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League could fine for faking injuries if it could be proven

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MDS wrote a great piece earlier this morning that suggested the NFL should fine Giants defenders Deon Grant and linebacker Jacquian Williams after clearly faking injuries last night to slow down the Rams.

I contacted league spokesman Greg Aiello if a fine for faking injury was possible.  The answer is yes “if it could be proven.”

“It’s not a judgment call (‘We think or decided they were faking.’) You would need clear evidence, meaning an admission,” he wrote.

Grant didn’t speak to the media after the game.  We’re sure the Giants will tell him not to admit anything now.

We’d argue that the video evidence here is indisputable.  There is tape of two players falling out of nowhere, and guys laughing about it on the sideline.

Aiello pointed out that the player and medical staff could insist there was an injury, and then what? He pointed to Page 19 of the Rule Book (Rule 4/Game Timing):  “The Competition Committee deprecates feigning injuries, with subsequent withdrawal, to obtain a timeout without penalty.  Coaches are urged to cooperate in discouraging this practice.”

Common sense has be a factor. The Giants were obviously faking injury. The act is as old as football, but it goes against the competitive spirit of the game. We suspect it’s far more offensive to most fans than a group celebration that goes outside of the NFL’s demonstration rules.

This isn’t an issue that comes up often. It’s not soccer. We get the sense that the league isn’t too worried about it.

If the problem became widespread with more high profile examples, then perhaps the NFL would get proactive.

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81 Responses to “League could fine for faking injuries if it could be proven”
  1. ravensfan4life52 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:35 AM

    fine em, suspend em, take em out back and shoot em. no matter what the Giants are still sad

  2. mortimeryoung says: Sep 20, 2011 11:37 AM

    Floyd Mayweather approves of this clearly legal activity.

  3. rph33 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:38 AM

    Easy fix. Make injured players sit out 3 or maybe even 5 plays after an unjury!

  4. darthvincent says: Sep 20, 2011 11:39 AM

    the Giants Organization needs to be fined $250,000 for this…

  5. porkchopexpress1969 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:39 AM

    And they should fine them….This is not the WWE!

  6. skoobyfl says: Sep 20, 2011 11:40 AM

    15:00 Minute timeout for the player solves all injury debates, like the NHL does for infractions.

  7. nagaswan says: Sep 20, 2011 11:40 AM

    The Giants need to cheat to win games, everyone knows that.

  8. to147 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:40 AM

    If it were the Patriots everyone would be screaming ‘cheaters’ and calling for draft picks to be taken away.

  9. mookiest says: Sep 20, 2011 11:40 AM

    “If the problem became widespread with more high profile examples, then perhaps the NFL would get proactive.”

    Actually, if the NFL was to behave in such a manner, that would be”reactive”.

  10. lunarpie says: Sep 20, 2011 11:41 AM

    Bad move League. Just make a new rule that the injured player must not play the rest of the series of downs.

  11. redrew says: Sep 20, 2011 11:42 AM

    The NFL is not a sports league…it is an entertainment league. We all saw the selective replay choices the “officials” were or weren’t scrutinizing.
    The NFL has jumped the shark. This pass happy product without a hint of defense is garbage. So why bother with rules when we can get a 1970’s type NBA product that got the fan 135-128 games without D. I do remember that league needed saving .
    Now the NFL doesn’t do kickoffs. Lets its players flop fake injuries. And THE MAN in the skybox can enforce or dismiss any replay at his choosing. The NFL has become a joke.

  12. richm2256 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:43 AM

    Watch the video.

    Ridiculous.

    For god’s sakes, they could at least just fail to get up after a play. Two guys falling down on a leisurely stroll to the line of scrimmage???

    Giants should be fined.

  13. egls7 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:43 AM

    Don’t worry. Their punishment will be to face the Eagles

  14. bleedgreen says: Sep 20, 2011 11:44 AM

    All they need to say is there was a cramp. It got worked out. No evidence, no real way to prove it wasn’t legitimate.

  15. nhpatsfan says: Sep 20, 2011 11:49 AM

    Or the Chargers players trying to slow down the no-huddle.

  16. pixelito says: Sep 20, 2011 11:49 AM

    They can’t prove the Giants were faking it.

