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Packers: Lambeau expansion will cost taxpayers nothing

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When the Packers announced today that they’re adding seats to Lambeau Field, they made a point of noting that the project won’t cost anything for taxpayers.

Instead, the expansion of the south end zone seating area, which will add about 6,600 seats beginning with the 2013 season, will be paid for with loans and possibly a stock sale. The Packers see the expansion as a sound long-term investment, since they’ll bring in an estimated $11 million a year in increased revenue when they can sell 6,600 more tickets per game.

We’re really investing in Lambeau Field and building on the successful renovation of 2003,” Packers President/CEO Mark Murphy said. “This will help keep the stadium up to date in terms of amenities that we see in the newer stadiums. For us to remain competitive, we need to continue to grow local revenue, and this will help us.”

The additional seats will increase Lambeau Field’s capacity to more than 79,000. The stadium is currently the 11th biggest in the NFL, but the expansion is projected to make it the fourth biggest.

Current season-ticket holders who would prefer the new seating in the south end zone will get first priority to sit there, if they want to leave their current seats. People on the season-ticket waiting list will then get the chance to either buy south end zone seats or the seats given up by current season-ticket holders who move to the south end zone.

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  1. medtxpack says: Aug 25, 2011 12:01 PM

    another solid move by a solid franchise…

  2. porkchopexpress1969 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:02 PM

    Hate the Packers, but this is a prime example on how a stadium should be ran..

  3. intenseg says: Aug 25, 2011 12:02 PM

    I’m not a Packers fan but I have to say that’s the right way to do things.

  4. skoobyfl says: Aug 25, 2011 12:02 PM

    Nice, more beers & bratwurst sales as well.

  5. nineroutsider says: Aug 25, 2011 12:03 PM

    All teams should operate like the Packers. Public money can no longer be used for pro sports and that’s the way it should be. Packers have the best ownership in football because it models American business and not some foreign monarchy.

  6. granadafan says: Aug 25, 2011 12:03 PM

    To all other NFL owners including any potential new owners, please read this story carefully. It’s ridiculous that taxpayers are often blackmailed into paying for the workplaces of billionaires. We don’t pay for the building of say, a bank, or investment firms which employ thousands. Nor should we pay for sports buildings which are used once per week. The majority of the “jobs created” would be part time and only for a few hours. Ridiculous.

  7. tomsd1 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:06 PM

    Now that’s the way to do it – rather than running to the Public Troughs and trying to justify a big handout.

  8. sevensixtwonato says: Aug 25, 2011 12:07 PM

    I have always wanted to see a game there…this should make it easier to do so….good for them.

  9. fthrvic says: Aug 25, 2011 12:09 PM

    As it shouldn’t since it’s an investor supported franchise with publically traded stock.

  10. dasportsninja says: Aug 25, 2011 12:10 PM

    The Packers are the Model for a well run organization in a small market. The Bills should be taking notes.

  11. claymath52 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:12 PM

    Feel free to make fun of RUBE fans that make dumb comments, but this is where the Packers (insert mine, ours) Franchise excels.

  12. achap39 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:13 PM

    Not using public money to improve a stadium? What a novel concept!

  13. clintonportisheadd says: Aug 25, 2011 12:14 PM

    How refreshing it is to see a team pay for it’s own stadium expansion. It’s such a difference than those other teams that use threats to move in order to extort local governments to foot the bill.

    As if folks needed another reason to cheer for the Packers-truly “America’s Team”.

  14. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Aug 25, 2011 12:18 PM

    What a perfect day. Beautiful, bright sunny weather. We’re still the champions and now an additional 6,000+ lucky folks will get to watch our march to Indy! It’s a good day to be a Packer fan!

    How’s your new stadium coming, vikes?

  15. bjorntorock says: Aug 25, 2011 12:19 PM

    the rich just keep getting richer…another solid move by the pack

  16. dlindstedt2 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:19 PM

    My only problem with this is that those 6,600 tickets should be given to the general public. Not season ticket holders.

    It is so hard to get tickets to Packer games. They are always sold out. And if you find a dealer, they charge you more then the face.

    They should have said, if the season ticket holders want those seats, they give their current seats up and the 6,600 new available seats will be strictly for the general public.

    But hey, it is what it is. And my beef isn’t that big. It is still a solid move.

  17. packfannchitown says: Aug 25, 2011 12:21 PM

    Very sound business plan.

    I’ll be sure to buy some stock should they be made available. GO PACK!

  18. suckittrebek76 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:21 PM

    They don’t need public tax dollars for renovation. They have rube fans that will pay $500 for “ownership” of the team. What a scam.

  19. buhbay1c says: Aug 25, 2011 12:22 PM

    nineroutsider says:
    All teams should operate like the Packers. Public money can no longer be used for pro sports and that’s the way it should be. Packers have the best ownership in football because it models American business and not some foreign monarchy.

    They’re adding 6,600 seats, not building an entire stadium. And you can bet your ass that they will profit enormously from it over the long run. Spare us the taxpayer riot act, Brown county forked over serious cash to renovate Lambeau 12 years ago.

  20. greenbaypackerbacker says: Aug 25, 2011 12:23 PM

    I have been saying for years now that every team should be publicly traded just like the packers. You then have a board of directors making decisions rather then a Mr. Jones build a stupid big stadium for no reason or the Cardinals stadium having “stadium taxes all over the place. Don’t believe me try and get a rental car at PHX and tell me what the fees are on it for taxes lol.

    Work with me for a second on this plan; if the NFL would have teams do the following they wouldn’t need public money ever!

    1. Next 10 years the NFL from league revenue puts a percentage away into an account; for example purposes lets say its 100 Million
    2. The account becomes 1 Billion Dollars
    3. Teams now can borrow against the account to expand stadiums at a low payback interest with a 10 year pay back.
    4. The account continues to grow based on a low interest point.

    In a way when you involve public tax payers money the leagues(nfl, nba, etc.) are double dipping in a sense. We are paying for memorabilia, tickets, concessions at stadiums, etc. and yet they also want to catch us on the other side of the coin?

    Maybe its high time that all players are required to restructure their contracts sorry no one is worth 20 million guaranteed and its getting out of control.

  21. johnnyb216 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:25 PM

    My god I hope they have another stock sale.

  22. thephantomstranger says: Aug 25, 2011 12:26 PM

    A lot of people are being high and mighty about not using public money for this expansion, but let’s remember that the major renovation in 2003 was funded by a massive tax hike in Brown County. This project is relatively minor and can’t be compared to building a new stadium. The Packers are paying for it because it makes good business sense. If the cost were more than the extra revenue would justify, they’d be running to the taxpayers to make up the difference.

  23. scudbot says: Aug 25, 2011 12:26 PM

    fthrvic says: “As it shouldn’t since it’s an investor supported franchise with publically traded stock.” Wrong. Stock has to be sold back to the team and no price appreciation is allowed.

  24. flyboy123456 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:27 PM

    The Packers suck! I’m a Bears fan and it really pisses me off to see this team consistently do things right. In my opinion, they’re the best run team in football. I’m in Chicago and our team is a joke.

    How does this happen? McCaskey, please sell the team. And please, fire Angelo!! Please!!

  25. suckittrebek76 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:27 PM

    fthrvic says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:09 PM
    As it shouldn’t since it’s an investor supported franchise with publically traded stock.

    ——————————————
    Wrong. Packer stockholders cannot sell their stock, it cannot appreciate in value, and they do not collect dividends. The only benefit of holding stock is to vote for the Board of Directors. In my opinion, it is a waste of money.

  26. packmanfan says: Aug 25, 2011 12:28 PM

    Just another example of why the Pack is the best team in the league in terms of how to do things.

  27. 3octaveFart says: Aug 25, 2011 12:29 PM

    They got tham at a bargain price from Jerry Jones.
    He doesn’t need them anymore.

  28. uwsptke says: Aug 25, 2011 12:31 PM

    fthrvic says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:09 PM
    As it shouldn’t since it’s an investor supported franchise with publically traded stock.

    ==================

    Publicly owned? Yes
    Publicly (or “publically”, whatever that is) traded? No. There’s no ticker symbol for the Packers on the NASDAQ.

  29. tundey says: Aug 25, 2011 12:31 PM

    Can they put this in a memo to the Vikings? And to other NFL owner trying to use public money by holding the state/city hostage? Thanks.

  30. joelvis72 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:32 PM

    The only qualm I have is with the design…those new seats look awfully steep in the concept rendering.

    Always wanted to go to a game there.

  31. medialovesthecowboys says: Aug 25, 2011 12:37 PM

    Green Bay is one place where I think the tax payers wouldn’t care.

  32. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Aug 25, 2011 12:39 PM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:26 PM
    A lot of people are being high and mighty about not using public money for this expansion, but let’s remember that the major renovation in 2003 was funded by a massive tax hike in Brown County. This project is relatively minor and can’t be compared to building a new stadium. The Packers are paying for it because it makes good business sense. If the cost were more than the extra revenue would justify, they’d be running to the taxpayers to make up the difference.

    ___________

    Massive tax hike? It was a 0.5% increase in sales tax, limited to Brown County, the county that would benefit the most from the expansion. And, everybody was more than happy to do it because we love our team!

    You’re just jealous, don’t feel bad. Honestly, I don’t blame you. If I cheered for the vikes and had to live so close to where a competently-run organization was located, I’d be jealous, too.

  33. buddybowl69 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:41 PM

    Even though the Packers stopped my Eagles last year, I find it hard to hate them. They seem to be a class act all around. Now the fans, that’s a different story. Obnoxious is the best term I can use.

  34. thephantomstranger says: Aug 25, 2011 12:41 PM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:18 PM
    How’s your new stadium coming, vikes?
    ______________

    They should be pouring concrete by 2013. Be under it.

  35. duece5 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:42 PM

    sevensixtwonato says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:07 PM
    I have always wanted to see a game there…this should make it easier to do so….good for them.

    duece5 says:

    Been to a game there…..and I was pretty unimpressed. Nothing like pissing in a smelly trough with other “guys”…….I would hope they wouldn’t ask a penny from anyone for “renovating” a pisshole…..that’s what it was pure and simple. EXTREMELY OVERRATED!!!!!

  36. glac1 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:42 PM

    AFTER expansion that should put me at around number 1200 on the season ticket list!

