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Vick’s creditors win with new contract

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By signing a six-year deal with $35.5 million guaranteed in lieu of taking a one-year guaranteed franchise tender in the amount of $16.2 million and hoping for a second guaranteed franchise tender of $19.44 million (for a two-year guaranteed haul of $35.6 million), Eagles quarterback Mike Vick opted for the bird in the hand.

For his creditors, the move puts a chicken in their pots.

It’s a beautiful thing,” Vick bankruptcy trustee Joseph Luzinski told Bloomberg.com, adding that the money should “substantially clean up all of the claims.”

Vick originally owed his creditors $20 million, but Luzinski said that, to date, Vick has paid off only a “couple million.”  The Falcons are the largest creditor, with a debt of $7.5 million arising from bonus money that Vick was forced to repay after defaulting on his contract with the team, via his dogfighting conviction.

For the Falcons, it could be about more than getting money back.  The Falcons also could get salary cap credits, as the money comes in from Vick.  NFL spokesman Greg Aiello tells PFT via e-mail that such matters are reviewed on a case-by-case basis, and that the question of whether the Falcons will receive cap credits is currently under review.

David Teel of the Newport News Daily Press reports that, based on Vick receiving $20 million in 2011, $6.76 million will go to creditors, $8 million will go to taxes, and Vick will receive net pay of $5.24 million.

Taking Luzinski’s “couple million” estimate literally, that means the creditors will still be owed another $11.24 million after 2011.  In 2012, Vick is due to make $12.5 million.  In 2013, it’ll be either $16.5 million or $15.5 million.

That probably should be enough to get the full amount cleared up under Vick’s bankruptcy plan.  And perhaps the knowledge that so much of his money will go to others will prompt Vick to be more careful about his spending habits going forward.

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  1. mello10 says: Aug 31, 2011 8:32 AM

    Winning!

  2. myspaceyourface says: Aug 31, 2011 8:37 AM

    This might be more painful than the prison time.

  3. rdrs68 says: Aug 31, 2011 8:37 AM

    too bad for Ron Mexico-he ain’t as rich as he thought.

  4. dldove77 says: Aug 31, 2011 8:38 AM

    Psychotic people don’t think logically, so I seriously doubt owing creditors money is enough to keep Vick in line.

  5. bdawk2020 says: Aug 31, 2011 8:43 AM

    And don’t forget his spending limit imposed by the courts. I think it’s about 4k a month allotted to various things(house, car, etc). He’ll never spend lavishly like he did in the past ever again, so that eliminates concerns from people who have been thinking he’ll go back to his old ways.

  6. scudbot says: Aug 31, 2011 8:43 AM

    Michael Vick: Two-year guaranteed haul of $35.6 million. Aaron Rodgers?
    First-year pay $12.9 million
    Guaranteed amount $20 million
    Average first 3 years $14.26 million
    Average first 4 years $13.13 million
    Average total $10.83 million
    Salary 2008 $12.58 million
    Salary 2009 $680,000 plus $7.42 million roster bonus
    Salary 2010 $6 million
    Salary 2011 $7.25 million
    Salary 2012 $8 million
    Salary 2013 $9.25 million
    Salary 2014 $10.5 million

  7. carnboys says: Aug 31, 2011 8:45 AM

    only in america

  8. clintonportisheadd says: Aug 31, 2011 8:47 AM

    I would have thought Vick would have filed a Chapter 7 “no asset” bankruptcy when he was in jail. However it is good to see folks getting back the money they were owed. They are very very lucky…

  9. mrbigass says: Aug 31, 2011 8:49 AM

    Let the excuses for delaying payment begin……

  10. richie215 says: Aug 31, 2011 8:50 AM

    Damn…he’s owes The Falcons $7.5M after they taxed his original bonus.

    Only organization more crooked than the NCAA is the IRS!

  11. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 8:56 AM

    And you thought Dez was a deadbeat…

  12. bigbwoy000 says: Aug 31, 2011 8:56 AM

    “Psychotic people don’t think logically”
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    Neither do most Vick supporters.

