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Darius Butler let go by Patriots

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Another Patriots player is available for teams to claim off waivers.

Considering cornerback Darius Butler’s second round pedigree, it’s a safe bet that will happen.

Shalise Manza Young of the Boston Globe first reported Butler was let go. It’s possible the team tried to trade him first, but found no takers.

Butler was the No. 41 overall player of the 2009 draft, but he’s struggled with his confidence as a pro.  Starting eight games in two years, Butler often appeared in position to make a play and then simply couldn’t make it.

New England is deeper this year at cornerback with Leigh Bodden healthy, but this is a disappointing move for the Patriots. Butler is the second highest player from the 2009 draft to get cut.  (Aaron Maybin is higher. Alphonso Smith was traded by Denver.)

The Patriots took defensive tackle Ron Brace one spot ahead of Butler and he’s no lock to remain on the roster through the season.

It’s remarkable how the Patriots have thrived despite so many draft misses before last year’s bumper crop.

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  1. YouMadCauseImStylingOnYou says: Sep 6, 2011 4:59 PM

    Surprising no one would give up a 2036 7th round for Butler.

    He’ll land on his feet for sure (Dallas?).

  2. Stupid Raiders Fan says: Sep 6, 2011 4:59 PM

    You know what other corner sucked after 2 years in the league? Namdi Asomugha.

    Someone should snap him up

  3. drewbu22 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:01 PM

    every NFL roster issue is solved by one thing and one thing alone: having a QB that gets it done

  4. drewbu22 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:02 PM

    let me rephrase that: every NFL roster issue can be overlooked by having one thing and one thing alone: a QB that gets it done. Of course, the other way to actually solving the problem is to actually replace those players with better ones lol.

  5. godolphins91 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:02 PM

    Pats 2006-2010 draft class

    2006 draft
    1 21 Laurence Maroney
    2 36 Chad Jackson
    3 86 David Thomas
    4 106 Garrett Mills
    4 118 Stephen Gostkowski*
    5 136 Ryan O’Callaghan
    6 191 Jeremy Mincey
    6 205 Dan Stevenson
    6 206 Le Kevin Smith
    7 229 Willie Andrews

    2007
    1 24 Brandon Meriweather
    4 127 Kareem Brown
    5 171 Clint Oldenburg
    6 180 Justin Rogers
    6 202 Mike Richardson
    6 208 Justise Hairston
    6 209 Corey Hilliard
    7 211 Oscar Lua
    7 247 Mike Elgin

    2008
    1 10 Jerod Mayo*
    2 62 Terrence Wheatley
    3 78 Shawn Crable L
    3 94 Kevin O’Connell
    4 129 Jonathan Wilhite
    5 153 Matthew Slater*
    6 197 Bo Ruud

    2009
    2 34 Pat Chung*
    2 40 Ron Brace*
    2 41 Darius Butler
    2 58 Sebastian Vollmer*
    3 83 Brandon Tate
    3 97 Tyrone McKenzie
    4 123 Rich Ohrnberger*
    5 170 George Bussey
    6 198 Jake Ingram
    6 207 Myron Pryor*
    7 232 Julian Edelman*
    7 234 Darryl Richard

    2010
    1 27 Devin McCourty*
    2 42 Rob Gronkowski*
    2 53 Jermaine Cunningham*
    2 62 Brandon Spike*
    3 90 Taylor Price*
    4 113 Aaron Hernandez*
    5 150 Zoltan Mesko*
    6 205 Ted Larsen
    7 208 Thomas Welch
    7 247 Brandon Deaderick*
    7 248 Kade Weston
    7 250 Zac Robinson

    *: Still with the team

    But the media makes it seem like Bilichick is a draft guru.

  6. americankris says: Sep 6, 2011 5:03 PM

    Bellicheck hates DBs

  7. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Sep 6, 2011 5:03 PM

    No Patriots fan can legitimately fault Belichick for taking a chance on Darius Butler, even with the 41st pick of the 2009 NFL Draft. On the other hand, Patriots Nation would have been justified in roundly criticizing Belichick if, after two years of less-than-impressive stats, Butler were allowed to remain with the team. To his credit, Bill understands better than most when it’s time to move on from a player.

