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Ref was powerless on Giants’ fake injuries, but NFL is not

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Two New York Giants blatantly faked injuries on Monday night to give their defense time to change personnel while the St. Louis Rams were in the red zone, pretending to be hurt to gain an advantage in a violation of all the basic principles of good sportsmanship and fair play.

And there’s not a thing the referee could do about it.

It was obvious to everyone watching that Giants defensive back Deon Grant and linebacker Jacquian Williams were faking when they flopped to the ground during the first quarter of Monday’s game (video here). The Rams had marched inside the Giants’ 10-yard line and were lining up for another play, and the Giants wanted to get their goal-line package on the field, so they took a free timeout by pretending to be hurt.

This is an unfortunate situation where the referee can see obvious cheating, but he can’t do anything. Referees aren’t doctors, so the NFL doesn’t want them to assess whether a player is really hurt or not. So referees always stop the clock if there’s a player claiming to be hurt, regardless of whether that claim is legitimate.

It’s been a problem at all levels of football. As the coordinator of officials for the Pac-10 Conference said last year when opposing teams faked injuries to slow down Oregon’s offense, “We’re stuck. The only thing an official can do – and this is at every level – is if they see what looks like an injury, they have to stop the clock. We can’t get in the business of deciding whether it’s valid or not.”

Players faking injuries to get the clock to stop is nothing new: It goes back at least as far as 1953, when a Notre Dame player named Frank Varrichione pretended to faint in order to give his team (dubbed “the Fainting Irish”) enough time to run an extra play to tie the score against Iowa.

“I faint dead to the world,” Varrichione admitted years later. “Naturally, everybody gets suspicious. But what other choice does the ref really have? So he blows his whistle.”

We’ve seen it in the NFL, too. When Patriots linebacker Willie McGinest went down with an alleged injury late in the fourth quarter of a 2003 game against the Colts, only to “recover” a minute later to get back on the field and make the game-saving tackle, Peyton Manning fumed, “That was an amazing recovery. I thought they should have been penalized for having to stop the clock with no timeouts.” Former Bengals coach Sam Wyche got so angry when opponents faked injuries to slow down his no-huddle offense that he said he thought the referees should award his team a touchdown as a penalty for a “palpably unfair act.”

But while there is a catchall rule on the books that allows the referee to enforce “palpably unfair acts,” the NFL would never tell referees to try to figure out whether a player is faking or not. The last thing the NFL — with its emphasis on player safety — wants to do is have referees forcing players to stay on the field when they’re saying they’re hurt. As unfair as it is, faking an injury isn’t something that referees should penalize in the heat of the moment, without time to adequately assess a player’s condition.

After the game, however, it’s another story. The league office has time to review the game tape and assess what happened. And then the NFL should issue steep fines to both Grant and Williams, and to the Giants as a team, because this appeared to be a coordinated effort. That’s the best way to send a message that faking injuries won’t be tolerated.

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154 Responses to “Ref was powerless on Giants’ fake injuries, but NFL is not”
  1. wawa33 says: Sep 20, 2011 9:35 AM

    Todd Haley fakes being a head coach every week.

  2. kisstherings says: Sep 20, 2011 9:36 AM

    The same thing happened in the Pats/Chargers game dude. Brady was hovering over Shaun Phillips like a hummingbird while he was laying on the ground because he knew Phillips was tanking it to slow down the Pats no huddle O

  3. coutre says: Sep 20, 2011 9:37 AM

    No way the league office goes against its darling Giants.

  4. christinamer says: Sep 20, 2011 9:37 AM

    If you have to cheat… you aren’t that good!

  5. njjeff73 says: Sep 20, 2011 9:38 AM

    So the team cheats by faking injuries and the fans cheer a rapist/sex offender. Go Giants!

  6. cakemixa says: Sep 20, 2011 9:38 AM

    Can the NFL fine Eli Manning for pretending to be a QB every week?

  7. hendawg21 says: Sep 20, 2011 9:39 AM

    What a sham…and to think St. Louis beat themselves not so much the Giants beat them and without two of their offensive weapons!!! The G-Men are frauds…

  8. kellyb9 says: Sep 20, 2011 9:43 AM

    Personally when McGinest did it, I thought, “Wow, what a veteran play!” Knowing the situation and doing anything you can to help your team win. When players do it in the first quarter because they are winded as we saw in the Chargers-Patriots game, I thought, “Wow, what a pathetic player!”

  9. tv426 says: Sep 20, 2011 9:43 AM

    Easy to fix – don’t allow substitutions into the game for the D (unless the O also subs in players).
    Simple!

    Now them doing this so the D can catch their breath, that is a bit harder to fix.

  10. fazsha says: Sep 20, 2011 9:44 AM

    This is an easy fix – the player who is injured is out for the rest of the quarter. Period.

  11. jw731 says: Sep 20, 2011 9:45 AM

    Hell……They were playing the freakin Rams, at home…..No reason for this..With She-Li, a “ahem” top5 QB…And don’t even try to say this wasn’t in their gameplan,most players are too stupid to do this on their own…Typical low class NY manuever…..

  12. gf2711 says: Sep 20, 2011 9:45 AM

    Why don’t they just allow the injured player off the field and substitute that player only? Doesn’t make sense to allow for everyone to change when there was clearly a hurry-up situation.

  13. captainwisdom8888 says: Sep 20, 2011 9:45 AM

    Faking injury is far from an honorable thing to do, but while it’s legal these players would be fools not to take advantage of it. Players don’t construct the rules, they can only attempt to play within the guidelines set by league officials and this is clearly something the bigwigs overlooked.

  14. 123fafafa says: Sep 20, 2011 9:46 AM

    Fake injury is what futbol supposed to do.

    Check those players over in Europe playing futbol (soccer).

  15. glennfs says: Sep 20, 2011 9:46 AM

    I disagree. I understand the concern, but refs in soccer will give yellow cards for diving (doesn’t happen enough), and refs in hockey give penalties for “embellishment”.

    If the faking is pretty blatant (like when there there’s no time outs left and the guy comes back in the very next play), i think 15 yards and a new set of downs sounds fair. Would probably make coaches think twice about instructing players to do this.