  13. eaglesnoles05 says: Aug 31, 2011 9:02 AM

    Stay motivated and keep learning to play better within the system, man. Let the haters hate, and keep your eye on the playbook and the filmroom.

  14. managod777 says: Aug 31, 2011 9:02 AM

    Again, they were just dogs. Most of you people think he doesn’t deserve a second chance. HA!!!!!!!!!

  15. bombacim says: Aug 31, 2011 9:09 AM

    So apparently he can just pocket the money that he earned from his sponsorships this season without paying that back to the creditors?

  16. managod777 says: Aug 31, 2011 9:11 AM

    Alot of you idiots don’t realize that he was swindled. But I know…y’all don’t care. But I think it’s awesome that he has signed 2 $100mil contracts.

  17. 6thsense79 says: Aug 31, 2011 9:16 AM

    dldove77 says:Aug 31, 2011 8:38 AM

    Psychotic people don’t think logically, so I seriously doubt owing creditors money is enough to keep Vick in line.
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    Psychotic? Because he faught and killed dogs?? So I guess the folks in countries around the world that eat dogs are pyschotic. I guess you’re pyschotic also if you eat hamburgers and Buddhist think that’s unacceptable. I guess entire populations of South Americans and Spanish citizens are psychotic for their love of bull fighting.

    You amature pysichatrists really need to get a grip.

  18. joetoronto says: Aug 31, 2011 9:21 AM

    “And perhaps the knowledge that so much of his money will go to others will prompt Vick to be more careful about his spending habits going forward.”

    Dude is as dumb as they come, don’t count on it.

  19. crumpledstiltskin says: Aug 31, 2011 9:22 AM

    Everyone deserves a second chance but celebrating him like he did some heroic thing is ridiculous. Wow, he got out of jail and hasn’t went back, yet. Amazing comeback story.

  20. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 9:25 AM

    Again, they were just dogs.

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    Yeah, and it was “just” interstate gambling that put him in federal prison.

    And it was “just” herpes that he knowingly infected that woman with, forcing him to pay her a large out-of-court settlement.

    And they were “just” drugs that he tested positive for using.

    I like you. It’s enablers like you that made Ookie think he could get away with all of that stuff in the first place. He’s probably got a spot for you in his new entourage!

  21. smoothjimmyapollo says: Aug 31, 2011 9:25 AM

    “too bad for Ron Mexico-he ain’t as rich as he thought.”

    The good news is that when it’s all said and done, he should still have enough money left over for his Valtrex.

  22. phillyfan4ever says: Aug 31, 2011 9:27 AM

    Good, so all you people who are worried about Vick getting all this money blah blah, he’s still paying a substancial amount to creditors and is still on probation.

    He would be truly retarted if he messed up again….because there will never be another $100 million for him

  23. dldove77 says: Aug 31, 2011 9:35 AM

    @6thsense79 = Dog Killer Supporter.

  24. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 9:38 AM

    Psychotic? Because he faught and killed dogs??

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    I wouldn’t call him psychotic… but I wouldn’t bet that he’s not psychotic. He’s certainly sociopathic. He did it for pleasure. He got off on it. He threw little lap dogs in with vicious fighting dogs because it gave him a sense of pleasure to see them ripped apart. Left to his own devices Ookie would likely develop into a serial killer because that’s how a lot of them get started… torturing and killing animals for the “fun” of it. It’s not really economically feasible right now and he is very much in the public eye but after his career is over, he’ll probably have to start killing people to get the same rush he used to get by seeing little dogs torn to shreds. Actually, he would probably have others do the killing for him. I don’t think it’s coincidence that Quanis Phillips got shot at Ookie’s birthday party a little over a year ago. I’m sure that you do, though.

  25. dldove77 says: Aug 31, 2011 9:40 AM

    @6thsense79

    Your illogical argument shows you’re every bit as dumb as every other Vick apologist. All the people you mentioned in your argument don’t mutilate and torture the animals they kill for food. They aren’t electrocuting them. They aren’t drowning them. They aren’t pulling their teeth out with pliers. They aren’t slamming them into the ground repeatedly until they are lifeless because they performed poorly. To do those things to a domesticated animal…you would have to be psychotic. To defend them? Just plain ignorant.

