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Jags need to sell a lot of tickets to avoid Week One blackout

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When the Titans visit the Jaguars on September 11, Tennessee tailback Chris Johnson will be present.  The only question left is whether enough other people will be present to allow the game to be televised.

As of Tuesday, more than 10,000 unsold non-premium tickets remained.  Per Jacksonville Business Journal (via SportsBusiness Daily), the Jags decided to give away free tickets to Thursday night’s preseason finale against the Rams to anyone who purchased tickets to the Week One game, on a one-for-one basis.

The size of the dent that the promotion made isn’t yet known.  Regardless of the number of unsold seats, the Jaguars are optimistic (unlike the Bucs) that the tickets will be sold.

“The last thing we want is the first regular season game to be blacked out,” Mackey Weaver, the team’s Vice President of Marketing and Sales, told ActionNewsJax.com.  “With the 9/11 significance of the game and the hated Tennessee Titans as the opponent, we’re going to have a big rally here.”

That’s what makes the looming blackouts for both the Bucs and Jaguars even more troubling.  These are home openers, and intriguing matchups.  The Jags host a division rival, the Bucs host the Detroit’s new darlings of the NFL, and the Dolphins host the high-powered Houston offense.

The late Sam Kinison used to say that starving people in Third World countries should live where the food is.  To be as successful as possible, the NFL eventually will have to move teams to where the people — and thus the money — are.

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89 Responses to “Jags need to sell a lot of tickets to avoid Week One blackout”
  1. joetoronto says: Sep 2, 2011 1:20 PM

    Hurry, get the tarps out!

  2. jacunn2000 says: Sep 2, 2011 1:20 PM

    Jags need to move to another state to avoid a week 1 blackout.

  3. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Sep 2, 2011 1:24 PM

    The Blackout rule needs to be removed. NOW!

  4. djzupp says: Sep 2, 2011 1:24 PM

    this is why the jags should be the team to move to L.A..awful fan base

  5. mkrip says: Sep 2, 2011 1:25 PM

    Blackouts seem like a horrible idea to me. It will bring even less exposure for your team to the local fans and push them even further towards losing interest in the team.

  6. bradygazelle says: Sep 2, 2011 1:25 PM

    Once they lower the price to $9 per ticket like last season they might sell enough to get the game on television.

  7. rayvens says: Sep 2, 2011 1:25 PM

    Shouldve drafted Tebow…he sucks as a QB, but he sells tickets.

  8. marshb13 says: Sep 2, 2011 1:26 PM

    here we go pile on the jags. way to go

  9. gadzod says: Sep 2, 2011 1:26 PM

    So disgusting……There is talks of the Vikings/Bills of moving to LA, and they are sold out for their home openers, and this joke of a team has 10k seats available. Don’t give me that “They are a transplant city” BS, because I’m sure there are enough of that 1.3M population that are actually from Jacksonville, FL. It’s all a cop out.

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  11. mikejd12 says: Sep 2, 2011 1:28 PM

    Ill tell who you is to blame for this. Its damn TICKETMASTER!!!. I called ticketmaster last year at 9:02 the day the Jaguars tickets went on sale for the eagles game. I was told they were sold out. How does a team that cant anyone to go to there games sell out in 2 minutes. I firmly believe and i have no proof, that ticketmaster has a deal with stub hub and all these alternative sites for tickets. And all these web sites get first crack at all the tickets. And then these alternative sites sell the damn tickets for double the price. Its all a big shakedown. Ticketmaster probably says, ok well give you first crack at all the tickets (because we have to sell them for normal price) you want but we want a certain percentage of what you sell them for. So its a win win for them. There is some shady stuff going down and its bologny. Dont tell me the jags game is sold out in 2 minutes. Thats pure garbage. And honestly if they dont Fix it and tickets remain so expensive black outs will continue to happen and grow. The only teams that will continue to see fans consistantly are the teams with loyal to death fan basis. Steelers,Eagles,Cowboys,Packers etc you guys know who you are

    Same thing i posted on the other blackout article

  12. krashie21 says: Sep 2, 2011 1:28 PM

    Introducing………

    THE LOS ANGELES JAGUARS!!!!!

  13. placej70 says: Sep 2, 2011 1:30 PM

    I have enough of teams complaining about ticket sales. Maybe you should have not fought over money for the last 6 months when the people paying for those tickets are the same people living check to check. Gas is high and people are still losing jobs.. Throw us a bone and lower some stuff, like concessions and parking.. Or maybe put a really good team on the field.. Out..

  14. dasboat says: Sep 2, 2011 1:34 PM

    Move where? Tulsa? Des Moines? Albuquerque?

    Tried L.A. twice with no success.

  15. TxGrown says: Sep 2, 2011 1:39 PM

    Anaheim Jags.

