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Peyton optimistic, but Colts don’t think he’ll play Week 1

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For the first time since Jim Harbaugh started Week 17 in 1997, the Indianapolis Colts expect to have a quarterback other than Peyton Manning at the helm when they start the 2011 season.

It’s becoming increasingly clear that the Colts are preparing not to have Manning: They signed Kerry Collins today, and ESPN’s Chris Mortensen is reporting that the Colts’ top brass does not believe Manning will be ready for the regular-season opener in Houston.

However, Manning remains hopeful that he’ll be far enough along in his recovery from neck surgery that he can line up under center against the Texans. Given Manning’s track record of never missing more than one play because of injury, no one should bet against Manning if he thinks he can do it.

But there’s no question the Colts are in trouble. Signing Collins at the last minute is a stopgap measure because Curtis Painter and Dan Orlovsky have been dreadful during the preseason, and while Collins with two weeks’ preparation might be better than Painter and Orlovsky, he’s obviously nowhere near as good as Manning.

The Colts knew Manning’s neck injury was serious, and they shouldn’t have waited this long to get themselves a capable backup for the injured Manning. Now the team that has had the most reliable quarterback situation in all of football over the last decade is heading into the regular season with a huge question mark at quarterback.

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  1. jacunn2000 says: Aug 24, 2011 11:37 AM

    My money is on Manning being in game 1.

  2. thephantomstranger says: Aug 24, 2011 11:39 AM

    Should have signed Favre. He doesn’t need training camp.

  3. CKL says: Aug 24, 2011 11:39 AM

    Maybe they just wanted to see how the backups fared before trying to find another guy? Maybe PM’s prognosis took a turn for the worse recently? I can’t help but think their decision would have been speeded up had they had minicamp practices etc. to help them make the call, as well as being able to monitor firsthand PM’s recovery. Collins is still capable and should be fine as a fill in.

  4. rc33 says: Aug 24, 2011 11:41 AM

    Odd picture.
    Did he just b!tch slap his younger brother for comparing himself with Tom Brady?

  5. skoobyfl says: Aug 24, 2011 11:43 AM

    Farve will want more for one season than they paid Peyton, so it doesn’t make much sense to bother thinking about it.

  6. ny82jy says: Aug 24, 2011 11:44 AM

    This is a prime opportunity for all the teams in the AFC south!! Get off to a fast start and try to take advantage of the situation. If Manning misses a few games the Colts are in trouble. Even when he comes back it could take him weeks to get in game shape and back in the flow. Thank god for them they got Collins but hes not gonna be enough imo. That whole team revolvs around Peyton. This really could be Houstons year but somehow im sure they will find a way to not take advantage.

  7. joetoronto says: Aug 24, 2011 11:46 AM

    Pats fans will disagree, of course, but really, Peyton should have been the MVP of the league every year he’s been playing.

    No way there’s one player worth more to their team than him.

  8. richgannon says: Aug 24, 2011 11:46 AM

    This is the beginning of the end for Peyton Manning and the Colts.

  9. medtxpack says: Aug 24, 2011 11:49 AM

    @joetoronto

    if that was true, he wouldve been voted MVP that many times. i guess hes not…

  10. timtheenchanter1 says: Aug 24, 2011 11:50 AM

    “The Colts knew Manning’s neck injury was serious, and they shouldn’t have waited this long to get themselves a capable backup for the injured Manning”

    Exactly who has been taken off the market since the start of training camp that would have been better. They weren’t bringing in a guy like McNabb or Hasselbeck who expects to be THE starter and weren’t getting into it for a young guy wanting a massive contract (and requiring a king’s ransom in trade) like Kolb.

    So who did they miss out on by waiting? Tarvaris Jackson? Todd Bouman? Bruce Gradkowski? Vince Young (who, lest we forget, could not hold a starting job over Collins)?

    I think they did just fine doing it this way.

  11. stanklepoot says: Aug 24, 2011 11:53 AM

    joetoronto says: Aug 24, 2011 11:46 AM

    Pats fans will disagree, of course, but really, Peyton should have been the MVP of the league every year he’s been playing.

    No way there’s one player worth more to their team than him.
    _______________________
    I have a real problem with these kinds of arguments. You don’t name someone the LEAGUE MVP (not team MVP) simply because their backup is horrible.

    As for whether or not Peyton can make it back for the opener, I have no clue but I do know that this is a different kind of injury. It’s not like the bursa sac injury Peyton had where he can play if he’s not 100%. he needs to be fully healed before he can play this time around. We’re talking about nerve damage here, which means we’re also talking about Peyton having full feel and use of his throwing arm/shoulder.

  12. lildon96 says: Aug 24, 2011 11:53 AM

    I hope he’s ready for week one of the Oreo licking games!

