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Eli says being “elite” is “all about how you think of yourself”

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In an interview with PFT Live that was taped within the past 30 minutes (making it, you know, PFT Not Live) and that will be played at 12:00 p.m. ET Thursday, Giants quarterback Eli Manning addressed the controversial comparison that he made on Tuesday between himself and Pats quarterback Tom Brady in an interview with Michael Kay of ESPN 1050.

“I don’t think it was out of character,” Eli said.  “The question was if I thought I was an elite quarterback or a top five quarterback, and I answered truthfully and said I was.  So I don’t think I said anything incorrectly, I don’t know how else I was supposed to answer that question.”

During Wednesday’s PFT Live, Peyton Manning’s former coach, Tony Dungy, suggested that such questions should be answered by deferring to the judgment and opinions of others.

Eli was surprised by the reaction to the remarks.

“It got stirred up and all of a sudden people ran with it a little bit and started saying different things,” Eli said.  “I thought I gave a truthful answer and gave my opinion.  When I got done with the interview, I thought we had a nice little interview and nothing will come out of it and everything will be quiet.  In training camp we don’t get to watch much TV or read the papers, and my dad told me that a bunch was being stirred about this and so just be prepared if someone asks you.  But I’m not bothered by it.  I thought I said the right things and I’ll just move on.”

So what makes Eli an “elite” quarterback?

“It’s all about how you think of yourself,” Eli said.  “Each year I’m preparing to be the best quarterback that I can be.  I’m trying to win games for the Giants and that’s really what my focus is.  I’m not trying to compete against other quarterbacks, I’m not trying to be better than this quarterback.  I’m trying to be the best quarterback I can be.  I’m trying to win a championship for the Giants and go out there and win each game that we play.  That’s what my focus is, that’s what my goal is each year.  I root for other quarterbacks.  I think we have a great fraternity.  If you’re a quarterback in the NFL, there’s not many of you and so I root for each quarterback to do well, stay healthy, and I enjoy watching a lot of these quarterbacks play the game and look at some of the throws they make, some of their mechanics.  It’s fun for me, I have a blast playing this sport and this position, and so I look forward to this year, getting better and making improvements, and making sure I’m a better quarterback this year than I was in the past.”

That’s a pretty good answer.  Some would say that it’s the answer he should have given to Michael Kay in the first place.

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  1. yamchargers says: Aug 18, 2011 9:31 AM

    Sweet! I am an elite NFL quarterback too!

  2. kellyb9 says: Aug 18, 2011 9:31 AM

    No, it actually has more to do with how other people judge your abilities. Sorry Eli.

  3. jw731 says: Aug 18, 2011 9:31 AM

    I agree…….Everyone who has ever been incredibly over paid should have a blast……..

  4. dbellina says: Aug 18, 2011 9:31 AM

    It’s funny because he’s actually a pretty good QB. His problem is that he is the younger brother of Peyton Manning, which means he will always be compared to Peyton Manning.

  5. talkintrashallday says: Aug 18, 2011 9:32 AM

    Jamarcus thought he was “elite” too….

  6. weightshakes says: Aug 18, 2011 9:33 AM

    Eli is so ghetto.

  7. sportswannabe says: Aug 18, 2011 9:38 AM

    “That’s a pretty good answer. Some would say that this is the answer he should have given to Michael Kay in the first place.”

    To anyone who actually listened to the interview, they would know that he DID say most of this during the interview. He was just answering on the fly, so the answer wasn’t terribly well-organized. This is still a non-story being made out to be a major sports news story.

    “No, it actually has more to do with how other people judge your abilities. Sorry Eli.”

    No, it’s not.

    “I agree…….Everyone who has ever been incredibly over paid should have a blast……..”

    Who was MVP of one of the greatest Super Bowls ever, beating an undefeated team? Not overpaid at all.

    “Jamarcus thought he was “elite” too….”

    How terribly irrelevant. Jamarcus is out of the league and was the worst QB in the league. Eli is a very good QB who is a Super Bowl MVP/Champion.

  8. palakerfan says: Aug 18, 2011 9:38 AM

    I’m good enough, smart enough, and dog gone it – people like me.

  9. geemoney713 says: Aug 18, 2011 9:39 AM

    Eli must not think of himself as elite.

  10. stoutfiles says: Aug 18, 2011 9:39 AM

    Are you kidding me?!? Eli must be watching Nick Jr.