    Part of the reason we love football is because it’s so tough. Diving and faking injury is for soccer. do what you have to to keep it out of the NFL.

  16. tundey says: Sep 20, 2011 9:47 AM

    How about this: if a defensive player goes down injured when the offense is clearly in a no-huddle drive, the defense is only allowed to substitute for the injured player. So no more whole scale substitution for real and fake injuries.

  17. batyuki says: Sep 20, 2011 9:50 AM

    Hope they get a big time punishment for this !
    That’s a total disrespect to the game…

  18. tundey says: Sep 20, 2011 9:51 AM

    @glennfs: I was with you until you started insulting soccer. Dude, diving, faking and cheating are human nature that shows up regardless of the game. It’s blatant in soccer and the NBA. And sadly it’s now rearing its ugly head in football.

    Charging penalties to the defense is unfair as players do legitimately get injured (it is after all a contact sport). Penalizing the defense would injuries a double whammy. I think they should be allowed to substitute for just the “injured” or injured player. That’s fair and it’ll allow the offense to get on with their no-huddle drive.

  19. charlesbroccoli says: Sep 20, 2011 9:52 AM

    any injured or “injured” player that goes down while the other team is ready to snap the ball should be unable to come back on the field until the next possession.

    or penalize the offending team for delay of game. which it clearly is.

  20. bigslizzle4twizzle says: Sep 20, 2011 9:52 AM

    How do I do this in Madden when someone runs the no huddle and I have the wrong personel on the field and I dont want to burn a timeout????

  21. benh999 says: Sep 20, 2011 9:52 AM

    Perry Fewell can’t even keep the flopping organized.

  22. tmb333 says: Sep 20, 2011 9:54 AM

    Simple solution, if clock is stopped due to an injuries player, that player is out of the game for until 15:00 minutes has ran off the game clock. If player violates 15 minute rule, he is ejected for the game plus a 15 yard penalty is assessed.

  23. baddegg says: Sep 20, 2011 9:55 AM

    The problem is, fines are not likely to work, imo. If you have a choice between taking a fine and winning the game vs. losing the game, you are going for the win. Even if you fine the players, then the teams can find a way to get them the money back.

    Taking away a draft pick may proove to have more teeth, since that could impact future wins. If the punishment doesn’t impact Ws and Ls, I think it won’t do anything.

  24. AlanSaysYo says: Sep 20, 2011 9:55 AM

    Forget fines. Penalize the team for faking injuries. Start with draft picks. See how many players fake injuries when the team starts to lose draft picks.

  25. bturner032002 says: Sep 20, 2011 9:56 AM

    Well we know of two players who won’t be acting after they finish their “fluke” NFL careers.

    signed,
    The Redskins

  26. wwwmattcom says: Sep 20, 2011 9:56 AM

    This sport is more like soccer, players faking housidp for advantage, if you can’t run off the field as the clock ticks you’re done. The athletic trainer will make you run to see if you can still play, why not do that first?

  27. tastethejace says: Sep 20, 2011 9:56 AM

    Nice example of Notre Dame. Not surprised at all.

  28. albanyhawker says: Sep 20, 2011 9:57 AM

    Make injured players sit out the current SERIES instead of just a single play. That should stop the madness right there, and error on the side of player safety.

  29. kalispellmt says: Sep 20, 2011 9:58 AM

    Don’t allow any subs, AND charge them a time out.
    Also, have the NFL review and fine, for habituals.

  30. schnalls says: Sep 20, 2011 9:58 AM

    Give each team 5 time-outs, but change the rule so that every injury takes a time-out away, no matter what quarter it is.

  31. newyorkgmen says: Sep 20, 2011 9:58 AM

    Sure it’s frowned upon, but it’s a good strategy. We obviously saw the Rams were not good enough to get the ball inside the end zone when the Giants were able to get the right personnel in. So in the end, who really isn’t that good? I would say kicking three field goals under 27 yards is not good.

  32. kleppnasty says: Sep 20, 2011 10:00 AM

    Similar to what other people have said, easy solution is if you go down for an injury, real or fake, you are out for that series/drive. Sitting out an entire quarter is too harsh b/c of legit cramps that are a quick fix. But sitting out a series/drive would make it tough for a star defender to justify faking an injury since if it was that important of a drive, they would want to be in there playing.

  33. trollhammer20 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:00 AM

    “Bengals coach Sam Wyche got so angry when opponents faked injuries to slow down his no-huddle offense that he said he thought the referees should award his team a touchdown as a penalty for a “palpably unfair act.””
    _________________________________

    Ah, memories of the 1988-89 playoffs, when Joe Nash was the designated injured Seahawk…

  34. angrycorgi says: Sep 20, 2011 10:01 AM

    The jints are a freaking joke…what a sorry excuse for a football team!

  35. polishrod says: Sep 20, 2011 10:01 AM

    The “hurt” defensive player should come off the field WITH NO SUBSTITUTION allowed. Playing with 10 guys vs playing against the no-huddle may make defensive players think twice about faking it.

    The NFL should fine both players, the head coach and the team. The Giants basically made a joke of the entire game by doing this.

    “Its allowed within the rules” is not a legitimate reason either, I’m pretty sure the rules don’t list anything about fake injuries.

  36. jacunn2000 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:02 AM

    Hahaha, the Giants are now a JOKE! Such a proud organization at one time.. What has happened??? I would be seriously embarrassed Giant fan.

  37. davem23 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:03 AM

    Nevermind fines hand out suspensions, if not to Grant the other player Jacquian Williams, with the pathetic acting job.

    Or use instant replay and charge a timeout for all non-contact related injury stopages.

  38. polishrod says: Sep 20, 2011 10:04 AM

    jw731 says:
    Sep 20, 2011 9:45 AM
    Hell……They were playing the freakin Rams, at home…..No reason for this..With She-Li, a “ahem” top5 QB…And don’t even try to say this wasn’t in their gameplan,most players are too stupid to do this on their own…Typical low class NY manuever…..

