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Bill Belichick doesn’t see the point in extra points

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Patriots coach Bill Belichick recently caused a stir when he said the NFL wants to eliminate kickoffs. Now Belichick has weighed in on a play that he says would be better suited to elimination: The extra point.

In an interview on WEEI, Belichick pointed out that the point after touchdown is so easy that it rarely creates any interest at all, and he said that if the league isn’t going to make it harder, then the league should just get rid of it.

Philosophically, plays that are non-plays shouldn’t be in the game,” Belichick said, via Mike Reiss of ESPNBoston.com. “I don’t think it is good for the game. Extra points, when you’re up to the 99 percent range in extra points it’s not a play. Let’s move the ball back to the 15-20 yard line and not make it a tap in. Make them kick it. Same thing with the kickoff return, if you’re just going to put the ball on the 20, put the ball on the 20.”

Belichick’s way of thinking makes a lot of sense: The extra point is basically nothing more than a way to give fans a longer bathroom break after a touchdown. And on the rare occasions that an extra point is missed, it’s more about bad luck than skill. Belichick’s solution of moving the line of scrimmage on extra point attempts back to the 20-yard line makes some sense; that would equate to a 38-yard field goal, which isn’t a chip shot.

But we shouldn’t forget about the two-point conversion, which is one of the most exciting plays in football. Under the current rules, the line of scrimmage for point after attempts is the 2-yard line, whether teams are kicking for one point or attempting a two-point conversion. Moving the line of scrimmage to the 20 would only make sense if it’s a rule exclusively for one-point kicks, and two-point conversion attempts still start from the two-yard line.

Another option would be moving the line of scrimmage for all extra points to the 1-yard line. Extra point kicks would still be chip shots, but two-point conversion attempts would be easier, which would encourage coaches to go for two more often, which would make the game more exciting.

The extra point kick could also just be completely eliminated and teams could be given the option of either taking seven points for a touchdown, or taking six points with the chance to go for two and turn it into eight.

In the XFL, there were no extra point kicks. Teams got six points for a touchdown and then ran another play from the two-yard line, and if they scored they got one extra point. That rule might sound like some wacky idea from the mind of Vince McMahon, but it was actually taken from the NFL, which briefly experimented with that rule during its 1968 exhibition games against AFL teams in the preseason. (The World Football League had a similar rule, called the Action Point, in the 1970s.) In the playoffs the XFL changed its extra point rule to allow teams to go for two or three points by moving the line of scrimmage back farther from the goal line.

I’m surprised Belichick, who once sent Doug Flutie into a game to dropkick an extra point, didn’t suggest getting rid of the holder and forcing every team to dropkick extra points. That would make it less of a gimme.

I’ve also heard it suggested that the real way to make extra points interesting is to require the player who scored the touchdown to kick the extra point. It would be amusing to see running backs and wide receivers (and occasionally 350-pound linemen who recovered fumbles in the end zone) trying extra points, and it would encourage coaches to go for two a lot more often.

Don’t expect a radical change to extra point rules any time soon: Any rule change on extra points would require 24 NFL owners to support it, and NFL owners aren’t the most radical of people. But Belichick is right: Extra point kicks are boring plays. The NFL should change the point-after rules to take some boredom out of the game.

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  1. kmurph1226 says: Aug 23, 2011 11:49 AM

    Bill is giving ideas to the NFL in exchange for the other 31 teams’ playbooks.

  2. ijahru says: Aug 23, 2011 11:49 AM

    I could listen to Belichick and Gil Brandt talk football all day long. Can’t stand listening to Pat Kirwin though.

  3. malonezo says: Aug 23, 2011 11:50 AM

    Bill makes a good point: it’s hard to gain an advantage on the PAT by illegally filming your opponent.

  4. Topher says: Aug 23, 2011 11:52 AM

    I would love to see the touchdowns count for 7… but the team can try and make it 8 with a “2 point conversion”

    Of course “Pick Seven” doesn’t sound nearly as cool as “Pick Six”

  5. lbpackfan says: Aug 23, 2011 11:52 AM

    John Carney would’ve appreciated no PAT’s back in 2003 …

  6. tatum064 says: Aug 23, 2011 11:53 AM

    When he becomes Commissioner or is head of the Competition Committee then his idea holds merit. Just worry about getting out of the first round.

  7. becklesman says: Aug 23, 2011 11:54 AM

    The extra point is and has always been completely worthless. Anything with a 99% success ratio is not a competitive play and has no place in a competitive environment.

  8. scudbot says: Aug 23, 2011 11:55 AM

    Why get rid of a play that rarely results in injuries? Ban the two point conversion to reduce the risk further. Reduce quarters to 8 minutes of active scrimmage time each and allow 7 minutes of unopposed free kicks for each team to score as many extra points as it can.

  9. CKL says: Aug 23, 2011 11:55 AM

    BB is a big picture thinker and I always enjoy his takes on football. See people , he DOES say interesting stuff…outside of talking about his own team when it’s the same bland annoying stuff we hear every week. :)
    I also like his idea on revising OT which I think is to determine a time period for OT maybe based on average time OT is played before a winner is determined, then allow the ENTIRE period to be played, no sudden death. I HATE sudden death OT and this would solve the problem of whiners who believe (erroneously) that the winner of the coin toss overwhelmingly wins the game because they get the first possession.

  10. gregmas1970 says: Aug 23, 2011 11:55 AM

    No way the advertisers go for that. That’s a valuable 15 minute commercial time slot. Because there aren’t enough commercials after the touchdown, then during the review, then after the extra point, and then after the kickoff.

  11. blackqbwhiterb says: Aug 23, 2011 11:58 AM

    First of all, I love the idea that the guy who scored the TD has to kick.
    Having said that, I gotta say, if you watch kicks, PAT’s, and even punts at the game live, you can tell the opponents BARELY ever make ANY effort to block the kick/punt. EVER….Only when the game’s on the line do they make anything more than a token effort. I think if they went all out every kick to try to block it, there’d be a LOT more blocks, fumbles caused by pressure, etc. Watch them when you’re at a game and you’ll see.

    Plus, there’s commercials before and after the PAT play, so it’ll never be eliminated, they’re making money

  12. gocaps8 says: Aug 23, 2011 11:58 AM

    I completely agree.

    PATs are useless. Move them back or get rid of them.

    As for the kickoffs, I think they’ll be moved back to the 30 for the 2012 season. Right now, they’re a joke. I still prefer having kickoffs because of the big play potential, but if you eliminate them, you’d eliminate some injuries. Kickoff returns produce arguably the most violent collisions in football.

  13. Topher says: Aug 23, 2011 11:59 AM

    becklesman says:
    Aug 23, 2011 11:54 AM
    The extra point is and has always been completely worthless. Anything with a 99% success ratio is not a competitive play and has no place in a competitive environment

    ***************

    That sounds familiar, where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, Belichick said that nearly identical thing in the article above.

