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Fan uses taser as violence breaks out at Cowboys-Jets game

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After fan violence marred a preseason game between the Raiders and 49ers, the NFL insisted that it was taking stadium security seriously. But in the stadium that should have had the strongest security presence of any on Sunday — the New York Jets’ home game on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 — an ugly fight broke out in the stands, with one fan using a taser.

A 59-year-old man named Leroy McKelvey, who was wearing a Cowboys jersey at the Jets game, was charged with three counts of aggravated assault and two weapons counts for using the taser, which is illegal in New Jersey.

Deadspin has video of the incident, and a couple fans can be heard asking a very good question: “How did he get in there with that thing? On 9/11? How the f–k did that happen?”

MetLife Stadium CEO Mark Lamping said fans were patted down and had their bags checked as they entered the stadium, as usual.

“Procedures for pat downs established by the NFL and used at every game were in effect at all entry gates,” Lamping said.

But pat downs and bag checks apparently aren’t effective enough to catch a fan bringing an illegal weapon into the stadium.

Jets coach Rex Ryan had an unfortunate choice of words in the days leading up to the game, warning fans that “it’s probably not recommended” they wear Cowboys gear to the stadium. Ryan later said he didn’t intend to suggest that Jets fans should beat up Cowboys fans in the stands. This fight involved Cowboys fans and Jets fans, but it apparently was motivated by a disagreement that broke out during the national anthem.

“A Marine at the end of the row noticed that McKelvey and three others in his party would not stand or take their hats off for the national anthem,” a law enforcement officer told the Cliffview Pilot. “So the Marine tells McKelvey he better not have to get out of the row ’cause he won’t let him out.”

And then at halftime, when McKelvey did try to get out of the row, that’s when the fight broke out.

Whatever the circumstances of this fight, fan violence in NFL stadiums is clearly a serious problem. The league says it’s doing everything it can to keep fans safe in stadiums. The league needs to do more.

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  1. waxthat says: Sep 13, 2011 10:56 AM

    Knuckleheads…this is why i prefer to sit on my couch and watch the games.

  2. tatum064 says: Sep 13, 2011 10:57 AM

    So, a Marine “notices” that someone wouldnt take their hat off for the national anthem, what the hell right does he have to say or do anything. Just be insulted and watch the game. I dont care if it’s 9/11 or Hiroshima…..Someone was looking for a fight, if you ask me. – good for the “taser” guy. Sounds like some more Homeland Security B.S.

  3. notrelated says: Sep 13, 2011 10:59 AM

    So in this free country we live in, with free speech etc people are put on the cross for not removing a hat or standing for the National Anthem. Land of hypocrisy. What else is new.

  4. proBirdie says: Sep 13, 2011 10:59 AM

    And if this was in Philly, we’d be hearing about Santa Claus.

  5. chizzle20 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:00 AM

    The pat down they do at the gates is a joke, a complete waste of time. You can take anything into any stadium if you hide it anywhere below your waist.

    On another note I’m suprised he made it that long after not standing up for the anthem.

  6. frankrizzo51 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:00 AM

    Society devolving, one step at a time.

  7. hystoracle says: Sep 13, 2011 11:00 AM

    Doesn’t help that they get all liquored up before and during the game. You ever have a conversation with a guy who was physically at the game but sounds like he watched a completely different one because he was bombed out of his mind.

  8. benh999 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:01 AM

    “…fan violence in NFL stadiums is clearly a serious problem.”

    I think you mean entertaining problem.

  9. dallassux says: Sep 13, 2011 11:01 AM

    Well lookie here. Another disgraceful display of fan behavior NOT in Philly. They are sure adding up. Stay classy banwagon cowboy fans.

  10. impeachgoodell says: Sep 13, 2011 11:02 AM

    Even though this article isnt about Rex Ryan, the following sentence caught my eye
    “Jets coach Rex Ryan had an unfortunate choice of words in the days leading up to the game, warning fans that “it’s probably not recommended” they wear Cowboys gear to the stadium”

    You can never cure stupidity

  11. medtxpack says: Sep 13, 2011 11:02 AM

    “A Marine at the end of the row noticed that McKelvey and three others in his party would not stand or take their hats off for the national anthem,” a law enforcement officer told the Cliffview Pilot. “So the Marine tells McKelvey he better not have to get out of the row ’cause he won’t let him out.”

    Id oblige out of strict respect for the single Marine. what a silly cowgirl…

  12. bayoubauer says: Sep 13, 2011 11:02 AM

    You stay classy, Dallas.

    And Rex is a buffoon.

  13. vegas2phx says: Sep 13, 2011 11:03 AM

    The NFL and local police should put police officers and other NFL security personnel in the stands wearing the road team’s jersey. (especially in Oakland) Maybe that would make people think before they start sh*t!

  14. jcupo6 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:03 AM

    And Philly fans are the worst…

  15. invaiduh says: Sep 13, 2011 11:03 AM

    damn bay area fans…. oh wait.

  16. giablommi says: Sep 13, 2011 11:03 AM

    Typical Jets “fans”, the ultimate wannabe franchise.

    Wannabe be better than the Patriots on the field (good luck with that, try reaching a Super Bowl one of these years) and wannabe more drunk/white trash/violent than Eagles fans (making great strides but adding all those corporate martini-sipping “fans” was a major setback).

  17. billygoat says: Sep 13, 2011 11:05 AM

    The guy should be arrested for not standing during our anthem.

  18. cakemixa says: Sep 13, 2011 11:05 AM

    Drunk idiots such as those involved in this story, combined with the ridiculously high cost to attend a game, are the reason why smart people watch from home…

  19. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Sep 13, 2011 11:05 AM

    The Cowboys fan gets jumped so he defends himself and he is the bad guy?

  20. r8rsfan says: Sep 13, 2011 11:06 AM

    Well, sounds to me like the guy had a good beating coming to him. Refusing to stand for the national anthem in NYC, on 9/11, wearing a cowboys jersey – the guy was begging for it.

  21. eatlessveggies says: Sep 13, 2011 11:06 AM

    I’m not justifiying McKelvey for bringing a stun gun, but the marine should have minded their own business.

  22. yem123 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:09 AM

    If by “fans were patted down and had their bags checked as they entered the stadium, as usual” he means that fans walked right in, then yes. I got the old eye test and passed it.

    To actually check the pockets of 80,000+ fans would mean lines taking hours and hours, with fights breaking out IN them!

    It’s a football game not an airport.

  23. kingofthechumps says: Sep 13, 2011 11:11 AM

    I’d expect this at a Chargers game.

  24. andyreidisfat says: Sep 13, 2011 11:11 AM

    I’ll say it, because no one else will….. The “marine” in this case is the problem. Instead of being so worried about what someone else is doing perhaps he should just enjoy the game and during the anthem think about what’s important, clearly the guy down the row is not.

    As far as the fight itself perhaps it’s time to let go of the fake media meme that philly has the worst fans . Clearly Philly at this point isn’t even in the top 20 in bad crowds. Then again they did throw snowballs at a drunken Santa 40. Years ago, which is clearly worse than tasers and fights and people being killed.

  25. yem123 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:11 AM

    “So, a Marine “notices” that someone wouldnt take their hat off for the national anthem, what the hell right does he have to say or do anything. Just be insulted and watch the game. I dont care if it’s 9/11 or Hiroshima…..Someone was looking for a fight, if you ask me. – good for the “taser” guy. Sounds like some more Homeland Security B.S.”

    He’s a goddamn marine who put his life on the line so you can make these idiotic comments…. THAT’s what right he has to do something.

    Also, if you really think he has no right to say something there, then following that logic you have no right to say something here.

  26. 6the6ringedsteelerslolatyouremptylittletrophycase7 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:11 AM

    LOLZ!

  27. hystoracle says: Sep 13, 2011 11:12 AM

    Don’t taze me Bro! Note: State of New Jersey doesn’t believe in personal protection. Got it. Explains why the state is always being compared to a garbage dump.

  28. thereisalwaysnextyear says: Sep 13, 2011 11:13 AM

    Metal detectors. Only solution. That could have just as easily been a grenade and not a taser.

  29. dbellina says: Sep 13, 2011 11:16 AM

    Great, now we’re gonna have the TSA at football games.

  30. Patskrieg dot com says: Sep 13, 2011 11:18 AM

    Cowboys jersey at a Jets home game…

    Not standing for the national anthem on 9/11…

    Can we agree that this guy did just about everything short of shoot a spitball at Bart Scott to try and get his ass kicked?

  31. panther17 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:18 AM

    “A Marine at the end of the row noticed that McKelvey and three others in his party would not stand or take their hats off for the national anthem,” a law enforcement officer told the Cliffview Pilot. “So the Marine tells McKelvey he better not have to get out of the row ’cause he won’t let him out.”

    _____________________________________

    The Marine should be ashamed of himself. The US prides itself on individual’s rights, regardless of whether or not you agree with the person’s beliefs or views. This is what separates the US from terrorist and terrorist backing countries. Marines put their lives in danger and harms way every day to protect this and freedom.

    At first glance it looks like he was standing up for his country but dig a little deeper and the act was a disservice for what he is supposed to stand for.

    Might not be popular opinion but just my thoughts.

  32. charlesbroccoli says: Sep 13, 2011 11:19 AM

    i was at the skins game sunday and wathched a brawl between giants and skins fans that went on way too long before staff broke it up. kids and women were getting caught up in it. one guy got slammed down a flight of concrete steps. on anniversary of 9/11 it’s just disgraceful that people can turn so quickly turn so ugly.

