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Belichick was wired by NFL Films for full season in 2009

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On September 15, a new two-part series focusing on Patriots coach Bill Belchick will debut on NFL Network.

And here’s the kicker.  For Bill Belichick:  A Football Life, the ultra-secretive Patriots coach was wired for sound for an entire season — 2009 — by NFL Films.  He’s the first person ever to constantly be equipped with a microphone for the full football campaign.

“Bill Belichick doesn’t only make history — he studies it; he understands his place in it; and he appreciates our desire to capture it,” NFL Films President Steve Sabol said in a news release.  “Like Vince Lombardi’s Packers in 1967, Belichick and the Patriots gave us access to his football life and what we created is a portrait of the coach, the father, the taskmaster — and most importantly — the man.”

The show could go a long way toward helping people understand one of the most misunderstood men in football.  Though partly deserved based on his flat, guarded demeanor, often talking like a teenager who is self-conscious about the braces on his teeth, Belichick privately is regarded as being friendly, warm, and at times very funny.

“It is beyond measure what NFL Films has done to promote football, preserve its history and entertain generations of us who love the game,” Belichick said.  “When the legendary coach of the NFL Films team, Steve Sabol, approached us about capturing our 50th anniversary season in 2009, it was an honor to participate.”

It’s odd that Belichick would agree to do it, given that it’s widely assumed that he’d never allow the NFL Films cameras and microphones into training camp for the popular Hard Knocks series on HBO.  (Maybe, if NFL Films’ new look at him is well received, he’ll reconsider.)

“This documentary would not have been possible without the support of Robert and Jonathan Kraft and the entire Patriots organization,” Howard Katz, Senior Vice President NFL Media and COO of NFL Films, said.  “Mr. Kraft is always searching for new ways to bring the fans closer to the game and this project was a perfect collaboration between the Patriots and NFL Films.”

The two-part episode on Belichick represents the first installment of a new series, which will feature shows focusing on the late Reggie White and Jerome Brown, Kurt Warner, and Walter Payton.

We’ve got a feeling that Steve will need to clear out space for more Emmys on his shelf.

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73 Responses to “Belichick was wired by NFL Films for full season in 2009”
  1. medtxpack says: Aug 29, 2011 5:37 PM

    NFL films was finally able to get Lombardi to allow the cameras to follow him after they sold him on the fact that they would, “make him the John Wayne of the NFL”

    Sabol went on to say they used the line on every coach since for as long as they can remember. Wonder if they still use that line…

  2. towniesman says: Aug 29, 2011 5:37 PM

    We in New England are extremely happy he’s our coach an can’t wait to see this piece. The Sabol’s are great at these type of series

  3. melonnhead says: Aug 29, 2011 5:39 PM

    You misspelled “cheater” like about a dozen times.

  4. ampats says: Aug 29, 2011 5:44 PM

    This will be great TV ! I enjoyed Hard Knocks NY Jets and BB upclose will be very interesting.
    I would be curious if they will show post game handshake, especially the 28-21 hug.

    BB was great when he was miked up on NFLN.

  5. Soulman45 says: Aug 29, 2011 5:45 PM

    What a idea the way to go it should be great.

  6. boisestatewhodat says: Aug 29, 2011 5:45 PM

    Would love to hear what he was saying while the Saints were pounding his team into oblivion!

  7. flagstaffphotos says: Aug 29, 2011 5:46 PM

    “The show could go a long way toward helping people understand one of the most misunderstood men in football”.

    – Are you referring to the most heavily fined cheater in NFL history? No – we understand him quite well, thank you.

  8. citizenstrange says: Aug 29, 2011 5:48 PM

    Is this the same sweet, warm , friendly guy who in 2007 said “F.U.” (not my term but commonly acknowledged as what he did) to the whole league by running up the score as much as possible, whenever possible but when he lost cowardly ran off the field before the Super Bowl ended?

    Every now and then seemingly against all odds a punk gets his comeuppance and the entire NFL (outside of the Patriots) rejoiced at the Giants Super Bowl win.

  9. CKL says: Aug 29, 2011 5:51 PM

    ampats

    It was the 09 season, so no 28-21 debacle.
    BB has allowed a pretty big time all access book to be written about him (Education of a Coach) and his team’s 02-03 season (Patriot Reign) plus a fairly poignant father’s day tv piece by Jennifer Allen so I’m not THAT surprised. It simply denotes the level of trust and respect he has for the Sabols just like it did for the other parties.

    melonnhead, your SB winning HC was the same type of “cheater”, so stop it. I guess you missed Jimmy’s defense of BB though where he admitted it. Go educate yourself.

  10. 1bbfan says: Aug 29, 2011 5:55 PM

    As much as it pains me to say this … Belichick is probably one of the best football coachs ever to coach the game. Parcels would never have won the Suberbowl against the Bills without him. He never won one without him. I look forward to watching this… too bad Buffalo didnt take him when the Browns left town… We probably would be 4-0 in the SuperBowls.

  11. dayumyou says: Aug 29, 2011 5:56 PM

    Okay read the headline and was like Whoa…THAT explains a lot…..however after reading the article I’m puzzled because where I’m from ‘wired’ takes on a whole other meaning.

