Reeves says Falcons turned their backs on Vick

AP

In April 2001, the Falcons pulled off a stunning trade, sliding into the No. 1 spot via a deal with the Chargers and landing former Virginia Tech quarterback Mike Vick.

Not long thereafter (or perhaps previously), Vick embarked on a lifestyle of dogfighting, which would last until the operation was discovered by police in April 2007.

The man who pulled off the trade for Vick, former Falcons coach Dan Reeves, believes that, once Vick landed in hot water, the team shouldn’t have cut him loose.

“When Mike really needed them they turned their back on him in my opinion,” said Reeves, via Tim McManus of PhiladelphiaSportsDaily.com.  “They could have been a big supporter and they let him go.  I think it could have been handled differently.

“I wasn’t there so I don’t know the organization’s standpoint, but I thought they could have been more supportive and instead they severed ties with him.”

Here’s the organization’s standpoint, as best we can discern via a recollection of the circumstances and the application of common sense.

Vick lied, repeatedly and brazenly, to the organization, to owner Arthur Blank, and to Commissioner Roger Goodell.  Vick disgraced himself, the team, and the league via a pattern (not a “mistake” but a pattern) of fighting dogs, gambling on dog fights, and killing in cold blood dogs deemed unworthy of fighting other dogs.  (He has admitted to this last point, but his story of redemption would be less compelling if the media dwells on that part of it too much.  So the media rarely does.)

Even if Arthur Blank and the Falcons had decided to stand by their man, what were they supposed to do?  Use a revolving door of journeymen at quarterback until Vick emerged from prison and regained his form?  The team would have been a mess not for one season — as it was in 2007 — but for three, or maybe more.

There’s no guarantee Vick would have returned to Atlanta and performed there like he has in Philadelphia.  Perhaps only Eagles coach Andy Reid, a wizard when it comes to getting the most out of quarterbacks, could have engineered the stunning second act of Vick’s career.

Either way, the Falcons made the only decision they could make under the circumstances.  Vick needed a complete and total wake-up call in order to change his life.  The Falcons helped give him that, and there’s a good chance that Vick never would have gotten to his current level or maturity and success unless the Falcons fired him.

119 responses to “Reeves says Falcons turned their backs on Vick

  1. i disagree. the eagles took a risk taking someone who had just been in jail for three years. it just happen to work out but if i were the falcons, i wouldn’t have wanted anything to do with vick after he was caught doing dogfighting and sent to jail for 3 years

  2. Never let this story die, PFT. Never. Rehash it. Again. And Again.

    But it’s all about getting the self-righteous whiners on this site riled up, so here we go…

  3. Interesting that Reeves would ignore the glaring facts about Vick’s case and tow the media line on his comeback story by blaming the Falcons.

    I find it particularly interesting because, if memory serves me correctly, it was Vick’s crap attitude, combined with his poor work ethic and complete lack of ability to play QB at the NFL level, which got Reeves fired from his Falcon’s head coaching job.

    And wasn’t it Dan Reeves who crapped on the best QB he had during his time in Atlanta, Chris Chandler… who he benched for Micheal Vick, the man who would ultimately get him fired.

  4. I will never forget that Mike Vick tortured animals repeatedly, lied about it without batting an eye, and now most of you actually think that he is somehow rehabilitated.

    He served some soft time for his crimes, and while he deserves to resume his career, he better never even think that it would be ok to own a dog for his very own.

    Mike Vick would never have stopped this behavior on his own. Weghing the option between continuing this lifestyle vs the millions he could make playing football, well I didn’t say he was stupid. But I don’t belive for a second that Vick really believes he did anything wrong and has been truly rehabbed. He is just pulling the woolly over your eyes.

    Mike Vick having a dog of his own is like a child rapist allowed to resume his babysitting career after a slap on the wrist.

    Who is Dan Reeves? Does he own a dog? Why do senile people come out of the woodwork to make comments like this? Blank would have supported Vick if he hadn’t looked him in the eye and just plain lied to the man paying him millions, just liike he is doing to you saps now.

  5. As an owner of a pitbull I will never cheer for Vick again, he sickens me as a person. Fortunately, his prominence and high profile downfall & resurrected career has really helped change the perception of pitbulls in a positive manner. People are more understanding and sympathetic to this misrepresented breed, and the tortures some endure. Vick served his time and is paying retribution. I hope he is genuinely changing for the better.
    Punish the Deed, Not the Breed!

  6. So, how many other felons has Dan decided to embrace? Because there are a LOT of guys who have done hard time because they took a snort or had some smokes on their possession. Far less destructive and violent crimes than Vick committed. Where is Dan’s crusade to get their companies to stand by them in their hour of need? This is hypocrisy, plain and simple. If Vick was a UPS driver that committed the same crimes, no one would have wanted him to see the light of day ever again. Reeves wouldn’t even spit on him if he was on fire. But because he can throw a football, it’s all about forgiveness and “standing by your man”. Danny boy, you made an ass of yourself with this self righteous crap.

