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What we learned: Thursday night (Preseason Week Three)

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America’s longest running and highest rated preseason recap post is back for another week.

Bengals 24, Panthers 13

1. On a list of problems for the Panthers, Cam Newton’s quarterback play is fairly low.  Their defense was steamrolled by the Bengals and the offensive line couldn’t protect Newton, who did have some impressive runs.

2. Teams are going to run on Carolina’s questionable front seven until they stop someone.

3. Bengals rookie Andy Dalton’s numbers were strong and the Bengals starters racked up 24 points in one half. We continue to worry about Dalton’s vertical passing; he missed A.J. Green open deep a few times.  Still, this was a confidence builder for Dalton.

4. Green was the best rookie on the field.  The Bengals got a keeper with their rookie receiver.

5. Michael Johnson has been a terror for the Bengals rushing the passer this preseason.  He worked D’Brickashaw Ferguson last week, and this time it was Jordan Gross.  A former Pro Bowler, Gross has struggled all month.

Eagles 24, Browns 14

1. The Eagles offensive line struggled to protect Michael Vick, but Philly still led 17-0 at halftime against a banged-up Browns team. Vick only threw for 98 yards on 18 attempts.

2. Philadelphia’s defensive line and secondary both showed off their depth Thursday with strong outings.  It was especially impressive against a Browns offense that had been hot.

3. Cleveland’s first round pick Phil Taylor dominated up front at defensive tackle. A good sign for the Browns on a dreary night.

4. LeSean was the dominant McCoy.  The Eagles back caught seven passes for 69 yards. He’s quietly in line for a monster year.

Ravens 34, Redskins 31

1. Rex Grossman got more meaningful time with the starters than John Beck.  They both finished strong after shaky starts, handling Baltimore’s blitzes well. Not a decisive victory either way.

2. Washington’s running game and Tim Hightower was the story once again.  Hightower scampered for a 37-yard touchdown, capping a strong preseason run.  (The starters won’t play much next week.)

3. Baltimore rookie wideout Torrey Smith keeps dropping passes.  It’s a good thing Baltimore traded for Lee Evans, who pulled in a 35-yard score on a go route.

4. The Ravens’ entire starting offense doesn’t look quite ready for the season despite the final score. There were lot of communication problems on the offensive line.  Somewhere, the Steelers were watching and smiling.

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  1. groundpounder95 says: Aug 25, 2011 11:43 PM

    Peyton Hillis was playing hurt too…he was shredding the eagles linebackers.

  2. cheezysmegma says: Aug 25, 2011 11:44 PM

    What? Cam is not the next coming of Peyton Manning? Who would have imagined that!

  3. trbowman says: Aug 25, 2011 11:46 PM

    As a Cardinals fan, I’m praying they start Newton week one.

  4. invisman52 says: Aug 25, 2011 11:46 PM

    We also learned that members of the national media–including PFT–vastly underrated the Redskins. We learned that Mike Shanahan, who has multiple Super Bowl rings, knows more about football than national pundits who have never coached, evaluated, or played the game. We also learned that the Redskins have a shot to win the Wild Card.

    Oh, we also learned the Ravens offensive line is very shaky. We learned the Redskins defense is vastly improved over last year. We also learned that the Redskins can move the ball with Grossman OR Beck,

  5. YouMadCauseImStylingOnYou says: Aug 25, 2011 11:47 PM

    5. Ray Lewis is the best commentator on ESPN

  6. melonnhead says: Aug 25, 2011 11:50 PM

    1. The Eagles offensive line struggled to protect Michael Vick, but Philly still led 17-0 at halftime against a banged-up Browns team. Vick only threw for 98 yards on 18 attempts.

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    And fumbled twice, and still struggled recognizing blitzes.

  7. ripseantaylor214life says: Aug 25, 2011 11:52 PM

    Wow the Redskins-Ravens Game is easily the best preseason game I’ve ever seen!!! Even though we lost Im very proud of the way our starters performed today!!

  8. osnap305 says: Aug 25, 2011 11:57 PM

    We also learned that the NFL will punish a defense for good quarterback pressures. (Eagles 24, Browns 14)

  9. fatfreddystubbs says: Aug 25, 2011 11:57 PM

    We also learned that you can have a game between two teams 30 miles apart, both of which feature cities with some really, really tough neighborhoods and genuinely tough guys living in them, yet not have complete mayhem in the stands and parking lot. Kudos to Baltimore and DC fans (and gangsters) for knowing what sports are all about.

