkenton, Billy Kilmer, Warren Moon and Brett Favre all had quirks in their mechanics/play and they all were very good QB’s at the NFL level.

    Not everybody needs to be a Bill Walsh kind-of-guy to succeed in the NFL at the top level. We have guys playing today, like Michael Vick and Ben Roethlisberger, who have somewhat unorthodox pocket play and deliveries and who have fared really well despite that.

    I think Tebow probably will struggle at this level, however I won’t be shocked if he turns out to be good enough to get away with unusual mechanics and still play well in the NFL.

  85. Why does someone this biased have a national job?

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    As opposed to all the other non-biased announcers like Shannon Sharpe, Boomer Esiason, Dan Marino, Terry Bradshaw, and on.. and on.. and on.. it goes with the territory.. NONE of these fools are without bias…

  86. To: granadafan at 1:53 PM

    “packfaninpackland says: Aug 17, 2011 12:13 PM

    I am by NO MEANS saying Tim Tebow is going to be Aaron Rodgers, but as a Packer fan I remember the knock on Rodgers coming out of college was his odd throwing motion and that he and the Packers worked on it tremendously early on, and that coupled with 3 years to sit, watch and learn, and Rodgers became what he is today.”
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    Whoa there. Rodgers was incredibly accurate in college and had a very strong arm.

    “As were Tim Couch, Brian Brohm, Ja Marcus Russell, David Carr, and many, many other first round QB’s that flamed out magnificently in the NFL. Your point ???

    He didn’t have an odd throwing motion, but just that he held the ball higher than what others did. Holding the ball high “on the shelf” was considered a quicker release. He doesn’t hold the ball as high anymore,

    “Yes, after a looooooong process that first year in training camp. I guess you convienantly “forget” that. Plus, don’t ever underestimate the incredible “value” of sitting, watching, and learning for THREE FULL YEARS, as opposed to being tossed to the wolves as an NFL Rookie QB. DUHHHHHHHH

    but he still has a quick release. Brett Favre, your former QB, had terrible mechanics (sidearming, jerky motion) yet his release was very quick and also had a cannon arm.

    Now we know the criticism of Rodgers was unfounded and irrational.

    “Again, with a lot of work, AND coupled with throwing motion ! PLUS, I believe some of the criticism came from McCarthy and in particular the Packer quarterbacks coach. Nice attempt at revisionist history though. Not” !

    No one looked at his accuracy or the speed of his release. Mechanics are overrated

    “Overrated … really” ???? Oh, okay.

    unless the quirk prevents him from delivering the ball quickly. Rodgers’ motion did NOT prevent this nor did it affect Favre.

    However, for Tebow, every QB analyst has said that he’s slow on the release. Given the speed of defenders, those seconds are the difference between a completed pass and a batted pass.

    “So I guess you agree with Hoge, then. Hmmm. I guess we’ll see about that.”

  87. This statement by Merril Hoge invalidates any credibity he may have had in evaluating QB’s…

    “Tavaris Jackson is money! He is going to take the Vikings to the playoffs.”

  88. Hoge seems to spend all his time going after Renowned. Hoge was a fullback for 8 years in the league so even though he may be an analyst it’s still hard to become a critic of a position he did not play. Get off of Tebows back and allow him to play the game and just be an analyst not some overly obsessed crazy who’s heart and soul is set on destroying a mans career before he can even begin one.

  89. ‘MECHANICS’ is the least of Tebow’s problems as an NFL qb. I hear the chants… “JUST LET HIM PLAY!!!” If you really are a fan ‘with a clue’ you DON’T want Tim to play yet.

    The whole mechanics issue is just a distraction to Tebow’s biggest most glaring problem. I don’t care if a guy can throw a hundred yard pass with touch, it doesn’t matter if you can NOT go through a post snap progression / read and allow for play development.

    Even at the level of football I played db, I know for a fact Tebow will NOT throw the ball. EVEN WHEN HE WANTS TO.

    The book on Tebow by the NFL has been written. Bum rush a few, keep a couple at home and cover the rest. Tebow is hard wired that once his first receiver is covered the head goes down and, off to the races Tebow goes. Yeah, it worked in College. That’s not going to cut it in the NFL.

    He needs to be ‘rewired’ and that will only happen if it gets DRILLED out of him.

  90. Murl Hoge talking about Tebow is beating a dead horse. He is at best a jamelle holieway for the sooners back in the day but we all know that. he is Byron leftwich without the arm strength…Let it go. Murl you are so simple and tired. Everyone knows this!

    Anyway Cheers to tebow and I’ve never been a fan.

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