  11. AlanSaysYo says: Aug 18, 2011 9:40 AM

    Well then, I think I’m an elite quarterback too. It’s all in how I think about myself. So someone give me lots of money to play football now.

  12. scudbot says: Aug 18, 2011 9:40 AM

    I guess that makes Cam Newton an entertainment icon, Mike Vick the real victim, Adrian Peterson a slave, Vince Young a Hall of Fame shoo-in and Rex Ryan the Super Bowl winning coach of a team that’s better than the Packers despite getting shut out at home by them.

  13. drgfri says: Aug 18, 2011 9:41 AM

    That make NO sense at all. Being elite, by definition, is a function of how others view you. I wouldn’t expect more from an Ol’ Miss grad. Moron…..

  14. clownsfan says: Aug 18, 2011 9:41 AM

    WOW. That answer / quote made him sound like he might actually have a personality.

  15. sportswannabe says: Aug 18, 2011 9:42 AM

    It depends what you mean by elite. These guys are the only ones who definitively belong above him:

    1. Tom Brady
    2. Peyton Manning
    3. Aaron Rodgers

    Period. People like to throw other names, let’s tackle a few right now.

    Ben Roethlisberger-Probably belongs above Eli, but it’s hardly definitive. He’s got two SB rings to Eli’s 1, but he brings a lot of off-the-field issues that still haven’t been totally resolved. I only put him in the non-definitive list for that reason alone.

    Drew Brees-Wait? What? How could you, Vak? Listen. Drew Brees is great, and commonly accepted as “better than Eli.” And he has better stats, too, to go along with his SB ring matching Eli’s. I’d probably rank him above Eli, too, but it’s not definitive and here’s why: his stats are inflated, but they look flashy. He plays in a dome 8 games a year, and then plays another 4 guaranteed in relatively warm climes. Eli plays in the weather-brutal NFC East. Further, the competition, until last year, was MUCH more brutal for Eli in the NFC East than the Saints were dealing with. Still, I concede that he probably goes over Eli, but it’s not definitive.

    Philip Rivers-Lets get this one out of the way early. He’s been on better teams, and he hasn’t won anything. That’s the bottom line. Not to mention, again, easy division (which they still managed to blow last year) in constant warm weather. This one is very questionable, even though, again, his flashy play leads people to put him over Eli. One guy has a Super Bowl ring, and they’ve both had great opportunities. Eli seized it, Rivers didn’t.

    Tony Romo-Ugh. All sizzle, no steak. Puts up numbers, but has 1 playoff win in his career, including getting beat at home by Eli and the Giants.

    Matt Ryan-This one is truly puzzling, as he’s done less than Eli, his stats are very much on par with Eli, and he gets to play in a dome half the season. Why in the world should he be above Eli?

    Matt Schaub-The worst one. The ultimate example of fantasy football confusing people about who’s good at real life football. His teams are constantly mediocre, he’s not good in the clutch. Just, gross.

    Josh Freeman-Big time potential here, but not even close to Eli…yet. He could be the best in the league one day, though. Hasn’t even made a playoffs yet, and may come back to Earth next season with a brutal schedule.

    Mike Vick-All the potential in the world, but has never won anything. Also, has had one good year after spending time in prison. No way he belongs over Eli on a current QB list, he needs to show he can come close to matching his season from last year. Also, he gets injured frequently, having only played one full season in his whole career, whereas Eli is there, every game.

  16. nyjets88 says: Aug 18, 2011 9:43 AM

    I don’t think Eli is an elite qb, a pretty good one, but not elite. However, I have no problems with what Eli said. We always hear how the qb is the leader, and being a leader is a lot of how you carry yourself. Confidence is the key.

  17. liltifer says: Aug 18, 2011 9:44 AM

    liltifer says being elite is what OTHER people think about you.

  18. thephantomstranger says: Aug 18, 2011 9:44 AM

    When I saw the headline I figured I would rip him, but I thought he gave a good answer. He’s just being honest.

  19. persianelvis says: Aug 18, 2011 9:45 AM

    Eli is a great QB. He’s won a super bowl and the guy can play.

    This is just PFT and other media losers blowing up something out of nothing just to squawk about it.

    and he belonged in the top 100.. especially over Mcnabb.

  20. jcjets says: Aug 18, 2011 9:45 AM

    Eli didn’t make any comparison with Tom Brady.