  13. justwinbaby29 says: Aug 24, 2011 11:53 AM

    Maybe I missed it but why did Manning have the surgery in May? Shouldn’t he have had it in mid. January once the Colts were eliminated?

    Unless it just happened (neck pain) in May.

    I still think he’ll play in week one.

  14. tformation says: Aug 24, 2011 11:54 AM

    Damn… Jim Harbaugh, now coach of the 49ers, was the last starting QB for the Colts? That’s crazy.

    Get better Peyton. Go for Brett’s record.

  15. rpiotr01 says: Aug 24, 2011 11:55 AM

    He’ll be in there.

  16. touchdownroddywhite says: Aug 24, 2011 11:56 AM

    Manning starts week 1. He’s too arrogant of a man not to. Mark it down.

  17. paulsdamnblog says: Aug 24, 2011 11:57 AM

    Hate to see and say that this is really the begininng of the end for Peyton Manning, but… So if you’re the Colts do you think about taking a run at a QB in the 2012 draft? There should be some very good talent available.

  18. alaricsrevenge says: Aug 24, 2011 11:59 AM

    Either way, he should’ve kept the Bro-stache

  19. wikidpissah says: Aug 24, 2011 12:01 PM

    joetoronto says: Aug 24, 2011 11:46 AM

    Pats fans will disagree, of course, but really, Peyton should have been the MVP of the league every year he’s been playing.

    No way there’s one player worth more to their team than him.

    _______________________________

    As proven by his (and the Colts’) annual playoff disappearance.

  20. cincydirt says: Aug 24, 2011 12:07 PM

    Palmer hasnt retired yet. The Colts should’ve talked to Mike Brown. I am certain he would have listened.

  21. joetoronto says: Aug 24, 2011 12:13 PM

    wikidpissah says: Aug 24, 2011 12:01 PM

    joetoronto says: Aug 24, 2011 11:46 AM

    Pats fans will disagree, of course, but really, Peyton should have been the MVP of the league every year he’s been playing.

    No way there’s one player worth more to their team than him.

    _______________________________

    As proven by his (and the Colts’) annual playoff disappearance.
    ************************************************
    From memory, the Colts have been to the playoffs 9 straight years. The next closest team is at 3 years.

    Do you think maybe Manning has something to do with that, like ALL of that?

  22. adx321 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:15 PM

    cincydirt

    You think Carson Palmer would have had the same salary cap hit that Collins will have?

    You guys in Cincy really are dumb lol

  23. eaglesfan290 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:15 PM

    Colts should have waited to do a long term deal with Peyton!

  24. zbigern says: Aug 24, 2011 12:17 PM

    The Colts were irresponsible for not seeing this coming but if I were in their/their fans shoes I wouldnt sweat it. Consider this the game they throw away every year but this time its the first game of the season instead of the last.

  25. mandito85 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:17 PM

    Anyone is better than Painter as back-up to Manning!!!

  26. adx321 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:17 PM

    wikidpissah

    Remember when that joke was funny (when your Pats didn’t lose playoff games routinely)

    I’d not take shots at anyone about sucking in the playoffs if I were you.

    The phone is ringing… it’s not 2001-2004, but it IS for you.

  27. adx321 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:19 PM

    justwinbaby29

    They were trying to rehab it naturally to prevent the need for surgery but it did not progress as they hoped.

    The neck injury happened on a vicious low/high sandwich hit against the Skins several years back when Manning’s helmet got knocked off and his face shoved into the turf so hard he had the little black rubber bb’s stuck in his forehead (lol lots of space there)

  28. Little Earthquake says: Aug 24, 2011 12:23 PM

    Paging Paul Justin…

  29. wallyballz says: Aug 24, 2011 12:28 PM

    Not so much here, or here, but right here….

  30. cleanslaton says: Aug 24, 2011 12:28 PM

    Peyton better miss week 1 or Wade Phillips will blitz his surgically repaired neck into a fine powder [The Texans defense has 11 sacks, 5 fumbles & 1 int in just 2 pre-season games]. I know it’s just pre-season stats–but this is NOT the same feeble, weak Texans defense that chokes away games. Everyone is sleeping on the Texans because they always choke away opportunities, when really–the majority of the Texans schedule has been against a consistently good AFC South for the franchise’s entire existence. This is a weaker year for the rest of the division & a stronger year for the Texans. Peyton has shredded our defense too many times to not be happy about him potentially missing the first game. Peyton–glad you might not play out of respect, but if you do play–I wanna see Mario rip your head off. Go Texans.

  31. scoops1 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:31 PM

    Quick…someone call Jeff George….

    pretty sure he still knows the Colts Offense

  32. ammarradhi says: Aug 24, 2011 12:32 PM

    Maybe 3 Colts players should board a plane and go down to convince Favre to play!

  33. rockymtnphinfan says: Aug 24, 2011 12:34 PM

    Whats up chicken little? Is the sky fallin?