    The end.

  17. edgarpoe2 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:49 AM

    In other words…nothing will happen.

  18. angrycorgi says: Sep 20, 2011 11:50 AM

    The video evidence is rock-solid, in my opinion. It clearly shows flopping by two players at the exact same time, which shows some evidence of a signal being passed to them to do so, which means they needed to know before-hand what the flop signal would be. Now it may be difficult to “prove” the orchestration (though I would argue the synchronous fall to be clear evidence of a coached response), but there is NO way of denying that it was a flop. Put them both (and the coaching staff if you like) under the scrutiny of a lie-detector and see. This isn’t an issue that falls inline with the admissibility rules of a public court, so a lie detector result COULD be all that is needed to hand down a punishment to the players and possibly the organization.

  19. nineroutsider says: Sep 20, 2011 11:51 AM

    They may have been faking, but they didn’t need to…the McDaniels effect is already in full force in St. Louis and I love it.

    He can move the ball between the 30’s like the 2008 Patriots, but he doesn’t protect his QB or call good plays on the other side of the 30. The Rams don’t have the receivers yet to play his offense and he still calls their number…as a Niner fan I think its great.

    There is your supposed NFC West winner in action, not to pretty on the eyes (nor were the Giants though).

  20. Single Filament says: Sep 20, 2011 11:53 AM

    Stupid caveat. players obviously lack integrity, or else they wouldn’t have faked the injury in the first place. why would they tell the truth?

    If its obvious, just fine them. You don’t need their confession for this.

  21. runrickyrun34 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:53 AM

    Are the players that stupid where they need to be told not to tell the media they faked an injury? They should put that on the Wondurlic (however it’s spelled) Test: “What do you do if a reporter asks you if you faked an injury?” Oh god! What do I say? Uh…..NO!

  22. runrickyrun34 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:55 AM

    They both may have had a raging case of Narcalepsy. It’s a serious problem.

  23. flakazoid says: Sep 20, 2011 11:55 AM

    What’s even worse than that is what Harbaugh did last year in the playoffs against the Steelers. The Steelers came up a yard short on third down and were hustling up to the line to quick-snap and Harbaugh threw the challenge flag to stop the play. Who the hell challenges when the other team doesn’t make a first down?!?! What a weasel!

  24. radrntn says: Sep 20, 2011 11:56 AM

    it’s part of the game, let it be.

    What I want to know is why do we have to change the game….the ol saying if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it….but know we need to move kickoff forward so we lose the most exciting play, we can’t tackle with the helmet, so no more good hits, the qb now wears a dress with a bumper around his waist, so you can’t play smear the queer anymore……..what’s up?

  25. ruggerlad says: Sep 20, 2011 11:59 AM

    THE NFL IS TURNING INTO A MICKEY MOUSE LEAGUE! THIS IS NOT FOOTBALL IT IS MORE LIKE ULTIMATE FRISBEE. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    LET THE BOYS PLAY D! IF A WR THINKS HE IS GONNA GET HIT HARD HE CAN SELL OUT AND TALK TO HIS QB ABOUT IT IF HE CHOOSES! OR HE CAN BE A MAN PLAYING WHAT WAS ONCE A MANS SPORT AND TAKE A LICK.
    MAN UP!

  26. angrycorgi says: Sep 20, 2011 11:59 AM

    Giants should be fined for being such an awful team first, then they should be fined for not being able to stop the Rams (sans #1 WR and sans #1 RB) of all teams from rolling them.

  27. ruggerlad says: Sep 20, 2011 12:00 PM

    NO MORE FINES/SUSPENSIONS/PENALTIES FOR NICE HITS! DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE

  28. hystoracle says: Sep 20, 2011 12:01 PM

    Surprised Grant didn’t pull a groin with his slide. This is a joke. If NFL doesn’t put a stop to this now it will get rampant. Waiting for the criminal to confess isn’t the best way to hand out punishment for offenses. If the judicial system worked that way there would be a lot of empty jail cells.

  29. revengeofthefilthymcnasty says: Sep 20, 2011 12:03 PM

    What a joke.

