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Obama speech apparently won’t conflict with Saints-Packers kickoff

US President Barack Obama speaks August Getty Images

As the NFL and NBC try to figure out the plans for the season-opening game between the Saints and Packers in light of President Obama’s plan to address a joint session of Congress on the same night, the good news is that Obama apparently plans to steer clear of the start of the football game.

Though an official announcement has not yet been made by the White House, Obama’s speech apparently will begin at 7:30 p.m. ET on September 8, one hour before kickoff of the kickoff to the season.

And so, assuming the absence of any filibustering (a big assumption, given the precise location of the address), the speech should be over before it’s time to play the game.

But plenty of football fans will still find that outcome unacceptable.  The speech is still encroaching on turf that had been reserved for the game, potentially interrupting the pregame coverage on NBC, including the musical acts and the other stuff aimed at getting folks properly lathered up for the official start of the football season — and at permitting Packers fans to properly savor the celebration of their most recent Lombardi Trophy.

It remains unclear whether NBC will preempt the pregame coverage for the purposes of covering the speech, and whether the pregame coverage will be exported to another NBC/Comcast channel.

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  1. giantfan92 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:03 AM

    Obama should test out free agency after this season…

  2. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Sep 1, 2011 9:03 AM

    This guy has to be the center of attention. All he does is give speech after speech saying the same damn thing. We want football, move it to Labor day evening considering it is a speech aimed at jobs.

  3. captaintriumph says: Sep 1, 2011 9:05 AM

    No one wants to watch another of the same boring speeches.

  4. trbowman says: Sep 1, 2011 9:07 AM

    I couldn’t care less about the pregame. As long as I see the game itself, I don’t care.

    Still not going to watch this speech though, lol.

  5. goat2060 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:07 AM

    Wow!! He really is a bears fan.

  6. orakpownd says: Sep 1, 2011 9:07 AM

    I will Keep My Football…..You can keep your change.

  7. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Sep 1, 2011 9:07 AM

    Right call. Enjoy your next four years in office, Mr. President.

  8. sharkskins says: Sep 1, 2011 9:07 AM

    No pregame?

  9. pkrjones says: Sep 1, 2011 9:08 AM

    Or the speech could be moved to any time during the day… those most interested in his plan ARE UNEMPLOYED! It would be replayed countless times throughout the evening for those who care.

  10. semperfi24 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:09 AM

    I plan to pretend the speech will be at the same time as the game, and thus not watch it. I will sum up his speech for all of us…
    -Obama inherited this mess
    -The stimulus made the economy better
    -Obama inherited this mess
    -If re-elected the administration can create jobs
    -Obama inherited this mess
    -Unemployment wont go above 8%
    -Obama inherited this mess
    -We can grow jobs in 57 states
    -Obama inherited this mess

  11. vargafamily1 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:09 AM

    Good God, they still think this guy is some great speaker. NEWS FLASH: We want results, not more rhetoric.

  12. jayr955 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:10 AM

    What’s wrong with Sept 6th? Don’t mess with my Packers.

  13. jacunn2000 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:11 AM

    I pray to God that they keep this narcissist out of our Super Bowl this year. But I am sure he will weasle his way in some how. Just keep politics out of my football.

  14. bengals4evermaybe says: Sep 1, 2011 9:11 AM

    Hmmm…which is worse…politics interfering with football, or football interfering with politics??? I know my answer…Go Pack!

  15. virusgvr says: Sep 1, 2011 9:12 AM

    This is just A-typical of this president. I like how he is a bears fan, and conveniently is making this speech 7 days from now at 7:30pm. What a joke! He couldn’t pick ANY other time? Why couldn’t he do this during his lavish vacation?

  16. lamepftposter says: Sep 1, 2011 9:12 AM

    LOL!!1!!! barack obama, or should i say baraBAD obamPRESIDENT tried to talk during football!!1!! he should like, not be president cause he sucks!11!!! lolololol!!!!1!!!

  17. skf727 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:14 AM

    Good thing he wasn’t up against Dancing With the Stars. He probably would have had to start even earlier.

  18. PFTiswhatitis says: Sep 1, 2011 9:14 AM

    Boehner needs to be strung up by his balls.

  19. allisab says: Sep 1, 2011 9:15 AM

    Here to remind everyone that the speech was moved from 9/7 to 9/8 due to Boehner’s selfishness (and Obama caving in to the GOP again).

    Thumbs down if you’re an illiterate republican.

  20. jenniferxxx says: Sep 1, 2011 9:17 AM

    As long as the mega-wealthy and multi-national corporations don’t have to pay any tax I’m fine with it.

  21. descendency says: Sep 1, 2011 9:17 AM

    See guys… even Obama doesn’t want to miss football.

  22. cowboyfan45 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:19 AM

    Nobody is going to watch Obamo anyway, another day, another lame speech spewing the same ole same ole, class warfare, blame republicans, balanced approach(raise taxes) invest in the future(spend more money we don’t have) High speed rail( not going to happen) Green energy(Throw money down a rat hole and see what happens)…..somewhere Jimmy Carter is smiling, history will be made next year, Obama will be a one term president taking over the crown as thee worst president dropping Jimmy Carter to second on the list..

  23. beauregard says: Sep 1, 2011 9:24 AM

    The speech shouldn’t take too long. Obama will ask for another tax increase of four trillion dollars and promise to fix everything forever. I’m thinking 30 minutes of BS empty fluff then we’re off to watch the season that almost didn’t happen.

  24. dldove77 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:26 AM

    NBC should definitely move forward with plans to carry football pre-game coverage. Anyone who wants to listen to the president will be able to find him on many, many other stations.

  25. joetoronto says: Sep 1, 2011 9:26 AM

    There you go, much ado about nothing.

  26. horatio69 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:26 AM

    The last thing Obummer needs is to interrupt an freakin’ NFL game with one of his lame speeches. At least he’s smart enough to change the timing of his speech, otherwise his approval rating in Wisconsin and Louisiana would drop lower than Rex Grossman’s QB rating….something no one thought was possible!

  27. zaggs says: Sep 1, 2011 9:28 AM

    Really? 3 posts about the president’s speech? Are you hoping if you post enough about it more people will tune in and like him?

  28. cusoman says: Sep 1, 2011 9:29 AM

    — and at permitting Packers fans to properly savor the celebration of their most recent Lombardi Trophy.

