Bears, Forte have “dramatically different numbers”

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John Mullin, the latest member of the CSN family to join PFT Live, covers the Bears for CSNChicago.com.   As to running back Matt Forte’s quest for a new contract, Mullin reports that the Bears and the player “are thinking dramatically different numbers.”

Forte said earlier this month that he may not play in the preseason absent a new deal.  That threat apparently hasn’t gotten the team’s attention.

“We want to stay focused on the season and we also want to do the right thing by Matt,” G.M. Jerry Angelo told our friends at WSCR today, via Mullin.  “But we’ll just see how things play out.”

Forte has been a solid player, but he’s far closer to interchangeable part than transcendent tailback like Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson.  And the recent free-agency carousel has confirmed that veteran tailbacks who move chains but don’t hit home runs won’t get big money.

In three seasons, Forte has rushed for 3,236 yards.  His average per carry is 4.0.

Forte, a second-round pick in 2008, could be restricted in 2012 by the franchise tag.

51 responses to “Bears, Forte have “dramatically different numbers”

  1. Forte is better than average, but that’s as far as I’ll go in complementing him. He’s not irreplaceable by any means. So many of these guys just over inflate their own value.

  2. I love forte and I really hope he doesn’t go anywhere. But he’s severeley overvaluing himself. He’s certainly a great running back, but i wouldnt give him more than 6 million a year.

    Jamaal Charles is making what like 7 million? Forte needs to calm down.

  3. I’m sorry.

    Unless a guy is a once in a lifetime talent at RB, I’m just not breaking the bank for any of them if I am an NFL owner/GM.

    There have been waayyy too many cases where unknown guys have stepped in and performed well.

    RBs have been shown to be the most easily replaced skill position players in terms of production, they are way too dependent on a strong O-line for success, and they break down much too fast to warrant long term, big money deals.

  4. Bears are not good.
    shaky QB play
    aging defense
    porous o-line
    no real threat at receiver
    about to get rid of their workhorse back
    coach on the way out

  5. At least when I watch him play it seems like he starts to play well and then for some reason they go away from him and insert another back….and he’s never the same after that. His rythmn is thrown off or something akin to that.

    Also, the scheme tends to go run early and then it’s more throwing torwards half time.

    I think he would have even better numbers on a better (coached) team.

  6. Once again, the Bears tell their players not to bother playing above their contract because they will not be rewarded. Have fun in NY in 2012, Forte.

  7. Forte has the fifth most yards from scrimmage since he entered the league behind Peterson, Chris Johnson, Jones-Drew, and Steven Jackson. He has never caught fewer than 50 passes out of the backfield. The only year he had less than 1000 yards rushing was when he was hampered with a bad foot. He deserves big money.

  8. panthersftw says:
    Aug 19, 2011 4:10 PM
    I understand chris johnson holding out. But forte? Nah

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    If you’ve ever seen Forte play you’d understand he does a lot more for his offense than Chris Johnson. Sure Johnson had a great season 1 time, but Forte’s overall play is much better than Johnson’s.

  9. He’s good at times, but he’s nuts if he thinks he’s getting DeAngelo money. Very replaceable, although a fantastic receiving threat. He’ll put together a good game, then put up 24 yards the next week.

  10. They got rid of their long time center and the best receiver on the team, why not get rid of their best running back? The Bears front office is just a train wreck.

    6-10

  11. Maybe everybody who thinks they are worth more then what they are getting paid can all hold out and not report and we just won’t have a season again. Frigging unreal play for what your contract says and when your a free agent you can get paid.

  12. In respose, Angelo added an additional $45 million in guaranteed new money to Jay Cutler’s deal.

  13. “Bears still suck”

    Considering your tag is part of the Redskins fight song, you have absolutely no room to talk. We made the NFC championship last year, what has your SEC quality team done in the last decade?

    That’s what I thought.

  14. He’s good, definitely better than average, but more so as a receiving back.

    Unfortunately, running backs are more disposable in the eyes of teams, than they used to be.

    This is also just part of the negotiation process.

  15. They didn’t do enough to upgrade the line. Its just a matter of time before the Bears start the Hanie season. Good grief.

  16. Well that sounds typical. How about we save the cash on all the reclamation projects and give Forte a bone? I mean he has only proven to be the best player on the entire offense. But, hey that dont mean anything… and Im sure we can sign Lendale White on the cheap next year and make it all happen.

    This has been a pathetic offseason. Maybe they are expecting Forte to get hurt behind that garbage O line so it wont matter anyway… Unreal.

  17. Uh Forte’s overall play is not better than Chris Johnson’s. Forte is a nice player but opposing defenses don’t fear him.

