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What we learned on Saturday night

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America’s favorite running segment quickly summarizing preseason games is back.  Check out Thursday and Friday’s “what we learned” or go back to Week One of the preseason if you dare.

Texans 27, Saints 14

1. Houston’s offense absolutely steamrolled New Orleans’ vanilla-looking group. (The two teams play again in Week Three.)  Arian Foster and Ben Tate look plenty healthy running the ball.

2. The Saints lost free agent pickup Aubrayo Franklin to a sprained MCL.

3. The play of Saints undrafted rookie receiver Joe Morgan is becoming hard to ignore.

4. Mario Williams showed improvement in his second game at outside linebacker.

49ers 17, Raiders 3

1. Alex Smith moved the ball better this time around with some long drives, but the 49ers starters only scored three points.  Rookie backup Colin Kaepernick looked solid as well, but Smith looks locked into the starting job.

2. Jason Campbell left the game early and was tested for a concussion after.  Oakland’s offense has struggled in all facets in two preseason games.

3. 49ers rookie Kendall Hunter hasn’t overly impressed in camp, but he was dynamic last night. The kid has rare speed and terrific moves in the open field. If Hunter can pass protect, he should get a lot of run behind Frank Gore.

4. Braylon Edwards made a big impact with a beautiful long catch. With Michael Crabtree hurt, Edwards was a key pickup.

Rams 17, Titans 16

1. Except for a 83-yard score to Brandon Gibson on a blown coverage early, Sam Bradford and the Rams starting offese struggled.  It was 16-7 Titans at halftime.

2. Matt Hasselbeck left the game early, but it wasn’t a serious injury.  Jake Locker once again looked promising in relief, but not so promising that he should be starting. Locker was inaccurate on a number of throws.

It’s been a nice preseason overall for both Titans quarterbacks.

3. No one really stepped up in the Rams receiver battle. Gibson looks like the No. 1 guy at the moment and it’s unclear after that.

Broncos 24, Bills 10

1. Kyle Orton and Brady Quinn both looked sharp for the Broncos. Tim Tebow barely played.

2. Willis McGahee looks a little revived in Denver. The Broncos have been effective running in both preseason games, with McGahee back to his role as touchdown vulture.

3. Buffalo’s offensive line was overmatched, especially left tackle Demetrius Bell.

4. Really, there wasn’t a lot of positives for the Bills.  C.J. Spiller didn’t show he was worthy of starting. Running back Johnny White and wide receiver Donald Jones both left after taking nasty hits.

Vikings 20, Seahawks 7

1. Tarvaris Jackson didn’t look great, but Seattle’s offensive line was the real problem Saturday night.

2. Seahawks fans (and Lawyer Milloy) are straining to see Charlie Whitehurst as the answer.  His YPA is under 5.5 in two outings.  This preseason hasn’t told us much.

3. Minnesota’s short passing game was pretty effective under Donovan McNabb.  Rookie Christian Ponder looked like a rookie again. We’re not sure if he’s much ahead of Joe Webb at this point, if at all.

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59 Responses to “What we learned on Saturday night”
  1. rboyett says: Aug 21, 2011 2:39 PM

    Yea, the Saints definitely left something to be desired in the play on both sides of the ball. However I don’t feel bad for my team. It’s just preseason. A nice slap like this can only be a good thing for them.

  2. 6stairwayto7 says: Aug 21, 2011 2:42 PM

    I learned that the Steelers might have to start their own league sooner than expected. Competition in the NFL just isn’t on our level. A shame really.

  3. nomoreseasontix says: Aug 21, 2011 2:51 PM

    Braylon Edwards may be a semi-literate scumbag, but he looked good yesterday.

  4. kayotiicdat says: Aug 21, 2011 2:56 PM

    Texans showed us their cards, we play again in week 3.. I highly doubt Sean Payton was willing to show any of his cards. Saints will be back into old form in no time. Not worried one bit.

  5. RussianBreadMaker says: Aug 21, 2011 2:57 PM

    Tebow needs to pray that he isnt cut. LOL @ 3rd stringers with endorsement deals.