  14. willyalistentothis says: Aug 23, 2011 11:59 AM

    Tell Tony Romo that the PAT is not a play.

  15. cliverush says: Aug 23, 2011 12:00 PM

    All TD’s stay at 6 points, 2 points for a run/pass conversion, no holder for PAT worth 1 point. Make it interesting and do not give a point for nothing.

  16. lacharger2112 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:00 PM

    Another option would be moving the line of scrimmage for all extra points to the 1-yard line. Extra point kicks would still be chip shots, but two-point conversion attempts would be easier, which would encourage coaches to go for two more often, which would make the game more exciting.

    Just what we need, the officials turning to the replay to confirm each and every extra point. Can we slow down the game any more?
    Any more breaks and I might as well watch Baseball…That would never happen though.

  17. Southpaw says: Aug 23, 2011 12:00 PM

    They should make touchdowns worth 7 points, and give the team the option to forfeit a point for the chance at a 2-pt conversion… this would basically make the 7 points automatic, but still give teams the ability to use the 2-pt conversion to get that sometimes-necessary extra point on top

  18. bradentonbuc says: Aug 23, 2011 12:00 PM

    Games have been won and lost on extra points. Leave it alone, it is an integral part of the game, just like the penny, its not going away.

  19. sippindasyzurp says: Aug 23, 2011 12:01 PM

    I personally think the touchdown should be still worth a mandatory 6 points…. But every team should have to go for 2 points, there should not be an option!!! I think we would see some pretty cool finishes if a team was down by 7 points at then end of the game and scored a TD and they HAVE to go for 2… I think we could see some pretty exciting finishes….

  20. jimmy2times says: Aug 23, 2011 12:02 PM

    bill needs to shut up and coach his team

  21. polishrod says: Aug 23, 2011 12:02 PM

    scudbot says:
    Aug 23, 2011 11:55 AM
    Why get rid of a play that rarely results in injuries? Ban the two point conversion to reduce the risk further. Reduce quarters to 8 minutes of active scrimmage time each and allow 7 minutes of unopposed free kicks for each team to score as many extra points as it can.

    ——————–

    Are you kidding me? Who the hell would want to watch 7 minutes of free kicks? Is your son a kicker somewhere??

  22. unbiased8383 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:05 PM

    He pretty much wants to get rid of kickers all together. It’d be more fun to see teams go for it on 4th and medium from the 28 rather than see a 45 yard field goal. With that in mind none of this will ever happen. Ray Finkle would never allow it.

  23. rbirving says: Aug 23, 2011 12:05 PM

    A better idea would be to take away the PAT kick option. Keep it at 1 point, but no kick. No 2 point conversion either. Leave it at the 2 yard line and they have to get in the endzone to earn the point.

  24. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Aug 23, 2011 12:06 PM

    Let me rephrase my non-approved, very blunt previous comment in hopes of getting my point published this time…

    The 2-pt conversion is not even in the top 10 of exciting plays that occur during a football game. Unless of course it would determine a winner. It rarely does and therefor cannot even be considered.

    Hope that doesn’t hurt MDS’s feelings.

  25. malekmj says: Aug 23, 2011 12:08 PM

    Or you could make the T.D. 7 points and then put the ball on the 1 yard line and make it worth 1 point…..for which ever team wins the play. I know that’s crazy……but imagine if the game were tied with 3 seconds left and it was Offense vs. Defense for one point…one play…..to win it all. Talk about drama. The offense would reserve the right to decide whether to go for the extra point btw.

  26. jessieboom says: Aug 23, 2011 12:08 PM

    Bathroom breaks are kinda nice man.

  27. ooops11 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:09 PM

    You know what else is boring:

    Half-Time
    Quarterbacks taking a Knee
    Baseball

    Lets do away with all of them. The reality is that there are always intangibles in even “boring” plays that can’t be accounted for. You may choose to go to the bathroom during the extra point and you may not miss anything but the 1% of the time that the snap is botched, the ball is live, the holder scrambles to pick it up and run with it only to fall short will be one of the most watched plays of the year.

    (sorry to all baseball fans)

  28. flagstaffphotos says: Aug 23, 2011 12:11 PM

    So — now we should take advice on how to improve the game from the most heavily punished cheater in NFL history?

    Shut up Bill. Go sign some more fat D-linemen who won’t be able to practice because of their sex assault court appearances.

  29. geetee52 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:11 PM

    The extra point really is a dumb way to cap a TD…and since we’re blue-skying…

    How about give a couple points to the defense if they block an extra point or stop a 2-point conversion?

  30. thephantomstranger says: Aug 23, 2011 12:12 PM

    In 2009, Ryan Longwell missed an extra point attempt at Chicago. Because of that, the Vikings’ last-minute touchdown put the game in OT rather than winning it. They wound up losing in OT, giving New Orleans home-field advantage in the NFC Championship game. That game was so close, the Vikings probably would have won if they had played at home. So that missed extra point kept the Vikings out of the Super Bowl. It may be easy, but it’s important.

  31. freedomispopular says: Aug 23, 2011 12:12 PM

    @polishrod
    It’s called sarcasm. Heard of it?

  32. scudbot says: Aug 23, 2011 12:12 PM

    polishrod says: “Are you kidding me? Who the hell would want to watch 7 minutes of free kicks?” What’s more important, competitive football or reducing the NFL’s exposure to lawsuits 15 years from now? Besides, if they reduce the cost of sushi rolls, frappuccinos and smoothies by a nickel for every extra point scored per quarter, even Jackwire fans would flock to games.

  33. feartheelf19 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:12 PM

    “willyalistentothis says:
    Aug 23, 2011 11:59 AM
    Tell Tony Romo that the PAT is not a play.”

    Thats exaclty what Im talkin about.

    Tony Romo wishes that were the case against the Seahawks. Uh Oh!

  34. deegizzle says: Aug 23, 2011 12:13 PM

    Leave the game alone. If it ain’t broke, why are we constantly trying to fix it?

    Just like we should have never have moved the kickoff from the 35 to the 30 in the first place “to increase scoring.”

    The game is designed for offenses to start at the 20. A good kickoff return should be viewed as just a bonus.

  35. jacksaysfu says: Aug 23, 2011 12:13 PM

    Im sick of all these people trying to change the game , LEAVE FOOTBALL ALONE !!!!

  36. southridge23 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:14 PM

    Here’s an idea…STOP MESSING WITH THE GAME!! I’d like to know how many rule changes have been in place since Goodell has taken over….the playoff overtime rule is a sissy joke as is the new kickoff line which by the looks of it is just gonna get rescinded at the end of the year cuz everyone is b***ing about it…remember the rule where you couldn’t even graze the QB’s head? automatic 15-yd penalty…how’d that work out?

    now let’s move the PAT line…sheesh…leave the game alone…no one was complaining about it before!

