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Jaguars lift blackout, but game is not sold out

Jack Del Rio AP

The Jacksonville Jaguars have announced that their home opener will air on local television, and in the process lifted the curtain on a dirty little secret in the NFL: Games don’t actually have to be sold out to lift the local TV blackout.

The Jaguars’ announcement that the game will be on local TV notes that there are tickets remaining for the game, and ticket sales are expected to continue through Sunday. So the game is not a sellout.

But the Jaguars have apparently decided to take advantage of the NFL rule that allows them to buy back their own unsold tickets at 34 cents on the dollar, and therefore lift the local TV blackout.

Every NFL team is free to use that tactic to put its games on local television, but teams rarely if ever acknowledge that that’s what they’re doing. The teams that do buy back their own tickets don’t want fans to get used to the idea that they can watch every home game on TV even if the game isn’t sold out, and the teams that don’t buy back their own tickets don’t want fans to realize that they’re too cheap to take the necessary step to get their games on TV.

So teams like the Jaguars will issue announcements saying that their games aren’t blacked out, but they won’t explain that they lifted the blackout by buying their own tickets. And teams like the Buccaneers, whose home opener is blacked out, won’t explain that they could have lifted the blackout if they had wanted to spend the money.

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  1. ticalcaldwell says: Sep 9, 2011 1:54 PM

    That is not too much of a secret….If the owners didnt want to have blackouts….presto….we wouldnt have them….period…They would have at least changed this in the new CBA

  2. conseannery says: Sep 9, 2011 1:57 PM

    I’ve heard it alleged for the past 15 years that there’s an NFL team in this so-called “Jacksonville,” but I’ve yet to see definitive proof.

  3. igotacousinweusetocallporky says: Sep 9, 2011 1:59 PM

    In the the case of the Buccaneers 40,00 tickets @ thirty four cent on the dollar is still a lot of money. Why exactly did that franchise hit the bottom so quickly?

  4. awhite46 says: Sep 9, 2011 1:59 PM

    This isn’t necessarily true. There are other ways to lift the blackout besides the .34 cents option. Each team is also allowed to comp up to 17,000 tickets a year. The jaguars could have pulled from that allotment the 4,000 tickets remaining. No way to prove this but I bet they gave a significant portion of their tickets to the military. Wayne Weaver has been pretty outspoken about not wanting a game on 9/11 to be blacked out.

  5. raider23mike says: Sep 9, 2011 1:59 PM

    Do we still see Blackout games if we have Sunday Ticket?

  6. pfizzle82 says: Sep 9, 2011 2:00 PM

    why the nfl gave jacksonville and carolina teams in 1995 is still beyond me. what terrible cities for pro football. paul tagliabue was an idiot.

  7. dasboat says: Sep 9, 2011 2:01 PM

    Bucs fans are well aware of this. The Glazers bought up tons of tix in 2009 but said they weren’t going to do it going forward. And they haven’t. I bought my tickets for Sunday’s game.

  8. Michael David Smith says: Sep 9, 2011 2:02 PM

    @raider23mike

    If you live in the blackout area (within 75 miles of the stadium) you cannot see the blacked out games even if you have Sunday Ticket. If you live outside the blackout area you can see the games on Sunday Ticket.

  9. jredshoes says: Sep 9, 2011 2:05 PM

    and a raider would know about blackouts…

  10. wte1 says: Sep 9, 2011 2:05 PM

    When they buy back their own tickets where does the money go to?

    Themselves???

    I don’t understand the accounting.

  11. robigd says: Sep 9, 2011 2:07 PM

    @pfizzle82,

    Who do you suggest they should have gave them to? LA?

    You are a hater.

  12. nomoreseasontix says: Sep 9, 2011 2:16 PM

    “They would have at least changed this in the new CBA”
    ______________

    What on Earth does a collective bargaining agreement have to do with NFL blackout rules?

    You’re saying that they should require the players to buy the unsold tickets?

  13. nogoodell says: Sep 9, 2011 2:16 PM

    send the team to LA already

  14. blancodiablo says: Sep 9, 2011 2:17 PM

    Yo Pfizzle…why your parents gave you use of their computer is still beyond me. They should have known something was up when you only type with one hand.

    Dont worry about Jacksonville. I’ll be enjoying the game while youre working your way up the corporate chain to be Asst. fry manager at McDonalds.

  15. blackbug99 says: Sep 9, 2011 2:21 PM

    I’m thinking even their own fans wouldn’t know they weren’t on TV if no-one told them!!

  16. pcjag says: Sep 9, 2011 2:24 PM

    @wte1

    The visiting team gets 34% of the gate. I believe they cut them the check, or to the NFL who then disburses the funds.