  37. stuckingeebs says: Aug 25, 2011 12:43 PM

    This article is not entirely correct. Here in Green Bay we still pay the Packer tax years after it was supposed to come to an end. Do some research before you start praising the Packers for not costing tax payers money.

  38. dikshuttle says: Aug 25, 2011 12:43 PM

    Best owner(s) in the league. Eat THAT Danny. Sure would love to have that here in DC.

    Cooke used to call himself the Squire.. that’s the right attitude for the ‘Skins franchise. You’re just in stewardship.

  39. mreffs420 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:43 PM

    can’t stand the packers. so i can’t stand it even more when i have to admit they might be dominant this year. now i have to admit they made another smart, solid move as an organization.

    as a vikes fan this hits close to home. nice work by the packers’ organization and good for you fans. my cheesehead buddies have another feather for their foam cheese hats.

  40. jakek2 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:43 PM

    Are there even 6,600 more people that live in Northern Wisconsin?

  41. thephantomstranger says: Aug 25, 2011 12:46 PM

    packfannchitown says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:21 PM
    Very sound business plan.

    I’ll be sure to buy some stock should they be made available. GO PACK!
    ____________

    That’s the same business plan I’m using for my new business. Take advantage of stupid rubes. Only problem is I have to relocate to Wisconsin.

  42. mikemccarthyisfat says: Aug 25, 2011 12:48 PM

    make room for those heffers you guys call human beings over there!!

  43. stuckingeebs says: Aug 25, 2011 12:49 PM

    Not to mention the fact that the agreement of the tax was that more than just packer games would be held at the stadium and there would be events such as concerts held there. They have had about 2 country artists there over the last 8 years and had college hockey, which they have canceled as well as the snowcross. Only events there now is the 5ks where you enter the stadium and run around the field at the end.
    My senior ball was supposed to be in the atrium a few years ago but they upped the price and we were unable to hold it there.

  44. thephantomstranger says: Aug 25, 2011 12:49 PM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:39 PM
    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:26 PM
    A lot of people are being high and mighty about not using public money for this expansion, but let’s remember that the major renovation in 2003 was funded by a massive tax hike in Brown County. This project is relatively minor and can’t be compared to building a new stadium. The Packers are paying for it because it makes good business sense. If the cost were more than the extra revenue would justify, they’d be running to the taxpayers to make up the difference.

    ___________

    Massive tax hike? It was a 0.5% increase in sales tax, limited to Brown County, the county that would benefit the most from the expansion. And, everybody was more than happy to do it because we love our team!
    ___________

    Like I said, public money was used. Contrary to what 90% of the holier than thou commenters on this story are saying.

  45. mkepackfan says: Aug 25, 2011 12:49 PM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says: What a perfect day. Beautiful, bright sunny weather. We’re still the champions and now an additional 6,000+ lucky folks will get to watch our march to Indy! It’s a good day to be a Packer fan
    ————————–

    Um, how do you figure +6,000 will get to watch the March to Indy? Construction hasn’t started & won’t be completed til 2013, so please Carl, use your noggin.

  46. spawnsacs says: Aug 25, 2011 12:51 PM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:26 PM
    A lot of people are being high and mighty about not using public money for this expansion, but let’s remember that the major renovation in 2003 was funded by a massive tax hike in Brown County. This project is relatively minor and can’t be compared to building a new stadium. The Packers are paying for it because it makes good business sense. If the cost were more than the extra revenue would justify, they’d be running to the taxpayers to make up the difference.
    ————————————————–
    By “massive tax hike” you mean the 0.5% increase?

    Wow, that is massive…so massive that I wanted to buy a $30,000 vehicle and could not afford the additional $150 in taxes in Brown County from the Packers stadium bill.

    Give me a break….in this day and age, a multimillion dollar organization being conscious of its fanbase and the hard times we have fallen on is a breath of fresh air.

  47. duece5 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:52 PM

    packmanfan says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:28 PM
    Just another example of why the Pack is the best team in the league in terms of how to do things.

    duece5 says:

    Do you mean the example of leaving the guys who were hurt off the Super Bowl picture, until a major outcry had packer management backpedaling to the crys of fans? Or, the example of not allowing last years’ packers to the White House, such as Darin Colledge?

    You mean the “classy” franchise?

    Can’t have it BOTH ways packman…….

  48. glac1 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:53 PM

    A couple of things. The Packers stock did not cost $500 per share in 1998. It was $200. The stock is publicly listed and if I want to sell my shares, I must turn them back to the organization… Finally, this is a minor expansion and the next time the facility needs to be rebuilt public money WILL be required. But a small local tax is a great investment when you consider the team generates nearly 150 MILLION dollars a year in revenue. Without the Packers nobody would know about little Green Bay.

  49. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Aug 25, 2011 12:53 PM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:49 PM

    Like I said, public money was used.
    ___________

    What’s your point? We were happy to do it because we love our team! In minny, zygi says let’s build a new stadium, I’ll just need the public to fix up the roads a little bit (which need fixing anyway) and it mobilizes hundres of voluneteers to petition that any public funds for a new stadium be subjected to public referendum (where it will surely die).

    Why do you hate your team so much? Is it because they’re so bad?

  50. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Aug 25, 2011 12:54 PM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:41 PM

    They should be pouring concrete by 2013. Be under it.

    __________

    You’re so angry. But, I understand, if my team was that terrible, I’d be angry too. You can’t wreck my day. Beautifully, warm, sunny, low humidity, we champions (again)! Nothing you can say can wreck that. No matter how hard you try.

  51. uwsptke says: Aug 25, 2011 12:55 PM

    stuckingeebs says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:43 PM
    This article is not entirely correct. Here in Green Bay we still pay the Packer tax years after it was supposed to come to an end. Do some research before you start praising the Packers for not costing tax payers money.

    =============

    Holy cow are you ever wrong. We are still paying the Brown County Stadium tax, but it will be retired about a decade SOONER than it was slated. The debt from the 2003 expansion has been retired over a decade early, with the entire tax being retired soon. Why don’t you try to do some research first?

  52. duece5 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:55 PM

    Packers: Lambeau expansion will cost taxpayers nothing
    Posted by Michael David Smith on August 25, 2011, 11:57 AM EDT

    Getty ImagesWhen the Packers announced today that they’re adding seats to Lambeau Field, they made a point of noting that the project won’t cost anything for taxpayers.

    Instead, the expansion of the south end zone seating area, which will add about 6,600 seats beginning with the 2013 season, will be paid for with loans and possibly a stock sale. The Packers see the expansion as a sound long-term investment, since they’ll bring in an estimated $11 million a year in increased revenue when they can sell 6,600 more tickets per game.

    “We’re really investing in Lambeau Field and building on the successful renovation of 2003,” Packers President/CEO Mark Murphy said. “This will help keep the stadium up to date in terms of amenities that we see in the newer stadiums. For us to remain competitive, we need to continue to grow local revenue, and this will help us.”

    The additional seats will increase Lambeau Field’s capacity to more than 79,000. The stadium is currently the 11th biggest in the NFL, but the expansion is projected to make it the fourth biggest.

    Current season-ticket holders who would prefer the new seating in the south end zone will get first priority to sit there, if they want to leave their current seats. People on the season-ticket waiting list will then get the chance to either buy south end zone seats or the seats given up by current season-ticket holders who move to the south end zone.

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    medtxpack says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:01 PM
    another solid move by a solid franchise…

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    porkchopexpress1969 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:02 PM
    Hate the Packers, but this is a prime example on how a stadium should be ran..

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    intenseg says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:02 PM
    I’m not a Packers fan but I have to say that’s the right way to do things.

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    skoobyfl says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:02 PM
    Nice, more beers & bratwurst sales as well.

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    nineroutsider says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:03 PM
    All teams should operate like the Packers. Public money can no longer be used for pro sports and that’s the way it should be. Packers have the best ownership in football because it models American business and not some foreign monarchy.

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    granadafan says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:03 PM
    To all other NFL owners including any potential new owners, please read this story carefully. It’s ridiculous that taxpayers are often blackmailed into paying for the workplaces of billionaires. We don’t pay for the building of say, a bank, or investment firms which employ thousands. Nor should we pay for sports buildings which are used once per week. The majority of the “jobs created” would be part time and only for a few hours. Ridiculous.

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    tomsd1 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:06 PM
    Now that’s the way to do it – rather than running to the Public Troughs and trying to justify a big handout.

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    sevensixtwonato says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:07 PM
    I have always wanted to see a game there…this should make it easier to do so….good for them.

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    fthrvic says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:09 PM
    As it shouldn’t since it’s an investor supported franchise with publically traded stock.

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    dasportsninja says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:10 PM
    The Packers are the Model for a well run organization in a small market. The Bills should be taking notes.

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    claymath52 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:12 PM
    Feel free to make fun of RUBE fans that make dumb comments, but this is where the Packers (insert mine, ours) Franchise excels.

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    achap39 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:13 PM
    Not using public money to improve a stadium? What a novel concept!

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    clintonportisheadd says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:14 PM
    How refreshing it is to see a team pay for it’s own stadium expansion. It’s such a difference than those other teams that use threats to move in order to extort local governments to foot the bill.

    As if folks needed another reason to cheer for the Packers-truly “America’s Team”.

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    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:18 PM
    What a perfect day. Beautiful, bright sunny weather. We’re still the champions and now an additional 6,000+ lucky folks will get to watch our march to Indy! It’s a good day to be a Packer fan!

    How’s your new stadium coming, vikes?

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    bjorntorock says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:19 PM
    the rich just keep getting richer…another solid move by the pack

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    dlindstedt2 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:19 PM
    My only problem with this is that those 6,600 tickets should be given to the general public. Not season ticket holders.

    It is so hard to get tickets to Packer games. They are always sold out. And if you find a dealer, they charge you more then the face.

    They should have said, if the season ticket holders want those seats, they give their current seats up and the 6,600 new available seats will be strictly for the general public.

    But hey, it is what it is. And my beef isn’t that big. It is still a solid move.

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    packfannchitown says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:21 PM
    Very sound business plan.

    I’ll be sure to buy some stock should they be made available. GO PACK!

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    suckittrebek76 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:21 PM
    They don’t need public tax dollars for renovation. They have rube fans that will pay $500 for “ownership” of the team. What a scam.

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    buhbay1c says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:22 PM
    nineroutsider says:
    All teams should operate like the Packers. Public money can no longer be used for pro sports and that’s the way it should be. Packers have the best ownership in football because it models American business and not some foreign monarchy.