  8. rajbais says: Sep 6, 2011 5:04 PM

    Man!!! Deion Sanders’ defensive back school, “Prime U”, really helped Butler!!!

  9. bears0492 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:04 PM

    Giants are going to claim him. And if they aren’t, maybe Coughlin does deserve to be in his final year

  10. americankris says: Sep 6, 2011 5:05 PM

    2009 draft sucked and the lock out did it no favors

  11. jrs1972 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:05 PM

    they thrive because of quantity, its seems like every year they have 2 picks in each round, next year they have 2 firsts and 2 2’nds AGAIN

  12. lionfan419 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:06 PM

    come to detroit

  13. My Last Victim Escaped says: Sep 6, 2011 5:06 PM

    McKenzie, Tate, Butler and maybe Brace gone from that first half of the 2009 draft?!? I can’t believe Bill would miss that many.

  14. nepatriots128154 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:14 PM

    Pats draft classes haven’t been that good until last years…

    McCourty, Gronkowski, Spikes, Price and Hernandez are all good contributes. Especially McCourty and Gronkowski.

  15. zimaman says: Sep 6, 2011 5:15 PM

    godolphins91 says:
    Sep 6, 2011 5:02 PM

    typical “anti Patriot idiot”

    let me ask you a question

    when you win 12 to 17 games a year for the last 6 friggin years and you draft like 6-10 guys a year. how many guys do you think will actually make the team.

    to classify this as “draft failure” is idiotic at best

  16. lockoftheweak says: Sep 6, 2011 5:16 PM

    Let’s not forget Pioli had his hand in draft picks until, what, 2008?

  17. robertjamis says: Sep 6, 2011 5:18 PM

    How many years of bad secondaries and mediocre linebackers does it take before ESPN, or someone for God’s sake, questions the wisdom of Belichick routinely trading down to compile a whole lot of JAGs and very little above average talent?

    The Pats continue to win because Tom Brady is the most exceptional player in the NFL and Belichick is still a very good schemer who can adjust in game, but when it comes down to it, they’re no longer the dominant force they once were.

  18. portnoychunk says: Sep 6, 2011 5:19 PM

    godolphins91 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:02 PM

    Pats 2006-2010 draft class

    But the media makes it seem like Bilichick is a draft guru.

    …..this is coming from a Dolphins fan? Ok – we’ll defer to you on how one should run a professional football team.

  19. tunescribe says: Sep 6, 2011 5:20 PM

    @godolphins91

    When you’re consistently drafting near the end of rounds, year after year, it’s a crap shoot as to who sticks long-term. The bigger question is what’s YOUR team’s excuse?

  20. staff2cj4td says: Sep 6, 2011 5:21 PM

    just a matter of time til they realized they screwed up with the Brady draft pick too!!

  21. dovid1367 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:21 PM

    @godolphins91
    Belichick has hits and misses like any other coach. Difference is that he has the balls to release high draft picks.
    On that note, how’s 2nd rounder Henne worked out for you guys?

  22. gregjennings85 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:22 PM

    zimaman:

    “to classify this as “draft failure” is idiotic at best”

    _________________________________

    So what WOULD you classify this as?

    “natural selection?”

  23. gregjennings85 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:23 PM

    Belichek = overhyped, overrated, cheater.

  24. aschwartz2011 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:23 PM

    I am not usually the type person to say that every cut player should be picked up by my team (Tampa). But with Ronde getting older, Biggers injury concerns, Talib’s legal concerns and Raheems ability to get the most out of DB’s I would definitely like to see him get a shot in Tampa.

  25. godolphins91 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:25 PM

    @zimaman
    You’re funny

  26. spfripp says: Sep 6, 2011 5:26 PM

    Bad drafts in time takes its toll on a talented team. 2010 draft May have what saved this team from what became of Miami. After Jimmy Johnson retired it took three years for the talent to dwindle, there was 8 years of bad drafts and nothing but mediocrity at best.

  27. phillyphever says: Sep 6, 2011 5:27 PM

    And that’s why they haven’t won a playoff game since the 2007 AFC Championship Game.

