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Eric Mangini has “a lot of regrets” about Spygate

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Eric Mangini, the former Patriots assistant and Jets head coach who was involved in busting the Patriots over Spygate, now says he regrets that the Patriots and his old mentor, Bill Belichick, got in trouble over the matter.

“It’s one of those things where the end result wasn’t the goal,” Mangini said on WEEI. “I owe so much to Bill, I appreciate what he’s done for me and my intention was never to hurt him or the [Patriots] organization, the Kraft family.  Yeah, there’s a lot of regrets, I didn’t want to hurt him or the Patriots by any stretch.”

Belichick was once Mangini’s boss and friend, but the two have had a strained relationship since the Patriots were caught taping the Jets’ defensive signals in 2007. It’s a relationship that Mangini now refers to as “a work in progress.”

As for the repercussions of Spygate — Belichick was fined $500,000, the Patriots were fined $250,000 and docked their 2008 first-round draft pick — Mangini indicated that that wasn’t his goal.

“I wasn’t happy where the end result,” Mangini said. “How it could have been different, how different decisions and events could have taken place, I’m not sure how it would have played out differently.  I just didn’t want it to play out the way it did.”

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  1. jpmelon says: Sep 13, 2011 1:42 PM

    Mangini’s thought process….”maybe they’ll give me a job if I say this nonsense”

  2. akulabug says: Sep 13, 2011 1:44 PM

    He knows as well as anyone that it was buisness as usual in the NFL.

  3. nep1283 says: Sep 13, 2011 1:44 PM

    ha too late for all that. just shows whoever leaves the patriots organizatiom never has success anywhere else. Pats still on top

  4. madtolive5 says: Sep 13, 2011 1:45 PM

    The Truth is that all of the league has dirty secrets.

    Nobody wants to hire a guy as an assistant when they are afraid he will turn around and rat them out as a coach on another team down the road…

  5. obamasballsack says: Sep 13, 2011 1:47 PM

    I couldn’t agree with you more nep1283.

  6. joeinoh says: Sep 13, 2011 1:47 PM

    I thought headline said, “I had regrets about that spaghetti plate.”

  7. Land Snark says: Sep 13, 2011 1:48 PM

    @nep1283

    Isn’t that a bit of an indictment on the micromanaging style of Belichick?

    Either way, it seems as if Mangini is saying this now that he’s out of a job.

    He should have listened to Belichick and waited for a different job than the Jets position.

  8. iflounder says: Sep 13, 2011 1:49 PM

    it also gave us this: patriots*

  9. iwasinthepool says: Sep 13, 2011 1:50 PM

    See, I wanted them to get in trouble but I didn’t want them to get in THAT much trouble.

  10. EJ says: Sep 13, 2011 1:51 PM

    I want to personally thank Eric Mangini for what he did with the spygate. It reveals the truth about why the Patriots have been so good under Bill Belichick…

    They are cheaters.

  11. patsfiend says: Sep 13, 2011 1:51 PM

    You turd Mangini. You turd.

    Listened to the WEEI interview. Mangini named one of his KIDS after Belichick (before Spygate.) Whoops.

  12. 6the6ringedsteelerslolatyouremptylittletrophycase7 says: Sep 13, 2011 1:51 PM

    Cheetroits still cheat! ☺☻ LOLOLOLZ ☻☺

  13. pjack28 says: Sep 13, 2011 1:52 PM

    Patriots still cheat. That’s what they do and who they are.

  14. lbcoach34 says: Sep 13, 2011 1:52 PM

    What was the goal??

  15. ntr0py says: Sep 13, 2011 1:55 PM

    Mangini is a little rat.

    I just saw a performance on ESPN (I believe from this morning) where he claimed that nobody ever called BB a genius of ANY kind before New England.

    Apparently he is ignorant of Superbowl 25 (not to mention many years of sustained brilliance by BB before then).

    Is Belichick’s game plan the only game plan ever to be inducted into the hall of fame? Or are there others?

  16. steviethewiz says: Sep 13, 2011 1:56 PM

    Once exposed the Pats and Little Bill have not been back to the big game. I wonder how much that cheating helped them? I’ll guess no one will ever know but we sure do know they have not done well in the post season post Spy Gate.

  17. keeponhating says: Sep 13, 2011 1:57 PM

    nep1283 says:Sep 13, 2011 1:44 PM

    ha too late for all that. just shows whoever leaves the patriots organizatiom never has success anywhere else. Pats still on top

    ———————————————————–
    yeah and that success will leave when tom brady does. bill isn’t the great football mind everybody thinks he is.

  18. mybuttsayspft says: Sep 13, 2011 1:58 PM

    “I wasn’t happy where the end result,”

    I’m not happy with the end result either, they got off way too easy!!! The league destroyed all evidence of it and didn’t take any wins or SB’s away which they shoud have and belichick is still regarded as one of the greatest coaches ever. Dude’s a flat out cheat. And yes let’s hear from the kool-aid drinking patriots fans who would blow belichick if they had the chance. The media may try to act like it never happened but real fans know it was BULLSH*T!

  19. zeussuperman says: Sep 13, 2011 1:58 PM

    madtolive5 says: Sep 13, 2011 1:45 PM

    The Truth is that all of the league has dirty secrets.

    Nobody wants to hire a guy as an assistant when they are afraid he will turn around and rat them out as a coach on another team down the road…

    —————————

    You’re right, but if the NFL is a really a family league full of role models, as they want to spin it, should one of the unspoken rules really be “Stop Snitchin’ ” ?

  20. mayo63 says: Sep 13, 2011 1:58 PM

    How did Mangini ever become an NFL head coach? The guy is kind of real wimpy. Did the players ever want to play for this guy?

  21. underdog518 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:00 PM

    Mangini isn’t “out of a job.” He works for ESPN now. And he got hired as a HC again immediately after getting canned by the Jets. The reason he’s not working in the NFL right now isn’t because he ratted on Belichick. It’s because he’s failed twice as a head coach.

  22. wte1 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:00 PM

    It wasn’t Spygate that ruined the relationship between Belichick and Mangini. Their relationship soured after Mangini interviewed for HC of the NYJ against Belichick’s wishes.

    Belichick didn’t want Mangini to use all Bill’s mentoring to benefit their hated division rivals.

    Mangini interviewed anyway and returned to Gillette immediately after and was stunned to see that Belichick had terminated the pass code on the Mangini’s entry key and couldn’t get into the stadium.

  23. achap39 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:01 PM

    “I didn’t want to hurt him or the Patriots by any stretch.”

    So naturally, when you don’t want to hurt your mentor and former employer, you bust them out for doing something that you were an integral part of…knowing you, yourself, won’t get punished for it. What a rat.

  24. habsman says: Sep 13, 2011 2:01 PM

    Most reasonable fans know it was one of the worst decisions a commissioner has made in any sport at any time. Roger Goodell (Former Jet employee) over-reacted while trying to establish himself as the new boss. Taping signals in front of 80,000 fans. I think eventually the real story will come out and Mangini will tell it.

  25. nannymcsack says: Sep 13, 2011 2:04 PM

    so has he payed bill the half million dollars back?