  16. jimbobobjr says: Sep 2, 2011 1:39 PM

    WHO LET THE TARPS OUT?! WHO…WHO… WHO WHO!!

  17. will61589 says: Sep 2, 2011 1:40 PM

    Where are all the Jags fans who scream they consistently sell out and it is wrong of us to point out the past. Well, whats the excuse now?

  18. icelovinbrotha215 says: Sep 2, 2011 1:41 PM

    Yea this is ridiculous. The organization should really consider all opportunities for relocation. I mean, you play once a week and you struggle selling tickets? And it’s not like the Jags have been the worse team in the league year in and year out. This has to be troublesome for the die-hards in Jacksonville.

  19. sandiegobuffalo says: Sep 2, 2011 1:41 PM

    The Jags fans who visit this site are real Jags fans, so we need to show some respect. Truth be told, the franchise just doesn’t have any cache, and the fan base is really limited. The reason Buffalo has such a huge fan base for a smaller market is because the team has been there for over 50 years, they picked up a TON of fans during their reign of excellence in the 1990′s, and Buffalonians have moved out of Buffalo and set up shop in cities all over the US and still support The Bills.

    At any rate-The Jags should be the team relocated. Hands down. How Jacksonville has like 3 prime time games this season is a shock to me. Can anyone name a player on The Jags other than Jones Drew and Garrard? May as well be a UFL team….

  20. duncanthecat says: Sep 2, 2011 1:41 PM

    LA SUCKS!

  21. cured76 says: Sep 2, 2011 1:42 PM

    LA was open to getting the Jags and the owner thought Jacksonville remained a better opportunity. That door will close soon. If they don’t beat one other team to the deal, they’ll lose out and will continue to enjoy lagging ticket sales for years to come.

  22. wtfchiefs says: Sep 2, 2011 1:43 PM

    Tags made an extremely dumb decision giving FL another team back in the day

  23. footballguru80 says: Sep 2, 2011 1:43 PM

    These blackout stories for Jacksonville and Tampa Bay are getting old.
    Why don’t you update us when they won’t have a blackout!

  24. capslockkey says: Sep 2, 2011 1:45 PM

    Blackout articles are maybe 1% more interesting and entertaining than Lockout articles. Seriously, you could just put them in the whatever day one-liners.

  25. fjdk4444 says: Sep 2, 2011 1:45 PM

    @mikejd12

    Philly fans and former Vick fans in Georgia bought all the tickets for the Jags/Philly game…that’s why it sold out in 2 minutes…

    As far as the rest of the games on the schedule, it has nothing to do with Ticketmaster, it has to do with the fact that the Jags SUCK!!

  26. achap39 says: Sep 2, 2011 1:46 PM

    I’m looking at Ticketmaster right now…Section 405 (extreme upper deck, maybe off the 5-10 yard line) is going for $59.75 piece with their lovely fee.

    Two people is $120 + parking + food + gas…to sit a mile and a half away from the field in row DD (6th from the very last row).

    Pass. I think I’ll stay home rather than make the 2 hour drive.

  27. tampajoey says: Sep 2, 2011 1:47 PM

    NFL Ticket is better than the stadium experience. Even going to a college football game is a better experience than going to a pro game. The overall value (experience vs expense) for attending an NFL game sucks!

  28. kd75 says: Sep 2, 2011 1:49 PM

    A Sam Kinnison reference? Wow…

  29. bossplayer213 says: Sep 2, 2011 1:52 PM

    Fly Tebow out to Jacksonville Week 1 and have Tim Tebow day. He won’t be busy doing anything else.

  30. golonger says: Sep 2, 2011 1:56 PM

    However, I hear their Los Angeles marketing initiative is progressing nicely…..

  31. billyhoyle4real says: Sep 2, 2011 1:57 PM

    I’m a Buffalo guy and feel for the real Jaguars fans. It’s a shame that the folks who support a middle of the road organization will be left high and dry once the L.A. Stadium is built. I can’t say I’m not glad it’s not my team getting shipped across the country as it would devastate our region economically. I worked at a hotel that was visited by Jags fans the last time they were in town and besides Steeler fans they were the most personable loyal fans I encountered.

  32. nationalmediacansuckit says: Sep 2, 2011 2:00 PM

    You people on here never seem to amaze me. So the lockout is only one month over and now families that have spent their NFL ticket budget on other things b/c no one knew if there was a going to be a season are suppose to drop everything find this invisible cash flow now. I love the intelligence on here.

    A Jaguars ticket selling story and now here comes 100+ comments. Predictable. Keep the Jaguar bashing coming. We’re use to it and we’ll be just fine.

  33. ecarlso8 says: Sep 2, 2011 2:00 PM

    LA, Toronto, somebody anybody please take this franchise.