  34. 3octaveFart says: Aug 24, 2011 12:34 PM

    They’re going to let Manning take the first snap just to keep his streak going….

  35. lpd1964 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:36 PM

    “The Colts knew Manning’s neck injury was serious, and they shouldn’t have waited this long to get themselves a capable backup for the injured Manning”

    Exactly who has been taken off the market since the start of training camp that would have been better. They weren’t bringing in a guy like McNabb or Hasselbeck who expects to be THE starter and weren’t getting into it for a young guy wanting a massive contract (and requiring a king’s ransom in trade) like Kolb.

    So who did they miss out on by waiting? Tarvaris Jackson? Todd Bouman? Bruce Gradkowski? Vince Young (who, lest we forget, could not hold a starting job over Collins)?

    I think they did just fine doing it this way.

    Really?? Any of the above is an upgrade over the law firm of Painter/Orlovsky. If they acted sooner, at least one of the guys would have more preparation than Collins. Good Luck Kerry!!

  36. radrntn says: Aug 24, 2011 12:40 PM

    odds are he is playing game 1

  37. willjasper says: Aug 24, 2011 12:45 PM

    Can anyone envision the Colts finishing better than 3-13 if Manning misses any appreciable time? They have no running game and an aging, undersized defense.

  38. threedeep1998 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:53 PM

    god you could put a good caption on that picture of Manning. Why not go for Culpepper?

  39. adx321 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:58 PM

    cleanslaton

    I’m sure you do wanna see Mario rip Peytons head off… after all that was the reason he was drafted.

    But after all these years he’s done very little to help your Texans secure a playoff spot especially against the Colts.

    You beat Indy week1 last year and where did that get you?

  40. ryanmallettsbluntwrap says: Aug 24, 2011 1:00 PM

    Like this if you think he will start , dislike if you do not think he will start. My vote is that there is no doubt he will start . Brady ” He’ll be playing ” .

  41. glac1 says: Aug 24, 2011 1:04 PM

    Even if he starts week 1, he’ll never hold up for a 16 game schedule. One awkward hit and it will be over for him. The question is not IF but WHEN he will be sidelined.

  42. cowboyhater says: Aug 24, 2011 1:12 PM

    I have 2 herniated disks in my neck, and there is no way Manning will survive this season. I predict he will have to retire by the second game he plays. He is really taking a risk with his neck, and I’m not sure who is advising him to continue to play. Payton, I know you think you owe it to your fans, and owner but you also owe it to your family. Retire before it’s too late.

  43. fran021 says: Aug 24, 2011 1:12 PM

    Manning has been quoted as saying he was waiting for the team trainer to start PT. Stupid fool. His own damn fault. He should be fined by the team if he can’t start.

  44. adx321 says: Aug 24, 2011 1:12 PM

    glac1 says:
    Even if he starts week 1, he’ll never hold up for a 16 game schedule. One awkward hit and it will be over for him. The question is not IF but WHEN he will be sidelined.

    Really? Do you have actual medical information related to the case? Is that you Marcus Welby MD or are you Dr. James Andrews?

    And it does make a lot of sense to question the ability to play 16 games by a guy who’s never missed a game due to injury.

    Your logic is as spot on as your medical knowledge.

  45. adx321 says: Aug 24, 2011 1:16 PM

    It’s comical people are convinced of so many things when nobody knows for sure.

    These same idiots thought Peyton was going to miss games due to his infected bursa sac

    Does anyone actually think he’s going to not at least START to keep the streak alive?

    You guys must have all kept thinking Ripken was gonna miss a game here or there too :)

  46. adx321 says: Aug 24, 2011 1:19 PM

    cowboyhater says:
    Aug 24, 2011 1:12 PM
    I have 2 herniated disks in my neck, and there is no way Manning will survive this season. I predict he will have to retire by the second game he plays. He is really taking a risk with his neck, and I’m not sure who is advising him to continue to play. Payton, I know you think you owe it to your fans, and owner but you also owe it to your family. Retire before it’s too late.

    Well hmm

    1) he doesn’t have any herniated discs

    2) It’s Peyton… even says so in the article.

    3) Yes he should absolutely take career advice from you because you’ve had a totally different neck injury and clearly understand his predicament.

    It’s sad your nfl qb career was cut short due to this but we are all thankful for your brilliant insight.

  47. bucsfan5000 says: Aug 24, 2011 1:23 PM

    Colts will miss the playoffs. The Super Bowl is in Indianapolis and no team has played in the Super Bowl in their own stadium, and that streak will continue.

    Frank Caliendo, impersonating Jay Leno last year: “The Super Bowl is in Dallas this year, you know what that means? The Cowboys won’t have to drive too far if they want to see the game!”

    Impersonating Charles Barkley: “The only thing the Cowboys will be doing at the Super Bowl is showing the two teams where the locker rooms are…if they can find them.”

