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Report: Pryor scored a seven on the Wonderlic

Terrelle Pryor AP

In 2006, former Texas quarterback Vince Young initially scored a six on the Wonderlic.  The test later was re-scored, and Young was given a seven.

Young then got a chance to take the test again, for reasons that never were quite clear.

He got a 16.

According to Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Raiders quarterback Terrelle Pryor also received a seven.

McGinn suggests that the low score explains Pryor’s bad on-field and off-field decisions at Ohio State.  We’re not prepared to make that leap, even though McGinn may be right on the money.  Pryor appeared last week on PFT Live, and he didn’t come off as anything remotely close to an idiot.  Also, ever since the wheels came off of his college career, Pryor has been saying and doing all the right things.  Even if he’s been coached in that regard, he was smart enough to remember the coaching.

Yes, it’s a red flag.  But 28 years ago, Dan Marino parlayed his Pitt education into a 13.  And he’s by no means dumb.  And he ended up being a pretty decent quarterback.

Then there’s the fact that JaMarcus Russell got a 24, and Ryan Leaf got a 27, only one point behind Peyton Manning and Drew Brees.  So, yeah, the Wonderlic pretty much means nothing.

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  1. hystoracle says: Aug 31, 2011 3:26 PM

    Does that mean he spelled his name right?

  2. txtuff says: Aug 31, 2011 3:27 PM

    Next month Pryor will be saying he is a HOF QB!

  3. rubicon202 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:28 PM

    Stupid test…

  4. losunderdogs says: Aug 31, 2011 3:29 PM

    LMAO Vince Young all over again

  5. schemefactory says: Aug 31, 2011 3:29 PM

    holy. cow. box of rocks: 1, terrelle pryor: zip

  6. ottomanismydog says: Aug 31, 2011 3:29 PM

    That’s higher than I expected after his runs at Jeannette and Ohio State

  7. skeptikal24 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:30 PM

    A 7 is higher than expected.

  8. phillyfan4ever says: Aug 31, 2011 3:30 PM

    WOW haha this kid just confirmed with everyone that he is idiot

  9. eaglesfan290 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:30 PM

    If it didn’t mean anything they wouldn’t test you!

  10. mykelane says: Aug 31, 2011 3:30 PM

    dang, seven points more than I thought he would. I guess I lost the office pool.

  11. hendeeze says: Aug 31, 2011 3:31 PM

    thats 6 more then the team collectively

  12. theharshestreality says: Aug 31, 2011 3:31 PM

    Means nothing I guess – but didn’t VY score higher?

  13. luckynumberlucas says: Aug 31, 2011 3:31 PM

    If the wonderlic is even remotely close to the examples on the internet and the one on Madden, who in the blue h3ll can you score below 30?

    Seriously, these questions are as easy as they get.

  14. cw3214 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:31 PM

    “Not everybody is the perfect person in the world, Everyone does—kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me. I just feel that people need to give him a chance.”

    Terrelle Pryor

  15. ducksmith says: Aug 31, 2011 3:32 PM

    Means nothing. Unless you got a seven.

  16. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Aug 31, 2011 3:33 PM

    Funny how he was academic all American. Don’t put a ton of faith in the wonderlic, but it is interesting. Also, this score has nothing to do his on/off field decisions. We can all thank years of coddeling and a cultures of athletic privildge for that.

  17. Nikhil Balakumar says: Aug 31, 2011 3:33 PM

    he could play wr, not gonna be a successful QB in this league

  18. scudbot says: Aug 31, 2011 3:33 PM

    Charlie Wonderlic Jr., president of Wonderlic Inc., says, “A score of 10 is literacy, that’s about all we can say.”

  19. jobotjones says: Aug 31, 2011 3:33 PM

    Him not outscoring Russell should be a minor concern until he proves that he isn’t a complete waste of time.

    Also, it’s not like vince young is a starting qb to help ease the minds of raider fans either…

  20. deucedropper says: Aug 31, 2011 3:33 PM

    “Yes, it’s a red flag.”

    “So, yeah, the Wonderlic pretty much means nothing.”
    ———————————-
    Then why is it a red flag?

  21. delintzman says: Aug 31, 2011 3:33 PM

    not enough “identify the tatt” questions !

  22. beertech says: Aug 31, 2011 3:34 PM

    Campbell scored a 14, so he must be twice as good. Right?

  23. bayoubauer says: Aug 31, 2011 3:34 PM

    and water is wet

  24. achap39 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:35 PM

    Yup. He’s an Al Davis quarterback, all right.

  25. 7pints says: Aug 31, 2011 3:35 PM

    Oh man, this is classic!!! How can you read an NFL defense when you can’t even read a book???

  26. cappa662 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:35 PM

    Give him a break, he went to ohio state.

  27. AlanSaysYo says: Aug 31, 2011 3:36 PM

    Why is a reporter from Milwaukee tweeting about the Wonderlic score of a guy who went to school in Columbus and plays for an NFL team in Oakland?