  26. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 9:40 AM

    You amature pysichatrists really need to get a grip.

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    You Eagles fans really need to get a better education or stop trying to use big words.

  27. httr73 says: Aug 31, 2011 9:41 AM

    And that doesn’t include endorsement money.

  28. wtfru2 says: Aug 31, 2011 9:45 AM

    How about the tax payers do we get anything back?

    We paid to try him convict him and pay his room and board for 2 years. What to we get.

    Oh that’s right we get screwed, as always.

  29. gadzod says: Aug 31, 2011 9:50 AM

    Anybody else find it hilarious that the party that gets the most money out of Vick’s $20M pay check is the government?

  30. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 9:51 AM

    I would have thought Vick would have filed a Chapter 7 “no asset” bankruptcy when he was in jail.

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    Quick way to an abusive filing charge.

  31. lbdpatch says: Aug 31, 2011 9:51 AM

    Stop the jealously. If who ever your teams are you would love to have Vick as your quarter back. He paid his due’s and Is paying his creditors back and has done everything asked of him to change his life. Go back to hourly wage jobs because that all you can do and stop the jealously.. GO EAGLES!!!

  32. blake110 says: Aug 31, 2011 9:51 AM

    I always think it’s funny to read the dumb logic that Vick critics post. Fact is when he’s on prime time – you watch and everybody else does too. Your QB just isn’t as exciting. Who cares what he does with his $$$ anyway…he earned it. It’s not your $…haters stop hating!

  33. vikefan says: Aug 31, 2011 9:55 AM

    ….Good for creditors, bout time someone is not allowed to declare chapter 7 and keep the windfall 2 years later, whoever his creditors attorneys are good for you and i plead you go after wall street next.

  34. dldove77 says: Aug 31, 2011 10:04 AM

    Fact: I did NOT want my team to sign Vick, would not support my team if they had and I appreciate that the owner of my team has enough scruples to not even consider signing a guy like Vick. The fact that Philly fans and Vick apologists can forget what he did simply because he can run fast is mind-boggling.

  35. paulitik74 says: Aug 31, 2011 10:05 AM

    Taking pleasure and getting off on torture is psychotic. If raising and feeding an animal to gain trust in you and then throwing it into a pen to be mutilated and killed, or electricuted or drowned becuase it doesn’t perform isn’t psychotic then I don’t know what is.

    I’m not a fan of hunting, but there isn’t a relationship with a deer before you shoot it. There is no beating or torture.

    Michael Vick is a sadistic maniac saying and doing the right things because he has no choice. It won’t be long before he messes up again.

  36. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 10:11 AM

    Stop the jealously. If who ever your teams are you would love to have Vick as your quarter back.

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    Based on what?

  37. bobbyhoying says: Aug 31, 2011 10:14 AM

    Barry and Joey are salivating at the thoughts of how they can confiscate as much as possible, to spend on their vacations, before the creditors see a dime.

  38. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 10:14 AM

    Stay motivated and keep learning to play better within the system, man. Let the haters hate, and keep your eye on the playbook and the filmroom.

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    You’re talking about a guy that a few short weeks ago couldn’t be bothered to attend all of the lockout practices that HE scheduled.

  39. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 10:15 AM

    Fact: I did NOT want my team to sign Vick, would not support my team if they had and I appreciate that the owner of my team has enough scruples to not even consider signing a guy like Vick. The fact that Philly fans and Vick apologists can forget what he did simply because he can run fast is mind-boggling.

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    It’s a cultural thing. Filthy city, filthy people.

  40. lbdpatch says: Aug 31, 2011 10:21 AM

    once again all you haters won’t mention the names of your teams because you know you have criminals,drug addicts,child molesters,drunk drivers on your teams and your okay with them. convicted or not they are still guity…point and case: OJ simpson,casey anthony

    GO EAGLES

  41. skulman7 says: Aug 31, 2011 10:27 AM

    He did his time and everything after jail that he had to get done to get to where he is now. I’m sure Vick won’t mind only getting 5+ mil this year to finally have all the financial issues with the IRS behind him. 5+ million, not to mention the endorsements that have been flying in and 15 mil next year, I don’t think he’s too upset.