    ———–

    Banner raising ceremonies are a waste of time for anyone but the fans of the team it is being raised for, so this really isn’t a big deal.

  29. yzguy431 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:29 AM

    we certainly can’t have anything disturbing our precious football.

  30. chillyp says: Sep 1, 2011 9:30 AM

    Does anyone even watch when this dumba$$ comes on TV and talks? I’d rather watch the Teleprompter over his sweep head left, sweep head right, sweep head left, sweep head right little campaign speech..

  31. bjamesa says: Sep 1, 2011 9:31 AM

    Libya? Healthcare? Economy? Meh…

    Pre-game Football?!?!?! Oh, this has political suicide written all over it. Just do it during halftime. I’m sure the Packers will be winning by so much by then the country will be fine with it…

    GO PACK!!!

  32. billinva says: Sep 1, 2011 9:33 AM

    Just play the game as it was going to be played. There’s 42 other channels one could watch the President on.

  33. packattackisback says: Sep 1, 2011 9:34 AM

    Why is all this crap happening after the Packers won the Super Bowl? Very irritating that the Pack haven’t gotten proper Champion-treatment so far. I’m not a big fan of those bands or anything, but Packers fans deserve to see the whole darn show.

  34. ajpineda86 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:36 AM

    They should just show the pregame coverage. There’s going to be about 10 other stations showing the same damn coverage of Obama’s speech.

  35. blizzard01 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:38 AM

    I think a little perspective is neccessary here. What’s really most important? If cooler heads prevail and proper attention is paid to national priorities, NBC will air the entire pregame concerts without commercial interruption.

  36. moelester says: Sep 1, 2011 9:39 AM

    The musical acts? I think the hardest of the hard core republicans would rather see Obama than the crap the NFL hires as musical acts for these games.

  37. qdog112 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:40 AM

    The obstructionists do all they can to disrespect, dishonor and defeat this president. Their obsession with all things anti-Obama is borderline insanity, at the expense of the nation’s welfare.

  38. abengalfan says: Sep 1, 2011 9:42 AM

    Usuallt the only pre-game show I watch.
    If NBC wants my viewership it won’t show the speech.
    If it does show speech, no probelm I’ll tune to NFLN.

  39. ifyouthinkofgarbagethinkofakeem says: Sep 1, 2011 9:43 AM

    O…bummer!!

  40. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Sep 1, 2011 9:43 AM

    cusoman says:
    Sep 1, 2011 9:29 AM
    — and at permitting Packers fans to properly savor the celebration of their most recent Lombardi Trophy.

    ———–

    Banner raising ceremonies are a waste of time for anyone but the fans of the team it is being raised for, so this really isn’t a big deal.

    _________

    How would you know?

  41. qdog112 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:43 AM

    chillyp says: Sep 1, 2011 9:30 AM

    Does anyone even watch when this dumba$$ comes on TV and talks? I’d rather watch the Teleprompter over his sweep head left, sweep head right, sweep head left, sweep head right little campaign speech..
    ——————————————————
    It not fair, George is not capable of defending himself. He can’t help he’s a dumba$$. Besides he’s out of office.

  42. sterling7 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:44 AM

    There will be plenty of people out there who will say “what is more important, football or this country”? Let me answer that please. I love this country first, foremost, always and forever……..but football gives me everything I love, politicians don’t, they’re ruining this country and I don’t have anymore time for lies and b.s……..football forever!!!

  43. patpatriotagain says: Sep 1, 2011 9:45 AM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says:

    Enjoy your next four years in office, Mr. President.
    —————————————————
    and don’t forget to vacuum under the beds, or else will take away your janitor’s office

  44. whodeytn says: Sep 1, 2011 9:47 AM

    This guy has to be the center of attention. All he does is give speech after speech saying the same damn thing. We want football, move it to Labor day evening considering it is a speech aimed at jobs.
    ==========

    Hey genius, you know he doesn’t decide when to make the speech, right???

  45. mayfieldroadboy says: Sep 1, 2011 9:47 AM

    The President will say nothing that he hasn’t said already; and certainly whatever he does say will be hashed and rehashed on the news channels for days to come.

    Were he to plunk his magic twanger and miraculously change the face of the nation, then his speech should preempt everything. Knowing that his speech will just be a reiteration of all the rhetorical folly for which he is famous, his TV “close up” should be relegated to C-Span.

  46. cleverbob says: Sep 1, 2011 9:48 AM

    virusgvr says:
    Sep 1, 2011 9:12 AM

    This is just A-typical of this president.
    =====================================

    You mean “atypical”? I don’t think it means what you think it means…

  47. whodeytn says: Sep 1, 2011 9:49 AM

    The speech shouldn’t take too long. Obama will ask for another tax increase of four trillion dollars and promise to fix everything forever. I’m thinking 30 minutes of BS empty fluff then we’re off to watch the season that almost didn’t happen.
    ==========

    Yep. And the Republicans will do everything in their power to sabotage this country just so they can blame Obama.

  48. Land Snark says: Sep 1, 2011 9:49 AM

    “The speech is still encroaching on turf that had been reserved for the game, potentially interrupting the pregame coverage on NBC, including the musical acts and the other stuff aimed at getting folks properly lathered up”

    You’re joking right? Who cares? Pregame coverage and whatever has been performer or band they pick to open up is completely useless.

  49. scoops1 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:53 AM

    I rather listen to and watch J-wow address this nation then Obama….

  50. osteelers says: Sep 1, 2011 9:56 AM

    Please Mr President, don’t make me regret my vote anymore than I already do. You have succeeded in messing up just about everything you’ve touched. Please don’t mess up the NFL season kickoff show. I look forward to this time of year.

  51. kevinfromphilly says: Sep 1, 2011 9:58 AM

    Aw, I’m gonna miss Kid freakin’ Rock? Boo hoo.

  52. iminurheadz says: Sep 1, 2011 10:03 AM

    Bush’s fault.

  53. seabreezes51 says: Sep 1, 2011 10:05 AM

    Some things are more important than football.