  12. xtb3 says: Aug 29, 2011 5:58 PM

    wonder uf they will show the confusion of him and brady when they went for it on 4th and 2 on their own 28 up 6 points with just over 2 minutes left in the game against indianapolis????????

  13. gregjennings85 says: Aug 29, 2011 5:58 PM

    “I don’t care what it takes, Rick, GET THAT WALK-THRU FOOTAGE!!”

    (Turns to cameramen and smiles as if he didn’t know they were there)

  14. gregjennings85 says: Aug 29, 2011 6:00 PM

    18-1*

  15. Pat MyHog says: Aug 29, 2011 6:14 PM

    Haters will hate. Just recognize he’s the greatest coach in the modern nfl and be done with it. Any team would switch coaches instantly with Patriots. People will say 18-1* but at least he had balls to go for an undefeated season unlike the colts and manning face. The cheating thing is a stain only because of sh*t stains like melonhead will always bring it up to make themselves feel good about their own terrible team whom have probably lost to the Pats multiple times the last decade. Everyone videotaped, the Pats fell on the sword for every other team. They were made an example of during Goodell’s beginning reign as commish. Doesn’t change the fact that they won 3 superbowls and won more games than any other team the past decade. Haters can keep on hating, we have the best coach in the nfl. End of discussion.

  16. patriotsdefense says: Aug 29, 2011 6:15 PM

    NFL Films Preview:

    http://prod.www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d821d0244/A-Football-Life-Bill-Belichick

  17. 1historian says: Aug 29, 2011 6:19 PM

    Since Belichik has been coaching at New England they have a higher winning percentage of any team in any pro sport in HISTORY over that time.

    Since they were caught stealing defensive signals in the 1st half of the 1st game of the 2007 season they have won (including playoffs) 54 games and lost 13. (BTW – teams have been stealing other teams’ signals since before the invention of dirt. The Patriots were caught by a former assistant coach under Belichik and that is indeed an interesting fact)

    You haters are occasionally annoying, but mostly amusing to us, most of us being superior to the rest of you.

    We Pats fans are accused of being:
    obnoxious – guilty
    arrogant – guilty
    snobs – guilty
    annoying as hell – guilty.

    When you have a team that is consistently good as ours over such a long period of time you get to exhibit ALL those admirable qualities while everyone else makes up silly comebacks to you.

    When (if?) they ever start losing again we will indeed stfu.

    But until then: Get. Used. To. It.

  18. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Aug 29, 2011 6:21 PM

    Required viewing for anyone who loves American football. I would even go so far as to include the “Belicheat” crowd who, in spite of themselves, might learn something. LOL

  19. benh999 says: Aug 29, 2011 6:21 PM

    Funny everyone assumes Belichick has something against cameras. The man is an A/V God!

  20. waldoampere says: Aug 29, 2011 6:27 PM

    Having him wired for sound and having him say something interestingt are two different things.

  21. hartjk says: Aug 29, 2011 6:34 PM

    Time doesn’t change the fact that he knowingly cheated over a long period of time – including during the super bowl seasons of the early 2000′s. Pointing this out doesn’t make me a “hater” or “bitter”. It’s a fact. And it’s kinda silly to think that just because time has elapsed that we’re supposed to pretend he gained nothing from cheating.

    And the “everyone does it” crowd. Do you base this on anything? or is it just what you need to convince yourself?

  22. ampats says: Aug 29, 2011 6:36 PM

    My bad CKL.

    The Patriots over achieved that season as one year removed from surgery TB wasn’t his usual MVP and the talent was being rebuilt even though the “made” the playoffs.

    Most Patriot fans were not surprised by the Ravens game. After Welker was hurt,the air came out of the balloon.

  23. kate773 says: Aug 29, 2011 6:41 PM

    If you’re a fan of the game, you’ll put your hatred/team loyalties aside and watch this. Say what you want about him, but Belichick is someone who grew up around football and lives, breathes and eats it. He studies it and has true appreciation for the history. Pats fans have been saying it for years. He carries himself publicly very poorly, but he’s a very interesting person when you actually pay any attention to him. It a shame that he allows his public perception (and yes, it’s his own fault) to become what it has. He does himself a disservice. But he doesn’t care about what the public thinks of him. He just wants to be around the game. It’s all he knows.

    I’m not saying you have to like him, but it might make you look at him a bit differently.

  24. deeboisgonnaeatyourkids says: Aug 29, 2011 6:43 PM

    Does it mention Spygate? If not, I’m not interested

  25. jetlionlove says: Aug 29, 2011 6:51 PM

    I am a die hard Jet fan…
    That said.. I bet this will be phenomenal.

  26. denverdude7 says: Aug 29, 2011 7:04 PM

    Will the new program come with closed-captioning so we can understand his mumbling?

    Example: Mflgrp srue ugeddowlctrugh.
    Translation: Make sure you film the walkthrough.

  27. unbreakable02215 says: Aug 29, 2011 7:21 PM

    Let me clear my throat here, hang on a sec, ok
    CHEATER People ? Thanks. Allow me to get the obligatory “I’m glad he coaches my team, and
    you and I BOTH know you wish he was coaching
    yours” formalities out of the way.