  28. godolphins91 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:28 PM

    @robertjamis
    “How many years of bad secondaries and mediocre linebackers does it take before ESPN, or someone for God’s sake, questions the wisdom of Belichick routinely trading down to compile a whole lot of JAGs and very little above average talent?”

    That will never happen, they don’t have the balls.

  29. snowpea84 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:29 PM

    He has a ton of draft misses? Saying that is missing the point. The draft is a gamble, sometimes you hit big, sometimes you hit often, and sometimes you don’t hit at all. What makes his strategy good is that he increaes his odds by increasing his draft picks.
    That is the the key. Load up on picks and increase your odds. Not onlt that, but it also increases compeition on the roster. If these guys are getting ebat out for roster spots it’s not always because they are bad. Often times it is because they created enough competition that there was simply no room to keep everyone and they got beat.

  30. godolphins91 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:33 PM

    @portnoychunk
    Belichick got lucky because he landed Brady, that’s equivalent to winning the lotto.

  31. dkeyser says: Sep 6, 2011 5:33 PM

    Im pretty sure he was almost traded to the Saints last year. I wonder if they will try and snatch him up now

  32. wikidpissah says: Sep 6, 2011 5:34 PM

    godolphins91 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:02 PM

    Pats 2006-2010 draft class

    2006 draft
    1 21 Laurence Maroney
    2 36 Chad Jackson
    3 86 David Thomas
    4 106 Garrett Mills
    4 118 Stephen Gostkowski*
    5 136 Ryan O’Callaghan
    6 191 Jeremy Mincey
    6 205 Dan Stevenson
    6 206 Le Kevin Smith
    7 229 Willie Andrews
    ___________________________________
    AFC East Finish: 1st
    ————————————————
    2007
    1 24 Brandon Meriweather
    4 127 Kareem Brown
    5 171 Clint Oldenburg
    6 180 Justin Rogers
    6 202 Mike Richardson
    6 208 Justise Hairston
    6 209 Corey Hilliard
    7 211 Oscar Lua
    7 247 Mike Elgin
    ___________________________________
    AFC East Finish: 1st
    ————————————————-
    2008
    1 10 Jerod Mayo*
    2 62 Terrence Wheatley
    3 78 Shawn Crable L
    3 94 Kevin O’Connell
    4 129 Jonathan Wilhite
    5 153 Matthew Slater*
    6 197 Bo Ruud
    ___________________________________
    AFC East Finish: 2nd
    ————————————————–
    2009
    2 34 Pat Chung*
    2 40 Ron Brace*
    2 41 Darius Butler
    2 58 Sebastian Vollmer*
    3 83 Brandon Tate
    3 97 Tyrone McKenzie
    4 123 Rich Ohrnberger*
    5 170 George Bussey
    6 198 Jake Ingram
    6 207 Myron Pryor*
    7 232 Julian Edelman*
    7 234 Darryl Richard
    _________________________________
    AFC East Finish: 1st
    ———————————————-
    2010
    1 27 Devin McCourty*
    2 42 Rob Gronkowski*
    2 53 Jermaine Cunningham*
    2 62 Brandon Spike*
    3 90 Taylor Price*
    4 113 Aaron Hernandez*
    5 150 Zoltan Mesko*
    6 205 Ted Larsen
    7 208 Thomas Welch
    7 247 Brandon Deaderick*
    7 248 Kade Weston
    7 250 Zac Robinson
    ________________________________
    AFC East Finish: 1st
    ———————————————-
    *: Still with the team

    But the media makes it seem like Bilichick is a draft guru.

    =============================
    BB is praised for the way the Pats manage the draft. They understand that even the best evaluators miss a good percentage of the time, so they increase their percentages year over year by trading for additional picks each year.

    Another major difference between the Pats and most teams is that when you arrive at camp, all players have an equal chance of making the team, regardless of their draft position, or undrafted free agent status. BB is not worried about media and fan criticism for releasing a draft pick if he feels the player they kept is batter.

    In four of the 5 years listed the Pats won the Division. The only year they didn’t win (2008) was when Matt Cassell (who never started a college game) replaced an injured Brady and the team went 11-5. Ask Colts fans if they are confident that things will go as well if Manning misses the season.