  30. pastabelly says: Sep 20, 2011 12:05 PM

    Ridiculously hard to prove one way or the other, especially during a game. What do people want? Instant MRIs on the field? There is already more than enough for officials to do beyone discerning when someone is actually injured or faking it. Teams are going to look to get every edge they can even if it means pumping in fake crowd noise.

  31. gcsuk says: Sep 20, 2011 12:09 PM

    Fine them
    Fine the team.
    Suspend the players.
    Because NO TEAM has EVER done this before, and would NEVER do this again!

  32. doug1grohlin says: Sep 20, 2011 12:09 PM

    to147 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:40 AM

    If it were the Patriots everyone would be screaming ‘cheaters’ and calling for draft picks to be taken away.
    —————————————————————
    I’ve seen people screaming this in other threads and I agree too. That is too blatant and a slap in the face.

    Don’t get me wrong, I hate Billecheat too, but this has nothing to do with the Patriots.

  33. tundey says: Sep 20, 2011 12:11 PM

    Simple solution: allow only substitution of the injured player. And no gatorade break!

  34. gcsuk says: Sep 20, 2011 12:11 PM

    angrycorgi says: Sep 20, 2011 11:59 AM

    Giants should be fined for being such an awful team first, then they should be fined for not being able to stop the Rams (sans #1 WR and sans #1 RB) of all teams from rolling them.
    ———————————————————————–
    Yep, pretty sad that they weren’t able to stop them…even without their starting DE, starting CB, starting MLB, nickel CB, 1st backup DE, 1st backup WLB, etc…

    If you’re going to play the “injury card” for the Rams, then at least play it for both sides.

  35. favreforever says: Sep 20, 2011 12:11 PM

    Those two bozos don’t have the brain power to fake an injury. Between them. League should go after that angry old man with the twisted grimace who coaches them.

  36. slemmebo says: Sep 20, 2011 12:13 PM

    If you are injured you are out for the rest of the drive… That will keep them upright

  37. rootintootinnootin says: Sep 20, 2011 12:16 PM

    Seems like an easy fix.

    Make the injured player sit out for the rest of the series. Of course, then the least valuable players on the field will fake it… but they’ll have to play a snap or two before it happens.

    Of course, if the team with an injured player spends a timeout… they can keep that player on the field.

  38. favreforever says: Sep 20, 2011 12:16 PM

    Suddenly realizing they had a pocket full of posies, Grant and Williams said, “Ah shoot, ah shoot!”, and they both fell down.

  39. johngaltwho says: Sep 20, 2011 12:19 PM

    Clear cheating. Lets be honest – as someone said earlier – if it was the Patriots, alot more people would be screaming about systematic cheating and investigations into previous behavior. They at least should be questioned by the NFL – make them sit in front of a committee, watch the video that we are all seeing – and make them explain the injury. While its not really enforcement, they will think twice before doing it again, or at least we’ll get to see some better acting in the future. Either way – problem solved.

  40. tiger2471 says: Sep 20, 2011 12:25 PM

    It was so obvious that these clowns were faking the injuries; which is pretty sad seeing it was against the Rams. The Rams shot themselves in the foot the entire game and gave the game to the Giants, the Giants didn’t TAKE it that’s for sure. Hell the Rams shut them down four straight drives 3 and out and were in the redzone 3 times after each failure to continue the drive by the Giants but kicked field goals. And to fake an injury is blatant cheating, they suck and it will show when they play another legitimate more polished team.

  41. Topher says: Sep 20, 2011 12:25 PM

    Roger as no problem bending the rulebook to suspend college rule breakers for something about the integrity of the game.

    Now we have an honest to goodness I integrity issue…

  42. jakek2 says: Sep 20, 2011 12:25 PM

    Relax drama queens. Faking injuries is nothing new. Teams do it ALL the time. The Giants are just not as good at it as other teams.

    If Goodell gave the defenses a prayer to stop offenses these days, players wouldn’t have to resort to gaining whatever competitive advantage they can get.

  43. dcrams20 says: Sep 20, 2011 12:26 PM

    Yes – it’ pretty pathetic. You’re getting your jockstrap handed to you so you pull a slimy soccer stunt. And these two clowns couldn’t even get it right – they both fell at the same time! (Looked like some awkward pre-school song & dance.)