  42. partylikeits1972 says: Aug 31, 2011 10:35 AM

    The anger swims in the blood of the vick detesters, what he did was misguided none the less. The gamblers displayed inhumane behavior, but are we, with our venomous unacceptance to bring another human back into the realm of humanity any better than the ones we despise? We have the ability to rationalize and forgive, that is what makes us human. If you do not forgive when the opportunity is there, then u fail to use the mechanisim that makes us see that dog fighting is wrong, reason.

  43. scudbot says: Aug 31, 2011 10:37 AM

    lbdpatch: evidence that Darwin was wrong about Philadelphia.

  44. 1phd says: Aug 31, 2011 10:42 AM

    Doggone it! That’s a lot of pooch! Mike Vick is top dawg again! ;)

  45. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 10:46 AM

    once again all you haters won’t mention the names of your teams because you know you have criminals,drug addicts,child molesters,drunk drivers on your teams

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    WOW you’re going quite a ways to justify having a diseased, sociopathic ex-con on your team.

  46. alaricsrevenge says: Aug 31, 2011 10:48 AM

    @party…

    nuff said. well done.

  47. lbdpatch says: Aug 31, 2011 10:50 AM

    Still not saying your team Is because you know I’m right.

  48. alaricsrevenge says: Aug 31, 2011 10:51 AM

    @melonhead…

    And 2 years ago the Raven had not 1 but 2 players that killed PEOPLE on their roster in Lewis and Stallworth…

  49. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 10:52 AM

    The anger swims in the blood of the vick detesters, what he did was misguided none the less.

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    “misguided” <——– LOL

    "If you do not forgive when the opportunity is there, then u fail to use the mechanisim that makes us see that dog fighting is wrong, reason."

    That's some of the stinkiest BS I've ever read on PFT. Tell you what. When I'm convinced that Vick's "reform" is for anything but PR purposes, maybe I'll forgive him. If he's still speaking out against dog-fighting and all that crap after he's squandered the tens of millions of dollars the Eagles just gave him and after the spotlight is gone, I promise I'll consider forgiving him. How's that for "reason"?

  50. dldove77 says: Aug 31, 2011 10:52 AM

    “point and case: OJ simpson,casey anthony”

    First, the phrase is “case in point”; second, you’re an idiot.

  51. nav711 says: Aug 31, 2011 11:00 AM

    It couldn’t happen to a nicer guy!

  52. CKL says: Aug 31, 2011 11:01 AM

    lbdpatch says: Aug 31, 2011 10:21 AM

    once again all you haters won’t mention the names of your teams because you know you have criminals,drug addicts,child molesters,drunk drivers on your teams and your okay with them. convicted or not they are still guity…point and case: OJ simpson,casey anthony

    GO EAGLES
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    Yes all teams have some sort of turds. But I would venture to say that those of us who think low of Vick also think low of the turds on our own teams. I know I do. I don’t think Philly fans shouldn’t root for their team anymore if they don’t like Vick. I do think it’s silly and hypocritical to defend Vick the way some of you guys do though.

    I don’t care if Philly wants to give him a BILLION dollars, that’s their choice and they have to deal with the consequences whatever those are. I don’t think it was a wise INVESTMENT though. I think it’s a huge gamble to dump close to 40 mill guaranteed on a guy who had a good half season, is injury prone, and isn’t off probation yet.

  53. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 11:03 AM

    Barry and Joey are salivating at the thoughts of how they can confiscate as much as possible, to spend on their vacations, before the creditors see a dime.

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    OK first of all, “Joey” couldn’t pour water out of a boot if the directions to do so were printed on the heel. Secondly, the more vacations “Barry” goes on, the better. Every time he opens his mouth the economy dies a little bit more. If every PFT reader donated $20 to the Obama vacation fund, the economy might actually recover by next November.

  54. The Shoeman says: Aug 31, 2011 11:19 AM

    managod777 says: Aug 31, 2011 9:02 AM

    Again, they were just dogs.