    They’re adding 6,600 seats, not building an entire stadium. And you can bet your ass that they will profit enormously from it over the long run. Spare us the taxpayer riot act, Brown county forked over serious cash to renovate Lambeau 12 years ago.

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    greenbaypackerbacker says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:23 PM
    I have been saying for years now that every team should be publicly traded just like the packers. You then have a board of directors making decisions rather then a Mr. Jones build a stupid big stadium for no reason or the Cardinals stadium having “stadium taxes all over the place. Don’t believe me try and get a rental car at PHX and tell me what the fees are on it for taxes lol.

    Work with me for a second on this plan; if the NFL would have teams do the following they wouldn’t need public money ever!

    1. Next 10 years the NFL from league revenue puts a percentage away into an account; for example purposes lets say its 100 Million
    2. The account becomes 1 Billion Dollars
    3. Teams now can borrow against the account to expand stadiums at a low payback interest with a 10 year pay back.
    4. The account continues to grow based on a low interest point.

    In a way when you involve public tax payers money the leagues(nfl, nba, etc.) are double dipping in a sense. We are paying for memorabilia, tickets, concessions at stadiums, etc. and yet they also want to catch us on the other side of the coin?

    Maybe its high time that all players are required to restructure their contracts sorry no one is worth 20 million guaranteed and its getting out of control.

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    johnnyb216 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:25 PM
    My god I hope they have another stock sale.

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    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:26 PM
    A lot of people are being high and mighty about not using public money for this expansion, but let’s remember that the major renovation in 2003 was funded by a massive tax hike in Brown County. This project is relatively minor and can’t be compared to building a new stadium. The Packers are paying for it because it makes good business sense. If the cost were more than the extra revenue would justify, they’d be running to the taxpayers to make up the difference.

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    scudbot says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:26 PM
    fthrvic says: “As it shouldn’t since it’s an investor supported franchise with publically traded stock.” Wrong. Stock has to be sold back to the team and no price appreciation is allowed.

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    flyboy123456 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:27 PM
    The Packers suck! I’m a Bears fan and it really pisses me off to see this team consistently do things right. In my opinion, they’re the best run team in football. I’m in Chicago and our team is a joke.

    How does this happen? McCaskey, please sell the team. And please, fire Angelo!! Please!!

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    suckittrebek76 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:27 PM
    fthrvic says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:09 PM
    As it shouldn’t since it’s an investor supported franchise with publically traded stock.

    ——————————————
    Wrong. Packer stockholders cannot sell their stock, it cannot appreciate in value, and they do not collect dividends. The only benefit of holding stock is to vote for the Board of Directors. In my opinion, it is a waste of money.

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    packmanfan says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:28 PM
    Just another example of why the Pack is the best team in the league in terms of how to do things.

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    3octaveFart says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:29 PM
    They got tham at a bargain price from Jerry Jones.
    He doesn’t need them anymore.

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    uwsptke says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:31 PM
    fthrvic says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:09 PM
    As it shouldn’t since it’s an investor supported franchise with publically traded stock.

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    Publicly owned? Yes
    Publicly (or “publically”, whatever that is) traded? No. There’s no ticker symbol for the Packers on the NASDAQ.

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    tundey says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:31 PM
    Can they put this in a memo to the Vikings? And to other NFL owner trying to use public money by holding the state/city hostage? Thanks.

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    joelvis72 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:32 PM
    The only qualm I have is with the design…those new seats look awfully steep in the concept rendering.

    Always wanted to go to a game there.

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    medialovesthecowboys says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:37 PM
    Green Bay is one place where I think the tax payers wouldn’t care.

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    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:39 PM
    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:26 PM
    A lot of people are being high and mighty about not using public money for this expansion, but let’s remember that the major renovation in 2003 was funded by a massive tax hike in Brown County. This project is relatively minor and can’t be compared to building a new stadium. The Packers are paying for it because it makes good business sense. If the cost were more than the extra revenue would justify, they’d be running to the taxpayers to make up the difference.

    ___________

    Massive tax hike? It was a 0.5% increase in sales tax, limited to Brown County, the county that would benefit the most from the expansion. And, everybody was more than happy to do it because we love our team!

    You’re just jealous, don’t feel bad. Honestly, I don’t blame you. If I cheered for the vikes and had to live so close to where a competently-run organization was located, I’d be jealous, too.

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    buddybowl69 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:41 PM
    Even though the Packers stopped my Eagles last year, I find it hard to hate them. They seem to be a class act all around. Now the fans, that’s a different story. Obnoxious is the best term I can use.

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    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:41 PM
    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:18 PM
    How’s your new stadium coming, vikes?
    ______________

    They should be pouring concrete by 2013. Be under it.

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    duece5 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:42 PM
    sevensixtwonato says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:07 PM
    I have always wanted to see a game there…this should make it easier to do so….good for them.

    duece5 says:

    Been to a game there…..and I was pretty unimpressed. Nothing like pissing in a smelly trough with other “guys”…….I would hope they wouldn’t ask a penny from anyone for “renovating” a pisshole…..that’s what it was pure and simple. EXTREMELY OVERRATED!!!!!

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    glac1 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:42 PM
    AFTER expansion that should put me at around number 1200 on the season ticket list!

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    stuckingeebs says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:43 PM
    This article is not entirely correct. Here in Green Bay we still pay the Packer tax years after it was supposed to come to an end. Do some research before you start praising the Packers for not costing tax payers money.

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    dikshuttle says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:43 PM
    Best owner(s) in the league. Eat THAT Danny. Sure would love to have that here in DC.

    Cooke used to call himself the Squire.. that’s the right attitude for the ‘Skins franchise. You’re just in stewardship.

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    mreffs420 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:43 PM
    can’t stand the packers. so i can’t stand it even more when i have to admit they might be dominant this year. now i have to admit they made another smart, solid move as an organization.

    as a vikes fan this hits close to home. nice work by the packers’ organization and good for you fans. my cheesehead buddies have another feather for their foam cheese hats.

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    jakek2 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:43 PM
    Are there even 6,600 more people that live in Northern Wisconsin?

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    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:46 PM
    packfannchitown says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:21 PM
    Very sound business plan.

    I’ll be sure to buy some stock should they be made available. GO PACK!
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    That’s the same business plan I’m using for my new business. Take advantage of stupid rubes. Only problem is I have to relocate to Wisconsin.

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    mikemccarthyisfat says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:48 PM
    make room for those heffers you guys call human beings over there!!

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    stuckingeebs says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:49 PM
    Not to mention the fact that the agreement of the tax was that more than just packer games would be held at the stadium and there would be events such as concerts held there. They have had about 2 country artists there over the last 8 years and had college hockey, which they have canceled as well as the snowcross. Only events there now is the 5ks where you enter the stadium and run around the field at the end.
    My senior ball was supposed to be in the atrium a few years ago but they upped the price and we were unable to hold it there.

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    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:49 PM
    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:39 PM
    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:26 PM
    A lot of people are being high and mighty about not using public money for this expansion, but let’s remember that the major renovation in 2003 was funded by a massive tax hike in Brown County. This project is relatively minor and can’t be compared to building a new stadium. The Packers are paying for it because it makes good business sense. If the cost were more than the extra revenue would justify, they’d be running to the taxpayers to make up the difference.

    ___________

    Massive tax hike? It was a 0.5% increase in sales tax, limited to Brown County, the county that would benefit the most from the expansion. And, everybody was more than happy to do it because we love our team!
    ___________

    Like I said, public money was used. Contrary to what 90% of the holier than thou commenters on this story are saying.

    Duece5 says:

    Correct…a tax WAS used…..hmm…..never as rosy and cuddly as people thought!!!

  53. spawnsacs says: Aug 25, 2011 12:57 PM

    stuckingeebs says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:43 PM
    This article is not entirely correct. Here in Green Bay we still pay the Packer tax years after it was supposed to come to an end. Do some research before you start praising the Packers for not costing tax payers money.
    ————————————————–
    The 2003 Lambeau rennovation bill was paid in full at the begining of 2010. The Brown County board voted to keep the tax in place and altered it slightly to pay for other county related items.

    Heed your own words and “do some reasearch” before spouting off.

  54. thephantomstranger says: Aug 25, 2011 12:57 PM

    spawnsacs says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:51 PM
    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:26 PM
    A lot of people are being high and mighty about not using public money for this expansion, but let’s remember that the major renovation in 2003 was funded by a massive tax hike in Brown County. This project is relatively minor and can’t be compared to building a new stadium. The Packers are paying for it because it makes good business sense. If the cost were more than the extra revenue would justify, they’d be running to the taxpayers to make up the difference.
    ————————————————–
    By “massive tax hike” you mean the 0.5% increase?
    _____________

    Gee, when Ramsey County proposed a 0.5% sales tax increase to build a Vikings stadium, I was told by Viking haters that it was a massive tax hike and Zygi should pay for the whole stadium himself.

  55. youboettcha says: Aug 25, 2011 12:58 PM

    This goes to show that stadiums don’t need to be built. Lambeau Field is 54 years old. A team like the Panthers wants a new stadium after like 15 years. It’s ridiculous. How old is Wrigley Field. Just renovate old stadiums. It’s way cheaper.

  56. contra74 says: Aug 25, 2011 1:01 PM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:46 PM
    packfannchitown says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:21 PM
    Very sound business plan.

    I’ll be sure to buy some stock should they be made available. GO PACK!
    ————-
    Thats cute.

    Hey by the way, Im building a home for my family to live in and you are part of the lucky general public to buy stock in it! You wont live in it and you wont be able to make any decisions on what I do with my home. Those holding preferred stock may tell me how low to cut my grass. At any rate, you can sure as heck use your ownership of my home stock as a great ice breaker during uncomfortable silent moments during dinner parties.

  57. clintonportisheadd says: Aug 25, 2011 1:02 PM

    thephantomstranger says: Aug 25, 2011 12:41 PM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:18 PM
    How’s your new stadium coming, vikes?
    ______________

    They should be pouring concrete by 2013. Be under it.

    ================

    Thats true. The problem is the concrete is being poured in Los Angeles and not in Lake Wobegon.

  58. zaggs says: Aug 25, 2011 1:03 PM

    “packmanfan says: Aug 25, 2011 12:28 PM

    Just another example of why the Pack is the best team in the league in terms of how to do things.”