  17. xxxviichamps says: Sep 9, 2011 2:24 PM

    I have no angst against the Glazers for not buying up the tickets. It sets a bad precedent. If people want to see the game, they should shell out the $30 it costs to go. I’m a season ticket holder and about 20 of my friends that arent season ticket holders bought $30 tickets for Sunday’s game. If it’s not worth it to you, then sit at home and listen to Gene Deckerhoff, hell at least we’re lucky enough to have Gene.

    Go Bucs!

  18. bunjy96 says: Sep 9, 2011 2:26 PM

    wte1 says: Sep 9, 2011 2:05 PM

    When they buy back their own tickets where does the money go to?

    Themselves???

    I don’t understand the accounting.

    *************
    Believe it goes towards the visiting teams portion.

  19. doe22us says: Sep 9, 2011 2:30 PM

    yes thumbs up/down is back

  20. cjspiller12 says: Sep 9, 2011 2:41 PM

    Just do what Jacksonville always does, cover up half the stadium with a tarp and call it a sell out.

  21. emma333 says: Sep 9, 2011 2:44 PM

    Once again, the glass is half-empty when it comes to the Jaguars. Yes, it is correct that game is not yet a complete sell-out. However, the team was given an extension, meaning it is close. The team does not want a blackout, and they have been creative in getting the 3,000 tickets needed. They will be distributed among the many in the military that populate our fine city. Yet somehow, this good deed will be turned into a negative by those who wish to comment here.

  22. urteamsux52 says: Sep 9, 2011 2:52 PM

    as a former tampa bay season tix holder it sucks for tampa fans. i live in knoxville now i will wear my selmon jersey hang in there tampa few ass beayings that we lay on teams we wont have blackouts TAMPA……

  23. shackdelrio says: Sep 9, 2011 3:02 PM

    “blackbug99 says:
    Sep 9, 2011 2:21 PM
    I’m thinking even their own fans wouldn’t know they weren’t on TV if no-one told them!!”

    I think the Jaguars local TV ratings (and NFL ratings as a whole) in Jacksonville would probably surprise you.

  24. dannano says: Sep 9, 2011 3:04 PM

    Don’t the Jags have like a portion of their stadium tarped off to sellout easier. I can’t see anyone wanting to go to a Jags game anyways…not like the team is better then average(worse than that since Garrard is gone).

  25. redrocker77 says: Sep 9, 2011 3:11 PM

    I wish we could walk up and buy a 30$ ticket. Lowest ticket price in J-Ville is 60$, which is still low by league standards. Everbank worked a clause that if Jax has a blackout, they have to pay EverBank 150,000$ as a penalty, per blackout. It’s much cheaper for Wayne Weaver to buy the remainder at 34 cents on the dollar

  26. fran021 says: Sep 9, 2011 3:11 PM

    wte1 says:
    Sep 9, 2011 2:05 PM
    When they buy back their own tickets where does the money go to?

    Actually that’s an interesting question. Why bother? Revenue sharing, I guess.

  27. blackbug99 says: Sep 9, 2011 3:25 PM

    “I think the Jaguars local TV ratings (and NFL ratings as a whole) in Jacksonville would probably surprise you.”………………………………………………………..

    I bet they would, but if you can’t put them in the seats what does that say?

  28. scarletmacaw says: Sep 9, 2011 3:26 PM

    @Michael David Smith
    Sep 9, 2011 2:02 PM

    I was told by DirecTV that the game would be blacked out on Sunday Ticket if the local station you get is also blacked out. The local station could be blacked out even if it’s outside the 75 mile radius if the signal ‘penetrates’ into the 75 mile radius. And you could live much farther from the stadium than the local station that DirecTV gives you. The 75 mile limit is a lie the NFL tells congress hoping they won’t get further regulated.

  29. blancodiablo says: Sep 9, 2011 3:46 PM

    emma333 says: They will be distributed among the many in the military that populate our fine city.

    Dont expect NBC to be sympathetic to the military. Now maybe if the seats were donated to hippies, welfare-receipients, illegals, and “disenfranchised” voters, NBC would be all over it. You know, their viewership (and 90% of LA).

    You want to wear out a couple of Garrard jerseys after the game?

  30. theravenlives2 says: Sep 9, 2011 3:47 PM

    @pfizzle82,

    Who do you suggest they should have gave them to? LA?

    You are a hater.

    ====================================
    Hey, how about BALTIMORE! Remember them? The city that had to resort to taking the Cleveland Browns because the NFL (and that jackass Tagliabue) made a huge mistake and gave your country-assed city a team.

    I still remember it well – Tags on the podium saying to Baltimore that “you didn’t have to apply for expansion team. Maybe you should have used that money and built a museum.” Then the joy on his face – and the faces of the NFL bean counters – when they drew their little 150 mile circle and said Jacksonville was a “virgin” market with no teams close by. It had such great potential!