  7. Senile old moron. Supporter of a man they paid alot of money to be the face of the franchise, and thats how Vick repaid them. He broke the law and the gambling concerns were extremely serious. It was Vick who betrayed them, not the other way around

    Thats an incredibly reckless statement he made

  8. Well, there went all the respect I had for Coach Reeves out the window. Don’t feed the Vickophants, Coach. Atlanta has enough angry morons as it is between the “redstate teaparty freaks” and the “Mike Vick got a raw deal crowd”.

    I’ll take Matty Ice any day over that herpes ridden psychopath.

  9. Reeves is a dolt. EVERYONE should turn their backs on Bad Newz Vick!! The Bad Newz Redemption Tour is so much B.S. :X

  10. (full disclosure i am a lifelong falcons fan.) you make a very valid point about what happened to the dogs in this feel-good story of redemption… i have always though vick should apologize to the dogs. i know it may sound odd, but he’s never expressed remorse about their pain, just the pain he caused humans. here’s how it would go: “i have apologized to fans i let down, teammates, the falcons, my family, the city of atlanta… but there is a huge part of my conscience that still has a black could over it. it’s the dogs themselves. i hurt them. i know they can’t hear me, and if they could they wouldn’t understand, but i just have to get this off my chest… i want to apologize to them. they trusted me. and i hurt them. and for that i am sorry. i know you can’t really ask a dog for forgiveness, but i guess that’s what i am doing.” until i hear that, i will never fully forgive vick.

  11. When it comes down to it…hes a felon. Weird people do the Sh*% he did….its not natural, and disturbing. I would not want him anywhere near my team. He actually should be doing something far from making millions in the NFL…Im sorry…some liberties are supposed to be taken away.

  12. Sep 17, 2011 11:13 AM

    (full disclosure i am a lifelong falcons fan.) you make a very valid point about what happened to the dogs in this feel-good story of redemption… i have always though vick should apologize to the dogs. i know it may sound odd, but he’s never expressed remorse about their pain, just the pain he caused humans. here’s how it would go: “i have apologized to fans i let down, teammates, the falcons, my family, the city of atlanta… but there is a huge part of my conscience that still has a black could over it. it’s the dogs themselves. i hurt them. i know they can’t hear me, and if they could they wouldn’t understand, but i just have to get this off my chest… i want to apologize to them. they trusted me. and i hurt them. and for that i am sorry. i know you can’t really ask a dog for forgiveness, but i guess that’s what i am doing.” until i hear that, i will never fully forgive vick.

    Rsponse: bark, bark, bark, bark, bark

  13. I would except a dumb statement like that out of Tony Dungy,or Al Sharpton.Not Dan Reeves. I just lost all respect for him

  14. You Vick haters make me sick…

    But Atlanta did what they should have done, no body turned their backs on Vick. From a business standpoint, they had to move on and do so quickly

    Vick suffered the results of his own horrible decisions and deserved every ounce of discipline he received.

    That said…it’s long past time for all that talk to be over.

    Eagles v Falcons….period.

  15. WTF is wrong with people these days??? The world has a crooked sense of justice. First of all, WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS??? The man went to jail, he’s made all the right moves since he’s come out of jail. Let the man live his life. It’s not fair that this man gets attacked for something still that he did almost five years ago, while there is another qb who sexually assaults women but hasn’t seen any kind of punishment, except for a four game suspension. Really?? ARE OUR WOMEN NOT WORTH MORE THAN OUR DOGS?? If I were to sexually assault a woman, they would send my black ass to jail, early. I’M not excusing what Mike did. But he’s paid his debts already. There is too much evil going on in the world to harp on that man’s sins. Besides world, it’s only God’s place to judge.

  16. Dan Reeves was a bruising fullback for the cowboys if memory serves me right. I hope his brain is OK, as early onset of dementia seems to be present. Pray for Dan Reeves.

  17. dlmcc1010 says:
    Sep 17, 2011 11:25 AM
    I would except a dumb statement like that out of Tony Dungy,or Al Sharpton.Not Dan Reeves. I just lost all respect for him

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    What does Al Sharpton have to do with football? And you do realize Coach Dungy condemned Vick’s actions, right? Also, Dungy has been involved in a ministry that helps inmates.

  18. In any other business if a key employee did what he did they would be fired immediately. The reason some atheletes ( college/pro.) behave they way they do is no one calls them on it. Get real.

  19. I wonder…if Tom Brady did something that landed him in jail in his late 20’s, would he have been cut off like black players always are? Also, does anyone remember that the Atlanta HC just quit? Pretty damaging, don’t you think?