  54. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Sep 1, 2011 10:07 AM

    whodeytn says: Sep 1, 2011 9:47 AM

    This guy has to be the center of attention. All he does is give speech after speech saying the same damn thing. We want football, move it to Labor day evening considering it is a speech aimed at jobs.
    ==========

    Hey genius, you know he doesn’t decide when to make the speech, right???
    —————————————————–

    Hey genius, he proposed a date and it was shot down due to his slimy politics. In order for a speech to be given to a join session of congress both chambers must approve. But in this instance he picked his date and didn’t get it. Generally Congress goes along with a President’s request out of respect.

    People like you make me support the electoral college or at least the premise on which it was created.

  55. pigeonpea says: Sep 1, 2011 10:09 AM

    Seriously… Does anyone really care what this assclown has to say anymore? The dude has done sweet F.A. to address any of the problems America has faced over the last three years (save for a P.R. op to address “race relations” by having a televised pint with a couple of commoners), and mugs it for the camera every single opportunity he gets. Hell, I am sick of listening to his bull$hit myself, and I don’t even live in America!

    BTW: This is the part where the Looney Left claims I am a “Tea Party Republican”/Palin supporter/Nazi/racist or whatever silly label they can come up with for anyone who disagrees with the idiot currently running their country. Guess what? This moron is just as daft as the retard he replaced. How’s that for a partisan opinion?

  56. greenbay4ever says: Sep 1, 2011 10:11 AM

    So is this a Tea Party website? With all of the ignorant and stupid posts it must be. No one cares about your political beliefs. Save it losers.

  57. 3octaveFart says: Sep 1, 2011 10:14 AM

    If Obama is such a scumbag, then why is the GOP raffling off a gun in Rep. Giffords’ district?
    The same model gun she was shot with, in case you were wondering

  58. ebeg420 says: Sep 1, 2011 10:16 AM

    I’d rather see the 2 hot Kardashians (Kim/Kourtney) address the nation, in Bikinis!!

  59. cull1224 says: Sep 1, 2011 10:17 AM

    The so-called “obstructionists” will respect,honor,and support this president (undeserving of the big-P) when he begins to respect,honor,and support this country. Two and one half years gone by — he has failed in all respects, unless getting his far-left agenda can be called success. It’s time for football , and Nov.’12
    to arrive.

  60. hystoracle says: Sep 1, 2011 10:23 AM

    Heaven forbid football be delayed for National Business. Oh, there is a war – start it on Monday we have football to play. Everything must be scheduled around football. Otherwise we may never get to see the game again. I mean it isn’t even replayed over and over on a league owned cable channel the following week. If they could only invent a machine that will digitally record the game so you could view it later. mmm. Maybe one day.

  61. doowix says: Sep 1, 2011 10:29 AM

    Ron Paul 2012!!

  62. ubummer says: Sep 1, 2011 10:31 AM

    Uh bummer strikes again.

    The only thing that would make him watchable is if he was going to show us the REAL birth certificate, and while he’s at it, maybe he can explain why he has a social security number from Conneticut even though he’s never lived in Connecticut and nobody in his family has ever lived in Conneticut.

    Meanwhile, his illegal alien uncle is out busy getting busted for DUI.

  63. harpoo51 says: Sep 1, 2011 10:33 AM

    After almost three years of Obama I’m reminded of the old phrase “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.” He goes on vacation while people in the country suffer, spending millions on himself, his entourage and all he can come up with are words, words and more words. Deeds, not words, Mr. President. Your voter bloc of non tax payers, illegal immigrants and liberals are killing us. And now you want to pre-empt football? Please go and go sooner rather than later.

  64. jbcommonsense says: Sep 1, 2011 10:35 AM

    If Boehner and the House had not — once again — resorted to petty partisan politics, this speech could have happened as scheduled on Wednesday.

  65. bsizemore68 says: Sep 1, 2011 10:40 AM

    The NO NOTHINGS are alive today, there is no cure for stupid, got to love the tea party, they have replace the republican party, which could be a good thing, however the sheep will follow anyone over the cliff. Bill

  66. capslockkey says: Sep 1, 2011 10:45 AM

    This isn’t 1961. Nationally televised Presidential Addresses should go the way of the dinosaur with modern media and technology we have now. Put up a PDF transcript on whitehouse.gov or even a YouTube video of it and get back to work instead of wasting our time with useless pageantry.

  67. BlackandGoldMNBruinsFan says: Sep 1, 2011 10:48 AM

    Good to know that the majority of the readers on this fabulous site are conservatives!! No more Obama! Now we REALLY need change!

  68. purpleisreallypinkyouknow says: Sep 1, 2011 10:48 AM

    seabreezes51 says:Sep 1, 2011 10:05 AM

    Some things are more important than football.
    __________________________________

    True…however, nothing that this puppet in a suit is going to say or do that will fix any of the things he plans on talking about.

    The only part I would like to hear from his speech is how much more it’s going to cost ME to “create jobs.” Let me guess…a tax levy to create jobs in this country which we know only backfires. When you CUT taxes, that’s when small and medium business can grow….not the other way around like the spending and taxing DEMS seem to think.

    I tell what will create jobs. My team adding onto it’s stadium to the tune of 6,600 seats….booyah.

  69. dondiezel says: Sep 1, 2011 10:49 AM

    You people who are mad about the Pres. addressing the congress and the country, are the problem. 2 wars, lies that the riches economy in the world is broke, record unemployment, and the Sheep are mad they might miss the pre-game.

  70. edpeters101 says: Sep 1, 2011 10:53 AM

    Let’s be real people, football pregame shows are about the most worthless events in our culture. Maybe we can start a trend of having the POTUS make a speech on conditions in the US in place of all pregame shows (for all sports)!

  71. kcraiderdan says: Sep 1, 2011 11:06 AM

    Does anyone actually believe Boehner told the President to move his speech to Thursday specifically? I’m thinking the GOP asked him NOT to have his speech Wednseday. The Dems chose Thursday on purpose, not Boehner and the GOP. You can bet your sweet A$$ it wouldn’t be Thursday if it were a Bears-Saints game. It’s a political power play to make Boehner and the GOP look un-American. Stay classy Obama. You have truly made this county an “OBAMA-nation”.

  72. glac1 says: Sep 1, 2011 11:09 AM

    It’s taken him three years to come up with a plan… and now it’s so urgent he has to cut into the season opener?? The one termer just doesn’t get it.