    You may remember, we have a team now called the RAVENS. They’ve only sold out 160-some straight games since they’ve been in Baltimore. EVERY home game has been sold out.

    You guys in Jacksonville kill me. First, it was the economy, then it was college football, then it was the “we should have drafted Tebow” excuse. In the expansion derby, Wayne Weaver promised everyone decades and decades of sellouts! Well, where the hell are they?

    Enjoy another losing season in a half-empty stadium (psst. I bet its full on October 24th when the Ravens are in town! God, I love Southwest Airlines!). I’m enjoying the HELL out of my “museum” with 70,000 people in it each week!

  31. zoxitic says: Sep 9, 2011 3:48 PM

    Just so you folks know. We love the tarps. We embrace the tarps. The tarps are our 13th man.
    Long live the tarps. Come take a visit to our fine city and take a picture of our tarps. They are world famous.

  32. jvillenole says: Sep 9, 2011 3:51 PM

    You know what amazes me is how SD and AZ doing the exact same thing to lift blackouts this weekend is not even mentioned on this site, yet the Jaguars, who will sell the remaining $3,000 tix by Sunday, is mentioned.

    Just what do you guys have against the Jaguars?

  33. blackandtealforeal says: Sep 9, 2011 3:53 PM

    Thanks to Wayne Weaver, a much classier owner than most other team’s fans give him credit for.
    As for Jacksonville, the team competes with the beach, golf year round and many other outdoor activities. Tampa has four times the people as Jacksonville and is getting blacked out. Jacksonville is a great place to live. We are happy to have an NFL team. When the economy is flourishing, or the team is winning there is no problem selling tickets. The poor product put on the field last couple yrs along with the same generic QB gave us problems in 2009, but 2010 there where no black outs.
    You think Jax is your whipping boy. Go crawl back under your rock neanderthal and do some fact checking.

  34. no1jag says: Sep 9, 2011 4:00 PM

    Hey Ravens fans you want your blankey??? You are the whiniest freaking fan base on this site. Whine Tags this whine Tags that suck it up you bunch of babies.

  35. wmthomas3 says: Sep 9, 2011 4:04 PM

    The Jaguars will still have more in attendance then:

    23 Pittsburgh 65,607
    24 Jacksonville 66,350
    25 Arizona 62,774
    26 Chicago 62,195
    27 Cincinnati 60,364
    28 Minnesota 58,751 29
    Detroit 56,285 30
    St. Louis 52,922
    31 Tampa Bay 49,314
    32 Oakland 46,431
    We have a large stadium, a smaller city and a 500 team. When the team gets back into playoff contention they will move back up into the top 1/4 of the league in attendance.

  36. nationalmediacansuckit says: Sep 9, 2011 4:27 PM

    @theravenlives2

    Wahhhh, museum, wahhhhh, taglibue gave you a team….wahhhh.

    You little rats in your rat infested town really kill me. Suck it, you didn’t get a team and now you have one in that piece of %*$% town of yours. Been there and will never return, EVER. Worst trip of my life. By the way, you and all you toddler Raven buddies need to worry about the Steelers instead of Jax. By the way, It’s not a rivalry, when you can’t beat them. Wahhhhhhh, where’s my teddy bear.

  37. robigd says: Sep 9, 2011 4:49 PM

    @theravenlives2,

    You have a lot of hate inside you, lol.

    Enjoy your aging defense for another year as the Steeler’s continue to be the class of your division.

  38. nationalmediacansuckit says: Sep 9, 2011 4:51 PM

    pfizzle82 says:
    Sep 9, 2011 2:00 PM
    why the nfl gave jacksonville and carolina teams in 1995 is still beyond me. what terrible cities for pro football. paul tagliabue was an idiot.
    ————————————————–

    Yeah tell me about it. Foxboro(Patriots) in the 90′s were putting 30K for a complete decade. Why in the world would they get a team? What about that powerhouse Arizona Cardinals putting 20K and couldn’t give tickets away 90′ and 2000′s until Kurt Warner. The mega team Falcons before and after Deion Sanders until Vick. Yeah those 40K fans were amazing. Oh yeah how can I forget about that great Indy Colts organization Pre-Peyton.30K every Sunday in the 90′s, pretty well documented. Tampa and those great 80′s and 90′s crowds. Great 35K in the stands fan support in the Big Sombrero. These teams and many more have for decades NO fan support. But i get it, all you bully mentality types like to join the big bully(major news outlets) and bash Jax instead of knowing the truth.

    See that’s the problem with you weebles on here. You have ZERO clue about the history of the league. You guys live in the moment and now b/c Jax is the (supposedly) poster child for blackouts which couldn’t be more false you believe everything you read and hear on that boob tube in front of you. Jax will NEVER lose this team, but feel free to keep the jabs coming. We’re use to it. Damn I love football.