  33. panther17 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:21 AM

    yem123 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:11 AM

    Also, if you really think he has no right to say something there, then following that logic you have no right to say something here.

    _____________________________________

    There is a difference between saying something and taking actions against someone because you don’t agree with their beliefs or views. The Marine had every right to make a statement with words, not threats and following through with them.

  34. flyinhighwithvick says: Sep 13, 2011 11:24 AM

    Took you long enough to post this story.

    If this idiot can’t have enough class to stand and take his hat off to honor the country he lives freely in, he deserves to get his tail kicked.

    Tatum064, I’d love 5 good minutes with you, piece of garbage.

  35. jetsarestacked says: Sep 13, 2011 11:24 AM

    Not defending the marine but there is a lot of emotion in this area when it comes to 9/11 for obvious reasons. I don’t care what your background is, you should be respectful of how many people were impacted by those events, especially when you’re in nyc/north jersey.

    With that said, those guys asked to get tased. Oh, and that man is a degenerate for bringing a taser to game. I mean, a former president was in attendance!

  36. sirmixalotalotalot says: Sep 13, 2011 11:24 AM

    left out I can’t believe I am defending a Cowboys fan.

  37. polishkingski says: Sep 13, 2011 11:25 AM

    @yem123….so because he decided to become a marine he has the right to tell someone else what to do? wtf does that mean? look, i would have choosen to stand up for the anthem but i have no right to tell somebody else too do it. i fxxking hate “love it or leave it types”

  38. KIR says: Sep 13, 2011 11:25 AM

    I read where the guy who wouldn’t stand was a Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    They don’t celebrate holidays the National Anthem ect.. because of their religion. Has nothing to do with 911. The Marine was out of line. Who is he not to let someone by because you disagree with them? And yes, I’m a military veteran.

  39. iminurheadz says: Sep 13, 2011 11:26 AM

    Good shoot!

  40. tundey says: Sep 13, 2011 11:26 AM

    I think it’s sad when a marine gets into a fight because a man would not take his hat off for that national anthem. He, the marine, should be better than that. Just tell him to take it off and leave it there. Freedom cuts both ways. Just like flag burning, freedom means you are free to not take your hat off for the anthem. Sure it’s incredibly rude but it’s your right.

  41. kingjoe1 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:27 AM

    good for the cowboy fan. If we all had tasers, maybe douche bags like this marine would shut the F up.

  42. packerhater says: Sep 13, 2011 11:28 AM

    These “stay classy” posts are really getting old.Ditto with the “cue in 3..2..1.

  43. kosarsmyidol says: Sep 13, 2011 11:28 AM

    dbellina says: Sep 13, 2011 11:16 AM

    “Great, now we’re gonna have the TSA at football games.”

    Who would’ve thought that pat-downs would have more of a future in the game than Pat White?

  44. nunpuncher says: Sep 13, 2011 11:29 AM

    Seems like Leroy McKelvey intended on not standing for the National Anthem on September 11th before he even walked into the stadium. Coincidence, that the guy that didn’t want to stand also had a tazer? I think not. All Leroy McKelvey to do was stand for 2 minutes. Both the the marine and Leroy McKelvey are in the wrong. But in my honest opinion LeroyMcKelvey was there to make a statement on the worst day to make one.

  45. wlubake says: Sep 13, 2011 11:29 AM

    Surprised to see where the comments went on this. I did not expect to see a bunch of commenters sticking up for the fan who didn’t remove his hat and didn’t stand for the national anthem.

    I applaud the marine (though it is not clear that he was clearly identifiable as a marine at the time) for calling this guy out. However, he should have left it at a shaming and not let things elevate to a physical confrontation.

  46. cowboyjesc says: Sep 13, 2011 11:29 AM

    Thatt dude will never forget the 10th anniversery of 9/11 , i bet that !!!!!!

  47. omegaichiban says: Sep 13, 2011 11:29 AM

    As a Marine/citizen, I have every right to say anything I want. I have no right to keep another citizen from walking by me @ a football game. The
    Marine was wrong. Freedom of speech, watch what you say.

  48. ghost072 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:30 AM

    “He’s a goddamn marine who put his life on the line so you can make these idiotic comments…. THAT’s what right he has to do something.

    Also, if you really think he has no right to say something there, then following that logic you have no right to say something here.”

    Yes, he has a right to say something, but he doesn’t have a right to try and prevent McKelvey from exiting the row at half time or any other time. Sounds like McKelvey and his friends were thoughtless jerks, but that doesn’t mean the “Marine” has the right to instigate violence on them.

  49. KIR says: Sep 13, 2011 11:31 AM

    Also, the guy was wrong to bring a Taser and should be charged. However, if you don’t let a man by to go to the washroom you’re looking for a fight and that’s what happened. The Marine should also be charged with disorderly conduct or something. Patriotism does not give you a pass to act ignorant!

  50. bennyd720 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:31 AM

    Remove the alcohol and it’ll remove most fights…ignorant drunks is why I quit going to games

  51. rogue1972 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:32 AM

    Good Post, Yem123. I completely agree. People can complain that this guy has the right of freedom of speech and expression, and he certainly does. Our service men and women have provided that freedom to us; however, when you exercise that right, there are sometimes consequences and you better be willing to pay them. Not everyone is going to like what you say and do, so when you make a statement like not standing for the National Anthem you had better be willing to withstand the backlash.

  52. ezcheese says: Sep 13, 2011 11:33 AM

    yem123 says:
    Sep 13, 2011 11:11 AM

    He’s a goddamn marine who put his life on the line so you can make these idiotic comments…. THAT’s what right he has to do something.

    Also, if you really think he has no right to say something there, then following that logic you have no right to say something here.
    ———–
    I’m a Marine, I enlisted September 18, 2001. You’re correct that the Marine in this case had every right to voice his dissatisfaction. What he did not have the right to do was to make it physical by blocking the cowboy fan. Both these guys were wrong in their actions.

    Secondly, you nor I are the judge of who has the right to (post) say what they want.

  53. ydj1120 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:34 AM

    That Marine was well within his right to say something to the Cowboys fan.

    All you people are talking about the Cowboys fan’s First Amendment, but forget about the Marine’s First Amendment rights…you know, the ones that he puts his life on the line for?

    No where in this story does it say who started the fight…i.e., identify who was in the wrong. So the Cowboys fan disrespects himself and the country (although within his rights — you have the right to be an idiot), and the Marine disrespects the Cowboy fan. No one knows what was said at halftime to spark the fight. How can you say that the Cowboy fan didn’t bull his way past the Marine while taunting everyone in the row because the Cowboys were winning at that point?

    Regardless…I think everyone can agree that even though the security dropped the ball, that fan should not have even attempted to bring a Taser into the stadium.

  54. KIR says: Sep 13, 2011 11:34 AM

    The guy who wouldn’t stand is a Jehovah’s Witnesses they don’t celebrate holidays, The National Anthem ect.. The guy wanted to get by to use the washroom and the Marine wouldn’t let him by. The Marine was out of line.

  55. asublimeday says: Sep 13, 2011 11:36 AM

    Also, if you really think he has no right to say something there, then following that logic you have no right to say something here.
    ———-
    He has a right to say something, not commit violent acts.

  56. kingjoe1 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:37 AM

    rogue1972 -wow so what you are saying, if you cant physical defend your opinion you should keep it to yourself.

    That is beyond absurd.

  57. asublimeday says: Sep 13, 2011 11:38 AM

    And as far as free speech goes, PFT posts maybe 40 percent of comments. This site is mindless censorship at it’s finest.

    I’d be surprised if they post this.

  58. howmnyplayoffwinsugot says: Sep 13, 2011 11:38 AM

    Ny scum starts fight, Dallas coward uses taser… This is news?

  59. bobnelsonjr says: Sep 13, 2011 11:38 AM

    So you have some old commie/hippie that won’t stand during the national anthem or take his hat off.

    The old hippie in the Cowboys jersey is obviously the cause of trouble and disrespecting all the fans in that section.

    America – Love it or Leave!

  60. stillerborn says: Sep 13, 2011 11:40 AM

    Taz this guy…6the6ringedsteelerslolatyouremptylittletrophycase7.

  61. hatesycophants says: Sep 13, 2011 11:43 AM

    Marines don’t provide freedoms, we are willing to fight to preserve them, just like millions of other servicemen and women over the past 2 centuries. And, we don’t ask for, expect or deserve any greater latitude in civilian life than any other Amercan. The very foundation of the USMC is discipline. If this story is as it has been portrayed (by a very poor writer, so anything could be true) then this Marine is totally in the wrong. And he knows it.

    Semper Fidelis.

    Go Lions! Go Badgers!

  62. thefoodrapist says: Sep 13, 2011 11:44 AM

    Don’t tase me, bro!

  63. drbob117 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:46 AM

    McKelvey sounds like an ignorant slob, but the Marine was wrong. He had no right to say anything to the guy, or block his access to the rest of the stadium. The Marine started the fight. The other guy has the right to be an unpatriotic creep, and while that make me quietly seethe if I’m in the seat next to him, I can’t harass him. I know that NJ doesn’t let people protect themselves.. Giants WR Steve Smith got robbed outside his NJ house, where was law enforcement then? The guy should ask for a jury trial, a judge will just be the DAs lackey and rule against the guy.

