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Janikowski’s field goal was 63 yards, but Raiders want 64

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Sebastian Janikowski kicked a record-tying 63-yard field goal on Monday night in Denver, but the Oakland Raiders think he was shortchanged.

The Raiders are appealing to have the kick officially go down in the record books as a 64-yarder, which would give Janikowski the record for longest field goal all to himself, ahead of Tom Dempsey and Jason Elam, who also booted 63-yard field goals.

We checked with the league office on how such appeals work and were told that clubs can ask for any play to be reviewed for statistical purposes, and the Elias Sports Bureau will review the play and make a decision.

So how do they decide the measurement on a kick? The question is whether Raiders punter Shane Lechler placed the ball on the Raiders’ 47-yard line or on the Raiders’ 46-yard line when he held for Janikowski’s field goal. If it was between yard lines, they would round down.

Here’s the relevant excerpt from the NFL’s Guide for Statisticians: “Field goals shall be measured from the spot of the kick. Spot of the kick is dictated by the same principle as used in determining the line of scrimmage. Example: If any point of the football when kicked rests on or above any yard stripe, credit distance from that yard stripe. If all of the ball rests between yard stripes, credit distance from the yard line nearest the intended goal.”

By that standard, the Raiders should not win this appeal: The ball was held between the 46 and 47 when it was kicked. Slate points out that Janikowski’s kick was longer than either Elam’s or Dempsey’s, but not a full yard longer. Janikowski’s kick will stay 63 yards.

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72 Responses to “Janikowski’s field goal was 63 yards, but Raiders want 64”
  1. ilovefoolsball says: Sep 15, 2011 3:09 PM

    typical raiders, no doubt this came from Al himself.

  2. jaggedmark says: Sep 15, 2011 3:10 PM

    In related news, the Patriots are requesting Brady’s passing yardage last week be chronicled as 518 yards, because the line of scrimmage on the pass to Welker WAS RIGHT ON THE FRICKING GOAL LINE.

  3. mustbejealousof6 says: Sep 15, 2011 3:11 PM

    WAHHH!!! WAHHH!!! I WANT 64!!!

  4. dukemarc says: Sep 15, 2011 3:11 PM

    Crazy Uncle Al is going to sue the league over a half a yard.

  5. crazysandude says: Sep 15, 2011 3:11 PM

    It was in Denver, so who cares.

  6. Mr. Wright 212 says: Sep 15, 2011 3:13 PM

    Hmmmm… he nailed three from 70 in the pregame. Let’s see the tape again.

  7. mcfluckey96 says: Sep 15, 2011 3:13 PM

    the highlight of the season for the black and silver. big deal. this team stinks! 8-8 tops!

  8. zoxitic says: Sep 15, 2011 3:14 PM

    Shouldnt all your energy and time be focused on winning the next game?

  9. kevinfromphilly says: Sep 15, 2011 3:16 PM

    Give a kicker a yard, and he’ll take a mile (and wouldn’t THAT be some record!).

  10. scudbot says: Sep 15, 2011 3:17 PM

    McNabb wants 39.5 yards.

  11. claymath52 says: Sep 15, 2011 3:19 PM

    And if they don’t win the appeal, you will becomce victim to a 187.

  12. dfalcon3522 says: Sep 15, 2011 3:19 PM

    They shouldn’t have tried that run play that gained a yard, should have allowed Campbell to toss one more incomplete pass

  13. mybuttsayspft says: Sep 15, 2011 3:20 PM

    Yeah how crazy of him to try to help one of HIS players get a record and to go down in history, what a crazy old fool. Al Davis is the biggest players owner there is. I like this move.

  14. alaricsrevenge says: Sep 15, 2011 3:21 PM

    Upon further review, it is only a 62 yard FG. Suck it. LOLOL

  15. Chairman Al says: Sep 15, 2011 3:22 PM

    Does it cost them anything is they’re wrong? Does Jano’s kick get deemed shorter? Then why the hell not?

    It’s like using a challenge in a game when its a no-risk situation. If there’s a fraction of a chance they’ll side with you, and there is no punishment to be wrong, why not?