    The interviewer asked him if he was elite (top 5, top 10 qbs), and then if Eli think’s he’s in the same class as Tom Brady.

    I think what’s surprising about this whole situation is not that Eli thinks he’s one of the best QBs in the NFL..but that he actually gave his opinion on the matter! And is the way the Jets handle themselves in the media rubbing off on Eli?

  21. jnbnet says: Aug 18, 2011 9:47 AM

    a legend in his own mind

  22. tbtrojan says: Aug 18, 2011 9:47 AM

    So being elite has nothing to do with your performance and everything to do with your own ego?

    Well I’ll be damned, Freddie Mitchell was actually right to think he was great. I think we all owe the greatest wideout to ever play the game an apology.

  23. wryly1 says: Aug 18, 2011 9:48 AM

    Eli – when you get yourself in a hole – STOP DIGGING !!!

  24. grpatriot says: Aug 18, 2011 9:49 AM

    Yeah Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson elite! Who have a ring but not an MVP’s (league)…..No top 100 list, not even a mention…

  25. semperfi24 says: Aug 18, 2011 9:54 AM

    Sportswannabe must be the Vox Veritas of Giants fans, lol…

    The people that have followed this site for a while will understand, for those of you that are new (in the last 2 years or so) wont get it. Vox Veritas was/is a Cowboys fan, and he/she would spend 15 hours a day making asinine responses to anyone that would say anything negative about the Cowboys, or Tony Romo etc…

  26. sportswannabe says: Aug 18, 2011 9:55 AM

    “Yeah Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson elite! Who have a ring but not an MVP’s (league)…..No top 100 list, not even a mention…”

    Grumblegrumblegrumble.

    Did either of those guys throw 2 4th quarter TD’s to win their Super Bowl against an undefeated team and win MVP? Kthxbye.

  27. xxxviichamps says: Aug 18, 2011 9:57 AM

    Why can’t the interviewer just grow some balls for once and say:

    “Eli, If you’re a top 5 quarterback…then tell me how you are better than Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, or Drew Brees?”

    Simple as that. All of those guys are Super Bowl Champions and better all around quarterbacks than Eli…

    I could throw another 5 names in the hat…because I dont think Eli is top 10…but I dont think anyone could argue with the aforementioned 5 players.

  28. cliverush says: Aug 18, 2011 9:58 AM

    Time for Eli to study a Patriots player do an interview. Don’t give them anything because they will use it against you. They are not your friends, they make money off you and that is it.

  29. melonnhead says: Aug 18, 2011 9:58 AM

    Period. People like to throw other names, let’s tackle a few right now.

    —————————————————————-

    Eli’s legacy will be one of not getting in the way of Giants winning too much. He’s not the catalyst that drives their wins and MVP or not, the Giants didn’t win the Super Bowl on the weight of his performance. The fact of the matter is that he’s just a little bit more marketable than David Tyree.

  30. MichaelEdits says: Aug 18, 2011 9:58 AM

    Moving off on a tangent, I really get tired of hearing how great Phillip Rivers is. If he played as well as everybody says he plays, then he’d be great. I haven’t seen it.

  31. melonnhead says: Aug 18, 2011 9:58 AM

    Did either of those guys throw 2 4th quarter TD’s to win their Super Bowl

    —————————————————————–

    No. But then again, they didn’t have to.

  32. wmthomas3 says: Aug 18, 2011 9:59 AM

    Well That makes me an elite QB too. Thanks Eli. Cause I’m good enough and I’m smart enough, and people like me!

  33. semperfi24 says: Aug 18, 2011 9:59 AM

    How did you guys find a picture of Eli showing us how small his dinky is? Classic!

  34. 1historian says: Aug 18, 2011 9:59 AM

    Q: Is Eli Manning among the elite quarterbacks?

    A: No

    next question

  35. sportswannabe says: Aug 18, 2011 10:00 AM

    “Sportswannabe must be the Vox Veritas of Giants fans, lol…

    The people that have followed this site for a while will understand, for those of you that are new (in the last 2 years or so) wont get it. Vox Veritas was/is a Cowboys fan, and he/she would spend 15 hours a day making asinine responses to anyone that would say anything negative about the Cowboys, or Tony Romo etc…”

    Nope, I can and will criticize Giants players/coaches as well. There’s just nothing to criticize here.