    Now, just the fact that I compared them to soccer players ought to be humiliating enough, but I like Mike & Mike’s idea this morning: Any injured player has to remain out for the remainder of that drive.

    Whatever they do, the NFL needs to nip this in the bud… and fast!

  44. radiofriendly420 says: Sep 20, 2011 12:27 PM

    Why fine the players? That doesn’t help the team that is being cheated…

    A new rule is needed.

    1) If a player gets injured and the game needs to stop to assist the player, the injured player may not return to the game until a change of possession has occurred.

    This keeps players from faking injuries. They know they won’t be able to play until that change of possession has occurred.

    If a defensive player is hurt and has to leave the field and the offense scores, comes out and kicks an onside kick and gets the ball, that player still may not return to the game because a change of possession has not occurred. The injured player may only come back once a change of possession has occurred.

    This gives an offense a strategic advantage should a player “fake” an injury.

    This helps the team that is being wronged, rather than lightly scraping the dishonest players pocket book. Fining a player that fakes an injury isn’t going to do anything to help the hurry up offense that is working for the team playing them.

    It doesn’t make sense to fine a player after the fact for something you can’t prove. You can prevent it by taking the player out of the game. This also helps the team that just had to deal with this issue as well.

    Fining is not the answer. Implementing an injury rule in which an “injured” player can’t return to the game makes WAY more sense…to me anyways…

  45. arlingtonassasin says: Sep 20, 2011 12:27 PM

    You jokers screaming ” fine everyone ” need to wake up. Don’t be mad at the Giants ( who WON by the way) get mad at the league. Their rules. Their issue. And it has been happening for DECADES. Really you think this hasn’t happened before????

  46. pixelito says: Sep 20, 2011 12:27 PM

    You can’t prove it.

    Haha!

  47. zaggs says: Sep 20, 2011 12:28 PM

    Here is the problem. If the league did anything against the Giants, would it not be required to go after punters and kickers who fake contact to draw fouls? Those are higher instances of cheating, yet no one complains.

  48. Zebra Blog says: Sep 20, 2011 12:29 PM

    Simple solution: League should ask for an affidavit from the team doctor whenever a dive is suspected. He must answer truthfully about his medical opinion. The Hippocratic oath means you can’t be a hypocritical oaf.

  49. enrgy2burn says: Sep 20, 2011 12:30 PM

    they should make a rule that stipulates that, should a player cause a timeout due to injury, the personnel on the field cannot be changed except for the injured player. I think the NHL has a similar rule for certain situations.

    in this instance, it is clear someone was yelling from the sideline to drop since both players did it simultaneously. a tape from the sidelines would probably tell the tale… you know, the guys with those big plastic satellite dish lookin things that grab audio.

  50. hiperactivodg says: Sep 20, 2011 12:31 PM

    The solution is simple, just do it the way FIFA does it, the game goes on and the injured player is ignored or taken out for a while and no one can come in and play in his place!. If the official thinks they’re faking they book the guy, the official could award 15 yards to the opposing team, the guy gets his “medical attention” and the team gets the TO but for a 15 yards penalty.

  51. m2karateman says: Sep 20, 2011 12:31 PM

    bleedgreen says:
    Sep 20, 2011 11:44 AM
    All they need to say is there was a cramp. It got worked out. No evidence, no real way to prove it wasn’t legitimate.
    ——————————————————
    I agree. It looked like menstrual cramps to me. My wife shows the same symptoms once a month.

  52. seanmmartin says: Sep 20, 2011 12:32 PM

    After the “injury,” take the player out of the game for the remainder of the series, and do not allow another substitution until the following play ends.

    Example:

    Rams complete a thirty-yard bomb inside the Giants’ redzone. Two defenders plop to the ground like sissies. Referees call time because they’re doing their job. The two morons are taken off the field to “be examined” for the remainder of the drive. Play resumes with just two substitutions. After said play finishes, substitutions can be made as regulated.

    Seems fair, right?

  53. jamiebuf12 says: Sep 20, 2011 12:38 PM

    the giants were faking injuries in the super bowl against the bills to slooow down jim kellys no huddle……that crap started with bill bellecheat…….