  16. bleedgreen11 says: Sep 15, 2011 3:22 PM

    it is a shame because honestly, he had 65 yards easy there. stupid ass raider place holder should have sat back so it was 64 yards, i doubt that would have been topped in a long time. thats the dummies of the west for you though.

    still impressive kick.

  17. ndingeldein says: Sep 15, 2011 3:22 PM

    Whether they call it a 63 or 64 yarder doesn’t actually change how far he kicked it.

  18. alaricsrevenge says: Sep 15, 2011 3:23 PM

    Dude is a fatty though isn’t he.

  19. jaggedmark says: Sep 15, 2011 3:24 PM

    Good Lord. Whoever typed McNabb wants 39.5 yards, that’s tooooooo funny.

  20. deviantfate says: Sep 15, 2011 3:26 PM

    Dempsey was in New Orleans in less than ideal conditions.

    Elam and Janikowski’s were both in Denver with the thin air.

  21. bturner032002 says: Sep 15, 2011 3:29 PM

    If the NFL ever turns into a foot race followed by a field goal kicking competition the raiders will win it all every year!

  22. realitypolice says: Sep 15, 2011 3:38 PM

    Why didn’t they just tell Lechler to make sure he was on the 47 and if he needed to go back a yard make sure the snapper put a little mustard on it?

  23. mvp43 says: Sep 15, 2011 3:38 PM

    This confirms that the Raiders are the laughing stock of the NFL……………at least the at the top of that list!

  24. jakek2 says: Sep 15, 2011 3:38 PM

    I thought there was an unwritten rule once you became an NFL kicker that you took an oath not to top Dempsey. Something to do with a handicapped player holding a cherished record or that you’d be jinxed if you beat him. I’m not making this up.

    Look at how strong some kickers have been since Dempsey. I’m sure there came a time when one of them could have tried a 63+ yder but didn’t.

  25. realitypolice says: Sep 15, 2011 3:40 PM

    deviantfate says:
    Sep 15, 2011 3:26 PM
    Dempsey was in New Orleans in less than ideal conditions.
    =================

    Don’t go there. Seriously, don’t.

    We don’t need to bring up Dempsey’s “unnatural” advantage, do we?

  26. p4hbiz says: Sep 15, 2011 3:41 PM

    I hope like Hell he wins… He deserve it, how many kickers in the NFL can do that, well only 3..

    Give him the yard, he was kicking from 70 yrds before the game and he cleared it by 66yards

    Just Win baby!

  27. deadeye says: Sep 15, 2011 3:43 PM

    This field goal record is the only thing left for the Raiders to accomplish that Al Davis cares about. That was the point behind drafting Janikowski in round one all those years ago. Once the longest field goal record belongs exclusively to the Raiders, Al will die peacefully in his sleep. Come on NFL, give him the record for the sake of everyone who cares about pro football.

  28. pdxbolt says: Sep 15, 2011 3:43 PM

    Dempsey had half a foot for crying out loud. Seabass has cattle barges for shoes in comparision. He does have a hell of a kicking leg though. All 215lbs of it.

  29. pftstory says: Sep 15, 2011 3:44 PM

    I’ve not viewed the tape.

    If its as obvious as the post makes it (and most appear to agree) that it certainly was not on the hash to make it 64, the Raiders are dead wrong for wasting any time on this. They waste their time and the leagues. You dont just appeal things because you have nothing to lose, or because it shows you are a players owner. You appeal things because you believe there was a mistake.

    This is not like a baseball manager getting in an umps face over a questionable call to rally the team.

    This is more of an insult to the kickers who share the record that they wont respect THEIR accomplishments by being willing to attempt to out do them on a bogus appeal.

  30. EJ says: Sep 15, 2011 3:45 PM

    Not a big deal, It was kicked in Denver where the air is much thinner, therefore making it much easier to boot it farther. If anything, there should be an *asterisk* next to his name in the record book stating it was made in an easier place -Invesco Field at Mile High-

    Dempsey owns the real true record for kicking it in New Orleans.