  36. hooks024 says: Aug 18, 2011 10:02 AM

    Haters love to hate eli, but my man out bradied tom brady on the biggest stage in sports. Suck on that. Go giants.

  37. patslaya says: Aug 18, 2011 10:03 AM

    99% of the people that are giving Eli crap for saying he is elite if asked would say that they were the best person at their own job. Come on people. How many of you would say that you weren’t the best person at your job even if it’s not true? Notice I said 99%, there is always the 1% that will be completely honest and say that they suck at their job and are lucky they still have it…

  38. patslaya says: Aug 18, 2011 10:05 AM

    Oh yeah, Joe Flacco said yesterday in response to the Eli backlash that he considers himself elite too. How come nobody is jumping all over him?

  39. sportswannabe says: Aug 18, 2011 10:06 AM

    “No. But then again, they didn’t have to.”

    Because their TEAMS were much better than their opponents (including the Ravens killing the Giants). Erego, they were dragged to their titles. Eli’s team was down. And they came back (twice) and won largely thanks to him.

  40. opie333 says: Aug 18, 2011 10:06 AM

    Anybody is Elite that wins a Superbowl at the QB position. OH yea even Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson! You’ve got to say they are only one of 45 guys! I would rather be a one hit wonder as to have never hit. Just ask Moon, Cunningham, and Manning Sr.

  41. rjmarrella says: Aug 18, 2011 10:06 AM

    He won a ring and did so by making a big play in the clutch. That’s more than mcnabb ever did… I have little problem with Eli “Fredo Corleone” Manning calling himself elite. But because he wears blue, I won’t call him that.

  42. p01ntman says: Aug 18, 2011 10:06 AM

    The is no Eli in Elite !

  43. m2karateman says: Aug 18, 2011 10:07 AM

    Oh yes, come to think of it…Eli won the Super Bowl all by himself, didn’t he? It was Eli that stopped the Patriots juggernaut offense, and not the Giants defense. It was Eli who threw AND CAUGHT the ball that David Tyree was credited with catching…..

    sportswannabe….your bias for Eli is beyond putrid. He’s a good quarterback, but elite doesn’t come from one quarter, one game or one season. Elite is a body of work, and just because the first three letters of “elite” spell is name, doesn’t mean it applies to him. Elite is a moniker applied by others, not by yourself. His body of work is neither elite, nor great. He’s a good NFL quarterback, nothing more.

  44. vickspreadherpes says: Aug 18, 2011 10:08 AM

    Eli,

    You cannot be considered in the same breath as Mike Vick (clearly considered a “elite” QB from the last few days of comments here) unless you:

    1) torture helpless animals in some of the most ghoulish ways you could imagine for amusement as you & your boys stood around & laughed about it.
    2) drop your beautiful wife, be treated under an assumed name for incurable disease & then spread it to other unsuspecting human beings.
    3) NEVER deliver is a big spot (FORGET YOUR SUPER BOWL MVP TROPHY).
    4) Go to jail for 2 years for your own STUPIDITY.
    5) Show clearly contrived false remorse for the horrid things you will have done but make sure you interject your arrogance as to the length of your sentence & how in some circles it wasn’t a ‘big deal”.
    6) Admit you never took your occupation seriously with your previous employer after they gave you a record setting 130M contract.
    7) LIE to anyone & everyone, be sure to continue to be that pathetic liar over & over.
    8) stop being a model citizen & get in a lot more trouble, ya need more street cred E!

    There is no doubt, when it comes to Eagle fans & other sports fans, character means NOTHING. Of course unless it’s Ben, he still gets killed even though he’s never even been arrested. I would love to see the Vick defenders if Vick was ACCUSED of forcing a girl that had a shirt on that read DTF. Everyone would be so unfair to poor Mike.

    Vick did much worse to creatures that did nothing to him & we are supposed to “forgive” it in the name of him being an “elite” QB.

    Based upon the American sports fans view – you will never be an elite QB Eli— you are too much of a human being & a good guy. You need to be more of a “hood guy”.