    Now you can go back to your Patriot-Induced
    CHEATER musings.

    At some point I hope you all realize that we
    Patriot fans could give a Rat’s Behind what you
    all think ;)

    We’ll Keep Him.

    LOL.

  28. rc33 says: Aug 29, 2011 7:22 PM

    Translation: Make sure you film the walkthrough

    Translation: repeat an untruth often enough and some brain-dead chump will believe it to be true.

  29. oranjellojones says: Aug 29, 2011 7:25 PM

    His coaching legacy will always be tainted by Spygate but that has nothing at all to do with why I loathe this guy.

    He’s a wife stealing, home wrecker. Bad enough that the husband in the equation actually sued to have BB back off…all to no avail.

    This guy -no matter how many media types polish his knob- is a scumbag.

  30. jagmania65 says: Aug 29, 2011 7:25 PM

    I hope they edit out the parts where he wore the mic home for Mrs. Belichick…

  31. flaccounibrow says: Aug 29, 2011 7:26 PM

    @PatMyHog
    Keep telling yourself everybody else was doing it if it makes you feel better. The fact of the matter is the patriots have won nothing since spygate. Other teams weren’t doing it. Ask Kurt Warner…His quote was “It seemed laik they were in the huddle with us. They had an answer for every play we ran.” 3 tainted suprebowls is what this team has. Each victory by a margin of only 3 points. Or how about this quote. “Hold their recievers on every play. They can’t call it for every play.” Thats Billy boy. The best coach in the NFL as they won in the divisional round against the Titans and in the championship against the Colts by what else? CHEATING. The rules had to be changed after that season. END OF DISCUSSION.

  32. rodneyharrisonstruckstick says: Aug 29, 2011 7:31 PM

    I LOVE BB’s HANDLING OF THE MEDIA.
    The overall blandness and unwillingness to provide headline meterial is an employed tactic which allows him, as well as his team to deflect, or avoid tough questions from the media. Usually only asked in attempt to stir $hit up so they can catch a notice for their little blogs or whatever….. its genius.
    He’s actually funny, and willing to talk about football plays/philosophy’s, not drama and story lines. its very simple.

  33. rodneyharrisonstruckstick says: Aug 29, 2011 7:31 PM

    I LOVE BB’s HANDLING OF THE MEDIA.
    The overall blandness and unwillingness to provide headline materiel is an employed tactic which allows him, as well as his team to deflect, or avoid tough questions from the media. Usually only asked in attempt to stir $hit up so they can catch a notice for their little blogs or whatever….. its genius.
    He’s actually funny, and willing to talk about football plays/philosophy’s, not drama and story lines. its very simple.

  34. melonnhead says: Aug 29, 2011 7:31 PM

    melonnhead, your SB winning HC was the same type of “cheater”, so stop it. I guess you missed Jimmy’s defense of BB though where he admitted it. Go educate yourself.

    ——————————————————————–

    OK for the millionth time, taping signals is not against the rules. Where you tape them from is the issue. Belichick had his man on the field and that is against the rules. The rule states:

    “no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches’ booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game.”

    Jimmy Johnson interview from the Boston Herald:

    Q: How about the spying thing Jimmy. You’re a coach does that bother you what Belichick did?

    JJ: Oh please. I’ve said it on our show. Eighteen years ago a scout for the Chiefs told me what they did, and he said what you need to do is just take your camera and you go and zoom in on the signal caller and that way you can sync it up. The problem is that if they’re not on the press box side you can’t do it from the press box, you have to do it from the sideline. This was 18 years ago.

    Q: You think the NFL came down too hard on them?

    JJ: No, no, I said it on the show. He was wrong for doing it for the simple reason that the league knew this was going on not just in New England but around the league. And the league sent out the memorandum to all of the teams saying you cannot do this. And so that’s when Bill Belichick was wrong. After he got the memorandum saying don’t do it any more, he did it.

    Q: Where’d you put your guy who was videotaping? Where was he?

    JJ: My guy was up with my camera crew in the press box. So you’d just put an extra camera up with your camera crew in the press box who zoomed in on the signal callers. That’s the best way to do it, but anyway you can’t always do that because the press box camera crew might be on the same side as the opposing team. If they’re on the same side as the opposing team that’s when you need to do it from the sideline.

  35. rodneyharrisonstruckstick says: Aug 29, 2011 7:34 PM

    BB burns your cities to the ground, over and over and over and over

  36. melonnhead says: Aug 29, 2011 7:40 PM

    Let me clear my throat here, hang on a sec, ok
    CHEATER People ? Thanks. Allow me to get the obligatory “I’m glad he coaches my team, and
    you and I BOTH know you wish he was coaching
    yours” formalities out of the way.

    ———————————————————————–

    Pretty soon people are going to be talking about those “ancient trophies” like they do about the Cowboys’ trophies. I mean it’s only been what, six years? Since then? A bunch of underachievement in a cupcake division since the cheating scandal broke. Wade Phillips has more playoff wins than BB in the last three seasons.

  37. semperfi24 says: Aug 29, 2011 7:51 PM

    oranjellojones says:Aug 29, 2011 7:25 PM

    His coaching legacy will always be tainted by Spygate but that has nothing at all to do with why I loathe this guy.