  28. swervinmervin says: Aug 31, 2011 3:36 PM

    The fact that Jamarcus Russell (the worst QB in NFL history and the biggest bust in NFL history) scored anything near what Peyton Manning got on the Wonderlic, pretty much discredits the test completely.

  29. dawglbfan says: Aug 31, 2011 3:37 PM

    Ouch, guess he should have been in class instead of the tattoo parlor. Vince Young 2.0

  30. zaggs says: Aug 31, 2011 3:37 PM

    “So, yeah, the Wonderlic pretty much means nothing.”

    All the wonderlic tests is how quickly you can access info as far as I know. So its useful in juding whether a player can quickly come up with the information they’ve been taught. However it does jack for decision making.

  31. terrellblowens says: Aug 31, 2011 3:37 PM

    The Wonderlic is embarrassingly easy. Have you ever seen one of those sample tests? They are the most basic questions involving simple logic. Yeah there are a few tough questions here and there but nothing really that hard. The fact that some players get single digits or in the teens is just sad, considering that most high school graduates can score decently. I don’t think it has anything to do with on field performance though. Roddy White got a 4 (!) and he turned out alright.

  32. grndizzle says: Aug 31, 2011 3:37 PM

    I’m probably going to get a lot of thumbs down for saying this, but I think Pryor will be a better NFL QB then Cam Newton. Pryor played 3 seasons in a pro style offense at OSU. He’s comfortable taking snaps from center, and is much more accurate then Newton. Pryor will win the QB job in Oakland next year, but as long as Al Davis is alive the Raiders will be nothing better than mediocre.

    And being a Badger fan, I really don’t like to praise anybody from OSU.

  33. sj39 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:38 PM

    I beg to differ on your point of Marino not being dumb.

  34. snowpea84 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:38 PM

    Wonderlic scores mean nothing? I’m wondering how well you would score at this point because your argument is severely flawed.
    There are bad QB’s with decent scores.
    That fact has nothng to do with QB’s that have sub ten scores.
    The fact that Russel was in the 20′s means nothing when saying that a QB with a 7 for a score will not be good.
    You can have bad QB’s with decent scores and still have the argument that there are no good QB’s with terrible scores.

  35. profootballwalk says: Aug 31, 2011 3:40 PM

    If you didn’t even see the answers and just guessed randomly, you should get higher than a seven.

  36. ICDogg says: Aug 31, 2011 3:40 PM

    Marino was never that cerebral playing QB. I don’t think he even went through progressions. He just had amazing peripheral vision so that he could see the whole field at once, pick out open receivers and avoid pressure without having to be systematic about it. Strong arm, fast release, and amazing field vision… trumps “smart”.

  37. mwcarolina says: Aug 31, 2011 3:41 PM

    well, it’s a similar score to what Young had, but it doesnt matter unless he shows that wonderlic score on the field.

  38. seneca1ss says: Aug 31, 2011 3:42 PM

    but he knows what it feels like to run a 4.3 forty yard dash and will be wealthier than 99% of Americans after this season

    so he’s got the last laugh :-)

  39. kashonly says: Aug 31, 2011 3:43 PM

    at this point, I kinda just wanna leave the kid alone. He didn’t get 1st round money, he’s not displacing anyone (ie.Cam/Clausen)….seems to me he’s been beat up enough the past 6-8 months….just let him be and see if he ever finds his way onto the starting line-up before giving him the business again.

  40. buzzkillbill says: Aug 31, 2011 3:44 PM

    @achap39 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:35 PM

    Yup. He’s an Al Davis quarterback, all right.
    _______________________________
    But he runs REALLY fast!

  41. 2ndaryinsanity says: Aug 31, 2011 3:46 PM

    Not sure the results of this test have anything to do with his idiotic behavior off the field. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he’s just extremely immature. Or he believed rules didn’t apply to him because of his status as a high-profile college quarterback. Hopefully this was a wake-up call, and he’ll make better choices from now on. Otherwise…he’ll end up wasting his opportunity in the NFL.

  42. nflofficeadmin says: Aug 31, 2011 3:46 PM

    Young had much farther to fall coming into the league. Pryor is coming into the league on a low and hopefully humbled. I hope for his sake he can turn it into something positive.

  43. spartytime says: Aug 31, 2011 3:47 PM

    HAHAHHAHAHAH

    Hey atleast thats 7 more than Vince Young

  44. bossplayer213 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:48 PM

    So the Wonderlic means nothing because JaMarcus scored a 24? Being lazy, unmotivated, and making dumb life choices doesn’t mean you can’t problem solve. Sheesh, so quick to judge.

  45. qdog112 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:49 PM

    “Then there’s the fact that JaMarcus Russell got a 24, and Ryan Leaf got a 27, only one point behind Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. So, yeah, the Wonderlic pretty much means nothing.”
    ——————————————————
    But since the number “6″ is so low and sounds so negative, – we’ll use it.

  46. rcali says: Aug 31, 2011 3:50 PM

    Yeah, but did you see his 40 time? Crazy Al did.