    ——————-

    It clearly was not the players, TWO GUYS fell at the same time!!

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they sent some signal from the sideline to do this. Where is that camera angle?

    SHOW US PERRY “JET” FEWELL

  39. eaglesblow says: Sep 20, 2011 10:04 AM

    The Giants are notorious floppers. Brenda Jacobs drew a 15 yard penalty by flopping after Bradie James touched him on his shoulder pad a few years ago. Mara condones this poor sportsmanship so he can suck it AFAIC. Spiking the ball in a cameraman’s face was a little over the top too

  40. davidgq says: Sep 20, 2011 10:04 AM

    Pretty lame. But in the end, blame the Rams for making too many mistakes. They beat themselves. Will we see the Midgets fake injuries every week now since they can’t even stop the Rams O? and Mr I am Elite QB throw more INT? Midgets will be at the bottom of the East for sure if they continue to play like that.

    Championship teams don’t need to fake injuries. Those are for college or HS level.

  41. glennfs says: Sep 20, 2011 10:05 AM

    @tundey:

    I wasn’t really insulting soccer. I was insulting the diving that’s become so pervasive. I happen to really enjoy watching soccer (sometimes), but the blatant diving has made it damn near unwatchable. Part of the reason i enjoyed watching the women’s world cup this year (crazy, right?), was that they seem to dive less than the men.

    Yes diving is human nature and all that – but sports occasionally demands that you repress certain elements of human nature in the name of good sportsmanship and fair competition. I don’t think that’s anything to apologize for.

  42. rmm1984 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:05 AM

    Either make every injury cost a timeout, not just inside 2 minutes. Or, if a player comes out he has to set for a series, not 1 play.

  43. rmm1984 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:06 AM

    ^sit not set.

  44. frankrizzo51 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:06 AM

    Allow the offense to “set and go”. If the defensive player is still on the ground, he’s offside or out of the current play.

  45. 3octaveFart says: Sep 20, 2011 10:06 AM

    fazsha says: Sep 20, 2011 9:44 AM

    “This is an easy fix – the player who is injured is out for the rest of the quarter. Period”

    Wouldn’t work.
    Teams would just send in some bench-warming scrub for one play to fake an injury. No loss.

  46. cowboysfaninbuffalove says: Sep 20, 2011 10:08 AM

    Im not surprised to read this the giants are scum

  47. chazk100 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:09 AM

    Simple fix. If clock is stopped for an ‘injured player’, that player’s team is charged with a time out. If the team has no time outs remaining, that player must sit out the remainder of the half. If the league subsequently determines the player ‘faked’ an injury, then that player must go on IR for remainder of season, with no pay.

  48. billinva says: Sep 20, 2011 10:09 AM

    Miami and the Chargers pulled this crap repeatedly against the Pats.

    Make an injured player sit out a certain number of plays. And if the guy is flopping, like in pro soccer, fine his ass.

  49. holeinone09 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:10 AM

    Pretty tough for a ref to determine if someone is legitimately injured or not, and how severe. I agree with some comments that only let that one injured player substituted for. And, I would have the injured player have to sit out for some minimum time period, not just one play. But not as long as the next possession. Maybe they sit out something like the sooner of at least 5 plays, 5 minutes or the next possession. Something that prevents them from coming back in the very next play because they aren’t really injured.

  50. wferg1121 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:13 AM

    Espn is obviously stealing signals, they must have hired New Englands cameraman. How else could they have possibly known that the sidelines told Deon Grant and Jacquian Williams to flop??! Cheaters are everywhere WTF!!

  51. edukator4 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:14 AM

    “Personally when McGinest did it, I thought, “Wow, what a veteran play!” Knowing the situation and doing anything you can to help your team win. When players do it in the first quarter because they are winded as we saw in the Chargers-Patriots game, I thought, “Wow, what a pathetic player!”

    ___________________________________

    so what you’re saying is when your patriots do it, everything is great. but how dare another team do that, it is immoral and pathetic.
    typical pats fan. you must be so proud that your team has managed to win 3 superbowls despite only entering the league in 2001

  52. bobbcronin says: Sep 20, 2011 10:14 AM

    1) How about requiring that the injured player may not play for the rest of the quarter/half/game?

    2) Even if it is a real injry, how about penalizing the offending team five yards for taking a time-out when they do not have a time-out? (I know that this penalizes a player for having a real injury or may make a really injured player continue playing so that his team does not have a penalty against them, but I think that you will see a dramatic reduction of late quarter injuries).

    I believe that the rules already punish offensive teams with real injuries – isn’t there a ten second run-off? So, it isn’t inconceivable to penalize the defensive team.

  53. caseysarasota says: Sep 20, 2011 10:14 AM

    No words other than: PATHETIC.

  54. ntr0py says: Sep 20, 2011 10:14 AM

    It is true that NFL players fake injuries from time to time.

    But it is BS to tar Willie McGinest with that label. He has addressed the matter repeatedly, and it seems highly probable that he is telling the truth.

    Peyton Manning being a sore loser is not news. But his complaint was not legitimate. Players hobble off the field in pain and return for critical plays ALL THE TIME. Nothing in the video (or anywhere else) suggests that McGinest is lying.

  55. dukemarc says: Sep 20, 2011 10:15 AM

    bigslizzle4twizzle says: Sep 20, 2011 9:52 AM

    How do I do this in Madden when someone runs the no huddle and I have the wrong personel on the field and I dont want to burn a timeout????
    ——————————————

    It’ll come out later this week as an update under the name, giantsarecheating.scum

  56. tatatoothy says: Sep 20, 2011 10:15 AM

    Cheating is cheating. You want to put an end to it? Penalize the Giants by taking away their 2012 1st round pick.

  57. gotitan says: Sep 20, 2011 10:15 AM

    1st Quarter? Just use a time out rather than cheat the system to get your goal line package on the field, if it is so important to you.