  6. mdd913 says: Aug 21, 2011 3:01 PM

    That Saints-Texans game was as meaningless a preseason game as I’ve ever seen. I didn’t see anything for a fan of either side to get excited about. I think I fell asleep before halftime.

  7. supersuckers3 says: Aug 21, 2011 3:05 PM

    Rookie Christian Ponder looked like a rookie again. We’re not sure if he’s much ahead of Joe Webb at this point, if at all.

    —–

    At this point what would the Vikings give up for Matt Flynn?? Probably an entire draft class Ditka style. Makes sense. They don’t know what to do with a draft and they need a top tier QB. Trust me. Steady Teddy would listen..

  8. diehardraidersfan says: Aug 21, 2011 3:08 PM

    “Oakland’s offense has struggled in all facets in two preseason games.”
    ….
    With McFadden and Murphy out, plus the changes in the O-line, it will take time to see the true identity of this offense.

  9. pthompson1187 says: Aug 21, 2011 3:08 PM

    @6stairwayto7 take the packers with you in your new league and watch them kick your ass every game as Ben gets owned, mendenhall fumbles, and the defense gets worked by rodgers and the greenbay offense.

  10. txtuff says: Aug 21, 2011 3:13 PM

    The Texans 24 first half points against New Orleans vanilla defense was by a Texans vanilla offense.

  11. naednek says: Aug 21, 2011 3:20 PM

    “Oakland’s offense has struggled in all facets in two preseason games.”
    ….
    With McFadden and Murphy out, plus the changes in the O-line, it will take time to see the true identity of this offense.
    —————-

    Oh we all ready know what to expect from the Raiders. Just look at the last 10 years for your answer

  12. PurpleRaid18 says: Aug 21, 2011 3:30 PM

    “I learned that the Steelers might have to start their own league sooner than expected. Competition in the NFL just isn’t on our level. A shame really.”

    ____________________________________

    Interesting, cause I heard Rex Grossman and the Redskins just beat you guys last week… A shame really.

  13. brewdogg says: Aug 21, 2011 3:44 PM

    I’m hoping the Steelers do start their own league. Than they can play with themselves, and their fans can play with themselves, and they will all stay off NFL websites. Harrison can do a little helmet-to-helmet with whoever he wants, I’m sure their commissioner won’t mind….especially if he gets his turn too.

    Sorry Deb. Your fellow Steelers fans are somewhat annoying.

  14. egls7 says: Aug 21, 2011 3:47 PM

    @6stairwayto7

    Yeah you all should start your own league consisting of the steelers playing fellow convicts. I bet the mean machine(longest yard) would kick your a$$

  15. cusoman says: Aug 21, 2011 3:50 PM

    supersuckers3 says:
    Aug 21, 2011 3:05 PM

    At this point what would the Vikings give up for Matt Flynn?? Probably an entire draft class Ditka style. Makes sense. They don’t know what to do with a draft and they need a top tier QB. Trust me. Steady Teddy would listen..

    —————

    Right, because Rodgers was just knocking them dead right out of the gates in his rookie preseason too.

    Aaron Rodgers 16 of 9 65yds TD: 0 INT: 1 Rating: 39.8

  16. hailvictory10 says: Aug 21, 2011 3:56 PM

    WHY all the TEBOW hate? Im not a Gator nor a Broncos fan…..but if you cant root for Tebow, than you are a D Bag

    The guy is just a great person

    Go get em Tim

  17. nmunderdog says: Aug 21, 2011 4:08 PM

    The way things are going this preseason, the Raiders are going to be the AFC West doormats once again. Denver will be the surprise team of the year. Orton will be an MVP candidate.

  18. textexington says: Aug 21, 2011 4:18 PM

    Packers > Steelers

  19. leadhsr says: Aug 21, 2011 4:19 PM

    We learned that this year even more people hate pre-season. Has the NFL released attendance figures yet? It seems like every game I’ve tuned into this year has been played in a half to two-thirds empty stadium…

  20. oldhamletman says: Aug 21, 2011 5:30 PM

    Maybe the Broncos will be able to fool Miami into taking Quinn….. oh the irony…. not so far fetched now

  21. mdd913 says: Aug 21, 2011 6:06 PM

    We learned that this year even more people hate pre-season. Has the NFL released attendance figures yet? It seems like every game I’ve tuned into this year has been played in a half to two-thirds empty stadium…

    ———————————————–

    Have to agree. Preseason has been incredibly lame this year, even by preseason standards. Yawn. wake me up when the real season starts.