  31. seanmmartin says: Sep 15, 2011 3:45 PM

    Is anyone else as surprised at I am that a) he’s still on the Raiders’ team, and b) he’s STILL IN THE LEAGUE?

  32. phillyfan4ever says: Sep 15, 2011 3:46 PM

    Lol why does Al Daviv obsess over stupid numbers, 64 yard FG, 4.3 sec 40′s

    How about worrying about a WINNING RECORD

  33. p4hbiz says: Sep 15, 2011 3:47 PM

    It really shouldn’t matter, He is still in the record books for kicking two 60 yrd fieldgoals.. 61yrds in 2005 and 63yrds this year

    Tell elam and dempsey to try and make two from 60yrds

  34. snap0179 says: Sep 15, 2011 3:47 PM

    Janikowski’s stomach was hanging over for the extra yard so it should count

  35. masterblaster78 says: Sep 15, 2011 3:47 PM

    I hope he kicks a 70 yarder this year to shut up all the Raider haters once and for all. The guys a top notch kicker, give the man credit even though you don’t like the Raiders, jeshhhhhhhhhhh…….

  36. bordner says: Sep 15, 2011 3:48 PM

    I can’t imagine them changing this and giving it to him, but I’m willing to bet that he’ll get the record eventually. The Raiders have a history of trotting him out for longer field goals than most right-thinking clubs would ever dream of attempting. He’s been very close on several occasions and it’s only a matter of time until he connects on one.

  37. zinn22 says: Sep 15, 2011 3:51 PM

    Looking at the video it looks pretty clear the ball is nowhere near the 46 yard line. The holders back foot is slid back and is barley touching the 46. The ball appears to be about 1 yard further up. Regardless it was a great kick by Janikowski and if he gets a few more opportunities he will break that record..

  38. catquick says: Sep 15, 2011 3:51 PM

    Dempsey only had half a foot on his kicking leg also…..and no right hand. Technically crippled, might not even get to play now-a-days

  39. pigskinswag says: Sep 15, 2011 3:59 PM

    I thought the Raiders mantra was “Just win baby”, not “Just whine baby”.

  40. juiceboxsupply says: Sep 15, 2011 4:00 PM

    those three points that no one else could have gotten completely justify that 1st round pick

  41. bozosforall says: Sep 15, 2011 4:01 PM

    claymath52 says:
    Sep 15, 2011 3:19 PM
    And if they don’t win the appeal, you will becomce victim to a 187.

    ___
    “cause it’s one-eight-seven on the stupid Packer fan” – Snoop Dogg (in “Deep Cover”)

  42. raiderrob21 says: Sep 15, 2011 4:04 PM

    What does it all mean? Raiders 2-0 after this week!
    RAIDERNATION!!!!!!!!!!

  43. dhnguyen66 says: Sep 15, 2011 4:04 PM

    I understand that it’s fun and easy to rag on the Raiders…

    but how is an organization trying to do its best for a player in any form unlikable? Janikowski himself has stated that this record means something to him. What’s the harm in Oakland going out of its way to ensure that their kicker has the best shot at sole ownership of a record that is one of his stated career goals?

    People just need to think before they feel.

  44. drshakedown74 says: Sep 15, 2011 4:08 PM

    Mile High= minus 4 yards……..now what. Two at altitude and one wood foot, who’s next???

  45. kisstherings says: Sep 15, 2011 4:08 PM

    maybe he can hold the record for “fattest field-goal kicker” all to himself…

  46. iamthorny says: Sep 15, 2011 4:09 PM

    I’d like to kick Al Davis 64 yards…

  47. realitypolice says: Sep 15, 2011 4:13 PM

    catquick says:
    Sep 15, 2011 3:51 PM
    Dempsey only had half a foot on his kicking leg also…..and no right hand. Technically crippled, might not even get to play now-a-days
    =======================

    I don’t know how old you are, but I remember Tom Dempsey during his playing days.

    I know I will get killed for this, but the fact is that his handicap gave him a huge advantage due the construction of his specialized kicking shoe.

    It had a large, flat, square, hard plastic surface on the front that allowed him to swing his leg and hit the ball head on, unlike normal kickers who have hit the ball with the side of their foot.