  18. ilovefoolsball says: Aug 19, 2011 4:15 PM

    Bears are not good.
    shaky QB play
    aging defense
    porous o-line
    no real threat at receiver
    about to get rid of their workhorse back
    coach on the way out

    HMMM…
    Bears made it the NFCCG
    Cutler does not shake on the field
    Every defense is aging, its called life
    Judgin the O-line on 1 half of 1 pre-season game?
    Knox, Hester, Williams… better than a lot of receiving cores out there
    Forte is under contract, why would they get rid of him?
    Which coach? On way to where? All under contract.

    I’m sorry sir, but you make no sense.

  19. “Forte has been a solid player, but he’s far closer to interchangeable part than transcendent tailback like Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson.”

    Two things to note about this astute observation:

    1) Niether Johnson nor Peterson are available to the Bears. But then again, Forte isn’t asking for elite player money. Just more than he’s getting now.

    2) Forte is head and shoulders above anything the Bears have had since Sweetness retired.

    They need to pay him. They have a ton of cash under the cap. Might as well make their RB happy.

  20. chc4 says:
    Aug 19, 2011 4:39 PM
    Uh Forte’s overall play is not better than Chris Johnson’s. Forte is a nice player but opposing defenses don’t fear him.
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    Forte is what you would call a “feature back”, Johnson is what is called a “change of pace back”. That being said Forte can run block better, he can catch better, run better routes, he can move the pile better. CJ might run faster and quicker, but overall isn’t as good all around player.

  21. pitt
    bal
    jax
    hou
    ten
    oak
    kc
    phi
    gia
    min
    car
    atl
    stl
    sf
    maybe cleveland

    thats your list of teams he could not start for. pay him accordingly.

  22. medtxpack says:
    Aug 19, 2011 4:10 PM
    Bears front office is not good.

    ————————————————–
    What’s a “front office”?

    Regards,

    A Bengals fan.

  23. All these ” The Bears still suck” posts crack me up. The inbreds are out in full force today. Usually they are at their family reunions picking up chicks. But I guess since their team actually does suck they have to satisfy themselves some how. You know who you are.

  24. ilovefoolsball says: Aug 19, 2011 4:15 PM

    Bears are not good.
    shaky QB play
    aging defense
    porous o-line
    no real threat at receiver
    about to get rid of their workhorse back
    coach on the way out

    HMMM…
    Bears made it the NFCCG
    Cutler does not shake on the field
    Every defense is aging, its called life
    Judgin the O-line on 1 half of 1 pre-season game?
    Knox, Hester, Williams… better than a lot of receiving cores out there
    Forte is under contract, why would they get rid of him?
    Which coach? On way to where? All under contract.

    I’m sorry sir, but you make no sense.

    HMMMM…
    Bears got lucky (week1) and got stomped in the NFCCG
    Cutler doesnt shake on the field, youre right, he quits and go and shakes on the bench. Seriously he sucks.
    Every defense is not aging, look what Philly did, the Pack D is overwhelmingly young, even the Bucs. We know you love Urlacher but ol grampa is aging faster than usual.
    Your O line is in shambles, was last year, is still this year after getting rid of some vets like Olin.
    Knox (not a true #1), Hester (not really a WR, can catch but better at special teams, and Williams, we will see but dont hold your breath). The bears missed the bus on getting some more WR pick ups in FA.
    Its not a factor of the Bears getting rid of Forte but Forte saying F.U. Chicago cause you wont pay my ass what i arguably deserve.
    Coaches….Mike Tice in particular, see O line play from last year and their FA upgrades,…wait downgrades….seriously you shipped Olin away.

    Fixed, dont make me type so much next time. Learn football.

  25. ajknox88 says:

    If you’ve ever seen Forte play you’d understand he does a lot more for his offense than Chris Johnson. Sure Johnson had a great season 1 time, but Forte’s overall play is much better than Johnson’s.

    ====================

    I guarantee you there isn’t one GM or coach who would take Forte over Johnson.

    Not one.

    And I think that they’ve probably seen Forte play.

  26. asublimeday says: Aug 19, 2011 4:25 PM

    “Bears still suck”

    Considering your tag is part of the Redskins fight song, you have absolutely no room to talk. We made the NFC championship last year, what has your SEC quality team done in the last decade?