  22. purplehayseuss says: Aug 21, 2011 6:15 PM

    hailvictory10 says: Aug 21, 2011 3:56 PM

    WHY all the TEBOW hate? Im not a Gator nor a Broncos fan…..but if you cant root for Tebow, than you are a D Bag

    The guy is just a great person

    Go get em Tim

    ***

    Neither am I a fan of of Tebow’s in any league. But a quality human being does not a great player make. Madieu Williams is a fantastic example of a great human being and an asset to the NFL, yet was cut unceremoniously. So was Joey Harrington and a host of others that didn’t exactly pan out for NFL glory. Tebow is currently on that track. Tebow has the endorsement(s) because of his obvious crowd- and hence DOLLAR-draw. If he’s cut, the haters will spew harder and faster. If he’s stuck at #3 QB for the Broncos, his fans will still love him, but his deals may expire or get smaller. Tebow is simply a reasonable risk for the corps that want to profit from his draw.

  23. theduuuuuuuuuude says: Aug 21, 2011 6:26 PM

    supersuckers3 says:

    At this point what would the Vikings give up for Matt Flynn?? Probably an entire draft class Ditka style. Makes sense. They don’t know what to do with a draft and they need a top tier QB. Trust me. Steady Teddy would listen..

    ————————————————

    Matt Flynn? No thanks.

  24. dailynorseman says: Aug 21, 2011 8:03 PM

    At this point what would the Vikings give up for Matt Flynn?? Probably an entire draft class Ditka style. Makes sense. They don’t know what to do with a draft and they need a top tier QB. Trust me. Steady Teddy would listen..

    Why would the Vikings trade an entire draft class for somebody that sucks?

    Besides, isn’t Matt Flynn still standing on about the 40-yard line in Foxboro waiting for Mike McCarthy to call a play?

  25. Deb says: Aug 21, 2011 9:02 PM

    @brewdogg …

    Thanks :) I don’t think 6stairwayto7 is one of ours. He’s getting a head start on Halloween by dressing up as a Steelers commenter.

  26. Deb says: Aug 21, 2011 9:13 PM

    Seems Josh McDaniels tried to screw over several people, but his biggest victim–unintentionally–may wind up being Tebow. The guy is a phenomenal football player, but doesn’t necessarily have the makings of an NFL QB. If he’d gone in the third or fourth round, teams could play around with him at tight end or running back–or give him time to work on his throwing mechanics. But by moving up to take him in round one, McDaniels put him in a higher pay bracket and increased public expectations for him to quickly become a starter. Now anything less and he’ll be viewed as a bust.

  27. kcorrect says: Aug 21, 2011 9:19 PM

    @nmunderdog
    so you might want to check last years score board. Oakland screws the pooch enough, but they’re no door mat for the AFC west. They swept the division last year.

  28. supersuckers3 says: Aug 21, 2011 9:35 PM

    theduuuuuuuuuude says:
    Aug 21, 2011 6:26 PM
    supersuckers3 says:

    At this point what would the Vikings give up for Matt Flynn?? Probably an entire draft class Ditka style. Makes sense. They don’t know what to do with a draft and they need a top tier QB. Trust me. Steady Teddy would listen..

    ————————————————

    Matt Flynn? No thanks.
    ——–

    Viking fan? Would explain the lack of eye for talent. Flynn is going to be a star in the NFL. I heard Viking fans say “good luck with Aaron Rodgers” after Favre retired. oopsie.. McCarthy is a QB developing genious and Tom Clements is right behind him as his right hand man.

  29. dailynorseman says: Aug 21, 2011 10:06 PM

    Flynn is going to be a star in the NFL.

    Just like Scott Mitchell, right?