    When the Pack build an entire stadium without public money, then you can get on your soapbox.

  59. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Aug 25, 2011 1:05 PM

    mkepackfan says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:49 PM

    Um, how do you figure +6,000 will get to watch the March to Indy? Construction hasn’t started & won’t be completed til 2013, so please Carl, use your noggin.

    _______

    Relax, dude. I meant the March to the Meadowlands. Just a mistake in all the excitement about a potential new stock offering. Sheesh, I guess there was a reason why we moved the games out of m’woky…

  60. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Aug 25, 2011 1:07 PM

    contra74 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 1:01 PM

    Thats cute.

    Hey by the way, Im building a home for my family to live in and you are part of the lucky general public to buy stock in it! You wont live in it and you wont be able to make any decisions on what I do with my home. Those holding preferred stock may tell me how low to cut my grass. At any rate, you can sure as heck use your ownership of my home stock as a great ice breaker during uncomfortable silent moments during dinner parties.

    ____________

    Congrats! Are you tearing down some poor schmuck’s cabin first? I didn’t realize there was any vacant land with 300′ of prime lakefront available on ‘tonka.

  61. barneysbullet says: Aug 25, 2011 1:10 PM

    Yay!!! Now there’s only 75,000 on waiting list…

  62. packattack1967 says: Aug 25, 2011 1:13 PM

    Wait till Cutler faces THAT wall of sound!

  63. glac1 says: Aug 25, 2011 1:15 PM

    The next time the place needs to be rebuilt, public money will be needed. Let’s do the math a half percent sales tax for twelve years in exchange for nearly 150 million dollars coming into the area annually. That’s a great investment. Without the Pack nobody would know there is a Green Bay, WI.

  64. greenbay4ever says: Aug 25, 2011 1:16 PM

    Man, I just need one share. That’s all it takes to be an NFL owner.

  65. granadafan says: Aug 25, 2011 1:18 PM

    New NFL/ owner strategy:
    1)Hold cities and communities hostage with demands for a new stadium or remodeling for suites to hold ober rich people.
    2) Demand cities/counties raise taxes to pay for stadiums and raise prices so high that most residents can’t afford to go without forgoing meals/rent/ car payments
    3) Punish taxpayers for not taking out loans to watch their game and blackout the whole region from watching when stadium is not sold out.
    4) Threaten to move team and rip the hearts out of fans

    Um, yeah, that makes sense.

  66. contra74 says: Aug 25, 2011 1:19 PM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Aug 25, 2011 1:07 PM
    contra74 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 1:01 PM

    Thats cute.

    Hey by the way, Im building a home for my family to live in and you are part of the lucky general public to buy stock in it! You wont live in it and you wont be able to make any decisions on what I do with my home. Those holding preferred stock may tell me how low to cut my grass. At any rate, you can sure as heck use your ownership of my home stock as a great ice breaker during uncomfortable silent moments during dinner parties.

    ____________

    Congrats! Are you tearing down some poor schmuck’s cabin first? I didn’t realize there was any vacant land with 300′ of prime lakefront available on ‘tonka.
    ————-
    I live in Los Angeles. You know, an actual city where buildings are able to go higher than 4 floors unlike your backwoods town in Wisconsin. At any rate, business is business so if you guys are buying fake stock then im selling! Who’s up!? WAIT, my stocks just split! MORE FOR EVERYONE!!!

  67. mountaindont says: Aug 25, 2011 1:19 PM

    Had the Packers asked for public money I would have been there with my check book. This is this why the Packers are considered the best organization in Professional Sports

  68. philtration says: Aug 25, 2011 1:21 PM

    johnnyb216 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:25 PM

    My god I hope they have another stock sale.
    =====================================

    You can keep it in a safe right next to your Monopoly money.

  69. minkytails says: Aug 25, 2011 1:32 PM

    Are you listening, Minnesota Legislature/Mark Dayton?????

  70. mrvikingsfan11 says: Aug 25, 2011 1:33 PM

    I thought they were moving to LA, becoming the LA Packers?

  71. jimmymcnultysbottleofjameson says: Aug 25, 2011 1:40 PM

    Always admired the way this franchise was run.

  72. fthrvic says: Aug 25, 2011 1:41 PM

    My bad, didn’t realize it wasn’t “traded”. Taxpayer funds definately not needed with that kind of revenue access though.

  73. bordner says: Aug 25, 2011 1:45 PM

    Call us rubes all you want. Tell us how worthless our stock is. Make fun of us when we refer to ourselves as “owners”.

    Do whatever it takes to make yourselves feel superior, because at the end of the day, you all know… our team’s better than yours.

    If it wasn’t for us rubes buying all that worthless stock, we more than likely wouldn’t have a team, let alone a team with 13 championships.

    How many does your team have?

  74. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Aug 25, 2011 1:53 PM

    contra74 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 1:19 PM
    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Aug 25, 2011 1:07 PM
    contra74 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 1:01 PM

    Thats cute.

    Hey by the way, Im building a home for my family to live in and you are part of the lucky general public to buy stock in it! You wont live in it and you wont be able to make any decisions on what I do with my home. Those holding preferred stock may tell me how low to cut my grass. At any rate, you can sure as heck use your ownership of my home stock as a great ice breaker during uncomfortable silent moments during dinner parties.

    ____________

    Congrats! Are you tearing down some poor schmuck’s cabin first? I didn’t realize there was any vacant land with 300′ of prime lakefront available on ‘tonka.
    ————-
    I live in Los Angeles. You know, an actual city where buildings are able to go higher than 4 floors unlike your backwoods town in Wisconsin. At any rate, business is business so if you guys are buying fake stock then im selling! Who’s up!? WAIT, my stocks just split! MORE FOR EVERYONE!!!

    _______

    Sorry, I guess I was confusing you with that other genius, know-it-all, pervy.

    But, congrats on living in a city with tall buildings.

    And, in a few years, that location should make it very easy to take in a vikes home game…

  75. jimmysee says: Aug 25, 2011 1:54 PM

    suckittrebek76 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:27 PM
    fthrvic says:

    Aug 25, 2011 12:09 PM
    As it shouldn’t since it’s an investor supported franchise with publically traded stock.

    ——————————————
    Wrong. Packer stockholders cannot sell their stock, it cannot appreciate in value, and they do not collect dividends. The only benefit of holding stock is to vote for the Board of Directors. In my opinion, it is a waste of money.

    ———————————————————–

    So how old are you? 12?

    Way more important that any appreciation we stockholders could ever get from our few shares of Green Bay Packers, Inc. is the knowledge that this team will never ever ever ever relocate.

    The Green Bay Packers will be in Green Bay until the end of the NFL.

    Lots of teams in bigger markets can never say that.

    That’s why there is that connection between the team and the community. The Packers are not some rich dude’s toy.

  76. thephantomstranger says: Aug 25, 2011 1:55 PM

    bordner says:
    Aug 25, 2011 1:45 PM
    Call us rubes all you want. Tell us how worthless our stock is. Make fun of us when we refer to ourselves as “owners”.

    Do whatever it takes to make yourselves feel superior, because at the end of the day, you all know… our team’s better than yours.

    If it wasn’t for us rubes buying all that worthless stock, we more than likely wouldn’t have a team, let alone a team with 13 championships.

    How many does your team have?
    _____________

    My team has zero. And I prefer that to living in Wisconsin, worshiping a football team, and being braindead, like a typical Packer fan.

  77. thephantomstranger says: Aug 25, 2011 1:59 PM

    What is this? deuce05 can copy and paste the entire post and all the comments but I can’t say that people don’t like Carl Gerbschmidt?

  78. purplehayseuss says: Aug 25, 2011 2:00 PM

    How’s your new stadium coming, vikes?

    Carl, You’re forgetting yourself. It IS all about the Holy Packers. Stop bringing up the Vikings. When you do, you tarnish your halo just a little bit. You take a step backward from the Holy Consession Stand, and just a bit further away from the Holy CheedarBrat. What would Vince say? Now go get in line. Those new 6600 Worshippers might get better seats!

  79. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Aug 25, 2011 2:04 PM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 25, 2011 1:55 PM
    _____________

    My team has zero. And I prefer that to living in Wisconsin, worshiping a football team, and being braindead, like a typical Packer fan.
    __________________

    Again with all the hate. Why are you so angry? It’s not our fault your team is terrible.

  80. favreblows says: Aug 25, 2011 2:05 PM

    @ Phantom Stranger–

    Big issue you’re missing with the Brown County Tax increase. The matter was put to a public referendum and passed 53-47. The Wilfs will never agree to a plan that puts the matter to a public referendum. They will jam it down your throat instead. The public would vote it down 60-40. So remember this. The Packers either pay for things on their own….or ask the public for permission to raise taxes. The Vikings will jam a tax increase down your throat….or rob your general fund without asking for your permission.

    Packers > Vikings

    Deal with it.

  81. briang123 says: Aug 25, 2011 2:07 PM

    I am sure they are going to use scabs to build these seats with the way Wisconsin’s government is destroying unions in order to blame someone for the Bush economy and the mess that Bush and the Republican Party left all of us, especially states like Wisconsin, which has a significant population of women, children, and minorities. Sure the Packers are a class organization, but what are they doing to help the poor and their children see Packers games? Nothing, I am sure.

  82. mooseknuckle says: Aug 25, 2011 2:14 PM

    1. Good thing they are not asking for taxpayer money because the majority of packer fans are welfare recipients and would revolt if they had to pay any additional taxes.
    2. To all non-packer fans: Please do not argue with packer fans as it is pointless. The packers are the only thing in their lives and that is the only thing they can talk about. “We got dem 13 championships eh? There was no playoffs back then when we got 9 of dem but we still got em’ dontcha know.” Go Pack.

  83. thephantomstranger says: Aug 25, 2011 2:16 PM

    briang123 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 2:07 PM
    I am sure they are going to use scabs to build these seats with the way Wisconsin’s government is destroying unions in order to blame someone for the Bush economy and the mess that Bush and the Republican Party left all of us, especially states like Wisconsin, which has a significant population of women, children, and minorities. Sure the Packers are a class organization, but what are they doing to help the poor and their children see Packers games? Nothing, I am sure.
    ________

    It’s been over 2.5 years. When does it become the Obama economy?