  47. bmmayhew says: Aug 31, 2011 3:50 PM

    How in the world do you get a seven on a test like this?

    http://walterfootball.com/draftwonderlic.php

  48. alaricsrevenge says: Aug 31, 2011 3:52 PM

    TP just tweeted the Raiders are the Dream Team.

  49. wetpaperbag2 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:52 PM

    So much for those “confidential” wonderlic test results.

  50. EJ says: Aug 31, 2011 3:52 PM

    Ryan Fitzpatrick, “The Amish Rifle,” scored a near perfect score on the Wonderlic. A Harvard graduate with an average skill set, drafted in the 7th round. Now he is a starter, so you can’t say that your score means nothing.

    In the NFL Quarterbacks are one of two, either Physically talented or really, really smart. You never see the two combined.

  51. gridassassin says: Aug 31, 2011 3:52 PM

    Q) How do you get a former Ohio State Buckeye off your porch?

    A) Pay him for the pizza.

  52. sonvar says: Aug 31, 2011 3:52 PM

    There are always a few things that bother me on this. First, those scores aren’t supposed to be released in the first place and thus I always wonder who leaked the information to them because that could get them in legal trouble. Second, regardless of the score doesn’t mean much of anything just like a lot of things at the combine. You need to look at the system and what was asked of a player in college along with the tape. If those all look good then I could care less about anything combine related.

  53. flapjackdaddy says: Aug 31, 2011 3:53 PM

    He didn’t bother to try during the agility drills at his own personal pro-day. Why would he try during the Wonderlic?

  54. thefiesty1 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:54 PM

    Does that mean he gets to take it again to see if he can approach VY’s re-score? What a waste of time!

  55. abr173rd says: Aug 31, 2011 3:55 PM

    I think the Wonderlic is is a test to score your overall intelligence level. Some of it you could refer to football but I think it’s intelligence in general. I will go on to say that I have heard both Marino and Pryor speak and I hate to put both their names in the same sentence-but neither of them sounded like a genius.

    You don’t need to be a genius to play football look at Tom Brady who has a deer in the headlights look all the time, and hes pretty decent.

  56. blake110 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:55 PM

    People are on here bringing up Vince Young…and bashing him??? All I know is Vince Young has won almost twice as many games as he has lost as a starter…just because he and Jeff Fisher didn’t see eye to eye doesn’t mean that Vince can’t play. The Wonderlic is retarded anyway…

    I’m not saying that Pryor is going to be a winner in this league at all…but why compare him with Vince Young? Because he’s tall and black???

  57. feldman9000 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:55 PM

    I’m pretty sure that’s a record high for any raiders player.

  58. ICDogg says: Aug 31, 2011 3:55 PM

    If you’ve ever had to take the Wonderlic, as opposed to the sample tests posted on the Internet, you know that though the questions are easy, you have very little time to think about them. There would be a lot more perfect scores if people had an extra few minutes, but they don’t.

  59. fcmlefty1 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:56 PM

    The Wonderlich is just part of the evaluation, not the whole evaluation. But there seems to be an equation that pays off. I read this somewhere a few years ago, but unfortunately can’t find the link. Wonderlich higher than 27 + College completion % greater than 60% + 26 college starts = Will not be a bust. That equation suggests that Ponder will be the best QB from last years draft. Time will tell I guess….

  60. ubummer says: Aug 31, 2011 3:56 PM

    So what you’re saying is that Pryor cheated when he took the Wonderlic.

  61. feldman9000 says: Aug 31, 2011 3:57 PM

    It doesn’t matter. His NFL salary will never come close to what he was making at Ohio State.

  62. nflhof says: Aug 31, 2011 3:57 PM

    It all makes sense now thats why he is a Raider and I thought it was because he ran a fast 40 yd dash

  63. Mr. Super-Cool Awesome says: Aug 31, 2011 3:59 PM

    Surprised Pittsburgh didn’t draft him then.

  64. davidjcu says: Aug 31, 2011 4:00 PM

    I’m probably going to get a lot of thumbs down for saying this, but I think Pryor will be a better NFL QB then Cam Newton. Pryor played 3 seasons in a pro style offense at OSU. He’s comfortable taking snaps from center, and is much more accurate then Newton. Pryor will win the QB job in Oakland next year, but as long as Al Davis is alive the Raiders will be nothing better than mediocre.

    And being a Badger fan, I really don’t like to praise anybody from OSU.

    —————————————–

    The whole spread vs prostyle offense argument only goes so far. Being under center is different than being in the shotgun but it isn’t like trying to learn Mandarin. Oklahoma runs a spread as well, and Bradford seemed to pick up a prostyle offense well. The biggest difference is that in most spread schemes the QB doesn’t have to make a lot of reads. Being able to make reads is what being an NFL QB is about. I think Pryor can be successful if he puts in the effort to learn the game, but not assume he has it made because he came from a pro system. We see how well that worked out for Clausen.

  65. jwspcr says: Aug 31, 2011 4:04 PM

    I thought there was an earlier report saying that he scored a 26 on the test. I’m wondering where this guy got his info from. Maybe he’s just tryin to stir the pot…

  66. touchdownroddywhite says: Aug 31, 2011 4:06 PM

    For all the jokes about VY 2.0, VY is a winning QB in the league so if Pryor can avoid temper tantrum style melt downs, the Raiders apparently just drafted a “not so bright” winner.