  30. supersuckers3 says: Aug 21, 2011 10:23 PM

    dailynorseman says:
    Aug 21, 2011 10:06 PM
    Flynn is going to be a star in the NFL.

    Just like Scott Mitchell, right?
    —————-

    I never said Scott Mitchell was going to be a star. But go ahead and doubt me and in November 2012 you’ll remember “oh yeah that idiot Supersh!thead got another one right”

  31. supersuckers3 says: Aug 21, 2011 10:35 PM

    Besides, isn’t Matt Flynn still standing on about the 40-yard line in Foxboro waiting for Mike McCarthy to call a play?

    ———–

    It was 4th down. He was being told to clock the nut. Time was not the issue. Communication was.

  32. supersuckers3 says: Aug 21, 2011 10:45 PM

    “Why would the Vikings trade an entire draft class for somebody that sucks?”

    ———

    Because they cannot draft and develop. Every QB that starts for them is a journeyman free agent. They do not know how to draft and develop their core. Any educated football fan knows this. If you remove yourself from the situation and look back at the Minnesota QB’s you would realize this. The NFL is a different game then it was in the past. Ball Control football teams do not win anymore. Explosiveness does. Defense does. And most importantly, realizing that your core should not be purchased through free agency. AKA Randy Moss and the vomiting on the locker room. Free Agency rarely works and when it does it is because of the mindset of that particular individual. Building throught it?? 3-5 years of losing football games until someone figures it out.

    Sincerely,

    Daniel Snyder

  33. Deb says: Aug 21, 2011 11:01 PM

    @super …

    Where do you think Flynn will be in Nov. 2012? If he stays in Green Bay, he won’t have an opportunity to prove you right as long as Rodgers stays healthy.

  34. supersuckers3 says: Aug 21, 2011 11:14 PM

    Deb says:
    Aug 21, 2011 11:01 PM
    @super …

    Where do you think Flynn will be in Nov. 2012? If he stays in Green Bay, he won’t have an opportunity to prove you right as long as Rodgers stays healthy.
    —————–

    I have no idea. But I guarantee it will not be in Green Bay. Barring a career ending injury to the man.

  35. sieg1234 says: Aug 22, 2011 12:35 AM

    Jake Locker looked promising how exactly? His 30ish QBRtg? His 0 TD, 1 INT performance? His 8/18 performance (44.4%)? He was brutal. Get a clue.

  36. brewdogg says: Aug 22, 2011 12:52 AM

    @super

    I think the only thing that supersucks is your memory…. But let me help you out.

    In McCarthy’s time in KC, he was given charge of developing drafted QBs Steve Stenstrom, Steve Matthews, and Pat Barnes. Yeah, I’ve never heard of them either.

    In New Orleans, Marc Bulger was waived as a rookie and JT O’Sullivan was kept for three years. Good eye for talent there…..

    And as a Packers coach… Tell me, where are Ingle Martin, Brian Brohm, and Craig Nall these days? As far as I can tell, the only QB he can possibly take credit for is Rodgers. What other QB has he been charged with developing has had any success in the NFL?

    And Clements claim to fame is what again? Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox? Or is it the two years he spent with JP Losman that gives you such confidence?

    So do tell us all what basis you have for your claims, aside from your belief that everyone who stands on the home sideline at Lambeau is the best in the league……

  37. sieg1234 says: Aug 22, 2011 12:59 AM

    What’s your obsession with YpA? Yeah, over an entire season 5.5 isn’t very acceptable…but why are you focusing SOLELY on that when Whitehurst has compelted almost 72% of his passes? With 1 TD, 0 INT’s, and a 93 QBRtg…

    Tarvaris is under 54%, 0 TD’s, 1 INT (it wasn’t his fault), and a 40ish QBRtg (might be 50 w/o that INT). He’s been a joke. Oh and your holy grail of stats that you love to toss around, his YpA is 3.4.

    I wonder if the Hawks are getting the idea of why Tarvaris was being “jerked around” in Minny…b/c he’s a terrible QB, duh. If Whitehurst doesn’t start over him then it shows that the incompetence that is the Seattle Seahawks.