    Sorry, but those are the facts.

  48. buckybadger says: Sep 15, 2011 4:24 PM

    zoxitic says:
    Sep 15, 2011 3:14 PM
    Shouldnt all your energy and time be focused on winning the next game?

    ———————–

    It isn’t like the team or the coaches are going to fight this battle. This is what those guys with the cushy jobs get to do. And of course they should fight for this. Shows that you will support your players and make sure they are looked after for. If you think the Raider players are appealing this themselves you have no idea what the word “organization” means in the NFL.

  49. buckybadger says: Sep 15, 2011 4:25 PM

    Better let him have it or Janikowski will be out ruffying people.

  50. buckybadger says: Sep 15, 2011 4:26 PM

    @realitypolice, you are 100% correct. It is almost like they made a custom made horse shoe for his kicking foot.

  51. truninerfan49 says: Sep 15, 2011 4:28 PM

    He should be nailing 60 plus yards every week being a first round pick.

  52. edmazeing1 says: Sep 15, 2011 4:48 PM

    He will get 64 sunday at the bills game!!!

  53. piratesofthecoliseum says: Sep 15, 2011 5:01 PM

    Whoever the idiot is that said it was in Denver with the thin air should be punched!! He kicks 70 yarders in warm ups before every game, and every game isn’t in Denver! Moron!!

  54. GhostoftheBay says: Sep 15, 2011 5:07 PM

    There seems to be alot of Raider fans on the internet, how come you can’t get more than 5,000 people to actually show up for a home game?

  55. phinfan says: Sep 15, 2011 5:20 PM

    I’m glad they are fighting for Field Goal records… makes all this nonsense about Tom Brady’s record much less significant. (groan)

  56. musicman495 says: Sep 15, 2011 5:24 PM

    realitypolice says: Sep 15, 2011 4:13 PM

    I don’t know how old you are, but I remember Tom Dempsey during his playing days.

    I know I will get killed for this, but the fact is that his handicap gave him a huge advantage due the construction of his specialized kicking shoe.

    It had a large, flat, square, hard plastic surface on the front that allowed him to swing his leg and hit the ball head on, unlike normal kickers who have hit the ball with the side of their foot.

    Sorry, but those are the facts.

    ————————————————–

    Yes, I too am old enough to have seen Tom Dempsey kick, too. As a Lions fan growing up, I was watching the game from my home in Detroit that day in 1970. (The game was in New Orleans.) Funny how no one whined about Tom Dempsey’s “advantage” of kicking with half a foot the rest of his ten year career. Only that kick. And the Lions never complained either, even though that loss nearly kept them out of the playoffs that year.

    This is as ridiculous as the complainers about Casey Martin who could barely walk having an “advantage” in using a golf cart. Yeah, wow, he has really torn up the PGA Tour with that cart, hasn’t he?

  57. strangebrew02 says: Sep 15, 2011 5:31 PM

    “Dempsey was in New Orleans in less than ideal conditions.”

    And the conditions Jano kicked in were? I wasn’t at the game, but it did not look like a clear, 65 degree day with a slight breeze. It was raining fairly hard the entire game. Not exactly ideal circumstances for hitting a record tying kick. People can hate all they want and the Raiders have provided plenty of ammo over the years for non-believers to throw their way. Bottom line, regardless if the call came from Davis or if it was Jackson, this was a great call and the difference in the game.

  58. joetoronto says: Sep 15, 2011 5:32 PM

    seanmmartin says: Sep 15, 2011 3:45 PM

    Is anyone else as surprised at I am that a) he’s still on the Raiders’ team, and b) he’s STILL IN THE LEAGUE?
    *************************************************
    God knows there’s allot of ignorant posts in this thread but this one here, this is a special type of ignorance.

    Congratulations, moron.

  59. stull60060 says: Sep 15, 2011 5:34 PM

    I saw the Dempsey kick. Dempsey had a squared off steel toe shoe.