  73. CKL says: Sep 1, 2011 11:10 AM

    Whether one likes the current President or not, the main point is that there’s 0 reason for his speech to be carried live on that channel when someone who wants to see it can see it elsewhere or people who are that interested in it would be watching football anyway.

    I feel the same way about long basebore updates during football games, celebrity guests in the announcing booth and in game interviews that keep us fans from seeing the live game action.

  74. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Sep 1, 2011 11:12 AM

    jbcommonsense says: Sep 1, 2011 10:35 AM

    If Boehner and the House had not — once again — resorted to petty partisan politics, this speech could have happened as scheduled on Wednesday.
    —————————————————

    Ummm Obama played petty partisan politics by originally wanting to have this speech at the exact same time as the Republican debate. I swear you people are so darn ignorant of the entire situation. Since you are, you have no right to formulate an opinion on it.

  75. stellarperformance says: Sep 1, 2011 11:14 AM

    harpoo51 says:
    Sep 1, 2011 10:33 AM
    After almost three years of Obama I’m reminded of the old phrase “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.”
    ———————————————

    Where was your slurred voice when Bush was putting us in this mess? What? Can’t hear you.

  76. deiong says: Sep 1, 2011 11:16 AM

    man he sure picked a good time to start politicing again for next election , that is all this is. more pr bs. guy has no clue everyone knows hes clueless.. next pres, but please god let him be alittle mature, and have some moral values.

  77. mhalt99 says: Sep 1, 2011 11:16 AM

    “I’d rather see the 2 hot Kardashians (Kim/Kourtney) address the nation, in Bikinis!!”

    “I rather listen to and watch J-wow address this nation then Obama….”

    Why’s our country so f’d up right now…..hmmmmm…what could it be.

    The presidential addresses outside of binladens spoiled porn watching self being wiped from the planet are usually boring and pretty much pointless in todays era of 500 channels and the internet. However like it or not he is still the president and has a right to address the nation.

    Kudos for him to moving the speech up to not interfere with the football…..but the reality is the Reps and Dems are once again playing politics and not caring about us little people.

    Would it have been that hard to have Obama speak Wednesday or have the legislature come back a day or even a week early? That is on the Reps. Of course Obama could have waited a week or given the speech a week early. That is on him and the Dems for playing politics.

    The only thing I can relate this to is kids playing grab-a$$. Maybe I’m crazy and the above quotes are actually right. It seems as if most Reps and Dems these days would rather be watching J-Wow or a Kardashian than actually going to work and doing THEIR JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!

  78. keepitsimplestoopid says: Sep 1, 2011 11:26 AM

    I’m pretty sure no one in recorded history has said “Oh gosh darn it, I missed the pre-game show!”

    Not even for the Superbowl.

  79. thephantomstranger says: Sep 1, 2011 11:26 AM

    I have really enjoyed reading 90% of these comments. I have an increased respect for PFT commenters, who seem to represent the views of the backbone of the nation, not the DC, New York, and California people we’re forced to listen to on TV.

  80. thephantomstranger says: Sep 1, 2011 11:27 AM

    The obvious solution to this is for NBC to not air the speech and allow people who want to see it watch it on one of the other 34 networks that will carry it. The reason that isn’t happening is because GE owns NBC and Obama owns GE.

  81. kenny1960 says: Sep 1, 2011 11:28 AM

    Here is a preview of what he will say in his speech . All our problems are caused not by my anti business policies, But by corporate millionaires and billionaires ( Except Jeffery Immelt , President of NBC and this website ). Evil Republicans, The Tea Party, Big Oil, Coal, Basically everyone and everything but his own incompetence .

  82. thephantomstranger says: Sep 1, 2011 11:29 AM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Sep 1, 2011 9:07 AM
    Right call. Enjoy your next four years in office, Mr. President.
    ____________

    I knew you were kind of a dim bulb, but you can’t really believe he has a chance to win reelection. He just lost Wisconsin with this stupid move.

  83. silverhornet says: Sep 1, 2011 11:34 AM

    What is NBC worried about? Ratings? I have a feeling their ratings will be sky high if they choose to show the pregame coverage as normally scheduled rather than another boring speech by Osama.

  84. glac1 says: Sep 1, 2011 11:35 AM

    NBC is one of the mainstream media members that the left uses as their pawns. NBC will air their poster child.

  85. maddog111 says: Sep 1, 2011 11:38 AM

    bsizemore68 says:
    Sep 1, 2011 10:40 AM
    The NO NOTHINGS are alive today, there is no cure for stupid, got to love the tea party, they have replace the republican party, which could be a good thing, however the sheep will follow anyone over the cliff. Bill
    ———————————————–
    “The NO NOTHINGS”. Priceless. And he thinks he actually just made a point.

  86. mrfusion123 says: Sep 1, 2011 11:39 AM

    Ummm Obama played petty partisan politics by originally wanting to have this speech at the exact same time as the Republican debate. I swear you people are so darn ignorant of the entire situation. Since you are, you have no right to formulate an opinion on it.

    —————————-

    Yea he’s so darn uppity. Who does he think he is?

    Oh yea…….the freaking President of the United States. But we can’t let him speak because there’s a GOP debate.

    If you need anymore evidence that the GOP cares more about winning elections than the good of the country…..you might belong to the Tea Party

  87. glac1 says: Sep 1, 2011 11:43 AM

    His newest plan…. Increase spending, Increase our debt.. AND raise taxes on the upper and middle class. I think we’ve heard this before!

  88. pftequalsgreatjournalism says: Sep 1, 2011 11:48 AM

    ebeg420 says:Sep 1, 2011 10:16 AM

    I’d rather see the 2 hot Kardashians (Kim/Kourtney) address the nation, in Bikinis!!

    ————————–

    Just as long as we don’t have to look at Horse Face aka Khloe, then I am with you…

  89. osteelers says: Sep 1, 2011 11:49 AM

    I can tell that some of you think that the jobs speech is important, so here is a link….

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/01/obamas-jobs-speech-in-ohio-the.html

    to the jobs speech he gave in 2010.

    Ok then, lets play some football!!!!!!!!!!