  34. jagsdaddy says: Sep 2, 2011 2:03 PM

    bradygazelle says: $9 tickets???

    Bradygazelle,

    Why do you keep posting this?

    The cheapest jaguars tickets are $30 each if you buy a season ticket package and sit in corners of upper deck …otherwise cheapest Jaguars tickets are $50 -$55.

    you’re an idiot.

  35. jdreed68 says: Sep 2, 2011 2:05 PM

    Move the Team to Salt Lake City. Once there Change the team name from Jaguars to Jesus. The Team slogan will be “Would you want to beat Jesus?”

  36. recon163 says: Sep 2, 2011 2:06 PM

    @ dasboat:

    “Tried L.A. twice with no success.”

    If you consider 48 years a ‘try’. More like LA wasn’t going to give Georgia or Al the publics money. But you know all about the business decisions that led to the Rams and Raiders move away from LA right?

  37. bkpoiencot says: Sep 2, 2011 2:15 PM

    Keep dreaming national media. The Jaguars will not be blacked out for the opener and will not move to L.A. The Bucs and Dolphins have had far worse attendance numbers than the Jags and I guarantee they won’t move either. The fact of the matter is that teams do not move for ticket sales issues, they move because of stadium issues.

    Good luck getting a stadium built, L.A. then go cherry pick some other franchise like the Chargers, Vikings, or Raiders.

  38. southyank7 says: Sep 2, 2011 2:17 PM

    Jacksonville IS NOT a pro town, they have never filled that stadium & never will. When will NFL admit to the mistake of putting a team there just like it was mistake for NBA to give Charlotte a 2nd NBA team (bobcats) NC & SC are college basketball not pro & ATL lost its 2nd NHL team, hmm see a pattern here…there are too many teams in all 4 major pro sports & each league should contract at least 1 or 2 teams, quality of play would go up across the board

  39. dickroy says: Sep 2, 2011 2:18 PM

    I hope for black outs in Cincinnati every week.

  40. nationalmediacansuckit says: Sep 2, 2011 2:18 PM

    sandiegobuffalo says:
    Can anyone name a player on The Jags other than Jones Drew and Garrard? May as well be a UFL team….
    ————————————————

    This coming from a Bills fan. Hilarious. Hi Pot, I’m Kettle.

  41. ji536994 says: Sep 2, 2011 2:19 PM

    So when the bucs/dolphins/chargers/raiders/bills struggle to sell tickets its the economy and the lockout.

    But when the jags struggle, its because they have the worst fansbase in the league, and price their tickets for 5$, and its all tarps anyways, and tebow tebow tebow, etc etc

    we haven’t even had a blackout yet since 09′, lets let this play out before we start throwing stones

  42. depotnator says: Sep 2, 2011 2:26 PM

    test

  43. jacunn2000 says: Sep 2, 2011 2:29 PM

    I would rather see a team in Canada before LA.

  44. schmitty2 says: Sep 2, 2011 2:33 PM

    nationalmediacansuckit says:
    Sep 2, 2011 2:00 PM
    You people on here never seem to amaze me. So the lockout is only one month over and now families that have spent their NFL ticket budget on other things b/c no one knew if there was a going to be a season are suppose to drop everything find this invisible cash flow now. I love the intelligence on here.

    A Jaguars ticket selling story and now here comes 100+ comments. Predictable. Keep the Jaguar bashing coming. We’re use to it and we’ll be just fine.

    Well lets see…. other teams have no problem selling out games. Quit your whining!

  45. shackdelrio says: Sep 2, 2011 2:37 PM

    “bradygazelle says:
    Sep 2, 2011 1:25 PM
    Once they lower the price to $9 per ticket like last season they might sell enough to get the game on television.”

    Why do you copy and paste this same made up non-sense in every post about the Jaguars?

  46. NoHomeTeam says: Sep 2, 2011 2:39 PM

    “The Jags host a division rival, the Bucs host the Detroit’s new darlings of the NFL, and the Dolphins host the high-powered Houston offense.”

    “To be as successful as possible, the NFL eventually will have to move teams to where the people — and thus the money — are.”

    OK — everybody hates a grammar cop, and I’ll grant that not everyone who fires off a quick post has time to double-check. But can’t we expect a little better from the people who are paid to be here?

    “host the Detroit’s new darlings?” It’s now The Detroit, Mike? Since when did the city get its own article?

    Also, please try this: To be as successful as possible, the NFL eventually will have to move teams to where the people — and thus the dollars — are.

    Or even this: To be as successful as possible, the NFL eventually will have to move teams to where the demand— and thus the money — is.”

    See how that works?

    mumble, grumble, curmudge . . .