  48. Bubby Brister says: Aug 24, 2011 1:25 PM

    So what’s the situation with the PUP list? Can they take him off of it once the preseason is over and still let him sit out like a regular player with an injury? Or does he have to stay on it until he actually practices/plays? Because if he’s on the PUP list come Week 1, he’s on it until Week 7…

  49. Bubby Brister says: Aug 24, 2011 1:29 PM

    “It’s comical people are convinced of so many things when nobody knows for sure.

    These same idiots thought Peyton was going to miss games due to his infected bursa sac

    Does anyone actually think he’s going to not at least START to keep the streak alive?

    You guys must have all kept thinking Ripken was gonna miss a game here or there too :)

    ——————————————

    One thing Peyton also has going for him is he’s extremely intelligent. He’s not Brett Favre, who has an IQ that matches his jersey number. If it’s serious enough that he’ll risk ending his career by playing, he’s not going to risk it just for a dumb streak.

  50. wikidpissah says: Aug 24, 2011 1:40 PM

    joetoronto says: Aug 24, 2011 12:13 PM

    wikidpissah says: Aug 24, 2011 12:01 PM

    joetoronto says: Aug 24, 2011 11:46 AM

    Pats fans will disagree, of course, but really, Peyton should have been the MVP of the league every year he’s been playing.

    No way there’s one player worth more to their team than him.

    _______________________________

    As proven by his (and the Colts’) annual playoff disappearance.
    ************************************************
    From memory, the Colts have been to the playoffs 9 straight years. The next closest team is at 3 years.

    Do you think maybe Manning has something to do with that, like ALL of that?

    ==================================

    Of course he did, that was my point. But he was also a major reason for their under performing .500 record once they get there, and the frequent “one and dones.”

    People like to blame the Colts’ defense, or say that the team around him wasn’t that great, but they were good enough to make the playoffs 9 straight, frequently as the top seed. HIS stats drop dramatically in the post season.

    The only QB in my memory who took an inferior team further than they deserved every year was Elway; who got better as the games got bigger.

  51. depotnator says: Aug 24, 2011 1:41 PM

    Time for the Polians to be shown the door. And Irsay to stop smokin’ whatever it is he is smokin’. The Colts are fast becoming one of the worst managed teams in the NFL – right down to the coach.

  52. drasarp says: Aug 24, 2011 1:47 PM

    Peyton needs a wife or significant other to talk some sense into his head. He has no business playing football with the neck sugery he has had. What can he be thinking? What can his doctors be thinking? What can his parents be thinking. What can the Colt’s organization be thinking? Are they all so record fixated and money hungry that they can’t foresee the irreparable damage Peyton could suffer? Someone needs to tell him his playing days are over.

    Welcome Coach Manning.

  53. indywilson40 says: Aug 24, 2011 1:51 PM

    Wickedpissah, ZERO rings post-spygate. Last 2 regular seasons, Pats are 16-0 at home, o-2 at home in playoffs. Somebody either lost their clutch gene or their eye in the sky, or both.

  54. lexnekst says: Aug 24, 2011 1:51 PM

    Enough with Favre talk already. He doesn’t need training camp? He was awful last year. The last few times he made it into the playoffs, he’s ended each game the same way- PICKED OFF. Brett Favre was alright back in the mid 90′s, he sucks now, and is old. Let it go.

  55. lexnekst says: Aug 24, 2011 1:53 PM

    Maybe the Colts should try and get Vince Young from the Eagles- he’s familiar with playing all the AFC South teams, has to be better than Painter & Whoevsky- but ironically Kerry Collins stands in his way…again.

  56. lexnekst says: Aug 24, 2011 1:55 PM

    The Colts are now, what Atlanta was exposed to be the year Vick went to prison. Take Manning away, and it becomes crystal clear there was no backup plan, the front office has gotten lazy and relied on only Manning for far too long.

  57. lexnekst says: Aug 24, 2011 2:00 PM

    I have 2 herniated disks in my neck, and there is no way Manning will survive this season. I predict he will have to retire by the second game he plays. He is really taking a risk with his neck, and I’m not sure who is advising him to continue to play. Payton, I know you think you owe it to your fans, and owner but you also owe it to your family. Retire before it’s too late.

    Thats you, you’re not exactly conditioned like a pro athlete. Vick had broken ribs, only missed 2 games and came back. Doctors said he’s need at least a month. Terrell Owens broken leg? Sound familiar. Not saying Mnning will play. Just saying anything is possible.

  58. fringetastic says: Aug 24, 2011 2:00 PM

    If Peyton misses the game, will Favre pop the cork on a bottle of champagne (or even just a bottle of beer) in celebration that his record is safe, a la the ’72 Dolphins?