  39. jagwar73 says: Sep 9, 2011 5:17 PM

    Talk about a wonderful owner helping the fans of our team. Thanks Wayne. Theravenlives2 why are you so bitter? Come to FL and get some sun so you can relax. Hypertension’s a killer. Go Jags!

  40. stockdogdca says: Sep 9, 2011 5:23 PM

    No one truly cares about the Jacksonville “Tank”-guars and their blackout. They threw away the season (and an opportunistic one at that) with Peyton taking a considerable amount of time to recover ! Their season says “Huge ScrewUp” again, dump Del Rio and move on. This coming from a fellow USC alum. Get ‘er Done !

  41. robigd says: Sep 9, 2011 5:23 PM

    @nationalmediacanduckit,

    you make way too much sense, and you have actual numbers to back up your points. you are forbidden to ever post here again!

  42. jagwar73 says: Sep 9, 2011 5:29 PM

    Deion Sanders new commercials are hilarious! Make more pleeeaaasssee!

  43. nationalmediacansuckit says: Sep 9, 2011 5:37 PM

    @robigd

    Thank you my kind sir. I’ve seen you around here fighting these marshmellows as well. It’s amazing the monster national media has created with thier misinformation and hatred of Jax. See you around.

  44. whags334 says: Sep 9, 2011 5:42 PM

    When did we end up with so many moronic trolls on this website. First of all only 10k seats are covered up in a stadium, 74947, which was the third largest in the league five years ago. Now the stadium seats 64500, still larger then a third of the stadiums in the league. Everbank Field is still larger then Raymon James in Tampa and even with the Bucs coming off a 10-6 season and a population four times the size of Jacksonville, they are still no where near avoiding a blackout.

    And for all you clowns who are worried about the diffence between a sell out and avoiding a blackout…don’t worry about it. The Raiders haven’t had a sell out since the Jaguars have been in existance, that is a fact. The Bucs haven’t had a sell out since the year they won the Super Bowl.

    As I said during a post in a previous article, I feel said for the people who keep hoping Jacksonville moves to L.A. A city that has proven over and over again, that it won’t support a team. Jacksonville did not have a blackout at all and that was after two seasons where the team fell apart down the stretch. What kind of man or woman takes such joy in the misery that Jaguar fans would face if we lost OUR team. Maybe you should look in the mirror and figure out how you would feel if your team packed up and moved away. Then ask yourself, “what kind of troll am I, that I am wishing such a crushing blow on another human being?” Now, if your an owner of an NFL team, then by all means go ahead and complain about the Jags ticket sales but if you not, then all I can say is, “Shame, shame on you”. And for your info, Jacksonville is the 11th biggest city in the U.S. and is in a great location…sounds like a great place for an NFL team.

  45. emma333 says: Sep 9, 2011 5:50 PM

    Yahoo reports–Jaguars blackout lifted due to late push for tickets…1,400 remain. Sure to be sold by Sunday…Imagine the beauty, great fly-over, great game witnessed by thousands of those brave ones that have served in our military that now call this great city their home. Thanks Jags, you have taken a major hit by haters this week—but it’s all good!

  46. nationalmediacansuckit says: Sep 9, 2011 6:18 PM

    stockdogdca says:
    Sep 9, 2011 5:23 PM
    No one truly cares about the Jacksonville “Tank”-guars and their blackout
    ————————————————–

    Ok, so what. The fact that you don’t care about Jax is fine. I don’t care about your team and to be honest I don’t care about the the other 31 teams in the league b/c I’m not a fan of those teams. That’s why I don’t post on any other teams pages unless it’s Jax or AFC South. You know nothing about Jax. Here’s a tip for you, only post on your team and division topics. You probably have better knowledge of those topics than this one.

  47. urlifestillsucks says: Sep 9, 2011 6:53 PM

    It doesn’t matter what most of you tools say. You life will still suck even if your team wins the Superbowl. Worry about your own team because no one (including chicks, you already know this) thinks you are somehow better because your team won a freaking football game. Enjoy what you have, because eventually, mommy and daddy won’t buy your tickets anymore.

  48. buzzbissinger says: Sep 9, 2011 7:01 PM

    Of all the teams…Jax fans seem to be the touchiest…especially when it comes to [ahem] blackouts.

  49. rockieschef says: Sep 9, 2011 7:06 PM

    Such problems,,,,,Glad to be a Pack fan!!!!!

  50. nationalmediacansuckit says: Sep 9, 2011 7:39 PM

    buzzbissinger says:
    Sep 9, 2011 7:01 PM
    Of all the teams…Jax fans seem to be the touchiest…especially when it comes to [ahem] blackouts.
    ————————————————-
    Thank you for proving my [ahem] point.