    California, this is your problem.

  10. mrcogburn says: Aug 25, 2011 11:58 PM

    Redskins fans, abandon all hope when ye enter the regular season. This is but a mirage.

  11. cmonmanzz says: Aug 25, 2011 11:59 PM

    I’m a little doubtful about this kid Torrey Smith. Meanwhile, and although we haven’t seen a lot, Lee Evans looks great!

  12. duncanthecat says: Aug 26, 2011 12:00 AM

    Tell it like it is….Watkins and Dunlup on the Eagles line are serviceable at best.

  13. unbiased8383 says: Aug 26, 2011 12:01 AM

    I learned that Redskin fans think the preseason is an omen for how their season is going to be.

  14. cincybert says: Aug 26, 2011 12:01 AM

    Bengals RB Bernard Scott (fantasy sleeper alert), when healthy, has the ability to make NFL defenders look flat-footed. Six carries for over 60 yards in the first half against the Panthers first string D including a TD.

  15. doe22us says: Aug 26, 2011 12:02 AM

    You must be kidding me its quite clear that Grossman will get the call as the Skins starting QB week 1, also yeah the Ravens were a little bit shaky at first but shook the rust off later on.

  16. bmmayhew says: Aug 26, 2011 12:04 AM

    We also learned that this is preseason, and not likely reflective of how teams will play in the regular season.

  17. cincybert says: Aug 26, 2011 12:09 AM

    trbowman says:
    Aug 25, 2011 11:46 PM
    As a Cardinals fan, I’m praying they start Newton week one.

    ________________________________

    Don’t worry trbowman, sometimes an unanswered prayer is the best thing. Jimmy Clausen is the Panthers #2 quarterback.

  18. Umar says: Aug 26, 2011 12:11 AM

    I think Dalton really would be good if he got to sit for a year or so. He is being forced to start now because the Bengals think they can win now. If they sit him his rookie year and let him learn, maybe they’d have a franchise qb.

  19. jdandcoke says: Aug 26, 2011 12:15 AM

    i learned one thing and re-affirmed another:

    the skins might actually be a pain in the rear this year

    and yes, as i was pretty much sure of, the eagles o-line DOES stink.

  20. dallassux says: Aug 26, 2011 12:16 AM

    The eagles will still be better than the Cowboys despite their slow preseason

  21. gi141 says: Aug 26, 2011 12:20 AM

    @melonnhead: And threw a pick that was negated by a questionable ‘roughing the passer’ penalty.

    I’m not sure I saw Hillis shredding LBs, he had one nice run on their first series where Mathews got blocked and never got a hand on Hillis, but I don’t recall anything spectacular after that. I don’t think the Browns had many 1st downs in the 1st half, so not much shredding going on there. I’ll take a 2nd look and see if I just missed it.

    The Redskins look very solid to me. 3 games, 3 times I’ve seen them compete at a high level, play hard, and execute on both sides of the ball. Strong running game and Defense will get them a better than .500 record, I believe. How much better will probably depend on QB play. I wouldn’t sleep on them. All it took was dumping Portis, Haynesworth, and McNabb.

  22. bdert says: Aug 26, 2011 12:22 AM

    With an entire offseason of film for D Coordinators…Mike Vick will less effective…

  23. freedomispopular says: Aug 26, 2011 12:22 AM

    Since when did this become America’s longest running and highest rated preseason recap?

  24. iamgoodkid says: Aug 26, 2011 12:23 AM

    i learned that the ravens and redskins will make the superbowl this year

  25. paulbrownsrevenge says: Aug 26, 2011 12:25 AM

    The Eagles Offensive line looked terrible. Vick was under constant pressure from 4 man rushes.

    Philly’s offensive line and their soft linebackers will keep then from the lombardi once again.

    anyone see Hillis’ first carry?? 8 yards behind Joe Thomas and he flattened an Eagles linebacker.

