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NFL knows it needs big crowds to make for good TV

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As the NFL continues to figure out how to get more people to choose attending games over watching them on increasingly sophisticated televisions (and not buy increasingly expensive stadium food and drink), Cowboys owner Jerry Jones acknowledges that there’s a connection between the two.

Basically, the league needs full stadiums to make the games as compelling as they possibly can be on television.

“Only seven percent of NFL fans have ever been inside an NFL stadium,” Jones told Charlie Rose of PBS.  “That stadium I built was built for television.  I could have built it for $800 million, not [$1.2 billion].  But I wanted to design a ‘wow’ factor so that an Al Michaels could be sitting there, and basically through his talent make the fans at home on television feel like that they were right there at the game, a part of what was going on at the game.

“Our game cannot become a studio game, it’s got to have the pageantry of the coliseum of Rome, it’s got to have the crowds.  And that makes the game more exciting to watch on television.”

So what does this mean?  Well, for the teams that can’t fill stadiums on a consistent basis (whether that’s the Bucs, Jags, Raiders, Chargers, or anyone else), it means that they’ll become candidates to move to cities where they can.

The other reality is that, unlike Jones’ 100,000-seat-give-or-take-a-few-especially-during-the-Super-Bowl football palace, some teams may need to build smaller stadiums in the future, in order to ensure that they’ll be full on a full-time basis.

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  1. japdouds says: Aug 24, 2011 10:26 AM

    Going to the games is over-rated now. TV broadcasts are much better, traffic to and from games is awful, most tailgating has been eliminated in many stadium parking lots, and cold weather games from November on just suck.

  2. clintonportisheadd says: Aug 24, 2011 10:28 AM

    “Our game cannot become a studio game, it’s got to have the pageantry of the coliseum of Rome….”

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    Gladiator death matches at halftime? REAL Lions and Bears fighting the scout team? All hail Jerry! All hail Jerry!

  3. patmcrotch says: Aug 24, 2011 10:30 AM

    Everybody knows you cant do ANYTHING with only 800 million.

  4. scudbot says: Aug 24, 2011 10:31 AM

    japdouds says: “cold weather games from November on just suck.” Check with the Packers and Bears on that.

  5. pleasantsurpriselefty says: Aug 24, 2011 10:32 AM

    Here’s the tradeoff: go to the stadium, be cold, hot, mugged, shot, and be ripped off for parking, hot dogs or cold beer or, sit home with a hi-def flatscreen, a full refrigerator, and the ability to watch another game if your team sucks that day. It is what it is as the hooded one would say.

  6. dickroy says: Aug 24, 2011 10:34 AM

    If this is true and Mike Brown don’t sell the team, Cincy may have to build a new 100 seat stadium!

  7. kkickflip says: Aug 24, 2011 10:36 AM

    I hope this is a step towards protecting teams like Minnesota, Buffalo and New Orleans which are small markets with passionate fanbases that do very well in attendance and are some of the loudest stadiums in the league.

  8. uclabruininstlouis says: Aug 24, 2011 10:38 AM

    And, not to mention the fact that you don’t have to worry about being beaten up or shot.

  9. tombradyswig says: Aug 24, 2011 10:39 AM

    don’t forget the 80 foot, Skeletor-tron!!

  10. wallyballz says: Aug 24, 2011 10:41 AM

    Or maybe they could just lower the ticket prices??

  11. samie09 says: Aug 24, 2011 10:43 AM

    Not very often i agree or like what Jerry says but i do here. I also totally disagree with Japdouds. It’s no where near overrated. There is no experience like being at your team’s stadium.

  12. phillyisinvading says: Aug 24, 2011 10:43 AM

    The best T.V. is when the Eagles shove it down the cowboys throats on National Prime Time T.V. in Dallas.

    Hopefully that will gain you some fans Jerry.

  13. scudbot says: Aug 24, 2011 10:45 AM

    uclabruininstlouis says: “And, not to mention the fact that you don’t have to worry about being beaten up or shot.” Another reason for the NFL to steer clear of California.

  14. quiettexan says: Aug 24, 2011 10:45 AM

    how is building that behemoth bringing cowboys fans better broadcasts?

    dont lie jerry you’re just a show off. take some time from drawing attention to yourself, it’s rex’s turn.

  15. fatcamper says: Aug 24, 2011 10:45 AM

    Seems a bit hypocritical when the owners have raised ticket prices pretty consistently. As fans I think we would be inclined to get off the couch and go to the game if it was affordable.

  16. raiderlyfe510 says: Aug 24, 2011 10:45 AM

    You need a new commissioner…blackouts will continue to rise as long as this commissioner is in office…amazing that a bunch of billionaires can’t realize the problem..it’s not the economy it’s not HD TVs..the gameday experience is much better than Tv…it’s the product.

    5 percent of the teams are good…10 percent competitive…85 % are outright garbage..which equals bad football.

    Plus the NFL is too soft now.

    Going to games is an investment..nobody is gonna invest in a bad product, emotionally or economically..at Home on Tv we can just switch the channel.at the stadium you’re stuck.

    AS FAR AS MY RAIDERS ARE CONCERNED…IT DOESN’T MATTER WHERE THEY MOVE..NO CITY WAS GONNA SUPPORT THAT FOOTBALL THEY WERE PLAYING.. I THINK IT WAS AMAZING THAT 10k PEOPLE SHOWED UP TO WATCH THAT NON COMPETITIVE CRAP RAN BY TOM CABLE…THE BIGGEST BOZO DUFUS TO EVER WEAR A COACHING HEADSET.

  17. zoxitic says: Aug 24, 2011 10:47 AM

    For the umpteenth time.

    Jags had ZERO blackouts last year.

  18. chadmurdigan says: Aug 24, 2011 10:47 AM

    If you want to fill the stadiums, stop ripping off the fans. Charge a reasonable price for tickets and concessions. Geez, this isn’t rocket science.