  26. visible4 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:05 PM

    Mangini is a loser. If he was still coaching the Jets and was highly regarded, then he wouldn’t care. But now he cares because he viewed as a loser head coach and now wants to rebuild his reputation.

    Crazy to think about how everyone who leaves the Patriots falls flat on their face…

    Weiss: Failed
    McDaniels: Failed
    Romeo: Failed
    Mangini: Failed

    And now Pioli is running the worst team in football.

  27. richkotitte says: Sep 13, 2011 2:07 PM

    Mangenius’ children are making him a bundle on the Jersey Shore! It’s not about the $$$ and NFL employment, it’s about his place in Canton.

  28. zinn22 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:07 PM

    I am sure Mangini regrets so much. Lets make a short list.

    1. Stealing the scouting reports and player files from NE before he left the complex when he was hired by the Jets.
    2. Cheating against the Colts using illiegal substitutions in 2006 causing the competition committee have an emergency meeting to make a special Mangini rule.
    3. Refusing to allow his coaches to talk to Colt McCoy in 2010 because he was against drafting him.
    4. Pushing the Jets into drafting Gholston against strong objections form the scouting dept.
    5. Hijacking undrafted rookies in 2010 and forcing them to take a 20 hour bus trip to work his camp for free.
    6. Treating the Jets players with disprect eventually forcing his firing. Oh wait NM he did the same in Cleveland.
    7. Painting over the Jim Brown Mural to show he was more important to the Browns then Jim Brown.
    8. Refusing to give the playbook each week to Colt McCoy in 2010 until the other QBs had it for 2 days.
    9. This list could go on to include his feuds and grievances with players he felt disrespected him like Maewae,Ball and Coles. But the list is just to long.
    10. The Jets blowing 7+ 4t quarter leads in 2007 because Mangini wanted to show the world he was to smart to simply run the ball.
    11. The Great Jets collapse in 2008 because again he wanted to show the world he was to smart to win games the easy way. Rather than running he ball at a bad defense he would trick them by refusing to run. That worked great.

    Mangini is a very smart guy. But like many smart people he usually outsmarts himself. He is a classic case of ego getting in the way. A young man that was simply to young to be a HC who felt the way to get respect was to make grandiose displays of power rather than earn respect by treating other people with respect.

    Like many young people he seemed to think that he needed to act tough to gain respect. Acting tough may work well in the movies but in real life treating people with kindness and respect is the key to success. A guy like Belicheck can act the way he wants to because he has earned respect with 40+ years of coaching. A neophyte like Mangini, McDaniels or even Haley only gets laughed at by their players when they demand respect when they have done nothing to earn it.

  29. kingofthenorth92 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:07 PM

    If you didn’t want to hurt Belichick or the organization…then why did you go to the lengths to bust them? What a little rat to leave the organization for the biggest rival in that division and then turn around and bust them knowing that you’re no longer part of it and won’t get in trouble.

  30. patpatriotagain says: Sep 13, 2011 2:08 PM

    to the steeler/jets/miami whiners…

    get over it. you know you’d take belichick in a moment.

  31. tb12eatitbitches says: Sep 13, 2011 2:09 PM

    I can’t understand why so many people hate the Patriots. Oh yeah its cause they WIN, get over it you jealous loosers.

  32. jackfnburton says: Sep 13, 2011 2:09 PM

    And the Jets have a lot of regrets about Eric Mangini.

  33. silkyjohnson937 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:11 PM

    Everybody knows the superbowl winners are the teams that cheat the best, same goes for college football and really every sport at every level

  34. numberonesteelersfan says: Sep 13, 2011 2:11 PM

    the patriots are still cheating today. they have always been a bunch of cheaters

  35. elmoron says: Sep 13, 2011 2:12 PM

    wte1 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:00 PM
    “Mangini interviewed anyway and returned to Gillette immediately after and was stunned to see that Belichick had terminated the pass code on the Mangini’s entry key and couldn’t get into the stadium.”
    ======================================
    That pettiness says it all.
    Man up, Eric. You did the right thing.

  36. patriotsdefense says: Sep 13, 2011 2:12 PM

    The Patriots caught the Jets filming defensive signals in that 2006 Playoff game. Like adults they just told them to knock it off. The Jets are children and acted accordingly when the foot was on the other foot.

  37. favreforever says: Sep 13, 2011 2:16 PM

    Put enough vicious rats in the same cage and they start chewing each others backs. That’s been proven time and time again.

  38. promickey says: Sep 13, 2011 2:17 PM

    Eric be positive, tell Bill the next time you speak how happy you are to be out of Cleveland. You both can relate to that…….

  39. giablommi says: Sep 13, 2011 2:17 PM

    “I want to personally thank Eric Mangini for what he did with the spygate. It reveals the truth about why the Patriots have been so good under Bill Belichick…”
    ^^^^^
    Thats why the Patriots are 54-16 since week 1 of 2007.

    That’s a .771 winning percentage.

    PLEASE EXPLAIN

  40. flakazoid says: Sep 13, 2011 2:18 PM

    PATRIOTS:

    3 Super Bowls illegally taping opponents signals
    0 Super bowls not taping opponents signals

    Facts are facts

  41. tombradysbaby says: Sep 13, 2011 2:18 PM

    “I really regret not having a head coach job cause no one will trust me” Is what he is really saying..

  42. giablommi says: Sep 13, 2011 2:20 PM

    “It wasn’t Spygate that ruined the relationship between Belichick and Mangini. Their relationship soured after Mangini interviewed for HC of the NYJ against Belichick’s wishes.

    Belichick didn’t want Mangini to use all Bill’s mentoring to benefit their hated division rivals.”
    ^^^^^
    Don’t forget shamelessly trying to recruit players & coaches to jump ship on the plane ride back from Denver and tampering with Deion Branch during his holdout.

    And I’m sure there are other underhanded tactics employed by Mangini that have not yet come to light yet.

  43. KIR says: Sep 13, 2011 2:25 PM

    “As for the repercussions of Spygate…..“I wasn’t happy where the end result,”
    _________________________________

    Patriots will win the most games in the regular season. Then they will meet a playoff team with a good pass rush and put Brady on his assets and the Patriots will loose. Sound familiar? :-)

    Also, how many SB’s has “Bill the Genius” won since Spygate? No, we are not going to let it go and no we are not going to forget about it.

  44. ubummer says: Sep 13, 2011 2:27 PM

    All Mangini was trying to accomplish was to get the Patriots to stop getting an unfair advantage by cheating. That’s it. Nothing more, nothing less. He didn’t want it to go any further than that, and the fact it did go further is what he regrets.

  45. bleed4philly says: Sep 13, 2011 2:28 PM

    If he had a problem with it, he would’ve said something when he was in new England as an assistant when it was first going on. It’s just because it happened later on against him that he finally blew the whistle. And now he’s out of a job and he’s apologizing for ever blowing the whistle in the first place. I love the NFL, it can teach you alot of the important things in life, like reading between the lines and actions speaking louder than words. Maybe belichick will give him a tressel role for watching instant replays.

  46. materialman80 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:28 PM

    Belichick is a cheater and should be put out of the league.