  51. mechajaguar says: Sep 9, 2011 7:41 PM

    @buzzbissinger:

    Well if you have hear about this moving to L.A. crap every day, I’m sure you would be cranky as well. Not to mention the bitter Raven fans. Boo freaking hoo! They got a team the year after and it has been a successful franchise. Yet they’re still hung up on something that happened 16 years ago. That’s more pathetic than some of the “fans” in this town that are still in a hissy fit because we didn’t draft their hometown Golden Boy.

  52. recon163 says: Sep 9, 2011 8:22 PM

    @ whags334:

    “As I said during a post in a previous article, I feel said for the people who keep hoping Jacksonville moves to L.A. A city that has proven over and over again, that it won’t support a team.”

    If you mean by support that the mayors in the LA area won’t use $50k of the publics money to throw a ticket selling party or give up our portion of the naming rights revenue, then you are right, we don’t support the team.

    “Jacksonville did not have a blackout at all . . .”

    With two extensions, 0% financing on tickets and discounts.

    “What kind of man or woman takes such joy in the misery that Jaguar fans would face if we lost OUR team. Maybe you should look in the mirror and figure out how you would feel if your team packed up and moved away.”

    Been there. No sympathy at all.

    “Then ask yourself, “what kind of troll am I, that I am wishing such a crushing blow on another human being?”

    Crushing blow? Are you that weak of spirit that losing a professional sports teams is a crushing blow? How does a divorce, loss of parent, loss of friends and so on rate?

    “And for your info, Jacksonville is the 11th biggest city in the U.S. . . .”

    Well that is nice, but the business of the NFL is done off of the MSA list. And you are number 40 on that one.

  53. recon163 says: Sep 9, 2011 9:11 PM

    @ nationalmediacansuckit:

    “Yeah tell me about it. Foxboro(Patriots) in the 90′s . . . Arizona Cardinals putting 20K . . . Falcons before and after Deion Sanders . . . great Indy Colts organization Pre-Peyton.30K every Sunday in the 90′s, Tampa and those great 80′s and 90′s crowds.”

    But yet you don’t want 2000-2003 and 2009 JVille numbers discussed. And no dare bring up lagging sales this year. Just a bit hypocritical, no?

    “See that’s the problem with you weebles on here. You have ZERO clue about the history of the league. You guys live in the moment. . .”

    Actually few really care about the 90′s anymore. It really is a case of what is happening now. And at this point JVille is not impressing the league at all. Especially with all that money waiting in LA.

    But two numbers that really matter to the league and its owners: 32 and 26. 32 out of 32 teams in value, 26 out of 32 teams in revenue.

    “Jax will NEVER lose this team . . .”

    We shall see, won’t we?

  54. nflfan1326 says: Sep 9, 2011 9:14 PM

    Every time something is posted about the Jaguars this board just lights up.
    Here’s some facts: In the contract for the naming rights deal with EverBank the Jags must pay EverBank $100K if a game is blacked out. That means when unsold tickets total less than $294K( 34%) the game will be on TV. Even if Jags have to write check to league, they are better off than having game blacked out. If tickets average say $75 for non-premium seats then the threshold is around 3900 tickets. For this weeks game they have 1500 left, way under threshold. They are fully optimistic that they will be able to sell the remaining based on the last 72 hours of sales. I expect paid attendance to be 63K. You cannot compare this to the Tampa bay situation where tickets this week were not moving at all. They had 10K left and had no chance to sell all by game time. Glazer would have to pay the league a quarter of a million dollars to show game on TV. Not realistic. Hope this helps some of you who continue to listen to national media types and not know the true facts.

  55. nflfan1326 says: Sep 9, 2011 9:29 PM

    Also, last year the St Louis Rams had zero blackouts but averaged 52K in paid attendance in a 66K seat dome. I’m sure the owner of St Louis had to buy a huge allotment of tickets to each game. In 2009, Glazer of Tampa Bay bought tickets at 34% for a lot of the home games to have zero blackouts. And the Bills had one guy pony up 34% of about 10K tickets to get the last home game of year against Patriots on TV. It’s funny how we never hear about this stuff. But when the Jags have only 1500 tickets left that are moving briskly and are confident they will be sold by game day, Michael David Smith deems this a good time to do some small market bashing. Write a story about Tampa having their 13th straight blackout in a Top 20 market.

  56. nflfan1326 says: Sep 9, 2011 9:33 PM

    @recon163
    Actually the business of the NFL is done off of TV markets. Jacksonville is 48th.

  57. robigd says: Sep 9, 2011 11:12 PM

    @recon163,

    You obviously have a deep hate for the city of Jacksonville and the Jaguars.