  33. wikidpissah says: Sep 6, 2011 5:38 PM

    phillyphever says: Sep 6, 2011 5:27 PM

    And that’s why they haven’t won a playoff game since the 2007 AFC Championship Game.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    As the Iggles won Super Bowl after Super Bowl

  34. godolphins91 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:40 PM

    @tunescribe
    Almost every year the Pats have two first and/0r second round picks and most of the time they decide to trade them. If they didn’t want to end up in the bottom they could of easily traded up.

    Bill Parcells came out and said he drafted the combination of Long and Henne because it was cheaper and he also admitted that he drafted Pat White. So…..i’m blaming Parcells.

    @dovid1367
    So far he’s looking good in this new system.

  35. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Sep 6, 2011 5:40 PM

    @godolphins91…

    I think you’re confused. There’s a significant difference making “homerun” draft selections, and managing the draft board to maximize future value. The sports media has generally praised Belichick on the latter, not the former. Unless it’s the Miami Dolphins, I’m unaware of any team that has consistently selected highly successful players across the board in each of its drafts. That said, if Belichick is not so talented at selecting quality players, then what were the Dolphins doing picking up Will Yeatman from the Patriots? I suppose some teams’ leftovers are other teams’ gourmet meals.

  36. dcpatfan says: Sep 6, 2011 5:40 PM

    @godolphins91
    It’s amazing how much energy you have expended breaking down BB’s draft history. Which IS commendable by NFL standards for other winning organizations. I would, as a dolphin fan be more concerned with any feasible way to dislodge “The Guru’s” stranglehold on the AFC E. It will be a much more knoble cause loser. By the way your disappointment commences Monday Nite.

  37. scontis says: Sep 6, 2011 5:42 PM

    The Key?? Come on man. You dont’ need to spend outrageous money on high picks when you dont’ have the need at the position. I think the way he fills holes and brings in youth has been nothing short of Brilliant. And I dont’ even lke the S.O.B.

  38. jpb12 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:43 PM

    Godolphins:
    Each team gets 7 picks per year.
    Belichick’s strength is accumulating picks. His average hit or miss is probably the same as everyone else’s. Difference is, he has more picks.

    A fairer assessment would be putting a * next t players still in the NFL…

    Lots of these guys won’t make the Patriots, but could start for the Dolphins, or MOST other teams. (Will Yeatman will be a solid player).

    10 picks in 2006
    9 picks in 2007
    7 picks in 2008
    12 in 2009
    12 in 2010

  39. theguywhotoldtimtebowtoshutthefup says: Sep 6, 2011 5:46 PM

    This isn’t called taking a chance with Darius Butler, this is called being duped by the Dolphins on draft day (Know the story before you respond).

  40. godolphins91 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:46 PM

    @wikidpissah

    I’m criticising the media for making Bilichick out to be a “draft guru”

  41. mac3333 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:47 PM

    LOL@ Pats fans getting their panties in a bunch over the detailed analysis of their “ALL KNOWING HOODIE”.

    When the data is crunched this veneer of a drafting genius is found to be a complete sham.

    You know why New England is so damn good? It has ZERO to do with the hoodie.

    ITS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A FUTURE HALL OF FAME QB.

    Once Brady retires N.E. is relegated back to also ran status in the East. HE IS YOUR TEAM. Not some ridiculous curmudgeon who wears hooded sweatshirts. He’s just riding coat tails. (The data proves it …)

  42. luckynumberlucas says: Sep 6, 2011 5:48 PM

    Show me one GM/Coach who who hits more than 1/3 of his draft classes?

    Right, there ain’t one.

    What makes Belichick good is, that he has so many picks each year, that it really doesn’t matter to cut most of them.

    Just to get cut by the Pats doesn’t necessarily mean you are a bad player, just that you don’t fit the system or don’t have the right mindset to play for Bill.

    And, nevertheless, Bill made THE single best pick in the history of the NFL draft.

    On an April day in 2000, late round, a cheesy, pale unimpressive looking kid out of Michigan.

    We all know how that played out…

  43. august1969 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:52 PM

    Darius Butler is so lousy, he gets picked on by every QB in the league. This is no surprise. And the Patriots drafts have sucked except for last year. The list of star players they could have drafted is ridiculous.