  47. ijahru says: Sep 13, 2011 2:30 PM

    steviethewiz says:
    Sep 13, 2011 1:56 PM
    Once exposed the Pats and Little Bill have not been back to the big game. I wonder how much that cheating helped them? I’ll guess no one will ever know but we sure do know they have not done well in the post season post Spy Gate.

    You kinda forgot the fact they went 18-1 losing in the SB so yeah they did get back to the big game genius

  48. august1969 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:31 PM

    I can’t wait for the Patriots to win another Superbowl.

    Then there will be NOTHING for the haters to say.

  49. guadalahonky says: Sep 13, 2011 2:32 PM

    Since the league office confiscated and burned the all Patriots materials, including the six video tapes, on February 2nd, 2008…..Guess how many playoff games they’ve won?

    Go on, guess.

    Not a single one.

  50. jmikulas says: Sep 13, 2011 2:37 PM

    Awwww Poor Mangina. What a puss!

    I’m glad you called the Patriots out on what they really are……

    CHEATERS!

  51. jcjets says: Sep 13, 2011 2:37 PM

    Perhaps Belicheck should have refrained from taping the Jets signals out of respect for his former offensive coordinator?! Esp since Mangini knows he does it…

  52. holdthemayo123 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:37 PM

    steviethewiz says: Sep 13, 2011 1:56 PM

    Once exposed the Pats and Little Bill have not been back to the big game.

    Huh?? They were back in the big game like 6 months later.
    The Pats were one of the best teams in football before the scandal, they remain one of the best. Have they had less success in the playoffs? Sure, but given that that time also coincided with losing some critical pieces of their Super Bowl teams, I would say it is par for the course.

  53. homelanddefense says: Sep 13, 2011 2:38 PM

    “steviethewiz says: Sep 13, 2011 1:56 PM

    Once exposed the Pats and Little Bill have not been back to the big game. I wonder how much that cheating helped them? I’ll guess no one will ever know but we sure do know they have not done well in the post season post Spy Gate.”

    And yet again someone makes a statement about spygate while being completely ignorant on the facts. The Patriots were caught with the camera in the first half of GAME ! on their undefeated regular season. They went 16-0 AND made it to the superbowl that season. So yes, they have “made it back to teh big game”

    And they are 2-3 in the post season since they got caught. One game under .500……..same as Peyton’s playoff record.

  54. homelanddefense says: Sep 13, 2011 2:38 PM

    that should read game 1, not Game !

  55. jetsarestacked says: Sep 13, 2011 2:41 PM

    Why? That was hilarious when it happened. The best part was when the pats lost a first round pick. I hope the full video gets leaked some day.

  56. zeussuperman says: Sep 13, 2011 2:41 PM

    @habsman:

    If Roger Goodell was acting on behalf of the Jets, why would he destroy all of the tapes related to Spygate?

    That seems insanely pro-Patriots to me. Destroy the tapes, no third party investigation.

  57. ptcraddock says: Sep 13, 2011 2:42 PM

    The only thing he “regrets” is getting caught. Its disgusting how easy him, Belichick, and the Pats got off considering what they did. Eric’s comments make it clear that this is not normal league practice and they did something they knew was cheating in order to gain an edge. PATS STILL HAVE NOT WON ANYTHING SINCE SPYGATE. fact.

  58. hairpie says: Sep 13, 2011 2:42 PM

    ESPN is at fault as well as the moronic fans of this league. use common sense. what is the advantage of sending a kid to the stands to tape something in plain view of 70,000 people. something that cant be used in game, and knowing its impossible to know the other teams signals. not to mention the offense has to be set BEFORE the defense. ESPN had one adgenda, that was to start a culture of hate in sports. they used the Pats and spygate to further that adgenda and now you see it all over sports. not just chat boards, it has spilled into baseball and into the stands and parking lots. bravo ESPN! You got your web clicks!

  59. mjdkid100 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:50 PM

    I find it hilarious that people still post about the Patriots cheating. I bet you’re still the idiots who think they taped other teams practice…WHICH NEVER HAPPENED.

    They taped defensive signals during a game, that everyone could see…not much spying going on there. Should they have done it? No. Was it anywhere near the big deal the media made it out to be. ABSOLUTELY NOT. You had multiple coaches admit to the same exact thing. People steal signals and signs in every sport.

    If you think its had any effect on the Pats your really stupid. 27 other teams haven’t either. Must be because they stopped filming too.

    After “spygate”…

    2007 – 18-1 lose the SB on a lucky catch/non-hold call.

    2008 – Brady goes down for the year, Matt Cassell 11-5

    2009 – 10-6 crushed by the Ravens in the playoffs. The Pats were a good team, not a great team.

    2010 – 14-2, Jets matchup well, and beat them fair and square…

    Any reference to “spygate” over any of thos situations is absolutely ridiculous and youve outed yourself as a jealous hater…

  60. Deb says: Sep 13, 2011 2:50 PM

    That kind of taping had previously been allowed and the new rule had only recently been implemented. In fairness, Mangini probably thought Belichick would get a letter and that would be the end of it. Instead it became the most overblown story in NFL history. Is there any molehill Goodell hasn’t turned into a mountain?

  61. hairpie says: Sep 13, 2011 2:51 PM

    Mangini also convienently left out the fact the Jets were caught taping in Foxboro the game BEFORE they ratted out the Pats. In the playoffs!!! dispicable franchise.

  62. mjdkid100 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:58 PM

    By the way for you people that think Goodell is in on it because he “Destroyed the Evidence,” you’re an idiot too.

    He played multiple tapes for the media and public to see exactly what they were doing. In fact, I believe it was Herm Edwards that at one point, waived to the camera…

  63. jpak12 says: Sep 13, 2011 3:02 PM

    Really anyone with commonsense knows this was being done by every team in the NFL. The league sent a memo to all the teams before the start of the 2007 season telling the all of the teams to stop doing this.

    Do you people really think the Pats were the only team who didn’t stop?

  64. rexryanisablowhard says: Sep 13, 2011 3:03 PM

    Once a rat, always a rat.

  65. pigeonpea says: Sep 13, 2011 3:04 PM

    zeussuperman says:
    You’re right, but if the NFL is a really a family league full of role models, as they want to spin it, should one of the unspoken rules really be “Stop Snitchin’ ” ?

    If the league was truly “family friendly”, they wouldn’t allow sociopathic, animal-torturing racketeers to act as role models for millions of children upon completion of a slap-on-the-wrist sentence for their crimes.

  66. capesquad says: Sep 13, 2011 3:05 PM

    That’s an interesting prediction habsman, hope you’re right.

    I can understand how much Mangini wanted to be a head coach, his choice to interview was clearly more ambitious than loyal. But if I was Bill B. I would have been furious too.

  67. hairpie says: Sep 13, 2011 3:06 PM

    How stupid can people be? How would destroying the tapes possibly be done to protect the Pats? If anything it would exhonorate them. There were reportedly vids of many other teams doing the same thing and Goodell didnt want that can of worms opened up since he screwed up so bad the first time.

  68. holdthemayo123 says: Sep 13, 2011 3:11 PM

    I would also like to say that if this taping was the magic formula for winning Super Bowls, why not continue to do it? There are over 50,000 people at these NFL games – couldn’t they easily just plop a guy in the front row, 50 yard line, and continue with their Super Bowl winning formula?