  64. panthers34 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:48 AM

    The marine didnt try to make his point with an illegal weapon, get off his back. The game was on 9/11 and near New York, did the guy expect no one to notice him not standing?

  65. Nevis says: Sep 13, 2011 11:49 AM

    I love how our lives have been negatively impacted by increased security, raised prices because of that security, etc…all in the name of “Homeland Security”, when all such policies and protocols existed on 9/11…people just didn’t do their job, just like in this case.

    Stay smart, America.

  66. tgifinley88 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:50 AM

    any time there is a video or story posted about a fight in the stands at an nfl game, why do philly fans feel the need to point out that it didn’t happen in philly? you guys still take the cake as the biggest dopes in the league.

  67. bigal1952 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:52 AM

    There are Christians (I’m one of them) who won’t pledge allegiance to the United States of America. No disrespect intended, but our allegiance is first and foremost to the kingdom of God (thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth – future) and that precludes us from taking an oath or pledge to any country. There are no countries that are currently submitting to the standards of God, including the most egregious example, the United States, which uses His name, but whose “heart is far from Me”. And that “word” has been communicated from Him to His prophets and to the Body of Christ.

  68. ballistictrajectory says: Sep 13, 2011 11:53 AM

    That “Marine” should have known better. He swore an oath to protect anyone’s freedom to sit through the anthem, wear the flag as a garment, and many other unsavory options that people sometimes choose. It’s not his call.

    I’ve been tempted more than a few time to make the same type of comment at local sports events, but then I recall all of the sacrifices made by our citizens to allow us to speak freely on any topic. If someone chooses to be disrespectful, then they have that right. I don’t need to like it.

  69. ravens26 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:54 AM

    Let’s see…9/11 , Cowboys Jersey and pissing on a marine who allows you to live free. Then bringing a taser to a football game. Sounds like the guy had motives of his own.

    I don’t know about the rest of the you, but sounds like McKelvey got what he deserved.

  70. bellc275 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:54 AM

    Been on the road to 5 Jet games and have watched countless fans have no problems at Jet home games

    It is a simple formula – be respectful of the home teams fans, introduce yourself to your imediate neighbors and wish thier team good luck, cheer but not to the point of getting in anyones face, stand and take your hat off for the playing of the national anthem especially on 9/11.

    What the Marine did is not right but I certainly can unterstand it

  71. rogue1972 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:58 AM

    kingjoe1 – No, that is NOT what I’m saying. I’m saying that you if you believe in something enough to make a statement you better be prepared for the consequences. In a perfect world, the consequences shouldn’t ever be a physical confrontation, but you and I both know this isn’t a perfect world. In the end, if you make a inflammatory statement publicly, you better be prepared for backlash or consequences. That’s all I’m saying.

  72. texline1 says: Sep 13, 2011 12:01 PM

    As a veteran I am appalled at the actions of the marine. He and I both served to protect and ensure that fans right to not stand during the national anthem, just as we served to protect your right to comment on it. I would be surprised if the marine isn’t punished under military law. His job is to protect the rights of others, not decide which rights they should have. Patriotism is all well and good, but lets not forget what freedom of expression is and why we have it. This is The United States of America, where citizens have the right, and even the obligation of free speech. Anything less, and we may as well be living in Iran.

  73. richm2256 says: Sep 13, 2011 12:01 PM

    That Marine puts his a$$ on the line for this country, and you morons support a dooshbag who refuses to take his hat off in NYC on Sept. 11th and taser’s the Marine???

    On September 11th in New York ??????

    What the hell is wrong with you people?

    I normally don’t condone violence, but I am surprised all those Jets fans didn’t beat the ever-loving crap out of this dirtbag for both refusing to take off his hat, and especially for Tasing a U.S. Marine.

  74. thephantomstranger says: Sep 13, 2011 12:03 PM

    KIR says:
    Sep 13, 2011 11:25 AM
    I read where the guy who wouldn’t stand was a Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    They don’t celebrate holidays the National Anthem ect.. because of their religion. Has nothing to do with 911. The Marine was out of line. Who is he not to let someone by because you disagree with them? And yes, I’m a military veteran.
    _______________

    What kind of religion tells you to disrespect your country? Even if that is true, the least he can do is stand up. People aren’t going to notice if he doesn’t remove his hat or put his hand on his heart or sing along. By not standing, he was deliberately disrespecting his own country. He sat during the national anthem, wore a Cowboys jersey, and brought a taser. He was obviously looking to get into an altercation. We don’t have all the facts here, so my guess is the Marine may not have started this incident.

  75. pftequalsgreatjournalism says: Sep 13, 2011 12:03 PM

    Way to go Jarhead!

  76. CJ says: Sep 13, 2011 12:04 PM

    I see a few comments on here defending the guy for not standing because he’s a Jehovah’s Witness ad its against his beliefs to do so.

    That’s fine and all, but I’m pretty sure Jehovah’s Witnesses aren’t not supposed to be tasing people, either.

  77. tampajoey says: Sep 13, 2011 12:07 PM

    And the NFL wonders why people choose to stay at home or go to a sports bar to watch the games instead of attending them.

    I don’t really want to spend $500 to be crammed into a stadium like a bunch of sardines when half the other sardines act like morons.

  78. jessieboom says: Sep 13, 2011 12:08 PM

    When DOESNT Rex have an unfortunate choice of words?

  79. buttercheck says: Sep 13, 2011 12:09 PM

    KIR, thank you for your service.

  80. conseannery says: Sep 13, 2011 12:09 PM

    I haven’t stood for the anthem in years – I don’t believe in what it stands for. With that being said, I understand that people at some point may take exception and express their displeasure at me. That’s their right, just as it is mine to sit in silence.

    What’s not their right, however, is to impede my physical progress, attempt to restrain me or otherwise use physical force against me. This Marine is acting like quite the ignorant hypocrite and clearly needs a thorough review of the Constitution which he is sworn to uphold.

  81. twitter:Chapman_Jamie says: Sep 13, 2011 12:11 PM

    @ richm2256

    I am pretty sure the guy didn’t make it known he was a Marine and that it has come out since. Even so, you do not have the right to dictate the beliefs of others in this country. If someone doesn’t want to stand for the national anthem, they don’t have to.

  82. tom35mt says: Sep 13, 2011 12:12 PM

    Jets fans are the biggest piece of trash in the NFL

  83. dallassux says: Sep 13, 2011 12:13 PM

    tgifinley88 says:
    Sep 13, 2011 11:50 AM
    any time there is a video or story posted about a fight in the stands at an nfl game, why do philly fans feel the need to point out that it didn’t happen in philly? you guys still take the cake as the biggest dopes in the league.

    ———————————————————————————–
    Cause dopes like you dont let it rest. I think you answered your own question. Give it a rest.

  84. jakek2 says: Sep 13, 2011 12:16 PM

    If people just minded their own business and cheered for their teams, there would be none of this.

  85. fanfair says: Sep 13, 2011 12:21 PM

    I would have tazed that dude, too. Who in the heck wants to fight a jarhead in a straight up fight? No one with common sense. lol

  86. bobnelsonjr says: Sep 13, 2011 12:21 PM

    McKelvey brought a taser to the game and initiated the confrontation.

    He could have gone out the row the other way.

  87. greymares says: Sep 13, 2011 12:22 PM

    3 yrs. from now when this story is being re-itterated both the fan and the marine will be philly fans and may have even taken place in Philadelphia.

  88. buttercheck says: Sep 13, 2011 12:22 PM

    @phantomstranger. Jehovah’s witnesses put no institution or object above God. To do so would be pagan, in their eyes. To do so would put their soul in jeopardy. Lake of fire, stuff like that. Lake of fire burns burns burns. Sitting during the nat anthem doesnt cause physical or financial harm to anyone.

  89. selldannysell says: Sep 13, 2011 12:24 PM

    Don’t worry, folks. The NFL will do something about the escalating fan violence as soon as someone dies on stadium property.

  90. rockymtnphinfan says: Sep 13, 2011 12:25 PM

    It’s a catch 22…………….that marine went into the military to defend the other guy’s right to not stand if he so decides. Strange but true.

    Would we want to live in a society that could, as a whole, tell you when to sit down and when to stand up and when to do what they want you to do? I am sure no one wants to live like that. Thats called a dictatorship (Saddam Hussein ring a bell?).
    What’s it called? Irony i think it is.

  91. byrds71 says: Sep 13, 2011 12:26 PM

    By not standing for the National Anthem of the Country you are a citizen of, is disrespecting this country, and all of those who died fighting for your freedom. Religious freedom has nothing to do with it, why would you attend a sporting event knowing that the National Anthem would be played, and not show respect for your country? Stop with excuses for folks who would not put their life on the line for their country and fellow citizens as I have and all other citizen volunteers who served their country. If it is religious custom, does his church sponsor carrying a taser, and attending a game of violence?

  92. wrm1230 says: Sep 13, 2011 12:27 PM

    This isn’t a Marine issue nor a vigilante issue. This is an alcohol issue. I’m taking a wild guess that at least one of the combatants in these inane brawls has consumed as least one ounce of alcohol before settling in to act like a moron during an NFL game. The ONLY solution to end this madness is to ban alcohol from stadiums and parking lots and to require breathalyzer analysis for every entrant over the age of 21. Absolute sobriety at these games would severely reduce the asinine behavior of these knuckle-draggers. And for those that pound their chest and claim that they themselves can handle a few beers at a game and shouldn’t be penalized for the riff-raff that can’t…you’re in the minority.