  58. giablommi says: Sep 20, 2011 10:16 AM

    “This is an unfortunate situation where the referee can see obvious cheating, but he can’t do anything.”
    ^^^^^
    Cheating? Didn’t you get the memo? Its only “cheating” if its a Super Bowl calibre team like NE, otherwise noone bats an eye. We’ll see if the league sees fit to fine va Giants $500,000 and a first round pick…not holding my breath on that one.

  59. cmich2006 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:16 AM

    You can’t fine the players fro something they are instructed to do by the coach…fine coach and team.

  60. bhindenemylines says: Sep 20, 2011 10:16 AM

    tundey says:
    Sep 20, 2011 9:51 AM
    @glennfs: I was with you until you started insulting soccer. Dude, diving, faking and cheating are human nature that shows up regardless of the game.

    —————————————

    No, cheating is not in everbody’s nature. Those who can’t win in life, sports, school, etc., cheat.

    If that is part of your personal philosophy, that cheating is inherant to all people, then I feel sorry for you as a human being.

  61. vicktator says: Sep 20, 2011 10:17 AM

    That is why theyre called the Ginas

  62. dietrich43 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:17 AM

    The best way to fix this is to have teams blatantly use it against the Jints for a few weeks. They’ll get the hint.

  63. kylexitron says: Sep 20, 2011 10:18 AM

    “Ah, memories of the 1988-89 playoffs, when Joe Nash was the designated injured Seahawk…”
    ____________________________________

    In Joe’s defense I remember the bengals at the seahawks and Joe wasn’t trying to interrupt the game so much as he was trying to interrupt Boomer Esiason’s whining and moaning to the refs that the crowd was too loud for him to run his offense and wanted a flag thrown against the fans.

  64. giablommi says: Sep 20, 2011 10:18 AM

    By the way…really? Faking injuries in the first quarter…of a week 2 game…on national TV…against the lowly Rams?

    How pathetically desperate. Gonna be a long season there big blue fans.

  65. skoobyfl says: Sep 20, 2011 10:18 AM

    If a player is hurt & there is a question about the free timeout, give the ref the power to have that player sit for a 15:00 minute period (Like the NHL / when a player sits out while the game is played).

  66. jacunn2000 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:21 AM

    Giants are the Brazilian Women soccer team of the NFL..

  67. harleyrider1973 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:21 AM

    Here’s an idea, If one of your players gets injuried (real or fake) take away one of there time outs. If they dont have one left that player can not return for the rest of the game.

  68. mjtn says: Sep 20, 2011 10:21 AM

    Pathetic.

    What is this…soccer?

  69. kellyb9 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:22 AM

    @edukator4 – so what you’re saying is when your patriots do it, everything is great. but how dare another team do that, it is immoral and pathetic.
    typical pats fan. you must be so proud that your team has managed to win 3 superbowls despite only entering the league in 2001″Not at all… if you read my post, which I felt was fairly clear, I didn’t imply that at all. What I said was that the situations were different. I felt that flopping the first quarter because you’re tired and not prepared for the hurry-up offense is pathetic. Personally, I think it speaks to the preparation of your team. When you fake an injury to allow your team to prepare for a critical situation since they don’t have timeouts to burn, I tend to think that you made a good sacrifice for your team. I’m not saying its right, but I had no problem with it when the Colts did to us a few years later.

  70. bigpara says: Sep 20, 2011 10:22 AM

    Really Giants fake an injury and the nfl complained about it. What if they both were really hurt. First time Giants ever pulled this tactic and oh noes the sky is falling. If it was Goodell darling team (Eagles)we wouldn’t be even be talking about this except what a smart move the Eagles pulled.

  71. tampajoey says: Sep 20, 2011 10:22 AM

    When a player fakes an injury the NFL should fine both the player and the team and also take away all the teams’ timeouts for their next game.

    If I wanted to watch players fake an injury I’d watch soccer.

  72. astrosfan75956 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:23 AM

    That was a cheap move by the giants.

  73. redrew says: Sep 20, 2011 10:27 AM

    Considering how blatant the Giants fakery was…$500,000 fine. This fine will quickly end any future crap. Repeat offenders will lose draft picks as well. Illegal taping was dealt with severely….I don’t see why onfield cheating would be considered a lesser offense.
    In the future, if an injury (fake or real) occurs during a no huddle situation, the team will only be allowed to substitute for the injured player and that player must remain on the sidelines for the duration of the series.

  74. joetoronto says: Sep 20, 2011 10:28 AM

    Forget the fines, they make way too much money.

    Penalize the team and this crap will stop pronto.

  75. greymares says: Sep 20, 2011 10:31 AM

    Richard Cranium 212, anything to say?

  76. omnipresentfan says: Sep 20, 2011 10:31 AM

    The Bill Bilichick cheating doctrine is expanding…

    The next thing the G-Men will try for a win you ask?

    Here goes: Next home game, they’ll lock their opponent into the visitor’s locker room at half-time. They’ll run back onto the field and claim forfeiture when their opponent doesn’t show… Go Giants!!!

  77. zaggs says: Sep 20, 2011 10:33 AM

    You could say the same thing about Bradfords not 1, but 2 intentional groundings the refs ignored, and all of the holding (Giants player goes by, Rams player still holding on), and the pass interference (Dahl runs into Hixon never once turning around, no call). Rams got away with plenty.
    By the way, notice how Coughlin had 2 successful challenges against the “impartial” refs?

  78. cowboy88 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:33 AM

    Cheaters.

  79. tgsgoddess says: Sep 20, 2011 10:33 AM

    The Giants have to cheat to beat the Rams!!! They’re pathetic

  80. usher716 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:34 AM

    some things never change, these are the same tactics the Giants employed in Super Bowl 25 – faking injuries, kicking the ball “on accident” to delay the spot, etc…

  81. Patskrieg dot com says: Sep 20, 2011 10:34 AM

    Interesting that MDS went with McGinest as an example. Almost a year ago to the day PFT posted an article pointing out that the Jets coach players to fake injuries as a regular part of their special teams gameplan:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/29/jets-say-jamaal-westerman-was-hurt-but-was-he-really/

  82. packfaninthehook says: Sep 20, 2011 10:34 AM

    Referees are not powerless nor should they be. If there’s a pattern or blatany fakery, throw a flag for unsportsmanlike conduct and assess the 15 yards or half the distance.

