INTs

2005: 17
2006: 18
2007: 20
2008: 10
2009: 14
2010: 25

total: 104

Peyton in first 6 years as a starter

INTs

1998: 28
1999: 15
2000: 15
2001: 23
2002: 19
2003: 10

total: 110

Brady in first 6 years as a starter

2001: 12
2002: 14
2003: 12
2004: 14
2005: 14
2006: 12

total: 78

The way Eli Manning is getting killed by the media and fans over this is bizarre.

Rogers wasn’t playing in 2007 Farve was. At least you didn’t say Romo and McNabb.

And here I thought being elite was all about how you played. Silly me.

*Rimshot

PS, yes, Archie, your son is still a punk.

Two biggest QB homers on the web: Rivers fans first, Eli fans second.

Thanks Bozo the Manning. What’s next? Claiming Cooper is the best F/A WR prospect??

Since ESPN has come up with a new QB rating system, here is an old but new QB ranking system: Poor, Average, Good, Great. The arguments of many on this thread have more to do with comparing who are “good” and “great” quarterbacks as opposed to looking at the accomplishments of an individual quarterback and determining if he is “elite.” That is an utterly different question.

Frankly, I think Eli is delusional to think of himself as an “elite” QB, but what else would we expect from a professional athlete? They have to have healthy egos to survive and Eli is no different than anyone else. But Eli is somewhere between a “good” and a “great” QB – for me though his inconsistency cements him in the “good” standing. It would not even occur to me to have a conversation about whether or not he is elite.

Finally, in my view there are only two active elite QBs in the league… Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. There are others knocking on the door (Brees and Roethlisberger currently) , but those are the two that have the combination of personal stats, team victories and multiple championships… and I do think that championships are a required part of the “elite” conversation. Thus, while Dan Marino was a great QB, he was not elite… he couldn’t help push his team to the top, which is what leadership in professional sports is supposed to accomplish.

If Eli wants to think of himself as elite, he is welcome to, but that doesn’t make it so.

Rivers plays in the same conference as 2 QBs who are going to be rated top 10 all time! Plus Ben who, if it wasnt for off field issues, would be considered on his way there as well. Sure the divisions easy but you need to win the conference. So Rivers ususally has to beat both of those QBs. Meanwhile in the NFC in 2007 and even last year there are NO elite QBs other than a debatable Rogers. Rogers and the Pack had to beat 1 premier QB last year. Thats half as difficult as having to beat 2. You proved it yourself in your rant. Who scares you more?

Brady
Manning (the good one)
Big Ben

or
Got lucky one time Rogers
Got lucky one time Brees
Got lucky one time Manning?

Is it seriously even a debate? No. So consider who plays who a little in your “rankings”. The NFC is the kid brother when it comes to QBs. And Eli is not even at the top of the little brother list.

You are misrepresenting my argument. After the top 3, I’m not truly ranking anyone, I’m putting into perspective why they wouldn’t definitively be above Eli. Also, QB’s aren’t judged on just one standard, there are several things that are very important to being a QB and measuring a QB’s success.

Roethlisberger’s off-filed issues certainly do matter, as already they have put him in legal trouble, have caused distractions to his team, and has cost him actual games in-season.

“Players have no choice who they play against week in and week out, or where they play. Its not like they get to choose what team they play for/against every week, or what stadium they play in.

What matters in the NFL is your winning percentage, your record if you prefer. Some people like to add in SB rings as well when talking about elite Qb’s, I tend to discount that somewhat for two reasons: 1) a few qb’s have won SB’s with an elite defense, so that all they had to do was be an avg qb. See examples: Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer. 2) Dan Marino, one of the best qb’s ever, never had a supporting cast, only played in one SB. The point being, playing in/winning a SB is how well your TEAM plays as a unit. Not a measure of whether you are the best QB statistically in the league.”

Eli has a .583 winning percentage in a tougher division, and if you discount his rookie season where he was suddenly thrown in midseason, he’s like .630. To discount differences in division and weather factors is to be blind to reality. It’s simply tougher to play in a blizzard then in a dome.

“By your “definition”, lets look at your list:

Brady: won multiple SB’s, and doesn’t play in a dome.

P Manning: won one SB, lost another, plays in a dome. 8 games in a dome, plus at least 2 warm weather games a year (Houston and Jax). Must not be elite by your reasoning.

Rodgers: has one SB ring. Plays in a weak division against Minn and Lions, must not be elite by your reasoning.”

Again, you’re misrepresenting my argument. I never said playing in a dome or playing in a weak division automatically disqualifies you from being above Eli. I said they are factors, and other QBs listed haven’t distanced themselves in any real way from Eli, whereas Brady and Manning have, and I feel Rodgers has as well, even though some would argue that he hasn’t done it long enough.

“The only one you could put on that list is Brady: he’s won multiple super bowls, and plays outside of a dome. And that’s fine, if that’s the definition you want to use. But you’re not going to convince very many people to agree with you.”

Like I said, you’re misrepresenting my entire argument to fit your own narrative.

Eli says being “elite” is “all about how you think of yourself” JUST ASK DADDY!

It depends what you mean by elite. These guys are the only ones who definitively belong above him:

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Aaron Rodgers
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Your logic is fundamentally flawed, as you aren’t using the same criteria for each qb. You’re ranking some qb’s on what they’ve won (Brady), others on who they won against/where they played (Brees), another on off field issues (Toothlessburger) which have NO BEARING on whether or not you are an elite qb, and yet still others against Eli (Ryan).

Players have no choice who they play against week in and week out, or where they play. Its not like they get to choose what team they play for/against every week, or what stadium they play in.

What matters in the NFL is your winning percentage, your record if you prefer. Some people like to add in SB rings as well when talking about elite Qb’s, I tend to discount that somewhat for two reasons: 1) a few qb’s have won SB’s with an elite defense, so that all they had to do was be an avg qb. See examples: Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer. 2) Dan Marino, one of the best qb’s ever, never had a supporting cast, only played in one SB. The point being, playing in/winning a SB is how well your TEAM plays as a unit. Not a measure of whether you are the best QB statistically in the league.

By your “definition”, lets look at your list:

Brady: won multiple SB’s, and doesn’t play in a dome.

P Manning: won one SB, lost another, plays in a dome. 8 games in a dome, plus at least 2 warm weather games a year (Houston and Jax). Must not be elite by your reasoning.

Rodgers: has one SB ring. Plays in a weak division against Minn and Lions, must not be elite by your reasoning.

The only one you could put on that list is Brady: he’s won multiple super bowls, and plays outside of a dome. And that’s fine, if that’s the definition you want to use. But you’re not going to convince very many people to agree with you.

You must have gotten confused. That’s okay, I changed it for you.

passing yards 8th: behind favre, marino, payton, elway, moon, tarkenton, and testaverde.

passes completed 6th: behind favre, marino, payton, elway and moon.

td passes 5th: behind favre, marino, payton, and tarkenton.

assuming he doesnt get hurt, which he basically never does, him having another seven years in this league where he maintains his current average isnt really a stretch….especially considering that his current averages factor in his rookie year where he threw only 6 td’s and passed for only a 1000 yards.

its pretty funny…a guy who many knuckleheads claim is not even a top 15 QB currently in the league, is easily on pace to finish in the top 10 of ALL -TIME on 3 of the most important lists a QB can be on.