    He’s a wife stealing, home wrecker. Bad enough that the husband in the equation actually sued to have BB back off…all to no avail.

    This guy -no matter how many media types polish his knob- is a scumbag.
    _________________________

    Let me guess, you are one of those types that thinks the guy/girl on the side is bad, but the cheating wife/husband gets a pass??? Not saying its ok, but why so harsh toward BB, but you have nothing to say about her? I never understood the homewrecker thing, it takes two to tango…clearly she was done with the husband, dont you think? Again, I am not defending either of them, but you look like a tool in this equation

  38. Pat MyHog says: Aug 29, 2011 7:53 PM

    @flaccounibrow

    Keep hating. We take great enjoyment in the jealousy of others. Its the Boston way, after all we are the city of champions.

  39. kate773 says: Aug 29, 2011 8:03 PM

    flaccounibrow says:
    Aug 29, 2011 7:26 PM
    @PatMyHog
    Keep telling yourself everybody else was doing it if it makes you feel better. The fact of the matter is the patriots have won nothing since spygate. Other teams weren’t doing it. Ask Kurt Warner…His quote was “It seemed laik they were in the huddle with us. They had an answer for every play we ran.” 3 tainted suprebowls is what this team has. Each victory by a margin of only 3 points. Or how about this quote. “Hold their recievers on every play. They can’t call it for every play.” Thats Billy boy. The best coach in the NFL as they won in the divisional round against the Titans and in the championship against the Colts by what else? CHEATING. The rules had to be changed after that season. END OF DISCUSSION.
    *******************

    Oh, it’s over because you say it is? What are you going to do, stick your fingers in your ears and sing really loud? If the rules about holding had to be changed AFTER the season, then they were within the rules during those playoffs. Therefore, it wasn’t cheating.

    And yes, other teams WERE doing it, they came out and said so. You’re basing your argument on Kurt Warner’s quote of what it SEEMED like the Pats were doing? And the Patriots went to the SB after Spygate. Yes, they lost. Because the Giants were better, not because all of a sudden Spygate caught up to them. Are you kidding? And let’s see, the Patriots haven’t won anything since Spygate? I guess winning the division a few times, winning an AFC Championship and having the best record in the NFL since then is nothing. But ok. I suppose their playoff futility has nothing to do with the fact that the Patriots didn’t have Brady for a year, and that the Ravens and Jets are good, and that that championship D has gotten old and retired. I guess that has nothing to do with it.

    And you can hold your breath and scream “TAINTED” all you want. Those trophies will remain in Foxboro, and the record books will remain asterisk free. And we will enjoy you hating that fact.

  40. rodneyharrisonstruckstick says: Aug 29, 2011 8:04 PM

    you hate us for repeatedly beating you down.. over and over and over and over again.. unless your a jets fan you aint got $hit on us.. and the jets have only beaten us like 6 times in last 8 yrs. suck it losers.

  41. holdthemayo123 says: Aug 29, 2011 8:06 PM

    While he often gets the rep of being boring to the media, one of the radio stations around here hosts a call with him every week, and it is riveting stuff.
    This tape nonsense aside (and seriously people – the reason you pound on it now is you know it will be a side story to the man’s amazing accomplishments), I would definitely recommend checking out what us NE fans get to enjoy regularly.

  42. Ralphie says: Aug 29, 2011 8:11 PM

    oranjellojones says:
    “He’s a wife stealing, home wrecker. Bad enough that the husband in the equation actually sued to have BB back off…all to no avail.”
    ___________________________

    He’s bangin’ your old lady? Sh*t, he don’t look the type. Next time don’t sue him’, just use a crowbar to separate them two. Or better yet, hit em’ with a blast of the garden hose. That’ll make BB back off her.

  43. stvang says: Aug 29, 2011 8:16 PM

    I wonder if rex ryan dreams of the hoddie in sandals?

    I would laugh myself off my chair is BB went into the jets game barefoot or in sandals

  44. flaccounibrow says: Aug 29, 2011 8:23 PM

    @kate773 and Patmyhog
    Must have struck a nerve…. And end of discussion was repeating what your fellow patsie lover posted kate. I could name several other players Hines Ward, Steve Mcnair, E. James and on and on who said the same as Warner. Bottom line is how many super bowls have you won since spygate ? 0.0 The proof is in the pudding. And what other teams said that they were taping from the sidelines, and had miked players so that they could analyze snap counts and cadences of opposing teams? Please… Not every owner is in bed with goddell like kraft is. Do you think they would come out and risk being fined or having draft picks taken. You are right that the trophies are in New England, but we all know that they were a result of cheating. If you want to deny it, ask your selves ,if the Jets did the same thing would you call it cheating? No need to respond because I already know the answer.

  45. flaccounibrow says: Aug 29, 2011 8:28 PM

    And one more thing Kate. It was illegal to contact a reciever past 5 yards during that particular playoff run. The NFL decided to enforce the rule more strictly after the patriots “bent” the rules.

  46. mybuttsayspft says: Aug 29, 2011 8:33 PM

    0 playoff victories since 2007. No video camera = Just another good coach, he’s no vince Lombardi people, he’s a cheat plain and simple. How this guy gets a pass is beyond me.