  47. granadafan says: Sep 2, 2011 2:40 PM

    The NFL is the only business in the world that punishes customers for not buying their high priced product. The billionaire owners in a multi-billion dollar business operate in a fantasy world on their high horse and don’t realize there’s a recession. These billionaires trod all over us serfs.

  48. shackdelrio says: Sep 2, 2011 2:40 PM

    “schmitty2 says:
    Sep 2, 2011 2:33 PM

    Well lets see…. other teams have no problem selling out games. Quit your whining”

    What are you talking about? There was an article posted just a couple of hours ago about the Buccaneers expecting their home opener to be blacked out.

  49. NoHomeTeam says: Sep 2, 2011 2:40 PM

    krashie21 says: “Introducing……… THE LOS ANGELES JAGUARS!!!!!”

    Los Angeles Leopoards

  50. NoHomeTeam says: Sep 2, 2011 2:41 PM

    Oop. Leopards.

  51. xstaticonradio says: Sep 2, 2011 2:41 PM

    ji536994 says: Sep 2, 2011 2:19 PM

    So when the bucs/dolphins/chargers/raiders/bills struggle to sell tickets its the economy and the lockout.

    we haven’t even had a blackout yet since 09′

    ———
    Bills don’t really struggle to sell tickets

    Idk about the Bucs/Dolphins/Chargers/Raiders but with the Bills…Buffalo is the second poorest city in the US and one of the smallest markets and they still sell out games. In a stadium of 76,000

    As for not having blackouts? Of course you don’t, the Jags have over 10,000 seats covered. Uncover those seats and every single game is a blackout.

  52. NoHomeTeam says: Sep 2, 2011 2:44 PM

    jacunn2000 says: “I would rather see a team in Canada before LA.”

    Care to elaborate on that?

  53. killbuck0936 says: Sep 2, 2011 2:45 PM

    As a jaguars fan let me start by jamming both my thumbs in my ears and waving my fingers at you nah nah a boo boo we have a team and los angeles doesnt! Also for all the fans saying ohhhh send them to los angeles give me your address and I will come to your house and play the violin why you type your comments about shipping them out of Jacksonville.

  54. nationalmediacansuckit says: Sep 2, 2011 2:47 PM

    schmitty2 says:
    Well lets see…. other teams have no problem selling out games. Quit your whining
    ————————————————–
    Wow, really. Either your oblivious or ignorant. Tell you what, go type 2010 NFL blackouts (Jags zero) better yet type in NFL ticket selling issues and report back to me. Quit my whining, you’re funny.

  55. boswivel says: Sep 2, 2011 2:57 PM

    Maybe offer a discount for people with mullets and those wearing Molly Hatchet t-shirts?

  56. adstout says: Sep 2, 2011 2:59 PM

    People that have commented about moving the team have to be the most ignorant fans out there. If you think every team that can’t sell tickets can up and move to LA and that will solve their problem you’re out of touch.

    The NFL needs to take notice of all the blackouts this year, because there are going to be a lot more teams that bucs and jags, and start lowering prices back to reality or we’ll all be stuck watching Cowboys or Giants every week.

  57. briang123 says: Sep 2, 2011 3:01 PM

    fjdk4444 says: Sep 2, 2011 1:45 PM

    @mikejd12

    Philly fans and former Vick fans in Georgia bought all the tickets for the Jags/Philly game…that’s why it sold out in 2 minutes…
    ______________________________

    Really? At the time the tickets went on sale Kolb was the starting QB and this was the 3rd game of the season. People in Georgia weren’t buying in the hopes Kolb got hurt. The tix were saved for scalpers so they could rip off Eagles fans, who they knew would show up. Know before you speak.

    This guy is absolutely right about Ticketmaster. Same thing happened to me when I tried to buy tix for the Eagles game in San Diego a few years ago. I could buy great seats for every game at 10:01 except for the Eagles. But Ticket Exchange had thousands for sale at wildly inflated prices.

  58. blackandtealforeal says: Sep 2, 2011 3:14 PM

    When they play the new QB as as starter there will be no more blackouts. People are just tired of the same ole’ thing. If they would have had a normal off season this would have been no issue at all.

  59. lexnekst says: Sep 2, 2011 3:20 PM

    I lived in Jacksonville, there’s a small fabbase there. But its a Depression, threatenings to buy tickets or no games on tv. You end up with a team from another market on local tv every Sunday (Falcons) – blackout rule is only hurting their already small fanbase.

  60. fmwarner says: Sep 2, 2011 3:25 PM

    HOW CAN THIS BE TRUE? Jag fan is always reassuring us that they fill the place and that the blackout/moving to LA stories are unfair!

    Better get the Tarpy the Tarp mascot costume out of mothballs.