  59. wikidpissah says: Aug 24, 2011 2:00 PM

    adx321 says: Aug 24, 2011 12:17 PM

    wikidpissah

    Remember when that joke was funny (when your Pats didn’t lose playoff games routinely)

    I’d not take shots at anyone about sucking in the playoffs if I were you.

    The phone is ringing… it’s not 2001-2004, but it IS for you.

    ================================================

    I agree, the biggest lament Pats’ fans have over the past few years is that they’ve morph’d into the Colts. BB has restructured the defense in hopes of getting back to the defense first mentality that wins most years, we’ll see if he’s successful.

    Remember this though, Tom Brady had three chances late in Super Bowls when behind or tied. He led the Patriots to a score all three times. (They lost to the Giants because the defense couldn’t hold for the last two minutes, see above). Peyton Manning got his chance to bring the Colts back for a win against the Saints and threw a pick-6.

    Thanks for calling.

  60. wikidpissah says: Aug 24, 2011 2:08 PM

    indywilson40 says: Aug 24, 2011 1:51 PM

    Wickedpissah, ZERO rings post-spygate. Last 2 regular seasons, Pats are 16-0 at home, o-2 at home in playoffs. Somebody either lost their clutch gene or their eye in the sky, or both.

    ===================================

    Playoffs:

    Brady 10-3
    Manning 9-10

  61. indywilson40 says: Aug 24, 2011 2:24 PM

    Brady led a couple of short drives for field goals, and then left it on the foot of the most clutch kicker in NFL history.

  62. electstat says: Aug 24, 2011 2:25 PM

    There are a lot of things that should have been done differently by both Manning and the Colts…especially with the Super Bowl being a home game.

  63. NFLJunkie says: Aug 24, 2011 2:29 PM

    @Bubby Brister:

    So what’s the situation with the PUP list? Can they take him off of it once the preseason is over and still let him sit out like a regular player with an injury? Or does he have to stay on it until he actually practices/plays? Because if he’s on the PUP list come Week 1, he’s on it until Week 7…

    I think in training camp there is the concept of the “Active/PUP”, which a player can be moved off of at any time during preseason (counts against the training camp roster limit). I think you also have to be on the active/PUP throughout the preseason to even be eligible to be designated Reserved/PUP (does not count against the 53-man roster, player is automatically out a minimum of 6 weeks) once final cuts are made.

    Guessing Manning must be active/PUP right now, but I doubt they would even consider moving him to Reserved/PUP unless the situation is dire. More likely he’d simply be included in the 53, then be on their weekly game day inactive list until he’s ready to play.

  64. wikidpissah says: Aug 24, 2011 2:32 PM

    indywilson40 says: Aug 24, 2011 2:24 PM

    Brady led a couple of short drives for field goals, and then left it on the foot of the most clutch kicker in NFL history.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And Manning threw a touchdown pass…… to a Saint.

  65. cdsaints says: Aug 24, 2011 2:43 PM

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And Manning threw a touchdown pass…… to a Saint.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yep, he fulfilled a life long dream of his father’s…

  66. adx321 says: Aug 24, 2011 2:44 PM

    Wikidpissah

    Manning never had the luxury of

    a) knowing the defensive plays beforehand due to illegal videotaping (How many bowls you guys have without it?)

    b) needing to move his team a whopping 35 years for a game winning FG.

    Not that you morons ever wanna actually consider facts but had the Colts scored on that drive the Saints would have had about 90 seconds and needed just a FG to win it as time expired. You really think that was NOT going to happen? The Saints were going to win that game pick 6 or not.

    It was their year.

    Brady is a playoff choker on a yearly basis now.

    Absorb that.

    Signed,

    Every Member of the Ravens he threw a pick to 2 years ago in the playoff… extra long document due to how many that actually was.

  67. tiffpats4eva says: Aug 24, 2011 2:53 PM

    joetoronto says:
    Aug 24, 2011 11:46 AM
    Pats fans will disagree, of course, but really, Peyton should have been the MVP of the league every year he’s been playing.

    No way there’s one player worth more to their team than him.
    **********************************

    It wasn’t Pats fans who gave Brady 100% of the votes for MVP last season.

    OOPS!

  68. tiffpats4eva says: Aug 24, 2011 2:54 PM

    wikidpissah says:
    Aug 24, 2011 2:32 PM
    indywilson40 says: Aug 24, 2011 2:24 PM

    Brady led a couple of short drives for field goals, and then left it on the foot of the most clutch kicker in NFL history.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And Manning threw a touchdown pass…… to a Saint.
    *************************

    Thumbs up just isn’t enough. This was brilliant.

  69. tiffpats4eva says: Aug 24, 2011 2:56 PM

    indywilson40 says:
    Aug 24, 2011 1:51 PM
    Wickedpissah, ZERO rings post-spygate. Last 2 regular seasons, Pats are 16-0 at home, o-2 at home in playoffs. Somebody either lost their clutch gene or their eye in the sky, or both.
    *********************

    Peyton beat Rex Grossman in the Super Bowl.