  37. rameyag says: Aug 23, 2011 12:14 PM

    No unit of currency, like the penny, should exist if that unit cannot be exchanged for a single good in the marketplace.

    No scoring element of a sporting event, like the PAT, should exist if the success ratio is more than 99 percent.

    Both are anachronistic, their fixed cost vastly outweighs any potential benefit, and both should be eliminated.

    A TD should result in 7 points, not 6, and every unit of currency, including the penny, nickle, and dime, like the half-penny before them, should be eliminated if there is nothing that can be purchased for a penny, nickle, or dime.

  38. bturner032002 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:14 PM

    How about they split the screen in half with the game on one side and the commercials on the other. That way we can just watch the game straight through in 30 mins.

  39. test2402 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:14 PM

    Leave the rules alone.

  40. buddycianci says: Aug 23, 2011 12:15 PM

    The idea of changing the PAT is not out of the realm of possibility.

    Together with the new kickoff rule, the game “action” between a touchdown and the opponent’s ensuing offensive snap is pretty much a waste of time (even though none of the game clock is spent).

    The NFL might recognize they’re devaluing their product. And to mitigate this, perhaps they do spice-up the PATs.

  41. theytukrjobs says: Aug 23, 2011 12:16 PM

    Personally I’d go with the forced one point (or two point) conversion attempt from the 2 with no kicking allowed. Goal line plays are fun to watch even if they are only worth a point or two.

    Moving it to the 1 is a cool idea also because it might make the odds of 2 pt conversion close to 50%, making it mathmatically acceptable to try more often.

    I disagree that it is a meaningless play though. Regardless of the percentage, when the result of a game hinges on that extra point it is a tense moment. Ask Cowboys fans about how meaningless they are.

  42. goawayeverybody says: Aug 23, 2011 12:16 PM

    I would be okay with moving the extra point to about the 13 or 14 yard line which would make for a 30 yard attempt. A 38 yard attempt would be too far for something as small as an extra point.

  43. gazinkus says: Aug 23, 2011 12:17 PM

    I like the get-rid-of-PAT idea. Just give the scoring team the ball on the 3 yard line, and they have to run or pass to score a point or two after a touchdown.

    Second idea: Bring touchbacks to the 10 yard line. Leave the kicking team as-is. There will be more incentive for runners to take the ball out of the end zone if the alternative is only 10 yards. And, because the runup is shorter, the coverage teams will be on them quicker – hopefully lessening the violence of collisions.

  44. domeunit says: Aug 23, 2011 12:17 PM

    Crazy idea…stop changing the rules.

  45. dolphone says: Aug 23, 2011 12:17 PM

    No way the advertisers go for that. That’s a valuable 15 minute commercial time slot. Because there aren’t enough commercials after the touchdown, then during the review, then after the extra point, and then after the kickoff.

    Ding ding ding, this guy gets it!

    It will NEVER be changed. Advertisers profit from it, which means the NFL profits from it. Same reason kickoffs will NEVER dissappear – it’s an easy way to jam commercials and make some money.

  46. FinFan68 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:17 PM

    PATs are more exciting than kneeldowns. Allowing “leverage” and “leaping” on PATs (only) would add an additional level of difficulty.

  47. scudbot says: Aug 23, 2011 12:21 PM

    No more kickoffs. No more PATs. I guess the sport will be renamed Puntball till that’s taken away too.

  48. seneca1ss says: Aug 23, 2011 12:22 PM

    Billy doesn’t see the point in winning playoff games without cheating his fat ass off either

  49. dogsweat1 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:22 PM

    Get rid of the Touchdowns too.

  50. raw101 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:22 PM

    That makes sense, but if it makes sense to us it wont for the owners.

  51. southbeachtalent says: Aug 23, 2011 12:28 PM

    Belichick is turning into Chuck Norris.

  52. holdthemayo123 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:29 PM

    How about borrowing from the NCAA and letting teams score a point on a blocked PAT? As it is now, it seems like teams barely line up for it – that might create some excitement.

  53. stoopwitzer says: Aug 23, 2011 12:29 PM

    Games have been won and lost on extra points. Leave it alone, it is an integral part of the game, just like the penny, its not going away.
    —————————————————-

    not to say I agree or disagree but is it really wise to draw a comparison to the most annoying form of currency known to man when arguing against elimination?

  54. rufio1984 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:30 PM

    SUH missed a PAT last season which cost them the game against the Jets :’( … so sad

  55. cowboysfan18 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:30 PM

    Why don’t they just get rid of the XP but on the 2Pt conv. The kicker must have a receiving TD. Only the nickel corner can cover with no safety help.

  56. tjacks7 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:34 PM

    I personally think the touchdown should be still worth a mandatory 6 points…. But every team should have to go for 2 points, there should not be an option!!! I think we would see some pretty cool finishes if a team was down by 7 points at then end of the game and scored a TD and they HAVE to go for 2… I think we could see some pretty exciting finishes….

    ———————————————–

    Clearly not thought out. When teams are scoring either 3, 6, or 8 points per score, it would be nearly impossible for a team to be up by 7 at the end of the game.

  57. albanyhawker says: Aug 23, 2011 12:35 PM

    Isn’t it ironic how the game that’s called FOOTball is trying to eliminate any play that involves a player’s foot? Maybe we should just call it soccer and let that other game where they can’t use their hands take the rightful name of football?

    I’d support moving the extra point line of scrimmage back to the 5 or 10, which would make 2-point conversions more difficult, as well as extra points.

    How about adding a point for every 10 yards. A kick from the 20 would be 2 points, a kick from the 30 counts a 3, and so on. That would help a team that’s down by several scores close the gap.

    At the very least, FGs over 50 yards should count more than 3-points.

    Of course, there’s always the radical idea of stop futzing with the rules and go back to just playing the game the way it was meant to be played!

  58. mediasloppy says: Aug 23, 2011 12:38 PM

    If this didn’t come from the god of football BB, I wonder what people would think if a lesser coach voiced this PAT plan.

  59. discosucs2005 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:38 PM

    I still remember that great play from the Saints with a few laterals that scored the tying TD, only to have the kicker miss the PAT. I know it’s pretty much a gimme, but I don’t think it is so boring that it’s worth changing.

  60. akulabug says: Aug 23, 2011 12:40 PM

    tatum064 says:
    Aug 23, 2011 11:53 AM
    When he becomes Commissioner or is head of the Competition Committee then his idea holds merit. Just worry about getting out of the first round.

    ————————————————

    Ya your right. Roger Goodell knows way more about football than Bill Billichick. Keep up the hate.