    One more time…he was wrong, but they were freaking DOGS!!! Most of the world eats them, like we eat chicken, pigs and cows. In most parts of the world they’re considered and worth as much as rodents. Let’s have perspective. I don’t really give much of a damn about dogs because many whites equated slaves to dogs, many of them lower. So his 2 years were too severe. He simply broke the law. Why doesn’t PITA speak for underfed children in this country, along with underfed cats and dogs? Humans trump animals every time.

    I am a lifelong Giants fan, but I hope Vick pulls it off and wins the Big One. I can see the headline now…FROM DOG KILLER TO SBMVP!!! GO VICK!!!

  20. I’m an Eagles fan and a mike vick fan, but damn that was dumb on reeve’s part.@ santolonius the stuff you said about wanting to hear vick apologize to the dogs was pretty weird. I understand what mike did was wrong but the last time I checked when does a dog’s feelings matter? Next thing we will hear from you is how dogs deserve the right to vote or some sh*t. Mike did his time he shows remorse for what he did, end of story. Leave him alone. There are people out here that do far more cruel things and get away with it. Why don’t we worry about them instead of someone who got in trouble and already served time? Stop dwelling on the past.

  21. Reeves need to pull his head out of his anus and look at the history without his own personal bias.

    The Michael Vick of the Falcolns era was a certified turd. He thought he was God, was treated like he was God, had a massive ego with an inflated head the size of the Hindenberg, wasn’t committed to improving his game and didn’t care, committed multiple off-field indiscretions and embarrassed the team and it’s owner on multiple occasions. Then finally when it was exposed that he had a sick dog fighting/killing business in his back yard, he lied and lied and lied.

    Micheal Vick was given every chance and every forgiveness possible by Arthur Blank. Blank treated him TOO good. Vick did not deserve the forgivenesses that Blank continuously gave him along the way. The Falcolns Vick was a person of despicable character and devoid of any redeeming values beyond his athletic talent. I was cheering like a 13 year old girl at a Justin Beeber concert for him to go to jail for a long time because his lack of values and lack of character totally disgusted me. The Michael Vick of that era was a truly rotten individual. Not only was he a turd….he defined what it was to be a turd.

    Dan Reeves is attempting to spew some revisionist history here that does not take into account the true character of the Michael Vick of those days. The Falcolns didn’t abandon Michael Vick and it’s absolutely ludicrous to float such an insinuation. Dan Reeves owes Arthur Blank an apology and owes it to himself to pull his head out of his anus and look at the history under the light of unbiased objectivity.

  22. Dan Reeves is an idiot. Period.

    And if Virginia’s DA wasn’t such a homer, Vick would have got 40 years for animal abuse and not the slap on the wrist he got for racketeering.

  23. I honestly don’t think we hear about the dog fighting scandal enough these days. That much energy spent in mutilation and slaughter of innocent creatures…it shows a depravity that I will not so easily forget because of a few well-spun footballs. Death for sport, people. Death, for money and sport. And so he gets a few guys coaching him in what to say to get another big contract.

    Seriously, all that money. He could have been investing in real estate, traveling the globe and doing whatever else rich people with souls do. He invested in Bad Newz Kennels.

    Now, I do believe humans are capable of change and redemption, but it comes at a steep price. It doesn’t happen by 18 months in the clink, where he was undoubtedly worshipped as an unfairly persecuted hero, followed by a few more 9 figure contracts.

    He will get comfortable again, tune Dungy out and start living the way he really wants to.

  24. This is kind of like saying that woman from Long Island who found out her husband wasn’t really going to his white-collar job every day but was robbing banks could’ve handled it differently and not divorced him when he went to prison.

    Well, sure. I guess. Then again, sometimes it’s really just better for everyone to move on when a relationship has been so seriously damaged.

  25. Hearing all this hate spewing out about Vick lets me stay aware of the fact that I live in America…the same America that elected a Black president and proceeds to disrespect him like no other in my lifetime. If you’re black, the rules are different and tolerance is much less. You don’t have the same expectations of a real, I mean white American. That’s what it is…FOR REAL!!!

  26. He lied to the owners face, and tortured/murdered living things. Yeah, let’s keep HIM…

    The Falcons did what any other smart business organization would have done. Distanced themselves from a lying scumbag.

  27. DAN REEVES!!!!! you got to be joking!!!!!?? ok, so if you had a player who went to a federal prison you would RISK 3 years with NO franchise QB and WAIT for your old franshicse QB to get out of prison!!!! Tell me this, how long would you last as a head coach if that happened to you. Sorry Reeves, but now you look like a moron.