  38. brewdogg says: Aug 22, 2011 1:36 AM

    supersuckers3 says:
    Aug 21, 2011 10:45 PM

    “Because they cannot draft and develop. Every QB that starts for them is a journeyman free agent. They do not know how to draft and develop their core. Any educated football fan knows this. If you remove yourself from the situation and look back at the Minnesota QB’s you would realize this.”

    Ah yes, the good old Packers standby…. So since the career-ending injury to Culpepper, who exactly do you think the Vikings should have drafted? Maybe in 2007 they should have skipped Peterson to draft Brady Quinn, Drew Stanton, or Trent Edwards. Or in 2008, maybe they should have taken Brian Brohm, Chad Henne, or Kevin O’Connell. 2009? Yeah, they really screwed up there, taking Harvin when Pat White was still available. the next QB drafted after him was Stephen McGee in the 4th.

    As to the rest of it, perhaps you missed the part where 3 Vikings drafted and developed players were given large contracts in FA this year. Apparently the front office people around the league don’t share the view of “any educated football fan”.

    “The NFL is a different game then it was in the past. Ball Control football teams do not win anymore. Explosiveness does.”

    Tell that to the almost undefeated Patriots……

    ” And most importantly, realizing that your core should not be purchased through free agency. Free Agency rarely works and when it does it is because of the mindset of that particular individual. Building throught it?? 3-5 years of losing football games until someone figures it out.”

    It seems to me that, up until this last year, the Vikings had done quite well with it. Let’s see, that’s 9 acquisitions that were starters over 6 years, 6 went to the PB as Vikings, and the record improved every year all the way to the NFCCG. But one bad season and it’s all a waste, right? We’ll see…..

  39. cusoman says: Aug 22, 2011 11:12 AM

    Right, because Rodgers was just knocking them dead right out of the gates in his rookie preseason too.

    Aaron Rodgers 16 of 9 65yds TD: 0 INT: 1 Rating: 39.8

    —————-

    Whoops, that should have read 9 of 16, but you get the point.

  40. ridle9 says: Aug 22, 2011 1:32 PM

    With the Vikings, I am not worried about Ponder. I think he has good feet and is intelligent. His arm is a little weak, but I think he can get the job done…IN THE FUTURE! He is not an NFL QB today, but I think he could be.
    Donovan will get the Vikes to a respectable turn around this year. I think we will be 9-7…maybe. We will miss the playoffs, but the key is how Ponder develops for 2012.
    Our defensive coverage has been suspect and often pitiful for years and my fear is that we are headed down that same road.
    Finally, I like Booker so far. He looks like a high energy, quick feet, good solid backup and returner.

  41. supersuckers3 says: Aug 22, 2011 4:50 PM

    cusoman says:
    Aug 22, 2011 11:12 AM
    Right, because Rodgers was just knocking them dead right out of the gates in his rookie preseason too.

    Aaron Rodgers 16 of 9 65yds TD: 0 INT: 1 Rating: 39.8

    —————-

    Whoops, that should have read 9 of 16, but you get the point.
    ———

    No I do not get the point. Flynn is a 4th year pro. Not a rookie.

    ———————

    ” What other QB has he been charged with developing has had any success in the NFL?”

    Rich Gannon has publicly stated McCarthy is the reason he was a MVP.

  42. supersuckers3 says: Aug 22, 2011 4:55 PM

    brewdogg says:
    Aug 22, 2011 12:52 AM
    @super

    I think the only thing that supersucks is your memory…. But let me help you out.

    In McCarthy’s time in KC, he was given charge of developing drafted QBs Steve Stenstrom, Steve Matthews, and Pat Barnes. Yeah, I’ve never heard of them either.

    In New Orleans, Marc Bulger was waived as a rookie and JT O’Sullivan was kept for three years. Good eye for talent there…..

    And as a Packers coach… Tell me, where are Ingle Martin, Brian Brohm, and Craig Nall these days? As far as I can tell, the only QB he can possibly take credit for is Rodgers. What other QB has he been charged with developing has had any success in the NFL?

    And Clements claim to fame is what again? Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox? Or is it the two years he spent with JP Losman that gives you such confidence?