  61. Vegas Guy says: Aug 23, 2011 12:40 PM

    “And on the rare occasions that an extra point is missed, it’s more about bad luck than skill..”

    Unless it’s Cincinnati… oh wait.. I guess bad luck and lack of skill are the same thing there.

  62. buckybadger says: Aug 23, 2011 12:41 PM

    Don’t need to mess with every rule of the game. Leave it alone. When you are at the game the extra bathroom time is great. There is no way to implement it and still have the 2pt conversion set up like it is. It is suppose to be a gimmie and on the occasion you miss it you can really burn yourself.

  63. Little Earthquake says: Aug 23, 2011 12:41 PM

    I believe the extra point or “try” is a derivation of rugby – where crossing the goal line entitles the team to a try for a goal. Keep it!

  64. bullcharger says: Aug 23, 2011 12:42 PM

    just move it back a bit… that’s the best solution. Kickers are better than they used to be, move it back so it’s more like 90%. No other rule changes.

    and put the Kickoff back to the 30 next year.

  65. smoothjimmyapollo says: Aug 23, 2011 12:42 PM

    Just because 99% of PATs are made, doesn’t mean 99% of PATs are boring. How many times has your team scored a late TD, and the PAT puts them up by 1, makes it so the opposing team needs a TD, or makes it a 2-score game? Are you 99% confident that the PAT will be good or are you watching it, praying that your kicker doesn’t boot it off the uprights? Is any fan going to the bathroom on those PATs or is he/she breathing a huge sigh of relief when it goes in?

  66. ticalcaldwell says: Aug 23, 2011 12:43 PM

    I agree,,,make it interesting and move the ball back a little….interesting…never thought about it….Ol Billy

  67. allforfunnplay says: Aug 23, 2011 12:43 PM

    I’ve been saying extra points are useless since I started watching football. I never understood them.

    As some here have said, just award the Touchdown scoring team team 7 pts. Or if the team elects to go for a 2pt conversion, award them 6 points and the extra 2 points if the conversion is successful.

  68. rosloe62 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:46 PM

    I wouldn’t mind seeing a touchdown count for the 6 points, and then drop the extra point kick, and make every team have to go for a 2 point conversion. It could make the games a little more exciting.

  69. dietrich43 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:47 PM

    Want to interest guys in kickers? Get Brady’s wife to wear a bikini and do all the kicking.

    Otherwise, I’d be fine with them eliminating kickers from the game.

  70. tombradyswig says: Aug 23, 2011 12:49 PM

    tell that to tony romo, Bill!!

    OUCH!!!!

  71. youboettcha says: Aug 23, 2011 12:49 PM

    Maybe they should do 1 pointer 35 yd FGs and 2 pointer 50 yd FGs.

  72. ballsdeep24 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:49 PM

    I’m sure there’s a way we can get dice involved in the game too.

  73. patriotinvasion says: Aug 23, 2011 12:51 PM

    Listen to your master folks. All the Belichick haters can keep hating but you all know you’d love to have the greatest coach in NFL history coaching your team.

    And if you think taping dummy signals in plain view to 70,000 people in the stadium made him who he is than you’re reaching for straws to justify the Patriots whoopin’ your team’s tale for a decade.

    The Dynasty continues bums…haha!

  74. thehatefulnerd says: Aug 23, 2011 12:51 PM

    Problem is that the easiest way to get a 2-pointer is to fake a kick. Although teams for some reason rarely do that.
    If you try to make the player who scored kick it, you’re going to get pulled hammies.

  75. belairirish says: Aug 23, 2011 12:52 PM

    How about we just stop making changes to the greatest sport? Let’s do a hard reset back to 1989 rules.

  76. jpb12 says: Aug 23, 2011 12:52 PM

    I don’t get it. He was on the same radio staion LAST YEAR, and said this.

    This is not a new story. He has about 20 minutes he has to do every Monday with these guys, which he hates.

    He comes up with these boring stories, and all of a sudden someone tweets it as news?

    He said last year he thought you should kick it from the 25 or 30 yard line…

  77. mavajo says: Aug 23, 2011 12:52 PM

    How about this — keep everything the same, except for one change: If the PAT is missed and/or blocked, the opposing team gets two points. Two-point attempts would remain exactly the same.

    That adds some strategy.

  78. fwippel says: Aug 23, 2011 12:54 PM

    You want to make the extra point more interesting? Allow the defense to get a running start to the line of scrimmage once the ball is snapped, and allow them to jump up to try to block the kick.

    That used to be allowed, but somewhere along the line the league banned it, and the number of blocked field goals and extra points went way down.

    Otherwise, just leave it as is. Extra points matter because they (can) change the score. If the two-point conversion hadn’t been adopted, then I could see it. Otherwise, this is just a bunch of bellyaching by the same people that keep whining about sudden-death overtime.

    Quit monkeying with the game and leave well-enough alone.

  79. chargerdillon says: Aug 23, 2011 12:56 PM

    What’s the point in extra points, I can’t even cheat on that play! (says Bill)

  80. tmc4real says: Aug 23, 2011 1:01 PM

    The next think Belichick will want to eliminate is the running game on offense.

    Oh wait…

  81. Insomniac says: Aug 23, 2011 1:03 PM

    I thought the discussion about the kickoff rules that led to that was interesting as well. He was saying that they are not really running any slower with the new rules and they are still setting up to return/cover while the ball is in the air and the returner decides whether or not to take the ball out. There is still a lot of room for injuries in that time span.

  82. jeffreystinejr says: Aug 23, 2011 1:03 PM

    But what about all of those fantasy points that I would be losing if they eliminated the extra point? Think about the fans Bill!

  83. trickbunny says: Aug 23, 2011 1:08 PM

    You gotta love all the bitter, immature posters who can’t let the spygate thing go, EVER.

    As if what Belichick is saying here has *anything* to do with the debacle from a couple years ago. Never mind that his comments about kickoffs and extra points makes all the sense in the world- all these whining Jets fans can think about is something that is ancient history now and has zero bearing on the topic at hand. Grow up.

  84. capslockkey says: Aug 23, 2011 1:08 PM

    Stupid reasoning. Maybe fumbling should be removed from the game since 99% of the time players don’t drop the football.

  85. mogogo1 says: Aug 23, 2011 1:08 PM

    Belichick makes a good point about the extra point and this is just the sort of thing the NFL should be discussing as part of a comprehensive review of the game as they look into ways of limiting injuries. Too bad this common sense, top-down look at the game seems to nowhere on their radar.

    The kickoff rules went from announcement to approval in just a few weeks. They didn’t even take the preseason to take a look–they simply approved it without even a single test. And, while safety is supposedly the top item on the league’s radar, they bizarrely still think an 18-game schedule is a good idea? Throw in the inconsistent way all the various other safety rules are handled–guys can get fined for plays that didn’t produce flags because of replays, but then there are cases where the replay will clearly show the play was legal and the guy will STILL get fined–and you have the picture of a league that’s determined to do SOMETHING but really doesn’t seem to care if that something is the right or most effective thing to do.