  26. agentcharlescarmichael says: Aug 26, 2011 12:26 AM

    I’ve been wanting to think our o-line is ok (eagles) every fan of every team is believing of every aspect of their team, the left side of our line is one of the best in the league, but when you have the right side as confused as they are, it’s tough to watch. That being said, Danny Watkins improved through the game and will only get better, got to remember the guy is a rookie with the shadows of the lockout still looming with the shortened camp. But RT, we need something. Ryan Harris needs to get back in there quick. Dunlap is a building, but buildings often don’t move. Justice hasn’t shown much. Our right side has been atrocious, i think we’ll get it figured out though, Kolb just wouldn’t and didn’t survive at qb for us, probably most of the reason Kolb was dealt even with no clarity of who the backup was going to be, even though we still got a very good player back for him. Vick erases so many mistakes that o-line makes it’s unbelievable, he wont last half the season at this rate, it’s f*cked up to watch. Any qb back there in the pocket for that matter whether it be Vick, Young, or Kafka. I believe they’ll get it fixed though.

  27. hendawg21 says: Aug 26, 2011 12:31 AM

    We also learned…

    Talk bad about Grossman all you want but he has done something that neither the starting QB’s for philly and Dallas has done and thats take a team to the Superbowl

  28. ilovefoolsball says: Aug 26, 2011 12:31 AM

    Cam will make impressive runs with his legs until they get broken from running too much.

    BULLSEYE

  29. kashonly says: Aug 26, 2011 12:36 AM

    Santana Moss isn’t getting much love from anyone except Grossman.

  30. jacksaysfu says: Aug 26, 2011 12:41 AM

    @melonhead….Stop worrying about us (division champs) , instead go worry about your 3rd place 6-10 team. Your just a hater , a SCARED hater !

  31. zaavonb says: Aug 26, 2011 12:47 AM

    first off that fumble was our rookie center fault and picking up blitzes its preseason thats not our oline dummy dunlap kelce is not going to be starting for us

  32. jacksaysfu says: Aug 26, 2011 12:49 AM

    Philly didn’t play their best and still shut the red hot (before this gm) Browns offense out 17-0 . They made mistakes and still dominated all facets of the game . The Eagles are gonna be great this yr and im gonna have a field day on all you haters.

  33. valman61 says: Aug 26, 2011 1:03 AM

    Invisman:

    I know you’re looking for some positives to draw on with your team, but to get that much off of a preseason game is optimistic at best. Insane at worst. Well see week one how much of that is true.

  34. tommytd says: Aug 26, 2011 1:19 AM

    Washington won’t even smell the playoffs with Grossman as their starter…remember where you heard it…right here!

  35. melonnhead says: Aug 26, 2011 1:25 AM

    Anybody want to talk about Reid’s 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for throwing the challenge flag on a TD play? New rule, fat boy. All scoring plays are subject to review only by a special replay assistant in the booth UNLESS your dumbass coach throws a challenge flag, at which point it becomes an automatic UC penalty and any review is dropped. Now why didn’t you know that, Andy Reid?

  36. eacuna05 says: Aug 26, 2011 1:29 AM

    We learned Vick is overrated. Everywhere you turn: Vick this, Vick that. The guy is good at running but doesn’t show in games that count (the playoffs). I think he will sorely disappoint this year and not live up to his expensive 1 year deal.

  37. pdxpanther says: Aug 26, 2011 2:15 AM

    Why teams draft a QB with accuracy problems in the first round, I will never know. I would have preferred AJ Green or Dareus. Cam just doesn’t look the part to me.

  38. timasahh says: Aug 26, 2011 2:15 AM

    Did anyone learn that preseason means nothing?

  39. hailvictory10 says: Aug 26, 2011 2:19 AM

    I know pretty much 90% of the people here hate on the Skins….BUT, Mike Shanahan is building something in DC

    Not signing every free agent superstar and has been

    Coach is taking a team of young players and players “dissed” by other teams…he is building a a TEAM, and a TEAM for the future

    yes, we may win 6-8 games this year, BUT… in a couple years, we will dominate again.

    tick-tock, tick tock NFC, Skins ARE coming!