    Want to know when absolute sobriety will be prevelent at sporting events? Try NEVER. Too much money to be made and no matter what the talking heads will tell you, this collateral damage is not enough to even bat an eye towards. That my friends is reality.

  93. vikefan says: Sep 13, 2011 12:27 PM

    this is truly a darn shame, if you stop and take a look at the order of events here, the FIRST wrong doing IS a fan entering the stadium with a taser!!.., not a marine getting upset over some ignorant fool not standing & taking cap off!! The man should have been arrested for the weapon in the first place, that said, i wish he would not have had the weapon and let the marine take care of business the old fashioned way!! yes the marine should have minded his own business & let it go, lets put all of u up in the same shoes…..part time/full time marine…been to afghan, pakistan, iraq kuwait, japan, china, cuba, who knows really….problem with this country is all bout “me” nowdays, ppl have a right but some have fought for that right and given everything for that right, marine has every right to take it personally, and truth be told, for some completely out of touch moron to not stand and pull cap during national anthem on anniversary of 9/11, the marine did right in my book and rest of stadium section should have been kicking his a$$ too for simple lack of respect. PERIOD!!!

  94. steelers1fanatic says: Sep 13, 2011 12:29 PM

    I don’t condone violence but I would have helped him beat the heck out of the 3 that disrespected the flag that I fought for.

  95. majorseahawk says: Sep 13, 2011 12:35 PM

    He deserved it. If you’re going to show that kind of disrespect then you better be prepared to start a fight, cause its coming.

  96. pftequalsgreatjournalism says: Sep 13, 2011 12:36 PM

    stillerborn says:Sep 13, 2011 11:40 AM

    Taz this guy…6the6ringedsteelerslolatyouremptylittletrophycase7.

    ————————–

    Twice…

  97. favreforever says: Sep 13, 2011 12:39 PM

    LeRoy McKelvey had an ominous looking bulge under his Cowboy jersey, but did not appear to be of Middle Eastern descent.

  98. joesphkerr says: Sep 13, 2011 12:39 PM

    The only positive I see out of this is that he brought a taser and not a handgun.

  99. giablommi says: Sep 13, 2011 12:42 PM

    “I normally don’t condone violence, but I am surprised all those Jets fans didn’t beat the ever-loving crap out of this dirtbag for both refusing to take off his hat, and especially for Tasing a U.S. Marine.”
    ^^^^^
    Sorry richm but nothing screams “thought police” and descent into fascism like this type of kneejerk, herd/cowboy mentality of “beating the crap” out of whoever we disagree with or don’t like. Pretty un-American, when you really think about it.

    A man showing restraint in a situation like this shows a lot more character than someone is is drunk and looking for a throwdown.

  100. S says: Sep 13, 2011 12:43 PM

    It may be classless to sit during the national anthem, in New York, on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 but Marines are putting their lives on the line every day for the right of Americans to be classless where ever and when ever they want… It’s called being free.

  101. 4evrnyt says: Sep 13, 2011 12:43 PM

    Seems like pat downs and security inspections are about as useful as carpool lanes. All they do is slow everyone else down and clearly don’t achieve their intended results in the long run anyway.

    Anyone’s guess how much longer before we’re all taking our shoes off and walking through metal detectors just to get into a sporting event.

  102. jimyritz says: Sep 13, 2011 12:43 PM

    Ryan is an ass..maybe he should just keep some extra donuts on hand so he doesn’t say stupid ass stuff…

    Should the Marine have been pissed yup…but should have just left it at that…

    No chance I am taking my kids to a game…

  103. fat4jc says: Sep 13, 2011 12:46 PM

    it smells like liberals up in here.

  104. vikefan says: Sep 13, 2011 12:47 PM

    There are Christians (I’m one of them) who won’t pledge allegiance to the United States of America. No disrespect intended, but our allegiance is first and foremost to the kingdom of God (thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth – future) and that precludes us from taking an oath or pledge to any country. There are no countries that are currently submitting to the standards of God, including the most egregious example, the United States, which uses His name, but whose “heart is far from Me”. And that “word” has been communicated from Him to His prophets and to the Body of Christ
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    so if ur a christian, what does “once nation under God” mean to you in our pledge of allegiance?

    u quoted “thy kingdom come, they will be done”, sorry but thats the Lords Prayer, better check up on your christian beliefs & values b4 u use them in the wrong sense again.

    the purpose of our pledge of allegiance is to unify & become “one” country under the symbol of our flag and clearly states “under God” with the meaning being God will always be greater than our country, thus we are “under” him.

    i think you need to recheck the meaing & understanding of our pledge of allegiance b4 ignoring or defaming it, maybe you were brought up never taught it or knowing it, either way, you miss the point completely and your arguement is ignorance.

  105. bucinokc says: Sep 13, 2011 12:49 PM

    Listen here you Liberal idiots, this guy disrepected his own nations national anthem. He might have the right to say what he wants but when you disrepect the nation that gives you those rights, you should have none. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you folks. If you don’t like it, get out of my country.

  106. panther17 says: Sep 13, 2011 12:50 PM

    thephantomstranger says: Sep 13, 2011 12:03 PM

    What kind of religion tells you to disrespect your country? Even if that is true, the least he can do is stand up. People aren’t going to notice if he doesn’t remove his hat or put his hand on his heart or sing along. By not standing, he was deliberately disrespecting his own country. He sat during the national anthem, wore a Cowboys jersey, and brought a taser. He was obviously looking to get into an altercation. We don’t have all the facts here, so my guess is the Marine may not have started this incident.

    ____________________________________

    The Flag, National Anthem, and Pledge of Allegiance is considered idolatry and flag worship to JW, which one could argue standing for the flag with your hat off and hand over your heart pledging your allegiance to the flag is flag worship. Idolatry is a sin in a Christian bible. JW believe one’s allegiance and worship is for God only. Verses to back the stance:

    Exodus 20:3-6

    New International Version (NIV)

    3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.

    4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

    Galatians 5:19-21

    New International Version (NIV)

    19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God

    Standing up out of respect without taking hat off or putting hand over your heart would be a personal choice. Some Witnesses would see nothing wrong with it while others would feel it touches to closely to idol worship.

  107. 4evrnyt says: Sep 13, 2011 12:50 PM

    I love all you rednecks NASCAR fans that are too stupid to realize how hypocritical it is to get angry at someone who exercises their right not to stand or honor the flag. You simpletons automatically assume that if someone doesn’t honor the flag that means they dishonor the people of the armed forces.

    Maybe I dont honor the flag because I dont honor the government it stands for. Maybe I respect the sacrifices made by those of the armed forces and chose to show it in another way. But just because I dont get all teary eyed when the national anthem gets played and probably choose to not stand or take off my hat has NO connection doesn’t mean I have anything against anyone in the armed forces but you f’n idiots all just assume that not honoring the flag means you hate america.

  108. dmacirish says: Sep 13, 2011 12:53 PM

    Semper Fi

  109. quirtevans says: Sep 13, 2011 12:54 PM

    It’s a matter of respect. When the national anthem is played, you show respect.

    And, when someone wants to get out of the row, you allow them out, because that’s respect, too.

    The Marine was well within his rights to say something to a knucklehead who wouldn’t stand during the national anthem.

    However, when he wouldn’t let him out of the row, the Marine crossed a line.

    And then the knucklehead crossed another, much bigger line … the proportional response line.

    Since Tasers are illegal in Jersey, I wonder if he’ll do as much time as Plaxico did.

  110. ntr0py says: Sep 13, 2011 12:54 PM

    The guys with the Taser are obviously idiots.

    So is the Marine.

    SUPPOSEDLY he’s fighting to preserve basic American freedoms like freedom of speech. Then he’s treated to a football game and threatens (and apparently actually uses) violence against somebody for exercising those freedoms.

    He is a disgrace to the corps.

    You don’t have a right to bring a Taser to a football game, but you do have a right to defend yourself (even if you are a jerk).

  111. seabreezes51 says: Sep 13, 2011 12:55 PM

    In Philly the guy woulda had that Tazer stuffed in a place that would keep him dancin all the way to the parkin lot…… just sayin..

  112. dan39564 says: Sep 13, 2011 12:57 PM

    It is obvious to me that the refuseniks, were Liberal Democrats, and the Marine is a Republican!

    And it was all Bush’s fault!

  113. ntr0py says: Sep 13, 2011 12:59 PM

    “I don’t condone violence but I would have helped him beat the heck out of the 3 that disrespected the flag that I fought for.”

    If you fought for the FLAG and not the FREEDOMS it represents… if you would use VIOLENCE against AMERICANS for exercising their Constitutionally guaranteed rights… then you, sir, are UNAMERICAN. I don’t care how many tours you served.

  114. tiffpats4eva says: Sep 13, 2011 1:00 PM

    I am not surprised that a Dallas fan doesn’t stand for the National Anthem. Some Texans don’t really love America that much.

    Look at their governor.

    Still, doesn’t give you the right to confront him.

  115. favreforever says: Sep 13, 2011 1:02 PM

    Unfortunate thing is that the 5’9″ McKelvey actually was standing. He just has really short legs.