    So do tell us all what basis you have for your claims, aside from your belief that everyone who stands on the home sideline at Lambeau is the best in the league……
    ————–

    Right now as it sits I’d take 50 percent of those names listed above before McNabb. Just saying… I’ll be proven right again…just wait. Where is Majik and Beer Cheese?? My correctness and superior knowledge embarrased them so much they had to change their screenames. And Deb, Flynn is in his contract year. He wants starter money and his head coach publicly states that he is ready to start and be a high powered QB. Your 2012 comment made no sense unless you didnt know this.

  43. supersuckers3 says: Aug 22, 2011 5:00 PM

    “Vikings, and the record improved every year all the way to the NFCCG. But one bad season and it’s all a waste, right? We’ll see…..”

    ———-

    Yep. they went for it. They went all in to get that one title and kudos to them for getting close. But building for long term success is not done that way which you have started to see with last year’s Minnesota team. This years isnt going to be much better. They’ll win some games but if they are in the playoff picture graphic on the TV come December I’d be shocked, impressed, and admit that I was wrong. And I dont mean mathematicall still alive at 5-8. I mean in the hunt realistically. Who mentioned the 2007 Patriots and said they were a ball control team when their offense set every record in the book??? What a bunch of kabuke….

  44. supersuckers3 says: Aug 22, 2011 5:10 PM

    Kabuki not kabuke. To Waaaaaaaaaaaay different meanings. Lord i apologize for that right there…..

  45. paulharghis says: Aug 22, 2011 6:35 PM

    I’d rather hug Magic Johnson after he rolled around in barbed wire than read another post by beercheesesoup.

  46. brewdogg says: Aug 22, 2011 6:35 PM

    That Patriots team lost the Super Bowl to….get ready for it…..a ball control team. Do you need me to review that for you?

  47. Deb says: Aug 22, 2011 9:40 PM

    @super …

    No, I didn’t know he was in the final year of his contract.

    I like what I’ve seen of him. He was a good QB at LSU. Didn’t make as much of an impression on me as Mallett did at Arkansas, but he beat my Crimson Tide. Loved his play against New England … up until the whole thing fell apart at the end. But that’s on McCarthy.

    But, super, I don’t care if you’re talking about the Vikes, the Cardinals, or the Manningless Colts and the second coming of Johnny U. No single player is worth giving up an entire draft. And as far as the Vikes are concerned, McNabb is a stop-gap. Ponder is their future. Let’s give him more than a couple of preseason games before deciding he’s a bust.

  48. supersuckers3 says: Aug 22, 2011 10:09 PM

    Deb says:
    Aug 22, 2011 9:40 PM
    @super …

    No, I didn’t know he was in the final year of his contract.

    I like what I’ve seen of him. He was a good QB at LSU. Didn’t make as much of an impression on me as Mallett did at Arkansas, but he beat my Crimson Tide. Loved his play against New England … up until the whole thing fell apart at the end. But that’s on McCarthy.

    But, super, I don’t care if you’re talking about the Vikes, the Cardinals, or the Manningless Colts and the second coming of Johnny U. No single player is worth giving up an entire draft. And as far as the Vikes are concerned, McNabb is a stop-gap. Ponder is their future. Let’s give him more than a couple of preseason games before deciding he’s a bust.
    ——-

    Fair enough. I do agree that the kid from Arkansas that was drafted by New England impressed me the most out of all of the QB’s in this class. To me it wasn’t even close. But wasnt Gus Frerote a stop gap for Jackson? i mean truly when you are using stop gaps its like putting bubble gum on a water leak.

  49. supersuckers3 says: Aug 22, 2011 10:26 PM

    “brewdogg says:
    Aug 22, 2011 6:35 PM
    That Patriots team lost the Super Bowl to….get ready for it…..a ball control team. Do you need me to review that for you?”

    —————

    The 2007 Giants that threw the ball nearly 100 more times then they ran it??? You’re right. Thats as close to a running, ball control team as we will get these days. Holy smokes….