    Can you give us an intelligent answer on why all of your hate is directed at the Jaguars, and not a team 4 hours Southwest that is having 10x the trouble filling their stadium that the Jaguars have?

    You make ignorant comments like “And at this point JVille is not impressing the league at all. Especially with all that money waiting in LA.”.

    Wayne Weaver has had numerous chances to sell the team, and if you actually lived in Jacksonville, you would realize that as long as he lives, this team will ALWAYS remain in Jacksonville.

    Were you aware that Wayne Weaver is one of the FEW owners who didn’t cut his employees pay during the lockout? Probably not, because PFT doesn’t like to post anything positive about Jacksonville.

    All that money may be waiting in LA, but are the fans?

  58. blancodiablo says: Sep 10, 2011 1:09 AM

    LA LA LA

    There, let’s see if recon163 can pick that up in his search filter to post another unmemorable rant about LA.

    Hey Recon, enjoy another season of watching the NFL on TV from your “paradise” while the rest of us watch from inside the stadium – sold out or not.

    Sincerely,

    The residents of Jacksonville, Buffalo, Minneapolis, San Diego, Tampa and Oakland.

  59. joetoronto says: Sep 10, 2011 4:19 AM

    raider23mike:

    I had the same issue many years ago. I got myself an address in NYC and called DirecTV to tell them I moved, problem solved.

    I hear that now, they want to do the new installation themselves, but if you tell them you’re already up and running, you should be golden.

    Check this out…

    http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233457

  60. egetto says: Sep 10, 2011 8:04 AM

    So funny, I put well thought comments on here factually ripping PFT for their negative Jax bias and they read them and deleted them. 15,000 tickets sold between the day the lockout ended and yesterday.

    Recon- give it up nerd, they are never coming to LA. Keep reading Forbes though and pretending you are an MBA. You sound really good, but you forgot to put ROI in your last post. Joke.

  61. nationalmediacansuckit says: Sep 10, 2011 8:44 AM

    @recon163

    I don’t know why you waste your time breaking down my opinions. You will never change my opinions b/c they are my opinions. Besides, I’m never wrong. When I start stalking you then you can start stalking me. Until then go away.

  62. recon163 says: Sep 10, 2011 11:45 AM

    @ nationalmediacansuckit:

    “I don’t know why you waste your time breaking down my opinions. You will never change my opinions b/c they are my opinions.”

    And this is your problem, you think your opinions are manna from heaven. I enjoy exposing your hypocrisy and outright falsehoods.

    “Besides, I’m never wrong.”

    Again, you are wrong.

    “When I start stalking you then you can start stalking me. Until then go away.”

    In short you don’t want any counter argument? And who are you to stop me? That is what I thought, nobody.

  63. recon163 says: Sep 10, 2011 12:04 PM

    @ robigd:

    “You obviously have a deep hate for the city of Jacksonville and the Jaguars.”

    Not at all. I am very ambivalent about J’Ville.

    “Can you give us an intelligent answer on why all of your hate is directed at the Jaguars, and not a team 4 hours Southwest that is having 10x the trouble filling their stadium that the Jaguars have?”

    I assume you mean the Chargers? They are not exactly Southwest of LA, but I caught your drift. I more than willing to point out fallacies in any Chargers fans arguments as well. Have done it and will do it. But for the most part, they recognize their plight and argue from an intelligent standpoint.

    “You make ignorant comments like “And at this point JVille is not impressing the league at all. Especially with all that money waiting in LA.”.

    How is that an ignorant comment? Are you selling out the stadium? No. Are you not the subject of relocation talk? Yes.

    And who is making up this talk? The media or analysts in the sports business world? Folks inside the league? It all starts with the question: Which team is most apt to move to LA? The Jags continually come up high on the list for a reason. And that is despite the lease. I am not making my comment up, it is clear that J’Ville is being eyed as a team being considered for a move.

    ” . . .you would realize that as long as he lives, this team will ALWAYS remain in Jacksonville.”

    I have always held that to be true as well. And if he sells before his demise the team will move.

    “Were you aware that Wayne Weaver is one of the FEW owners who didn’t cut his employees pay during the lockout?”

    Now that is a silly comment. I am sure he also rescues kittens from shelters, but what does that have to do with a discussion on a blackout? Nothing.

    “All that money may be waiting in LA, but are the fans?”

    We shall see.

  64. recon163 says: Sep 10, 2011 12:07 PM

    @ blancodiablo:

    “There, let’s see if recon163 can pick that up in his search filter to post another unmemorable rant about LA.”

    They must not be, after all you came on here to comment about them.

    “Hey Recon, enjoy another season of watching the NFL on TV from your “paradise” while the rest of us watch from inside the stadium . . .”