  86. readysethike says: Aug 23, 2011 1:09 PM

    What about allowing a defender to line up over the center again, that way the chance of a block on a PAT increases

  87. kurb21 says: Aug 23, 2011 1:10 PM

    Every time there is a Belichick article, the “spygate” aluminum foil hatter’s come out and give their .02.

    Listen, I think it is fairly common knowledge that this was something that was widespread in the league. Hence, no coaches ever spoke out about it.

    To continuously attack Belichick is ridiculous, because the bottom line is this…he has done more with less than probably any coach in history for this long of time. Brady was a nobody, the Patriots were a low level franchise…if Belichick went to a different team, every one on here would be the first in line to welcome him to your city.

  88. raiderlyfe510 says: Aug 23, 2011 1:15 PM

    I agree..The extra point the way it’s setup now is a waste of time and effort.

    But if Al Davis suggested this..I’m pretty sure the blogger Michael Smith would be talking about how weird a bizarre the notion is, rather than praising it.

  89. razedeyebrow says: Aug 23, 2011 1:15 PM

    scudbot says: Aug 23, 2011 11:55 AM

    Why get rid of a play that rarely results in injuries? Ban the two point conversion to reduce the risk further. Reduce quarters to 8 minutes of active scrimmage time each and allow 7 minutes of unopposed free kicks for each team to score as many extra points as it can.

    Yah, sure. Suit up the Radio City Rockettes and watch the final score look like a basketball game.

  90. 3crowns says: Aug 23, 2011 1:16 PM

    Do it rugby-style. That would be awesome. Basically it means there’s no defense and the kicker can placekick it but he has to kick it from from a parallel spot on the field to where the touchdown was scored. For example, if the touchdown is scored a foot from the sideline, the kicker has to try the PAT a foot from the sideline. He can put it on whatever yard line he wants as long as it’s a foot from the sideline. Conversely, if the TD is scored in the middle of the field, he can put it on any yard line in the middle of the field. Would add a new, enormous level of strategy.

  91. brewdogg says: Aug 23, 2011 1:20 PM

    I like the idea of increasing point totals the farther back the PAT is set. 2 from the 20, 3 from the 30, and so on. If you had a kicker that hit at 75% or better inside of 50, setting at the 30 would result in more points, on average. Make kickers much more valuable…… And think about it. A team is down by 10 with 2 seconds to go. The game is not over! A hail mary and a 57-yd PAT sends the game into OT. We would even see 67-yd PATs on occasion. It would be cool to see how close they can come.

    Only on PATs, though. Leave the FG alone. The bonus points are only awarded if the team manages to cross the goalline.

  92. brewdogg says: Aug 23, 2011 1:31 PM

    And on top of that, treat blocked PATs the same as blocked FGs, with the possibility of a defensive TD and field position where it is recovered and downed. You might even see teams keeping a safety behind the kicker to defend against that, making blocks more likely, or a speedy defender as a holder, possibly increasing botched holds. If we’re trying to spice up the game and make special teams more important, than there are more ways than the kickoff.

  93. soaringelvis says: Aug 23, 2011 1:32 PM

    rameyag says:

    Aug 23, 2011 12:14 PM

    No unit of currency, like the penny, should exist if that unit cannot be exchanged for a single good in the marketplace.

    ————————————————-
    A penny for your thoughts!

  94. Todd Chipman says: Aug 23, 2011 1:32 PM

    Just FYI the snap Romo dropped was on a chip shot 3 point field goal and not an extra point. But don’t let the facts stop anyone from posting

  95. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Aug 23, 2011 1:33 PM

    A lot of NFL rules, unfortunately, trickle down to lower levels of football. If the PAT is eliminated in the NFL, how long before it’s gone from HS games? PATs in high school aren’t throw-away plays.

    I’m with everyone else that says leave the game alone. We’re already too close to flag football.

  96. sj39 says: Aug 23, 2011 1:34 PM

    He is finally starting to lose his mind and turning into an old curmudgeon (happens when you don’t win in the post season several years in a row). I’d hate to be a Pats player if they don’t get off to a great start.

  97. polishrod says: Aug 23, 2011 1:37 PM

    Todd Chipman says:
    Aug 23, 2011 1:32 PM
    Just FYI the snap Romo dropped was on a chip shot 3 point field goal and not an extra point. But don’t let the facts stop anyone from posting

    ————–

    Either way, one of the best “chokes” in sports history

  98. boswivel says: Aug 23, 2011 1:40 PM

    After a TD, teams should just get to kick Roger Goodell.

  99. djrando7 says: Aug 23, 2011 1:45 PM

    I fully agree:

    PATs are dumb and The PATs are pathetic.

    That’s what I’m talkin about!

  100. bradwins says: Aug 23, 2011 1:45 PM

    Is there another phrase in the English language that is closer to a truism than “Belichick is right”?

  101. dogsweat1 says: Aug 23, 2011 1:46 PM

    Rock,paper and scissors may be more effective.

  102. jackfnburton says: Aug 23, 2011 1:51 PM

    Obviously, Vince McMahon needs to buy an NFL team. Might I suggest the Raiders, once Al Davis finally runs out of toddlers to sacrifice to keep himself alive?

  103. londonbengal says: Aug 23, 2011 1:52 PM

    Do what they do in Rugby Union with PAT’s.

    Take the attempt level with where the touchdown crosses the goal line. Introducing an angle to the kick should make it more interesting……….

  104. stvang says: Aug 23, 2011 2:02 PM

    tjacks7 says:Aug 23, 2011 12:34 PM

    I personally think the touchdown should be still worth a mandatory 6 points…. But every team should have to go for 2 points, there should not be an option!!! I think we would see some pretty cool finishes if a team was down by 7 points at then end of the game and scored a TD and they HAVE to go for 2… I think we could see some pretty exciting finishes….

    ———————————————–

    Clearly not thought out. When teams are scoring either 3, 6, or 8 points per score, it would be nearly impossible for a team to be up by 7 at the end of the game.
    ——————————————-
    What did you expect from a someone named tjack. Extra points are not a sure thing. Just ask a vikings fan like tjack. Im sure he can remember and important extra point that was lost.

  105. stvang says: Aug 23, 2011 2:09 PM

    polishrod says:Aug 23, 2011 1:37 PM

    Todd Chipman says:
    Aug 23, 2011 1:32 PM
    Just FYI the snap Romo dropped was on a chip shot 3 point field goal and not an extra point. But don’t let the facts stop anyone from posting

    ————–

    Either way, one of the best “chokes” in sports history

    ———–
    Its obvious you haven’t followed any vikings seasons. Exhibit A 1999, Exhibit B 2009

  106. bjtmeyer says: Aug 23, 2011 2:18 PM

    For God’s sake, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!