    With the money the teams are making from their TV deals, they should let fans in for free with a complimentary beer and mustard dog.

  19. sportsmonk says: Aug 24, 2011 10:48 AM

    lets see… go to an over priced event…pay over priced for food and drinks…pay over priced to park…and maybe if i’m lucky i can get shot or stabbed…sounds great…or maybe i’ll just stay home and watch the game on my boring tv..

  20. zoxitic says: Aug 24, 2011 10:49 AM

    “it’s got to have the pageantry of the coliseum of Rome”

    With the scaled down version of kickoffs of course.

  21. adogdc says: Aug 24, 2011 10:51 AM

    Stadiums in general are better than watching on TV if you are a *real* football fan who attends Youth League/High School/College games as well, if possible for them. Or just grew up in that athmosphere.

    HTTR!

  22. brwmstr says: Aug 24, 2011 10:52 AM

    How about not charging full price for pre-season games!! That would increase season ticket holders. I paid $1352 for four seats to two Patriot pre-season games that I won’t even attend not to mention the starters did not play in game one and probably will not play in game four (both our home pre-season games). That’s real fair.

  23. zoxitic says: Aug 24, 2011 10:52 AM

    I hope this is a step towards protecting teams like Minnesota, Buffalo and New Orleans which are small markets with passionate fanbases that do very well in attendance and are some of the loudest stadiums in the league.

    ________________________________

    I went to a Saints game years ago. It was half empty. They were losing back then, remember with paper bags and all. Winning solves a lot of problems. Better hope that passionate fanbase sticks around when they start losing again. See Tampa Bay Bucs.

  24. foulestpig says: Aug 24, 2011 10:52 AM

    I’m a season ticket holder and I firmly believe there is nothing like going to a game in person vs watching it at home. But I’m not going to renew my tickets next year as they keep raising prices every year even when the economy was weak.

    My tickets rose $25 each ticket, per game, in the last 2 years! If they want to keep the stadiums full, lower or stop raising the ticket prices! Simple as that!

  25. zoxitic says: Aug 24, 2011 10:54 AM

    I have a great solution NFL, it’s pretty simplistic actually,:

    LOWER YOUR DAMN PRICES YOU IDIOTS!

  26. o37garcia says: Aug 24, 2011 10:56 AM

    They need to take into consideration that the economy is bad right now & how unemployment is…I know of like 4-5 big companies in Tampa that closed down that had season tickets & would give them out to employees & family but now its pay the light bill or go to the game….it unfortunate

  27. flicka727 says: Aug 24, 2011 11:00 AM

    I don’t agree that markets unable to fill up their seats may be candidates to move elsewhere. The money from ticket and concession sales pales in comparison to TV revenue and the marketing and advertising dollars from hanging your company’s banner in the stadium or being a teams official diet drink, etc. They will stay put… ticket prices will just be lowered until they are able to fill the stadium.

  28. ny82jy says: Aug 24, 2011 11:00 AM

    To me theres nothing like going to your teams home games. Whether its in the summer fall or winter. The whole experience from tailgating to going in and having a good time for the day cant be matched by watching on tv. Ive been going to the meadowlands for years and the only bad experience is the prices for EVERYTHING keep going up. Ive never once feared for my saftey and ive only seen one or two actual fist fights and those were jet dolphins games too. Ive never heard of a shooting at any game or any sport here in the metropolitan area. It seems like there are some real animals out there in Cali that have nothing better to do than go to games and start trouble and even try to kill people. Those lowlifes are going to ruin alot of things for the real fans out there if they dont get a handle on things.

  29. ndallasruss says: Aug 24, 2011 11:00 AM

    “…it’s got to have the pageantry of the coliseum of Rome…”

    The NFL’s Brain, Head and Neck Medical Committee will suggest the league-wide implementation of bronze helmets for all players to further reduce the instance and impact of concussions.

  30. adogdc says: Aug 24, 2011 11:01 AM

    But to expound on my comment about preferring the Stadium over watching on my 57″ 1080p TV…..The owners make it tough for fans to go to games now because they are price gauging to the max these days. Traffic, Parking (I heard a regular Dallas parking pass fetches $100 on Craigslist), Beer ($9), Bottled Water ($5), and the seats theirselves……

    The smartest thing to do would be to up the amount of the TV contracts to a value eqaul to the share that the visiting team receives in their cut of the game played, which would enable all teams to reap the same revenue benefits and the owners can then reduce their prices by up to 40% that way (which is the split that the visiting team takes home with them). But the NFL should impose a cap like they are doing with the rookie wages on how much they would be allowed by League Rules to increase the ticket price.

    I know. That sounds very communist like…but isn’t the rest of the NFL communist like in the first place? Why not make it a total communist state versus a qausi-communist state?

  31. LIBERAL 101 says: Aug 24, 2011 11:03 AM

    TOO DAMN EXPENSIVE FOR THE AVERAGE MIDDLE CLASS WORKER.

  32. anarchopurplism says: Aug 24, 2011 11:03 AM

    Lower the prices fools!

    Supply and demand……why would I want to spend 5 hours & $100 so I can squint to see the action, have a meager snack for $8 & nurse a beer like dying puppy.

    At home, I hardly spend a dime nor time away from my family. I have a spread fit for a king and even have people over.

    The NFL has unprecedented success. A team should get radical on bottom-barrel ticket prices and make money up on sodas n etc.

    We are in a depression & this is clearly an entertainment expense.

  33. goodjet says: Aug 24, 2011 11:04 AM

    Maybe if you didn’t take all the hitting out of the game and made it you know – Somewhat affordable – But nothing brings the fans to their feet quicker then a big hit and now that’s really becoming a thing of the past – But must people I know really just can’t afford it – I used to have Jets season tickets and now I can go to like one or two games a year at most – Hell between gas, traveling, food and a decent seat it’s a 4 to 5 hundred dollar day and that’s if I go alone – But I’m way less motivated now that their taking the hitting out of the game and watering it down and doing all this way over the top protectionism stuff, it’s just not the same experiences – Oh and Jerry Jones, he builds a stadium so people can come and watch it on TV so — ummm — Go figure

  34. scudbot says: Aug 24, 2011 11:05 AM

    $8M for TJack, $20M for Favre, RBs holding out for $100M, $120M for a WR. Might have something to do with fans not being able to afford to go.