  50. Deb says: Aug 22, 2011 10:52 PM

    @super …

    Thanks for the laugh … because that’s what I do whenever I hear “Gus Frerotte.” I just visualize him headbutting that wall and crack up :lol:

    Poor, poor Gus.

    I know what you’re saying, but I think it’s okay to bring in a McNabb or Hasselbeck to help prep your future starter.

  51. brewdogg says: Aug 23, 2011 9:29 AM

    supersuckers3 says:
    Aug 22, 2011 10:26 PM
    “brewdogg says:
    Aug 22, 2011 6:35 PM
    That Patriots team lost the Super Bowl to….get ready for it…..a ball control team. Do you need me to review that for you?”

    —————

    The 2007 Giants that threw the ball nearly 100 more times then they ran it??? You’re right. Thats as close to a running, ball control team as we will get these days. Holy smokes….
    ——————————-

    Your entire criteria for the definition of a ball control offense is the number of pass plays versus the number of run plays? Holy smokes….. I guess I do need to review it for you.

    1) RBs accounted for 45% of total offense

    2) The top 3 receivers (starting WRs and TE) accounted for 186 receptions, while all other WRs and TEs accumulated 49, suggesting very little spread formations

    3) Eli’s YPA was 6.3. So explosive…. Maybe an indication of short passing? Hmmm….. 5th lowest in the league amongst starters

    4) 36 20+ comp (8th worst) and 6 40+ comp (7th worst)

    5) 5th highest ToP in the league

    But you’re right. They threw the ball 100 more times than they ran it. Must have been a real fireworks show, and I just don’t remember it right.

  52. supersuckers3 says: Aug 23, 2011 10:41 AM

    “But you’re right. They threw the ball 100 more times than they ran it. Must have been a real fireworks show, and I just don’t remember it right.”

    ——–

    You actually took the five minutes to look those stats up? The games changed sir and if you can’t see the NFL is a pass first league with your own eyes then I certainly cannot help educate you either.

  53. reddogdogred says: Aug 23, 2011 3:27 PM

    “brewdogg says:
    Aug 22, 2011 6:35 PM
    That Patriots team lost the Super Bowl to….get ready for it…..a ball control team. Do you need me to review that for you?”

    ——————————————————————-the giants winning the Superbowl that year was nothing more than a fluke. They have done little since, and will do little again.

  54. brewdogg says: Aug 23, 2011 4:10 PM

    supersuckers3 says:
    Aug 23, 2011 10:41 AM
    “But you’re right. They threw the ball 100 more times than they ran it. Must have been a real fireworks show, and I just don’t remember it right.”

    ——–

    You actually took the five minutes to look those stats up? The games changed sir and if you can’t see the NFL is a pass first league with your own eyes then I certainly cannot help educate you either.
    ———————–

    In 2010, 4 of the top 8 teams in passing failed to reach the .500 mark. Conversely, 12 of the top 15 in rushing were above .500

    Maybe it’s just the fact that the Packers haven’t been able to effectively run the ball in years that is clouding your vision…… That will happen when you have to go back to 2004 to see your team ranked higher than 14th, and 6 0f the last 8 years being in the bottom 12 of the league.

    Regardless, your contention is a matter of perception, not fact. It’s not the first time it has happened. maybe you’re too young to remember the run-and-shoot, but those of us who aren’t are also not jumping on the concept that it’s a pass-first league.

    This is the NFL, son. It is, was, always has been, and always will be about balance. You need to be good in all facets of the game to be effective. And the recurring mantra that always comes back around is “run the ball, stop the run”. It has happened before, it will happen again, and then you will look dumb. Again.

  55. cusoman says: Aug 23, 2011 8:49 PM

    supersuckers3 says:
    Aug 22, 2011 4:50 PM

    No I do not get the point. Flynn is a 4th year pro. Not a rookie.

    ————–

    You need to work on your reading comprehension bro, my original reply was based on your statement “They don’t know what to do with a draft and they need a top tier QB.” alluding to the fact that you think Ponder is trash and the only action anyone’s seen him in so far is preseason. If you’re basing his future on that, then I guess we’re going to do alright since he’s had a better preseason than Rodgers rookie preseason.