    HAIL TO THE REDSKINS

  40. crunchyclam says: Aug 26, 2011 2:24 AM

    5. Michael Johnson has been a terror for the Bengals rushing the passer this preseason. He worked D’Brickashaw Ferguson last week…
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    What game were you watching? Here are Johnson’s stats for the Jets game: 2 tackles, 1 solo, 0 sacks, 0 QB hits. His stats for the Lions game were 1 QB hit, 0’s in everything else. Are you sure you know the meaning of ‘terror’ and ‘worked’?

  41. bowens3181 says: Aug 26, 2011 2:50 AM

    Right the Redskins are Wild Card contenders because they are doing decently. Never mind the fact that they’re still the worst team in their division and have a greater chance of winning the Andrew Luck sweepstakes then a playoff birth.

  42. rjkilla says: Aug 26, 2011 2:57 AM

    since when did 3 pre season starts make or break a rookie qb’s career?

  43. keeponhating says: Aug 26, 2011 3:18 AM

    @invisman52
    ok but did you know that mike “ratface” shanahan was caught over the salary cap the years the broncos won the superbowls?

  44. darthvader89 says: Aug 26, 2011 3:18 AM

    The last point on Baltimore in this piece is BS, the OL had “communication issues” because it only started two of the guys who will actually be in the starting line when the season gets here. Yanda, McKinney and Birk all did not play.

  45. antmings says: Aug 26, 2011 3:27 AM

    What we also learned is that redskin fans still dnt understand that if this was the regular season the ravens wud hav had a GAMEPLAN in place that wud hav taken advantage of that horrible oline and those short wr…redskins always win in the preseason but neva show up when it counts

  46. wiscnsnpatfan says: Aug 26, 2011 3:43 AM

    Just finished watching highlights of the eagles game…vick was getting hammered. They’d better straighten out that Oline, quick, or all the posters who predicted that vick won’t last long will be proven right.

  47. k2vk says: Aug 26, 2011 4:53 AM

    There is no way skins are making wildcard…look for them to come from nfc North and South this year…skins will be lucky to finish 3rd in div!

  48. egetto says: Aug 26, 2011 5:56 AM

    Not penciling in the redskins for the wildcard just yet, but they look much better than expected. Or the ravens look much worse than expected. Or, it is August.

  49. joeflaccosunibrow says: Aug 26, 2011 6:04 AM

    @cheezy, Mannong started day 1 and stunk up the joint his first year. Now he’s a beast, and quite a looker! LMAO!

  50. mushin9 says: Aug 26, 2011 6:55 AM

    We also learned that members of the national media–including PFT–vastly underrated the Redskins. We learned that Mike Shanahan, who has multiple Super Bowl rings, knows more about football than national pundits who have never coached, evaluated, or played the game. We also learned that the Redskins have a shot to win the Wild Card.
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    We’ve apparently also learned that football deprived fans of a team that has strung together multiple losing seasons vastly over-rate the preseason.

    I’m not saying the redskins are going to be terrible. Hightower looks good, but you just made the second largest blunder a fan can make. One is, never get in a land war in Asia. But second is never judge a team by it’s pre-season performance.

  51. therealsmiley says: Aug 26, 2011 7:10 AM

    Skins will be tough this year….will that convert to wins? If Beck can lead this offense. Grossman will start the season, Beck will finish. It’s a much younger team and they’re hungry, and that’s nice to see, finally. Hail!

  52. clw1906 says: Aug 26, 2011 7:12 AM

    invisman52 I totally agree with. It’s funny to hear these experts all of a sudden say how these QBs can win and how much better the D is when ESPN had the nerve to have a poll asking if the Skins would be the worst team in the league.

  53. notrelated says: Aug 26, 2011 7:14 AM

    “Peyton Hillis was playing hurt too…he was shredding the eagles linebackers.”

    lol, no he wasn’t.

  54. Move Them Chains says: Aug 26, 2011 7:29 AM

    invisman52 says:
    Aug 25, 2011 11:46 PM
    We also learned that members of the national media–including PFT–vastly underrated the Redskins. We learned that Mike Shanahan, who has multiple Super Bowl rings, knows more about football than national pundits who have never coached, evaluated, or played the game. We also learned that the Redskins have a shot to win the Wild Card.

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    Calm down there buddy. Yes, the Redskins won the pre-season championship but when other teams start playing it will be the same ol’ redskins. 5-11.