    And does Wisconsin really have a larger proportion of women and children than other states? What does that even mean?

  84. schemefactory says: Aug 25, 2011 2:17 PM

    y’all’s jus jealous! packers are easily the coolest thing in football, just like the brewers are easily the coolest thing in baseball. sounds like wisconsin cream has risen to the top.

  85. leroy36 says: Aug 25, 2011 2:22 PM

    You are misinformed, Wisconsin’s government only addressed public worker unions, not trade unions. Nice try.

    Season ticket holder who cannot attend are encouraged to donate their unused tickets to the Boys and Girls Club of Green Bay, which sells the tickets at face value to generate revenue for their cause.

  86. brewdogg says: Aug 25, 2011 2:24 PM

    1) This is a small expansion of seating, not a full stadium. The price tag is going to be what exactly?

    2) The renovation was for $295 mil, and they needed public money for that. The Brown County tax barely passed (53%-47%), and Bob Harlan had to press more flesh than a presidential candidate to get that done, contrary to the “we love our Packers” braggers.

    3) The “non-profit” organization supposedly has over $100 million in a “franchise preservation” fund. Who wants to bet there will soon be an embezzlement scandal? The fact that they are talking about loans to pay for these seats makes me wonder…

    4) The Packers can’t move. They have no leverage. Fill in the blanks…..

    5) I will believe the Packers are a class organization when they stop shoving players who have given their whole careers to the team out the door when they hit 30. Darren Sharper should have retired as a Packer. Marco Rivera should have retired as a Packer. Ahman Green should have retired as a Packer. Who’s next?

    That being said, I like that they are doing it themselves, and I do wish that other teams (including the Vikings) would do the same. I also wish that all players with contracts over $1 mil would give back half their salary so that ticket prices can be lowered. Unfortunately, this is reality. Crowing about a little seating expansion being paid for by a team with no leverage against the public is pretty myopic. Sort of like bragging about how good a team drafts when a 6th round pick from 3 years ago beats out a couple other 6th round picks for the starting G spot….. Just be happy 6600 more people will get to go to the game every week, and leave it at that.

  87. stuckingeebs says: Aug 25, 2011 2:24 PM

    If you read my post I was obviously talking about the original plan for it to end once the stadium was paid for. That was what the vote was for in the first place. The people had no say in the Brown County board decision to extend it further. But, than again you probably don’t live in the area and have to pay it all the time. The whole thing is a joke, milwaukee gets 4 games a year and does not pay the tax. Take away 2 of their games or something. It’s the same issue as Bellevue getting to use the green bay police without paying for it. De Pere which is only minutes from the stadium is also exempt from the tax. The tax is a joke and always has been.

    The people who support the tax are the same people who bought shares in the Packers. Complete idiots.

  88. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Aug 25, 2011 2:26 PM

    schemefactory says:
    Aug 25, 2011 2:17 PM
    y’all’s jus jealous! packers are easily the coolest thing in football, just like the brewers are easily the coolest thing in baseball. sounds like wisconsin cream has risen to the top.

    ________

    That’s right, baby! Brew Crew extending their league in the NL Central. Meanwhile, I hear rumors about moving boxes outside of Thome’s and Kubel’s lockers? what’s up with that, Twinkies? It’s like professional ball players just can’t wait to get out minny. I wonder why…

  89. gdeli says: Aug 25, 2011 2:33 PM

    I wish that was the same for us vikings fans! ha

  90. contra74 says: Aug 25, 2011 2:34 PM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Aug 25, 2011 1:53 PM
    _______

    Sorry, I guess I was confusing you with that other genius, know-it-all, pervy.

    But, congrats on living in a city with tall buildings.

    And, in a few years, that location should make it very easy to take in a vikes home game…
    ————-
    And if they move, then what? I get to watch them in Los Angeles as a fan. What will you be doing? Still trolling anything Viking related even if they may have left MN? Sad fact is that regardless of what the Vikings do you will always want to be there to cause some sort of verbal pain as if it was some divine calling. Guy, get a life. Everyones a fan of their team but others make it their lives which is a sad reflection of their own and you clearly show it here on these posts.

  91. minnesconsin says: Aug 25, 2011 2:37 PM

    thephantomstranger says:

    Gee, when Ramsey County proposed a 0.5% sales tax increase to build a Vikings stadium, I was told by Viking haters that it was a massive tax hike and Zygi should pay for the whole stadium himself.
    ——————————————–

    The difference is that the Packers board of directors had the cahones to allow the county to put the issue in the voter’s hand via referendum. It snuck past 53-47 in a town that is literally nothing but the Packers.

    As a MN resident, I believe the Vikings are an asset to the state, not just to the twin cities, and certainly not just to Ramsey county. The sales tax increase should be born by the entire state — but, it’s my opinion that Ziggy and Dayton should allow this to go the public for a vote, with the understanding ahead of time that this is not just a vote on a stadium, but essentially a vote on whether the Vikings stay in MN, because that’s what it’s come down to. Pay it, or watch them leave. Give the entire state an ultimatum and let them respond.

  92. grennandgold4ever says: Aug 25, 2011 2:38 PM

    buddybowl69 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:41 PM
    Even though the Packers stopped my Eagles last year, I find it hard to hate them. They seem to be a class act all around. Now the fans, that’s a different story. Obnoxious is the best term I can use.

    An Iggles fan calling Packers fans obnoxious…are you freakin’ kidding me? Poll opposing teams fans and see where they would rather go and see a game, Lambeau or the Linc? You know the answer already, you knucklehead. Just came back from an 1,100 mile trip to Packers training camp (grew up in WI) and the place is still the best. Season ticket waiting list is up to 87,000. Think there would ever be that many Iggles fans waiting to see them at the Linc…hardly! You know how many names came off the waiting list this year for packers season tix??? TWO (2)! That says it all. Go Pack go!

  93. fu7ur3pr00f says: Aug 25, 2011 2:40 PM

    Why can’t every team be “publicly owned”?

    What’s so annoying is that some clueless billionaire will buy the team, or pass it down to their idiot children (McCaskey, and Mike Brown, I’m looking your way).

    And these terrible owners get to run the team as their their own private trust fund, with no accountability to the fans, or to actual winning – just as long as they make a profit through ticket, merchandise, and TV licensing deals.

    What if the actual fans of Chicago, Cincinnati, Detroit, Cleveland, had an actual say in team organizational decisions? Could you imagine?

    Instead you got the McCaskey’s and Mike Brown’s of the league cutting corners, providing kickbacks and jobs within the team to family members. Completely ridiculous.

    Last time I checked if a company wasn’t meeting their organizational goals, then the CEO gets removed by the shareholders/board of Directors.

    Wouldn’t it be nice if football fans could do the same to their owners?

  94. minnesconsin says: Aug 25, 2011 2:47 PM

    Also, wanted to chime in as a level-headed Packers fan. Yes, it’s nice that the Packers can do this without begging for public money. But we owe it to the rest of the league to admit that maybe, just, maybe, the deck is stacked in GB’s favor when it comes to the ability to take in money from “stock sales.” The public ownership model is a violation of today’s NFL policies, so it’s not as if the rest of the league is too stupid to figure out how to take advantage of this kind of organization — it’s just not allowed, period. Packers were grandfathered in.

  95. North American Bowl says: Aug 25, 2011 2:50 PM

    Brown( Nazi) County has nothing in it. There is nothing to do but eat and go to KFC.

    That is why the Packers are so easily the main foucused.

    When the Vikings get their new Stadium in a real city (Minneapolis) with tons of things to do, you will see the real fans of the NFC North.

  96. Little Earthquake says: Aug 25, 2011 2:50 PM

    It’s sad that something that costs taxpayers nothing is news.

  97. minnesconsin says: Aug 25, 2011 2:51 PM

    Also —

    I’m not sure why people waste their time engaging with Gerbie. You guys realize he’s a fictitious character created by KFAN radio in MN, right? He’s just a caricature of a stereotypical packers rube.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Barreiro#More_on_Carl_Gerbschmidt

  98. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Aug 25, 2011 2:52 PM

    contra74 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 2:34 PM

    And if they move, then what? I get to watch them in Los Angeles as a fan. What will you be doing? Still trolling anything Viking related even if they may have left MN?

    _____

    “…trolling anything viking related”? This is a PACKER story.

    Why don’t you get off our thread.

  99. sevensixtwonato says: Aug 25, 2011 2:59 PM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:18 PM
    What a perfect day. Beautiful, bright sunny weather. We’re still the champions and now an additional 6,000+ lucky folks will get to watch our march to Indy! It’s a good day to be a Packer fan

    How’s your new stadium coming, vikes?

    ————————————————–

    “Instead, the expansion of the south end zone seating area, which will add about 6,600 seats beginning with the 2013 season”

    Way to be a dumbass….

  100. North American Bowl says: Aug 25, 2011 3:01 PM

    The Fishbowl known as Brown County where there is nothing to do but worship the Packers.

  101. ruvelligwebuike says: Aug 25, 2011 3:02 PM

    briang123 says:Aug 25, 2011 2:07 PM

    “I am sure they are going to use scabs to build these seats with the way Wisconsin’s government is destroying unions in order to blame someone for the Bush economy and the mess that Bush and the Republican Party left all of us, especially states like Wisconsin, which has a significant population of women, children, and minorities. Sure the Packers are a class organization, but what are they doing to help the poor and their children see Packers games? Nothing, I am sure.”
    ———————-

    What?

  102. pftequalsgreatjournalism says: Aug 25, 2011 3:09 PM

    thephantomstranger says: stupid isht over and over again…

    Man, you are one angry person…Might want to seek professional help…

    Here is one for you – the Packers are not perfect…Does that help?

  103. Ratpee1 says: Aug 25, 2011 3:11 PM

    How’s your new stadium coming, vikes?

    Vikings will be announcing new Stadium to be built by next season.

  104. pftequalsgreatjournalism says: Aug 25, 2011 3:13 PM

    North American Bowl says:
    Aug 25, 2011 2:50 PM

    When the Vikings get their new Stadium in a real city (Minneapolis) with tons of things to do, you will see the real fans of the NFC North.

    —————————————

    Yeah maybe so but you will still have to drive your Winnebago to GB, Pittsburgh or Dallas to see a real SB trophy…

  105. allisab says: Aug 25, 2011 3:14 PM

    Not impressed. Robert Kraft funded Gillette Stadium 100% on his own. Now that’s classy.