    Vick did this to himself. the Falcons HAD to cut him loose. they could NOT have Harrington and Redman hold the job till Vick was out of prison. they did the smart thing and moved on to Ryan. NOW, if Vick say put up great numbers, then benched him for no good reason and then drafted a QB, then it’s turning your back on Vick, but Vick went to prison, they kinda wanted to rebuild their team image. the Giants had to do the same thing with Burress. Vick is now an Eagle and Ryan is a Falcon, deal with it, this is not a revenge game, there is no revenge about it. the Falcons did the wise thing and moved on and are better for it and Vick did the right thing and went to the right team and is now a better quarterback for it.

  28. randallcobb says: Sep 17, 2011 11:38 AM

    Child molesters run free, but dog killers go to jail. Makes sense.
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    What “makes sense” is someone who doesn’t know what Vick went to jail for making a nonsensical comment like this one. He spent not a nanosecond in jail for anything he did to the dogs.

    Vick came out and admitted he quit on his team in the 05 season and he was still ON the team after he said that. Yet some “Vick only” fans rag on Petrino?? They both did the same thing. Blank enabled and coddled this guy over and over. For Reeves to say anyone in that organization turned their backs on him is moronic to the nth degree.

  29. cursivel says:Sep 17, 2011 11:32 AM

    WTF is wrong with people these days??? The world has a crooked sense of justice. First of all, WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS??? The man went to jail, he’s made all the right moves since he’s come out of jail. Let the man live his life. It’s not fair that this man gets attacked for something still that he did almost five years ago, while there is another qb who sexually assaults women but hasn’t seen any kind of punishment, except for a four game suspension. Really?? ARE OUR WOMEN NOT WORTH MORE THAN OUR DOGS?? If I were to sexually assault a woman, they would send my black ass to jail, early. I’M not excusing what Mike did. But he’s paid his debts already. There is too much evil going on in the world to harp on that man’s sins. Besides world, it’s only God’s place to judge.

    You are missing the point. He is not remorseful. He is a puppy killer. People bring up Spygate after 4 years and that was nothing compared to what Vick did. Anyone can make a mistake, but 1,00 of them? You are a blind fool.

  30. WTF???? People really make me sick. Like seriously, I bet all the people that hate Mike Vick supported the Pope when he was touching little boys. The whole lot of you are sick and crooked people. People can kill other people, abuse children, rape women, steal, slander and everything else under the sun. But to y’all that’s just life everyday. But oh, don’t let nobody touch the dogs!!! They’re your best friends. Kill everybody in the house, but don’t hurt the dog!!! Get the F#&* outta here with that nonsense. Y’all are just some hypocritical bastards. Really, I know the Bible said that this world would become sick and twisted but I didn’t think people could actually sink this low…

  31. Dj Shockley could have easily made a couple of playoff runs while they were waiting on him. Total idiots for taking Matt Ryan.

  32. Perspective: Mike Vick was the owner and head of a criminal gambling organization for many years. That alone should have prevented him from ever returning to the NFL. You can’t rehabilitate a mafia chieftain.

    The dog fighting and dog killing just makes him that much more despicable.

  33. The Philadelphia Eagles are not in the business of worrying about human beings they are in the business of trying to win a super bowl period ! Once mike vick no longer gives the eiggles that chance, his leash will be tied around a fire hydrant and left for someone who likes strays to take him in !

  34. managod777 says: Sep 17, 2011 11:43 AM

    I am a lifelong Giants fan, but I hope Vick pulls it off and wins the Big One. I can see the headline now…FROM DOG KILLER TO SBMVP!!! GO VICK!!!

    No true Giants fan would ever say that. Get the F off our bandwagon and go crawling back to Dallas, where animals are only good for one thing: “relations”.

  35. “Reeves says Falcons turned their backs on Vick”
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    The NFL should have turned it’s back on Vick.

  36. Silly steeler fans…. No cares about your redneck opinions…
    Funny how any article having the slightest thing to do with philly u jealous trash weirdos show up. Here’s a hint u inbred fux…. Have a 2nd login like ur boy 6ringsimlockedupinbigbensbasementasasexslaveandiloveit
    Vick turned his life around, I’m really happy to have witnessed his transformation. Haters don’t see it, blinded by jealously and evil thoughts… Jealous thoughts like, how come ben didn’t rape me?

  37. I have a sneaking suspicion that if Vick did return to Atlanta after he got out of prison that his redemption story wouldnt have turned out so well. Let it die Dan, let it die.

  38. “When Mike really needed them they turned their back on him in my opinion,”

    Ah, Danny boy, unless Vick had told them well before hand the illegal activities he was doing, he basically gave the organization a big eff in the A. Sorry Dan, but we’re not talking about a player that had an addiction problem and was cast off by his team. We’re talking about a guy who purposefully engaged in cruel acts against animals and enjoyed it. That would kinda tarnish the entire team and even more so if they stood up for him.