  35. castleofcheese says: Aug 24, 2011 11:06 AM

    Jerry is right on with this one. Full stadiums and crowd activity are important to both fans at the game and watching on TV. Nothing like your team getting the ball with a minute and half left in the game, down by 4 and the sound of the fans roaring through the TV speakers (or sweet surround sound system if you are luckier than me).

    That said, I generally go to two Packer games a year simply because I feel like it would be wrong of me to turn down the opportunity to go to Lambeau. More and more though, I prefer watching games on my flat screen with the mini fridge and nachos at arms reach.

  36. homelanddefense says: Aug 24, 2011 11:06 AM

    its not just the ticket prices though, how about parking. The last Patriots game I attended was in 2006 and it was 50$ to park. The lot is completely owned by the Kraft family, why do you need 50$ a car?

    Then add in the hard to find, overpriced tickets. And the laughable concessions…how could you blame people for watching at home?

    I love the experience of going to the game, but 1 or 2 a year would be more than enough.

  37. fergenator says: Aug 24, 2011 11:06 AM

    How about returning the game to the fans. just build an inexpensive stadium…hole in the ground with bleachers….surrounded by a large parking lot with lots of green grass area…to tailgate in. Make the concessions affordable ….you know just sell hot dogs …chips and drinks….of course beer! Make the tickets a must have affordable $10 a seat..you get my drift. Everyone knows that the real money is in the TV revenue….we don’t need these monster stadiums and cushy seats…to enjoy the live experience of a good game. Think about what you need …you’d be suprised!

  38. ammarradhi says: Aug 24, 2011 11:13 AM

    There is nothing more exciting than watching the games live in the stadiums, being with the crowds, even in cold weather, but when ticket prices are getting to 500 or 600 for one seat, I think its smarter to just pay the mortgage that month. LOWER PRICES, WERE IN A RECESSION

  39. 1phd says: Aug 24, 2011 11:15 AM

    chadmurdigan says: Aug 24, 2011 10:47 AM

    With the money the teams are making from their TV deals, they should let fans in for free with a complimentary beer and mustard dog.
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    Give it a few years and it will probably come to this in markets where the teams never win.

  40. bearsfankarnik87 says: Aug 24, 2011 11:17 AM

    As so many other people on here have said: If you want people to show up at the games, make it more affordable! I absolutely LOVE going to games but there’s almost no way I can afford to do so. To sit in even the nose-bleed, can-hardly-see-the-game type seats costs roughly $80, then you have to pay TicketMaster $20 for “handling” your tickets for you, then you have to drive to the stadium (gas money), pay another $20 to park your vehicle, buy one hot dog and one beer (another $20) and then drive home (gas money). For one person, that’s $140 before gas money! Sure, you can eliminate eating at the game and perhaps you live close enough that you can use public transportation to the game that might save you $10 but you’re still looking to pay in the triple digits to attend ONE GAME! And Heaven help you if you want to take your family to a game, that’s gonna be around $400! Who can afford to do that on any kind of a regular basis? Bottom Line NFL: you want people to show up? Make the games more affordable or you will lose your audience to television.

  41. roddytorock84 says: Aug 24, 2011 11:23 AM

    Well ppl don’t go to the game cuz everything is overpriced. Why are they over thinkin this? 8 dollar beer. 6 dollar hot dog. 7 dollar nacho. 20 dollars to park your car. 300 for your ticket. Let’s say on average just 100 dollar per ticket and 20,000 seats. A team has 10 home games a season excluding playoffs. 2,000,000 a game. And that’s just for cheap tickets. 20,000,000 a season. That stadium is gonna be up for like 30 years. That’s 600 billion dollars. Not including merchandise concessions or tv contracts. And that’s at only 100 a ticket. You know they are alot more than that.

  42. jvibottomline says: Aug 24, 2011 11:24 AM

    You can play in the parking lot for all I care in front of nobody just as long as 2 things remain in place, Fantasy Football and Wagering on Games. Those are the 2 REASONS people watch the NFL, nothing else. Accept it and profit off it. If you want a stadium family experience that is what baseball is for and that is why baseball kills football at the gate and football kills baseball on television.

  43. roddytorock84 says: Aug 24, 2011 11:26 AM

    Also add concerts and playoff games in the mix there.

  44. mightymightylafootball says: Aug 24, 2011 11:27 AM

    Caeser has spoken….

  45. raiderlyfe510 says: Aug 24, 2011 11:28 AM

    It’s the product…simple and plain. With all of this parity even with the competitive teams it’s not good football.not good enough to spend 70 dollars on.

    With the Raiders under Gruden we averaged about 50k which is good because in Oakland we were paying playoff ticket prices for regular season games.

    With Norv turner and Art Shell..even Lane Kiffin it was pretty steady..no sell outs, but pretty steady..Tom Cable the Clown takes over and attendance drops to about 15 to 20k…this was a coach where players could execute his plays to a Tee and still get stopped.

    ITS THE PRODUCT…

  46. klunge says: Aug 24, 2011 11:31 AM

    zoxitic says:
    For the umpteenth time.
    Jags had ZERO blackouts last year.
    ———————————————-

    And it’s a beautiful thing to watch those tarps doing the wave.

  47. kurb21 says: Aug 24, 2011 11:36 AM

    25 dollars to park. At least 70 dollars for a ticket. 8.00 for a drink…of soda.

    As many have stated, bring the costs back down to reality and you will have no problem keeping the stadiums full.

    When we watched owners and players fight over the 9 billion dollars that the fans provide them, it was a wake up call that fans should get a bit more for our money.