  69. hairpie says: Sep 13, 2011 3:15 PM

    Pats winning % is 100 points HIGHER post spygate too. so, there goes that theory! LOL.

  70. ras1tafari says: Sep 13, 2011 3:20 PM

    I regret having to read a million and a half spygate comments on every Patriots article for the rest of my life.

  71. ptcraddock says: Sep 13, 2011 3:21 PM

    These Pats apologists on this board are hilarious. LOL. They taped WAY more than defensive signals during games. That accusation was a separate issue. They taped pregame walk through’s on a regular basis and the tapes were destroyed before anyone got to see the extent of their cheating. The point man on the ground promptly left football (Matt Walsh) and the fines they received were a record. Ask Senator Spector how transparent the process was from the league. Ask the Rams and the Panthers how fair the punishment was. The idea that “all teams do this” is hysterical.

    Do all teams purposely fudge their injury report every week too like the Pats do??? Of course not.

    They cheated. And it still took John Casey’s spaztic kickoff for them to beat the Panthers with the cheating.

  72. tfbuckfutter says: Sep 13, 2011 3:23 PM

    zeussuperman says: Sep 13, 2011 2:41 PM
    @habsman:
    If Roger Goodell was acting on behalf of the Jets, why would he destroy all of the tapes related to Spygate?
    That seems insanely pro-Patriots to me. Destroy the tapes, no third party investigation.

    ——————————————-

    Habsman is right. Goodell’s overzealous punishment of the Patriots, for something that was so prevalent a letter was sent to ALL teams, and then disregarded by the franchise, was an effort on his part establish himself as a strong disciplinarian, and to save some face after clearly being disrespected in his new role.

    Why then, did he destroy the tapes? Because he had made the issue so much larger than it actually was, realized this, and then realized his comment about punishing the Patriots further if the tapes showed more than what was self reported made it an even stickier situation.

    I love that Goodell gets bashed for his excessive punishments….but no one seems to draw the correlation between his behavior NOW and his behavior THEN. 2+2 guys. Come on. It’s not hard.

  73. flakazoid says: Sep 13, 2011 3:24 PM

    nowhere was it ever stated that there was evidence of other teams taping signals.

    lets see your proof.

  74. flakazoid says: Sep 13, 2011 3:25 PM

    PATRIOTS:

    3 Super Bowls illegally taping opponents signals
    0 Super bowls not taping opponents signals

    Facts are facts

  75. ballsdeep24 says: Sep 13, 2011 3:26 PM

    iflounder says: Sep 13, 2011 1:49 PM

    it also gave us this: patriots*

    ~~~

    I go with this: 18* – 1

  76. lockoftheweak says: Sep 13, 2011 3:27 PM

    All teams were taping. Then Goodall sent a letter directing all to cease taping and BB ignored it. Other teams did not. That was the extent of the infraction until the media got hold of it and (typically) made a firestorm out of it. Other coaches even came to BB’s defense but were drowned out by the %&*&^# media.

  77. ptcraddock says: Sep 13, 2011 3:31 PM

    “Patriots never cheated, Barry never juiced, Lance never doped.” – sincerely marks

  78. guadalahonky says: Sep 13, 2011 3:34 PM

    So yes, they have “made it back to teh big game”.

    ———————————————————-
    The tapes were disposed of February 2nd, 2008, the Super Bowl between the Giants and the Patriots was February 3rd.

    And their tapes of the defensive signals were taken away prior to the game.

    And they lost.

    And they were 1 and out in 2009.

    And they were 1 and out in 2010.

    SO…… No. They did NOT make it back to the BIG GAME.

  79. hairpie says: Sep 13, 2011 3:34 PM

    As a Pats fan, i also have to say one of the most rewarding things i’ve ever witnessed in my life was ESPN with their tail between their legs after they buddied up with Arlen Spector and Matt Walsh and found NOTHING. hahaha… that was absolutely amazing…. NOTHING. No more “Special Reports” either… LOL. Then the appology that came out via their ombudsman. What a humiliating experience for that disgusting company.

  80. crownofthehelmet says: Sep 13, 2011 3:34 PM

    @patpatriotagain says:

    “to the steeler/jets/miami whiners…

    get over it. you know you’d take belichick in a moment.”

    Only if his videotape collection comes with.

    @mjdkid100

    “If you think its had any effect on the Pats your really stupid. 27 other teams haven’t either. Must be because they stopped filming too.”

    If it had no benefit, then why were they taping? Let me guess, for BB’s home video collection, right next to his trip to the Grand Canyon. It’s also ironic how someone who can’t abbreviate “you are” correctly is calling other people stupid. Nice work genius.

  81. postfixer says: Sep 13, 2011 3:39 PM

    Ahhh yes, more tears from butthurt Patriots haters… Keep crying, for your tears of anger and pain sustain me.

  82. achap39 says: Sep 13, 2011 3:39 PM

    You know who else hasn’t won a Super Bowl since the Pats last did? TWENTY-SEVEN OTHER TEAMS.

  83. hairpie says: Sep 13, 2011 3:43 PM

    flakazoid says:
    Sep 13, 2011 3:24 PM
    nowhere was it ever stated that there was evidence of other teams taping signals.

    lets see your proof.

    =============================

    this is an excellent point. the whiners are so stupid they dont realize signals cant be stolen, even if taped. the reason teams taped was to be able to time defensive play calls and get the occasional illegal substitution penalty.

  84. tfbuckfutter says: Sep 13, 2011 3:48 PM

    flakazoid says: Sep 13, 2011 3:24 PM
    nowhere was it ever stated that there was evidence of other teams taping signals.

    —————————————

    Do admissions of guilt count as evidence?

    Because if so, count Jimmy Johnson in.

  85. portnoychunk says: Sep 13, 2011 3:48 PM

    Response:

    After footage from the actual tape was aired on Fox NFL Sunday on September 16, former Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson claimed, “This is exactly how I was told to do it 18 years ago by a Kansas City Chiefs scout. I tried it, but I didn’t think it helped us.” Johnson also said, “Bill Belichick was wrong because he videotaped signals after a memo was sent out to all of the teams saying not to do it. But what irritates me is hearing some reactions from players and coaches. These players don’t know what their coaches are doing. And some of the coaches have selective amnesia because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this. That’s why the memo was sent to everybody. That doesn’t make [Belichick] right, but a lot of teams are doing this.”

    ….glad many of you will “never forget” the travesty of this trivial event blown out of proportion by ESPN. I would imagine your tune would change quickly if, god forbid, anyone in the NFL spill the beans about your teams practices. Learn about something before you post about what a huge effect it had on the Pats success. They went to the Superbowl, 18-1 AFTER it happened.

  86. tunescribe says: Sep 13, 2011 3:48 PM

    Spygate was the most overrated pile of nonsense this league has ever encountered. Three things gave it legs: Mangini seeking to torpedo his team’s biggest rival, a rookie commissioner seeking to establish his “authority,” and spiteful anti-Patriots jealousy league-wide from other teams down through rival fan bases. Over-the-top overreaction from all sides. Mangini knows it and is feeling the guilt. He might start making amends by writing BB a check for $500k.