    Not for long. As the folks from Jacksonville, Buffalo, Minneapolis, or San Diego will find out.

  65. recon163 says: Sep 10, 2011 12:16 PM

    @ egetto:

    “Recon- give it up nerd, they are never coming to LA.”

    Nerd? Oh my, I shudder at the concise arguments of the J’Ville fans. you have nade a clear case why J’Ville will never lose their team. It is because I am a nerd. How is eighth grade lit by the way?

    We shall see on the move.

    “Keep reading Forbes though and pretending you are an MBA.”

    How do you know I am not? I know you aren’t.

    “You sound really good, but you forgot to put ROI in your last post. Joke.”

    Hilarious. If that is the strength of your argument then thanks for admitting you have no idea of what you speak. Though I am sure you have impressed all your mullett wearing friends in the Piggly Wiggly parking lot with it.

  66. recon163 says: Sep 10, 2011 12:43 PM

    @ nflfan1326:

    Thanks for the notation on the TV market. I am not wrong and neither are you. But it does illustrate my point that being number 11 on the census means nothing.

    “Also, last year the St Louis Rams had zero blackouts but averaged 52K in paid attendance in a 66K seat dome. I’m sure the owner of St Louis had to buy a huge allotment of tickets to each game. In 2009, Glazer of Tampa Bay bought tickets at 34% for a lot of the home games to have zero blackouts. And the Bills had one guy pony up 34% of about 10K tickets to get the last home game of year against Patriots on TV. It’s funny how we never hear about this stuff.”

    The fact that two games were nearly blacked out in J’Ville was not widely reported either. And thank God, can you imagine the uproar about media conspiracies that would have emanated from J’Ville?

    “But when the Jags have only 1500 tickets left that are moving briskly and are confident they will be sold by game day, Michael David Smith deems this a good time to do some small market bashing. Write a story about Tampa having their 13th straight blackout in a Top 20 market.”

    You missed an earlier story that was directed at a number of markets facing blackouts. Moving briskly? Where is that noted or is that your flourish?

    The problem is that J’Ville fans do not want any negative stories about the Jags posted at all. As is evidenced throughout this thread.

  67. jjljr says: Sep 10, 2011 12:50 PM

    blackouts rock … here in the Bay Area, we never have to watch the Raiders play. if only people would stop buying 49er tickets, then they’d be blacked-out — and we’d be able to see the best games every Sunday.

  68. emma333 says: Sep 10, 2011 1:24 PM

    4 hours southwest=Tampa. Point is, they have had blackouts and many less seats are sold. Why are they not the whipping boy? A fair question. Oh, that’s right, in their case it’s the economy…

  69. recon163 says: Sep 10, 2011 2:06 PM

    @ emma333:

    “4 hours southwest=Tampa.”

    Got it. Thought the poster was talking about LA and SD.

    “Point is, they have had blackouts and many less seats are sold. Why are they not the whipping boy?”

    Are they not equally noted in the blackout stories? Or is this about blackouts or moving?

    As I have noted before the J’Ville issue has been on going and is not a phenomenon based on one season. That is what has driven the perception.

    And let’s face it, the whole ‘why aren’t you talking about Tampa’ argument is not compelling. It reminds me of a philandering husband pointing out the failings of the guy down the street. I think it speaks to the desperation of J’Ville fans to not want any focus being brought on to their situation.

  70. emma333 says: Sep 10, 2011 3:01 PM

    @recon163: AS I have noted before the J’ville issue has been on going and is not a phenomenon based on one season. That is what has driven the perception.

    But recon, J’ville has only had blackouts for one season. The perception is reality model does not apply. It’s tired, it’s old. It’s boring…I don’t wish any ill-will on Tampa…I love Tampa. We would just like for a story to be reported honestly, without negative connotation.

  71. recon163 says: Sep 10, 2011 3:36 PM

    @ emma333:

    “But recon, J’ville has only had blackouts for one season.”

    Is that true? Are you sure? I would suggest you check recent history.

    What caused the tarps to be installed? Here is what Weaver said in 2006, “One of the reasons we covered them is that we have too big a stadium for our market size. It doesn’t make any logical sense to [uncover them] to satisfy the demand for a game or two and still have blackouts for several other games. It doesn’t plan for the economic strategy of being able to have a waiting list and get our season-ticket price closer to the NFL average.”

    He acknowledges J’Ville had blackouts then. Now let’s fast forward to 2007, two years after the tarps are installed from the Times Union:

    “Three Jaguars home games have been blacked out this season.”

    Two years later the 2009 season saw 7 out of 8 games blacked out. 2010 had two games that needed extensions. Here is 2011 and J’Ville is facing the same problem. And one can note the numerous times an extension was needed to avoid a blackout.