    There’s also nothing saying that a ref can’t decide to eject a player if he or his team is engaging in this nonsense repeatedly. In soccer usually a referee will issue a warning or a booking over one player’s dive or embellishment. But who is to say that there haven’t been cases where another player does the same thing, the ref has seen enough since his teammate had his name in the book, and he issues a straight red? Do the same in this case. Grant and Williams go down, mark off half the distance to the goal. Someone else does it later? 15 yards, automatic first down and that guy gets ejected.

  83. folkcrusader says: Sep 20, 2011 10:35 AM

    Um, it’s simple. Change the rule so that only the hurt player be allowed to be replaced on an injury timeout. The replacement player must play the same position as the hurt player.

    Remove the benefit, remove the problem.

  84. JackLeone says: Sep 20, 2011 10:36 AM

    This probably happens more than we know. The way they both fell, (almost in unison) coaches probably tell them to do this if they game is going too fast. Especially if subs are not able to get in the game like they should.

  85. ravensfan4life52 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:36 AM

    wow what a couple of pu$$ie$ and you can tell em i said it

  86. igotacousinweusetocallporky says: Sep 20, 2011 10:39 AM

    What the heck are girlie-men soccer fans doing commenting on this board?

  87. frankfordyellowjackets says: Sep 20, 2011 10:40 AM

    Once a VaGiant, always a VaGiant.

  88. patriotsdefense says: Sep 20, 2011 10:43 AM

    The Colts have done it to the Patriots too, with Cato June in 2006. Don’t hide Tony Dungy’s sins just because he’s a part of the NBC family.

  89. z71kris says: Sep 20, 2011 10:47 AM

    they should only be allowed to sub for the player(players) hurt, and then those players should have to sit out until the next series…sounds fair right…

  90. hairpie says: Sep 20, 2011 10:49 AM

    So when can we expect this cheating to be 24/7 on ESPN?

  91. TheDPR says: Sep 20, 2011 10:50 AM

    Want to avoid fake injuries is to not only make the ‘injured’ player sit out for at least one play but to also NOT allow a substitute to come in to replace him for at least one play.

    In effect, if your guy gets hurt your team is down a player for the next play. That would add a fun dimension to the game, I think, and solve the fake injury problem, too.

    While we’re at it, how about implementing a hockey-style “penalty box” for guys who commit personal fouls?

  92. yowsayowsa says: Sep 20, 2011 10:55 AM

    WAHHHHHHHHHH WAHHHHHHHHHH!! BOOOHO HOO!!! The Giants won so we need to find excuses!!! Stop whining you NY hating crybabies!!! Wonder if this would be an issue if the Beloved Dallas Cowgirls or Eagirlsdid it. Its been going on for years to suck it up and deal with it ya whiny jealous NY haters!!!

  93. losvandam says: Sep 20, 2011 10:57 AM

    wow the giants needed to cheat to win against the lowly Rams?????? very tellling. Giants finish 3rd -4th in division.

  94. gcsuk says: Sep 20, 2011 10:58 AM

    christinamer says: Sep 20, 2011 9:37 AM

    If you have to cheat… you aren’t that good!
    ———————————————————————–
    Please see “The 2007 New England Patriots”.

  95. yowsayowsa says: Sep 20, 2011 10:58 AM

    Super Bowl 25? HAHAHAHAA!!! Norwood wide right lost that one. Still crying after all these years huh usher Thin about this. If your team has to use the no huddle all the time to have success, then they aint that good!!!!

  96. gcsuk says: Sep 20, 2011 11:00 AM

    ravensfan4life52 says: Sep 20, 2011 10:36 AM

    wow what a couple of pu$$ie$ and you can tell em i said it.
    ————————————————————————
    Fine. Please post your REAL name, your home address, and when you would like them to come over so you can tell them yourself.

  97. bmmayhew says: Sep 20, 2011 11:00 AM

    Will the NFL fine Bradford’s lazy eye for being, well, lazy?

  98. CKL says: Sep 20, 2011 11:02 AM

    albanyhawker says: Sep 20, 2011 9:57 AM

    Make injured players sit out the current SERIES instead of just a single play. That should stop the madness right there, and error on the side of player safety.
    _____________________________________
    This.
    You people wanting draft picks and such are going way way WAY overboard into hysterical overreaction. It’s like wanting draft picks for holding penalties or something. It’s an on field rules violation that doesn’t physically hurt other players and that gives a team an advantage, just like a lot of the other actions that are penalized.

  99. grilledjesus says: Sep 20, 2011 11:02 AM

    Interesting that you didn’t mention the fact that the rules were changed after McGinest supposedly did it. That is why a team is charged with either a timeout or a clock runoff inside of two minutes.

  100. doug1028 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:04 AM

    christinamer says: Sep 20, 2011 9:37 AM

    If you have to cheat… you aren’t that good!

    ————————————————-

    Unless you want to win….example; everyone who has ever cheated.

  101. gcsuk says: Sep 20, 2011 11:04 AM

    bturner032002 says: Sep 20, 2011 9:56 AM

    Well we know of two players who won’t be acting after they finish their “fluke” NFL careers.

    signed,
    The Redskins
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    Yep, Deon Grant, “fluke” career. This is his 12 year in the league. In his 11 seasons so far, he has played all 16 games in 10 of those seasons. Yep, that is the definition of a “fluke” career.

  102. packerrube13 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:05 AM

    bigslizzle4twizzle says:
    Sep 20, 2011 9:52 AM
    How do I do this in Madden when someone runs the no huddle and I have the wrong personel on the field and I dont want to burn a timeout????
    ————————————————

    OH MY GOD. Comment of the year. Give this guy an award, I spit my pop out (literally) when I read this. Absolutely hilarious man. Bravo.

  103. kevpft says: Sep 20, 2011 11:05 AM

    Wait, there’s flopping in pro football now? Now what will all the chest-beating NFL fans say in soccer comment boards to put down the most popular sport in the world?