    Game. Set. Match.

  70. Spencer says: Aug 24, 2011 2:58 PM

    Better to hold him out a couple weeks and let him heal up properly than risk compounding the injury. That said, Manning is getting old, and the window is closing…

  71. tiffpats4eva says: Aug 24, 2011 3:03 PM

    ammarradhi says:
    Aug 24, 2011 12:32 PM
    Maybe 3 Colts players should board a plane and go down to convince Favre to play!
    ********************

    Oh, I hope so. McCourty would love another 4 or 5 picks.

  72. 1historian says: Aug 24, 2011 3:06 PM

    A lot of you have remarked that this shows that Peyton is worth more to his team than Tom Brady.

    Right.

    So what?

    18 days until the season starts, the colts are desperate, they sign Collins. Pats – if Brady goes down Hoyer steps in and Mallett is backup.

    Q: Would Brady be who he is without Belichik?
    A: Probably not

    Q: Would Belichik be who he is without Brady?
    A: Probably not.

    Q: So what?

    Q: Do you think Manning would like to play for the Patriots?
    A: Duhhh

    Q: Do you think Brady would like to play for the colts?
    A: Duhhhh

    Manning is going downhill because he is all the colts have. In terms of pure talent he is probably better than Brady, but so what?

  73. FinFan68 says: Aug 24, 2011 3:07 PM

    It would not surprise me if he started, handed the ball off a few times, threw a quick screen and then sat the rest of the game. Streak continues, little chance of getting hurt.

  74. aboveaveragejoe11 says: Aug 24, 2011 3:07 PM

    I’ve started to wonder over the past couple of years what the end of Peyton’s career might look like. Would he play out his last contract and leave gracefully on his own terms, or would he have to be pushed out like so many aging players? Will the Colts groom his successor while Manning is still playing? One thing is sure, the Colts have been blindly devoted to #18 and in turn he has covered up for a lot of weaknesses in the Colts organization, both on and off the field. With this neck injury, the Colts’ lack of foresight is being exposed. There were so many better backup QB options than Painter and Orlovsky, with Colts management seemingly proud to stake claim to not only the worst QB in the league, but the TWO worst QB’s in the league.

    Whatever the end will look like, I get the feeling the end is approaching much faster than we or the Colts think.

  75. indywilson40 says: Aug 24, 2011 3:11 PM

    You just want forget Spygate ever happened , but you can’t. Brady is 2-3 post-Spygate. I wonder what Manning would have done all those years with a great defense, a clutch kicker ,and a CHEATING eye in the sky. Bottom line: teams with great defenses and illegal cameras win championships.

  76. mornelithe says: Aug 24, 2011 3:15 PM

    On the main NFL page, I swear it looks like he’s eating a lemon.

  77. indywilson40 says: Aug 24, 2011 3:17 PM

    tiffspats4eva, Rex Grossman doesn’t play defense. But he did QB a team that went 15-3 and hammered the Saints in the NFC Championship. BTW, Peyton beat Brady twice that year. OWNED.

  78. gacoltfan says: Aug 24, 2011 3:35 PM

    Of course he did, that was my point. But he was also a major reason for their under performing .500 record once they get there, and the frequent “one and dones.”

    People like to blame the Colts’ defense, or say that the team around him wasn’t that great, but they were good enough to make the playoffs 9 straight, frequently as the top seed. HIS stats drop dramatically in the post season.

    *******************************************
    Of course his stats are down in the playoffs. Typically playoff teams have better defenses. So lets look at both Brady and Manning’s regular season and playoff stats. Both go down and about the same. Fact is they are both great QB’s. Any fan of the other team that denies it are just idiots, and any fan of other teams that badmouth these two are obviously jealous. Overall Brady has been on better teams, particularly 2001 – 2004, and has a better coach.

    Regular season
    Comp % TD Int Pass Rtg

    Manning 64.9 399 198 94.9
    Brady 63.6 261 103 95.2

    Playoffs

    Manning 63.1 29 19 88.4
    Brady 62.2 30 16 85.7

  79. wikidpissah says: Aug 24, 2011 3:37 PM

    adx321 says: Aug 24, 2011 2:44 PM

    Wikidpissah

    Manning never had the luxury of

    a) knowing the defensive plays beforehand due to illegal videotaping (How many bowls you guys have without it?)

    b) needing to move his team a whopping 35 years for a game winning FG.

    Not that you morons ever wanna actually consider facts but had the Colts scored on that drive the Saints would have had about 90 seconds and needed just a FG to win it as time expired. You really think that was NOT going to happen? The Saints were going to win that game pick 6 or not.

    It was their year.

    Brady is a playoff choker on a yearly basis now.