  61. elyasm says: Sep 2, 2011 3:27 PM

    If Ticketmaster sold the tickets to StubHub there wouldn’t be a blackout, regardless of whether people bought the tickets from StubHub or not. Put down the tinfoil hat and walk away slowly…

  62. cobibones13 says: Sep 2, 2011 3:28 PM

    The Jags wouldn’t have any problems selling tickets for this year if they would have fired that terrible coach Del Rio. It’s really hard to spend money on your favorite team when you know any average opposing QB will make mince meat of your defense. Terrible pass D the last 2 years and no changes were made coaching-wise, and last year a bad run D.

    So far the o-line looks bad(and has no depth).

    This season could be real ugly.

  63. hobartbaker says: Sep 2, 2011 3:35 PM

    “I put dibs in on you early in your career, Kinison”, beamed The Devil. “Love your stuff, man.”.

  64. jvillenole says: Sep 2, 2011 3:41 PM

    The Jags need to sell 8,500 tix to avoid the week one blackout. The Bucs need to sell 13,000, and the Dolphins aren’t as transparent, but have to sell thousands as well.

    Yet it is the Jags, one of the youngest franchises in the NFL that gets beat up by the press.

    Week one will not be blacked-out in Jville. Neither will their second game (week 4) which has only 6,000 tickets left.

    Bank on it!

  65. wmthomas3 says: Sep 2, 2011 3:46 PM

    So we are having a down time here in Jax. We will still have a higher average attendance then many teams in the league, like we do every year. We have a big stadium and even with the Tarps the stadium holds 68,000. Put things in perspective- The Colts just built a new stadium the totals 63,000.
    It’s so easy for some of you to waste everybody’s time by acting like you know something because you heard it somewhere. Do everyone a favor and just be quiet.
    We’ll worry about our team you worry about yours.

  66. wackyjag says: Sep 2, 2011 4:02 PM

    The 1st home game will not be blackout, the 1st blackout for the Jags and thats a if, will be the 3rd home game with the Bengals traveling to JAX…….

  67. fremontrambler says: Sep 2, 2011 4:22 PM

    Got two words for your “move where the people are” idea:

    Green. Bay.

    The NFL has enacted a rule to prevent that sort of community ownership model from happening again, but how can you argue with it? The smallest fanbase has probably the longest season-ticket waiting list, and negotiations with the state for stadium upgrades can proceed on the basis that the NFL is committed to that community, and not just jacking them around for a better deal (MN).

  68. NoHomeTeam says: Sep 2, 2011 4:30 PM

    jvillenole says: “The Jags need to sell 8,500 tix to avoid the week one blackout. The Bucs need to sell 13,000, and the Dolphins aren’t as transparent, but have to sell thousands as well . . . Yet it is the Jags, one of the youngest franchises in the NFL that gets beat up by the press.”

    I don’t know if I’d agree that Jacksonville is being “beat up” by the press. The franchise is receiving more attention to its less-than-robust ticket sales precisely because it is one of the youngest franchises in the NFL.
    There is a perception that it was a mistake (and that’s the most charitable term) to award Jacksonville a franchise when Baltimore and St. Louis — two cities where the NFL had previously thrived — were passed over. That decision ultimately contributed to the departure of teams in two long-established markets (Cleveland and Southern California), which had far-reaching effects on the NFL as whole.
    By overachieving in securing a team over more “deserving” municipalities, the Jacksonville market created a higher bar for success.
    Thus, the increased scrutiny from outside observers.

  69. recon163 says: Sep 2, 2011 4:36 PM

    @ wmthomas3:

    “We will still have a higher average attendance then many teams in the league, like we do every year.”

    Really?

    2010- 21st
    2009- 31st
    2008- 17th

    Shall I go on?

    “It’s so easy for some of you to waste everybody’s time by acting like you know something because you heard it somewhere.”

    Hmmmmm………you mean like you?

    “Do everyone a favor and just be quiet.”

    And you got elected as the arbiter of what can and cannot be discussed? Missed that memo.

  70. mudcat1961 says: Sep 2, 2011 4:39 PM

    WINNING cures ALL!
    Bottom line!
    Period! (why the hell did I use an exclamation mark after a period?)

  71. recon163 says: Sep 2, 2011 4:42 PM

    @ xstaticonradio:

    “Bills don’t really struggle to sell tickets . . .Buffalo is the second poorest city in the US and one of the smallest markets and they still sell out games. In a stadium of 76,000″

    2010 Average Buffalo attendance? 63k. 87% of the stadium filled. Ranked 29th in the NFL. Three blackouts by December 9.

    Need more?

  72. schmitty2 says: Sep 2, 2011 5:01 PM

    nationalmediacansuckit says:
    Sep 2, 2011 2:47 PM
    schmitty2 says:
    Well lets see…. other teams have no problem selling out games. Quit your whining
    ————————————————–
    Wow, really. Either your oblivious or ignorant. Tell you what, go type 2010 NFL blackouts (Jags zero) better yet type in NFL ticket selling issues and report back to me. Quit my whining, you’re funny.