  47. jrfrom508 says: Aug 29, 2011 8:35 PM

    Hahaha. I love, LOVE that all these PFT readers are ripping BB. But guess what??? YOULL ALL WATCH IT. and my guess is you will like it. Deep inside all of you grinches, your hearts will grow three times bigger for the greatest coach that your favorite sport has ever seen. But it’s your little secret. Shhh. I won’t tell.

  48. bostonbornandbred says: Aug 29, 2011 8:41 PM

    A patriots post is never complete until “flagstaffphotos” has put his dumb 2 cents in… Dude how many times do I have to tell you…. Get a life and stop spewing nonsense crap about the pats on every damn post… Seriously, who’s your favorite team?? Unless it’s the Harlem globetrotters I’m pretty sure your favorite team has had bad dudes on it and have lost plenty of games

  49. dolphandan says: Aug 29, 2011 8:54 PM

    When I read the headline I figured Goodell hooked billicheat up with a direct tv feed to the other 31 teams practices.

  50. barklikeadog says: Aug 29, 2011 8:56 PM

    Ummmm, I can only go by what I see

  51. patriotinvasion says: Aug 29, 2011 9:03 PM

    To the crowd saying the Pats haven’t won anything since the story ESPN invented for ratings and called spygate – I guess 53-16…3 AFC East titles…a 16-0 season…an AFC Championship…one miraculous catch away from winning the Super Bowl…another 14-2 season…ALL WITH A REBUILDING team means nothing. You guys realize Bruschi, Harrison, McGinest, Vrabel, Law and Seymour don’t play here anymore right? Ya think that might have anything to do with it? I guess not, because to u, taping signals IN PLAIN VIEW to 70,000 people in the stadium automatically makes you a Dynasty…lol…keep hatin’ haters!!!

  52. ninerdynasty says: Aug 29, 2011 9:24 PM

    When i read the title i thought it was because the NFL wanted to make sure he wasnt cheating. lol

  53. sportsfuhnatic says: Aug 29, 2011 9:30 PM

    I’m a Giants fan. A die-hard one at that, but I honestly can’t wait to see this documentary on Bill Belichick.

    He’s a brilliant head coach and individual…one of the greatest NFL coaches of all time.

  54. misterpigglesworth says: Aug 29, 2011 9:37 PM

    Patriots Porn!! Got my lubriderm ready to go

  55. damko12 says: Aug 29, 2011 9:41 PM

    Haters gon hate and players gon play

  56. flash1283 says: Aug 29, 2011 9:45 PM

    flaccounibrow says:
    Aug 29, 2011 8:23 PM
    @kate773 and Patmyhog
    Must have struck a nerve…. And end of discussion was repeating what your fellow patsie lover posted kate. I could name several other players Hines Ward, Steve Mcnair, E. James and on and on who said the same as Warner. Bottom line is how many super bowls have you won since spygate ? 0.0 The proof is in the pudding. And what other teams said that they were taping from the sidelines, and had miked players so that they could analyze snap counts and cadences of opposing teams? Please… Not every owner is in bed with goddell like kraft is. Do you think they would come out and risk being fined or having draft picks taken. You are right that the trophies are in New England, but we all know that they were a result of cheating. If you want to deny it, ask your selves ,if the Jets did the same thing would you call it cheating? No need to respond because I already know the answer.

    —–

    @kate773

    Dont waste your time going back and forth with morons like this.
    Now he is also saying the Patriots new teams play calling on offense too.
    It’s almost like the haters make it up as they go.
    Never seen anything that said they did that and this jackass can’t produce anything to back it.

    The fact is the opinion of these morons don’t count.

  57. 1historian says: Aug 29, 2011 9:54 PM

    all of you who call him a cheater

    proof?

  58. oopsnaly says: Aug 29, 2011 10:09 PM

    This will be great TV ! I enjoyed Hard Knocks NY Jets and BB upclose will be very interesting.I am a 28 years old doctor, mature and beautiful.and now I am seeking a good man who can give me real love , so i got a username Lindasunny2002 on–a’ge’l’es’s’da’te.c óm–.it is the first and best club for y’ounger women and old’er men, or older women and y’ounger men,to int’eract with each other. Maybe you wanna ch’eck ‘it out or tell your friends!

  59. wiscnsnpatfan says: Aug 29, 2011 10:26 PM

    @kate773–i love you. That was awesome! Great points and perfectly worded. You pretty much said everything I was thinking. And you’re right–”cheaters, cheaters, cheaters, spygate, tainted”– I love it! By so vehemently slamming the Patriots these morons show what spineless, pathetic, insecure babies they are. It amazes me how insecure these people are. Instead of spending all your time ripping NE, why not talk about how good your team is? Probably cuz your team SUCKS! hahahaha! Like kate773 said, we’ll ALWAYS have the trophies and the bragging rights…and you won’t!