  116. traevin says: Sep 13, 2011 1:05 PM

    Reading through these comments, it’s abundantly clear that some of you people have no idea what read freedom is anymore. You “think” you know but sadly, you haven’t got a clue.

  117. jeffw says: Sep 13, 2011 1:08 PM

    Two separate issues:
    1. The Marine probably should have been more controlled and not instigating a confrontation. Wrong time and place.

    2. The DB that brought an illegal weapon into the stadium needs to be charged with that. Whether he was justified in using it or not is not the issue. The fact that he had it in the first place is the problem. Remember Plaxico Burress?

  118. ikickgypsies says: Sep 13, 2011 1:08 PM

    The majority of comments on here have it exactly right: you can dislike someone’s constitutionally guaranteed freedom of expression all you like, but you can’t act on that dislike by getting in front of them and denying them passage.

    Most here, aside from a handful of internet tough guys, understand that, and judging by the comments here it’s the service members and veterans who understand it best of all because it’s the service members and veterans who are defending the guy’s freedom of even objectionable expression and condemning the Marine’s actions most eloquently of all.

  119. selldannysell says: Sep 13, 2011 1:08 PM

    joesphkerr says:
    Sep 13, 2011 12:39 PM
    The only positive I see out of this is that he brought a taser and not a handgun.

    ————————————————-

    Give it time. We’re DEFINITELY headed in that direction.

  120. fastspecv says: Sep 13, 2011 1:10 PM

    lol at some of the comments on here. Yeah, the fan traveled from South Carolina to go to NY to try and get into a fight at the game. Some of the comments are just amazing! The Marine was in the wrong. You paid as much money to be there as the other guy but because your sitting at the end of the row doesn’t make you some sorta row leader and tell everyone what to do, and what they cannot do. And just because he was a Marine doesn’t mean he saw action. A buddy of mine would ALWAYS throw it in people’s faces that he was in the Air Force and how he was a veteran when all he did was sit in a hospital at a desk in NJ on base. The soldiers that I have met who have seen combat are usually the last ones trying to rub it in your face

  121. h0c2000 says: Sep 13, 2011 1:11 PM

    Rex should have the Marine over for a f’n snack.

  122. 1historian says: Sep 13, 2011 1:13 PM

    I’m retired now but in November of 2001 I was still working as a union laborer and the hall sent me out on a job. When I got there I saw a drawing on the window of a guy’s pickup. It was a drawing of the Statue of Liberty. In one hand she held the flame, with the other she was giving the finger, and the caption read: “We’re coming, motherf…ers!!”

    Leroy – if you can read – this is for you: Freedom of speech does NOT include the right to yell “FIRE!!” in a crowded movie theater.”

    Get it?

    However we must concede that Leroy was there to make a statement, and this is it: “I, Leroy am dumber than three buckets of s..t. And proud of it.”

  123. th56 says: Sep 13, 2011 1:15 PM

    “I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it”

    I don’t care if you are a Marine or a regular citizen, you have no right to impede someone else’s rights as long as they are not breaking the law. A Marine of all people should know better and he is not representative of the Marine Corp or the values they teach.

  124. joetoronto says: Sep 13, 2011 1:18 PM

    WTF is he doing with a taser at a football game?

    He was looking for trouble and he found it.

  125. pftequalsgreatjournalism says: Sep 13, 2011 1:19 PM

    vikefan says:Sep 13, 2011 12:27 PM

    the marine did right in my book and rest of stadium section should have been kicking his a$$ too for simple lack of respect. PERIOD!!!

    ———————————-

    Yeah, that’s a great idea…

    Marines, like all members of our military, are trained – and supposed – to uphold the tenets of democracy and not to enforce traditions…

    I am guessing that after my 21 years in the Marine Corps, I have a little bit better handle on what the “right” thing is for a Marine…

    Finally, “Then it’s a good thing, ViQueen Fan, that your book doesn’t mean oogatz to me!”

    - Feech La Manna

  126. marcsasharc says: Sep 13, 2011 1:19 PM

    yem123 says:
    Sep 13, 2011 11:11 AM
    “So, a Marine “notices” that someone wouldnt take their hat off for the national anthem, what the hell right does he have to say or do anything. Just be insulted and watch the game. I dont care if it’s 9/11 or Hiroshima…..Someone was looking for a fight, if you ask me. – good for the “taser” guy. Sounds like some more Homeland Security B.S.”

    He’s a goddamn marine who put his life on the line so you can make these idiotic comments…. THAT’s what right he has to do something.

    Also, if you really think he has no right to say something there, then following that logic you have no right to say something here.

    ————————————————–

    seems that your logic isnt logical at all. and if it is, please explain because no intelligent human being can see your perceived logic.

    marines dont have anymore rights than you or I. it doesnt matter what they did for us. we can respect there risk, respect their service, but we will not take a backseat to their opinions and actions.

    another IQ under 80? ya probably.

  127. jpmelon says: Sep 13, 2011 1:22 PM

    Guy wears Dallas clothes to New Meadowlands Stadium, carries in a taser, refuses to stand during the national anthem, probably told a US Marine to F**k off…all on the 10th anniversary of Sept. 11th….and he wasn’t looking to start trouble?

    Also, to all the losers on this thread complaining about alcohol…..alcohol is amazing! Try it sometime. I have been drunk countless times at sporting events and I have never been arrested or involved in a fist fight because of it. Maybe this happened because the Dallas fan was being a turd.

  128. marcsasharc says: Sep 13, 2011 1:23 PM

    vikefan says:
    Sep 13, 2011 12:27 PM
    this is truly a darn shame, if you stop and take a look at the order of events here, the FIRST wrong doing IS a fan entering the stadium with a taser!!.., not a marine getting upset over some ignorant fool not standing & taking cap off!! The man should have been arrested for the weapon in the first place, that said, i wish he would not have had the weapon and let the marine take care of business the old fashioned way!! yes the marine should have minded his own business & let it go, lets put all of u up in the same shoes…..part time/full time marine…been to afghan, pakistan, iraq kuwait, japan, china, cuba, who knows really….problem with this country is all bout “me” nowdays, ppl have a right but some have fought for that right and given everything for that right, marine has every right to take it personally, and truth be told, for some completely out of touch moron to not stand and pull cap during national anthem on anniversary of 9/11, the marine did right in my book and rest of stadium section should have been kicking his a$$ too for simple lack of respect. PERIOD!!!

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    another IQ south of 80.

  129. mdpickles says: Sep 13, 2011 1:33 PM

    U S A! U S A! U S A!

  130. sophiethegreatdane says: Sep 13, 2011 1:36 PM

    Believing and fighting for freedom of speech and expression doesn’t mean much if everyone has to agree on everything.

    It’s easy to defend “freedom of speech” when the person speaking is saying something you agree with. It gets hard — and much more meaningful — when you defend someone’s right to say something that you would spend a lifetime working against.

    These two morons who were sitting during the anthem? Well, they were being disrespectful and immature, and showing a lack of sensitivity for the day and their location.

    But that Marine should know that the freedom he was fighting for includes their freedom to do things he doesn’t like.

    Putting your life on the line to defend this wonderful country is a very honorable and noble thing, and I am grateful for all that our military does (including those in my family). However, military service does not include the entitlement to be right in every situation where you are offended.

  131. mightyleemoon says: Sep 13, 2011 1:37 PM

    steelers1fanatic, you didn’t fight for a flag. You fought for freedom…including the freedom to stay seated during the National Anthem. Many of you do not want US Citizens to have the freedom to stand or sit as they please. That is far more disrespectful to our nation than not standing during the National Anthem. Sadly, the concept of Freedom is utterly lost on a large percentage of our population.

  132. castleanthrax says: Sep 13, 2011 1:47 PM

    Took a few to think about this one as I am all for national pride, my sons understand taking a hat off and paying respect for the flag is the appropriate thing to do. I served and fought myself and tend to get agitated by types like the Cowboys fan.

    Then one day it became apparent to me, these types have the right to do so, due to the blood that has been spilled by our forefathers and fellow brothers and sisters.

    Basically what I am saying is I don’t agree with the Boys fan for sitting during the anthem, but he isn’t worth the words to address and just look the other way.

    The Marine should know better and should have stood above this and been a professional. Just because you don’t agree with the fat ass for sitting on said ass during the anthem, don’t bother wasting your time saying anything.

    We have fought to give these individuals the right to do this very thing.

    Sorry for the ramble fellow football fans, had to say something.

  133. rgoltsch says: Sep 13, 2011 1:47 PM

    If this battle did start as a result of the aisle being blocked, last I checked, most every row at the stadium has two ends to exit…….The man should have simply gone the other way and avoided the fight.

  134. buttercheck says: Sep 13, 2011 1:48 PM

    I smell beer summit!

  135. feldman9000 says: Sep 13, 2011 1:52 PM

    See the problem was the marine was from South Carolina. I thought the marine was a Cowboys fan from what I read? All makes sense if so.

    South Carolina, HELL OF A STATE

  136. thephantomstranger says: Sep 13, 2011 1:54 PM

    buttercheck says:
    Sep 13, 2011 12:22 PM
    @phantomstranger. Jehovah’s witnesses put no institution or object above God. To do so would be pagan, in their eyes. To do so would put their soul in jeopardy. Lake of fire, stuff like that. Lake of fire burns burns burns. Sitting during the nat anthem doesnt cause physical or financial harm to anyone.
    ______________

    I don’t put any institution or object above God either, but I love my country and I stand during the national anthem. There’s no inconsistency there. If a Jehovah’s Witness stands while going to the bathroom, is he putting the urinal above God?