  90. xxbomberxx says: Sep 1, 2011 11:49 AM

    So all of this hand ringing and angst wasnt even warranted, turns out the speech wont conflict with the game after all, probably just another ploy to drum up comments on this site… well done #sarcasm

  91. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Sep 1, 2011 11:49 AM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Sep 1, 2011 11:29 AM
    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Sep 1, 2011 9:07 AM
    Right call. Enjoy your next four years in office, Mr. President.
    ____________

    I knew you were kind of a dim bulb, but you can’t really believe he has a chance to win reelection. He just lost Wisconsin with this stupid move.

    ___________

    Dim bulb? Why are you so angry? Is it because your (for now anyway…) team is so terrible? The people of Wisconsin understand that the President of the United States of America (show a little respect, why don’t you?) has the right to be heard. We appreciate that he is making sure that the ALL the people of this GREAT land will get to watch the current Super Bowl Champions kick off the new season!

  92. Ralphie says: Sep 1, 2011 11:53 AM

    greenbay4ever says:
    Sep 1, 2011 10:11 AM
    So is this a Tea Party website? With all of the ignorant and stupid posts it must be. No one cares about your political beliefs. Save it losers.

    _______________________________
    Free speech cheesehead. They have the right to say what they want. No one cares about your political beliefs either. Go read the Huffy Post if you need to feel better about yourself.

  93. qoojo says: Sep 1, 2011 11:55 AM

    So why do we behave like there are still only 3 main channels? NBC should simply drop it and do its normal pre-game junk, and let ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, FOX, FauxNews and whatever other channels handle it.

  94. wallyhorse says: Sep 1, 2011 11:56 AM

    Actually, I don’t think this will be acceptable to Godell at all, as it will stymie the NFL, preventing many fans from properly being able to get psyched up for the Saints-Packers game.

    What I see happening now is Godell pressuring the Republicans to move their scheduled debate to Friday, Sept. 9 (from Wed. 9/7), which would allow Obama to have his speech as originally scheduled for Wednesday 9/7 and the NFL game unopposed by either. The NFL can’t move their game to Friday 9/9 barring getting a waiver from Congress because of laws in place to protect college and high school football dating back to the early 1960′s that forbid the NFL from televising games outside the home markets of the teams playing in the game between 6:00 PM ET Friday and 11:59 PM locally on Saturday.

    The one and only way the NFL can get around this entirely would be to move up the Saints-Packers opener to Tuesday 9/6 barring getting a waiver from Congress, which would be strongly opposed by school districts because it would adversely affect attendance at high school games that Friday if the game were moved to Sept. 9. That’s why I think Godell might pressure the Republicans to move their debate to Friday 9/9 regardless of logistical issues. The NFL is the 800-pound gorilla of sports and the one pro sports league that could insist on such a move. Given how important the season-opening game is to the NFL and NBC, and how if the ratings are down (whether it be because of the speech because more casual fans would be tuned into news outlets to watch the aftermath or because others could not get “properly psyched” for the game) it could force the NFL to compensate NBC with an additional prime time game later this season or sometime next season to make up for losing ratings on the opening game (which are far more important to NBC given how ratings-challenged the network has been in prime time in recent years), I suspect Godell may try to “guilt trip” the Republicans into moving their debate to Friday 9/9 so the NFL isn’t affected at all by this.

  95. brutus3413 says: Sep 1, 2011 11:58 AM

    bsizemore68 says:
    Sep 1, 2011 10:40 AM
    The NO NOTHINGS are alive today, there is no cure for stupid, got to love the tea party, they have replace the republican party, which could be a good thing, however the sheep will follow anyone over the cliff. Bill

    ———–

    Just so you don’t make the mistake in the future… “NO NOTHINGS” is actually spelled “Know Nothings”. But, regardless of that error, I am impressed with your intellect and your ability to voice your opinion with confidence.

  96. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Sep 1, 2011 12:01 PM

    mrfusion123 says: Sep 1, 2011 11:39 AM

    Ummm Obama played petty partisan politics by originally wanting to have this speech at the exact same time as the Republican debate. I swear you people are so darn ignorant of the entire situation. Since you are, you have no right to formulate an opinion on it.

    —————————-

    Yea he’s so darn uppity. Who does he think he is?

    Oh yea…….the freaking President of the United States. But we can’t let him speak because there’s a GOP debate.

    If you need anymore evidence that the GOP cares more about winning elections than the good of the country…..you might belong to the Tea Party
    ————————————————

    Your statement just showed that you belong to the 38% of the ignorant in this country. If you think for a minute that Obama wanted to have his speech at the same time as the republican debate for any other reason than because of the election then you are so lost it isn’t worth trying to save you. I would imagine had Bush done it you would be saying the same thing I am (and you would be right to do so).

  97. wetpaperbag2 says: Sep 1, 2011 12:07 PM

    I really hate mixing governmental politics with sports.

    But with that being said, what is more important? A game that only affects three hours of our lives or the decisions of an elected few that can affect generations?

    Oh wait, I forgot that the NFL is a corporation…and corporations are “people” too. :roll eyes:

  98. depotnator says: Sep 1, 2011 12:07 PM

    I seems that this site actively deletes any post that it thinks is disrepectful to the site, but allows trash talking against the President of the United States on here. Shameful.

  99. philtration says: Sep 1, 2011 12:07 PM

    thephantomstranger says: Sep 1, 2011 11:26 AM
    I have really enjoyed reading 90% of these comments. I have an increased respect for PFT commenters, who seem to represent the views of the backbone of the nation, not the DC, New York, and California people we’re forced to listen to on TV.
    ====================================
    So the backbone of the nation is not where all the people live but the hole in the wall bumpkin towns where everyone is related and has no real understanding of the world outside of a 50 mile radius of their own dump?

    You don’t get elected President by getting the people of Pigsknuckel Arkansas. to vote for you.

  100. sevensixtwonato says: Sep 1, 2011 12:08 PM

    bsizemore68 says:
    Sep 1, 2011 10:40 AM
    The NO NOTHINGS are alive today, there is no cure for stupid
    ————————————————–

    Ummm…dude?

  101. thephantomstranger says: Sep 1, 2011 12:10 PM

    @wallyhorse –

    I appreciate the time you took to write that, but it really doesn’t make any sense at all. The NFL doesn’t have to move their game and the Republicans don’t have to move their debate. Obama needs to stop picking dates where there is a conflict.