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    And on a farm .. where the farm pets are cows and pigs , , , remember that when you eat dinner with meat.

    Oh . . . it’s OK ,, I guess if the animals aren’t your pets.

    you hypocritical-self righteous-blowhard.

    oh . . .but they were just your dinner ??

    don’t ever go and pick and choose what can “live an die” . . . until you NEVER EVER have eaten any food in your life !

  55. svcfilmguy says: Aug 31, 2011 11:26 AM

    Criteria for sociopathy:

    failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
    deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure; impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead;
    irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults; reckless disregard for safety of self or others; consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations; lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.

    Let’s see here…knowingly infected a woman with herpes, lying repeatedly to everyone he knew about his crimes until he was forced to plea, being so reckless with his money that he was 10s of millions of dollars in debt, rationalizing his dogfighting with the “it’s a south thing” excuse, repeated violations of the law, etc…

    So, how is Vick *not* a sociopath. Apologists, proceed.

  56. lbdpatch says: Aug 31, 2011 11:26 AM

    hey dldove77 who’s your team? And nobody Is apologizing for Vick. He committed a crime and paid his dues and still Is paying his dues. Your an Idiot if you can’t comprehend that. I’m sure you have had many second chance’s In your life. Your just jealous that Vick Is doing well and you probably don’t have a pot to piss In.

  57. pigskinswag says: Aug 31, 2011 11:26 AM

    When it comes to creditors…ALL THEY DO IS WIN WIN WIN NO MATTER WHAT!

  58. svcfilmguy says: Aug 31, 2011 11:28 AM

    Oh yeah…and the dogfighting. How could I forget that. I also forgot to mention “Ron Mexico”. Use of alias. Another strike.

  59. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 11:33 AM

    And on a farm .. where the farm pets are cows and pigs , , , remember that when you eat dinner with meat.

    Oh . . . it’s OK ,, I guess if the animals aren’t your pets.

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    You really believe that killing animals for food is the same as throwing pomeranians in with pit bulls just so you can get your rocks off by watching it getting torn apart, don’t you? Your parents failed you.

  60. svcfilmguy says: Aug 31, 2011 11:36 AM

    ldbpatch,

    The “who is your team” thing is irrelevant. It is a red herring used to avoid the argument at had. As is the jealous argument. You can stop repeating yourself now. And the “hourly wage job” thing is an adhominem argument.

    Would you mind dropping the staggering number of logical fallacies? It’s just common courtesy, and avoiding them is the most important aspect of rational debate.

  61. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 11:37 AM

    And 2 years ago the Raven had not 1 but 2 players that killed PEOPLE on their roster in Lewis and Stallworth…

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    How quickly you guys forget… Stallworth was once an Eagle, too.

  62. alaricsrevenge says: Aug 31, 2011 11:46 AM

    And 2 years ago the Raven had not 1 but 2 players that killed PEOPLE on their roster in Lewis and Stallworth…

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    How quickly you guys forget… Stallworth was once an Eagle, too.

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    And that was before he killed anyone dopey…

  63. dldove77 says: Aug 31, 2011 11:53 AM

    @lbdpatch

    First, I don’t owe you an explanation about any team which I choose to support. I’m not the one defending a sociopath. You stuck your neck out to defend Vick and that’s why you’re now deflecting.

    Second, the correct spelling you’re looking for is “you’re,” “chances,” and “you’re” again. Although, I wouldn’t expect someone that defends Vick to care about grammar.

  64. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 11:55 AM

    How quickly you guys forget… Stallworth was once an Eagle, too.

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    And that was before he killed anyone dopey…

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    And the only person claiming that Ray Lewis killed anybody is you, dunce. Everybody else in the world knows he didn’t kill anybody but believes that he knows who did kill somebody. And let’s face it, the only reason Stallworth didn’t kill anybody sooner than he did is just luck. He wasn’t any less of a reckless idiot before the killing than he was after it.