  39. Falcons were absolutely right about dumping Vick. He repeatedly lied through his teeth; and the Falcons had no option.
    Having said that, happy for Vick that he has turned it around.

    In the end, things turned out well for both the Falcons and Vick (albeit both going through a nadir)

  40. Why do people think its logical for people to say leave Vick alone because Big Ben is worse?

    First just because someone did something worse does not mean everyone who did something less gets a free pass. b oth big Ben and Vick can be scum bags.

    Second you are living with blinders on in unsupportable support of Vick if you think Big Ben gets a free pass here. He is regulary referred to as the rapist, just as Vick is called th animal killer. Yes legally Big Ben escaped punishment. But we have no control of that here.

    Third yeah it was five years ago. But the fact is he is still an animal killer. He did the deed. If someone did domething positive 5 years ago, like saved a life, should we disregard what he did and not recongnize it because it happened 5 years ago? Like the hero’s of 9/11. Why did we care about that? That happened 10 years ago. Move on already.
    Point is, positive or negative a person should be remembered for their legacy. Dog killing is part of Vicks. And that is no one’s fault but his own.

    Finally, are you really that dense to not understand that when Vick comes to Atlanta to play the Falcons, this is part of the story. He’s lucky that because he is playing well that people associate that with redemption over dog fighting. Reality is they are totally unrelated. There are plenty of great talents excelling on the field who are reprehensible human beings off it. Why we believe Vick is clean off the field due to his stats is beyond me.

  41. When vick is down in Atlanta this weekend maybe he can drop off the 6,000,000 he owes Blank ! The hobo bum has bad credit and most likely won’t pay up !

  42. cursivel says:

    WTF???? People really make me sick. Like seriously, I bet all the people that hate Mike Vick supported the Pope when he was touching little boys. The whole lot of you are sick and crooked people. People can kill other people, abuse children, rape women, steal, slander and everything else under the sun. But to y’all that’s just life everyday. But oh, don’t let nobody touch the dogs!!! They’re your best friends. Kill everybody in the house, but don’t hurt the dog!!! Get the F#&* outta here with that nonsense. Y’all are just some hypocritical bastards. Really, I know the Bible said that this world would become sick and twisted but I didn’t think people could actually sink this low…
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    I think I speak for virtually everybody who has spoken out here against Michael Vick…. in that none of us are condoning in any way, shape or form “killing other people, abuse children, rape women, steal, slander and everything else under the sun”. What an absolutely ludicrous assertion for you to make.

    I think the far more interesting question is:

    Why can’t you simply acknowledge the historical fact that Michael Vick was despicable person when he was with the Falcolns? It would seem to me that YOU are actually the one that’s dismissing and condoning despicable behavior and character.

  43. cursivel says:Sep 17, 2011 12:03 PM

    WTF???? People really make me sick. Like seriously, I bet all the people that hate Mike Vick supported the Pope when he was touching little boys. The whole lot of you are sick and crooked people. People can kill other people, abuse children, rape women, steal, slander and everything else under the sun. But to y’all that’s just life everyday. But oh, don’t let nobody touch the dogs!!! They’re your best friends. Kill everybody in the house, but don’t hurt the dog!!! Get the F#&* outta here with that nonsense. Y’all are just some hypocritical bastards. Really, I know the Bible said that this world would become sick and twisted but I didn’t think people could actually sink this low…
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    I don’t hate Mike Vick. I could care less if he was black, red, green or polka dotted. It’s the actions of the individual..not the color. There are plenty of white rednecks who do the same thing that Vick did. The only difference is that he was a very public figure who played football and rang an illegal dog fighting ring, yes RAN it, and then boldfaced lied when confronted by both his owner as well as the commish. Give me some data that suggests he isn’t lying right now? Perhaps you are the kind of person who does not respect life on earth. Perhaps you are a person who thinks that humans are the only relevent life on this rock and they are allowed to do anything they please with the lesser species of life on this globe. If you would just step back for a moment and forget Mike Vick the football player for just a second, and instead concentrate on Mike Vick the person, review everything that happened in this saga, you might have a different opinion. I would think you would have plenty of time to reflect in mommy’s basement.

  44. Funny how Vick supporters want everybody to let Vick live, like the world revolves around that dude! Nobody forgets there are other criminals doing crime in the world, no one gives them a free pass just cause they give their opinion about a known dog killer! He’s a dog killer if he what he did to people he wouldn’t be out now so while he is free, It’s part of his legacy supporters get over it!

  45. The jury is still out on Vick’s on-field emergence as a so-called ‘great’ QB ….. Yes, a good 2010 season …. His best …… But this year will determine if Vick has truly reached his norm …..