  54. gassiusclay says: Sep 20, 2011 12:44 PM

    While agree that something should be done, what do you do about players who think they are hurt? More and more physicians and trainers tell players to stay down if they hear “pops” or feel pulls, etc…especially when it comes to head/neck region. I would like the NFL to do something about the flopping exhibited by this thread’s video’s…either stop players from playing the rest of the series, or make a mandatory number of missed snaps post injury…but how would one regulate it?

  55. auntiemm says: Sep 20, 2011 12:54 PM

    GRRRRREAT!!! Can see where this is going. We’ll be sitting here through the playoffs; and, God forbid the Super Bowl, hearing stories how one team lost a game because the other staged moves usually reserved for the old ‘studio wrestling’ days. If the team doesn’t deal with it now the league should.

  56. gregjennings85 says: Sep 20, 2011 1:00 PM

    I am a rarity in the US; I love the NFL and soccer. I have to tell you, the NFL has to nip this in the bud NOW, diving is the worst part of soccer.

    Those 2 were obviously faking, as they were standing fine, right before that. Hefty fines, and a minimum down absence will be the only thing to remedy this.

    (Those 2 should have to leave the game, and cannot return at any point in that defensive series. I suggest that, as many players have incentive-laden contracts and will be very much adverse to leaving the action for an extended period of time. Also, the coaching staff’s, at a minimum, should be fined.)

  57. jpb12 says: Sep 20, 2011 1:05 PM

    Implies they can diagnose from Goodell’s office in New York Jets facility.

    Just make the guy sit out the rest of the offensive or defensive series.

  58. cowboyfaninut says: Sep 20, 2011 1:13 PM

    Shows how talented this giants defense is. A good defense does not have to resort to such bush league tactics.

  59. uwsptke says: Sep 20, 2011 1:17 PM

    This could spread like wildfire if unenforced.

    How many times have we seen a team driving with under a minute and no timeouts, with a defense protecting against the out route. The QB dumps it off over the middle which is wide open, but the receiver is tackled before he can get out of bounds. If there isn’t enough time to get the FG unit out on the field before time expires, now the guy can just lay there and pretend to be hurt? Playclock stops, and when play resumes the FG unit is magically on the field.

    This WILL happen if nothing is done to protect against it.

  60. omegaichiban says: Sep 20, 2011 1:25 PM

    Why does Williams hop right back up?

  61. depotnator says: Sep 20, 2011 1:26 PM

    Is there a fine for faking football knowledge?

  62. mikeyveli says: Sep 20, 2011 1:28 PM

    Don’t worry, all the game needs is about 10 fake injuries in a game when some team is playing against Tom brady’s no huddle and the league WILL intervene and stop all these unsportsmanlike conduct. This is American football. Not pansy a55 international diving football.

  63. gcsuk says: Sep 20, 2011 1:30 PM

    angrycorgi says: Sep 20, 2011 11:50 AM

    Put them both (and the coaching staff if you like) under the scrutiny of a lie-detector and see. This isn’t an issue that falls inline with the admissibility rules of a public court, so a lie detector result COULD be all that is needed to hand down a punishment to the players and possibly the organization.
    ————————————————————————

    I love how people will complain “There are too many rules…the league is getting in the way…let the players play!”, and now you want lie-detector tests?!?!
    How about they just let the refs administer Sodium Pentathol (truth serum) right there on the sideline and get an answer during a commercial break?

  64. Henry says: Sep 20, 2011 1:53 PM

    Chargers did the same thing against the Patriots on Sunday afternoon.

  65. bangerang91 says: Sep 20, 2011 1:54 PM

    If they allow this to continue, Pro Football will go the way of European Football, with players flopping around on the turf when they get touches, to get a free kick.

  66. harleyrider1973 says: Sep 20, 2011 1:55 PM

    For those out there says “you cant prove they were faking so you cant punish them…this isn’t criminal court you dont get the presumption of Innocents. When its obvious this this was the league should take action…period.

  67. jpb12 says: Sep 20, 2011 1:58 PM

    Looks like someone shot them both. Maybe a taser.

  68. apetits says: Sep 20, 2011 2:01 PM

    Biggest bunch of b*tches in the game, hands down.