  107. bradybbgoat says: Aug 23, 2011 2:26 PM

    I like the idea someone else mentioned about making a block/stop worth 1 point for the defense.

    It is the same concept of a safety being worth 2 pts.

    This would add a lot of excitement and intensity.

    Imagine the implications in a tie game in the 4th quarter. I would totally be paying attention.

  108. unbreakable02215 says: Aug 23, 2011 2:26 PM

    tatum064 says:Aug 23, 2011 11:53 AM

    When he becomes Commissioner or is head of the Competition Committee then his idea holds merit. Just worry about getting out of the first round.

    5 of the times teams he coached for made it out
    of the 1st round he ended up with jewelery on his
    finger.

    Thats 5 Tatumo. That’s enuff for each finger and
    a thumb. He’s got 5 of them. And he ain’t done
    yet.

    5.

  109. nahcouldntbethat says: Aug 23, 2011 2:29 PM

    They should make the QB’s kick the extra points. Now that would be entertaining.

  110. 1historian says: Aug 23, 2011 2:32 PM

    Open letter to all of you who hate Bill Belichik:

    1) Do you (even in your wildest dreams) even dare to imagine that he gives a s..t?

    2) The Patriots were caught stealing defensive signals (by a former asst. coach) in the 1st half of the 1st game of the 2007 season. They were told to stop they did. Given the publicity the incident received would it not stand to reason that the league would keep them under extra-sharp surveillance after that? Of course it does. Any complaints since then? None.

    2) Not long after that rumors, conjecture, etc. started circulating that the Patriots had been stealing defensive signals since, well since forever – probably since (at least) before the civil war. Any proof? None. (BTW – Teams in all sports on all levels have been stealing other teams’ signals – offensive and defensive – since well before the invention of dirt.)

    3) (For being so evil) The Patriots were stripped of their 1st round choice in the 2008 draft. The evil genius ALREADY had the 7th overall choice in the 1st round and then – just to be more evil – he traded down to the 10th overall choice, receiving an extra 2nd round choice, and used that #10 overall choice to pick Jerrod Mayo who (just to irritate all of you that much more) became the defensive rookie of the year.

    4) Your complaints about us Pats fans – we stand accused of being snobs, arrogant, irritating, and just about every other possible fan-crime.

    GUILTY

    When you have a team as good as ours to root for that is

  111. stiffarm37 says: Aug 23, 2011 2:33 PM

    scudbot says:
    Aug 23, 2011 11:55 AM
    Why get rid of a play that rarely results in injuries? Ban the two point conversion to reduce the risk further. Reduce quarters to 8 minutes of active scrimmage time each and allow 7 minutes of unopposed free kicks for each team to score as many extra points as it can.

    ———————————————————–

    This made me LOL. And some people think he’s serious too.

  112. bowlhounds says: Aug 23, 2011 2:34 PM

    I wonder why they call this web site PROFOOTBALLTALK.COM when the majority of the morons on here can’t tell a legitimate idea for PRO FOOTBALL from a bunch of whinney a## school girls yelling about who has the better “barbie car”. Most of the non real fans of the game can’t get over the fact that BB has kicked their teams a$$es for the better part of the past decade and even MORE so since “manthoughthewasagenius” turned on the coaching fraternity because BB told him he wasn’t ready to be a PRO FOOTBALL coach, and his panties got all caught up in his girlieboy ideals on how to make a team and cried they”cheat”,like the little bitc%he is . Maybe people should listen to what the man says instead of hearing what they want, the guys a genius when it comes to the game. Get over your pen%% envy of the PATS.

  113. 1historian says: Aug 23, 2011 2:35 PM

    Open letter to all of you who hate Bill Belichik:

    1) Do you (even in your wildest dreams) even dare to imagine that he gives a s..t?

    2) The Patriots were caught stealing defensive signals (by a former asst. coach) in the 1st half of the 1st game of the 2007 season. They were told to stop they did. Given the publicity the incident received would it not stand to reason that the league would keep them under extra-sharp surveillance after that? Of course it does. Any complaints since then? None.

    2) Not long after that rumors, conjecture, etc. started circulating that the Patriots had been stealing defensive signals since, well since forever – probably since (at least) before the civil war. Any proof? None. (BTW – Teams in all sports on all levels have been stealing other teams’ signals – offensive and defensive – since well before the invention of dirt.)

    3) (For being so evil) The Patriots were stripped of their 1st round choice in the 2008 draft. The evil genius ALREADY had the 7th overall choice in the 1st round and then – just to be more evil – he traded down to the 10th overall choice, receiving an extra 2nd round choice, and used that #10 overall choice to pick Jerrod Mayo who (just to irritate all of you that much more) became the defensive rookie of the year.

    4) Your complaints about us Pats fans – we stand accused of being snobs, arrogant, irritating, and just about every other possible fan-crime.

    GUILTY

    When you have a team as good as ours to root for that is as good as ours and has been for the last 10 years and shows no sign of letting up – that is one of the bennies of being a Pats fan. When (if?) they start losing more we will shut up, but until then

    a) get used to it

    and

    b) get some new material

  114. patfic15 says: Aug 23, 2011 2:36 PM

    lbpackfan says:
    Aug 23, 2011 11:52 AM
    John Carney reference>>>>>read my thoughts. My father in law and I still cringe when we see it.

  115. griblets says: Aug 23, 2011 2:46 PM

    One of the best ideas I’ve heard is making the player who scored the TD kick the PAT. That would add a whole new value to skill players.

    Why not take it one step further and make the scoring player kickoff also? The kickoffs would be shorter, resulting in fewer injuries, which might persuade the league to keep the kickoff in the game rather than eliminate, which is the current direction we’re headed.

    I’m sure the kickers would object since their specialty would be eliminated, but do we really care about that?

  116. luckynumberlucas says: Aug 23, 2011 2:48 PM

    I’d say keep the PAT, but add something like a Field Goal Punt.

    Like in Rugby, where you can kick (punt) the ball through the goalposts for 3 points.

    Give the teams an option to either kick a PAT for 1 point, punt it through the goalposts from the 20y line and outside the hash marks for 2 points…

    That would be interesting and would value punters a bit more…

    Just a thought…

  117. eaglesnoles05 says: Aug 23, 2011 2:53 PM

    “I’ve also heard it suggested that the real way to make extra points interesting is to require the player who scored the touchdown to kick the extra point. It would be amusing to see running backs and wide receivers (and occasionally 350-pound linemen who recovered fumbles in the end zone) trying extra points, and it would encourage coaches to go for two a lot more often.”

    —> Who suggested this, Bozo the Clown?