  87. ptcraddock says: Sep 13, 2011 3:50 PM

    HAIRPIE: ESPN and the NFL are GIGANTIC business partners. ESPN would go to great lengths (and has on several well documented occasions) to cover up a story to protect their league partners. There is hundreds of billions on the line. They didn’t “buddy up” with anyone except the NFL. ahahhahahaha why are small children on this message board???

  88. mjdkid100 says: Sep 13, 2011 3:51 PM

    crownofthehelmet says: Sep 13, 2011 3:34 PM

    @patpatriotagain says:

    “to the steeler/jets/miami whiners…

    get over it. you know you’d take belichick in a moment.”

    Only if his videotape collection comes with.

    @mjdkid100

    “If you think its had any effect on the Pats your really stupid. 27 other teams haven’t either. Must be because they stopped filming too.”

    If it had no benefit, then why were they taping? Let me guess, for BB’s home video collection, right next to his trip to the Grand Canyon. It’s also ironic how someone who can’t abbreviate “you are” correctly is calling other people stupid. Nice work genius.

    Hey genius why was a letter sent to every team in the league? Why did other coaches admit to doing it? I love how people ignore facts to fit their story. Clearly, I was typing quickly and don’t see a need to use correct grammar in a football blog post. I know the grammatical difference. You probably dont need to worry about that unless YOU’RE the kind of loser that corrects peoples English on comment posts.

  89. hairpie says: Sep 13, 2011 3:56 PM

    ptcraddock, you prove my point. they buddied up with the nfl and comcast/arlon spector b/c of the anti trust laws.

  90. mjdkid100 says: Sep 13, 2011 4:01 PM

    ptcraddock says: Sep 13, 2011 3:50 PM

    HAIRPIE: ESPN and the NFL are GIGANTIC business partners. ESPN would go to great lengths (and has on several well documented occasions) to cover up a story to protect their league partners. There is hundreds of billions on the line. They didn’t “buddy up” with anyone except the NFL. ahahhahahaha why are small children on this message board???

    And you think because one team was caught taping that ESPN felt the need to cover everything and risk their entire integrity because it would affect the entire league? That’s a stretch but good try…

  91. hairpie says: Sep 13, 2011 4:07 PM

    Could one of the whining haters please explain in detail the benefit of taping something in plain view? Please explain why the physical tape is cheating, but eyesite is not. I will donate 10,000 to your favorite charity.

  92. garbear25 says: Sep 13, 2011 4:07 PM

    I know all the haters are going to ignore this but what the hell, one or two reasonably intelligent people might take note.

    The Patriots were accused of stealing defensive signals, to help their offense, right?

    How productive has the Patriots offense been since “Spygate”? It’s been totally over the top in ’08, and ’10 and in ’09 Matt Cassell was taking snaps.

    The reason they haven’t won in the playoffs since is because their own defense is awful.

  93. habsman says: Sep 13, 2011 4:10 PM

    @ KIR

    Hey dude, you don’t need to let it go. It’s OK. You can keep up the copy and paste, no problem. As a matter of fact, why don’t you copy and paste the same message on every Pat’s post for the rest of the year? Thats a good challenge for you! I bet you can’t do it! Lol, this is going to be fun. I will be watching as well as other Pats fans and we will give a credit for every time you do it! Good Luck!

  94. KIR says: Sep 13, 2011 4:11 PM

    Who was the bigger from Spygate? My guess is Payton Manning

  95. izzop says: Sep 13, 2011 4:11 PM

    Cheating happens on almost every play in the NFL. That’s why there are penalties. They were caught video taping and they paid a penalty. No one else was caught, fine. Offensive holding is cheating and there is a penalty for it. Pass interference, hitting a quarterback low, Ggo down the line…everyone in this league is looking for a competitive advantage and weighing its advantage by the liklihood that they get caught.

  96. KIR says: Sep 13, 2011 4:11 PM

    Correction
    Who was the biggest loser from Spygate? My guess, Payton Manning.

  97. hairpie says: Sep 13, 2011 4:12 PM

    garbear25 says:
    Sep 13, 2011 4:07 PM
    I know all the haters are going to ignore this but what the hell, one or two reasonably intelligent people might take note.

    The Patriots were accused of stealing defensive signals, to help their offense, right?

    ============================

    they were not accused os stealing defensive signals. that is impossible. signals changes play to play as to the indicators, and no one can even see the indicator signal as it is usually given to the defense by one of the on field players. they were fined for taping from an unsanctioned area.

  98. favreforever says: Sep 13, 2011 4:12 PM

    Eric admitted to having a few regrets. But luckily the interviewers were able to go to commercial break as he launched into the remaining verses of “My Way”.

  99. bossisforboston says: Sep 13, 2011 4:16 PM

    Check your research haters :

    “On Feb. 2, 2008, the Boston Herald reported that a member of the New England Patriots [team stats]’ video staff taped the St. Louis Rams’ walkthrough on the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. While the Boston Herald based its Feb. 2, 2008, report on sources that it believed to be credible, we now know that this report was false, and that no tape of the walkthrough ever existed.

    Prior to the publication of its Feb. 2, 2008, article, the Boston Herald neither possessed nor viewed a tape of the Rams’ walkthrough before Super Bowl XXXVI, nor did we speak to anyone who had. We should not have published the allegation in the absence of firmer verification.”

  100. hairpie says: Sep 13, 2011 4:18 PM

    KIR says:
    Sep 13, 2011 4:11 PM
    Correction
    Who was the biggest loser from Spygate? My guess, Payton Manning.

    ==============================

    i disagree. its anyone that was a football fan prior b/c fans are a bunch of whining crybabies that dont bother to take the time to understand their sport now since they can just go on an anonymous message board and cry to the world.

  101. crownofthehelmet says: Sep 13, 2011 4:19 PM

    @mjdkid100

    You still haven’t answered why they were taping then if there was no benefit. And I’m not talking about oother teams. I know the coach of my team never admitted such a thing.

    Good job with your grammar this time. You got most everything right. I know those pesky punctuation marks can be very, very time consuming to type. Keep trying, you’ll get it.

  102. richm2256 says: Sep 13, 2011 4:24 PM

    ptcraddock says:
    These Pats apologists on this board are hilarious. LOL. They taped WAY more than defensive signals during games. That accusation was a separate issue. They taped pregame walk through’s on a regular basis and the tapes were destroyed before anyone got to see the extent of their cheating. The point man on the ground promptly left football (Matt Walsh) and the fines they received were a record. Ask Senator Spector how transparent the process was from the league. Ask the Rams and the Panthers how fair the punishment was. The idea that “all teams do this” is hysterical
    ———————————————————
    I have YET to have one single poster successfully answer this question:

    Show us ONE SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE that the Patriots taped even one single “walk-through” practice.

    Go on this wonderful internet, and direct us to one shred of proof.

    Can’t use Matt Walsh, because he backed down when his “proof” failed to materialize and he had to retract his accusations. Ask John Tomase and the Boston Herald about Matt Walsh.

    And what accusations are you suggesting the Panthers made????

    Proof, buddy, PROOF. You can shoot off your mouth all you want, but you need tohave PROOF to support your claims.

    Let’s see it.

    The Patriots were not accused by the league or any NFL team of taping “walk-throughs” nor were they ever punished for it.