  106. packergalmke says: Aug 25, 2011 3:17 PM

    The Packers are publicly owned but not publicly traded. The stock is pretty much worthless, but it’s still cool to own a share and call yourself an “owner.” I plan to buy a share should the Packers sell some to finance the additional seating. The residents of Brown County voted a small sales tax increase to finance the renovation to Lambeau Field. That way, they didn’t have to sell the naming rights to our most hallowed football ground. Can you imagine calling Lambeau anything else but “Lambeau?” Also, when the citizens of Brown County took it upon themselves to help the team by giving themselves a tax, the team responded and 4,000 tickets for every home game are set aside for Brown County residents. We take care of our own.

  107. smoothjimmyapollo says: Aug 25, 2011 3:26 PM

    “When the Vikings get their new Stadium in a real city (Minneapolis) with tons of things to do, you will see the real fans of the NFC North.”

    I love the big city argument from Viking fans like Minnesota is much more civilized than Wisconsin. Here’s the difference between WI and MN: WI has its cities spread out, MN has their cities packed together. That’s it. Oh, and MN has a hockey team and a big mall.

    Otherwise, is it cold in MN and WI? Yes and yes. Do both have great areas to snowmobile, ski, hunt and fish? Yes and yes. Are there run-down, trashy parts of each state. Yes to both. Do both states have politicians that make their constituents look foolish? Uh huh.

    Packer fans love to flaunt their team’s success. To retaliate, Viking fans act like there’s so much more to do in their state – as if Minneapolis is like the Paris of North America where all of its citizens spend their free time wearing berets, drinking only the finest wines, eating the finest cuisine, and visiting art museums, attending operas, and critiquing ballets. Something tells me the people on these boards raving about the superior culture of Minnesota have never visited any of these places.

    Green Bay is a small town. We get it. Without the Packers, there’s really not much of a reason to visit the city unless you live there or have family there. The Packers are a Wisconsin team. If you want art museums, performing arts, fine dining, etc., you can find it in Milwaukee or Madison.

  108. rcg365 says: Aug 25, 2011 3:30 PM

    I love the Packers franchise so much history so much class…

  109. thephantomstranger says: Aug 25, 2011 3:32 PM

    pftequalsgreatjournalism says:
    Aug 25, 2011 3:09 PM
    thephantomstranger says: stupid isht over and over again…

    Man, you are one angry person…Might want to seek professional help…

    Here is one for you – the Packers are not perfect…Does that help?
    _______________

    This coming from the guy who said Deb would make Big Ben puke if he saw her.

  110. minnesconsin says: Aug 25, 2011 3:32 PM

    dlindstedt2 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:19 PM
    My only problem with this is that those 6,600 tickets should be given to the general public. Not season ticket holders.

    It is so hard to get tickets to Packer games. They are always sold out. And if you find a dealer, they charge you more then the face.

    They should have said, if the season ticket holders want those seats, they give their current seats up and the 6,600 new available seats will be strictly for the general public.

    But hey, it is what it is. And my beef isn’t that big. It is still a solid move.
    ————————-

    It’s not at all difficult to get Packers tickets. There are dozens of outlets, large and small, who would be happy to take your money. Yes, they’re expensive, but they’re readily available.

    Shepherding those 6600 seats to non-season ticket holders would be neither ethical nor wise. The thousands on the waiting list are expecting first crack at tickets, and the team is acting in good faith by holding up their end of that bargain. And business-wise, you can conduct 6600 one-time transactions, or you can do it 52,800 times per season (assuming 8 games).

  111. minnesconsin says: Aug 25, 2011 3:34 PM

    smoothjimmyapollo is spot-on. Lived 18 years in Wisco, 12 in Minn. The similarities are far greater than the differences…

  112. realitypolice says: Aug 25, 2011 3:35 PM

    sevensixtwonato says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:07 PM
    I have always wanted to see a game there…this should make it easier to do so….good for them.
    =====================
    You can go to a game there any time you want.

    There are an average of over 2,000 tickets per game available priced as low as $105, including over 3,000 for the Viking game.

    In fact, there are 8 season ticket packages available on line right now.

    It’s not as hard to get into Lambeau Field as people would have you believe.

  113. th56 says: Aug 25, 2011 3:40 PM

    The Packers have an unfair advantage with the rest of the league. In GreenBay the fans have little understanding of finance and will gladly bend over and take anything the Packers want to give them. It’s a huge advantage to have a team in a place were it’s the only thing that people have to look forward to.

  114. schmitty2 says: Aug 25, 2011 3:43 PM

    duece5 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:42 PM
    sevensixtwonato says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:07 PM
    I have always wanted to see a game there…this should make it easier to do so….good for them.

    duece5 says:

    Been to a game there…..and I was pretty unimpressed. Nothing like pissing in a smelly trough with other “guys”…….I would hope they wouldn’t ask a penny from anyone for “renovating” a pisshole…..that’s what it was pure and simple. EXTREMELY OVERRATED!!!!!

    Umm, dont all stadiums have troughs that smell?
    Sounds like you were embarassed about packing a little smokey in a room full of Kielbasas

  115. Ratpee1 says: Aug 25, 2011 3:46 PM

    Minnesota vs Wisconsin.

    Minnesota is a Jaguar.

    Minnesota is like a fine wine. Minnesotans have a supreme IQ. Minnesota is like a fine suit.

    Minnesota is rich and wealthy. Minnesota is culturally sound.

    Minnesota has beautiful healthy people. Minnesota has nice people.

    Wisconsin is a Yugo. Wisconsin is cheap beer. Wisconsin is Huck Fin. Wisconsin is ripped jeans.

    Wisconsin is West Virginia with cold winters. Wisconsin breaks scales.

  116. purpleisreallypinkyouknow says: Aug 25, 2011 3:59 PM

    briang123 says:Aug 25, 2011 2:07 PM

    I am sure they are going to use scabs to build these seats with the way Wisconsin’s government is destroying unions in order to blame someone for the Bush economy and the mess that Bush and the Republican Party left all of us, especially states like Wisconsin, which has a significant population of women, children, and minorities. Sure the Packers are a class organization, but what are they doing to help the poor and their children see Packers games? Nothing, I am sure.
    __________________________________

    1) It will be Union labor more than likely, just like the last renovation was. If it’s not…it’s not. Maybe if the Unions didn’t have their crooked hands in the back pockets of the Dems, it would be a different story.

    2) Be happy that the Packers have sold out for decades…or you poor children wouldn’t even see it on TV.

    3) I bust my a$$ to pay for the club seats my wife’s uncle has…$212 a piece to be exact. Quit spending your money on booze, smokes, and lottery tickets and maybe you could go more often. They go real cheap in the parking lot right before kick-off.

    4) Way to turn this into a political battle. As a former Union Carpenter in the 90’s I can tell you that the Unions have more or less bargained themselves OUT of their jobs because they got too big for their shoes and wanted more and more when they had it good already. Asking gov’t employees to kick in a portion of their expenses isn’t too much to ask in my opinion…now if Washington D.C. was only forced to do it.
    Go whine about the gov’t on the Vikings stadium news or better yet, spend more time at C-Span.com

  117. teal379 says: Aug 25, 2011 4:05 PM

    allisab says:
    Aug 25, 2011 3:14 PM
    Not impressed. Robert Kraft funded Gillette Stadium 100% on his own. Now that’s classy.

    _________________________________

    Well there’s that 70 million the state put up for infrastructure improvements – that wasn’t on Bob’s dime but the tax payers of MA. The NFL financed 1/2 the 250 million for the stadium, and there’s the 120 million Gillette paid to have their name on the outside. Let’s not paint this like Bob just cut a check to Dave’s Construction and then took the keys when it was done….

    Lambeau doesn’t have a corporate sponsor – it’s never gonna be “Chuckie Cheese Field” and have to worry some .biz is gonna go under and not pay or have the team scrambling to line up new sponsorship to keep the bills paid.

  118. stellarperformance says: Aug 25, 2011 4:17 PM

    duece5 says: Aug 25, 2011 12:42 PM
    Been to a game there…..and I was pretty unimpressed. Nothing like pissing in a smelly trough with other “guys”…….I would hope they wouldn’t ask a penny from anyone for “renovating” a pisshole…..that’s what it was pure and simple. EXTREMELY OVERRATED!!!!!
    —————————————————————–

    This from a guy with the smelly nickname “duece”…and we should care for your fifteen year-old opinion? Please….don’t come back.

  119. minnysoda says: Aug 25, 2011 4:31 PM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:26 PM
    A lot of people are being high and mighty about not using public money for this expansion, but let’s remember that the major renovation in 2003 was funded by a massive tax hike in Brown County. This project is relatively minor and can’t be compared to building a new stadium. The Packers are paying for it because it makes good business sense. If the cost were more than the extra revenue would justify, they’d be running to the taxpayers to make up the difference.

    Wow a huge expense the sales tax went up from 5%-5.5% big ticket items like vehicles, for people who lived outside Brown county the sales tax didn’t apply.
    Yep criticize the Packers you moron. How much money do the Packers bring into the area. I would say it’s a pretty good investment Brown County made 12 years ago. Add another 70000 people into the area for the season. Yea how many other NFL team owners would not seek public assistance for a expansion for this size.
    Criticize you obvious fan of another team just give credit where credit is due.
    I just wish that the Vikes would follow the Packer way of doing things. The only Packer like thing the Vikes do is pick up their players that can’t help the Pack anymore. Or who are cancers for their team because of their selfishness or blaming other team mates for their inept play

  120. mikemccarthyisfat says: Aug 25, 2011 4:31 PM

    carl-
    dont try to act tough. 10s of thousands of people listened to a grown man cry like a bitch on the radio week after week as the packers sucked ass and the vikings rolled.

  121. mikemccarthyisfat says: Aug 25, 2011 4:32 PM

    stellarperformance-

    thats not what your wife told me. IALTO

  122. bmue42 says: Aug 25, 2011 4:44 PM

    just another day in wisconsin, badgers are headed to another rose bowl, brewers are at the very least going to nlcs if not series, the bucks…well nvm them, and the packers doing things the right way and winning championships

  123. stavreafavre says: Aug 25, 2011 4:45 PM

    Minnesota has the moon surface-like, cratered “Iron Range.” Wisconsin has scenic rolling hills. Wisconsin has a classic pro football stadium. Minnesota has a dingy patched-up play castle. Minnesota has a recent state government history – pro rasslers, shutdowns, Michele “Call me Nutsy” Bachmann – that Hollywood writers would be ashamed to make up. Minnesota has a San Francisco superiority complex and can’t understand why other people think it’s a joke, so it pretends not to care. We just smile as they sip their herbal tea with pinky fingers extended before loading up the minivan to vacation in God’s country.