  45. jw731 says: Aug 18, 2011 10:08 AM

    @semperfi24
    ————————————
    HA HA HA
    No way, there can be two such trolls…….It almost defies the laws of nature……

  46. sportswannabe says: Aug 18, 2011 10:15 AM

    “Oh yes, come to think of it…Eli won the Super Bowl all by himself, didn’t he? It was Eli that stopped the Patriots juggernaut offense, and not the Giants defense. It was Eli who threw AND CAUGHT the ball that David Tyree was credited with catching…..

    sportswannabe….your bias for Eli is beyond putrid. He’s a good quarterback, but elite doesn’t come from one quarter, one game or one season. Elite is a body of work, and just because the first three letters of “elite” spell is name, doesn’t mean it applies to him. Elite is a moniker applied by others, not by yourself. His body of work is neither elite, nor great. He’s a good NFL quarterback, nothing more.”

    “Roar” went the Strawman.

    I never said he won the Super Bowl by himself. The D played great for most of the game. But the Patriots took the lead twice on them, including with 4 minutes left in the game. Who took the team down to score? Eli Manning.

    My bias for Eli is putrid? How? Because I argue that there are only 5 QB’s who definitively belong above Eli, and then use facts to back it up, as opposed to pointlessly arguing and insulting people? I mean, I know that’s the way most people do it on the Internet, but that doesn’t make it the right way.

  47. rahavort says: Aug 18, 2011 10:15 AM

    Wrong answer Eli, “elite” may in some sense be how you think of yourself, but it is more of how you perform on the field which makes you elite. Opinions mean nothing in comparison to actual statistics. Just sayin’

  48. sportsfuhnatic says: Aug 18, 2011 10:20 AM

    Good for him

  49. CKL says: Aug 18, 2011 10:21 AM

    patslaya says: Aug 18, 2011 10:05 AM

    Oh yeah, Joe Flacco said yesterday in response to the Eli backlash that he considers himself elite too. How come nobody is jumping all over him?
    ______________________________________
    Well for me it’s because I am used to hearing Flacco say dumbazz things about how great he thinks he is and whining about this and that (like his QB coach, Bulger, etc etc.). There have been multiple different stories on PFT about the WTF things Flacco has said. Not Eli though. This is the first time I’ve ever heard him say ANYTHING that made me think,” WTF?????”

  50. nukeslovesit says: Aug 18, 2011 10:23 AM

    Giants season record since 2005 (Eli’s first full season as starter):

    2005 – 11-5
    2006 – 8-8
    2007 – 10-6
    2008 – 12-4
    2009 – 8-8
    2010- 10-6

    Notice, never a losing season. Not bad in any division, nevermind its the NFC East.

    He is also a Superbowl winning QB & a Super Bowl MVP. I think he threw two 4th quarter TD’s. Kinda clutch, no? Not to mention he played great that whole playoff.

    He’s just turning 30 (prime of his career for QB’s).

    Last 2 seasons threw for over 4000 yards.

    He does however need to cut down on the int’s.

    Stats don’t tell the whole story for a QB. Eli knows how to use the tools that he has to the best of their ability.

    I’ll take him over most QB’s in this league.

  51. jdandcoke says: Aug 18, 2011 10:27 AM

    assuming eli plays seven more years in the nfl, and his production over those final seven years is equivalent to that of his first seven, here is how he would rank on the following ALL-TIME lists (obviously there are certain QB’s who are currently playing that will be on these lists in seven years time, but even so….a LOT of great qb’s have already played this game…and here is how eli would compare to them):

    passing yards 8th: behind favre, marino, payton, elway, moon, tarkenton, and testaverde.

    passes completed 6th: behind favre, marino, payton, elway and moon.

    td passes 5th: behind favre, marino, payton, and tarkenton.

    assuming he doesnt get hurt, which he basically never does, him having another seven years in this league where he maintains his current average isnt really a stretch….especially considering that his current averages factor in his rookie year where he threw only 6 td’s and passed for only a 1000 yards.

    its pretty funny…a guy who many knuckleheads claim is not even a top 15 QB currently in the league, is easily on pace to finish in the top 10 of ALL -TIME on 3 of the most important lists a QB can be on.

  52. ladymacesq says: Aug 18, 2011 10:34 AM

    Psst…. Eli…. your brother is an elite quarterback.

    You must have gotten confused. That’s okay, I changed it for you.