  69. ronworthdubbs says: Sep 20, 2011 2:08 PM

    You people are idiots. If an offense feels the need to run a hurry up offense when there is actually no hurry (not close to half/end of game) just so the D can’t substitute, that’s an unfair advantage for the Offense. For only the Offense to be able to dictate if it will substitute solely on the fact that it has the ball is preposterous. The Defense should be allowed to substitute when need be as much as the Offense. This is just smart. What next? Timeouts can only be used on Offense? Think, dummies.

  70. johngaltwho says: Sep 20, 2011 2:09 PM

    The ref should handle it just like my father would have done if I tried that during a football game. “You wanna lay down with a fake injury – I’ll give you a reason to lay down – thwack! – there – now you can lay down… lets go – play ball!”

  71. hairpie says: Sep 20, 2011 2:38 PM

    They are directly influencing the outcome of the game by doing this. its CHEATING. wait till ESPN blows the top off this scandal! they are unbiased and fair!

    oh…. wait…… :(

  72. Ralphie says: Sep 20, 2011 2:44 PM

    arlingtonassasin says:

    “… it has been happening for DECADES. Really you think this hasn’t happened before????
    ______________________

    Of course it has, if an average fan sat back and thought about it they could easily recall a few of these faking situations in the past. But this is PFT, the fellowship of the retarded; stories like this are like chum to a school of Piranha’s.

  73. gcsuk says: Sep 20, 2011 3:27 PM

    uwsptke says: Sep 20, 2011 1:17 PM

    This could spread like wildfire if unenforced.

    How many times have we seen a team driving with under a minute and no timeouts, with a defense protecting against the out route. The QB dumps it off over the middle which is wide open, but the receiver is tackled before he can get out of bounds. If there isn’t enough time to get the FG unit out on the field before time expires, now the guy can just lay there and pretend to be hurt? Playclock stops, and when play resumes the FG unit is magically on the field.

    This WILL happen if nothing is done to protect against it.
    ———————————————————————
    You’re right. Play clock stops for an injury. And if it’s in the last 2 minutes of the half/game, and the injured players team has no time outs, there is a 10 second run off on the clock. That would, in your scenario, end the game.

    Asked and answered. It’s magic.

  74. nicosanchez02 says: Sep 20, 2011 3:51 PM

    How about a yellow card, no wait, a red one, oh… never mind thats the other futbol!

  75. geezohman says: Sep 20, 2011 3:52 PM

    I remember in Varsity soccer in college, our team needed a ‘time out ‘ but couldn’t for what ever reason… i distinctly remember though the players telling one of the players on the field, who may have been mildly hurt but wanted to come off… to ‘lay’ down ! lol

    ahhhhh.. sports

  76. dirtdawg55 says: Sep 20, 2011 4:03 PM

    Exactly what “evidence” does league need? They make subjective calls all the time on other fines based on nothing more than video, so why so scared to make the call on this based on the video? And if you aren’t prepared to do that, then change the rules for injury timeouts. Force teams to sit out players longer. Or force them to give their players better acting lessons. But bur your head in the sand on a blatant abuse of the rules?

    C’mon man!

  77. holdthemayo123 says: Sep 20, 2011 4:03 PM

    They should definitely get fined – precedent should be set that you have to at least give an effort to faking it.

  78. shamburg says: Sep 20, 2011 4:11 PM

    The Giants should lose a draft pick for this.

  79. stavreafavre says: Sep 20, 2011 4:25 PM

    Just what the NFL needs, guys falling down like in soccer. No quicker way to kill the game.

  80. jimmytwotimes says: Sep 20, 2011 4:48 PM

    If the dream team did it this site would say Andy Reid was a genius !

  81. granadafan says: Sep 20, 2011 8:42 PM

    Make the “injured” player sit out from entering the field of play for specified minimum time (say 10 minutes) if their “injury” causes the clock to be stopped at any point or is prevented from starting within a normal flow of the game.

    Soccer punishes divers with a yellow card, but the implications of a card are so high refs are loathe to call out the fakers. If soccer followed the same rule that anyone being taken off by a stretcher must sit out for a period of time, that stuff would stop too.

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