    Oblivious or ignorant?? Well documented the Jags needed corporations to scoop up the tickets and they STILL had to put up the black tarps. Time to accept the obvious..they dont have a huge fan base. Trust me..I dont want them to leave and move to LA.

  73. dogsweat1 says: Sep 2, 2011 5:06 PM

    Jag fans do a great job of support.

    Raiders are the front runner for the Los Angeles move.

  74. kenny1960 says: Sep 2, 2011 5:08 PM

    Did I or did I not say on another post that this website is nothing less that a shill for LA team interest. Look at the top of the web page , See the letters MSNBC and that will tell you all you need to know. Someone at corporate at NBC is pulling out all the stops to steal this team from Jacksonville. I have been vindicated .

  75. joetoronto says: Sep 2, 2011 5:21 PM

    And Buffalo gets 10′s of thousands of Canadians at their games.

  76. terrellblowens says: Sep 2, 2011 5:45 PM

    LA isn’t a great sports city by any means, but it’s sure as hell a step up from Jacksonville. Jacksonville is a nice place and the fans have a close relationship with that team. The Jags are a big part of their community and that’s nice to see, but whoever decided that it would be a good idea to put an NFL team in such a small market obviously did not think it through.

  77. nationalmediacansuckit says: Sep 2, 2011 6:11 PM

    schmitty2 says:
    Sep 2, 2011 5:01 PM
    nationalmediacansuckit says:
    Sep 2, 2011 2:47 PM
    schmitty2 says:
    Oblivious or ignorant?? Well documented the Jags needed corporations to scoop up the tickets and they STILL had to put up the black tarps. Time to accept the obvious..they dont have a huge fan base. Trust me..I dont want them to leave and move to LA.
    ————————————————-

    I’m so tired of hearing tarps. Especially when no one know the true reason behind them. Look, This stadium holds 77, 864 and can be expanded to 84K. 10K tarps were added to bring the # down to 67, 164. On par with every single small-medium market team. It’s actually larger than most stadiums in the league even with the tarps.

    Tarps are not added year after year like morons on here insist. It was a one time deal back in 2005. I respect the fact you say you don’t want them to move. I would never wish that on any fan. No one should want any team to move, but that’s the divide the media has cause with the hatred towards this franchise.

    No one remembers the Pats of the 90′s, they were put 30K in the stands. The same for Arizona. Indy couldn’t put butts in the seats up until Peyton arrived and even that wasn’t until they started winning in 2003. This is what the internet has done. People believe Jax invented blackouts and ticket issues, but have zero clue of the history of the NFL.

  78. minnysoda says: Sep 2, 2011 7:17 PM

    Just do what the Vikings do sell upper stadium seats at 50% off

  79. onegamedoesnotaseasonmake says: Sep 2, 2011 10:16 PM

    who are these folks that keep whining about “oh there were no blackouts in jacksonville last year, oh booo hoo, woe is us…..”

    who cares? worry more about the status of your team. we’ll just call you “carolina south” this year….

  80. egetto says: Sep 3, 2011 7:52 AM

    Have to interject some facts to defeat the trolls:

    1) Except for 2009 when this false perception was created, Jags avg low 60K despite being near the bottom in market size, avg attendance better than Chicago and a little worse than Pittsburgh. Please Buffalo fans, stfu, its not even close.

    2) When the lockout ended (remember that thing that dampened ticket sales) There were 17K seats unsold, now there are about 8500. Both Miami and Tampa have thousands more to sell

    3) Without tarps, Everbank would be a 77K seat stadium. The tarps were a 1 time deal in 2005 to reduce the effective stadium size from 77 to 67, in line (or bigger) than every small to medium market. So when you are averaging 60-65 week in and week out, one could say you have a pretty good fan base in one of the smallest markets in the US.

    4) Weaver is very passionate about Jacksonville, has been absolutely consistent in that he will not move the team and when he sells the team it will be to someone or someones who are passionate about this cool city. (cool meaning winters at the beach, great golf courses, etc…..have fun cleveland and buffalo, chicago, DC traffic, and all the other haters) Just because PFT makes up stories about a potential move it doesnt mean it has any chance of happening.

    5) Gene Smith has completely rebuilt this defense and team the right way and has a potential franchise QB in the wings. Last year this team, 2 years into complete rebuild, was 8-5 and played to clinch the division in Indy in week 15 with the 28th ranked D and Garrard and MJD playing hurt. Go ahead, keep bashing this team, we are going to enjoy the next few years boys.