  103. guadalahonky says: Sep 13, 2011 4:28 PM

    Check your research haters :

    “On Feb. 2, 2008, the Boston Herald reported that a member of the New England Patriots [team stats]’ video staff taped the St. Louis Rams’ walkthrough on the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. While the Boston Herald based its Feb. 2, 2008, report on sources that it believed to be credible, we now know that this report was false, and that no tape of the walkthrough ever existed.

    Prior to the publication of its Feb. 2, 2008, article, the Boston Herald neither possessed nor viewed a tape of the Rams’ walkthrough before Super Bowl XXXVI, nor did we speak to anyone who had. We should not have published the allegation in the absence of firmer verification.”

    ———————————————————-

    There was never any corroboration or evidence of the Rams walkthrough, you can’t accuse Belichick of that. End of story.

    However, in 2008, the league did burn 6 videotapes of the opposition’s defensive signals and matching documents of those signals.

    And the then Belichick offered a public apology.

    Why would Belichick apologize if he was in the right?

  104. tfbuckfutter says: Sep 13, 2011 4:31 PM

    crownofthehelmet says: Sep 13, 2011 4:19 PM
    @mjdkid100
    You still haven’t answered why they were taping then if there was no benefit. And I’m not talking about oother teams. I know the coach of my team never admitted such a thing.

    Good job with your grammar this time. You got most everything right. I know those pesky punctuation marks can be very, very time consuming to type. Keep trying, you’ll get it.

    ———————————–

    More time consuming then adding unnecessary “o”s?

  105. patriotinvasion says: Sep 13, 2011 4:33 PM

    Taping signals in plain view to 70,000 people in the stadium who can easily record, write, mimmick, draw, photograph, and see the same signals….Oh the horror! That must have won 3 Super Bowls automatically!

    The people who say the Patriots haven’t won since spygate completely discount the changes that ensued to the entire roster after 2007…a season in which they were one play from WINNING the Super Bowl…lol.

    I guess losing Bruschi, Harrison, Vrabel, Seymour, Wilson, Warren, Samuel, Seau, Colvin, and Brady for all of 2008 (to name a few) have nothing to do with wins and losses in big games…ok, got it.

  106. happybunnyj says: Sep 13, 2011 4:34 PM

    HELLO? They were CHEATING!!

    Ok, you didn’t want to be a “rat” but THEY WERE CHEATING!

    The league doesn’t slap those type of penalties for nothing.

  107. zinn22 says: Sep 13, 2011 4:36 PM

    @mjdkid100

    You still haven’t answered why they were taping then if there was no benefit. And I’m not talking about oother teams. I know the coach of my team never admitted such a thing.

    Good job with your grammar this time. You got most everything right. I know those pesky punctuation marks can be very, very time consuming to type. Keep trying, you’ll get it.

    ———————————————————-

    Jimmy Johnson answered this question as to why he taped other teams. He said when he came in the league everyone did it. He realized there was no benefit in doing it but coaches are compulsive people who want to leave no stone unturned. Essentially he implied he kept taping, because he always did it, because everyone did it, and because it was in his nature as a coach to do everything he could. Even though he realized it was worthless.

    What people fail to realize is this had been going on for 20+ years. Everyone knew to disguise their signals and it really had no benefit unless the opposing team was completely stupid. And even then the process of reading the play and communicating that to the team on the field is pretty far fetched. Just not enough time.

    It was simply something that everyone always did. Taping something that everyone could see with their own eyes or that would be allowed to be taped from a different part of the stadium legally offered no advantage to the Pats. It is juts a silly argument.

    Tampering with other players like Mangini did with Deon Branch or using illegal substitutions like Mangini did against the Colts actually provide a competitive advantage to a team. Taping did not.

    I’m a jets fan but Belicheck did nothing wrong other than ignore Goodell’s directive. This was simply a power play by Goodell and an overreaction by the Media.

  108. gisellichek says: Sep 13, 2011 4:38 PM

    I am sick of spygate… let’s just face facts … The Patriots are really good and have been for the better part of the last 10 years … if you want to say this is because they taped defensive signals rather than admit they were just better than your team … well good luck to you and your team… see ya in playoff again this season… I am dying to hear what you haters have to say if they win its all this season… Brady uses steriods or the Pats assistant coaches work for the CIA stealing game plans???? hahahaha …

  109. tdk24 says: Sep 13, 2011 4:44 PM

    “Belichick was once Mangini’s boss and friend, but the two have had a strained relationship since the Patriots were caught taping the Jets’ defensive signals in 2007. It’s a relationship that Mangini now refers to as “a work in progress.””

    Bill cheated, not Eric. Bill should hold no grudge for Eric catching him cheating. Bill is the biggest poor sport the NFL has ever seen.

  110. Henry says: Sep 13, 2011 4:56 PM

    The line in the article should read “the Patriots were caught taping the Jets’ defensive signals ‘FROM THE SIDELINES’ ” because that was the only thing they did wrong!
    Bellichick, Kraft and all Patriots fans will NEVER forgive Mangini for what he did that day. Saying this today on WEEI radio only makes things worse, imo.

  111. kqole25 says: Sep 13, 2011 5:03 PM

    Gee I wonder what would happen if Belicheck would have caught Parcels, his mentor, filming the Patriots practice when Parcels was with the Dolphins????

    Belicheck would have reported immediately!!! If anything, Belicheck put Manginni in an awkward position and should take responsibility for his actions. Man up!

  112. flakazoid says: Sep 13, 2011 5:07 PM

    Facts are facts

    3 Super Bowls illegally taping opponents signals
    0 Super bowls not taping opponents signals

  113. oriolesvsravens says: Sep 13, 2011 5:11 PM

    Ok. The Pats cheated. He brought it to the league’s attention. I tought that teams would do that to get a edge anyway. Maybe in-game and not have a guy designated to film the signals only but when you play teams in the division you’re suppose to switch things up. But whatever. Mangini should focus on his next gig and forget about it.

  114. gimmeabruschi says: Sep 13, 2011 5:16 PM

    keeponhating says: Sep 13, 2011 1:57 PM

    nep1283 says:Sep 13, 2011 1:44 PM

    ha too late for all that. just shows whoever leaves the patriots organizatiom never has success anywhere else. Pats still on top

    ———————————————————–
    yeah and that success will leave when tom brady does. bill isn’t the great football mind everybody thinks he is.

    ===============================

    Guys like a Brady, P Manning or Montana come along once in a lifetime, if that.

    It is highly unlikely BB will ever have a QB as good as Brady again. And his success will probably be lessened because of that. But he is one of the best football coaches ever, nonetheless.

  115. Deb says: Sep 13, 2011 5:16 PM

    flakazoid says:
    Sep 13, 2011 3:25 PM
    PATRIOTS:

    3 Super Bowls illegally taping opponents signals
    0 Super bowls not taping opponents signals
    Facts are facts
    ————————————————–
    All teams were involved in some aspect of taping during the Patriots’ early Super Bowls, so you can’t show a competitive advantage. And the Patriots not only made the Super Bowl after they stopped taping, they ran the table on a perfect season and barely missed winning the game. You’re stating facts but you’re not showing a causal relationship between taping and Super Bowl wins. You’re just making an assumption that can’t be proved. And I’m not a Pats fan–can’t stand them.