  124. minnysoda says: Aug 25, 2011 4:45 PM

    Ratpee1 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 3:46 PM
    Minnesota vs Wisconsin.

    Minnesota is a Jaguar.

    Minnesota is like a fine wine. Minnesotans have a supreme IQ. Minnesota is like a fine suit.

    Minnesota is rich and wealthy. Minnesota is culturally sound.

    Minnesota has beautiful healthy people. Minnesota has nice people.

    Wisconsin is a Yugo. Wisconsin is cheap beer. Wisconsin is Huck Fin. Wisconsin is ripped jeans.

    Wisconsin is West Virginia with cold winters. Wisconsin breaks scales.
    =================================
    Minnesota counts 1 acre mudholes as lakes
    Culture to Minnesotans is Lutefisk and Ole and Lena Jokes
    Minnesota is so wonderful that their professional sports teams move ( how in hell do we lose a Hockey team)
    Minnesota Fans always have to bad mouth the Packers on threads that portray the Packers in superior light especially when it comes to their sucky stadium situation
    Wonderful nice Minnesota people are A$$E$ alot on PFT
    Minnesota fans have to be bribed to fill their stadium so their are no blackouts
    Minnesota people need a domed stadium because they are to big of wussies to endure an always disappointing (in the end) team out side
    Minnesotans blame there latest big Viking Failures on Wisconsinites because The Packers let Brint Go and they got screwed by him
    Minnesotans never have been able to celebrate a Superbowl victory unless they root for another team
    Scoreboard losers

  125. ruvelligwebuike says: Aug 25, 2011 5:01 PM

    Ratpee1 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 3:46 PM
    ” Minnesota vs Wisconsin.

    Minnesota is a Jaguar.

    Minnesota is like a fine wine. Minnesotans have a supreme IQ. Minnesota is like a fine suit.

    Minnesota is rich and wealthy. Minnesota is culturally sound.

    Minnesota has beautiful healthy people. Minnesota has nice people.

    Wisconsin is a Yugo. Wisconsin is cheap beer. Wisconsin is Huck Fin. Wisconsin is ripped jeans.

    Wisconsin is West Virginia with cold winters. Wisconsin breaks scales.”
    ———————–

    I’m going to give this guy credit. Despite the fact that it’s completely untrue, everyone needs a security blanket and a reason to live. And if I were Minnesotan, I doubt I could come up with a legit reason not to kill myself.

  126. favreblows says: Aug 25, 2011 5:26 PM

    Paul Hargis is an idiot.

  127. paulharghis says: Aug 25, 2011 5:52 PM

    It’s a shame that the Packers have to play in a glorified HS field. What other stadium has metal bleachers as the best seats in the house?

    They have to add on to this POS because just like Wrigley or Fenway, they can’t tear it down.

    It’s old and antiquated, but, for some idiotic reason, Packers fans think it;s a “shrine”.

    If they would ask for a new stadium, they would get turned down flat. But, if you want to add some more metal seats, by all means, “us owners” approve.

    Wisconsin, the Shemp of the 3 stooges.

  128. thephantomstranger says: Aug 25, 2011 6:21 PM

    minnysoda says:
    Aug 25, 2011 4:31 PM
    thephantomstranger says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:26 PM
    A lot of people are being high and mighty about not using public money for this expansion, but let’s remember that the major renovation in 2003 was funded by a massive tax hike in Brown County. This project is relatively minor and can’t be compared to building a new stadium. The Packers are paying for it because it makes good business sense. If the cost were more than the extra revenue would justify, they’d be running to the taxpayers to make up the difference.

    Wow a huge expense the sales tax went up from 5%-5.5% big ticket items like vehicles, for people who lived outside Brown county the sales tax didn’t apply.
    Yep criticize the Packers you moron. How much money do the Packers bring into the area. I would say it’s a pretty good investment Brown County made 12 years ago. Add another 70000 people into the area for the season. Yea how many other NFL team owners would not seek public assistance for a expansion for this size.
    Criticize you obvious fan of another team just give credit where credit is due.
    I just wish that the Vikes would follow the Packer way of doing things. The only Packer like thing the Vikes do is pick up their players that can’t help the Pack anymore. Or who are cancers for their team because of their selfishness or blaming other team mates for their inept play
    ___________

    If you’ll reread my comment, you’ll see that I didn’t say public dollars shouldn’t be used for the stadium. I have long advocated for partial public financing for stadiums because the public benefits from the stadium and the presence of the team. I didn’t criticize the Packers in any way (in this comment).

  129. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Aug 25, 2011 7:54 PM

    Nice timing, favreblows.

  130. welzy says: Aug 25, 2011 9:05 PM

    Why doesn’t Duece5 know how to spell Deuce? So stupid in so many ways.

    See, I have a 100-year Anniversary Harley-Davidson Softail Deuce. I love Harley so much I bought one share of stock. It sits in a frame on my wall and I smile and beam very time I see it. I don’t care if I will never make any money on it, I just love it as a reminder of what THAT team has meant to me. Should the Packers sell stock again, I will definitely buy one. Just to keep it on my wall. For obvious reasons.

  131. stellarperformance says: Aug 25, 2011 9:31 PM

    paulharghis says: Aug 25, 2011 5:52 PM
    Wisconsin, the Shemp of the 3 stooges.
    —————————————————————–

    So why do you live here? Are you a glutton for punishment? Being a Viking fan, it must be unbearable to be a football fan and have to endure;

    The Best Team
    The Best Quarterback
    The Best Venue
    The Best Tradition
    The Best History
    The Best (smartest) Fans
    The Best Coaches
    The Best Management
    (and even) The Best Uniforms

    We got it ALL!

    The sticks-and-rocks you guys throw are nothing but vacant hopes and wishes for something bad to befall us, while we kick back and enjoy it all. It must suck to be you. And (some) Minnesotans are still trying to tell anybody that will listen that things are uniquely different between these two states. Give it a rest already……cousin.

  132. stellarperformance says: Aug 25, 2011 9:42 PM

    Ratpee1 says: Aug 25, 2011 3:46 PM
    Minnesota vs Wisconsin.
    ————————————————————

    Yeah, I know lots of wealthy-healthy, suit-wearing, college-educated, wine-sippers that call themselves Rat Pee.

    Or is it Mr. Rat Pee Sir?

  133. bobnelsonjr says: Aug 25, 2011 10:43 PM

    The Green Bay Packers having the 4th largest stadium in the NFL is nice. It increases league revenue for everyone.

    No taxpayer subsidy is also nice.

    The fact that 80,000 people will be in the stadium in a city of 100,000 people is clearly a sign of the popularity of the local NFL franchise that predates the NFL.

    So why all the comments unrelated to the subject of this blog entry? I don’t understand why any good news about the Packers is so personally painful for those viking people!

    The vikling bozos cannot talk football because they lose every time.

    The Packers are the World Champions,
    and have been World Champions more than any other franchise by a wide margin.
    The vikings in 50 years have never been champions.

    Lambeau Field is the NFL’s most beautiful stadium and the oldest.
    The viklings lease expires at the end of the year and nobody knows where the vikings will play next year.

    Lambeau Field is sold out every year on a season ticket basis except for a few lottery tickets to give others a chance.
    The viklings have only sold out one game so far (the Packers game). Unless they sell more tickets all but one home game will be blacked out.

    The Packers do so much community and charity work that if they ever need anything the public is overwhelming in their response (clearing snow from the stadium or voting in a temporary tax).
    The viklings are not liked and they fear any public votes.

    Lambeau Field becoming 3rd or 4th largest stadium is a lot better than the vikings 28th sized arena or their “proposed” replacement 27th sized arena.

    Keeping the conversation to football, the vikings lose always. That’s why they talk nonfootball nonsense.

    It isn’t the Packers fault the viklings are so crummy so why do you vikling bozos always get so angry?

    Go win some Championships like the Lions before you open your mouths.

  134. supersuckers3 says: Aug 25, 2011 10:48 PM

    realitypolice says:
    Aug 25, 2011 3:35 PM
    sevensixtwonato says:
    Aug 25, 2011 12:07 PM
    I have always wanted to see a game there…this should make it easier to do so….good for them.
    =====================
    You can go to a game there any time you want.

    There are an average of over 2,000 tickets per game available priced as low as $105, including over 3,000 for the Viking game.

    In fact, there are 8 season ticket packages available on line right now.

    It’s not as hard to get into Lambeau Field as people would have you believe.
    ———————–

    Very true. Here is a little secret that I can let out now. Come Wednesday noontime the upcoming visitor must inform the packers how many of the allocated tickets will be used by the visiting teams. 5 out of the 8 games go with the visitors not using them all so they are released to the public via GBP ticket office and ticketmaster at face value. And they are some of the best seats in the house. noon wednesdays before a home game there is an estimated 45-60 minute window. It works. I have done it to attend and to profit many times.

  135. shaggytoodle says: Aug 26, 2011 1:04 AM

    Ratpee1 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 3:46 PM
    Minnesota vs Wisconsin.

    __________________

    Couldn’t help but notice you didn’t put anything in reguards to college or pro football teams.

    Speaking of cheap beer doesn’t Minny make Hamm’s not hating thats what I drink on a regular basis for cost effectiveness. I get a 30 pack for about 11$ instead of paying for all the ads that get run on TV.

  136. axespray says: Aug 26, 2011 2:19 AM

    buddybowl69 says:Aug 25, 2011 12:41 PM
    “Even though the Packers stopped my Eagles last year, I find it hard to hate them. They seem to be a class act all around. Now the fans, that’s a different story. Obnoxious is the best term I can use.”

    umm…. let’s see, sitting next to a bunch of blue collar people that are more than likely to let you eat before games during the tailgating or a bunch of drunk guys that smash your vehicle just cause you cheer for another team?