  60. kate773 says: Aug 29, 2011 10:53 PM

    flaccounibrow says:
    Aug 29, 2011 8:23 PM
    @kate773 and Patmyhog
    Must have struck a nerve…. And end of discussion was repeating what your fellow patsie lover posted kate. I could name several other players Hines Ward, Steve Mcnair, E. James and on and on who said the same as Warner. Bottom line is how many super bowls have you won since spygate ? 0.0 The proof is in the pudding. And what other teams said that they were taping from the sidelines, and had miked players so that they could analyze snap counts and cadences of opposing teams? Please… Not every owner is in bed with goddell like kraft is. Do you think they would come out and risk being fined or having draft picks taken. You are right that the trophies are in New England, but we all know that they were a result of cheating. If you want to deny it, ask your selves ,if the Jets did the same thing would you call it cheating? No need to respond because I already know the answer.
    **************************
    Ok, you know it’s HARD to win a SB, right? Especially when half the team you won them with is gone, right? And the other stuff, about winning the most games, etc., we’re going to just ignore that I guess. Of course we are. It doesn’t support your argument. Right. Moving on then.

    And answer me this: when did those Steelers players come out and say what they said? Was it AFTER Spygate came out? Because I didn’t hear a thing before then. Its kind of strange they would say anything considering they lost the 2001 AFCC by allowing 2 ST touchdowns and a whopping 1 offensive TD. Couldn’t be they were complaining to make themselves feel better. I’d probably do the same thing. and yes, I saw where 1 player accused them of miking players. I also never heard any evidence that they actually did that outside of that one player. I did see where Zach Thomas admitted doing that, in explanation as to why the torched the Pats the second time they played that particular year. And I don’t care how you or anyone else thinks they got there. Doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    And it’s not the Patriots fault the refs chose not to call the holding. Still not cheating. Throw the flag. So take it up with the refs.

    And of course I’d call it cheating if the Jets had gotten caught. I’ll admit that. I’ll also admit that I’d only be clinging to Spygate like grim death because I hate the Jets and that deep down inside I’d know they were actually good. Can you admit that if it were your team in the Patriots shoes you’d stick up for your team if every mention of them brought fools out of the woodwork screaming CHEATERS. It gets old. And stupid. After 4 years, it’s just lame at this point, especially when, despite your insistence that it means nothing, they have done a lot of winning since then. No, they haven’t won the SB, but they’ve remained a perennial contender. So at this point, it’s just stupid.

  61. kate773 says: Aug 29, 2011 10:58 PM

    flash1283 says:
    Aug 29, 2011 9:45 PM

    Your right. Done.

  62. bradymancrush10 says: Aug 30, 2011 7:19 AM

    People around here are haters because they have no argument about the football mechanics of Bill Belichick. He’s a one of a few handful of great coaches in the league. “Cheating” has been long in the NFL. As competitive as it is, people will always look for an advantage.
    George Halas would film visiting team practices at Wrigley Field while he was head coach of the Chicago Bears.
    Tom Landry was caught tuning into other teams frequencies during the 60′s when helmet radios were in their infancy in the NFL, that’s why they were abolished early on.
    How about the Steeler’s and Oakland’s rampant steroid use during the seventies? During the 80′s, the 49ers were considered one of the dirtiest teams for their perfection of the “cut blocks and leg whips”.
    No most people really don’t understand/appreciate football and just spew out whatever is in their mind and tell us from a football perspective why they hate Bill Belichick. They can’t and won’t.

  63. CKL says: Aug 30, 2011 8:49 AM

    @ melonnhead…
    Yes that’s the one I was talking about. So how do you keep calling him a cheater when it was simply a location in question as a violation, not the action itself? Holding is a penalty regardless of where it is on the field. Tampering is supposed to be against rules regardless of where the tampering takes place. Etc.

    I have no problem with the fact that his breaking the rule led to consequences for him and my team. I feel they were overly harsh, but I’m not going to get into it. Fact is he gambled on being able to support himself defying the memo based on semantics and he lost. But the idea that the location of the camera alone though it is still getting on film the same thing it would were it in the proper location makes someone a “cheater that won SBs due to it” is ASININE.

  64. melonnhead says: Aug 30, 2011 10:59 AM

    Yes that’s the one I was talking about. So how do you keep calling him a cheater when it was simply a location in question as a violation, not the action itself?
    Holding is a penalty regardless of where it is on the field. Tampering is supposed to be against rules regardless of where the tampering takes place. Etc.

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    Because it’s against the rules and he knew it was against the rules. What’s so hard to get? Horsecollar tackles are not against the rules everywhere on the field and neither are cut blocks, intentional grounding or contact with wide receivers.

  65. robliano says: Aug 30, 2011 11:01 AM

    I would pay for the unedited version of this!! He’s arrogant, pushing over camera men, etc. And it trickles down to his players.

    Also, the simple fact that an organization would even take on a Haynesworth shows they lack integrity, you don’t bring that type of player in, period.

    However, the guy’s a genius, no question.

  66. melonnhead says: Aug 30, 2011 11:18 AM

    Tom Landry was caught tuning into other teams frequencies during the 60′s when helmet radios were in their infancy in the NFL, that’s why they were abolished early on.

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    That’s not true. Paul Brown tried using radios in ’56 but NFL Commish Bert Bell banned their use on October 18, 1956. Radios were not tried in helmets again until 1994. Tom Landry coached from 1960-1988.