  55. spunjmunke says: Aug 26, 2011 7:32 AM

    I also learned that if you have a 100% clean hit on a QB, you’ll still get stuck with a 15-yrd roughing penalty because the refs want to “err on the side of caution” (as it was reported on the local Browns broadcast).

  56. karlpilkington says: Aug 26, 2011 7:36 AM

    We also learned that members of the national media–including PFT–vastly underrated the Redskins. We learned that Mike Shanahan, who has multiple Super Bowl rings, knows more about football than national pundits who have never coached, evaluated, or played the game. We also learned that the Redskins have a shot to win the Wild Card.

    Oh, we also learned the Ravens offensive line is very shaky. We learned the Redskins defense is vastly improved over last year. We also learned that the Redskins can move the ball with Grossman OR Beck,

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    I could not have said it better myself. This is not the same old Redskins. That was a great game to watch and I as a skins fan am just fine with everyone in the league and the media still thinking that these are the same old skins so maybe we can sneak up on a few teams.

  57. raven410 says: Aug 26, 2011 7:46 AM

    Ravens weren’t crisp on offense in the 1st quarter…but don’t be fooled! 3 starters on the O-line did not play. They’ll be ready for the Steelers week 1.

  58. cardiovascularendurance says: Aug 26, 2011 7:48 AM

    Peyton Hillis was “shredding” the Eagles LBs…. for 18 yards.

  59. pspring63 says: Aug 26, 2011 7:48 AM

    Also, we learned that the Browns are on a straight rail to Indianapolis next February. Well, at least .500 isn’t out of the question this season. Go Browns!

  60. ldenne says: Aug 26, 2011 7:51 AM

    As a Steelers fan, I’m hoping Flacco doesn’t get hurt.

  61. cbass59 says: Aug 26, 2011 7:56 AM

    Uh oh browns fans, your season of hope is almost over.

    Hiring Homgren is like putting lipstick on a pig.

  62. stealersfannot says: Aug 26, 2011 8:00 AM

    What we learned is that Ron Jaworski was used by Cam Cameron to spread the lie that “Joe Flacco audibles about 48% of the plays.”

    I’m not sure why that little factoid or the fact that Jaworski repeated it on national TV was found to be strange by Gruden.

    Anyone that’s been watching Flacco for the last 3 years knows that it’s a flatout lie, and one of the biggest gripes against him AND Cameron. I mean unless he’s audibling telepathically?

    This coordinator’s playcalling is as uninspiring, uncreative, predictable and frustrating as the last three years.

  63. pspring63 says: Aug 26, 2011 8:13 AM

    Hey SeaBass, lipstick on Holmgren sure looks better than a steamy turd on Phil Savage’s chin

  64. ibeshane says: Aug 26, 2011 8:17 AM

    I wonder if Michael Irivin still thinks Cam Newton is under paid? What a Jack Wagon!

  65. cardiovascularendurance says: Aug 26, 2011 8:22 AM

    spunjmunke- I couldn’t agree more. That was the worst personal foul call I’ve ever seen. How are these guys supposed to play defense when they’re getting flagged on plays like that?!?

  66. bullboy1 says: Aug 26, 2011 8:26 AM

    “Peyton Hillis was playing hurt too…he was shredding the eagles linebackers”

    lmao did you watch the game? Hillis wasn’t hurt and he hardly “shredded” the Eagles linebackers, you people are just trying to find any little reason to hate on the Eagles. U mad bro?

  67. whatwouldlombardido says: Aug 26, 2011 8:30 AM

    We learned that a woman on the sidelines at the end of a pre-season game doesn’t mean as much to Ray Lewis as a punt return.
    We learned that the Redskins D is gonna come early and stay late and make life miserable for Vick, Romo and Eli-I’m Tom Brady b!tch-Manning.

  68. lifelongbrownsfan says: Aug 26, 2011 8:47 AM

    cardiovascularendurance says:

    Peyton Hillis was “shredding” the Eagles LBs…. for 18 yards.

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    On THREE (3) rushes. 18 yards on 3 rushes. I’ll take that average over the course of an entire game ANY day.