  137. maddog111 says: Sep 13, 2011 1:57 PM

    wrm1230 says:
    Sep 13, 2011 12:27 PM
    This isn’t a Marine issue nor a vigilante issue. This is an alcohol issue. I’m taking a wild guess that at least one of the combatants in these inane brawls has consumed as least one ounce of alcohol before settling in to act like a moron during an NFL game. The ONLY solution to end this madness is to ban alcohol from stadiums and parking lots and to require breathalyzer analysis for every entrant over the age of 21. Absolute sobriety at these games would severely reduce the asinine behavior of these knuckle-draggers. And for those that pound their chest and claim that they themselves can handle a few beers at a game and shouldn’t be penalized for the riff-raff that can’t…you’re in the minority.

    Want to know when absolute sobriety will be prevelent at sporting events? Try NEVER. Too much money to be made and no matter what the talking heads will tell you, this collateral damage is not enough to even bat an eye towards. That my friends is reality.
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    Dude, you need to go out and have a beer.

  138. artisan3m says: Sep 13, 2011 1:57 PM

    If this had happened in Cowboy Stadium, the governor would be pinning a medal on McKelvey. Heck, Ricky advocates for college students to pack heat in the classroom. A taser would be a mere powder puff in comparison. This doesn’t say much for Texas mentality but it speaks volumes on how totally inadequate most of our security measures are.

  139. numberonesteelersfan says: Sep 13, 2011 2:06 PM

    its crazy how someone could get away with this on 9/11

  140. kevinfromphilly says: Sep 13, 2011 2:10 PM

    joesphkerr says:
    Sep 13, 2011 12:39 PM
    The only positive I see out of this is that he brought a taser and not a handgun.

    Not even Plax is THAT stupid.

  141. m2karateman says: Sep 13, 2011 2:24 PM

    Ummmm….hey tough guy Marine; just remember that, like it or not, you fought for that mans right to NOT stand for the National Anthem. Do I agree with his actions? No, not in the least. However, it gives you nor anyone else any right to deny him his rights, like it or not. Defending a persons freedoms, even what you don’t agree with, is the hallmark of a US Soldier.

  142. toolkien says: Sep 13, 2011 2:27 PM

    It makes the head spin.

    So, on 9/11, the 10 year anniversary of the day some Middle Eastern people p.o.’ed because we’ve got troops in their country divert some planes into buildings, which brings about a huge increase in personal pat downs, which obviously didn’t work in this case, a trooper picks a fight with a guy for not giving the proper reverance, in his estimation, and the other guy defends himself from attack with a taser, which is illegal to have for people to protect themselves above and beyond the extra pat down that was supposed to detect it.

    A man needed to protect himself form a guy who supposedly has dedicated himself to protecting people, for which he expects the proper behaviors, in his judgement, for that protection, or else….

    It’s a crazy world people.

    I can’t wait for the bottom to fall out on the various Ponzi schemes we’re Forced into, and the REAL fun and games begins… this episode will be brotherly love compared to the fight over the shrinking resources and production and wealth we’ve got coming down the pike.

  143. bucfandango says: Sep 13, 2011 2:33 PM

    I’m also a former Marine, and I see this more as a lack of respect by the fan that would not Stand for the ceremonies as all fans were asked to do in all stadiums. The guy was looking for a fight when he did this. When the Marine asked or told him to fall in as everyone else was, the guy should have shown him a little respect and got with the program. Sure it’s a free country, but freedom isn’t free and Marines protect that very right. This Marine may have just returned from extensive combat operations, and honestly guys, it can be very hard to “turn it off”. We should respect all of our young soldiers now, knowing that combat can have the most extreme effects on returning soldier’s thinking and behavior. I would suggest not judging someone until you have walked in his shoes, and I can’t judge the Cowboy’s fan because I have never not honored my country and all of our fallen heroes. I would only add that the guy with the taser was very lucky that there were not other Marines in close proximity, because we brothers stick together and protect each other at all times, and it never wears off or goes away. Once a Marine, always a Marine. I apologize to the young Marine for not being there to guard his back and lend him guidance.

    Semper Fi

  144. bigal1952 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:33 PM

    Vikesfan posted-
    “so if ur a christian, what does “once nation under God” mean to you in our pledge of allegiance? ”

    I wrote that we use His name but that His response was that our hearts are far from Him. It’s actually an insult to use someone’s name and then do the opposite of what they stand for. We pay lipservice to Him. We honor Him with our lips, but we don’t honor Him with obedience to His moral laws. And that’s exactly what the Lord has conveyed in a recent Word of prophecy, part of which follows.

    “Instead of being a beacon of light as Israel was to be, you became a policing nation, set about in many nations to oppress and to guard your standard as right while causing many other nations to come under your heel of rule and of a standard I never raised. You do so in my name but my name is not in you…..”

  145. houseofspears90 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:37 PM

    conseannery says:
    Sep 13, 2011 12:09 PM
    I haven’t stood for the anthem in years – I don’t believe in what it stands for. With that being said, I understand that people at some point may take exception and express their displeasure at me. That’s their right, just as it is mine to sit in silence.

    What’s not their right, however, is to impede my physical progress, attempt to restrain me or otherwise use physical force against me. This Marine is acting like quite the ignorant hypocrite and clearly needs a thorough review of the Constitution which he is sworn to uphold.

    At 99% of the games i totally agree with you. People have the freedom and choice to do whatever they, or their religion, wants. But I personally find it at least disrespectful to the victims of 9/11 to not at least stand and honor them. That is not showing allegiance to the flag, or honoring the country over God. To be in the city of the attacks, on the 1oth anniversary and to sit and be disrespectufl to the honor of the victims as at least a deusche thing to do. The Marine didn’t have the right to start a fight so they are both wrong, but the guy started it but at least not standing to honor the victims.

    Also, I have many JW friend’s and when i go to their family functions and they begin to pray to Jehovah I still bow my head and am respectful, doesn’t mean I switched religions or am shaming my religious background. Respect is lost on today’s world.

  146. finsfrontofficeisajoke says: Sep 13, 2011 2:39 PM

    This is America, land of the free, as long as you agree with me.

    If you don’t agree with me, then I have the right to completely disregard your freedom.

    No surprise that a Marine doesn’t know how to act outside of the military environment.

  147. fatsack1 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:41 PM

    sounds like a marine that feels as if everyone should operate and conduct themselves from “his” perspective……..

  148. gobills716 says: Sep 13, 2011 2:48 PM

    Lets not forget the Marine was being a complete a$$hole. If someone isn’t standing or taking off their hat, just let it go…if it was a Jets fan doing the same thing nothing would have happened.

  149. cowboysblowgoats says: Sep 13, 2011 3:12 PM

    Next thing you know these cowboy fans will be throwing snow balls at Santa Claus.

    Then they will have really hit rock bottom.

  150. rolandsloan says: Sep 13, 2011 3:37 PM

    This was the 10th anniversary of 9/11. People are more emotional than normal to begin with…..
    Even if your not particularly patriotic, it’s common
    courtesy to stand and remove your hat, as much
    to be respectful to your fellow citizens as anything
    else. The Marine went overboard. But I understand his frustration completely.
    People who don’t remove their hats are usually
    lazy and ignorant of the meaning of the National
    Anthem and the flag. Don’t give them credit for being “deep” enough for their actions to be thought out or rationally motivated. They have
    no respect for anything or anyone. All about them.

  151. zn0rseman says: Sep 13, 2011 3:44 PM

    Frankly, this “marine” should be in the brig for picking on an old man trying to enjoy a football game. Does he pick fights against every Jets fan that doesn’t stand and salute the flag? Of course not… he was just picking on a Cowboys fan because he could.

    Also, why the heck are tazers illegal in New York? They are non-lethal self defense tools. The old man was probably lucky to have one… because not much outside of a gun or tazer is going to stop a marine hell-bent on hurting an old man like that.

    Is there anything that is legal in New York that an old man could protect himself with? It doesn’t sound like it.

  152. maddog111 says: Sep 13, 2011 3:50 PM

    finsfrontofficeisajoke says:
    Sep 13, 2011 2:39 PM
    This is America, land of the free, as long as you agree with me.

    If you don’t agree with me, then I have the right to completely disregard your freedom.

    No surprise that a Marine doesn’t know how to act outside of the military environment.
    ———————————————–
    So you start your post with the “look how enlightened I am” first two paragraphs, then finish it with a dig at all Marines in the last.

    What a tool you must be.

  153. tombradysponytail says: Sep 13, 2011 4:02 PM

    Can’t we all just get along?

  154. packerhater says: Sep 13, 2011 4:18 PM

    tom35mt says: Sep 13, 2011 12:12 PM

    Jets fans are the biggest piece of trash in the NFL

    No that would be Packer fans.

  155. packmanfan says: Sep 13, 2011 4:34 PM

    I wouldn’t have stood up if I was there and if I had a taser and needed to defend myself I would have used it too.
    Don’t blame the Cowboys fan one bit.

  156. khuxford says: Sep 13, 2011 4:35 PM

    I love how this is being blown into having anything to do with fan allegiances. The marine didn’t have a problem with him until he refused to stand for the pledge. It is his right to ask the guy to stand and remove his hat. His right ends before the actual blocking of the aisle, though: he overreached the moment he actually threatened the gentleman over the issue.