  67. CKL says: Aug 30, 2011 11:30 AM

    @melonn

    Yes he knew it, I said I didn’t have a problem with there being consequences. But it did NOT win them SBs.

    Your point about other things being illegal from different locations is true but not relevant here since filming signals from a prohibited place doesn’t mean the info is more valuable or more revealing. If it were, I could at least understand that angle by the commissioner. Cut blocks being illegal on the backside but legal on the front side is a safety issue, same with horse collars. The WR thing is a CC issue of wanting more offense. All of those things wind up with or can wind up with different consequences/results depending on their location. Filming doesn’t.

    And most of us Pats fans know the severity of the penalty is even more of a joke since McDaniels filmed another team’s practice (something the Pats were never proven to have done)and got a billionth of the penalty the Pats did.

  68. richm2256 says: Aug 30, 2011 12:38 PM

    Just watched the “trailer” ….I challenge ALL of the “Cheatriot’s”and “Belicheat” haters to watch these two shows.

    You will see sides of Belichick you never knew existed. You will see WHY he’s such a great coach, how he gets his players to do what they do, how he often times out-thinks and out-coaches his opponents. You will see how seriously he takes his job, his responsibility to the organization, the players, and yes, even the league, as well as the history of NFL football.

    You will also see the “human” side that isn’t visible during games or press conferences. And for another perspective on the man and the coach, read Michael Holley’s great book, “Patriot Reign”.

    Bill Belichick is a Hall of Fame coach, and a truly interesting person.

    I challenge you haters to watch this and come away unimpressed.

  69. melonnhead says: Aug 30, 2011 1:35 PM

    Your point about other things being illegal from different locations is true but not relevant here since filming signals from a prohibited place doesn’t mean the info is more valuable or more revealing. If it were, I could at least understand that angle by the commissioner. Cut blocks being illegal on the backside but legal on the front side is a safety issue, same with horse collars. The WR thing is a CC issue of wanting more offense. All of those things wind up with or can wind up with different consequences/results depending on their location. Filming doesn’t.

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    Well I assume that there is a reasoning behind prohibiting it from certain areas. I assume that it’s to lessen concerns of coaches as to what areas they have to shield their signals from. I can’t speak as to how effective taping from one area is versus some other area, but I do know that if you give me enough angles and equipment, I will be able to steal your signals quite easily and not only will I use it against you in that game, my players will know your call before the play even begins once we have a basic understanding of your terminology. That’s if you want to take signal stealing to the nth degree. I assume that BB found what the Patriots were doing was beneficial. They did it for a long time and continued doing it after being expressly warned to not do it. BB’s semantical argument did not hold water. The rule is not unclear. The memorandum clarified the already very clear rule even further.
    His excuse was that he thought it was ok if the tapes weren’t used in the same game. In short, he lied.

    Cut blocks are legal as long as they happen between the tackles. The risk is still the same, diving at a players’ legs can be just as devastating no matter where you do it. Horsecollar tackles carry the same risk no matter where you do them. In fact my personal believe is that the horsecollar rule is one of the more retarded rules, it’s legal between the tackles where there’s a greater chance of 4 or 5 320 pound linemen running into you at the same time or falling on you in addition to the risks that are inherent with a horsecollar. I’m thinking that if you’re a 220 pound running back that’s going to get horsecollared, you’re going to want to get it from a Roy Williams in the open field rather than an Albert Haynesworth in the middle of where the big boys play, for example.

    My concern about the actual effect of BB’s taping is magnified by the fact that Goodell got rid of the evidence just about as quickly as he could, and I think he did that for a reason. I believe we’ll never know the true extent of how they were used.

    And you know, it’s really not that huge of a deal for me. I’m a Cowboys fan and they don’t play the Patriots much and when they do, lately it’s been with a different coach every time. The Patriots have just had better teams than the Cowboys over most (if not all) of the past decade. I just hate cheaters. I hate sniveling, lying cheaters even worse. I was OK with BB before this cheating scandal crap broke. I had a lot of respect for him when he was with the Browns. Cowboys are my one true love but I used to like the Oilers too by virtue of the fact that my older brother worked for a company that bought ticket blocks to give to clients and we always had free tickets to games so we went to them. I guess I just thought he was above that mess.

  70. elyasm says: Aug 30, 2011 3:29 PM

    @melonhead
    Please allow me to respond to your post.

    “I can’t speak as to how effective taping from one area is versus some other area, but I do know that if you give me enough angles and equipment, I will be able to steal your signals quite easily and not only will I use it against you in that game, my players will know your call before the play even begins once we have a basic understanding of your terminology.”

    I can speak as to how effective taping from one area is versus some other area. To quote Jimmy Johnson: “…what you need to do is just take your camera and you go and zoom in on the signal caller and that way you can sync it up. The problem is that if they’re not on the press box side you can’t do it from the press box, you have to do it from the sideline.”

    Furthermore, it was only defensive signals that were being recorded, since offensive signals have been radioed in to the QB since ’94. Since the defense only determines the play it is going to run in response to the offensive formation, and that the QB radios are deactivated 15 seconds prior to the end of the snap clock, it would be impossible for the offense to line up, the defensive coaches to signal their play and to relay that information to the QB before the radio is turned off. It is therefore impossible for the offense to know the defensive play call before the snap. Not to mention that a camera provides no advantage whatsoever over a guy with a set of binoculars on the sideline (which is legal) in the scenario you describe.