  48. meglasdad says: Aug 24, 2011 11:41 AM

    So what does this mean? Well, for the teams that can’t fill stadiums on a consistent basis (whether that’s the Bucs, Jags, Raiders, Chargers, or anyone else), it means that they’ll become candidates to move to cities where they can.

    Where are they gonna go? Unless LA can handle 4 teams, seems everywhere else is filled. Maybe the owners and players haven’t looked out their ivory towers lately, but the economy sucks. Why pay hundreds for tickets, and almost as much to park? I can make it a couple hours without the caviar priced hot dogs and beer so that is a non issue for me but not many others. Reasonably priced tickets and food would help but still, why pay all that money when I can sit at home, warm and a full tummy, and the only NFL experience I missed out on was the obnoxious drunks and getting the snot beat out of me and my family.

  49. bigdog214 says: Aug 24, 2011 11:42 AM

    Why do people stay home? let’s see….

    ticket prices are manageable. food and parking on top of it make it expensive.

    on top of it, I know if i stay home, I won’t get into a fight, or thrown up on by some drunk. My kids won’t have to hear foul and abusive language.

  50. joetoronto says: Aug 24, 2011 11:44 AM

    “it’s got to have the pageantry of the coliseum of Rome”

    The man really is delusional.

  51. buckybadger says: Aug 24, 2011 11:44 AM

    Instead of building your stadium for TV [whatever that means], why not build it for a great fan experience. The uppers are so high in that place that you have to watch the big screens and I don’t pay that type of price for something I could do at home. Been in that place and I was not impressed. Sure the TV is cool but again, I have a cool one at home too. Give me Lambeau any day over that billion dollar dump.

  52. vahawker says: Aug 24, 2011 11:45 AM

    Going to a game is certainly better than watching at home. In the stadium you can see the entire field on each play, you can see the wide open receiver that the QB never looked at, you can see the huge hole the RB ignored, you can focus on segment of the team(O-line, DB’s, etc) or one player, and you can watch all the things going on away from the play. Your field of view isn’t limited to what the letter stations decide you should see.

    Unfortunately, they have priced themselves out of most people’s budget. But they turn a deaf ear to that obvious reality.

    Isn’t there an oxymoron with Jones trying to fill his stadium by making people watching on TV feel like they are there? Why go there if you can feel like you are there while sitting on your couch with your own choice of beer, your own food, your own private bathroom and not feeling obliged to stay and watch a terrible game because you pizzed away a mortgage sized payment to see the game.

  53. nationalmediacansuckit says: Aug 24, 2011 11:49 AM

    klunge says:
    Aug 24, 2011 11:31 AM
    zoxitic says:
    For the umpteenth time.
    Jags had ZERO blackouts last year.
    ———————————————-

    And it’s a beautiful thing to watch those tarps doing the wave.

    Idiot, learn about the tarps before you comment.
    Everbank Field with tarps 67, 164 on par with every other small market in the league. Without
    77, 867 and expandable to 84,000 for college/events. Try a lil harder next time tough guy.

  54. cincybert says: Aug 24, 2011 11:49 AM

    dickroy says:
    Aug 24, 2011 10:34 AM
    If this is true and Mike Brown don’t sell the team, Cincy may have to build a new 100 seat stadium!

    __________________________________
    Ever been to a Bengals game at Paul Brown Stadium dickroy? It seats over 65,000, and the Bengals had a streak of 57 consecutive sellouts (7 years) snapped last November. I know its not Green Bay with generations of sell-outs, but it is simply not accurate to bash Cincinnati fans for not supporting the Bengals. Get your facts straight before you post a comment.

  55. contract says: Aug 24, 2011 11:54 AM

    “Or maybe they could just lower the ticket prices??”

    That’s just crazy enough to work!

  56. nickster2k says: Aug 24, 2011 11:57 AM

    ==============================
    zoxitic says:
    For the umpteenth time.
    Jags had ZERO blackouts last year.
    ==============================

    unless you’re still counting Matt Jones as a Jaguar.

  57. boomerdt says: Aug 24, 2011 11:58 AM

    How about a pro football game with a college game atmosphere? The only pro game I’ve been to in the last 10 years was actually a great time (Baltimore vs. Buffalo in B-more). But it’s too expensive to do week in and week out.

    Also could teams not sell every decent seat as a season ticket? I want to go to 1 game and sit in a decent seat. Why must I always but it from stubhub for 4 times the face value? (which the tickets for 1 game cost the same as buying a season ticket).

    Also because of fantasy football… I’d rather sit at the bar and go ADD watching 6 games at once… And the bar bill is only $30, instead of $250 for the ticket and $50 for food.

    Sorry…. TV wins for now.

  58. adcoop22 says: Aug 24, 2011 11:59 AM

    I moved from a small town to a NFL with a playoff team. I was excited to go to games. Then I bought my first tickets and sat 3 rows from the top. Got whipped in the face with somebodies beer-soaked ripoff of a terrible towel. I had the visiting teams fans crying when they lost and fights breaking out everywhere around me. I decided it is not anywhere close to worth the hundreds of dollars for one game when I can spend about the same amount to get NFL Sunday Ticket and see every game I want to see.

  59. granadafan says: Aug 24, 2011 12:02 PM

    The extremely greedy NFL just doesn’t get it. The market has spoken, and it says that your prices are too high. It’s called the recession, but they wouldn’t know that when they’re riding in private jets, staying at 5 star hotels, burning $100 bills to light their cigars, etc.

    The NFL is the only business in the world where it punishes their customers for not buying their products.

    Instead of ripping the heart out of communities and moving the team because they can’t afford to rebuild a stadium built less than 30 years ago, perhaps the teams and league should MAKE THEIR PRODUCT AFFORDABLE!!!!