    Now every soccer fan will have the ready retort: “Yes, but your players flop… and they wear pads. Who’s wussy again?”

    (Signed, a dogged fan of both football and futbol.)

  104. pooflingingmonkey says: Sep 20, 2011 11:06 AM

    @kylexitron says: Sep 20, 2011 10:18 AM

    “In Joe’s defense I remember the bengals at the seahawks and Joe wasn’t trying to interrupt the game so much as he was trying to interrupt Boomer Esiason’s whining and moaning…”

    You couldn’t be more wrong. I was at that game, (and the game was in Cincy) and still have it on tape. The Seahawks couldn’t solve Cincy’s no-huddle any other way than to fake injuries. They more or less admitted to it after the fact.

    Don’t try to defend indefensible behavior.

  105. ice90 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:10 AM

    @TheDPR,

    While you’re at it, why don’t we change player’s uniform numbers to symbols like !@#$%. And after we do that, let’s change the overtime rule and decide the game with a team sack race.

    Wouldn’t that be a lot of fun?

  106. kellyb9 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:12 AM

    “packfaninthehook says:
    Sep 20, 2011 10:34 AM
    Referees are not powerless nor should they be. If there’s a pattern or blatany fakery, throw a flag for unsportsmanlike conduct and assess the 15 yards or half the distance.

    There’s also nothing saying that a ref can’t decide to eject a player if he or his team is engaging in this nonsense repeatedly. ”
    ———————
    I understand your point, but the last thing in the world I want to see is the refs in football to have the same level of godlike power over the game as the umps in baseball.

  107. hairpie says: Sep 20, 2011 11:13 AM

    If the Pats can lose a draft pick for something that could not be used in game and gave them “no advantage” on the field. How many picks should teams that cheat like this lose? It obviously affects the outcome of the game.

  108. gcsuk says: Sep 20, 2011 11:14 AM

    Wow. I didn’t hear this much hubris from NFL “fans” over Dunta Robinson trying to take out Jeremy Maclin.

    Oh, but that’s OK, because that’s “football”.

    Yeah, suspend the 2 players. REALLY realistic expectations there.

  109. orakpownd says: Sep 20, 2011 11:16 AM

    Its going to be hard for the Giants to compete with the lowly, horrible, 31st ranked Redskins for 4th in the division…….oh wait.

  110. drbob117 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:16 AM

    Every one of the solutions proposed here still puts refs in the business of deciding who’s faking an injury, they’re just pretending they’re not by saying things like “your guy has to sit for a quarter, etc. If you were a fan of a team where a guy had a cramp from dehydration or the like, you wouldn’t like it if the training staff had him ready to go five minutes later, and he had to stay out for the rest of the quarter because of a new rule. Also, the NFL fines would probably be appealed and I’m guessing those appeals would feature voluminous documentation from team triners and doctors about how they treated the player for a particular issue after the game.

  111. Big John says: Sep 20, 2011 11:17 AM

    NT Joe Nash of the Seattle Seahawks did this so many times in a big game against the Bengals back in the late 80′s that it became comical.

  112. sullijo1 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:17 AM

    How come the fans of this game, in about 90 minutes, can come up with several good options in this trail. Yet, the people that are paid to work for the NFL act helpless??

    Option 1 – only player that is hurt can be substituted.

    And/ Or

    Option 2 – player hurt must sit out a series (quarter, 10 game minutes, whatever).

    Not that hard to figure out…

  113. nicewolf64 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:23 AM

    in the name of player “safety”, injured players should be held out for the remainder of the quarter so that they can be properly “evaluated” by medical personnel.

  114. runrickyrun34 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:28 AM

    I’ve got an idea of what the NFL should do about this….nothing.

    The article is right, only a medical professional can address the issue and without knowing if the player is actually injured or not you can’t penalize a team. The idea of suspending a player or keeping them out of the game for 15 minutes is ridiculous. If you’re going to do that then flag any player who throws his arms up in the air when he feels like there should be a penalty flag too. None of these things are what I want to see but if it helps their team then so be it. Obviously, if the public backlash is bad enough they may or may not continue to do it. For example, Brady and Manning have a reputation for “calling” for flags an in some cases have had flags thrown while raising their hands for one. I don’t know if the ref was throwing the flag anyway but it has earned them the rep as being whiners/crybabies. That’s something they have to deal with in the court of public opinion. But if it works then fine. The NFL is about wins, not what’s the right thing to do. If you’re a flopper then that’ll be your rep. I like what Brady did to Phillips (I think) the other day when he went down but he’s no different then McGinist. It’s just timing. And just because McGinist addressed the issue doesn’t mean anything. Basically, at one time or another a player has whined, complained, flopped and/or stalled. You can’t penalize everything. Personally, I didn’t see what happened in the Giants game but I also don’t care. And this is hardly “cheating.” Go ask some players what they thing of sportsmanship and you’ll probably get an answer that can be interpreted as they want to win by any means necessary.

  115. ravensfan4life52 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:29 AM

    @gcsuk

    how many times have you been on To Catch A Predator?

  116. Single Filament says: Sep 20, 2011 11:37 AM

    The MLS fines soccer players who dive. Maybe the NFL should take notes from soccer with how to handle “diving”

  117. m2karateman says: Sep 20, 2011 11:39 AM

    I think if a player goes down with injury and ‘suspects’ the injury to be fake, he should allow a substitution only for the injured player and no other substitutions are allowed.

    The problem with that is the players can run off the field so quick that the ref can’t control who went off and who came on. The official nearest that teams sideline would have to be aware of it.

    The other option is that if the league feels the player faked the injury, then suspend the player and the head coach of the team for the next game. That would prevent fake injuries from happening.

  118. glac1 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:40 AM

    Leave it to a east coast team from a blue state. The league will make them forfeit the win. St. Louis 2, new york giants 0.

  119. captaintriumph says: Sep 20, 2011 11:48 AM

    The Giants are totally classless. This is coming from a Vikings fan who has no bias. I said Derek Jeter was totally classless when he faked getting injured by a pitch too. There are some thing you just don’t do, some things are just too tasteless, even if you can get away with it. It’s boggles my mind how anyone can defend such obviously classless behavior. The NFL needs to take strict action against this immediately.