    I see Vick returning to the QB with a career QB rating of 80.2 …….. I see Vick being (ultimately) benched due to inferior play ….. I see the Eagles (by season’s end) regretting going the Vick-Way to reach the SB ……

    The Vick saga will only get better over the next few months …… Unfortunately, the Eagles will be the team holding the MT bag ……

  46. Falcons turned THEIR backs on Vick? Reeves, you chucklehead, you have it EXACTLY backwards. It was Vick who turned his back on the Birds. Get a clue, Cracky.

  47. I’m an Eagles fan, and I believe Michael Vick is a better person today… but he LIED to the falcons, a team that invested 100 million dollars in him and their whole franchise.. they did not turn their backs on him, he LIED to the team owner instead of confessing the truth. maybe if he was honest with the team they would have stood by him. if they didnt, then u could say they turned their backs on him.

  48. managod777 says:

    Hearing all this hate spewing out about Vick lets me stay aware of the fact that I live in America…the same America that elected a Black president and proceeds to disrespect him like no other in my lifetime. If you’re black, the rules are different and tolerance is much less. You don’t have the same expectations of a real, I mean white American. That’s what it is…FOR REAL!!!
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    A) Don’t you dare turn around and accuse the world of being racist because Michael Vick has done despicable things in his past and there are people out there like us that see it for what it actually is. It’s fact and has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with his personal character, values and the facts of his disgusting actions.

    B) The fact that this United States of America elected Barack Obama to the Presidency in the first place PROVES that we’re NOT a racist nation. The fact that Obama has failed miserably in his performance in office is the reason the citizenry of our Nation show more and more disrespect of him. It’s what he’s earned in his performance and has nothing to do with race.

    C) Another fact here: Your comments above are racist and you owe everybody here whom they were directed at an apology.

  49. jimmytwotimes says: Sep 17, 2011 1:03 PM

    When vick is down in Atlanta this weekend maybe he can drop off the 6,000,000 he owes Blank ! The hobo bum has bad credit and most likely won’t pay up !
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    What kind of bum lives in a mansion and makes more money in a month than your family combined will make in their lives?

  50. I have a lot of respect for Dan Reeves, but it sounds like he’s still mad at the Falcons for firing him.

    Although, there are some Falcons fans who agree with Reeves, I don’t think the Falcons had much choice but to sever ties with Vick.

  51. Dan Reeves tried to run John Elway out of town for girl-handed Tommy Maddox. He also tried to trade Elway to the Redskins and then wasn’t man enough to admit it after the fact.

  52. i don’t bear any ill will towards vick. he screwed my team over back in the day, but it’s not a perfect world. i still enjoy watching him play. he is still a freak of an athlete. i hope he doesn’t beat the falcons this week, but he probably will. he certainly “paid his debt to society” and by all accounts he really used his time in prison to try to become a better person. if everyone who went to the slammer did that it would be a lot better country. he has helped more animals than he ever hurt by giving so much money to the humane society. BUT there is one thing i am still waiting for. that apology to the dogs. as a dog lover i see dogs as having a lot deeper perception of life than almost any other animal other than people. (science backs that up) so i just want to know vick “gets it” and is really sorry not just for the people he let down, but the dogs. thus my earlier suggestion for the wording of his apology. if i could hear that, the slate would be cleaned completely. but for now, he is 80% there anyway.

  53. ” godly men ” have harmed little boys for decades/ maybe centuries ( many of the posters here were probably victims in a synagogue ).

    How many of the men of the cloth have served jail time !

    Ask yourself, who is worse:

    1. The men of the cloth that harm your children

    2. Hunters that kill animals for sport ( not food )

    3. A person that fights animals

    From the posts , the value system in this country is ” you can harm our children ” BUT don’t mess with our dumb dog.

  54. managod777 says: Sep 17, 2011 11:43 AM

    I wonder…if Tom Brady did something that landed him in jail in his late 20′s, would he have been cut off like black players always are?

    But Tom Brady didn’t break the law, did he? As for black players “always” being cut off… that’s a load of crap and you know it. Unless you can provide the list right here.

    I don’t really give much of a damn about dogs because many whites equated slaves to dogs, many of them lower. So his 2 years were too severe.

    You’re persistently dumb, aren’t you? He didn’t do any time whatsoever, not one day, for killing dogs. His time was entirely for a federal racketeering charge, which had to do with an illegal gambling operation. He was let off scot-free on the dog charges because the state decided to not press charges. What was that about black athletes having it hard again?

    Why doesn’t PITA speak for underfed children in this country, along with underfed cats and dogs? Humans trump animals every time.

    I don’t know, why aren’t you in the Peace Corps? Does every organization have to speak for everything? Add up the number of organizations like PETA (“pita” is a type of bread, moron)… it’s tiny compared to human charities. That’s three stupid comments from you in a row, now.

    Congratulations, managod777 (even a dumb user name!): you are officially the dumbest and most ignorant person I’ve ever seen on these boards. You are an excellent reminder that dogs can, in fact, be far superior to humans at times.