  116. ruggerlad says: Sep 13, 2011 5:18 PM

    Did anyone consider not cheating in the first place?

  117. pattunya says: Sep 13, 2011 5:27 PM

    YA. We are still CHEATING! We have the best quarterback in the NFL. It’s just not fair!

  118. CKL says: Sep 13, 2011 5:29 PM

    Herm Edwards knew exactly what was going on. So did Mike McCarthy. Neither one of them turned BB in to the league.Why do you suppose that is???? Why would a guy who WORKED for BB do it and not two other coaches who have 0 relationship with him?

    It makes no sense unless you have another explanation than “CHEATERS THEY WON SBS DUE TO IT.” You think if other coaches, (you know, the people who GET why BB did this, you know people who get fired when they LOSE, you know, people who are all competing with BB for Super Bowls and hardly would want to do HIM any favors…those coaches???)..anyway, if THOSE guys didn’t turn BB in to the league it’s because they KNOW the Pats don’t win SBs due to taping from an illegal location. They know the reason BB did that is related to scouting other teams more efficiently because if you have the signals on tape you can match them up to the film later. If you do it by hand, it’s more tedious.

    Why would you LET other franchises, to which you have NO personal loyalty do something against the rules if you knew it led directly or indirectly to SB wins??? You wouldn’t, not when you all are competing for the same goal. What a dumb argument that is from the haters. Thinking a head coach wouldn’t turn another head coach in if he thought another one was winning SBS due to something they were doing against the rules is like knowing a rival for a girl you both want has a communicable disease and you don’t tell her just because you would rather have your fellow rival’s back. It makes absolutely positively NO sense at all.

    BB did violate a rule and I have absolutely no problem with there being a punishment for him for that. It was hugely over the top though which is another reason all the hater types think it was so serious to the integrity of the league.

  119. semperfi24 says: Sep 13, 2011 5:35 PM

    pjack28 says:Sep 13, 2011 1:52 PM

    Patriots still cheat. That’s what they do and who they are.
    _______________________________

    This is the type of stuff that makes ABSOLUTELY ZERO sense. On one hand, everyone says that Pats havent won since Spygate, so the taping/cheating/whatever you call it was the reason they were so good. And then, you go and say, “they are still cheating”. Which is it? If they are still cheating and not winning Lombardi’s, it proves that the “cheating” had nothing to do with winning SB’s. Not to mention New England’s winning percentage post “Spygate” is significantly higher than their winning percentage pre-“Spygate”. Just saying…

  120. nyjalleffingday says: Sep 13, 2011 5:37 PM

    @Mangini

    …What exactly did you think was going to happen, you moron?

    @patpatriotagain

    No, you can keep Billy, we’d take Brady.

  121. getweird4u says: Sep 13, 2011 5:43 PM

    The “genius” came from a d-coord. background,so if he really is a genius y is their d so awful they arent winning the super bowl with that d!Tom brady threw for 500 yds,but they allowed henne to throw for over 400 bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha yeah solid d!

  122. Steeler's Will says: Sep 13, 2011 5:48 PM

    Just a bad day all around, PFT. I go from “OMG SB XL WAS FIXED!!!” to “OMG PATRIOTS ARE STILL CHEATERS!!!! LOLOLOL.”

    Nobody is going to strip any past Super Bowls or AFC Championships from the Patriots. Even if they did, do you really want them?

    They beat you. GET OVER IT. The NFL is fairly cyclical, eventually your team will have it’s day.

  123. txxxchief says: Sep 13, 2011 6:10 PM

    Belichick: Cheater

    Mangini: Alerted the league, as he should.

    Open and shut case. Filming other teams’ practices is not permitted under NFL rules.

    There is probably ample reason why Goodell imposed such a harsh penalty and then destroyed all of the evidence. I’m sure every team owner in the NFL would have demanded Belichick’s head if the true extent of the Patriots’ cheating program ever got out.

  124. txxxchief says: Sep 13, 2011 6:13 PM

    Additionally, I don’t understand how the Patriots were allowed ANY draft picks in 2008 at all.

  125. gimmeabruschi says: Sep 13, 2011 6:15 PM

    The Patriot’s Super Bowl Dynasty predated Goodell’s memo, so casting aspersions upon the legitimacy of those accomplishments is the tactic of a liar. Additionally, the league has clearly stated that no competitive advantage was gained from the practice.

    Belichick certainly was foolish to continue the practice after the memo, no matter who was or was not doing it as well. He should have been fined for the infraction and of course he was. Whether the team should have been penalized for what was clearly his violation is subject to debate at the least.

  126. nep1283 says: Sep 13, 2011 6:22 PM

    @Landsnark

    nah its not a diss on belichick. he sstill the greatest coach in the game. he got 5 rings. he shut down the 1990 bills prolly the best offense that year in the superbowl he shut down the rams in 2001. i was jus saying what ever coach decides to leave the oraganziation never has success anywhere else because belichick knows wat hes doing. thats why players take less money to play for belichick because he wins. oh yeah brady still the best qb dont care what analyst say

  127. nep1283 says: Sep 13, 2011 6:26 PM

    @keeponhating

    haha its all good homie. keep doing wat ur name is and keep hatin. belichick and brady are the best combos in league. without brady yes they went 11-5 but did they make the playoffs no. did they beat any of top five teams that year with cassesl no. brady and belichick still on top

  128. habsman says: Sep 13, 2011 7:09 PM

    @txxxchief,

    They didn’t film other teams practices. Try to keep up.

  129. j0esixpack says: Sep 13, 2011 7:16 PM

    In fairness to Mangini, he wasn’t the one who over-reacted to a practice that had been going on since the 1950s at least.

    George Halas and Lamar Hunt pioneered spying in the NFL – most fans are too stupid to realize what’s going on under their nose and Goodell decided that he wanted to make Belichick a scapegoat for a common practice… Mangini doesn’t deserve full blame for that.

    By the way – you gotta love all the haters who cite the Patriots going 16-0 post Spygate as “proof” they can’t win without cheating.

    These haters are too stupid to notice that even today, coaches continue to cover their mouths calling in plays because they know they’re being filmed by every other team out there.

  130. j0esixpack says: Sep 13, 2011 7:19 PM

    txxxchief says: Filming other teams’ practices is not permitted under NFL rules.

    You need to read the rules imbecile.

    It’s allowed. Just not from the sidelines.

    And it continues today – or do you think coaches cover their mouths when calling in plays because they like the smell of their own breath?

  131. 1historian says: Sep 13, 2011 7:21 PM

    Stealing signals has been a part of ALL pro sports since before the invention of dirt. Ever watched MLB players doing the signals thing? It’s absurd.

    Since the Patriots were caught stealing signals they have won 54 out of 68 games – 79.4%.

    Accusations that they had been stealing signals for years – any proof? None.

    If you think that the other team is stealing your signals – CHANGE YOUR SIGNALS.

    Get it?

    Anyone who believes a word of what Mangini said – stand on your hands, fart twice in the key of G and recite Inna Gadda Da Vida in Hindu

    No takers?