  120. arlingtonassasin says: Sep 20, 2011 11:48 AM

    Yak yak yak….not the prettiest display, but against the rules? No. Cheating? No way. Give your heads shake everyone….PFT included. Read the damn rules people. Blame the NFL….not the players for using the rules as they’re written.

  121. runrickyrun34 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:50 AM

    Well, I stand corrected. This is cheating. If a player foolishly admits he faked an injury he can therefore be disciplined and thus, admission of cheating. And as stated in another article that came after this one the NFL really really really would appreciated if players didn’t fake injuries and team complied with the NFL’s feelings that there is no place in the game for faking injuries. Ooooooooo, such a tough stance.

  122. b7p19 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:51 AM

    “good sportsmanship and fair play” simply go out the window when you’re talking about a multi-billion dollar business.

    This isn’t amature sports. With millions on the line every game you can’t expect anyone to hold anything back in the name of sportsmanship.

    I’m not defending it, i’m just saying thats the nature of big business.

  123. fordman84 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:51 AM

    How about getting injured, or maybe just during a no huddle situation, costs your team a timeout. If you don’t have one, then it is a 5 yard penalty.

  124. jessethegreat says: Sep 20, 2011 11:53 AM

    Inside the 2, when an O player goes down, they take 10 seconds off if no timeouts are remaining…..? If the d wants to be cheap, keep them in the same formation with the same players. If they want to sub, take their timeout (that’s what it’s there for). If they don’t want to sub, or didn’t conserve a timeout, just make it “whoever was on the field when the injury occurred stays on the field. If the guy’s injured enough to the point he can’t get up on his own power, he probably shouldn’t be allowed back into the game.

    I love American football where teams score more than 2 points in 60 minutes of regulation, but this rule skirting crap seems to be getting more redundant of late. We liked football 10-15 years ago more where the truly elite stood out.

  125. steviethewiz says: Sep 20, 2011 11:53 AM

    Well according to Pats fans (like video taping) “Everyone does it” so it must not be cheating…………..

  126. hystoracle says: Sep 20, 2011 11:54 AM

    This situation was egregious. Everyone had gotten up and were walking back to the defensive huddle when suddenly two Giants flopped to the ground at the same time. In Soccer and hockey, if you obviously fake it you get penalized. Same should be in Football. Doesn’t take a medical professional to tell they were faking an injury in this situation. Also, in soccer if your injury is holding up the game. They make the trainer take them off the field and work on them at the sideline with NO substitution. You play short until he can re-enter.

    I foresee the Giants getting a big-time fine over this as a team and the players getting a fine themselves. Don’t Cry Wolf!

  127. bigslizzle4twizzle says: Sep 20, 2011 11:58 AM

    packerrube13 says:
    Sep 20, 2011 11:05 AM
    bigslizzle4twizzle says:
    Sep 20, 2011 9:52 AM
    How do I do this in Madden when someone runs the no huddle and I have the wrong personel on the field and I dont want to burn a timeout????
    ————————————————

    OH MY GOD. Comment of the year. Give this guy an award, I spit my pop out (literally) when I read this. Absolutely hilarious man. Bravo.

    ———————————
    I appreciate the nomination. Any die hard Madden player could use this on a regular basis to give the defense a rest get the right people on the field.

  128. richeich says: Sep 20, 2011 11:58 AM

    This is out and out cheating. The coach, and team should be hit with the heaviest fine possible.
    This is a great example of the crap that goes on in this country. This is a great example for our children we are trying to raise properly. Maybe the game should be FORFEITED to the Rams. That would send a REAL MESSAGE!

  129. purplereign52 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:59 AM

    The Jets defense did this throughout the patriot playoff game last year. Everytime the pats would got to no huddle and get in a rhythm Bart Scott or other members of the Jets D would fake injuries and lay down on the field. I am a Ravens fan and really dont care for either tam but after watching that its clear that they abused the league injury rule and clearly faked injuries. Because Bart Scott would come back in after the next play.

  130. klutch14u says: Sep 20, 2011 12:03 PM

    This is no simple solution to this, everything suggested has a back counter reaction. If they apply a blanket that any injury has a consequence then the NFL will get blamed when some player with a legit injury doesn’t come out of the game and gets hurt worse as a result. Not allowing anything but a sub for the injured player will just result with 5 guys all going down at the same time (the guys they want subbed). Not allowing a any player to sub (running with only 10 guys for example) will only result in the 1st example above (the player just won’t come out and could honestly be injured). I really think the only decent answer is to let the NFL review these after each week and make a judgement call and fine the team/player if found guilty. This will likely result in off season acting classes to better hone their skills. But we are talking about dumb football players anyway and kickers haven’t ever quite got this down to an art and they have plenty of practice.

  131. gcsuk says: Sep 20, 2011 12:04 PM

    ravensfan4life52 says: Sep 20, 2011 11:29 AM

    @gcsuk

    how many times have you been on To Catch A Predator?
    ———————————————————————-
    As the father of 2 children, I find your comment to be totally disgusting. But then, what did I expect from an Internet tough guy such as yourself. You, sir, are truly trash.

  132. glac1 says: Sep 20, 2011 12:06 PM

    If a player leaves the game they have to sit out ONE play. Maybe it’s time we make it an entire series or quarter.

  133. tinkletinkleonyourstar says: Sep 20, 2011 12:07 PM

    Everybody needs to get off their high horses. If your team did it you wouldn’t be whining. The bottom line is the g-men used the current rules of the game to their advantage.(and it worked) suck it.
    Every sport does it. do you really think every time a hoops player takes a charge that there was contact?
    How about punters, they flop everytime they get touched.
    How about wide receivers, they all the time embellish contact to draw an interference call.

    You know damn well next week your team may do it if it is to their advantage.