  56. supersuckers3 says: Aug 23, 2011 10:27 PM

    This is the NFL, son. It is, was, always has been, and always will be about balance. You need to be good in all facets of the game to be effective. And the recurring mantra that always comes back around is “run the ball, stop the run”.

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    Not anymore. Its a pass happy league with passing records being broken every year. Green Bay couldnt run the ball worth a damn last year and won a title. In the early 2000’s they could run the ball but didnt win a title. Maybe I’m the idiot but I’m fine with that because this idiot is looking forward to celebrating a three peat

  57. supersuckers3 says: Aug 23, 2011 11:00 PM

    You need to work on your reading comprehension bro, my original reply was based on your statement “They don’t know what to do with a draft

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    I thought the “they don’t know what to do with a draft” statement would have covered Ponder. They can’t recognize college talent nor develop it. They bring in journeyman washouts for the team’s most important position. Flynn has been developed, Rodgers has been developed and if Harrel were to get released he would be teamless for 30 seconds. That’s drafting and developing. Jeff George, Brad Johnson, Gus Frerotte, Tavaris Jackson, Randall Cunningham, Brett Favre, Jim McMahon, Donovan McNabb, I am sure Im missing another half dozen or so but going the route of guys like that does not work.

  58. brewdogg says: Aug 24, 2011 12:56 AM

    supersuckers3 says:
    Aug 23, 2011 10:27 PM
    This is the NFL, son. It is, was, always has been, and always will be about balance. You need to be good in all facets of the game to be effective. And the recurring mantra that always comes back around is “run the ball, stop the run”.

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    Not anymore. Its a pass happy league with passing records being broken every year. Green Bay couldnt run the ball worth a damn last year and won a title. In the early 2000′s they could run the ball but didnt win a title. Maybe I’m the idiot but I’m fine with that because this idiot is looking forward to celebrating a three peat
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    Really? Which records? I’m guessing you mean the completions in a season and TDs in a season records that Indy, NE, and NO have broken in the last few years. But we’re talking pass-happy, right? Do you know who holds the record for most passes attempted in a season? The ’81 Vikings, followed by the ’94-’95 Patriots. The 2000 Rams team still holds the passing yards record, followed by Marino’s ’84 Dolphins.

    Look, don’t feel bad, you’re not the first to say that the league was going pass-happy. Namath had the only 4000 yard season in history (’67) until Fouts did it three years in a row from ’79-’81. Marino follows that with 5000 in ’84. Warren Moon and the run-n-shoot, Bledsoe, Young, and Favre in the Mid-90’s…. So what is different now?

    Do you think the QBs putting up big numbers is some sign of success for the passing game? Scott Mitchell, Jeff George, Steve Buerlein, Elvis Grbac, Jeff Garcia, Jake Plummer, Kerry Collins, Trent Green, Carson Palmer, Jon Kitna, Tony Romo, Jay Cutler, all have 4000 yard passing seasons, many of them with more than one. And how many Super Bowls did that get them? Meanwhile, Terrell Davis, Jamall Anderson, Eddie George, Jamal Lewis, Jerome Bettis….

    I know you have your belief, and that you point to the Saints, Patriots, Packers, and what not as proof. But your belief will fall on its face soon. There was a time when the AFC couldn’t beat the NFC in the playoffs. There was a time when you couldn’t win without a dominant MLB. There was a time when no team running a 3-4 could succeed. And the NFL looked like a passing league in the mid-80s and mid-90s, only to come crashing back down. Those who choose to ignore history are destined to repeat it, and if you think the Packers can continue to be successful without a running game, try to remember that they were 8-6 and on the verge of being eliminated from the playoffs. Why don’t you wait and see if they can pull off a repeat before you start talking threepeat….. Marino and the Marx Brothers mean anything to you?

  59. supersuckers3 says: Aug 24, 2011 11:25 AM

    “try to remember that they were 8-6 and on the verge of being eliminated from the playoffs. Why don’t you wait and see if they can pull off a repeat before you start talking threepeat”

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    I remember it well. It was when I correctly predicted last years world championship after the New England loss.

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