  118. eaglesnoles05 says: Aug 23, 2011 2:59 PM

    1historian- I like your post, i t was funny and witty. But, lol, I had to thumbs ya down because in a post where you are sounding so intelligent, your numbered 2) twice, which is dumb to do in a post so well written. Like an intelligence paradox. lol.

  119. falstaffsmind says: Aug 23, 2011 3:05 PM

    The only thing the NFL needs to eliminate is blackouts. They are the modern day equivalent of debtor’s prison.

  120. stairwayto7 says: Aug 23, 2011 3:24 PM

    If you get rid of kickers, you get rid of onside kicks also!

  121. bradleyjames080 says: Aug 23, 2011 3:30 PM

    “I don’t think it is good for the game. Extra points, when you’re up to the 99 percent range in extra points it’s not a play.”

    ———————————

    I’m all for doing something with extra points, but its ‘success rate’ is a weak argument. I’d be curious to see how often a ‘slam dunk’ is successful….. Or how about a few other high percentage stats/plays: Lowest MLB (team) fielding percentage last year was .978! Worst NHL goalie save percentage was .917! How about the success rate of the center-qb exchange. Want to bet that’s around 99%? Should we have the QB self-hike like we do in flag-football?

    If you want to get rid of it because it’s boring and antedated, great … make them go for 2 or move the kick back to spice things up. But don’t argue against it because it’s a high probability play.

  122. keepounding1234 says: Aug 23, 2011 3:50 PM

    Are you kidding me? Who the hell would want to watch 7 minutes of free kicks? Is your son a kicker somewhere??
    ————————————————–
    From Poland are we?

  123. raidermick says: Aug 23, 2011 3:54 PM

    What’s the matter Boston “cup cakes”, can’t take it when someone bashes your “where the freak were you until this century” freakin team of cheaters?

    The tuck rule does not happen, then you are still the miserable team your were in the previous decades…Your “Coach” will turn into a “Pumpkin” at the stroke of 1:15 pm PST on Oct 02, 2011

    We will be waiting for your cookie dough defense-to come to THE BLACK HOLE!!! LOL!!!

    Oh that’s right, east coast people are only tough in movies and in fairy tales.

    So you won’t show your Patsy freakin cookie dough faces on that day after all.

    Oh well, that’s the just the wimpy East Coast mentality…We understand you would be terrified. You should fear us, you freakin Cup Cakes. LOL!!!

    We will destroy Brady!!!! You hear me? DESTROY!!!

    We will have him on his back all day -if he survives that long – (See Richard S. VS Ben the Rapist.) LOL!!!

    Late…

  124. pigskinswag says: Aug 23, 2011 4:22 PM

    I agree with Bangachik…er…Belichick. Extra points are pointless.

  125. americankris says: Aug 23, 2011 4:35 PM

    Bill Belichick doesn’t see the point in not cheat either

  126. doyousmellthat says: Aug 23, 2011 4:44 PM

    Move the snap of the ball back to the 5. This would create a 22 -yard kick and still be close enough to the goal line for 2 points. Then spot the ball on the hash on the side of the field where the scoring play ended (like they do now after every non-scoring scrimmage play). Having to kick a 22-yard PAT on an angle could be a bit more exciting. Plus, you have the added strategy of which side of the field (or the middle) you score on to make the kicker’s job easier..

  127. fltacks says: Aug 23, 2011 4:46 PM

    So he wants to eliminate kickoffs and extra points. Someone remind me – why do we call the game FOOTball???

  128. nannymcsack says: Aug 23, 2011 4:46 PM

    ^where were you sat aug 20 raidermick? probably in the parking lot of candlestick poppin shots off cause your raiders couldnt get in the endzone against the freakin niners. sorry i wont be able to make it to the black hole this season because, as you notcied im on the EAST coast. thats 3000 miles away and that would put me not in oakland (ie, i have a job). plus, why would i fly al the way across the country to see a complete blowout. ill go to a more competitive patriot victory in philly. thanks

  129. broncobillie says: Aug 23, 2011 5:01 PM

    Liked death and taxes, NFL rule changes are inevitable. Since we are going to have them, might as well make the game more interesting.

    So I say aye to BB’s ideas.

  130. descendency says: Aug 23, 2011 5:01 PM

    It makes sense not only from a fan interest (seriously, when I watch a replay of a game, I skip all extra points unless it’s 2 minutes to go and close) but from a safety issue as well.

    Those non plays are low reward, high risk. When you kick off from the 30 (the 35 moreso) the best outcome for the kicking team (reasonably) is a stop around the 20 (give or take a few yards). It’s highly unlikely that a team gets a stop on the 5. However, If something goes wrong, a team can get a lot better field position (or even score). Thus to stop that, teams take risks that are not really necessary and players get hurt because of it.

    I hate the new rule, but I hate seeing a guy on the field with his neck broken because he was a wedge buster or a middle man.

    Football is a violent sport, but it’s gotten more violent as time has gone on (because of the “bigger, faster, stronger” stuff) and I can understand why the league can’t have that.

  131. beardown2011 says: Aug 23, 2011 5:05 PM

    The extra point is used to break the tie. (7-7, 14-14) Eventually someone will miss resulting in a 7-6, 14-13 or 21-20 score.

  132. toolkien says: Aug 23, 2011 5:08 PM

    Just spit ballin’-

    PAT from the 20 is 1 pt, or
    PAT from the 30 is 2pts, or
    PAT from the 40 is 3pts.

    TD scoring team’s choice.

    No more rough and tumble 2 pt conversions from the 2.

  133. nannymcsack says: Aug 23, 2011 5:56 PM

    yes beardown, the extra point is indeed worth one point. unparalleled insight

  134. nofunleague says: Aug 23, 2011 9:58 PM

    Leave the extra point as it is, but if you miss you lose a point down to 5 points. Wont happen much but may force some to go for 2 points

  135. guada1265 says: Aug 23, 2011 11:02 PM

    I agree with Belichick 100%! Take the “puss” out of football. The extra point is stupid, The Kickoff Rule is even more stupid! These dudes make a lot of money to entertain and I realize that there are health concerns, BUT it’s THEIR choice to take on this profession, not unlike crab fisherman, deep sea welders, farmers, oilmen, or any other high risk job. If you want the bucks there will be risks. I’m all for making things safer with technology (kind of like NASCAR achieved with the HANS device) but until then they should assume the risk that comes with the job. Don’t change the game, figure out better protection.

  136. richm2256 says: Aug 23, 2011 11:10 PM

    @raidermick ;

    Amy Trask says “thanks for debunking the stereotype, moron!”

  137. donkeykong2011 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:47 AM

    all you fools would LOVE to have BB as your team’s coach.

    and you know it.