    I’d take that over a “pretty smart” loser, a la Leaf and Russell.

  67. deanvernonwormer says: Aug 31, 2011 4:08 PM

    Wonderlic. There’s an unseemly sound to that word.

  68. dietrich43 says: Aug 31, 2011 4:08 PM

    Crazy Al thinks that a good Wonderlic score is like your 40 time or golf – low is better.

  69. jacunn2000 says: Aug 31, 2011 4:09 PM

    It really doesn’t matter. The Raiders playbook is nothing but a Comic Book anyway.

  70. citiciti says: Aug 31, 2011 4:11 PM

    How proud THE Ohio State University and His PARENTS must be!!!!
    LMFAO!

  71. thebillsmakemewannashart says: Aug 31, 2011 4:12 PM

    Ryan Fitzpatrick scored a 49 out of 50.

    Suck it, haters.

    Go BILLS!

  72. boswivel says: Aug 31, 2011 4:13 PM

    He probably just traded his autographed Wonderlic for a new car anyway.

  73. dallasisgoingdowngary says: Aug 31, 2011 4:18 PM

    They should change it from “red flag” to black and silver

  74. The Baseball Gods says: Aug 31, 2011 4:18 PM

    Supposedly there is an equation from the results of the Wonderlic test to estimate a persons IQ. The equation is IQ = 2WPT + 60, meaning a person who scores a 20 on the test has an IQ of 100 which is considered average intelligence. According to this formula Terrelle Pryor has an IQ of 74 which would mean he has Borderline Intellectual Functioning.

  75. trollhammer20 says: Aug 31, 2011 4:22 PM

    I won’t give my numerical score, since no one would believe it, but I took it when I applied for a job. The examiner was startled at how quickly I finished. Let’s just say I was a lot closer to Ryan Fitzpatrick than I was to Pryor.

    It doesn’t measure athletic ability or spur-of-the-moment decision making ability. It really measures reading comprehension, word knowledge, and ability to reason logically.

    I’d guess that players who score high are probably easier to coach up, but a high score clearly isn’t necessary for success in the NFL.

    Oh, and in spite of my 46 (I lied, I will tell my score), I didn’t get the job.

  76. trollhammer20 says: Aug 31, 2011 4:23 PM

    thebillsmakemewannashart says:Aug 31, 2011 4:12 PM

    Ryan Fitzpatrick scored a 49 out of 50
    _______________________________

    Actually, 48. He didn’t answer one, so he did only get one wrong.

    He completed the test in nine minutes.

  77. dolphinsrule65 says: Aug 31, 2011 4:24 PM

    Average scores for other professionsWhile an average football player usually scores around 20 points, Wonderlic, Inc. claims a score of at least 10 points suggests a person is literate.[2] Furthermore, when the test was given to miscellaneous people of various professions, it was observed that the average participant scored a 24. Examples of scores from everyday professions include:

    Chemist – 31
    Programmer – 29
    Journalist – 26
    Sales – 24
    Bank teller – 22
    Clerical worker – 21
    Security guard – 17
    Warehouse – 14
    Use in the NFL CombineThough used in a variety of institutions, the Wonderlic test has become best known for its use in the NFL’s Scouting Combine, its pre-draft assessments of prospective football players. According to Paul Zimmerman’s The New Thinking Man’s Guide to Pro Football, examples of average scores for each position are:

    Offensive tackle – 26
    Center – 25
    Quarterback – 24 (Most teams want at least 21 for a quarterback.)
    Guard – 23
    Tight end – 22
    Safety – 19
    Linebacker – 19
    Cornerback – 18
    Wide receiver – 17
    Fullback – 17
    Halfback – 16

  78. saintsfan1112 says: Aug 31, 2011 4:25 PM

    So he scored the same as VY? Congratulations on your terrible NFL career, Pryor.

  79. theytukrjobs says: Aug 31, 2011 4:26 PM

    People put too much stock into things like this. Wonderlic score is important. Quick release is important. Extreme accuracy is important. Arm strength, mobility, height, etc. They are all important.

    But the second you start pointing at one specific thing and saying “low wonderlic, never play a game” or “slow release, he’ll never be any good” you are going to see that there are hall of fame quarterbacks that may have had one or more of those knocks on them.

    People just get obsessed with measurables because those are the only “facts” by which a sportswriter can support an opinion with. Pryor might end up sucking for reasons completely different than his aptitude. Perhaps accuracy or injury.

  80. beertech says: Aug 31, 2011 4:33 PM

    I just scored a 38. I’m trying out for the Raiders next year!

  81. Deb says: Aug 31, 2011 4:41 PM

    It means nothing in terms of football success, but it’s a golden opportunity for guys who never take the test–and thus never know how they’d score–to ridicule low-scoring players. The NFLPA should stop those results from being released.