  60. CKL says: Aug 24, 2011 12:06 PM

    jvibottomline says: Aug 24, 2011 11:24 AM

    You can play in the parking lot for all I care in front of nobody just as long as 2 things remain in place, Fantasy Football and Wagering on Games. Those are the 2 REASONS people watch the NFL, nothing else. Accept it and profit off it. If you want a stadium family experience that is what baseball is for and that is why baseball kills football at the gate and football kills baseball on television.
    _______________________________________
    I DESPISE fantasy football to my very core and think it’s there just to attract casual fans to the game more to make more $$. I’ve never bet on a game in my life. I love the SPORT….the NFL sport, not arena not CFL. I don’t know too many fans who would stop watching football if they got rid of gambling and FF. You are the definition of casual fan, not fan of the sport itself. And unfortunately this is the type of fan the NFL is catering to these days.

    That’s the real problem, the NFL trying to maximize revenue by catering to the CASUAL FAN. Celebs in the booth during games, dumb halftime shows, etc etc. Puke. It’s one reason I hate going to the games now. I loved old crappy Municipal Stadium for example. You went to those games because you loved the GAME……because you sure in heck didn’t go due to all the poofy niceties there. These days it’s the “see and be seen” corporate crowd that rules and they have 0 interest in the sport. The owners WANTED those people there because those people (and their companies that buy suites/ tickets) have the dough for all the extras and love poufiness so they (usually along with a HUGE and WRONGFUL involuntary assist from all the taxpayers) built all these frou frou stadiums that cost so much money and those type people now the majority of who can afford to go. It’s not fun to me to go to a game when the fans around me are more interested in talking to each other, being on their cell phones and getting up 47,987 times a game to go get food all while telling real fans to stop cheering so loud (THE HORRORS!!)and SIT DOWN (because they can’t hear each other gossip over people’s expressing enthusiasm for their TEAM playing the GAME). I hear similar complaints from other longtime fans of the SPORT..they hate these “wine and cheese” type fans.

    LOL I realize I sound like a crabby old dude. NOWGETOFFMYLAWN!!! But still…that’s a HUGE reason why I don’t enjoy going to games anymore.

  61. jakek2 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:10 PM

    raiderlyfe510 says:
    Aug 24, 2011 10:45 AM
    You need a new commissioner…blackouts will continue to rise as long as this commissioner is in office…amazing that a bunch of billionaires can’t realize the problem..it’s not the economy it’s not HD TVs..the gameday experience is much better than Tv…it’s the product.

    5 percent of the teams are good…10 percent competitive…85 % are outright garbage..which equals bad football.

    Plus the NFL is too soft now.

    Going to games is an investment..nobody is gonna invest in a bad product, emotionally or economically..at Home on Tv we can just switch the channel.at the stadium you’re stuck.

    AS FAR AS MY RAIDERS ARE CONCERNED…IT DOESN’T MATTER WHERE THEY MOVE..NO CITY WAS GONNA SUPPORT THAT FOOTBALL THEY WERE PLAYING.. I THINK IT WAS AMAZING THAT 10k PEOPLE SHOWED UP TO WATCH THAT NON COMPETITIVE CRAP RAN BY TOM CABLE…THE BIGGEST BOZO DUFUS TO EVER WEAR A COACHING HEADSET.
    —————————-
    Raiderly – You hit the nail on the head. Dumbos on this site don’t understand and thumbs down you. They think its merely the high ticket prices.
    WRONG!

    There’s plenty of people out there that will pay big bucks to see high-quality entertainment. They pay to hear the crunch and see legalized violence up close in the flesh. However, Goodell has transformed this league into a glorified, 100-yd, arena / touch football league. There is no hitting, no drama, and no ebb and flow. The tight rules give the refs too much power making the games feel fixed like pro wrestling. The game has devolved into a very uninteresting tennis match of scoring which now caters to fantasy geeks who now outnumber real fans.

    Europe is in just a deep recession and Greece is bankrupt. Yet, each one of those countries pay soccer players astronomical amounts and all of their stadiums, some much bigger than ours, are sold out with decades long waiting lists. WHY?? Because their commissioners don’t put a team in every corner of the continent and tinker with the rules to make goal nets 10x the size to inflate scoring.

    And yes, the billionaires are dumb. It’s a wonder how they got this far. Look no further than Bud Adams who won’t negotiate with CJ simply because how CJ was acting. These owners can’t check their egos at the door. Them and Goodell will kill this league.

  62. jakek2 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:17 PM

    cont . . .

    The result, overinflated, over-hyped, over-priced tickets that cater to fans mentioned in CKL’s 12:06 p.m. post.

  63. steelerfan999 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:18 PM

    YEAH JERRY I CANT WAIT FOR FOOTBALL SUNDAYS TO WATCH THE BIG CROWDS AT THE GAME,WHO CARES ABOUT THE CROWDS,THESE OWNERS ARE A BUNCH OF EMPTY SUITS,FIRST JED YORK AND NOW JERRY PLASTICFACE JONES.WTF.

  64. dickroy says: Aug 24, 2011 12:33 PM

    @ cincybert

    Yes I have, but only when they play the Steelers. I live about 40 minutes from the staduim, but have no desire to go watch this disfuntional team.
    I know Cincy fans are loyal. So am I to my team the Steelers.
    However I am a strong supporter of the Reds.
    I was making a joke. I know they have sell outs because my son n law had season tickets, until he gave them up last year.

  65. radrntn says: Aug 24, 2011 12:39 PM

    I have to disagree a little bit with you . The only way to finance a new stadium is to be guaranteed to host a super bowl at a future date to offset the costs associated with the construction. The only way to host a superbowl is to have a stadium that sits at least 70,000.

  66. laeaglefan says: Aug 24, 2011 12:40 PM

    The truth of the matter is that for most fans, you can see the game a lot better on TV than you can at the stadium. Not to mention the fact that you don’t have to shell out megabucks for tickets, parking and concessions, brave bad weather conditions……..and you also don’t have to fight the crowds and the jammed traffic trying to leave the stadium after the game.

    There will always be enough fans who do want to actually see the games in person to fill the stadiums, so I don’t think the NFL has any worries there, but I do think that the experience of actually going to an NFL game is overrated.