    Absorb that.

    Signed,

    Every Member of the Ravens he threw a pick to 2 years ago in the playoff… extra long document due to how many that actually was.

    =======================================================================

    You do realize that “Spygate” was a Patriots’ assistant, on the opponent’s sideline, videotaping the 2-3 coaches who were giving the signals, in plain sight, right? And you also realize that the penalty the Patriots received was not because it gave a competitive advantage, but because BB continued the practice after being told to stop. There was no “secret” taping. If teams used the same signals in the games that followed,… well, who’s the moron?

    They needed 35 and Brady got them 35, twice. None of his passes to get those 35 wound up in the hands of a defender.

    So, Manning threw that pick because it was the Saints’ year, and they’d have scored anyway? You get credit for this; I thought I heard every possible alibi for Manning’s habit of throwing up on his shoes in the playoffs. Well done.

    I’m not sure I’d use the term “choker” but Brady has been less than great in his last two playoff appearances. (See? The world doesn’t end if you admit the truth.)

    There were actually three Ravens’ picks. One less than Manning through against the Pats in the 2004 AFC Championship Game. Of course, Manning did save signature space since he threw three of them to Ty Law.

    For the record, the QB I compared Manning to in my original post was John Elway.

  80. wikidpissah says: Aug 24, 2011 3:43 PM

    indywilson40 says: Aug 24, 2011 3:11 PM

    You just want forget Spygate ever happened , but you can’t. Brady is 2-3 post-Spygate. I wonder what Manning would have done all those years with a great defense, a clutch kicker ,and a CHEATING eye in the sky. Bottom line: teams with great defenses and illegal cameras win championships.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Patriots beat the Colts 20-3 and 24-14 because the Colts didn’t have a great defense? The great Peyton couldn’t score more than 3, or 14?

    For the record, Manning had THAT clutch kicker for the past 5 years. He just didn’t put him in position to actually attempt one of those game winning kicks that were so simple for Brady.

  81. indywilson40 says: Aug 24, 2011 3:53 PM

    Wrong! For the record, Manning won a Super Bowl with that clutch kicker. Maybe you didn’t hear. Spygate is not going away. It a huge elephant in the room. Sorry, truth hurts.

  82. indywilson40 says: Aug 24, 2011 4:02 PM

    You’re version of Spygate is complete and utter bull$hit. If no advantage was gained, then why did Belicheat do it for seven years. Justify it any way you want to, they cheated. Hence, *2001, *2003, *2004.

    *Cheated

  83. gacoltfan says: Aug 24, 2011 4:04 PM

    Sure, getting another teams signals and what defense they are in or plays they run gives no competitive advantage.

    It was an assistant coach, this is the argument, really!! You really think the assistant coach did it without BB’s knowledge. I thought it was the “Patriot way” act and do as Belichick says. He has complete control of all players and coaches in every other way, except this one thing that an assistant coach did on his own. Hmmm.

  84. wikidpissah says: Aug 24, 2011 4:07 PM

    Read what I wrote; Manning has not put him in a position for one of those clutch kicks. And I think the Colts won the Super Bowl that year…. Oh yeah, when there’s a win, Manning won, but when it’s a loss, it’s the Colts.

  85. brintfatre says: Aug 24, 2011 4:23 PM

    He’s scared of the Texans defense!

  86. whatwouldlombardido says: Aug 24, 2011 4:23 PM

    Stick a fork in him, he’s done.

  87. wikidpissah says: Aug 24, 2011 4:24 PM

    gacoltfan, this time I’ll try and explain so even you can understand:

    It was a Pats assistant, not an assistant coach, who did the videotaping. Of course it was at BB’s direction. Did you read what I wrote?

    “that the penalty the Patriots received was not because it gave a competitive advantage, but because BB continued the practice after being told to stop.”

    The video taping was done in front of the defensive assistant coaches. All teams had 2-3 assistants giving defensive signals so that the opposition won’t know which coach is giving the actual signal. It only happened in games that the Patriots played in. Therefore my point was that if a team used the same signals in following games, having seen a Patriots assistant with a camera trained on them in the previous game, well, let’s just say they weren’t all that bright.

  88. cowboyhater says: Aug 24, 2011 4:32 PM

    Your obviously a colts fan. As for neck injuries, if they require a surgical procedure, it’s only due to a cervical injury that involves your disks supporting your vertebra. I’m sure they had to place a plate to support his vertebra, and so now he has to wait for it fuse before he can come back to play. Listen colts fan, if you require surgery to your neck, then it’s serious. You can’t believe everything you read. Thanks for caring about my nfl career being cut short due to injury. I’m happy that you care.

    adx321 says: Aug 24, 2011 1:19 PM

    cowboyhater says:
    Aug 24, 2011 1:12 PM
    I have 2 herniated disks in my neck, and there is no way Manning will survive this season. I predict he will have to retire by the second game he plays. He is really taking a risk with his neck, and I’m not sure who is advising him to continue to play. Payton, I know you think you owe it to your fans, and owner but you also owe it to your family. Retire before it’s too late.