  82. whatswiththehate says: Aug 31, 2011 4:50 PM

    bossplayer213 says:Aug 31, 2011 3:48 PM

    So the Wonderlic means nothing because JaMarcus scored a 24? Being lazy, unmotivated, and making dumb life choices doesn’t mean you can’t problem solve. Sheesh, so quick to judge.
    ———-
    So I guess it’s okay to throw Ben Rothleisburger into the mix also.

    Once again showing that judging others in a superficial manner isn’t always a wise thing to do.
    ——————
    grndizzle says:Aug 31, 2011 3:37 PM

    I’m probably going to get a lot of thumbs down for saying this, but I think Pryor will be a better NFL QB then Cam Newton. Pryor played 3 seasons in a pro style offense at OSU. He’s comfortable taking snaps from center, and is much more accurate then Newton. Pryor will win the QB job in Oakland next year, but as long as Al Davis is alive the Raiders will be nothing better than mediocre.
    —————
    He sounds like Jimmy Clausen, so what’s ur point?

  83. descendency says: Aug 31, 2011 4:51 PM

    Just in case people are wondering, the actual wonderlic (the test pryor took) is broken into 3 stages.

    Stage 1 is about the difficulty of what you see on the internet.

    Stage 2 is harder and Stage 3 is the hardest.

    While a 7 makes you pretty dumb, the average score for a wonderlic is a lot lower than 30.

  84. scudbot says: Aug 31, 2011 4:51 PM

    For everybody who claims that a Wonderlic below 10 doesn’t mean anything, the guy who owns the test says 10 = literacy. QBs need to be literate. For everybody who keeps calling Vince Young a winning QB, his total production per game is 150 yards on average. Winning that that kind of production means that his team worked around him.

  85. hooptie says: Aug 31, 2011 4:54 PM

    14% on any test is embarrassing.

    Signed
    Dexter Manley

  86. blaz0037 says: Aug 31, 2011 4:54 PM

    Everyone thinks they are a comic around here.. You people are the fans CJ tells to STFU. I don’t like Pryor one bit, but I certainly won’t take pleasure slamming the kid or watching him fail.

  87. realitypolice says: Aug 31, 2011 4:55 PM

    Then there’s the fact that JaMarcus Russell got a 24, and Ryan Leaf got a 27, only one point behind Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. So, yeah, the Wonderlic pretty much means nothing.
    =====================

    Just because you pick out a few exceptions doesn’t disprove the rule.

    The fact is, if you look at all the data, the wonderlic has proven to be a pretty fair measure of future success for QB’s.

  88. rodericksilva says: Aug 31, 2011 4:58 PM

    Has anyone taken the Wonderlic while having 300lbs linemen chasing you down? That would probably help make the test a better predictor of QB decision making skills.

  89. rodericksilva says: Aug 31, 2011 5:00 PM

    Raiders will eventually dump him. Eagles will sign him, polish him up and trade him to AZ or MIA for a 1st rounder.

  90. jbny14 says: Aug 31, 2011 5:01 PM

    So, when will everyone stop trying to make rocket scientists out of football players? He’s not a very smart guy and yes, this test is a good assessment of someones general intelligence but, as I said, these are football players. Throw. Catch. Run. Block. Tackle. Clearly, not rocket science.

  91. sirmixalotalotalot says: Aug 31, 2011 5:03 PM

    Is anyone actually surprised that Pryor didn’t test like a rocket scientist?

    This test is a JOKE as well. I took this test in college and scored in the 40′s(I am no Einstein). My friend took it and scored in the 20′s. He and I both took the LSAT and he scored nearly perfect and made it to an Ivy League law school. I was not nearly as good and did not get into an Ivy League Law School. Really smart people that are smart to the level that its annoying and shocking have scored poorly on this test.

    Reality is the test doesn’t mean anything or show how smart you are or are not.

  92. kd75 says: Aug 31, 2011 5:03 PM

    7 is better than Al Davis would score on the Wonderlic, so, relatively speaking, Pryor is a genius.

  93. onemic42 says: Aug 31, 2011 5:14 PM

    If he was smart, he’d realize his skills would make him more money at wide receiver.

    But judging by his Wonderlic score, he’ll be too stubborn to figure that out.

  94. willjasper says: Aug 31, 2011 5:16 PM

    My four-year old could probably score a seven just by guessing.

    But… the Raiders spent a third-round pick on him. A pretty low-risk move, like spending a dollar on the lottery.

  95. jslybar says: Aug 31, 2011 5:17 PM

    Al Davis has done quite a bit in his life, If you are a fan of the NFL you oughta thank him instead of being like the rest of the world (F,ing idiots) that just likes to bash people that you have never met. What makes you so special?What the hell have you done? grow up D-bag

  96. darthbaiter says: Aug 31, 2011 5:23 PM

    swervinmervin says:
    Aug 31, 2011 3:36 PM
    The fact that Jamarcus Russell (the worst QB in NFL history and the biggest bust in NFL history)

    ————————————————–

    Ryan Leaf, is that you?

  97. hollywoodwags says: Aug 31, 2011 5:27 PM

    “Then there’s the fact that JaMarcus Russell got a 24, and Ryan Leaf got a 27, only one point behind Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. So, yeah, the Wonderlic pretty much means nothing.”