  67. dasmol says: Aug 24, 2011 12:44 PM

    @raiderlyfe510 says:
    Aug 24, 2011 11:28 AM
    It’s the product…simple and plain. With all of this parity even with the competitive teams it’s not good football.not good enough to spend 70 dollars on.

    With the Raiders under Gruden we averaged about 50k which is good because in Oakland we were paying playoff ticket prices for regular season games.

    With Norv turner and Art Shell..even Lane Kiffin it was pretty steady..no sell outs, but pretty steady..Tom Cable the Clown takes over and attendance drops to about 15 to 20k…this was a coach where players could execute his plays to a Tee and still get stopped.

    ITS THE PRODUCT…
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    Bandwagon fans. If you have the means, and are a true fan, you attend the games. Talent and record do not influence the attendance of real fans. And you’re the second raider fan I’ve seen try to make this lame arguement.

  68. skinnyskins says: Aug 24, 2011 12:47 PM

    I definitely prefer watching live over TV, but only if I have lower level seats. It’s not worth sitting at the top of FedEx to watch the game through the new screens they installed. This means I only make it to 1-2 games per year rather than 3-4 by buying cheap seats.

    Some options to create a better environment:

    1) During TV timeouts and breaks in coverage, show other games/fantasy updates/highlights on the big screens. I don’t care about the stupid trivia questions and fan challenges. I’d much rather keep up-to-date with happenings around the league.

    2) Create separate family sections and party deck zones. Some franchises already are going this route but it should be everywhere.

    3) Dole out and enforce lifetime bans for fan fighting. It does not belong at games.

    4) Create options to buy single game tickets directly from the box office. They should not allow 3rd party wholesalers to corner the market.

    5) I think ticket prices are reasonable, but parking and concessions are ridiculously expensive. I can go to a bar or stay home, get better food, watch every game, and be with my friends for much much less than going to a game.

  69. zn0rseman says: Aug 24, 2011 12:48 PM

    1: Fix the terrible officiating problem. Which basically means, stop rigging games for teams like the Steelers, Giants, Jets and Bears.

    2: Lower prices so fans can afford to go without having to sacrifice major major purchases. For example, I recently bought and installed new carpet in my house for less money than the cost of decent season tickets.

    3: Improve stadium experience. Sell GOOD beer and GOOD food at reasonable prices. Improve tailgating. Increase security so a fan doesn’t have to worry about getting getting beaten or shot in North Mexico (San Francisco) or West Africa (Los Angeles).

    4: Define the rules better. Nobody from small market teams can say from one week to the next what counts as a catch, when forward progress is stopped, or what constitutes holding, or if pass interference even requires contact with another player.

  70. steelerfan999 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:49 PM

    LET SEE,STAY HOME AND EAT 8 HOT DOGS FOR 9 DOLLARS OR GO TO THE GAME AND EAT ONE FOR 9 DOLLARS,DRINK 2 SIX PACKS OF BEER FOR 10 DOLLARS OR PAY 10 DOLLARS FOR 1,STAND IN LINE TO PISS,OR JUST PISS WITH THE DOOR OPEN WITH TV SCREEN IN VIEW. DO THE MATH JERRY.

  71. jakek2 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:57 PM

    Create options to buy single game tickets directly from the box office. They should not allow 3rd party wholesalers to corner the market.
    ———–
    Wonderful idea but you have a better chance of seeing pigs fly. Owners don’t care who buy the tickets as long as someone does. In fact, owners have been known to sell directly to brokers at more than face value (making owners scalpers as well)

    Now…I know the owner lackeys here would never believe such sliminess exists, but that is capitalism for you.

  72. tbf22 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:58 PM

    How much of a price cut do you really expect for ticket to be cheaper?

    if tickets for the lower level are, lets say $300 a ticket. Would you want it to be cut down to $275? which is almost a 10% decrease.. or do you need to have it cut down to $200? a 33% decrease. Or perhaps you’d prefer to make it so any hobo on the street can go to a game and make it $20 a ticket?

    you don’t have to buy the $300 tickets, you can buy the $100 tickets for the upper level, and enjoy the game. Stop whining about ticket prices just because your broke butt can’t afford it.

    If you prefer to watch a game at home on your TV, then it shouldn’t matter what the prices are. You are happy sitting on your couch anyways. Which is fine, I enjoy watching football from my house. But it is also fun to occasionally go out to the game and cheer for your team live in person.

  73. godofwine330 says: Aug 24, 2011 1:10 PM

    I have a Samsung UN55C8000 3DTV with DirecTv Sunday Ticket. It isn’t worth it to go to watch a game when I have it like this. A $50 ticket (if I could even find one that cheap) would have me in the nosebleeds so high that I wouldn’t know who the hell was on the field anyway.

    I’ll pass. Sorry NFL, you have priced me out of the stadium.

  74. vahawker says: Aug 24, 2011 1:20 PM

    so steelerfan999..you buy very expensive hotdogs, very cheap(crappy) beer, and have no manners?

  75. raiderlyfe510 says: Aug 24, 2011 1:26 PM

    @jakek2

    You’re right and how about the bengals owner won’t trade the most valuable commodity of his team,and rather he retires..when C Palmer is a poor fit for the West Coast offense anyway..a lot of these owners are buffoons.

    If the product is good people will attend games no matter the price..fact is with parity and this bozo fine-happy commissioner..the product is good enough to watch on TV..but not good enough to shell out 100 dollars for….

    TO THE OTHER BLOGGER…I go to games..I’m speaking for the average fan.

  76. fergenator says: Aug 24, 2011 1:26 PM

    @tbf22…dude get in touch with reality! It’s idiots like you that give these lame owners the belief that they can continue to charge these unreal prices.