    “His excuse was that he thought it was ok if the tapes weren’t used in the same game.”

    This statement contradicts your previous assertion that he was using those tapes not only in the same game, but in real time to intercept defensive signals before the snap.

    If you want to know what those tapes were used for, I can tell you; I’ve read both Patriot Reign and Education of a Coach. Both books cite Belichick’s policy of developing dossiers on opposing head coaches, coordinators and even position coaches. Ernie Adams and him develop spreadsheets that track tendencies for different situations (i.e. what does this coach do in this game situation with this down and distance?).

    It allows them to effectively reverse engineer the playcalling sheet that each coach holds on the sideline. That is why opposing players felt like he was in the huddle with them, he knew the opposing coaches play calling tendencies almost as well as the coaches themselves.

    So why videotape the signals and not just rely on the play on the field? Because the play on the field can be changed by intelligent players based on what they see on the offense. Belichick wanted to know what play the coach called, not necessarily what play was run.

    I agree with you that Goodell’s decision to destroy the tapes was a poor one. He was hoping to sweep what really should have been a minor scandal under the rug, and instead gave legs to a conspiracy. The punishment was an even worse decision. Rather than imposing the minor fine the crime warranted, a precedent set by Tagliabue’s handling of Shanahan skirting the salary cap to win 2 Super Bowls (now THAT’s cheating), he reacted to media pressure by imposing the largest sanctions in NFL history, further justifying the beliefs of the whole ‘cheater’ conspiracy crowd.

    What did Belichick do wrong? He filmed from an improper location. Why did he do it? To have an accurate record of the play calling tendencies of opposing coaches. Is it likely he is still doing so using other, legal, means (i.e. a guy with binoculars and a notepad)? Yes. Was the the punishment disproportionate to the crime? You will need to decide for yourself, but the answer seems fairly obvious to me…

  71. yourmindismytoilet says: Aug 30, 2011 7:09 PM

    @elyasm

    Nicely summarized. It’s too bad that when “conspiracies” are involved people do not listen to reason, and a post like yours goes to waste.

  72. majmalphunktion says: Aug 30, 2011 11:09 PM

    That’s not true. Paul Brown tried using radios in ’56 but NFL Commish Bert Bell banned their use on October 18, 1956. Radios were not tried in helmets again until 1994. Tom Landry coached from 1960-1988.

    It was while Landry was an assistant coach in NY.

    In his autobiography, Landry described the league’s flirtation with radio communication between coaches and the quarterback in 1956. The Giants were playing the Cleveland Browns, and Paul Brown, Cleveland’s head coach, was sending play calls electronically to George Ratterman, his quarterback.

    “As soon as the game began, our rookie end Bob Topp donned the earphones and tuned our radio to the Cleveland frequency,” Landry wrote. Brown’s play call would be relayed to Landry in time for him to make adjustments on the field. By the time Brown realized that he was being overheard, the Giants had run up an insurmountable lead.

  73. CKL says: Aug 31, 2011 9:45 AM

    melonnhead says: Aug 30, 2011 1:35 PM

    And you know, it’s really not that huge of a deal for me. I’m a Cowboys fan and they don’t play the Patriots much and when they do, lately it’s been with a different coach every time. The Patriots have just had better teams than the Cowboys over most (if not all) of the past decade. I just hate cheaters. I hate sniveling, lying cheaters even worse. I was OK with BB before this cheating scandal crap broke. I had a lot of respect for him when he was with the Browns. Cowboys are my one true love but I used to like the Oilers too by virtue of the fact that my older brother worked for a company that bought ticket blocks to give to clients and we always had free tickets to games so we went to them. I guess I just thought he was above that mess.
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    Well a good deal of us Pats fans were disappointed that he would take that risk after the memo came out too. We don’t think he’s perfect by any means. I don’t think he lied about interpreting the memo though. I think he felt he could defend his viewpoint if it came down to it. It was a very, very bad decision on his part, no doubt. If I saw any evidence that the stuff he was doing could be used in game which was BLATANTLY out of bounds per that memo, I would be pretty angry. The thing is that there really is no practical way that any of that footage could be used IN GAME. Just not enough time to do it.

    Just like with players,there are coaches who push the envelope and coaches who don’t. He does, guys like Dungy don’t. For sure I wish he had just STOPPED after the memo. I just think that for him this taping was about scouting efficiency (hence the advantage he got by doing it), and have never seen any evidence it helped them win actual games, or even COULD help them win games.
    When you see guys on those tapes like Herm Edwards waving to the camera it supports the belief that some coaches who knew about it didn’t think it was that big of a deal or understood why he did it. The Packers had caught them too in 06 ans merely asked the guy to stop. I just find it hard to believe that if taping from there was that HUGE of an advantage that the first HC/ team that caught them wouldn’t have made a HUGE stink over it w/ Goodell.

    That said, I get why some fans will never agree with this viewpoint. I appreciate your ability to discuss it reasonably.

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