    Browns got HOSED on a flagrant abuse of “flag throwing” when D’Qwell Jackson was penalized for a hit on Vick. Replays showed Jackson clearly targeting the chest, but because it appeared Vick’s helmet got grazed, they through the flag. Incidental contact is not supposed to be flagged in these situations. What’s worse, the flag negated a good interception by Mike Adams.

    Sure hope the Browns can find some time to heal. Too many starters on offense and defense are already banged up. Thank you, lockout.

  69. melonnhead says: Aug 26, 2011 8:50 AM

    I also learned that if you have a 100% clean hit on a QB, you’ll still get stuck with a 15-yrd roughing penalty because the refs want to “err on the side of caution” (as it was reported on the local Browns broadcast).

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    Vick’s a cash cow for the NFL now. The refs will protect him like a Brady or a P.Manning.

  70. groundpounder95 says: Aug 26, 2011 9:01 AM

    peyton had a few decent gains. and a few niced catches……again he was playing with a “neck” injury. how did u like vick getting tossed like a ragdoll and fumble by the big 92? yeah that was fun to watch. also browns playing without 5 key players. please tell me how great the dream team is because it is going to blow up in your face. i like all of the fair weather eagles fans run their mouths. should be called the dirty birds based on the filth of this city.

  71. groundpounder95 says: Aug 26, 2011 9:04 AM

    cardiovascular……..exactly. vick was getting personal foul calls to make up for his great blitz pick up skills as he throws an int. and nhamdi getting a bs call too.

  72. RussianBreadMaker says: Aug 26, 2011 9:06 AM

    raven410 says:

    Ravens weren’t crisp on offense in the 1st quarter…but don’t be fooled! 3 starters on the O-line did not play. They’ll be ready for the Steelers week 1.

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    That’s funny, London Fletcher, Laron Landry, and Adam Carriker were out as well.

    Call it even.

  73. cowboyhater says: Aug 26, 2011 9:38 AM

    We also learned that the Ravens fans will be very disappointed this year with a very mediocre team. Oh wait, maybe not since they play in a pathetic division. Way to go Flacco against the skins second defense. Hey Ravens fan, stop making excuses why the Redskins 1’s, outplayed your #1’s.

  74. bhindenemylines says: Aug 26, 2011 9:56 AM

    We also learned…

    Talk bad about Grossman all you want but he has done something that neither the starting QB’s for philly and Dallas has done and thats take a team to the Superbowl

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    No, I’m pretty sure it was the Bears D that took that team to the Superbowl.

  75. simplesimon1 says: Aug 26, 2011 10:31 AM

    I learned that you legitimately are not allowed to touch QB’s at all anymore. In the Eagles game, there was a blitz and as Vick threw up an INT he was hit simultaneously. It wasn’t vicious and it wasn’t late. He didn’t go to the head either. 15 yard penalty and first down. Brutal…..I hope the NFL isn’t going to be decided by things like this all year. Every game somebody is going to be labeled “dirty” when in reality, it’s just normal football.

  76. raven410 says: Aug 26, 2011 10:39 AM

    Russianbreadmaker- I’m not making excuses for the Ravens…they still won the game. Simply saying that if people think the Ravens are going to get blown out in week 1..they are fools. The Ravens will be ready week 1 period

  77. melonnhead says: Aug 26, 2011 10:52 AM

    I wonder if Michael Irivin still thinks Cam Newton is under paid? What a Jack Wagon!

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    Newton’s passer rating is higher than Vick’s, and Vick is set to make $15 million this season. Is Newton more underpaid than Vick is overpaid?

  78. cbass59 says: Aug 26, 2011 11:08 AM

    What name did Tony Grossi give for this Brown’s season? “Expansion again”?

  79. simplesimon1 says: Aug 26, 2011 11:34 AM

    “Talk bad about Grossman all you want but he has done something that neither the starting QB’s for philly and Dallas has done and thats take a team to the Superbowl”

    I actually am not a Grossman hater. I don’t think they gave him a lot of help at receiver in Chicago. That being said, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Grossman that pulled out the Superbowl trip. It was stellar defense, great special teams and Kyle Orton winning all the important games for the team down the stretch during their run.

  80. madd5555likesthedudes says: Aug 26, 2011 9:42 PM

    I learned that Andy Reid looks more like a disgusting fatbody when he is wet…

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