  102. 1phd says: Sep 1, 2011 12:11 PM

    cowboyfan45 says: Sep 1, 2011 9:19 AM

    Nobody is going to watch Obamo anyway, another day, another lame speech spewing the same ole same ole, class warfare, blame republicans, balanced approach(raise taxes) invest in the future(spend more money we don’t have) High speed rail( not going to happen) Green energy(Throw money down a rat hole and see what happens)…..somewhere Jimmy Carter is smiling, history will be made next year, Obama will be a one term president taking over the crown as thee worst president dropping Jimmy Carter to second on the list..
    ___________________________
    W will always hold that title and is never in danger of any other President ever taking the crown from him. And though Obama has sucked in his own unique way, at least it’s been done with an acceptable level of intelligence and competency, something lacking by his predecessor and most of the posters here. Oh and he really did inherit this mess from the worst loser we’ve ever had.

  103. fishercob says: Sep 1, 2011 12:28 PM

    “My fellow Americans:
    Osama bin Laden is still dead. Just wanted to remind you.
    Peace out,
    Barry O”

  104. electstat says: Sep 1, 2011 12:35 PM

    I’m guessing that the advertisers that spent money for the pregame don’t think it’s a waste of time.

  105. orakpownd says: Sep 1, 2011 12:37 PM

    @fishercob

    “Your Welcome BarryO..next time dont take all the credit”

    Leon E. Panetta

  106. thephantomstranger says: Sep 1, 2011 12:38 PM

    philtration says:
    Sep 1, 2011 12:07 PM
    thephantomstranger says: Sep 1, 2011 11:26 AM
    I have really enjoyed reading 90% of these comments. I have an increased respect for PFT commenters, who seem to represent the views of the backbone of the nation, not the DC, New York, and California people we’re forced to listen to on TV.
    ====================================
    So the backbone of the nation is not where all the people live but the hole in the wall bumpkin towns where everyone is related and has no real understanding of the world outside of a 50 mile radius of their own dump?

    You don’t get elected President by getting the people of Pigsknuckel Arkansas. to vote for you.
    __________

    California, New York, and DC represent 18.1% of the population of this country, so no, all the people don’t live there. My only point is this is where all the people you see commenting on politics on TV are from. You actually do get elected president by getting the people in states outside of these areas to vote for you.

  107. cleverbob says: Sep 1, 2011 12:42 PM

    “Pigsknuckel Arkansas” :)

    I always enjoy when “the backbone” pipes up and tries to claim that the east and west coasts (better known as the majority of the US population) are not true Americans.

  108. Deb says: Sep 1, 2011 12:43 PM

    It’s ridiculous the President can’t hold the speech on Wednesday because of the weekly squabble-fest of minor Republican candidates.

    But I e-mailed my complaint to the White House. If enough people complain about disrupting the opening of football season with a joint session of Congress, maybe they’ll move it to Tuesday. And whether you like him or not, when writing the White House, remember he’s the President of our nation and show some manners.

  109. thephantomstranger says: Sep 1, 2011 12:44 PM

    1phd says:
    Sep 1, 2011 12:11 PM
    W will always hold that title and is never in danger of any other President ever taking the crown from him. And though Obama has sucked in his own unique way, at least it’s been done with an acceptable level of intelligence and competency, something lacking by his predecessor and most of the posters here. Oh and he really did inherit this mess from the worst loser we’ve ever had.
    __________

    While it’s true that W was a bad president and the economic mess started while he was in office, it is also true that Obama has not only continued the policy of spending money we don’t have, he has exponentially increased the amount of spending. Consequently, the economy has gotten worse since he came into office. I’m not sure how this represents an acceptable level of intelligence or competency.

    I might also add that the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006 and it went downhill from there. The president doesn’t control everything, you know.

  110. fillyfan9988 says: Sep 1, 2011 12:44 PM

    My prediction:

    Pro Football Ratings: 18.7

    Presidential Speech Ratings 1.1

  111. tombradysponytail says: Sep 1, 2011 12:51 PM

    Deb says:
    Sep 1, 2011 12:43 PM
    It’s ridiculous the President can’t hold the speech on Wednesday because of the weekly squabble-fest of minor Republican candidates.

    But I e-mailed my complaint to the White House. If enough people complain about disrupting the opening of football season with a joint session of Congress, maybe they’ll move it to Tuesday. And whether you like him or not, when writing the White House, remember he’s the President of our nation and show some manners.

    __________

    You go, girl!

  112. tombradysponytail says: Sep 1, 2011 12:53 PM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Sep 1, 2011 12:38 PM
    philtration says:
    Sep 1, 2011 12:07 PM
    thephantomstranger says: Sep 1, 2011 11:26 AM
    I have really enjoyed reading 90% of these comments. I have an increased respect for PFT commenters, who seem to represent the views of the backbone of the nation, not the DC, New York, and California people we’re forced to listen to on TV.
    ====================================
    So the backbone of the nation is not where all the people live but the hole in the wall bumpkin towns where everyone is related and has no real understanding of the world outside of a 50 mile radius of their own dump?

    You don’t get elected President by getting the people of Pigsknuckel Arkansas. to vote for you.
    __________

    California, New York, and DC represent 18.1% of the population of this country, so no, all the people don’t live there. My only point is this is where all the people you see commenting on politics on TV are from. You actually do get elected president by getting the people in states outside of these areas to vote for you.

    _________

    Yes, but they represent 32.2% of the electoral votes required to win the Presidency. Don’t you have some pig’s feet you need to go boil?

  113. thephantomstranger says: Sep 1, 2011 1:01 PM

    Deb says:
    Sep 1, 2011 12:43 PM
    It’s ridiculous the President can’t hold the speech on Wednesday because of the weekly squabble-fest of minor Republican candidates.

    But I e-mailed my complaint to the White House. If enough people complain about disrupting the opening of football season with a joint session of Congress, maybe they’ll move it to Tuesday. And whether you like him or not, when writing the White House, remember he’s the President of our nation and show some manners.
    ____________

    One of those “minor Republican candidates” will be your next president, so show some respect.

  114. thephantomstranger says: Sep 1, 2011 1:02 PM

    tombradysponytail says:
    Sep 1, 2011 12:53 PM
    Yes, but they represent 32.2% of the electoral votes required to win the Presidency. Don’t you have some pig’s feet you need to go boil?
    ____________

    How many presidents have won the election with 32.2% of the electoral vote?