    Yeah, maybe we can learn to act “Classy” like eagle’s fans… especially when/if we have homefield and the Eagles have to come to “OUR” house. We’ll make sure to give their fans a “Classy” Eagle fan style welcome.
    (dresses up like one of those road warrior bikers)

  137. irishjackmp says: Aug 26, 2011 2:28 AM

    Ratpee1 says:Aug 25, 2011 3:46 PM

    Minnesota vs Wisconsin.

    Minnesota is a Jaguar.

    Minnesota is like a fine wine. Minnesotans have a supreme IQ. Minnesota is like a fine suit.

    Minnesota is rich and wealthy. Minnesota is culturally sound.

    Minnesota has beautiful healthy people. Minnesota has nice people.

    Wisconsin is a Yugo. Wisconsin is cheap beer. Wisconsin is Huck Fin. Wisconsin is ripped jeans.

    Wisconsin is West Virginia with cold winters. Wisconsin breaks scales.

    While not a Wisconsonite myself, I suspect those people in Packerland at least have the ability to spell a four letter word… it’s “Finn”, not “Fin” you idiot.

    Next time you want to come on to a website and brag about your states superior IQ, how about mastering the art of spelling those fancy four letter words, ok sport?

  138. hodag54501 says: Aug 26, 2011 9:00 AM

    IrishJackMP:
    One of the first things you are taught at a post-secondary school is that smart people don’t make generalities.
    Wisconsin and Minnesota are separated by the Mississippi River, but if you really look at each state, they are very similar in many ways.
    The worst winter I have experienced was during a year I lived in Minnesota.

    But some facts to point out:
    1)The Packers have won the Super Bowl,(4 times) when was the last time the Vikings did?
    2)The Packers play in a beloved stadium with a waiting list of at least 70 thousand fans. The team is expanding because so many people want to watch. The Vikings play in a deteriorating stadium that had to be “reinflated” last year. The public seems to have little interest in producing a new stadium.

    I could go on, but, why?

    Facts are wonderful things when making a logical argument. I’ll send you my bill.

  139. stvang says: Aug 26, 2011 2:41 PM

    Maybe this will put a dent in that 100k long season ticket waiting list.

    Sign up now and you may get your season tickets in time for your great great grandchildren.

  140. paulharghis says: Aug 26, 2011 7:21 PM

    umm…. let’s see, sitting next to a bunch of blue collar people that are more than likely to let you eat before games during the tailgating or a bunch of drunk guys that smash your vehicle just cause you cheer for another team
    ================================
    A$$spray:

    If PFT is any indication of how Packer fans act in a stadium, it’s no wonder you turds get treated like you do.
    I’m sure this fan that was ” just cheering for the other team” ran his loudmouth, forgot he wasn’t in 90,000 population GB, was in an actual city and got his just desserts.
    You see if you weren’t so brash, so quick to rub everything in peoples faces, maybe you could get along with other fans.
    My guess is the convo went a bit something like this:
    ( prior good natured banter)
    Eagles fan: remeber 4th and 26?
    Packer fan: So we are 13 time world champs, when is the last time you won a SB? Wait, what? Never!?!? Did I mention 13?
    Come back when you have a title.
    Eaagle fan: alright, ok. that’s enough.
    Packer fan: NO NO NO, I got ya…..ha haha ha!!!! Eagles suck.
    Eagles fans precede to find the cheesemobile in the parking lot and destroy it.- I don’t blame them.
    The miracle in all this is that it doesn’t happen more often. I found 3 or 4 incidences.
    Loudmouth, know nothing fans- you get what you ask for- quit crying about it.
    If your’re gonna run your mouth- shut up and pay the consequences.

  141. what da says: Aug 27, 2011 1:28 AM

    Ah… hello. The packers used tax payer money to pay for the last renovation….. No different than any other city. By the way, soon they will ask for “stock sales” to pay for this renovation. So… a bunch of packer rubes will cash in their 401k and savings to get worthless stock. No thanks!! I’d rather have a retirement, go on vacations and help my kids get a college education.

  142. stellarperformance says: Aug 27, 2011 7:37 AM

    paulharghis says: Aug 26, 2011 7:21 PM
    Eagles fans precede to find the cheesemobile in the parking lot and destroy it.- I don’t blame them.
    The miracle in all this is that it doesn’t happen more often. I found 3 or 4 incidences.
    —————————————————————-

    I think you’re lying. It’s just more of your typical wishful thinking. If you had “found” any incidences, they were performed by you. Your long-winded role-playing (above) seems to ramble a bit. Kick those empties out of the way and go make yourself some breakfast.

  143. paulharghis says: Aug 27, 2011 11:35 AM

    Dummy:

    Google Packer fights At:

    Arizona
    Meadowlands
    Chicago

    It’s all on the world wide web Stupid.

    I thought I taught you a lesson before.

    Why do you even ponder posting to me?

  144. stellarperformance says: Aug 27, 2011 12:24 PM

    paulharghis says: Aug 27, 2011 11:35 AM

    Dummy: Google Packer fights At:
    Arizona
    Meadowlands
    Chicago
    It’s all on the world wide web Stupid
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    THOSE!!!!! I thought you meant something you actually witnessed…not some some three year old repetitive videos of Packer fans defending themselves at away games against local drunks (who wouldn’t?)

    You try to make it sound as though there is some common-thread to Packer fans deserving to gets their asses kicked. But no…it’s just more wishful thinking on your part. Keep trying, you’re not there yet. You get a “A” for…..(fill in the blanks.)

  145. ruvelligwebuike says: Aug 27, 2011 12:43 PM

    @hargis-

    I just googled “Viking Fan Fight.” It brought up a YouTube video that was supposed to be Redskins vs Vikings Fan Fight. Of course, it was a fight between two Redskins fans. I mean, come on. A Minnesotan standing his ground and backing up his mouth? A Viking fan that can deliver?

    That’s like finding a unicorn. That’s why Vikings fans trash cars, light teenage girl’s hair on fire and are no one you want to mess with… on the internet.

  146. packerzman says: Aug 27, 2011 2:38 PM

    Ratpee1 says:Aug 25, 2011 3:46 PM

    Minnesota vs Wisconsin.

    Minnesota is a Jaguar.

    Minnesota is like a fine wine. Minnesotans have a supreme IQ. Minnesota is like a fine suit.

    Minnesota is rich and wealthy. Minnesota is culturally sound.

    Minnesota has beautiful healthy people. Minnesota has nice people.

    Wisconsin is a Yugo. Wisconsin is cheap beer. Wisconsin is Huck Fin. Wisconsin is ripped jeans.

    Wisconsin is West Virginia with cold winters. Wisconsin breaks scales.

    WTF are you talking about??
    WOW thanks for enlightening the entire nation of how different 2 states can be that border each other and demographically are identical to one another in every way imagineable. I believe you forgot the main difference between the 2 states regarding their respective football teams..
    Wisconsin is completely enamored with their football team and will follow and support them through wins and losses basically due to the long historic tradition that is Packers football..which includes their historic stadium which most people agree is the best place to watch football in the league.
    Minnesota follows a team that over the course of the last several years has become so desperate chasing championships it has signed free agent after free agent trying to capture “lightning in a bottle” and win their 1st championship..they realize that their love fest for their team starts at Target Field to watch the Twins and that their owner has one step out the door after the people of the great state of MN. has basically told him that they dont and wont pay for a new stadium to keep their 3rd favorite team in town.

  147. paulharghis says: Aug 29, 2011 4:02 PM

    THOSE!!!!! I thought you meant something you actually witnessed…not some some three year old repetitive videos of Packer fans defending themselves at away games against local drunks (who wouldn’t?)

    ==============================
    The thing of it is stupid, Packer fans wouldn’t “have to defend themselves” if they didn’t run their idiotic mouthes.

    You can get away with that crap in Lambeau- you have the numbers there. It’s just when you travel that you get yourselves into trouble.

    Ruvell: Again that car trashing happened in Philly, get that through your idiotic head.

    I’ve never seen anywhere where Vikings fans started a girls hair on fire.

    I have seen Packer fans knfing a Vikes fan after a loss. I have seen a father duct taping a son because he that the gall to wear a Vikes Favre jersey…I have seen a video of Packer fans harassing a Viking fan on a metro train.

    Again, it’s no wonder when you leave this pathetic state, you get your a$$es handed to you.
    Of course that happens on here verbally as well.

  148. minnysoda says: Aug 29, 2011 9:55 PM

    Hey let me know if any tickets get reduced by 50% for the 1st 2 Packer home games like they do at the metrodome for Vikings game.Then at least I can see 2 good teams instead of just the away team.

  149. elgaffo says: Aug 31, 2011 10:49 AM

    So… a bunch of packer rubes will cash in their 401k and savings to get worthless stock. No thanks!! I’d rather have a retirement, go on vacations and help my kids get a college education.

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    sorry, but if you’re cashing a 401K and deneying your kids a college education so you can buy a 400$ stock…I’d say put away more $$ and pick a better college for your kids.

  150. footballfan15 says: Aug 31, 2011 6:42 PM

    “If it wasn’t for us rubes buying all that worthless stock, we more than likely wouldn’t have a team, let alone a team with 13 championships.”
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    Hmmm….yeah. 13 Championships. Nine of which came with 10-12 teams in the league. That’s like the Montreal Canadians (or any of the Original Six) bragging about all of their championships back in the day. Really? Those really shouldn’t count when you are talking nowadays. That’s why you hear about Super Bowl wins….those are more revelant.

  151. footballfan15 says: Aug 31, 2011 6:57 PM

    minnesconsin says:
    Aug 25, 2011 2:37 PM

    “As a MN resident, I believe the Vikings are an asset to the state, not just to the twin cities, and certainly not just to Ramsey county. The sales tax increase should be born by the entire state — but, it’s my opinion that Ziggy and Dayton should allow this to go the public for a vote, with the understanding ahead of time that this is not just a vote on a stadium, but essentially a vote on whether the Vikings stay in MN, because that’s what it’s come down to. Pay it, or watch them leave. Give the entire state an ultimatum and let them respond.”
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    I agree. I think the term is called “Put Up or Shut Up”. If they won’t pass the increase for the new stadium, then MN can watch the Vikings move, probably to LA. And those people that would argue against public funding, you will lose, along with the businesses around the area, sales and taxes that could’ve been collected.

    I don’t like the idea of teams moving around, but If you cannot compete in your business where you are, maybe it IS time to move to greener pastures. Unless you want football to become financially like baseball…

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