  55. @backindasaddle, If you had read my first post, I haven’t excused Michael for what he’s done. But he’s changed his life so get off his freaking back. Everybody deserves a chance to change their lives no matter what they’ve done. WHO THE HELL IS ANYBODY TO DENY SOMEBODY THAT RIGHT???? That my friend is my point. He’s paid his debt. I DON’T CONDONE ANY WRONGDOING. I just don’t see how people are still talking about this when there are MUCH MUCH bigger issues in the world. Get over yourselves. No body is a saint, nor has the right to cast any stone. Nobody can stand before God, with their chest pushed out like they’re righteous. Cause we’re ALL sinners. I just don’t like the fact that everybody continues to jump on this man, a man that paid the price for his behavior and has been a model citizen since being out of jail.

  56. once again my post is deleted – all these racist posts on here and mine gets deleted?????
    what happened to freedom of speech? i guess you can say whatever you want – unless it’s something negative about a player who happens to be black – regardless of what laws he broke – I think rothlisberger is complete scum – and he’s not black…….. i call it like it is – regardless of race

  57. santolonius says:

    “by all accounts he really used his time in prison to try to become a better person.”

    *******************************************************************

    Be careful with that. You must understand that is his “redemption” has been carefully crafted by handlers and coaches telling him what to do and say. They say….give money to this cause…go this charitable event….say this and don’t say that. It’s all handled very very deliberately and with great calculation.

    I’m not saying that Michael has not an epiphany and come to realize that he was a rotten person and decide to change. He very well may have. All I’m saying is that I’ll need to see a whole lot more [i]genuine goodness[i/] from him before I personally would ever consider him to be redeemed.

  58. “Eagles coach Andy Reid, a wizard when it comes to getting the most out of quarterbacks”

    Hmmm a #1 overall draft pick and a #2 overall at QB, and no championships say otherwise.

  59. For your halftime entertainment dog drowning at the 50 yard line, we’re weening Mike Vick away from his evil ways. We believe this support system will be best for Michael and his problems. The Atlanta Falcons and Dan Reeves thank you for your support and understanding. Woof Woof

  60. I seriously hope everybody that comes on here to bash Vick wrote, called or e-mailed the NFL when they let Donte Stallworth back into the league. You remember the guy that got drunk and drove over an innocent man and served no real time, except a one year suspension from the league.

    Funny cause if a football player killing a taxpaying, citizen isn’t going to get you flared up you should really let the dog thing go, by now. Of course most liberal wimps put the life of a human lower than that of dog, you can legally bury in your yard.

  61. Eaglesblow are you remotely into watching football? I’m not an Andy fan bit how can u deny his ability to make QBs better? Jeff Garcia Koy Detmer Donovan mcnabb all won more playoff games under Andy reid than the cowboys have won in the last 15 years. Put a sock in it dummy

  62. This whole story ( if you wanna call it one) can be summed up by Reeves own admission that: “I wasn’t there so I don’t know the organization’s standpoint, but I thought they could have been more supportive and instead they severed ties with him.”

    Hey, Dan, nobody really cares what you “think”, so just STFU about things you admit you know nothing about.

  63. to jh500″ What kind of bum lives in a mansion and makes more than my family combined in a month you ask” ? One that needs to make some more money by participating in a dog fighting ring !

  64. I’m not an Andy fan bit how can u deny his ability to make QBs better?

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    The results dont lie and the Cowboys have nothing to do with Andy Reid’s limitations (except how they exploit them).

  65. One more time…he was wrong, but they were freaking DOGS!!! Most of the world eats them, like we eat chicken, pigs and cows.

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    Most of the world also treats women like second class citizens. If you want to live like the rest of the world lives, maybe you should join them and leave us silly Americans to our silly laws.

  66. Ask yourself, who is worse:

    1. The men of the cloth that harm your children

    2. Hunters that kill animals for sport ( not food )

    3. A person that fights animals

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    It’s not a question of what’s worse. There is room for all of the above to be very bad.

  67. “I wonder…if Tom Brady did something that landed him in jail in his late 20′s, would he have been cut off like black players always are?”

    What do you mean “like black players always are”? There are at least two black players in the NFL that have been to prison and currently play in the NFL. How many white players?

    Also, does anyone remember that the Atlanta HC just quit? Pretty damaging, don’t you think?

    “Let’s have perspective. I don’t really give much of a damn about dogs because many whites equated slaves to dogs, many of them lower. So his 2 years were too severe. He simply broke the law.”

    That’s what happens sometimes when you break the law.

    “Why doesn’t PITA speak for underfed children in this country, along with underfed cats and dogs?”

    Because their official focus as an organization is the treatment of animals. You might as well ask why the NFL doesn’t lobby to change the DH rule in MLB.