    I rest my case

  132. 1historian says: Sep 13, 2011 7:34 PM

    Deb – your 5:16. Thank you. It’s always nice when people who can’t stand the Pats speak up as you did.

    Thanks.

  133. getweird4u says: Sep 13, 2011 7:57 PM

    They where filming the rams pregame walkthrough in the super bowl.I don’t care about your regular season winning %,how many titles since spygate?What did the jets do to you last year in the playoff’s,at home,and balt. before that?At home again?Brady will NEVER win another title guarenteed!!!!

  134. nannymcsack says: Sep 13, 2011 10:08 PM

    hearsay fool the rams walkthrough tape either didn’t exist or was never found. belichick asked the jets to stop taping the previous year in the playoffs its clearly something thats been going on for years. ask jimmy Johnson, schottenheimer, herm edwards, even tony dungy though he wouldn’t admit to it. wasn’t always taped though they used to have kids in the stands watching practices. nobody ever says anything about stealing signals in baseball. still gotta go out there and play the game.

  135. Mr. Wright 212 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:03 PM

    Everyone knows why he’s saying this, right?

    Okay, me too.

    ***YAWN***

  136. steviethewiz says: Sep 14, 2011 8:23 AM

    Ha Ha all you cheater fans – all over us for bringing it up when you should be mad at Little Bill for you know CHEATING !!!!!!!!!

    Pats got caught and punished now you all have to live with it BOO HOO if other fans won’t just sweep it under the rug.

    We will never let you forget your team run by Little Bill CHEATED ………don’t be mad at us clowns be mad at the ones who CHEATED!!!

  137. elyasm says: Sep 14, 2011 12:13 PM

    Claiming that filming from an improper location constitutes ‘cheating’ is like holding up a giant sign that says “I is a Moron!” because it clearly demonstrates that you don’t understand a sport you follow closely.

  138. elyasm says: Sep 14, 2011 12:35 PM

    (The following has been copied and updated from a previous post in response to those that are still determined to revel in their ignorance.)

    Those of you who think that Bill Belichick invented the idea of stealing signals in football are giving far too much credit to one of the greatest coaches of all time. To quote Jimmy Johnson: “…what you need to do is just take your camera and you go and zoom in on the signal caller and that way you can sync it up. The problem is that if they’re not on the press box side you can’t do it from the press box, you have to do it from the sideline.”

    Furthermore, it was only defensive signals that were being recorded, since offensive signals have been radioed in to the QB since ’94. Since the defense only determines the play it is going to run in response to the offensive formation, and that the QB radios are deactivated 15 seconds prior to the end of the snap clock, it would be impossible for the offense to line up, the defensive coaches to signal their play and to relay that information to the QB before the radio is turned off. It is therefore impossible for the offense to know the defensive play call before the snap. Not to mention that a camera provides no advantage whatsoever over a guy with a set of binoculars on the sideline (which is legal).

    If you want to know what those tapes were used for, I can tell you; I’ve read both Patriot Reign and Education of a Coach. Both books cite Belichick’s policy of developing dossiers on opposing head coaches, coordinators and even position coaches. He and Ernie Adams develop spreadsheets that track tendencies for different situations (i.e. what does this coach do in this game situation with this down and distance?).

    This allows them to effectively reverse engineer the playcalling sheet that each coach holds on the sideline. That is why opposing players felt like he was in the huddle with them, he knew the opposing coaches play calling tendencies almost as well as the coaches themselves.

    So why videotape the signals and not just rely on the play on the field? Because the play on the field can be changed by intelligent players based on what they see on the offense. Belichick wanted to know what play the coach called, not necessarily what play was run.

    Goodell’s decision to destroy the tapes was a poor one. He was hoping to sweep what really should have been a minor scandal under the rug, and instead gave legs to a conspiracy. The punishment was an even worse decision. Rather than imposing the minor fine the crime warranted, a precedent set by Tagliabue’s handling of Shanahan skirting the salary cap to win 2 Super Bowls (now THAT’s cheating), he reacted to media pressure by imposing the largest sanctions in NFL history, further justifying the beliefs of the whole ‘cheater’ conspiracy crowd.

    What did Belichick do wrong? He filmed from an improper location. Why did he do it? To have an accurate record of the play calling tendencies of opposing coaches. Is it likely he is still doing so using other, legal, means (i.e. a guy with binoculars and a notepad)? No, now that defensive players have radios, there are no more signals in football. Was the the punishment disproportionate to the crime? You will need to decide for yourself, but the answer seems fairly obvious to me…

  139. bcgreg says: Sep 16, 2011 1:30 PM

    @ getweirdforyou

    Really? You know this as fact? Because if you do then it was you who filmed it. The guy who everyone said filmed and had the Rams walkthrough (Matt Walsh) said that he never filmed it. He said he was on the field with other league personel when the Rams were doing their walkthrough and commented to a colleague that it would have been cool if they taped it, but he never did. Walsh also said that he NEVER gave a tape to anyone until AFTER that game. Also, the reporter who started this rumor of the walkthrough tape, John Tomase, apologized for and retracted his story saying he was misinformed.

    Know your facts before you throw stuff out there instead of being one of many uninformed haters.

  140. bcgreg says: Sep 17, 2011 9:18 AM

    @ elyasm

    With you 100%, but I need to correct you on one thing. The fine levied against Belichick alone was the first time the maximum amount allowed ($500K) was levied. However, combined with the $250K the Patriots were fined, the $750K total pales in comparison to what the Broncos got fined and is far from the “largest sanctions in NFL history”. The Broncos were fined $968K and lost a 3rd round pick in ’02, and then they were fined $950K and a 3rd in ’05 for cap circumvention. The 49ers also violated the cap, and including the team and all parties involved, the fine was $1.25M. So, while Belichick may have been the highest fined individual in league history, the total fine was far less in comparison to Denver and SF.

    Also, IMO, the high fine to Belichick was to punish Belichick for ignoring the Commish not so much for the actual act. The loss of the 1st round pick was interesting too considering A) the Pats had 2 first round picks (Thanks, Goodell for saving us some cap space) and B) the punishment had a stipulation that if the Pats MISSED the playoffs in ’07 then they would lose a 2nd round pick. If they made the playoffs, they would lose a 1st. So, if they succeeded “without the cameras”, then their punishment would be worse? Why? Wouldn’t that have proved that the cameras didn’t help like the haters say?

  141. lostsok says: Sep 17, 2011 6:29 PM

    I love the Pats fans trying to play the “everyone does it” card. Bullspit! The PATRIOTS ARE CHEATERS AND GOT CAUGHT.

    See? How hard was that…

    It’s their own fault that nothing that happened between 2000 and Spygate means squat to anyone but THEM.

    As for Mangini…he was a wuss then and hes worse now. A born Patriot.

  142. j0hnny63 says: Sep 18, 2011 11:14 PM

    Are people really defending the Patriots’ cheating here? It was Mangini’s duty to report such violations just as it would’ve been anyone else’s in his position.

  143. gregjennings85 says: Sep 20, 2011 4:01 PM

    I still think Belicheat should have known better than to tape the Jets DESPITE knowing that Mangini was hip to his shady tactics.

    And, Eric, you did the right thing.

    The Patriots will forever have an asterisk next to their championships, and deservedly so.

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