  138. nickster2k says: Aug 24, 2011 1:59 PM

    ==================================
    tjacks7 says:
    Aug 23, 2011 12:34 PM

    Clearly not thought out. When teams are scoring either 3, 6, or 8 points per score, it would be nearly impossible for a team to be up by 7 at the end of the game.

    ==================================

    and clearly math is not your forte…

    16 – 9?
    19 – 12?
    15 – 8?
    18 – 11?
    21 – 14?

    there are infinite possiblities.

    not that I agree with the suggestion, though. I think the PAT should remain. More so now that Belicheat has spoken out against it.

  139. pigeonpea says: Aug 24, 2011 2:45 PM

    Hey Belichick,

    If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

  140. dlr4skins says: Aug 24, 2011 7:53 PM

    Hey Belicheat!

    Worry about getting yourself a respecting wardrobe, a non-married girlfriend, help from a bogus tuck rule, and doing something in the post-season sans extra video footage!

    If there was no competative advantage to the tapes, why did Goodell burn them quicker than a crack rock in Lawrence Taylor’s pocket.

    Learn some class ala Joe Gibbs!

  141. p01ntman says: Aug 24, 2011 8:22 PM

    Should get rid of punts too then.

    Either you make it on 4th down or you throw it down field.

    If you opt to throw it then you have a chance to recover it.

    if you throw it then the opponent may pick it up and run it.

    you could also fake a down field throw.

  142. nannymcsack says: Aug 24, 2011 9:27 PM

    there should just be a penalty anytime the ball touches somebodys foot. then it would almost make sense for the game to be called football. imagine everytime the ball hit somebodys foot, the whole stadium yells FOOTBALL! 10 yard penalty

  143. bozosforall says: Aug 25, 2011 2:34 PM

    Get rid of game-winning FGs as well. And make it retroactive. LMAO

  144. bozosforall says: Aug 25, 2011 2:42 PM

    luckynumberlucas says:
    Aug 23, 2011 2:48 PM
    I’d say keep the PAT, but add something like a Field Goal Punt.

    Like in Rugby, where you can kick (punt) the ball through the goalposts for 3 points.

    Give the teams an option to either kick a PAT for 1 point, punt it through the goalposts from the 20y line and outside the hash marks for 2 points…

    That would be interesting and would value punters a bit more…

    Just a thought…

    __
    That basically is called a “dropkick”. And it’s still legal in the NFL.

  145. bozosforall says: Aug 25, 2011 2:49 PM

    1historian says:
    Aug 23, 2011 2:35 PM
    Open letter to all of you who hate Bill Belichik:

    1) Do you (even in your wildest dreams) even dare to imagine that he gives a s..t?

    2) The Patriots were caught stealing defensive signals (by a former asst. coach) in the 1st half of the 1st game of the 2007 season. They were told to stop they did. Given the publicity the incident received would it not stand to reason that the league would keep them under extra-sharp surveillance after that? Of course it does. Any complaints since then? None.

    2) Not long after that rumors, conjecture, etc. started circulating that the Patriots had been stealing defensive signals since, well since forever – probably since (at least) before the civil war. Any proof? None. (BTW – Teams in all sports on all levels have been stealing other teams’ signals – offensive and defensive – since well before the invention of dirt.)

    3) (For being so evil) The Patriots were stripped of their 1st round choice in the 2008 draft. The evil genius ALREADY had the 7th overall choice in the 1st round and then – just to be more evil – he traded down to the 10th overall choice, receiving an extra 2nd round choice, and used that #10 overall choice to pick Jerrod Mayo who (just to irritate all of you that much more) became the defensive rookie of the year.

    4) Your complaints about us Pats fans – we stand accused of being snobs, arrogant, irritating, and just about every other possible fan-crime.

    GUILTY

    When you have a team as good as ours to root for that is as good as ours and has been for the last 10 years and shows no sign of letting up – that is one of the bennies of being a Pats fan. When (if?) they start losing more we will shut up, but until then

    a) get used to it

    and

    b) get some new material

    ___
    How pathetic. Just goes to show that outside of bandwagon sports fandom, New Englanders have no life.

    Of course, compared to the hatred that New Englanders have for the Yankees (who have pretty much dominated an entire century of baseball), any “hatred” of the Pats is laughable by comparison. Pretty much explains the desperation with which New Englanders have clung to this blip in time. New England sports fans are without a doubt the most childish fans in all of the sports world. Cry about the boorish behavior fans of other teams (Steeler fans in particular) when they are losing and conveniently forget how to be gracious winners when they are winning. Biggest hypocrites in America.

  146. bozosforall says: Aug 25, 2011 2:52 PM

    bowlhounds says:
    Aug 23, 2011 2:34 PM
    I wonder why they call this web site PROFOOTBALLTALK.COM when the majority of the morons on here can’t tell a legitimate idea for PRO FOOTBALL from a bunch of whinney a## school girls yelling about who has the better “barbie car”. Most of the non real fans of the game can’t get over the fact that BB has kicked their teams a$$es for the better part of the past decade and even MORE so since “manthoughthewasagenius” turned on the coaching fraternity because BB told him he wasn’t ready to be a PRO FOOTBALL coach, and his panties got all caught up in his girlieboy ideals on how to make a team and cried they”cheat”,like the little bitc%he is . Maybe people should listen to what the man says instead of hearing what they want, the guys a genius when it comes to the game. Get over your pen%% envy of the PATS.

    __
    What a loser post from a gay loser named butthumps. The Pats still have a long way to go to top more prominent franchises like the Steelers. Until then, your team is still far behind. Much like you were in grade school.

  147. bozosforall says: Aug 25, 2011 2:58 PM

    patriotinvasion says:
    Aug 23, 2011 12:51 PM
    Listen to your master folks. All the Belichick haters can keep hating but you all know you’d love to have the greatest coach in NFL history coaching your team.

    And if you think taping dummy signals in plain view to 70,000 people in the stadium made him who he is than you’re reaching for straws to justify the Patriots whoopin’ your team’s tale for a decade.

    The Dynasty continues bums…haha!

    __
    If the signals were so “dummy” then why did the “greatest” coach even bother? Looks like he was pretty stupid to do it if it really didn’t give him any advantage. Also stupid of you Pats fan to even believe that he wasn’t purposefully cheating.

    Oh, and the word is “tail”, New England MORON. Go back and get your GED, you freakin’ idiot.

  148. londonbengal says: Aug 27, 2011 12:10 PM

    IMO there should be some thought given to the NFL scoring system to encourage more ‘big’ plays.

    Something like…..

    1 point = existing PAT,
    2 points = existing 2 point try,
    3 points = existing field goal try,
    4 points = field goals from behind the 35 yard line,
    5 points = defensive safety,
    6 points = TD,
    7 points = All TD’s scored from behind the 35, including punt/KO return TD’s.

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