  53. Grulks says: Aug 18, 2011 10:36 AM

    sportswannabe says: Aug 18, 2011 9:42 AM

    It depends what you mean by elite. These guys are the only ones who definitively belong above him:

    1. Tom Brady
    2. Peyton Manning
    3. Aaron Rodgers
    ============

    Your logic is fundamentally flawed, as you aren’t using the same criteria for each qb. You’re ranking some qb’s on what they’ve won (Brady), others on who they won against/where they played (Brees), another on off field issues (Toothlessburger) which have NO BEARING on whether or not you are an elite qb, and yet still others against Eli (Ryan).

    Players have no choice who they play against week in and week out, or where they play. Its not like they get to choose what team they play for/against every week, or what stadium they play in.

    What matters in the NFL is your winning percentage, your record if you prefer. Some people like to add in SB rings as well when talking about elite Qb’s, I tend to discount that somewhat for two reasons: 1) a few qb’s have won SB’s with an elite defense, so that all they had to do was be an avg qb. See examples: Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer. 2) Dan Marino, one of the best qb’s ever, never had a supporting cast, only played in one SB. The point being, playing in/winning a SB is how well your TEAM plays as a unit. Not a measure of whether you are the best QB statistically in the league.

    By your “definition”, lets look at your list:

    Brady: won multiple SB’s, and doesn’t play in a dome.

    P Manning: won one SB, lost another, plays in a dome. 8 games in a dome, plus at least 2 warm weather games a year (Houston and Jax). Must not be elite by your reasoning.

    Rodgers: has one SB ring. Plays in a weak division against Minn and Lions, must not be elite by your reasoning.

    The only one you could put on that list is Brady: he’s won multiple super bowls, and plays outside of a dome. And that’s fine, if that’s the definition you want to use. But you’re not going to convince very many people to agree with you.

  54. gcsuk says: Aug 18, 2011 10:37 AM

    @semperfi
    Yeah, how DARE someone make a thoughtful, cogent, and well-executed response that you happen to disagree with. Therefore, they must be a troll, retard, loser, Giant lover, Eagle hater, etc…

  55. darthbaiter says: Aug 18, 2011 10:38 AM

    Shouldn’t the title be…

    Eli says being “elite” is “all about how you think of yourself” JUST ASK DADDY!

  56. bmcgrath2 says: Aug 18, 2011 10:40 AM

    Anyone can say what they want about themselves. Of course Eli is going to say he is elite. Which professional athlete would say he isn’t? While he has progressed, the truth of the matter is that if Eli Manning played anywhere but New York, he would be considered an average QB. For example, he has a career 80.2 QB rating. A career completion percentage of 58%, and has only thrown for about 215 Yards/game. Any which way you slice it, that is not elite.

  57. frantheman56 says: Aug 18, 2011 10:45 AM

    You’d think Eli had broken the law or something. The reaction over one answer to one question is ridiculous. Eli gets criticized for not talking, then when he does he gets blasted. He is a competitor…when he’s faced Tom Brady head to head he has outperformed him. By all accounts Eli can easily be considered a top10 QB, so I don’t think it would be so shocking if feels as though he’s in the same class as the top 5qbs. If Osi can claim to be a top 5 de and not catch flak for it when he’s not the best de on his own team, then Eli should not come under fire for saying he feels he’s a top 5 player at his position.

  58. sportswannabe says: Aug 18, 2011 10:54 AM

    “Your logic is fundamentally flawed, as you aren’t using the same criteria for each qb. You’re ranking some qb’s on what they’ve won (Brady), others on who they won against/where they played (Brees), another on off field issues (Toothlessburger) which have NO BEARING on whether or not you are an elite qb, and yet still others against Eli (Ryan).”

    You are misrepresenting my argument. After the top 3, I’m not truly ranking anyone, I’m putting into perspective why they wouldn’t definitively be above Eli. Also, QB’s aren’t judged on just one standard, there are several things that are very important to being a QB and measuring a QB’s success.

    Roethlisberger’s off-filed issues certainly do matter, as already they have put him in legal trouble, have caused distractions to his team, and has cost him actual games in-season.

    “Players have no choice who they play against week in and week out, or where they play. Its not like they get to choose what team they play for/against every week, or what stadium they play in.

    What matters in the NFL is your winning percentage, your record if you prefer. Some people like to add in SB rings as well when talking about elite Qb’s, I tend to discount that somewhat for two reasons: 1) a few qb’s have won SB’s with an elite defense, so that all they had to do was be an avg qb. See examples: Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer. 2) Dan Marino, one of the best qb’s ever, never had a supporting cast, only played in one SB. The point being, playing in/winning a SB is how well your TEAM plays as a unit. Not a measure of whether you are the best QB statistically in the league.”