  81. pzimm7778 says: Sep 3, 2011 8:40 AM

    Jacksonville never was, is not now, and never will be an NFL city. They love college football which makes all their bs about not having mone for tickets nothing more than an excuse. Many of these same people have season tickets to the Gators and Seminoles and you never hear complaining about them. And my understanding is you have to make a yearly donation to the school to even have the privilege of purchasing those, although not being a college fan I could have heard wrong.

    As a former season ticket holder when I lives there I would like to remind everyone of the empty seats in the stadium when the team was winning the AFC Central title for 2 years and the excuses like it’s the holidays I was out shopping was the excuse of the day. I remember a pool of businesses and media got together to agree to the purchase of at least 2 games in 1999 to avoid the blackouts (that was the 14-2, homefield throughout the playoffs year). When it got worse and blackouts started the whining was “the stadium is too big, we dont have enough people to sell this place out.” So in 2005 Weaver tarped

  82. pzimm7778 says: Sep 3, 2011 8:57 AM

    Jacksonville never was, is not now, and never will be an NFL city. They love college football which makes all their bs about not having mone for tickets nothing more than an excuse. Many of these same people have season tickets to the Gators and Seminoles and you never hear complaining about them. And my understanding is you have to make a yearly donation to the school to even have the privilege of purchasing those, although not being a college fan I could have heard wrong.

    As a former season ticket holder when I lives there I would like to remind everyone of the empty seats in the stadium when the team was winning the AFC Central title for 2 years and the excuses like it’s the holidays I was out shopping was the excuse of the day. I remember a pool of businesses and media got together to agree to the purchase of at least 2 games in 1999 to avoid the blackouts (that was the 14-2, homefield throughout the playoffs year). When it got worse and blackouts started the whining was “the stadium is too big, we dont have enough people to sell this place out.” So in 2005 Weaver tarped 10K seats. So, tha worked…..until week 1 of 2005 against the Seahawks with the tarped seats and they needed a 24 hour extension three times to sell out. In other words “the stadium is too big” was just another of the many excuses. Now it’s the economy which I get, but $33 for tickets paid for over 12 months or whateve it is is very cheap and yet they still don’t sell out. Parking? Take that bus if they still offer it. Food? Eat before you go or eat it in the parking lot before you go in. That’s what we did. All these excuses are pathetic.

    For those who truly want to go and can’t afford it, I understand your concern as when I was out of work I couldnt buy Sunday Ticket last year to watch the Jags since I no longer live in the area. That cost as much as season tickets do now. For those who don’t want to go, that’s your prerogative too. But don’t whine and complain when they move to Orlando, San Antonio, LA, or to the city that loses the team to LA once that city realizes they screwed up and build a new stadium for football. The NFL is a business. It is professional sports. They arent there for charity and the sole purpose of entertaining you. They are just like any other business, they are there to make money and as much of it as they can. If enough of you dont support them and they can make more elsewhere, they are gonna leave….period. And you’ll never see the light of day of another major professional sport team again(arena football doesn’t count). Vic Ketchman before he bailed out said it best, want the talk of leaving to stop then sell the games out.

    Btw, college is all about money too. Conference jumping, Longhorn Network, and the stupid BCS is proof of that. So that excuse doesnt fly either.

  83. pzimm7778 says: Sep 3, 2011 9:08 AM

    To the person who keeps saying the tarps were a 1 season thing. That’s interesting because I see them up covering seats with ads all over them or the Jaguars logo at every home game. And I don’t see anyone sitting on top of them so logic tells me they are tarped and they don’t sell in those sections.

    And the “it can be expanded to 84k capacity” is irrelevant since that’s for 1 college game a year, and is not now and never will be figured in for an NFL game. That section is brought in and taken out after it’s 1 game. No one sees that empty and says Jacksonville sucks as an NFL city.

  84. purpleguy says: Sep 3, 2011 12:11 PM

    There just shouldn’t be three teams in Forida — it’s unrealistic to expect NFL fan support under those circumstances. But come on, Jags fans shouldn’t feel picked on when it’s consistently their team that is the one facing fan attendance issues over the long term.

  85. recon163 says: Sep 3, 2011 2:44 PM

    @ egetto:

    “Except for 2009 when this false perception was created, Jags avg low 60K despite being near the bottom in market size, avg attendance better than Chicago and a little worse than Pittsburgh. Please Buffalo fans, stfu, its not even close.”

    2009 was an exceptionally bad year for Jags attendance, but one year did not the perception make. From 2000-2003 the average attendance was 58k. The team has been noted for blackout issues. The 2003 and 2004 seasons saw 6 of eight games blacked out which led to the tarps being installed for the 2005 season. Once the tarps were installed the blackout problem went away for one whole season. By 2007 the Jags were again running into black outs. So the perception is not from a single season, it has been built up over the years. To say otherwise is disingenuous at best or an intentional lie at worse.