    Sure, means nothing.

    But Vince Young sucks and Pryor is horrible. Russell was horrible and Leaf was too.

    So if we had a really, really good Super Bowl winning QB with a score of 7 your premise would make sense.

    But then you’re just a WVU grad with a Moe Howard haircut.

  98. geniusesq says: Aug 31, 2011 5:34 PM

    And who cares what a Wide Receiver scores on the Wonderlic?

  99. realfootballfan says: Aug 31, 2011 5:35 PM

    Every time this thing comes up, no one ever scrutinizes the large number of busts who had high scores to further underline its irrelevance.

    Jamarcus Russell got a 24, Ryan Leaf got a 27. Matt Leinart got a 35. Joey Herrington and Patrick Ramsey both got a 32. Not to mention the number of terrible QBs that you never heard of who scored pretty highly on the test.

    The fact that Dan Marino scored a 15 is the argument ender. Either you can play or you can’t. He’ll be judged on the field.

    There are an equal number of busts on both ends of the specturm as well as an equal number of successes on both ends, which is why it’s pretty absurd that this nonsense becomes news every time scores “leak.”

    It measures whether you’re good at taking standardized tests, which hardly correlates to intelligence.

  100. jacksaysfu says: Aug 31, 2011 5:41 PM

    Ryan Fitzpatrick scored a 48 and that is why he leads every major passing statistic and leads his team to the Playoffs every year. Wait , Fitzpatrick does none of that. A few years ago teams tried to find another test due to wonderlic’s inaccuracy , the test is a sham. Marino may not be brilliant , but on the field he was a genius. ENOUGH SAID !

  101. capitaloffense says: Aug 31, 2011 5:41 PM

    Wisdom = One’s acquired knowledge.
    Intelligence = One’s ability to RETAIN and APPLY knowledge.

    The reason standardized tests and gimmicky tests like this are questionable because it doesn’t measure potential. When you have chosen someone as an OBVIOUS project, this means little.

    Project = Someone you plan to mold and teach to fit your team’s system.

    Terrelle Pryor does not need to be wise. His coaches do. Pryor needs to be intelligent, so that he can learn and apply the wisdom that is given to him. I’ve never heard of Terrelle Pryor’s intelligence being in question. The wisdom of the Raiders QB development has always been in question in RECENT memory. Which, begs the question: What is the wonderlic score of the Oakland coaching staff? I mean, since this is soooo important all of sudden, I would be more interested to know the staff score than I am to know Pryor’s.

  102. bunjy96 says: Aug 31, 2011 5:42 PM

    If the Wonderlic is such a bad test, why is so widely used around the world?

    Those that are dissing it probably scored in the single digits also.

    There is nothing wrong with the test.

  103. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 5:45 PM

    Tony Romo Wonderlic = 37

    VY + Vick + Pryor combined Wonderlic = 33

  104. purplehayseuss says: Aug 31, 2011 5:47 PM

    If the wonderlic is even remotely close to the examples on the internet and the one on Madden, who in the blue h3ll can you score below 30?

    Seriously, these questions are as easy as they get.

    ***

    Beg to differ. I have a doctoral education. I was given this exam, unbeknownst to me, as part of a job application, about a decade after earning my doctorate. The issue isn’t that the questions are hard, it is the order that they are arranged, and the hard fact that this exam is timed. The questions you do not complete are counted wrong. There are 40 Q, and in the allotted time I completed 36. The Q are more and more verbal as they go, so reading and comprehension are mandatory to get correct answers. My score on that non-prepared-for Wonderlic test was 29, and I felt damn good about it. The thing is that the hardest Q are ramped toward the end, and those that don’t score above single digits (I think) go that low because they don’t get anywhere near the finish of the test when time expires. The Q are math- and verbally- related but there isn’t any calculus or anything. They are looking for quick accuracy with pretty basic concepts.

    Marino is a fantastic example. Ever learn an offensive scheme or new play with the coach screaming at you demanding perfection the first rep with 10 seconds to do it? No. They do that in practice, taking hours to learn and perfect it.

    If Pryor is a dummy, he won’t make it in school, and he may make it fabulously in the NFL. Being verbally and mathematically brilliant is no measure of success, anyway. If it were, PhDs/professors would be making the millions, not actors/athletes/politicians/lawyers.

  105. raiders757 says: Aug 31, 2011 5:49 PM

    I was hoping beyond hope that Al Davis didn’t go after this kid to actually play QB. Than again, I remember doing the same the day he drafted Russell. I prayed to the football Gods that that big dumb QB from LSU became a Raider. Now I pray that Prior is a Raider for reasons other than playing under center.

  106. chazzmon says: Aug 31, 2011 5:58 PM

    Stupid and fast= Raiders draft choice

  107. justwinsomeday says: Aug 31, 2011 5:59 PM

    I don’t get the problem, Otis only scored a 9 and he can run a 40 in less than 4 seconds, can catch a ball over his shoulder in a heartbeat and will practice till he drops.