  44. godolphins91 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:52 PM

    @jpb12

    Only Meriweather could start for us

  45. tatum064 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:52 PM

    drewbu22 says:
    Sep 6, 2011 5:01 PM
    every NFL roster issue is solved by one thing and one thing alone: having a QB that gets it done

    ==============================

    Getting sacked and getting pressured multiple times in the playoffs really gets it done.

    I agree.

  46. luckynumberlucas says: Sep 6, 2011 6:05 PM

    tatum064 says: Sep 6, 2011 5:52 PM

    drewbu22 says:
    Sep 6, 2011 5:01 PM
    every NFL roster issue is solved by one thing and one thing alone: having a QB that gets it done

    ==============================

    Getting sacked and getting pressured multiple times in the playoffs really gets it done.

    I agree.
    ———
    No.

    But 3 SuperBowls, 2 MVPs, two of the three greatest passing seasons, a decade of dominance in the division, being one of the winningest QBs in regular season and playoffs is getting it done.

    No matter what team you are a fan of, y’all should appreciate greatness.

    Tom is great.

    So is Peyton Manning, I, as a Pats fan, have no problem accepting and stating that fact.

  47. kisstherings says: Sep 6, 2011 6:11 PM

    @godolphins91

    says: Sep 6, 2011 5:02 PM

    Pats 2006-2010 draft class

    —————————————————-
    lol

    We are all glad you are unemployed and have time to do such analysis.

    Now go do a similar analysis on every other team in the league and you will see one of two things:

    1. Similar numbers
    2. Teams that have kept more of their draft picks! – BUT haven’t enjoyed anywhere near the amount of success the Patriots have because they don’t know when to trim the fat when a player does not fit their system and continue to play with a bunch of stiffs instead (maybe your Dolphins should have hung on to Crowder 2 more years??).

    The Pats are the most winning-est franchise of the last decade not only because Bill B is a master of the draft (managing value with picks/trades etc) but because he constantly finds the best available players that fit their system – and if a draft pick wasn’t doing it, then he packs their bags and finds someone that will. That’s why teams start with 90 players in the preseason and end up with 53. If you look at N.E’s success over the last 10 years…..he’s a whole lot better at it than everyone else.

    It’s a shame all the time you spent on your ridiculous little analysis that was meant to disparage Belichick only supported the argument for his brilliance.

    Thanks bud!

  48. ntr0py says: Sep 6, 2011 6:12 PM

    BB (and the superb scouting organization that supports him) ARE masters of the draft.

    But being a master of the draft means missing (much) more often than you hit.

    BB’s mastery is most evident in his understanding that:

    1. The goal for most picks is to hit a home run, not get a serviceable player. Serviceable players are available at reasonable prices through free agency.

    2. Players should be cut as soon as they are no longer useful for your team, not based on where they were drafted.

    While other teams have to worry about PR, BB is able to focus on building the best team… and it shows. All these players that he is cutting are good enough to make NFL teams (just not the Patriots).

  49. Ralphie says: Sep 6, 2011 6:12 PM

    august1969 says:
    “The list of star players they could have drafted is ridiculous.”
    __________________________

    Like who? Share the list.

    And remember that when you start tossing names out there are anywhere from a dozen to 31 other teams who could have had the “star player” but whiffed. I even bet your sad sack team is in the mix for missing out on the “stars”. Wikipedia awaits you Basement Hobbit.

  50. hoosierhandicapper says: Sep 6, 2011 6:13 PM

    @luckynumberlucas

    Show me one GM/Coach who who hits more than 1/3 of his draft classes?

    Right, there ain’t one.

    —————————

    Best GM in the league does … Kevin Colbert.

    21/43 in the same timeframe (which kind of invalidates the knucklehead pats fan’s theory above since the Steelers have won a ton during that time too). And that’s not even counting players that are on other teams’ rosters.

    And for the record, that blows away Ozzie’s record in Baltimore — another grossly overrated GM.

  51. wikidpissah says: Sep 6, 2011 6:16 PM

    mac3333 says:
    Once Brady retires N.E. is relegated back to also ran status in the East. HE IS YOUR TEAM. Not some ridiculous curmudgeon who wears hooded sweatshirts. He’s just riding coat tails. (The data proves it …)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    11-5 with Matt Cassell.