    Also, for those saying there are two ways out of a row: that’s not always the case. I’ve been in several NJ stadiums where there was a concrete or metal bar divider placed for no particular reason in what would, otherwise, be an undivided row. The gentleman may have had no other choice or he may have been standing up for his right to take that path out. The fact that the marine said “you better not have to leave your seat” or whatever seems to imply that the only way out was past him.

    Tasers may be illegal, but I feel it is a bit silly to suggest the guy with the non-lethal weapon was in the wrong first for carrying it. No one knew he had it, so it didn’t play a part in how we got to the point where he felt the need to use it. Honestly, we don’t even know that he was the one who brought it in, just that it wound up in his possession at the time of the frackas. Doesn’t necessarily make it better if he accepted someone handing it to him before he walked out of the aisle, though, but it would mean that he didn’t start the day by being the first to do wrong here and was, instead, intimidated into a mistake.

    He has a right not to stand. I’ve not stood at times, based on being muslim. But I can’t remember the last time I didn’t stand. My interpretation is currently that God knows what is in my heart. When I go to cookouts hosted by friends and they pray before eating, I’ll still bow my head with full knowledge that someone will likely say “in Jesus’ name”, despite Islam’s feelings that such statements associate partners/equals of a prophet with God. I’ll stand for the Pledge, despite knowing that this country will claim to run itself by the Word of God when I know it doesn’t, because I know I’m standing up out of respect for what our nation strives to be and not as a replacement or competition for God in my head or heart.

    Yet I still respect anyone’s decision to respectfully abstain from the Pledge, whether for religious or philosophical reasons. As should anyone who knows a single thing about the ideals this country was founded on.

    I’d like to imagine that, if either gentleman saw the other in danger of their life outside the stadium, they would have reached out to help them, both out of love of God and country. It’s just a shame that emotions get the better of us at times.

  157. packmanfan says: Sep 13, 2011 4:37 PM

    I will stand for national anthems and respect the flag when this country starts to respect it’s own citizens as well as all other countries around the world.
    Not going to wars with them would be a good start.

  158. bengalfanbybirth says: Sep 13, 2011 5:00 PM

    I read these comments all the time but i have never posted, never had something inportant enough to say. But I think it is important to get one thing clear on this post. He was not one of Jehovah’s Witness’s I say this because if you google the mug shot you will see a big scragly beard. Witness’s do not wear beards. Seems to me that 1 of 2 things happened.

    1. it was assumed since Witnesses’s do not stand for the national anthem

    2.Someone said that of him to defend why he didnt stand.

    Just notice the next time you see one, they dont have beards

  159. thephantomstranger says: Sep 13, 2011 5:21 PM

    Hey packmanfan -

    You may not like some of the things this country does, but if you don’t respect it, you’re welcome to leave. I’m completely opposed to everything the current president stands for, but I still love my country and will stand to honor those who died for it.

  160. stakex says: Sep 13, 2011 5:54 PM

    Kinda ironic that a Marine who signed up to defend freedom and democracy ended up acting like a dictator when a fellow citizen exersized his freedom to not stand from the NA. What an idiot…. he seserved to be tased, and should have been arrested as well.

    With that said, its kinda scary a fan was able to bring a weapon into the game. It might have only been a taser, but what if it was a gun?

  161. axespray says: Sep 13, 2011 5:54 PM

    proBirdie says:Sep 13, 2011 10:59 AM
    “And if this was in Philly, we’d be hearing about Santa Claus.”

    Or that time when Eagle fans decided to trash up Packer fan’s vehicles during the game so they could avoid a confrontation… freaking cowards.

  162. granadafan says: Sep 13, 2011 5:57 PM

    Recall the big PFT topic before the season where there was a big debate whether guns should be allowed in Lambeau because Green Bay allows concealed sidearms, and they own the stadium. This is yet another reason why any weapon let alone guns should NOT allowed in stadiums.

    The extremists in the NRA are absolutely wrong in this case. Guns simply do not belong in sporting events or any event where emotions run high and liquor is involved.

  163. tatum064 says: Sep 13, 2011 6:00 PM

    mightyleemoon says:
    Sep 13, 2011 1:37 PM
    steelers1fanatic, you didn’t fight for a flag. You fought for freedom…including the freedom to stay seated during the National Anthem. Many of you do not want US Citizens to have the freedom to stand or sit as they please. That is far more disrespectful to our nation than not standing during the National Anthem. Sadly, the concept of Freedom is utterly lost on a large percentage of our population.

    “No, it’s “disrespectful” to INVADE other countries without evidence of WMD….it’s disrespectful to give banker bailouts…. they have the freedom to stand or sit..and the concept of Freedom is lost when people ENFORCE their own conception of it to others. Did anyone consider that them not standing was a protest against the countries policies? The whole point is to show an anger to your countries policies, and in no way direspects it. Dissent is “Patriotism.”

    A lot of people would be speaking British English if there wasnt “dissent” Many people forget we were once a colony of England

  164. patsinpa says: Sep 13, 2011 6:02 PM

    America:the home of the free because of the brave!

  165. eaglesblow says: Sep 13, 2011 8:20 PM

    Bottom line is the marine had the right to say whatever he wanted, but the second he tried to keep somebody from leaving is the precise moment that he deserved to be stomped to a bloody pulp. He’s lucky he just got tazed. He’s a disgrace to the armed services and if he is an active member he should be dishonorably discharged because he’s the kind of guy that give our soldiers a bad name overseas.

  166. dd393 says: Sep 13, 2011 8:22 PM

    The Cowboys secondary could have used the taser.

  167. eaglesblow says: Sep 13, 2011 8:26 PM

    I’m also a former Marine, and I see this more as a lack of respect by the fan that would not Stand for the ceremonies as all fans were asked to do in all stadiums. The guy was looking for a fight when he did this. When the Marine asked or told him to fall in as everyone else was, the guy should have shown him a little respect and got with the program. Sure it’s a free country, but freedom isn’t free and Marines protect that very right.

    ==============

    So basically you’re saying that the guy has the freedom to do what some flunky jarhead tells him to do or he will rightfully suffer a red white and blue beatdown? I DON’T THINK SO. You are both fascists that don’t understand the concept of “freedom” and should be ashamed of yourselves for tarnishing MY flag and MY country with your stupidity.

  168. eaglesblow says: Sep 13, 2011 8:28 PM

    To be in the city of the attacks, on the 1oth anniversary and to sit and be disrespectufl to the honor of the victims as at least a deusche thing to do.

    =============

    They were in New Jersey you fricking moron.

  169. ajknox88 says: Sep 13, 2011 9:09 PM

    Out of respect for someone that fought for the country and got you the freedom you guys enjoy you should stand the ef up. You don’t like this country go live in Canada, or Mexico. All you people downing the previous posts because you think you live in a free country so you can go do what you want don’t know anything about those young men that have risked their lives to make sure you live the way you do. You should be embarrased to side with that guy w/ the taser.

  170. salukis92 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:32 PM

    Let’s take the Cowboys vs Jets fan argument out of the discussion for a moment. I cannot believe the people on this blog giving thumbs up on the comments saying the Marine was in the wrong, what about the dude’s 1st Amendment rights not to stand during the National Anthem. WTF people?!?! I am a former Marine infantry officer, with multiple combat tours. What about my 1st Amendment rights to bring it to someone’s attention at a sporting event that it IS the proper civic responsibility to stand AND take your headgear off during the Anthem. And why wouldn’t anyone be willing to do this??? Especially on the 10th Anniversary of 9/11 AND in NYC??? Absolutely un-f”ing” believable. Nothing pisses me off more than zombies at a game brain dead during our Anthem. And like most of my fellow Marines we WILL point you out for being in the wrong. You think we spent all the time away from family in the desert living like a f”ing pig in a hole, no showers for months at a time, no sleep, to come back to you Aholes that think it is an issue of freedom of speech not to get up off your fat a*^ for 2 minutes before a game. That is exactly why I am so pessimistic about why any of us should put our lives on the line. Its’ getting so bad at games now anyway you can’t even take a kid to a game because of the nimrods now.

  171. th56 says: Sep 13, 2011 11:43 PM

    @ajknox88
    “You should be embarrased to side with that guy w/ the taser.”

    Nobody’s siding with the guy with the taser, the are siding for freedom, sorry you don’t understand that concept.

  172. pdxbolt says: Sep 14, 2011 12:48 AM

    Of course Eye of the Tiger was playing at the stadium during this fight.

  173. pftequalsgreatjournalism says: Sep 14, 2011 2:01 AM

    bucfandango says:Sep 13, 2011 2:33 PM

    I’m also a former Marine, and I see this more as a lack of respect by the fan that would not Stand for the ceremonies as all fans were asked to do in all stadiums. The guy was looking for a fight when he did this. When the Marine asked or told him to fall in as everyone else was, the guy should have shown him a little respect and got with the program. Sure it’s a free country, but freedom isn’t free and Marines protect that very right. This Marine may have just returned from extensive combat operations, and honestly guys, it can be very hard to “turn it off”. We should respect all of our young soldiers now, knowing that combat can have the most extreme effects on returning soldier’s thinking and behavior. I would suggest not judging someone until you have walked in his shoes, and I can’t judge the Cowboy’s fan because I have never not honored my country and all of our fallen heroes. I would only add that the guy with the taser was very lucky that there were not other Marines in close proximity, because we brothers stick together and protect each other at all times, and it never wears off or goes away. Once a Marine, always a Marine. I apologize to the young Marine for not being there to guard his back and lend him guidance.