    Well hmm

    1) he doesn’t have any herniated discs

    2) It’s Peyton… even says so in the article.

    3) Yes he should absolutely take career advice from you because you’ve had a totally different neck injury and clearly understand his predicament.

    It’s sad your nfl qb career was cut short due to this but we are all thankful for your brilliant insight.

  89. wikidpissah says: Aug 24, 2011 4:33 PM

    indywilson40 says: Aug 24, 2011 4:02 PM

    You’re version of Spygate is complete and utter bull$hit. If no advantage was gained, then why did Belicheat do it for seven years. Justify it any way you want to, they cheated. Hence, *2001, *2003, *2004.

    *Cheated

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Please tell me which part of my explanation is inaccurate.

    If they did for 7 years, why did they only win 3? And why in those 3 was it the defense that dominated?

    All teams look for a competitive advantage. Is playing extra crowd noise over the loudspeakers when the opposing teams’ offense is on the field (as the Colts were proven to have done) legitimate?

  90. tiffpats4eva says: Aug 24, 2011 5:23 PM

    Colts fans conveniently forget about Indy pipping in crowd nose.

    That’s actually cheating.

  91. tiffpats4eva says: Aug 24, 2011 6:18 PM

    S/B noise, not nose. Pipping in crowd nose wouldn’t have been cheating.

  92. gacoltfan says: Aug 24, 2011 8:32 PM

    Please tell me which part of my explanation is inaccurate.

    The first thing that is not accurate is your statement that they were only fined because they continued to do it after being told not to. What actually happened was every team was sent a memo reminding them it was against the NFL Constitution and By-laws to videotape, based on rumors the Patriots were doing it. They never stopped, then Mangini turned them in when he went to the Jets.

    They were fined the maximum amount allowable ($500,000) and had to give up a 1st round pick. You really think they would get that punishment if it was no big deal, as you are insinuating?

    You really think the NFL would publicly come out and say the Patriots cheated which gave them an unfair advantage to help them win 3 Super Bowls? They do have a brand to protect and saying a team cheated to win Super Bowls which severely damage the image of the league. Everyone except Patriot fans realize that giving that type of punishment the NFL is acknowledging the Patriots cheated and it is an unfair advantage.

  93. wikidpissah says: Aug 24, 2011 10:00 PM

    re: gacoltfan says: Aug 24, 2011 8:32 PM

    Hmmm… Your first paragraph makes a statement, then goes on to explain that the Patriots were fined because they never stopped, which was my point.

    It WAS a big deal, because BB openly and without hiding it, ignored the Commissioner’s order, hence the maximum fine and penalty.

    If the intent was to cheat, they’d have been filming from a place where nobody would see them, which could easily be done.

    Teams had 2-3 coaches sending in defensive signals on each play. They changed signals from quarter to quarter. In order to use the information to their advantage, the Patriots would have to know which coach was sending the real signals, which set of signals was being used, decipher the call, and get it in to the Offensive coordinator, who could either change the offensive play or relay the defensive play to the QB, who could audible a change prior to the snap. Good luck with that.

    Consider that the Patriots’ offense and Brady’s statistics have been historic AFTER Spygate, but not before.

    Before Spygate it was Bill Polian on the Competition Committee changing the point of emphasis so that the mean old Patriots couldn’t be so physical with Colt receivers.

    Manning didn’t throw 4 interceptions and fail to score more than 3 points because BB knew their defensive play calls.

    The Pats have fallen short the past few years, but you don’t hear them or their fans whining and making excuses; they regroup and work for the next year.

    The Colts are the NFL’s version of the 1990′s Atlanta Braves. Great regular seasons year after year, but a single championship.

  94. goatpudding says: Aug 25, 2011 8:05 AM

    (ESPN) Mortensen: “Colts sources told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen that although Manning is making some progress since having neck surgery and has maintained optimism, the team’s hierarchy does not believe he will be ready when Indianapolis opens the season September 11 at Houston.”

    Mort, like everyone else, is talking to the same people over and over concerning Manning’s availability and 10 different people can easily read 10 different things into any or all of it. If you thinking Manning might be out, then you’ll hear that he is out from sources. If you are thinking he’ll be behind center just like always, then you’ll hear cautioned affirmation of that. With Irsay tweeting 24/7 about everything from his favorite ice cream to the meaning behind The Doors lyrics to the song The End, it’s no wonder that wondering about Manning has become a carnival of quotes from pseudo “sources”. Then PFT reads that vague blurb and runs it as an absolute.

    Just wait and see, already. The man hasn’t missed a start since before some of your children now eligible to drive were even born.

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