    Eli has a .583 winning percentage in a tougher division, and if you discount his rookie season where he was suddenly thrown in midseason, he’s like .630. To discount differences in division and weather factors is to be blind to reality. It’s simply tougher to play in a blizzard then in a dome.

    “By your “definition”, lets look at your list:

    Brady: won multiple SB’s, and doesn’t play in a dome.

    P Manning: won one SB, lost another, plays in a dome. 8 games in a dome, plus at least 2 warm weather games a year (Houston and Jax). Must not be elite by your reasoning.

    Rodgers: has one SB ring. Plays in a weak division against Minn and Lions, must not be elite by your reasoning.”

    Again, you’re misrepresenting my argument. I never said playing in a dome or playing in a weak division automatically disqualifies you from being above Eli. I said they are factors, and other QBs listed haven’t distanced themselves in any real way from Eli, whereas Brady and Manning have, and I feel Rodgers has as well, even though some would argue that he hasn’t done it long enough.

    “The only one you could put on that list is Brady: he’s won multiple super bowls, and plays outside of a dome. And that’s fine, if that’s the definition you want to use. But you’re not going to convince very many people to agree with you.”

    Like I said, you’re misrepresenting my entire argument to fit your own narrative.

  59. yamchargers says: Aug 18, 2011 11:06 AM

    sportswannabe you have no idea.

    Rivers plays in the same conference as 2 QBs who are going to be rated top 10 all time! Plus Ben who, if it wasnt for off field issues, would be considered on his way there as well. Sure the divisions easy but you need to win the conference. So Rivers ususally has to beat both of those QBs. Meanwhile in the NFC in 2007 and even last year there are NO elite QBs other than a debatable Rogers. Rogers and the Pack had to beat 1 premier QB last year. Thats half as difficult as having to beat 2. You proved it yourself in your rant. Who scares you more?

    Brady
    Manning (the good one)
    Big Ben

    or
    Got lucky one time Rogers
    Got lucky one time Brees
    Got lucky one time Manning?

    Is it seriously even a debate? No. So consider who plays who a little in your “rankings”. The NFC is the kid brother when it comes to QBs. And Eli is not even at the top of the little brother list.

  60. pfii63 says: Aug 18, 2011 11:09 AM

    People seem to be playing a comparison game when determining whether or not a QB is elite. It’s not a comparison, but rather a simple question — do the sum of the player’s accomplishments raise that person to “elite” status, such that their place in football history is cemented based on past performance. “Elite” should stand the test of time.

    Since ESPN has come up with a new QB rating system, here is an old but new QB ranking system: Poor, Average, Good, Great. The arguments of many on this thread have more to do with comparing who are “good” and “great” quarterbacks as opposed to looking at the accomplishments of an individual quarterback and determining if he is “elite.” That is an utterly different question.

    Frankly, I think Eli is delusional to think of himself as an “elite” QB, but what else would we expect from a professional athlete? They have to have healthy egos to survive and Eli is no different than anyone else. But Eli is somewhere between a “good” and a “great” QB – for me though his inconsistency cements him in the “good” standing. It would not even occur to me to have a conversation about whether or not he is elite.

    Finally, in my view there are only two active elite QBs in the league… Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. There are others knocking on the door (Brees and Roethlisberger currently) , but those are the two that have the combination of personal stats, team victories and multiple championships… and I do think that championships are a required part of the “elite” conversation. Thus, while Dan Marino was a great QB, he was not elite… he couldn’t help push his team to the top, which is what leadership in professional sports is supposed to accomplish.

    If Eli wants to think of himself as elite, he is welcome to, but that doesn’t make it so.

  61. pfii63 says: Aug 18, 2011 11:12 AM

    Correction – Forehead doesn’t have multiple championships, but his personal achievements offset that for me, even as Patriots’ fan.

  62. polishrod says: Aug 18, 2011 11:13 AM

    I won a Super Bowl in Techmo. I am also elite, because thats what I consider myself.

    Thanks Bozo the Manning. What’s next? Claiming Cooper is the best F/A WR prospect??

  63. charism4 says: Aug 18, 2011 11:13 AM

    Eli, you have the same TD/TO ratio as Jeff George. Get over yourself. If you werent a Manning you’d be another Kerry Collins. Your defense won you that Super Bowl and your not even the focus of your offense.