  77. silkyjohnson937 says: Aug 24, 2011 1:26 PM

    How about not taking all the exciting plays out of football, big hits and kick returns for tds now we get to see touchbacks and penalties woohoo goodell really is a piece of work

  78. falconsfan says: Aug 24, 2011 1:29 PM

    Any team that has to cover their seats year after year with tarps needs to be moved or contracted.

    Smaller stadiums would be smart, but so would cheaper tickets. It’s mind boggling that Season Ticket Holders have to buy 2 tickets to meaningless Preseason Games at FULL PRICE. It’s also a financial obstacle for a family of 4 to go to any NFL game just based on ticket prices, let alone $20+ to park a car for a few hours.

  79. trollhammer20 says: Aug 24, 2011 1:32 PM

    The fans are content to watch from home…for now.

    Gotta wonder how they’ll be reacting when DirecTV, which has the monopoly on Sunday Ticket, decides they want to jack the price of the package to $400 or $500 per season.

    Think it won’t happen? They’re giving away the Ticket to new customers this year to jack up the subscriber base. The price of Ticket has already gone up 340 percent since 1999.

    Once they have those customers locked in to a two-year contract, they’ll jack the price up further, simply because they can. Yes, they’ll lose a few customers who will complain about the price, but they’ll more than make up for it with higher prices for those who decide to keep it. After all, it will still be far cheaper than taking a family of four to an actual game, right?

  80. jakek2 says: Aug 24, 2011 1:47 PM

    trollhammer – If Goodell keeps wussifying the game, owners keep raising prices and Direct TV keeps raising prices, eventually…the system will crumble because it won’t matter how great of a fan you are, you simply won’t be able to afford football.

    Now…in order to keep the system going, either the product must improve or costs must come down. Its Economics 101.

    The only segment of fans that could conceivably think Goodell improved the game by removing KRs, increasing ticky-tack penalties, etc. are the fantasy geeks and they DON’T attend games. They buy the Red Zone and watch highlights of all games at once. If FF’ers are somehow keeping stadiums full, I’d love to hear how that is being done because that is the only way the system will function.

  81. castleanthrax says: Aug 24, 2011 1:53 PM

    Or make it so that it doesn’t cost you $40 to park (seriously, it is a parking lot what sort of overhead is needed for a friggin parking lot?).

    The concessions are over priced and have been for god knows how long, and I don’t expect that to ever change.

    Cheaper to stay home, watch the game on tv, not have to worry about idiots (such as the security napoleons), traffic jams, drunken degenerates, etc.

    I have a blast going to one game a year, but it is certainly all I can afford and most can’t even do that.

  82. kevinfromphilly says: Aug 24, 2011 1:54 PM

    So Jerry is saying he built that stadium to make Al Michaels’ eye bug out?

  83. lexnekst says: Aug 24, 2011 2:12 PM

    I live out of market from my team, rather than watch crappy NFC West games, I started watching the games online thru streaming sites. I lived in Atlnta when Vick was playing fo rthe Falcons, and you couldn’t get tickets to the games. We’re talking about the Falcons. Bottom line is tickets are overpriced along with food & drink + it’s a recession…BUT, if you are winning, and putting a quality product on the field every week YOUR GAMES WILL SELL OUT. PERIOD.

  84. lexnekst says: Aug 24, 2011 2:19 PM

    Oh, and Netflix – F#ck you too- They raised prices, I canceled- and believe me EVERYTHING on Netflix whether DVD or Streaming can be found online, for free.

    Also, most of Netflix’s TV shows & Movies on Streaming, are also already on Comcast On Demand for free. Thats why most suck and are old.

  85. melonnhead says: Aug 24, 2011 2:22 PM

    don’t forget the 80 foot, Skeletor-tron!!

    ———————————————————————–

    It’s 152 feet, and don’t deny that you wish you had one.

  86. rolandsloan says: Aug 24, 2011 2:24 PM

    NOTHING like being at the game. Prices are out of line. Ticket prices are for people with a lot
    of $$, and most fans are middle class and have
    other priority’s these days. Noticed on team websites that tailgating is very restricted or in a couple of cases, not allowed in stadium lots, which
    means you gotta pay high concession prices if you
    want to eat on gameday. The NFL and their teams
    need to at least look like they are not trying to squeeze every last penny out of their best customers.

  87. trilbilly says: Aug 24, 2011 2:29 PM

    In light of the recent 49er fans vs Raider fans rumble, I think we can include fan safety as well as the high prices and the inconvenience of going to the game to the list of reasons why people stay home.

    Try lowering prices if you want to fill stadiums. Stop gouging patrons at the concessions stands. Offer discounts on team apparel to game attendees. Root out the drunks and trouble makers so people can bring their kids and not have them traumatized.

    By the way, what other business besides major league sports can get away with blaming it’s customer base when they decide the price just isn’t worth the product?

  88. melonnhead says: Aug 24, 2011 2:30 PM

    Give me Lambeau any day over that billion dollar dump.

    ——————————————————————

    Good luck prying your frozen ass off that aluminum bench!

  89. soaringelvis says: Aug 24, 2011 2:32 PM

    Well, until the Raideretts or the Cowgirls come prancing through my living room wearing nothing more than the cotton in to top of an aspirin bottle, then I guess that I’m going to the game…Now that’s the “stadium experience!”

    “Girls of the Fenway!”

  90. vetdana says: Aug 24, 2011 2:32 PM

    The owners can threaten to move to “Ten Buck Too”….but they are still going to get the same results….game attendance is far too EXPENSIVE ! Incomes are going DOWN…. not up ! owners are too hard headed to believe or Accept that !Their receipts are going to prove that… and as these prices keep going up[ and we know they will] more and more people are going to stay home !I haven’t been to a game in many years and don’t plan to start now! Money is just too hard to come by.

  91. tbf22 says: Aug 24, 2011 3:11 PM

    fergenator says: Aug 24, 2011 1:26 PM

    @tbf22…dude get in touch with reality! It’s idiots like you that give these lame owners the belief that they can continue to charge these unreal prices.