  65. ICDogg says: Aug 31, 2011 11:57 AM

    He’s still only allowed to spend 300K a year for himself until everyone is paid off. The rest of the money not already accounted for is to pay off lawyers and accountants, and what’s left of that he is required to put into a savings account.

    Last I heard he might be responsible for another $5M in addition to the $20M originally in the bankruptcy settlement. This was for money he spent for or gave to family members, girlfriend, friends, etc. in the months prior to his declaring bankruptcy

  66. olcap says: Aug 31, 2011 12:00 PM

    Personally, I think he’ll soon start crying about how “the man” is making unreasonable demands on his money, and then all the Vick apologists will be clammering for “the man” to let Vick keep his money, he paid his price, he did his time, yada yada yada yada.

    The one true thing is that money cannot buy class.

  67. alaricsrevenge says: Aug 31, 2011 12:03 PM

    And the only person claiming that Ray Lewis killed anybody is you, dunce. Everybody else in the world knows he didn’t kill anybody but believes that he knows who did kill somebody. And let’s face it, the only reason Stallworth didn’t kill anybody sooner than he did is just luck. He wasn’t any less of a reckless idiot before the killing than he was after it.

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    I don’t think I’m the only one….

    I think Jamal Jackson forgot to feed his fish while at camp and a few may have died…cruel bastard…

  68. depotnator says: Aug 31, 2011 12:20 PM

    How is this a football story?

  69. The Shoeman says: Aug 31, 2011 12:32 PM

    M. Vick = $100 mil

    melonnhead = minimum wage job

  70. CKL says: Aug 31, 2011 12:39 PM

    Vick also defrauded his employees by robbing their 401 k fund IIRC. Hope they are made whole as well.

  71. melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 1:09 PM

    The shoeman: swinging off my marble sack.

  72. jnks10 says: Aug 31, 2011 1:29 PM

    melonnhead says:
    Aug 31, 2011 1:09 PM
    The shoeman: swinging off my marble sack.

    ——–

    We get it you don’t like the eagles. You write on every single article whatever negative thing you can think of about the eagles. You are about 1/7 of the comments on here. Why don’t you search around and get a life. Don’t you have a job? No wonder you hate Vick so much. He lost $100 million dollars and still will make more in 1 day then you do in 1 year.

  73. zeussuperman says: Aug 31, 2011 2:02 PM

    melonnhead says: Aug 31, 2011 9:25 AM

    And they were “just” drugs that he tested positive for using.

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    How do you feel about Michel Irvin?

    Yeah, thought so. Hypocrite.

  74. rcali says: Aug 31, 2011 4:06 PM

    How much does he owe the judges and Goodell for letting him get off easy?

  75. dirtdawg55 says: Aug 31, 2011 6:38 PM

    ibdpatch,

    My team is the Steelers. We have problem children too, most infamously Big Ben. I don’t approve of what he did and am still circumspect abut his apparent rehabilitation. He does deserve a second chance, as we all do, but he has also earned being under the pall of suspicion while he works in that chance.

    I am well paid. I would earn more than the NFL’s league minimum, lets put it that way. I am grateful for my chosen profession and have no qualms with anyone else earning more than me as I am not in a race to see who is paid the most or accumulates the most.

    So, your two primary arguments are out of the way. And I still think Vick is a despicable human being who committed despicable acts (and not hypothetical acts or presumptions of acts – on the record acts for which he did jail time). Defending him is pointless. You, and people like you, defend him because he is winning football games for you (not unlike why some people defend Big Ben). If you want to admit to that, you would at least earn some respect, but tossing out your poorly thought ramblings and tired old cliches only serves to make you look like the uneducated backstreet bum you likely are.

  76. tigrrrr says: Aug 31, 2011 9:02 PM

    @Dirtdawg55
    Well said! TY

  77. marc99gt says: Sep 12, 2011 1:15 AM

    WoW! is about all I can say. I guess if he were a caucasion female that reported her child missing a month later, where the remains were found later, he might not have spent any time in prison.

    There are people that have killed PEOPLE and have not spent a day in prison. I would rather a person killed thousands of dogs before hurting one child.

    If you don’t have children, you just won’t understand my comment.

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