  52. mistrezzrachael says: Sep 6, 2011 6:16 PM

    So….If they are so poor @ drafting….then why does rest of NFL all scramble to pick up their players???

    Go Dolphins…your GM Ireland…chose J Long over Matt Ryan…your Dolphins chose Ted Ginn & his family @ #10…Would you like me to add on another 50 miserable personnel decisions??”?..Like last season having the worst bottom 15 of roster in NFL??? special teams that required special Ed?

    Patriots cut alot of GOOD players…Ever think it’s because theyve found someone better, who will improve their team????…I suppose thats why they ‘rebuild’..and go 14-2

  53. ace613 says: Sep 6, 2011 6:17 PM

    Being from Connecticut and a fan of UConn, I was so stoked when the Patriots drafted him. He seemed to have the making of a good corner coming out of college.

    Really bummed about it but if he spent as much time on the playbook as he does on twitter- this story probably wouldnt have happened.

  54. tedmurph says: Sep 6, 2011 6:21 PM

    @ godolphins91:

    The draft is always a crapshoot and the teams that are consistantly good and have a rep for good drafting are pretty close(I’ll leave the ‘fins out of this as they’re an easy target). It’s hard to draft late every year and find players to make rosters that are already good.

    As you pointed out 17/50 picks are still on Pat’s roster. Steelers 14/38, Colts 16/41, Ravens 18/49. All pretty close.

    This leaves out the fact that they traded picks for Moss and Welker, and traded picks for an extra 1rst and 2nd next year.

    Also, just because they’re not good enough for the Pat’s roster doesn’t mean they can’t play in the league. Butler will be the 13th guy released this year to get picked up.

  55. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Sep 6, 2011 6:27 PM

    @phillyphever…
    “And that’s why they haven’t won a playoff game since the 2007 AFC Championship Game.”
    —————-
    LOL. And that’s why the Eagles have NEVER won a Super Bowl.

  56. rc33 says: Sep 6, 2011 6:28 PM

    You know why New England is so damn good? It has ZERO to do with the hoodie.

    ITS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A FUTURE HALL OF FAME QB.

    ————————————————–Indeed.
    Coaching had nothing to do with holding Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk and The Greatest Show on Turf to 17 points back in ’01.

  57. jjmurphy1127d says: Sep 6, 2011 6:32 PM

    2006-2008 were not good, but at least Mayo & Gostowski are prime players at their positions. 07 is mitigated a bit as they got Moss for an 07 4th and Welker for 07 2nd & 7th round picks.

    09 looks like a solid B- even with the Butler miss as Volmer, Chung, Pryor, Edelman, and maybe Ohrnberger/Brace are OK.

    10 looks like an A+ and the jury is out on 2011 (too early to tell either way – that said Ridley and Solder look legit). Side note – not sure if it is coincidence or not, Casserio has taken more of a lead role since 09 after Pioli left.

    Belichick accumulates picks as he knows that no one is perfect in the draft but he typically has more picks to take shots with. BB is also big on continued improvement/upside and is not afriad to move on no matter the draft pick status or resume of a player.

    I also think people need to give them credit for the strong contributions that they have gotten from undrafted free agents and cuts from other teams – see Green-Ellis, Guyton, Woodhead, Dane Fletcher, Hoyer, etc. – and maybe Jeff Tarpinian who made the team as an undrafted free agent.

    Last note – the Pats cut Butler (2nd rounder in 09) to pickup A.J. Edds (4th round LB from Miami Dolphins 2010 draft). He spent his rookie season on injured reserve after tearing his ACL in training camp and then led the Dolphins with 18 tackles this preseason, while adding a sack. He also can long-snap. Let’ssee how it all works out with time.

  58. hoosierhandicapper says: Sep 6, 2011 6:37 PM

    @tedmurph…

    As you pointed out 17/50 picks are still on Pat’s roster. Steelers 14/38, Colts 16/41, Ravens 18/49. All pretty close.

    —————–

    Get your facts straight, tedmurph. Steelers have 21/43 on their roster during exactly the same timeframe as the Pats dismal performance you’ve mentioned above.