    Semper Fi

    —————————————-

    Blah, blah, blah

    The Jarhead was wrong under any circumstance but you have done an excellent job of trying to rationalize his behavior…

    You must have gone to PI – on the female side…

  174. waynefontes says: Sep 14, 2011 7:36 AM

    I was thinking “What kind of ——- would go to a game with a taser?” But then I realized…

    1) It’s a Cowboys fan
    2) It’s in New York

    Then it all made sense.

    This guy sounds like a major league jerk. But it’s within his rights to be one.

    Marines give their lives to protect the opinions that are unpopular. THAT’S freedom of speech.

    By the way, nice job security.

  175. ajknox88 says: Sep 14, 2011 9:59 AM

    United States Code, 36 U.S.C. § 301, states that during a rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart; Members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present and not in uniform may render the military salute; men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; and when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed. Military law requires all vehicles on the installation to stop when the song is played and all individuals outside to stand at attention and face the direction of the music and either salute, in uniform, or place the right hand over the heart, if out of uniform. Recently enacted law in 2008 allows military veterans to salute out of uniform, as well.[16][17]

    However, this statutory suggestion does not have any penalty associated with violations. 36 U.S.C. § 301 This behavioral requirement for the national anthem is subject to the same First Amendment controversies that surround the Pledge of Allegiance.[18] For example, Jehovah’s Witnesses are not required to stand for or sing the national anthem

  176. vikefan says: Sep 14, 2011 1:53 PM

    this is truly a darn shame, if you stop and take a look at the order of events here, the FIRST wrong doing IS a fan entering the stadium with a taser!!.., not a marine getting upset over some ignorant fool not standing & taking cap off!! The man should have been arrested for the weapon in the first place, that said, i wish he would not have had the weapon and let the marine take care of business the old fashioned way!! yes the marine should have minded his own business & let it go, lets put all of u up in the same shoes…..part time/full time marine…been to afghan, pakistan, iraq kuwait, japan, china, cuba, who knows really….problem with this country is all bout “me” nowdays, ppl have a right but some have fought for that right and given everything for that right, marine has every right to take it personally, and truth be told, for some completely out of touch moron to not stand and pull cap during national anthem on anniversary of 9/11, the marine did right in my book and rest of stadium section should have been kicking his a$$ too for simple lack of respect. PERIOD!!!

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    another IQ south of 80.
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    only true ignorance, stupidity, & lack of respect for country, history, & the price that citizens of our country have paid for our freedom would respond in such a way

  177. khuxford says: Sep 14, 2011 2:10 PM

    salukis92, it is people who won’t stand up or remove their cap for the Pledge that make it so you don’t feel like you can take a kid to the game anymore?

    Why? Don’t have anyone that lives close enough to the stadium to pick the kid up in a pinch when you get arrested for assaulting someone practicing their right to not stand for the Pledge?

  178. bucfandango says: Sep 14, 2011 3:18 PM

    eaglesblow says:
    Sep 13, 2011 8:26 PM

    So basically you’re saying that the guy has the freedom to do what some flunky jarhead tells him to do or he will rightfully suffer a red white and blue beatdown? I DON’T THINK SO. You are both fascists that don’t understand the concept of “freedom” and should be ashamed of yourselves for tarnishing MY flag and MY country with your stupidity.
    ————————————————–
    You really have no clue about the real world, and the White on YOUR flag(as you call it) belongs to you, but EVERY stitch of RED belongs to the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines.

  179. rarson says: Sep 14, 2011 6:35 PM

    I hate standing up during the anthem. The song sucks and most people butcher it badly. It’s a waste of time and I have no idea what sporting events have to do with nationalism (yes I do, sports fans + national anthem = mindless emotional responses). There’s absolutely no law in the country, nor should there be, requiring anyone to stand during the anthem, and just because someone doesn’t like it, that doesn’t give them the right to infringe upon someone else’s.

    By the way, I’m a military veteran, so if you’re going to give me grief about how ungrateful I am, you can go shove it.

  180. jetsfan2737 says: Sep 14, 2011 8:34 PM

    If the Cowboys fan was warned not to pass due to his total lack of respect for the anthemn, 9/11, and the entire country, all he had to do was exit the row the opposite way. Seems to me he instigated the confrontation.

  181. discosucs2005 says: Sep 14, 2011 10:06 PM

    I don’t know why anyone is surprised that a taser got in a stadium. Several people at the college radio station I work at bring “Zoom” recorders with them everywhere to record stuff, including sporting events (I brought mine to the first game of last years World Series). And these Zoom recorders look like weapons, and every time I bring it to a game or a concert I fully expect someone to take it away or tell me I can’t bring it in. I never hide it (I don’t want to look guilty) but I’ve never once been even asked about it. Even at events where recorders aren’t permitted I can easily bring it in. Searches just don’t really work that well.

    As far as the actual fight, I don’t understand how the Marine is avoiding any kind of legal action (maybe he isn’t but it’s not stated). A different article on this situation made it seem like he purposely bumped the man’s wife when she was trying to leave the aisle.

    Obviously the man who had the taser should be convicted of carrying an illegal weapon (assuming all that information is correct), but I think any additional charges are ridiculous.

    The reason for the altercation is completely irrelevant. Even if the guy wore a “go terrorism” shirt and said the 9/11 attacks were awesome, that does not mean it’s ok to bully him, especially in a physical way.

    Anyone that thinks people have to stand or that the man deserved any of this for not standing during the anthem needs a lesson on how this country works. Not standing for the flag is no where near as bad as saying that someone doesn’t have the right to do so (or that they deserve any sort of punishment or mistreatment because of that.)

    What’s the point of putting your life on the line and joining the military if you don’t even understand (or apply) the principals you’re defending in your own life?

  182. seytonmanning says: Sep 15, 2011 6:04 PM

    good points made by other commenters. as much as people dont want to hear it the marine is a punk who decided that he had already decided he was going to get in a fight with this guy not realizing that ol leroy didnt mind getting into a fight because he was armed with taser.leroy is a punk as well and im sure will get his comeuppance one day.you dont know what people are capable of folks.think long and hard about what might happen to you before you decide to do something stupid over a damned football game.

  183. xx4zu1 says: Sep 15, 2011 6:44 PM

    As a former military member I would have been deeply offended as well however we fight for the freedom of the citizens of this country and offended or not I would defend this mans decision to not stand. As a Vet you quickly learn that our government doesn’t stand by it’s troops and it’s very possible that “tazer guy” had a very good reason to not stand. So sorry marine you had no right whatsoever to act in the way you did.

  184. vikesfansteve says: Sep 15, 2011 9:25 PM

    He talked while there was a playing of TAPS for the 911 victims. That’s why they wouldn’t let him out of the row. It was not due to the national anthem.

  185. briddes says: Sep 16, 2011 1:38 AM

    The man with the taser did have the right to not stand for the National Anthem

    AND

    The Marine had the right to not stand to let him pass.

    There is no law that states that you have to stand to let some moron get out of the row that you are sitting in.

  186. khuxford says: Sep 16, 2011 3:49 PM

    Briddes, you don’t have to get up, but you can’t obstruct someone from passing. If it is somehow impossible for another person to pass without you getting up from your seat, then you’d actually have to get up…or the stadium would need to remove you from the stadium as a safety hazard.

    This wasn’t refusing to stand, this was purposely being obstructive, as originally threatened earlier in the game.

  187. Deb says: Sep 16, 2011 11:07 PM

    KIR says:
    The guy who wouldn’t stand is a Jehovah’s Witnesses they don’t celebrate holidays, The National Anthem
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    They also don’t believe in wars and weapons. So what was he doing with a taser? Perhaps he’s not a practicing JW, but someone looking to create a problem who thought he might need protection.

    I have friends who don’t participate in nationalist activities for religious reasons, but they would have stood–without singing or saluting–just to be respectful. Yes, this guy had the right to sit, stand, or dance a jig without interference from anyone. He did not have the right to discharge a weapon. For that, I hope he gets the maximum sentence the law allows.

  188. savannahrose44 says: Sep 17, 2011 4:12 AM

    billygoat says:
    Sep 13, 2011 11:05 AM
    The guy should be arrested for not standing during our anthem.

    ————————————————-

    Right…Cause nothing says America like police enforced patriotism? Whats next martial law? Last I checked America still boasted freedom of speech, press, and religion. To arrest someone for choosing not to stand for the anthem would fly in the face of the freedom it stands for.

  189. blacksunday1 says: Sep 17, 2011 12:03 PM

    That show you that old age has nothing to do with wisdom but requires common sense. Why would anyone attend a game wearing an opposing teams jersey and purposely antagonized his surroundings was beyond me. I’ve attented away games several times and the first thing I do was start a conversation with people around me. Being a Raider fan and wearing the jersey, I automatically get the here’s the trouble maker look. People looking for trouble normally get what they’re asking for. By the way VIKING FANS you guys are great!

  190. pftuser says: Sep 19, 2011 8:21 PM

    Tasers, no problem. It’s those opened bottles of water I fear. The pat down is great at keeping those out of the stadium.

    It’s all about revenue.

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