    Dude is a total asset — now of course he’s my Golden Retriever…….

    Seriously, wtf is wrong this guy. I hate to see people waste gifts.

  108. scudbot says: Aug 31, 2011 6:01 PM

    “The fact that Dan Marino scored a 15 is the argument ender. Either you can play or you can’t.” That’s 50% higher than a 10. Twice+ as high as a 7.

    “Tony Romo Wonderlic = 37″. Is that supposed to mean that Romo has a high Wonderlic score but sucks? Tony Romo has his issues but his career stats are pretty good actually. Completion %=64.1. Ave. per completion=8.0 yds. TDs=118. INTs=62. Passer rating=95.5.

  109. CKL says: Aug 31, 2011 6:12 PM

    realfootballfan says:
    Aug 31, 2011 5:35 PM

    It measures whether you’re good at taking standardized tests, which hardly correlates to intelligence.
    ___________________________________
    I agree with this to a point. Some intelligent/ talented people can’t take tests well (especially timed ones) but are great at their jobs for sure. However, there are also some higher scorers at the Combine who I believe have been prepped for the test and/or take it more than once and get to take the highest score from all their attempts.

    I also believe that there are different types of intelligence. One poster mentioned it about Marino, not really smart “book wise” but had that vision/arm/release. So he had a sort of “visual/spatial” intelligence.

    When I watched Gruden with Pryor and Gruden with Newton, the impression I got was that Pryor was more football intelligent. Maybe that’s fair, maybe not.

    The bottom line is that most good drafting teams view the Wonderlic as part of the whole but game tape, and their own face to face time with the player are probably the most important.

  110. 8man says: Aug 31, 2011 6:15 PM

    If he went to Michigan, he would have scored an 8.

  111. grndizzle says: Aug 31, 2011 6:15 PM

    He sounds like Jimmy Clausen, so what’s ur point?
    ==================================
    I wouldn’t give up on Clausen yet. Obviously he had a rough rookie season, but he was playing on the worst team in the NFL. Most QB’s take a couple years before they can play at the NFL level. I’m pretty sure Clausen doesn’t run a 4.4 forty either.

  112. vikesfansteve says: Aug 31, 2011 6:20 PM

    Wasn’t Vince Young the AP rookie of the year & a two time pro bowler?

    So the Titans bad mouthed him. They are the same team who locked out Steve McNair & keep toying with Chris Johnson.

    Bud Adams gives everyone the finger.

    Vince Young isn’t a bad player.

  113. phinfan says: Aug 31, 2011 6:22 PM

    Well… lets review how stupid he is. He knows its illegal to take money or flaunt money. So what does he do with all that ‘under the table money’? He buys a sports car. Stupid.

  114. vicksprman says: Aug 31, 2011 6:23 PM

    If the Wonderlic means nothing why is this site reporting this story? And by the way Mr Pryor just parlayed that 7 into a big NFL contract so who’s really winning?

  115. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 6:31 PM

    “Tony Romo Wonderlic = 37″. Is that supposed to mean that Romo has a high Wonderlic score but sucks?

    ——————————————————————

    Naah, it means that Tony Romo has a higher Wonderlic score than Vince Young, Michael Vick, and Terrell Pryor combined. Romo obviously doesn’t suck, statistically he’s one of the best QB’s that has ever played and anybody that thinks that he sucks obviously wouldn’t know a good QB if one fell into their laps and deserves to have their Man Card taken away.

    The only reason he isn’t wearing multiple Super Bowl rings is because he hasn’t had a very good team around him. People like to point to his record in December and January but the fact is that breakdowns in the aging and ineffective offensive line have left him running for his life in December and January. Hopefully that changes with the youth movement currently underway. If they can limit the mistakes that young guys typically make, Romo, Austin, Witten, Bryant and Jones are going to make a lot of defenses look pretty silly.

  116. cburmester85 says: Aug 31, 2011 6:42 PM

    WOW! A 7 and just to think he was one year away from being a college graduate. I guess when you’re spending that much time at the tattoo shop who has time for class. Pryor’s just another over hyped dope who will fizzle out in a few years and be broke.

  117. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 6:46 PM

    I agree with purplehayseuss, the Wonderlic is more about how quickly a person can take in and process information and apply a solution under stress than the individual questions themselves. The NFL uses a 50 question version of the test.

  118. baltimoresnativeson says: Aug 31, 2011 6:51 PM

    puahahahaha

  119. bigal1952 says: Aug 31, 2011 7:02 PM

    ClaytonESPN John Clayton
    Steelers GM Kevin Colbert administered T. Pryor’s Wonderlic test and reports the score is significantly higher than the report seven.

  120. 10yardslant says: Aug 31, 2011 7:07 PM

    Terrell Pryor, is an athlete. Those who watch the games know this. When the big game was on, he never showed up. He was out played by Matt Barkley last season on his home turf, he was out played in the Sugar Bowl.