    And comparing him to Ozzie isn’t exactly doing him any favors as most unbiased Ravens fans will admit that he’s missed a lot, especially lately. Both are overrated.

  59. hoosierhandicapper says: Sep 6, 2011 6:39 PM

    @rc33
    Coaching had nothing to do with holding Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk and The Greatest Show on Turf to 17 points back in ’01
    —————-
    Nope… videotape did though. And the Pats have zero SBs since their crutch was taken away and they haven’t won a playoff game since 2007.

    The 2010 draft (and Brady) probably will save this team from becoming the Bills.

  60. clavette says: Sep 6, 2011 6:39 PM

    really was hoping he would make it in the nfl coming outta uconn, then again i was hoping donald brown would too…

    at least will beatty is getting the chance to start with the giants this season and he looks good

  61. j0esixpack says: Sep 6, 2011 6:46 PM

    The Patriots remain a perennial contender BECAUSE they are willing to cut high draft picks – not in spite of it.

    Other coachers or GMs are prone to clog the roster with someone like Vernon Gholston to save face.

    Belichick knows the NFL draft is a total crapshoot. Sometimes you have a bumper crop – sometimes they’re all busts – usually its a combination – for all teams.

    But not every team has Belichick’s inclination to put pride and ego aside and give a roster spot to an undrafted rookie who earned the spot rather than a former 1st or 2nd round pick

  62. rockieschef says: Sep 6, 2011 6:48 PM

    ahhh,,,,The best GM in the league is Ted Thompson

  63. youboettcha says: Sep 6, 2011 6:55 PM

    2009 draft:
    26. Clay Matthews (pick from Patriots)
    41. Darius Butler (pick from Packers)

    I bet Bill Belichick regrets that trade.

  64. tangysizzl says: Sep 6, 2011 7:19 PM

    As a Packer fan, I just know Ted Thompson has twice fleeced Belichick in draft day trades and ended up with tow perenial pro bowl quality players out of the deals. Greg Jennings and Clay Matthews III.

    Its debatable whether TT is a better drafter than BB but I have to give BB credit for putting together a very solid team every season.

    Thompson tends to rely on his draft classes a lot more than Belichick and doesn’t use FAs very often unless he absolutely has to and when he does he doesn’t spend big on them with the exception of Charles Woodson.

    Having said all that, I can’t say Thompson is the best GM in the league but I do believe he is in the top 5 at drafting and he better be because thats how he builds his team. Also his first 4 or so years were not that great but he still managed to nab a few good players in those drafts that are still with the team.

  65. 4512dawg4512 says: Sep 6, 2011 7:21 PM

    Pat Chung was a badass! He could see from sideline to sideline cause his eyes were so squinted! He rocked

  66. halo81 says: Sep 6, 2011 7:25 PM

    But, but, but … Belichick is a draft genius…

  67. catdelmonte says: Sep 6, 2011 7:26 PM

    @godolphins91
    the reason they are considered good at drafting is that they didn’t draft cha henne

  68. thamel37 says: Sep 6, 2011 7:27 PM

    The 2009 Draft was a bust in general. The Pats had a ton of picks and most of them fell flat. But the issue is you can say that about the majority of the league that year.
    At least they hit big with Chung who looks like he could be a top 10 safety in the league very soon. Vollmer has already been called one of the leagues best right tackles in the game. Edelman has the potential to replace Welker and come very close to matching his production. Pryor is a servicable DT in their rotation. And who knows, maybe Brace will finally get it going this year, provided he is still part of the team by game time.
    The bottom line is the ’09 draft was terrible with the exception of a few stars here and there. The Pats just increase their chances of landing some by having so many choices. Hard to argue that philosophy when you have the talent they have year in year out.
    Not every draft pick will stick. Like someone here said already, a lot of the Pats draft “busts” are at least still in the league helping other teams, they just couldn’t cut it on the leagues best team of the last 10 years.

  69. zimaman says: Sep 6, 2011 7:34 PM

    gregjennings85 says:
    Sep 6, 2011 5:22 PM

    you were trying to be smart ass and dispute my remarks by saying “natural selection” BUT you are actually right.

    in other words you make the picks, they go to camp and then it is survival of the fittest. that is the natural order of things.

    NOT “draft failure”

    .