  115. mediasloppy says: Sep 1, 2011 1:30 PM

    Congress can only do this joint address on Wednesday or Thursday, because that’s how things work in that town. But your average hater can’t seem to understand that…

  116. tombradysponytail says: Sep 1, 2011 1:32 PM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Sep 1, 2011 1:02 PM
    tombradysponytail says:
    Sep 1, 2011 12:53 PM
    Yes, but they represent 32.2% of the electoral votes required to win the Presidency. Don’t you have some pig’s feet you need to go boil?
    ____________

    How many presidents have won the election with 32.2% of the electoral vote?

    __________

    Actually, this is kind of interesting. In the last 100 years or so only one person has won the presidency without winning CA and/or NY. That was “W.” Almost uniformly accepted as one of the worst presidents ever. I’m just saying, you backbones might want to study a little harder…or maybe we can just restrict voting to CA and NY. Think about how much money that would save!

  117. philtration says: Sep 1, 2011 1:39 PM

    I can see why some of the people here get all confused and call the President of the United States “Osama”

    He is after all the President that killed Osama Bin Laden after the tough talking cowboy decided that he was not worth the trouble.
    Helped to get rid of that turd Gaddafi in Libya too.
    Why he has even been knocking off every new Al Qaeda leader that they promote within weeks of their new job.

    9/11 is just around the corner so it is time for the party that was in office that day to remind us of how they are the ones that will keep the terrorists from attacking the U.S. again.
    Some people are all talk while others actually do their job.

  118. Deb says: Sep 1, 2011 1:41 PM

    thephantomstranger says:
    Deb says:
    It’s ridiculous the President can’t hold the speech on Wednesday because of the weekly squabble-fest of minor Republican candidates.

    But I e-mailed my complaint to the White House. If enough people complain about disrupting the opening of football season with a joint session of Congress, maybe they’ll move it to Tuesday. And whether you like him or not, when writing the White House, remember he’s the President of our nation and show some manners.
    ____________

    One of those “minor Republican candidates” will be your next president, so show some respect.

    *******************************

    When and if one of them becomes my President, I will show that person the respect due the office just as I did George W. Bush. Right now, they are minor Republican candidates, and my President is Barack Obama.

  119. mumakata says: Sep 1, 2011 1:49 PM

    twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Sep 1, 2011 11:12 AM

    Ummm Obama played petty partisan politics by originally wanting to have this speech at the exact same time as the Republican debate. I swear you people are so darn ignorant of the entire situation. Since you are, you have no right to formulate an opinion on it.

    ———————————–
    Don’t bother. Informed people know you are correct.The idiots on here blaming Boehner for this are ignorant of the situation. Obummer was trying to stamp out coverage of the debate becuase he is a petty narciscist. And his supporters are fools.

  120. dbeehner says: Sep 1, 2011 1:50 PM

    The speech won’t interfer with the kickoff. The NFL has already made kickoffs irrelevant. Of course partisan politics have made the speech irrelevant, too.

  121. ugaboogaloo says: Sep 1, 2011 1:51 PM

    This looks like a slightly more civil Yahoo! News story comment section.

    The important thing here is that the address will start early enough for people to watch it (if they wish) and then watch the game. That’s good for any fans who want to watch both. Yippee.

    So…Packers 30, Saints 24, right?

  122. Deb says: Sep 1, 2011 1:52 PM

    And thephantomstranger, you need to look more closely at voting demographics. Forget the red state/blue state nonsense and look at the numbers in each state. What you’ll find is that most states are almost 50/50. And even in the most dedicated red states, 40 percent of voters support Democrats. That’s a lot of people.

    This is the United States of America–one nation. No region is more American than another. The rhetoric you’re spewing about the backbone of the country versus the fringe states is similar to the divisive language used in State’s Rights debates prior to the Civil War. That war was fought and those issues were decided–at the cost of more American lives than in any other military action. We don’t need that kind of rhetoric in 2011.

    If you don’t want to be part of the United States of America, respecting our government regardless of your personal leanings, and working together for solutions to national problems, then leave. Don’t dishonor those who died for our country by trying to destroy it from within.

    Now I’m signing off on this topic. If I wanted to talk politics, I’d go to a political blog.

  123. nofunleague says: Sep 1, 2011 1:53 PM

    PFTiswhatitis…at least Boehner has a pair. That’s more than I can say for this weasel, cue card reading waste of a president. He tried to pull a fast one and the intelligent ones caught him. He could speak on Christmas day and no one would care. Just go away weasel

  124. mikemccarthyisfat says: Sep 1, 2011 2:21 PM

    for all you boners out there, this time slot was suggested by none other than boehner.

  125. wozzmann1955 says: Sep 1, 2011 2:44 PM

    Speeches?We dont need no stinking speeches,,show us you’ve done somthin Biotch ,,actions speak louder then words anyways.Dumbass speeches,GTFOH

  126. thephantomstranger says: Sep 1, 2011 2:59 PM

    Deb says:
    Sep 1, 2011 1:52 PM
    And thephantomstranger, you need to look more closely at voting demographics. Forget the red state/blue state nonsense and look at the numbers in each state. What you’ll find is that most states are almost 50/50. And even in the most dedicated red states, 40 percent of voters support Democrats. That’s a lot of people.

    This is the United States of America–one nation. No region is more American than another. The rhetoric you’re spewing about the backbone of the country versus the fringe states is similar to the divisive language used in State’s Rights debates prior to the Civil War. That war was fought and those issues were decided–at the cost of more American lives than in any other military action. We don’t need that kind of rhetoric in 2011.

    If you don’t want to be part of the United States of America, respecting our government regardless of your personal leanings, and working together for solutions to national problems, then leave. Don’t dishonor those who died for our country by trying to destroy it from within.

    Now I’m signing off on this topic. If I wanted to talk politics, I’d go to a political blog.
    ___________

    Give me a break, Deb. All I said was the commenters on PFT better represent the mood of the country than the talking heads we see on news programs. If you look at the approval ratings for your guy Obama, you would see that I’m right. All of a sudden I’m dishonoring those who died for our country by trying to destroy it from within? I think your guy has that covered. I never said one region was more American than another. I think it was tombradysponytail who said New York and California should be the only states that vote for president, but I don’t see you attacking him, because he agrees with your politics, no doubt.