    Two biggest QB homers on the web: Rivers fans first, Eli fans second.

  64. granadafan says: Aug 18, 2011 11:17 AM

    You can’t spell “Elite” without Eli!

    *Rimshot

    PS, yes, Archie, your son is still a punk.

  65. flboyindallas says: Aug 18, 2011 11:20 AM

    “Eli says being “elite” is “all about how you think of yourself””

    And here I thought being elite was all about how you played. Silly me.

  66. patslaya says: Aug 18, 2011 11:23 AM

    @yamchargers

    Rogers wasn’t playing in 2007 Farve was. At least you didn’t say Romo and McNabb.

  67. philly2boston says: Aug 18, 2011 11:25 AM

    dunno if its the 25 ints or the horrible non slide play @ the Meadowlands.. but sweet Jesus he owns hardwear even if he is thick as a brick in crucial spots.

  68. pigskinswag says: Aug 18, 2011 11:26 AM

    Eli says being elite is all about you you think of yourself. I think of myself as a millionaire, so I think I’ll go test that theory at my local bank.

  69. pleasantsurpriselefty says: Aug 18, 2011 11:39 AM

    He is definitely on something. If it’s just how you think of yourself then I’m Brad Pitt, Warren Buffett, and Chuck Yeager. These NY divas are all delusional, so says me, Socrates.

  70. 7to10for6allday says: Aug 18, 2011 11:50 AM

    Moron! 25 INTs , nough said!

  71. ggbblue says: Aug 18, 2011 11:52 AM

    Eli in 6 years as a starter:

    INTs

    2005: 17
    2006: 18
    2007: 20
    2008: 10
    2009: 14
    2010: 25

    total: 104

    Peyton in first 6 years as a starter

    INTs

    1998: 28
    1999: 15
    2000: 15
    2001: 23
    2002: 19
    2003: 10

    total: 110

    Brady in first 6 years as a starter

    2001: 12
    2002: 14
    2003: 12
    2004: 14
    2005: 14
    2006: 12

    total: 78

    The way Eli Manning is getting killed by the media and fans over this is bizarre.

  72. naldin77 says: Aug 18, 2011 11:56 AM

    Are you kidding me this guy throw 25 picks last year. Tom brady has never thrown more then 14. How can he say hes part of the elite that are still playing (Tom brady,Payton manning,Drew breeze.)

  73. drunkendegenerate says: Aug 18, 2011 12:04 PM

    Eli is very good when the game is on the line. The last time I checked, the Patriots f*cking cheated.

  74. opie333 says: Aug 18, 2011 12:21 PM

    The best way to see how Elite he is is put him on the trading block! Holy crap owners would go crazy! A manning on the block it would be Nuts! Mike brown would trade his whole team! LOL

  75. jimeejohnson says: Aug 18, 2011 12:23 PM

    Eli came out on top in the Super Bowl against the entire arrogant Patriots nation! Eli ruined the Patriots perfect season. Thank you, Eli, but you are NOT in the same class as Tom Brady until you win a few more big games. Brady has had a superstar career but it did not hurt to be on a great team like the Patriots. I may not root for the Patriots but I have a lot of respect for their organization. Perhaps they will get to the Super Bowl this year.

  76. mikjags says: Aug 18, 2011 1:39 PM

    That’s what the self-proclaimed ‘People’s Champ’ Freddie “FredEx” Mitchell said.

  77. test2402 says: Aug 18, 2011 2:41 PM

    Who cares about this sorry team? They will be lucky to finish ahead of the redskins.

  78. bones74 says: Aug 18, 2011 4:09 PM

    I am not a giants fan at all. I strongly agree wit spotswannabe. his list of 3 def above eli. exactly how I look at it jus cuz I simply watch how they play. those the only def ones wit skill set higher. all others same class.

  79. macjacmccoy says: Aug 18, 2011 7:21 PM

    That’s the dumbest thing I have heard in weeks. If your elite its because your performing at the pinnacle of what your doing. Its not thinking about doing it its doing it. Having a mindset that you are elite might help you become elite but it doesnt make you elite. People who are truly elite at what they do know that. Eli obviously doesnt and isnt.

  80. kamikazex8 says: Aug 23, 2011 1:15 AM

    Eli Manning is elite……and Maria Sharapova wants my phone number..

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