  134. ravensfan4life52 says: Sep 20, 2011 12:07 PM

    you’re the one asking for people’s names and addresses on-line bro. and i’m not trying to be an internet tough guy. i’m just saying that what those guys did was pathetic

  135. happybunnyj says: Sep 20, 2011 12:12 PM

    LMAO when I saw TWO players flop down after play with no contact. You know they had to say “Dude, it was my turn.”

  136. Mr. Wright 212 says: Sep 20, 2011 12:22 PM

    At the rate that our guys are going down, I wouldn’t even play around like that.

  137. laeaglefan says: Sep 20, 2011 12:24 PM

    Even if the league decided to fine the players involved, my guess is that the team would pay the fines for them, since the team (or at least the coach) no doubt encourages players to fake injuries in such situations. A more appropriate penalty would be a one game suspension for any player determined to be faking an injury.

  138. yowsayowsa says: Sep 20, 2011 12:34 PM

    captaintiumph
    Yeah, and Minnesota players are full of class. Like when Randy Moss turned t the crowd after scoring and basically mooned them. Yeah, that showed real class. Get a clue!!

  139. pioniere says: Sep 20, 2011 12:38 PM

    If a player is ‘injured’, then only that player can be substituted. No other substitutions are allowed until the play has been run.

  140. flyeaglefly says: Sep 20, 2011 12:41 PM

    I think the Giants took a page from Dean Smith and his famous 4-corners (hold the ball indefinitely) defense. Williams at least “touched” someone…Grant didn’t touch anyone when he went down. So Williams gets Best Actor and Grant, the Best “Supporting” Actor. Obviously the G-Men have honed their 4 “Corners” stalling defense/craft. But where was this Giant LAYDOWN last year when the Eagles/Vick/Maclin/Jackson were smoking them in the 4th quarter? Perhaps they’ve learned how to compete when they’re getting beat.

  141. greendreams6 says: Sep 20, 2011 12:46 PM

    It should be an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty

  142. MTLighthouse69 says: Sep 20, 2011 1:07 PM

    The typical Patriot fan ignorance on this board is mind numbing.

    Phillips is one of the best, if not the best, Charger defensive players. If a Charger player was going to fake an injury, it wouldn’t be Phillips. Add to that the fact that Phillips was out for multiple plays in a row, how does that help the Chargers exactly? It doesn’t.

    The Patriot fans who are calling out other teams are laughable. Patriot fans ought to take a good look at their own team first. But then again, they probably don’t want to look at those highly questionable Patriot SB wins.

    Nah, everyone else is just jealous. *eyeroll*

  143. timtheenchanter1 says: Sep 20, 2011 1:09 PM

    christinamer says: Sep 20, 2011 9:37 AM

    If you have to cheat… you aren’t that good!
    ————————————

    Sorry, wrong answer.

    There’s “cheating” on every play in the form of hidden holding, contact and grabbing downfield, simulated snap counts, giving guys “the business” under a pile, and on and on.

    The more appropriate saying is an old classic: “If you ain’t cheatin’ you ain’t tryin’”

  144. tebowsgonnagitya says: Sep 20, 2011 1:20 PM

    You can bet Josh McDaniels has tape of it.

  145. packerrube13 says: Sep 20, 2011 1:26 PM

    bigslizzle4twizzle says:
    Sep 20, 2011 11:58 AM
    packerrube13 says:
    Sep 20, 2011 11:05 AM
    bigslizzle4twizzle says:
    Sep 20, 2011 9:52 AM
    How do I do this in Madden when someone runs the no huddle and I have the wrong personel on the field and I dont want to burn a timeout????
    ————————————————

    OH MY GOD. Comment of the year. Give this guy an award, I spit my pop out (literally) when I read this. Absolutely hilarious man. Bravo.

    ———————————
    I appreciate the nomination. Any die hard Madden player could use this on a regular basis to give the defense a rest get the right people on the field.
    ————————————————–

    Couldn’t agree more. It would be hilarious. Imagine the outcry by the opponent. It might be dirty and unethical in the NFL, but this sort of thing comes in handy in Madden.

  146. canadianvikingfaniii says: Sep 20, 2011 1:44 PM

    What is this Soccer?

  147. techvet says: Sep 20, 2011 1:47 PM

    Since Rogers and Brady are utilizing the no-huddle more this year, the NFL better get their head around this quickly. This is a copy-cat league.

  148. FinFan68 says: Sep 20, 2011 1:55 PM

    Faking an injury to gain an advantage is bush-league. A true “veteran” move would be for a DL to jump offside and make contact. That forces the clock stoppage, the defense deals with a 5-yard penalty and the team isn’t viewed as a bunch of shady cheaters.

  149. granadafan says: Sep 20, 2011 2:23 PM

    Players who stay on the ground and need assistance off the field should be required to stay off until the series is done. Period.

    It’s so frustrating to watch this crap in soccer and the refs do a terrible job of punishing the fakers. FIFA needs to mandate a 10 minute return rule for those “injured” or need to be taken off on a stretcher only to watch them pop off and run back on the field. If they’re lying on the ground for more than one minute, the stretcher comes out and they’re banned from coming back on for 10 minutes. If no stretcher is required, get the eff up and play or get off the darned field.

  150. gitlin1 says: Sep 20, 2011 9:10 PM

    Make the injured player sit out for a quarter if they cause the clock to be stopped. That should be effective. If that doesn’t curtail it, all injuries stopping the clock will cause a 10 yard penalty. That would work!

  151. vaskinsfan says: Sep 20, 2011 11:02 PM

    At a minimum, don’t allow any substitutions except for the “injured” player. Also a mandatory benching until next possession.

  152. gcryall says: Sep 21, 2011 9:45 AM

    Fewell’s defense was so out of sync on Monday that they didn’t even know which one of them was suppose to fake the injury LOL

  153. maninmo says: Sep 21, 2011 7:04 PM

    One way to curb the practice is to not allow subs in except for the “injured” player.

  154. razedeyebrow says: Sep 25, 2011 12:26 PM

    “Referees aren’t doctors, so the NFL doesn’t want them to assess whether a player is really hurt or not. ”

    And why not? Make at least one member of the on-field officiating crew a physician or even an EMT. Problem solved, and the game becomes safer for everybody.

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