    That’s what I thought.
    ______________________________________

    well, I DO recall last season a certain DB from Washington having more INT return yards than Bears receivers and his jersey being sent to canton courtesy of Cutler all while the Skins beat YOU!!! I’m not sayin’…I’m just sayin’

  27. medtxpack says: Aug 19, 2011 5:30 PM

    ilovefoolsball says: Aug 19, 2011 4:15 PM

    Bears are not good.
    shaky QB play
    aging defense
    porous o-line
    no real threat at receiver
    about to get rid of their workhorse back
    coach on the way out

    HMMM…
    Bears made it the NFCCG
    Cutler does not shake on the field
    Every defense is aging, its called life
    Judgin the O-line on 1 half of 1 pre-season game?
    Knox, Hester, Williams… better than a lot of receiving cores out there
    Forte is under contract, why would they get rid of him?
    Which coach? On way to where? All under contract.

    I’m sorry sir, but you make no sense.

    HMMMM…
    Bears got lucky (week1) and got stomped in the NFCCG
    Cutler doesnt shake on the field, youre right, he quits and go and shakes on the bench. Seriously he sucks.
    Every defense is not aging, look what Philly did, the Pack D is overwhelmingly young, even the Bucs. We know you love Urlacher but ol grampa is aging faster than usual.
    Your O line is in shambles, was last year, is still this year after getting rid of some vets like Olin.
    Knox (not a true #1), Hester (not really a WR, can catch but better at special teams, and Williams, we will see but dont hold your breath). The bears missed the bus on getting some more WR pick ups in FA.
    Its not a factor of the Bears getting rid of Forte but Forte saying F.U. Chicago cause you wont pay my ass what i arguably deserve.
    Coaches….Mike Tice in particular, see O line play from last year and their FA upgrades,…wait downgrades….seriously you shipped Olin away.

    Fixed, dont make me type so much next time. Learn football.

    ———————————————————-
    @medtxpac

    Looks like you need a little help with football, even though you are a supposed expert.

    The Bears got lucky in week 1 and that makes the awful. You’re right, because no other team has EVER been lucky before. And all those other wins last season? Well, I guess that was all “luck” too. Yes the Bears got whooped in the NFCCG, and rightfully so. But if you want to talk about luck, how about the Pack’s opposing QB going out. Now that seems significantly more lucky than some bs game one against the Lions.

    Yes. Cutler is a quiter. So are all the other quarterbacks that endured torn ligaments and bad injuries. What a bunch of losers.

    Now I may not be as good at math as you, but moving from the 19th ranked D in 2009 to the 4th in 2010 seems like an improvement. Yes, Urlacher is aging. But 96 solo tackles, 2 FF, 1 int and 4 sacks seem pretty good for a an old man in 2010. Lemmie guess, Ray Lewis is awful too?

    Bears O-Line is horrendous. No argument there.

    No argument with the receiving core. They will bury Knox on the depth chart under a slow and “out of shape” Roy Williams.

    I doubt Forte will say “FU” to Chicago. The Bears management actually tends to reward their players, and if anything hold on to them too long! Forte is under contract and is the 2nd best RB in the NFC North by a mile. He will be locked up.

    Nobody will want to touch Martz after the oncoming disaster that will probably be 2011-2012. And where is Tice going to go? Didn’t you just say the O-Line is in shambles? Are “shamble coaches” a hot commodity in the NFL? (Please, don’t answer that question Al Davis.)

  28. Forte has been the 5th best all-purpose back of the last 3 years, and that includes his injury-weakened 2009 season.

    Pay the man.

  29. ilovefoolsball –

    Who is old on this defense? Urlacher, Briggs, Peppers and Tillman are the only ones in their 30’s on Defense, and none of them old that defense back.

  30. Barber and Bell are going to have good years and if Forte wants to sit they’ll have even better years. I like Forte but he’s not Walter and frankly, he’s not even Neal. Go Bears!
    11-5.

  31. @ ihaterogergoodell

    must be nice to live so ignorant.

    SUPER BOWL dude. SUPER BOWL…we didnt just make it, we won it. i dont have the energy or the time to repsond to each one of your narrow-minded comments.

  32. Lets be honest, Forte is not a game breaking, scare the heck out of defenses running back. He is better than average but not scary. Thus, he is replaceable and should understand he aint breaking any tackles running back. He’s only worth so much.

  33. Well, if he doesn’t play, the sun will still rise, the grass will still grow… Um, wait a minute on that last one.

  34. @medtxpac

    Please tell me how I am living “ignorantly?” Maybe it’s all the ACTUAL stats I use to make my argument.

    And what does the Superbowl have to do with anything? You made ignorant comments concerning the Bears. Nobody was talking about the Packers. Take the Trolling somewhere else.

    You don’t have time or energy to argue, because you don’t even know what you are arguing about anymore. Classic Trolling 101. You tell others to learn football??? You should do the same and learn how to make an argument while you are at it.

    And who’s “we”? Are you a partial owner of Green Bay, or were you on the roster? You give intelligent Packers fans a bad name.

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