    You’re just pretending to be this dumb, right?

  68. Everybody deserves a chance to change their lives no matter what they’ve done. WHO THE HELL IS ANYBODY TO DENY SOMEBODY THAT RIGHT????

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    You have the right to your opinion that Vick has changed his life. I have a right to my opinion that it’s all just PR. Vick has to stay out of trouble for the rest of his life to prove your opinion right. He has to get in trouble just one more time for mine to be right. Good luck.

  69. Dan Reeves is an idiot. No wonder he never won a super bowl. When Vick got caught he lied to his owners face and the commissioners face. The team did the right thing. The redemption story is a joke. Vick is only sorry he got caught

  70. I agree with Dan Reeves. Also, the Falcons screwed Reeves over also.

    This is why you still have people in ATL who support and still cheer for Vick. You can make all the excuses that you want…but that is a fact. He still has people who cheer for him…and hate Ryan.

  71. The Falcons did the right thing. They are not like the sleazy eagles who sold their pride for a few points and wins. Karma will visit the eagles and keep them trophyless for a long time. Eagles an vick s%*@!

  72. Great point Umbra7 !

    Not only do people in Atlanta still support Vick, according to NFL.com, his Jersey is one of the top selling jerseys in the league.

    People around the nation know that the guy got a raw deal !

    The criminals that sent our nation to war and said there were WMD’s in Ir@q are still free !!!

    There is more uproar over some dumb dogs ( so stupid they eat their own feces ) more so than over the human lives lost in war !

  73. Seems like the media and fans have been able to “move on” regarding Rothlesberger and Favre and not Vick. I wonder why?

  74. I respect the heck out of coach Reeves, but that is nonsense. It’s like Buress still being mad that the Giants didn’t back him up or that Eli didn’t visit or write him.

    I have friends I work with and if one of them commuted a felony and list their job the way he did I wouldn’t want him around either. My grand dad told me once and it stuck with me my entire life. You can tell the character of a man by the company he keeps.

    The Falcons had every right as well as a moral responsibility to distance themselves from Vick and even though the man did his time, that doesn’t mean they need to welcome him back or even be on speaking terms with him. Last year when he ran up the score you could tell it was personal to his dog killer side to avenge this grave misdeed by a franchise that gave him the world and he shot on.

  75. progress2011, agreed man. I was thinking the same thing. Gas is sky high, lying about WMD, thousands of people dead from that and people are all upset over Dog fighting? That’s crazy.

    galatians62, agreed. Why are we still talking about his. No one is talking about Rothlesberger (who still has a pennding case) and Favre.

    To me they should just talk about football. Not this other stuff. I mean, I don’t like Eli Manning, but he was spot on about turning off the volume and not reading the paper.

    Sports reporting is so TMZ now.

  76. What about Dan Heatley, the pro hockey player that was drinking and speeding in his sports car, killed his friend Dan Snyder !!!

    Snyder is a ” human being ” that was killed by a drunk !!!!

    Very little was reported about that. The reports that did surface were more sympathetic towards the drunk dude.

    The killer ( Dan Heatley ) did not serve ONE DAY in jail …..for killing a human !!!

    You know, they say minorities always pull the race card !!! Well, I see why they do because this is a BLATANT double standard.

    A Black guy finances a dog fighting ring= 2 years in Federal Prison.

    A White guy kills his friend while speeding and drinking and driving = sympathetic stories and transfer to another team !!!

    But don’t pull your race card !

  77. umbra7 says: Sep 17, 2011 6:32 PM

    You can make all the excuses that you want…but that is a fact. [Vick] still has people who cheer for him…and hate Ryan.

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    Why does anyone HATE Ryan??

  78. @managod777 says:

    There is no possible way you are a life long Giants fan if you are rooting for Michael Vick to win the super bowl and be the MVP. I don’t care what the situation is.

  79. umbra you sound dumb. Hate Ryan, please explain that.

    Me personally am a Mike Vick fan. I hate the eagles though, go figure. Lol@ a lot of you who STILL have hate for MV. The problem isn’t with Vick anymore, it’s you. You are harboring hate in your heart and that’s not healthy and doesn’t embody the love you supposedly have for animals. The fact that some of you are STILL venting about MV shows you are stuck in the past and not able to view the future for what it is.

    Everybody with me now- GO MIKE VICK!! GO MIKE VICK!! GO MIKE VICK!! Even after he killed those dogs.

    And oh yeah, he can play QB now and is worth every cent of the $100 million contract he just signed.

  80. @mbhcu98

    Another guy telling others what to feel & what to think. Just like Most Vick defenders. Do YOU realize how dumb YOU sound telling others what to feel??

    Everybody with me now- mbhcu98 IS A FOOL!! mbhcu98 IS A FOOL!! mbhcu98 IS A FOOL!!

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