  127. skf727 says: Sep 1, 2011 3:03 PM

    tombradysponytail wrote:

    Actually, this is kind of interesting. In the last 100 years or so only one person has won the presidency without winning CA and/or NY. That was “W.” Almost uniformly accepted as one of the worst presidents ever. I’m just saying, you backbones might want to study a little harder…or maybe we can just restrict voting to CA and NY. Think about how much money that would save!

    This is idiotic on many levels.

    1. GW Bush being “uniformly accepted” as one of the worst presidents is as definitive as man-made global warming being “uniformly accepted’ by the scientific community. The assertion is simply not true much to the dismay of the asserter no matter how forcefully he asserts it.

    2. CA and NY were both carried by Gore and Kerry…what’s your point?

    3. You mention CA and NY two of the brokest of the broke states and “saving money” without a hint of irony.

    By Nov 2012, a ham sandwich beats Obama and he next administration begins dismantling the FDR Welfare State- so richly overdue.

    My only question is when does someone worthwhile appear on the dime now that it is only worth about a nickel?

  128. pigskinswag says: Sep 1, 2011 3:11 PM

    Behold the onslaught of President Obama hatred…I bet the only thing the majority of you who have posted these negative comments about President Obama have ever run is your MOUTHS. He’s running an entire nation. He’s our president. Like it or not, either you or someone you know helped get President Obama elected. At least he’s attempting to do something about the problems. Last time I checked, sitting here complaining and posting comments on message boards didn’t stimulate the economy or create jobs. It’s the truth and I don’t give a damn how many thumbs down this comment gets.

    b/t/w this website is called ProFootballTalk, not PoliticFootballTalk

  129. ilovefoolsball says: Sep 1, 2011 3:14 PM

    It seems like this is just another way to stick it to Chicago’s long time rival. I’m sure some bears fans will like it because most of them are classless.

  130. zeussuperman says: Sep 1, 2011 4:14 PM

    If you need anymore evidence that the GOP cares more about winning elections than the good of the country…..you might belong to the Tea Party

    ———————–

    Amen!

    The nutbag right, destroying this country since Richard Nixon.

  131. zeussuperman says: Sep 1, 2011 4:20 PM

    philtration says: Sep 1, 2011 12:07 PM

    So the backbone of the nation is not where all the people live but the hole in the wall bumpkin towns where everyone is related and has no real understanding of the world outside of a 50 mile radius of their own dump?

    You don’t get elected President by getting the people of Pigsknuckel Arkansas. to vote for you.

    ——————————

    Oh, but didn’t you know? That’s the “Real America” full of “Real Americans”

    Not, you know, the portions of the country that actually make a profit and pay more tax dollars to the US Government than they receive; nope. Real America is all of the “Git-R-Dun” states.

  132. zeussuperman says: Sep 1, 2011 4:23 PM

    I guarantee 2/3 of these people railing against Obama are on the dole, somehow.

    They either used an emergency room without insurance, or stood in an unemployment line at some point.

    Typical Republican mindset. Keep your damn goverment out of my life, unless I need something from you, and then… y’know, because it’s already there… but I will dismantle this program… as soon as I profit off of it.

  133. jimmeey says: Sep 1, 2011 4:48 PM

    Yes, changing it to Labor Day makes perfect sense because it is related to labor anyway.

    Go Packers!

  134. thephantomstranger says: Sep 1, 2011 5:13 PM

    zeussuperman says:
    Sep 1, 2011 4:23 PM
    I guarantee 2/3 of these people railing against Obama are on the dole, somehow.

    They either used an emergency room without insurance, or stood in an unemployment line at some point.

    Typical Republican mindset. Keep your damn goverment out of my life, unless I need something from you, and then… y’know, because it’s already there… but I will dismantle this program… as soon as I profit off of it.
    ___________

    Take a look at the party affiliations of the 50% of the country that don’t pay income tax. The people who don’t pay in but are getting a check from the government vote for your party by a wide margin. This is obvious to everyone but you.

  135. axespray says: Sep 1, 2011 6:03 PM

    packattackisback says:Sep 1, 2011 9:34 AM
    “Why is all this crap happening after the Packers won the Super Bowl? Very irritating that the Pack haven’t gotten proper Champion-treatment so far. I’m not a big fan of those bands or anything, but Packers fans deserve to see the whole darn show.”
    ————————————————–
    No doubt, our team finally wins the championship after 14 years, then a couple days later BAM! lockout.
    Now, heading into this season, all everyone’s been talking about are Vick This, Eagles that, Ocho this, Patriots that. Hello! we’re kinda the current champs, hello? Anyone notice that we’ve got the Lombardi trophy?
    Kinda feel that my team has been a little disrespected here tbh.

  136. Deb says: Sep 1, 2011 6:33 PM

    @thephantomstranger …

    You should have read enough of my posts to know better. I didn’t see his comment because I’ve only scanned, but my views are the same whether it’s Republicans claiming they’re more American or Democrats claiming they are. We’re all Americans. I’m registered with no party affiliation and have voted and worked for candidates from both parties. And I behave respectfully when speaking about the President even if I can’t stand him because I’m an American and that’s my President. The divisiveness and disrespectfulness everyone displays just embarrasses me. All we’re doing is crippling the country.

  137. skins4343 says: Sep 2, 2011 2:37 PM

    This guy takes a vacation and says hey Ill get to your job thingy when I get back and then he tries to show up the republican debate and it the republicans fault the speech is on Thursday?? Why cant liberals think instead of just feel? You know, common sense is good for you, you should use it sometime. I really worry about where we are headed in this gimme gimme gimme country, “he has more take it from him and give it to me, make him work harder miss his family miss his twenties so he can take care of his family and pay for my i-phone, lottery, beer and my illigitimate child”. Those damn hardworking greedy republicans make you sick? where would you be without us? at work cause you would have to take care of YOURSELF!

  138. cleverbob says: Sep 2, 2011 2:53 PM

    ^^^Speaking of long, boring speeches that no one wants to hear/read…

    No one is going to change anyone’s opinion here, but everyone already knows that.

  139. thridandlong says: Sep 6, 2011 6:49 PM

    Change We Believe In….The channel….Yes We Can and Will !

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