    ——————————————-
    HA! I need to get in touch with reality? People are willing to go to games at $300 a pop. just because your broke ass can’t afford doesn’t mean they should lower their prices just for you to go to a game.

    Its a business. if you can sell 60,000 seats at $500 a piece, you wouldn’t just start selling them at $50 a seat for no reason.

    Sure some teams have trouble selling seats. but usually it’s the noose bleeds that don’t sell. the $500 seats are always gone.

    I’m sorry if you don’t have a job and can’t afford to go to games, but that isn’t the NFLs fault your dumb butt can’t find a respectable job.

  92. jazzymegalodon says: Aug 24, 2011 4:41 PM

    Ummmmm. I know charge less than my mortgage.

  93. soaringelvis says: Aug 24, 2011 4:46 PM

    You guys all kill me with your, “I can’t believe that they charge full price for tickets to a pre-season game.” Are you really that stupid? The owners are just too lazy to do this:

    10 season tickets – 2 pre-season and 8 regular = $2,000 – $200 bucks each

    Owners say: Oh no, you’re right. I’ve got your answer to that:

    10 season tickets: 2 pre-season tickets for $50 each and 8 regular tickets for $237.50 = $2,000…Morons

    They said there would be no math!!!

  94. radrntn says: Aug 24, 2011 9:39 PM

    @dasmol says:
    Aug 24, 2011 12:44 PM

    Bandwagon fans. If you have the means, and are a true fan, you attend the games. Talent and record do not influence the attendance of real fans. And you’re the second raider fan I’ve seen try to make this lame arguement.
    _____________________________

    Dude……..i am a die hard fan, but I don’t care what you say, if the team sucks (as we have ) it is hard as hell to watch it. At least when you are at home on your couch you can change the channel. When you are there you have to endure the pain and humilation of defeat, and even worse as in my case deal with the long drive or flight. JUST WIN BABY….it will cure everything.

  95. nomoreseasontix says: Aug 24, 2011 11:57 PM

    “Bandwagon fans. If you have the means, and are a true fan, you attend the games. Talent and record do not influence the attendance of real fans. And you’re the second raider fan I’ve seen try to make this lame arguement.”
    _____________________________

    So, if you’re an idiot that’s willing to shell out hundreds of hard earned dollars to watch bad football in person, for the honor of labeling yourself a “real fan”, good on you.

    Oh… it’s spelled “argument”, by the way.

  96. buzzbissinger says: Aug 25, 2011 12:08 AM

    “Only seven percent of NFL fans have ever been inside an NFL stadium,”

    Very telling statistic. I’m sure Goodell has access to this same information, I can draw an obvious conclusion, why can’t he?

  97. buccaneersforlife says: Aug 25, 2011 8:18 AM

    Maybe the NFL needs to take a few notes on how college football can do it, filling 90k+ seats on a weekly basis. Or wait…maybe the NFL won’t admit that college football is slowly catching up to them. I got my FSU tickets, great seats, at only 40$ a pop. Those equivilant seats at the Buccaneers game would’ve been $150….hmmmm.

  98. dasmol says: Aug 25, 2011 12:24 PM

    @nomoreseasontix says:
    Aug 24, 2011 11:57 PM
    “Bandwagon fans. If you have the means, and are a true fan, you attend the games. Talent and record do not influence the attendance of real fans. And you’re the second raider fan I’ve seen try to make this lame arguement.”
    _____________________________

    So, if you’re an idiot that’s willing to shell out hundreds of hard earned dollars to watch bad football in person, for the honor of labeling yourself a “real fan”, good on you.

    Oh… it’s spelled “argument”, by the way.
    _________________________________

    No need to get your silver and black panties in a bunch raider fan. Just stating the truth. If you have the means, and you are a true fan, you attend the games. The team’s record should not be a factor. You’re a fairweather fan if you only support them when they’re winning. You’re the turd raider fan to defend your fairweatherness.

    Oh…it’s spelled “third,” btw.

    Oh, and the comma goes before the quotation mark, just in case you weren’t aware.

  99. dasmol says: Aug 25, 2011 12:38 PM

    @nomoreseasontix says:
    Aug 24, 2011 11:57 PM
    “Bandwagon fans. If you have the means, and are a true fan, you attend the games. Talent and record do not influence the attendance of real fans. And you’re the second raider fan I’ve seen try to make this lame arguement.”
    _____________________________

    So, if you’re an idiot that’s willing to shell out hundreds of hard earned dollars to watch bad football in person, for the honor of labeling yourself a “real fan”, good on you.

    Oh… it’s spelled “argument”, by the way.
    ________________________________

    You are the third raider fan to defend fairweather fandom. As I stated previously, if you have the means, and consider yourself a true fan, you attend the games. The team’s record should not be a factor, and is not a factor for true fans. Obviously, if you can’t afford to go to the games, you shouldn’t. But you can’t call yourself a true fan, if you have the means to go and don’t, based solely on the team’s recent performance.

    Oh…and the comma goes before the quotation marks, just in case you were not aware.

  100. dasmol says: Aug 25, 2011 12:52 PM

    @radrntn says:
    Aug 24, 2011 9:39 PM
    @dasmol says:
    Aug 24, 2011 12:44 PM

    Bandwagon fans. If you have the means, and are a true fan, you attend the games. Talent and record do not influence the attendance of real fans. And you’re the second raider fan I’ve seen try to make this lame arguement.
    _____________________________

    Dude……..i am a die hard fan, but I don’t care what you say, if the team sucks (as we have ) it is hard as hell to watch it. At least when you are at home on your couch you can change the channel. When you are there you have to endure the pain and humilation of defeat, and even worse as in my case deal with the long drive or flight. JUST WIN BABY….it will cure everything.
    _______________________________

    Yes, it can be hard to watch it. But if you’re a die hard fan, and support your team, you watch it. And you take the ribbing from the opposing team’s fans. That’s just the way it goes.

    Personally, I’m shocked that raider fans, of all people, would promote fairweatherness.

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