    As for Buffalo, they have issues because they are in a city that is shrinking, has little to no corporate presence, and is in a depressed economic area. The population needed to support the NFL franchise is melting away. I believe the Bills franchise will move away in the future.

    “When the lockout ended (remember that thing that dampened ticket sales) There were 17K seats unsold, now there are about 8500. Both Miami and Tampa have thousands more to sell”

    Other PFT stories recognizes this. Any particular reason you repeated it? I would offer you are looking to paint J’Ville in a positive light when compared to the other two cities in an attempt to distract.

    “Without tarps, Everbank would be a 77K seat stadium. The tarps were a 1 time deal in 2005 to reduce the effective stadium size from 77 to 67, in line (or bigger) than every small to medium market. So when you are averaging 60-65 week in and week out, one could say you have a pretty good fan base in one of the smallest markets in the US.”

    Tarps were not a one time thing. They have remained since the 2005 season. Yes one could say it is a good fan base, but one could also argue that the inability to fill the bowl and club sections on a regular basis demonstrates that the fan base can only be enticed out by discounts, games of significance, and promotions.

    “Weaver is very passionate about Jacksonville, has been absolutely consistent in that he will not move the team and when he sells the team it will be to someone or someones who are passionate about this cool city. (cool meaning winters at the beach, great golf courses, etc…..have fun cleveland and buffalo, chicago, DC traffic, and all the other haters) Just because PFT makes up stories about a potential move it doesnt mean it has any chance of happening.”

    I have no comment on Weaver’s passion, but I will agree that he is committed to the area. He has also made statements in the past that he cannot continue to do business at a 45-50k attendance clip. Your assumption that he will sell the team to someone committed to the J’Ville area is hopeful speculation as it remains to be seen who he actually sells to.

    I also find it interesting that you note that there are plenty of things to do in J’Ville. Are you arguing that the city will continue to be cool after the Jags leave? If so, why the concern?

    Just because you believe the team will not move, does not mean it will not happen. I would argue that it will come down to a business decision. The Jags are at the bottom of the value/revenue charts (New Forbes listing should be out very soon, let’s see if that continues to hold true.) which means that any potential owner will need to look at the bottom line. A move to LA in a new stadium has been analyzed by sports business professional to increase a franchises value to near Cowboys level. So if an owner buys the Jags at $800 mill – $1 bill. What do you think the ROI will need to be to make such a sale profitable? And more importantly, can remaining in the J’Ville area make it so?

    I will just point to one element that will reinforce my point: The naming rights for EverBank were sold for $16.6 million for five years or about $3 mill a year. The naming rights for a stadium that hasn’t been built in LA sold for $700 million for 20 years or about $35 mill a year.

    The base fact is that J’Ville cannot compete with that kind of economic incentives. That is a key reason why the Jags are an oft mentioned target of a move.

  86. egetto says: Sep 4, 2011 3:33 PM

    @recon16 and various trolls – Let me spell out the tarps are a one time thing statement – meaning they did it one time in 2005 to get the stadium to a reasonable size (from 77 to 67) The market consistently puts 60-65 people in the seats (except for 2009) Now go google average attendance and look at all the teams (large and small market) below the Jags in average attendance.

    Not sure what your point is on ROI – Obviously if someone buys the Jags (which Weaver has said repeatedly won’t happen) of course they would be buying to move the team, not to stay in the same small market. Everyone understands LA is the largest market.

    But good luck with whatever team comes to LA….hopefully you wont lose this one like the others…..

  87. recon163 says: Sep 4, 2011 9:08 PM

    @ egetto:

    ” . . .meaning they did it one time in 2005 to get the stadium to a reasonable size (from 77 to 67).”

    Yes they did do it just once. I have never argued that they added more tarps. I just pointed out that they did it once and left them in place.

    “Not sure what your point is on ROI – Obviously if someone buys the Jags (which Weaver has said repeatedly won’t happen) of course they would be buying to move the team, not to stay in the same small market.”

    Yes that is my point so it appears you are sure as to what it is.

    “But good luck with whatever team comes to LA….hopefully you wont lose this one like the others…..”

    Probably not for another 20 years or until a new stadium is needed.

  88. recon163 says: Sep 4, 2011 10:39 PM

    @ egetto:

    “@recon16 and various trolls . . .”

    Do you define a troll as anyone who doesn’t share your viewpoint? If son you have a lifetime of trolls ahead of you…..

  89. recon163 says: Sep 4, 2011 10:39 PM

    @ egetto:

    “@recon16 and various trolls . . .”

    Do you define a troll as anyone who doesn’t share your viewpoint? If so you have a lifetime of trolls ahead of you…..

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