    What from any of the above leads you to believe this is a one season issue?

    “We would just like for a story to be reported honestly, without negative connotation.”

    I believe it is being reported honestly, but Jags fans want the writer to acknowledge every single factor/excuse for the blackout in each and every story. Why should they? They are not in the business of making J’Ville look good at all costs.

  72. emma333 says: Sep 10, 2011 4:52 PM

    recon, You should report for PFT. That was an honest assessment of the recent past. Yes, your explanation for the tarps was correct and should no longer be an issue. My point is that since that time, the economy has been as issue in many small market cities. We have worked very hard to fix the blackouts. Other cities have joined us with this hardship. Our hope is that when things improve, we will benefit as well. We have much going for us-a decent stadium, and a committed owner. Your report was very straightforward, honest and that is what is appreciated. Our problem with the media is best portrayed by a recent article about the blackouts in Tampa that turned into a diatribe against Jacksonville. It is disingenuous. We don’t expect them to make Jacksonville look good, just stop taking swipes at every possible occasion. Peace.

  73. mjdstwittervoice says: Sep 11, 2011 1:17 AM

    In your rush to criticize the Jaguars and the Jacksonville fan base. There were only around 1500 tickets left of non premium seats. Wayne Weaver also stated that he will not let this game be blacked out due to the significance of the 10th anniversary of Sept. 11 being this is a military town and he is committed to honoring the soldiers, sailors and marines here as much as we are to defending this country. This is a one time deal.

  74. egetto says: Sep 11, 2011 9:38 AM

    @recon – looks like I hit I nerve and the more you talk back to everyone blasting every weak point you have, the weaker your points become….sorry, don’t have time to debate anymore, gotta go…. taking a pretty nice boat to the stadium to tailgate with my buddies and 60K+ other real fans. And its Publix, not Piggly Wiggly. Meanwhile, why don’t you spend the rest of your sunday googling statistics to support your points, and look for more reasons why you should have a team in LA to go cheer for today.

  75. bigvinnyinjax says: Sep 13, 2011 8:06 AM

    Nearly 62,000 in attendance Sunday. Just saying.

  76. robigd says: Sep 13, 2011 9:46 AM

    Jacksonville is the best team in the league.

    Can anybody statistically prove me wrong right now?

  77. recon163 says: Sep 13, 2011 10:38 AM

    @ egetto:

    ” . . .looks like I hit I nerve . . .”

    Not at all. Just giving you back what you sowed. I find it funny that when folks make smarmy comments they get offended when they get it back.

    ” Meanwhile, why don’t you spend the rest of your sunday googling statistics to support your points . . .”

    I didn’t. I flew to NY for the opening of the 9-11 memorial.

    You were probably like 4 when that happened.

  78. recon163 says: Sep 13, 2011 10:39 AM

    @ bigvinnyinjax:

    “Nearly 62,000 in attendance Sunday. Just saying.”

    How many paid? Just asking.

  79. bigvinnyinjax says: Sep 14, 2011 6:49 AM

    Per NFL.com “Paid Attendance: 61,619.”

    http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/55169/JAC_Gamebook.pdf

    To anyone paying attention, the game was under 4,000 tickets away from being a sellout the Friday before the game.

  80. bigvinnyinjax says: Sep 14, 2011 6:53 AM

    There are tarps, which are embarrassing and look hideous on TV. It was a struggle up to the very end and the owner ended up using a loophole with 1500 seats left to be sold.

    But at the end of the day 61,619 is nothing to be ashamed of for a team coming off an 8-8 season starting a QB who was third string last month.

  81. reconl63 says: Oct 2, 2011 8:45 AM

    @egetto said:
    “sorry, don’t have time to debate ”

    Good job, thats why Los Angelenos would be a better fanbase than anyone in Jacksonville because we have more time.

    “googling statistics”

    I don’t have to google statistics, I know everything that I type, don’t you?

    @recon163

    Since I have verbally bested everyone that I have ever come across on PFT I will show my Los Angelenos flower power and debate myself.

    @recon163 said:

    “How many paid? Just asking.”

    Normally those in attendance count as paid customers or ticketholders. I am just making you sound silly now (which isn’t hard to do dummy.)

    “I flew to NY for the opening of the 9-11 memorial.”

    I couldn’t make it because I had a meeting with Warren Buffet, on a stealth bomber, en route to the moon, which stopped by the sun first, after taking a submarine trip to Osama’s body. But that’s cool for you have you ever flown on a plane before?

    “I find it funny that when folks make smarmy comments they get offended when they get it back.”

    Smarmy? Please child, everything I have ever posted as recon163 is factual, irrefutable rock solid proof that Los Angeles is superior to every other city. In, that’s why every major sports team in and around Los Angeles will get a new stadium, bank it.

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