    Take nothing away from his raw talent. But he’s not a quarterback. He’s a solid Receiver/H-Back with the ability to throw the ball better than those who play those positions

  121. jamie54 says: Aug 31, 2011 7:26 PM

    Ohio State edumucation. Then again, he probably never went to class either, unless it was Tatoo Art History. Even then, on line courses someone else took for him.

  122. cleverbob says: Aug 31, 2011 8:46 PM

    Mike Mamula Wonderlic = 49

    Maybe the Cowboys should make him their QB.

  123. radrntn says: Aug 31, 2011 9:18 PM

    classic ‘Mistake”

  124. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 10:05 PM

    Mike Mamula Wonderlic = 49

    Maybe the Cowboys should make him their QB.

    ———————————————————————–

    They might have, had the Eagles not wasted a 7th overall draft pick on the never-was.

  125. dtdt3535 says: Aug 31, 2011 11:03 PM

    I heard a report on the radio that said every time Pryor is interviewed it is like he just woke up. Said that he is one sleepy dude. NFL QB? I don’t think so!

  126. bmorethansteel says: Sep 1, 2011 1:17 AM

    Decent? Hahahahaha

  127. irishfury says: Sep 1, 2011 3:20 AM

    I think that he should have gotten a higher score but some people r genuinely not good at test taking. Plus he’s ur typical scrambling qb he’s definitely on par with the future wash ups like Russell. I also think he will b better than cam newton but I think he will b a horrendous bust as well. Everyone want the next Vick an they will do anything to get him but a good fast black qb who played well in college doesn’t make him Vick

  128. irishfury says: Sep 1, 2011 3:49 AM

    Ok I only scored 35 on the test sample but I’m not good at timed tests I freak out and I’m not a genius by any means how did a guy go to college and do that badly I barely graduated highschool

  129. cleverbob says: Sep 1, 2011 7:54 AM

    melonnhead says:
    Aug 31, 2011 10:05 PM

    Mike Mamula Wonderlic = 49

    Maybe the Cowboys should make him their QB.

    ———————————————————————–

    They might have, had the Eagles not wasted a 7th overall draft pick on the never-was.
    =====================================

    I believe he’s available. Jerry loves paying top dollar to never-was 1st round talent.

  130. dkhhuey says: Sep 1, 2011 2:37 PM

    As a Buckeye fan – I pretty much have more reason to hate this kid than most – but I do not. He screwed up and he has to live with those consequences.

    Having said that – I could care less what he scores on a test because it means absolutely nothing when it comes to strapping on the helmet and walking out on the field to play! It certainly didn’t stop him from realizing that under Jim Tressel @ OSU – he would be taught to be more of a pocket QB than a runner first. He was smart enough to know OSU offered a great chance to play in the NFL. He was smart enough to make the choice to attend the college that would best showcase his abilities at one of the elite colleges in the country. He was smart enough to be the hardest worker and best student in the football classroom and was a sponge absorbing anything and everything the coaching staff taught him. He was smart enough, as a freshman, pick up the offense to a point where he usurped the starting role from a senior. He was smart enough to bring three great seasons to OSU including fantastic wins against Oregon and Arkansas (not to mention whipping Michigan all three years). He was also smart enough to know the tsunami of crap he would face personally as well as inflict on OSU if he stayed and went about getting into the NFL. He is smart enough to earn millions of dollars more than most educated individuals and he is smart enough to realize that he has one and only one shot at making it in the NFL and is saying and doing all the right things!

    For a kid that did nothing illegal – he gets quite a bit of anger vented towards him – again, this is coming from a Buckeye! Give the kid a break and let him prove whether he is good enough to make it in the NFL. I’m betting he does make it!!!

  131. sullijo1 says: Sep 1, 2011 7:04 PM

    That’s good because you can’t score over 8 and live in Oakland.

  132. lostsok says: Sep 2, 2011 1:04 AM

    Ladies and gentlemen, please not this is what you get with an education from “THE” Hubris State University.

    OSU may be the only school on the planet where kids come out dumber and possessing less integrity then when they started.

  133. steelerhypocrite says: Sep 3, 2011 1:02 PM

    Dam, that brofer is smrt.

    sincerilly,

    Dexter Manley #72 – Go Skinz!

  134. sfsaintsfan says: Sep 6, 2011 1:07 AM

    EJ says: Aug 31, 2011 3:52 PM

    “……
    In the NFL Quarterbacks are one of two, either Physically talented or really, really smart. You never see the two combined.”

    Sorry, one exception.

    Steve Young.

  135. luisfvaldes says: Sep 7, 2011 5:14 PM

    If you really wanted to understand the Wonderlic and how it should be used, you should find the user’s manual and read it. You would understand the test and what it tells you about intelligence, problem solving, reading ability, etc.

    Two important points. The reason the Wonderlic was used in the NFL in the first place is that the Dallas Cowboys realized that their offensive and defensive sets and plays were getting too complex for many of the players. They wanted to make sure they were drafting players who could understand the complexities. They were the team that started it all. Yes, America’s Team.

    Secondly, though it does not measure physical ability and on-the-field reactions, which player would you rather draft (if their physical abilities and football experiences/accomplishments were similar), a player who scored a 7 or one who scores a 24?

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