  70. tedmurph says: Sep 6, 2011 7:34 PM

    TT is a great GM, won the SB and hosed the Pats on the Jennings deal. Matthews is a great player and would be top 5 in any redraft, but the Pats were scared off by USC steroid rumors that have already showed up with Cushing and Maualuga(BB coached Matthew’s father).

    In that deal and later deals w/those picks Pats got Butler, Tate(both busts) and Gronkowski.

    Have a feeling it won’t look so bad in a year or 2.

  71. tedmurph says: Sep 6, 2011 7:45 PM

    Forgot, they got Edelman too.

  72. forthelove says: Sep 6, 2011 7:53 PM

    rc33 says:
    Sep 6, 2011 6:28 PM
    You know why New England is so damn good? It has ZERO to do with the hoodie.

    ITS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A FUTURE HALL OF FAME QB.

    ————————————————–Indeed.
    Coaching had nothing to do with holding Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk and The Greatest Show on Turf to 17 points back in ’01.
    ————————————————–
    Good point, coaching. That, and a lot of “film study”.

  73. 6ball says: Sep 6, 2011 7:57 PM

    .

    @you betcha

    The trade wasn’t Matthews for Butler even up . The pats also acquired Ron Gronkowski, Brandon Tate, and Julian Edelman with the picks obtained from the pack.

    However, you have to give credit to Ted Thompson . He’s not afraid to make a controversial move ..

    Regarding Butler, he may just need a new start. For whatever reason, he never developed. Another club may have a better result.

    .

  74. bcgreg says: Sep 6, 2011 8:08 PM

    What makes this cut even MORE painful is that in 2009, they started at pick #23 and traded down to # 26 with Balt. They then traded down again with GB into the second round picking Butler with the 41st pick. Other players acquired in these deals were Tate (gone), Edelman (jury’s still out), and eventually through another trade using picks acquired from GB, Gronkowski (stud!).

    If the Pats stayed at their original pick, they could have had Oher (Balt took Oher at 23), Vontae Davis (if they were looking at CB, then why not take the best one in the draft?), or Clay Matthews, who most draft experts had the Pats taking. After they traded down to 26, they still could have had Matthews (Davis was gone), but they traded with GB, who took Matthews.

    I was SCREAMING at the TV for the Pats to take Matthews, but, alas, it did not happen.

    See. I told it hurts more when you look at it this way.

  75. macker1283 says: Sep 6, 2011 8:11 PM

    Its pretty easy to absorb draft misses when Tom Brady is your quarterback.

  76. TheWizard says: Sep 6, 2011 8:49 PM

    I notice all the nattering nabobs of negativism leaving out the number of undrafted free agents on the Pats roster.

    I’d say Bill does just fine at evaluating talent.

  77. manzoa says: Sep 7, 2011 2:51 AM

    If Belicheat is such a freakin’ genius, how is it that he cut a former number 1 AND a former number 2 in the same week? Oh….yeah, Patsy Kool Aid drinkers, “he knows what he’s doing”, “Bill does just fine at evaluating talent” and “he has 2 1’s and 2 2’s next year”…sure, it doesn’t matter if he has 4 1’s next year if he keeps picking guys that get cut. The PoS is still living off the fact he ‘discovered’ GQ Brady in the 6th round…..

  78. bozosforall says: Sep 7, 2011 10:43 AM

    TheWizard says:
    Sep 6, 2011 8:49 PM
    I notice all the nattering nabobs of negativism leaving out the number of undrafted free agents on the Pats roster.

    I’d say Bill does just fine at evaluating (UNDRAFTED) talent.
    ___
    He HAS to, given his massive amount of whiffs in the draft over the past several years.

    Gotta love how you New England idiots continually attempt to spin everything. Face it, Bill usually hits on his first rounder, mostly whiffs on the rest (except for last season, but then again it’s way too early to tell if any of those guys will really stick around for more than a couple of years, given how Merriweather and Butler started early but still got the boot) and TOTALLY LUCKED OUT on getting Brady.

  79. bozosforall says: Sep 7, 2011 10:54 AM

    I hear that Belicheck is looking to Japan for his next 1st round pick: some “guy” named “Sony Digicam”.

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