  60. altaratz says: Sep 15, 2011 5:46 PM

    scudbot says: Sep 15, 2011 3:17 PM

    McNabb wants 39.5 yards.
    *******************************

    Everyone can stop posting now. Scudbot wins comment of the day. Frick’n hilarious!! Even Donovan is laughing at that one.

  61. keeponhating says: Sep 15, 2011 5:49 PM

    doesnt matter seabass will beat the record by 10 yards before he retires. and to all the “it was in denver who cares” haters, he kicked a 61 yarder in the snow in cleveland that would have made it from 65-70 yards. so STFU

  62. realitypolice says: Sep 15, 2011 5:50 PM

    @musicman495,

    Yeah, people do tend to get a little more vocal about someone having an unfair advantage when they break an all-time record using it than they would otherwise.

    The Martin comparison doesn’t make any sense. Are you saying the fact that it turned out that Martin sucked and wouldn’t have made it on tour if they let him play from the ladies tees somehow invalidates someone pointing out (not complaining, by the way, just pointing out) that Dempsey set an all-time NFL record using a piece of equipment no one else in the league was allowed to use?

  63. kevpft says: Sep 15, 2011 6:06 PM

    Whether 63 or 64 goes into the official record books, there is indisputable proof that he just kicked the longest field goal in NFL history.

    That’s gotta feel pretty darn good.

  64. skinsfaninnebraska says: Sep 15, 2011 6:12 PM

    Seriously, this makes no sense at all. If they knew they were going for a record-tying kick, why not just have Lechler move back a half-yard to make sure they had a record-breaking distance?

    A foot-and-a-half would not have made a bit of difference for the long snapper, but would have ensured the new record.

    Pretty stupid, in retrospect.

  65. skinsfaninnebraska says: Sep 15, 2011 6:13 PM

    …especially stupid, since Janikowski was nailing them from 70 in the warmups.

  66. nesuperfan says: Sep 15, 2011 6:45 PM

    masterblaster78 says:Sep 15, 2011 3:47 PM

    I hope he kicks a 70 yarder this year to shut up all the Raider haters once and for all. The guys a top notch kicker, give the man credit even though you don’t like the Raiders.
    __________________________________

    I really don’t think it is about hate. It simply is what it is: It was a 63-yarder.

    Personally, I would love to see this guy hit a 70-yarder. That would be so cool as far as I am concerned.

    No doubt in my mind that the guy is an amazing kicker.

  67. 3yrsnfl says: Sep 15, 2011 7:02 PM

    Dempsey tried one from 80 yards once. He missed it by half a foot.

  68. judsonjr says: Sep 15, 2011 7:08 PM

    Eventually someone with a free kick FG at the end of a half will just crush the record anyway. Mason Crosby missed a 69 yard free kick by a yard or less, and that was on a day where it was below freezing.

  69. Grinds My Gear says: Sep 15, 2011 7:13 PM

    Dempsey was in New Orleans in less than ideal conditions.

    Elam and Janikowski’s were both in Denver with the thin air.

    ———————————

    Janikowski kicked a 61 yard FG with plenty of distance in the snow freezing cold in Cleveland. Sorry Dempsey was a great kicker. However, I don’t think there’s any doubt the Polish Cannon has maybe one of the strongest legs in Football. Not to mention in 2007, he kicked a 65 yard FG in Oakland against Houston on dirt. Although he missed the ball hit damn near the top of the upright.

  70. stellarperformance says: Sep 15, 2011 7:30 PM

    3yrsnfl says: Sep 15, 2011 7:02 PM
    Dempsey tried one from 80 yards once. He missed it by half a foot.
    ———————————————————

    Good one, but most fans on this site are too young to know what you’re talking about.

  71. freedomispopular says: Sep 15, 2011 7:48 PM

    I’d like to see him get 70 during a game.

  72. billsfan1 says: Sep 15, 2011 8:25 PM

    In related news, the Patriots are requesting Brady’s passing yardage last week be chronicled as 518 yards, because the line of scrimmage on the pass to Welker WAS RIGHT ON THE FRICKING GOAL LINE

    dont u mean that play was 104 yards cause he was 5 yards behind the line when he released the ball hahahhah

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