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Bills bring it, intercept Brady four times in upset of Patriots

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Bills receiver Stevie Johnson said before today’s game with the Patriots that Buffalo would need to “bring it” in order to pull the upset.

The Bills brought it, all right, storming back from an early deficit to beat the Patriots 34-31 with a game-winning field goal as time expired.

Yes, the Buffalo Bills are 3-0, and a game ahead of the Patriots in the AFC East.

More than anything else, the story of this game was that the Bills became the first team this season to even slow down the vaunted Patriots’ passing game. Tom Brady was plenty good on Sunday, completing 30 of 45 passes for 386 yards and four touchdowns. But the Bills’ defense made the most of the few opportunities they had to make big plays of their own, intercepting Brady four times — the same number of times Brady was intercepted in the entire 2010 season.

The Patriots jumped out to an early 21-0 lead, and sports columnists across the country prepared to write, “Same old Patriots, same old Bills.” But Buffalo hung tough, led by quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick, who completed 27 of 40 passes for 369 yards, with two touchdowns and two interceptions.

The best player on the field on Sunday was Patriots receiver Wes Welker, who had 16 catches for 216 yards and two touchdowns. But the better team on the field on Sunday was the Bills. It’s been a long time since we’ve been able to say that on a day they played the Patriots.

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185 Responses to “Bills bring it, intercept Brady four times in upset of Patriots”
  1. billsfaninmiami says: Sep 25, 2011 4:46 PM

    About these BILLS! Hot damn tamale Ahab! Best over West. Beasts in the East!
    Go BILLS!

  2. rectumnearlykilledem says: Sep 25, 2011 4:47 PM

    I love that the two worst cities in America to live in, Detroit and Buffalo are both 3-0. Good for them. The citizens of those communities need something to keep from slitting their wrists. Congrats and well done!

  3. beastson says: Sep 25, 2011 4:47 PM

    LOL @ Brady

  4. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Sep 25, 2011 4:47 PM

    Congrats to the Buffalo Bills and their fans for breaking the eight-year drought. Strangely enough, I’m actually happy for Bills fans. Interestingly, the Giants also broke their three-year drought against the “Dream Team.” Unfortunately, my Pats played uncharacteristically undisciplined football. However, that doesn’t diminish at all what your team accomplished today. Well done.

  5. fishermonk says: Sep 25, 2011 4:47 PM

    Nobody circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills!!!!!

  6. picksix401 says: Sep 25, 2011 4:47 PM

    patriots fan to the bills…. congrats

  7. cjspiller12 says: Sep 25, 2011 4:48 PM

    Nobody circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills!!!!!!! Great win!! Wooooooooooooooooo!! No matter what, I love this team, they never quit…………….this team is for real!!!!!!!

  8. deeboisgonnaeatyourkids says: Sep 25, 2011 4:49 PM

    Look for Goodell to change some rule this week

  9. letsgobuffaloin2011 says: Sep 25, 2011 4:49 PM

    The Bills make me wanna SHOUT!!!

    LETS GO BUFFALO!!!!!

  10. bigdaddy44 says: Sep 25, 2011 4:49 PM

    I have never seen a team make so many mental mistakes as the Patriots made in the second half. The Bills kept their heads, capitalized on every opportunity and earned this win. If the Patriots defense does not drastically improve and half the team continues to have their heads up their butts, it’s going to be a short, sad season for us Pats fans. Good Win Bills.

  11. proudlycanadian says: Sep 25, 2011 4:50 PM

    In their post game TV show the local Boston CBS station ran a poll asking who is to blame for the Patriots loss. In their arrogance, they did not include “The Buffalo Bills” as a possible excuse. A pox on Boston and all their sports teams. Defeat looks good on them.

  12. duanethomas says: Sep 25, 2011 4:50 PM

    I’ve said it before, the Brady,Belichick, and Kraft team will never win another SB. Their window is closed and I would be surprised to see Belichick coaching the Patriots next year. Now they have to not only fight the Jets, but the Bills also. Its over and they will still be competitive, but not a SB winning team.

  13. wawa33 says: Sep 25, 2011 4:50 PM

    No one circles the wagons like the Tonronto Bills!

  14. beyond2k says: Sep 25, 2011 4:51 PM

    Only one thing to say: GO BILLS!

  15. wwwmattcom says: Sep 25, 2011 4:51 PM

    The Bills make me wanna shout!!!!

    Now wait a minute, can we please get some more pressure on the QB!

  16. texastornado82 says: Sep 25, 2011 4:51 PM

    All on board the Bills band wagon!

  17. ny82jy says: Sep 25, 2011 4:51 PM

    @ampats
    Hahahahahahahahaha. Hope you see this and finally relize that your team has no clue on how to play defense. The great Brady is human. Congrats to the bills and all of their fans. Great hard played game. The pats have been exposed

  18. habsman says: Sep 25, 2011 4:52 PM

    Congrats to the Bill’s from a Pat’s fan. Well done.

  19. dess133 says: Sep 25, 2011 4:52 PM

    worst officiated game i have ever seen

  20. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Sep 25, 2011 4:52 PM

    Lets Go Buffalo!!!!

    What a great game! The Bills are for Realz.

  21. dess133 says: Sep 25, 2011 4:53 PM

    tainted victory for buffalo

  22. 4t9er says: Sep 25, 2011 4:54 PM

    Congrats to the bills, and the patriots were classless with their hits on Fitzpatrick and not even shaking hands after a loss, despicable.

  23. jessethegreat says: Sep 25, 2011 4:54 PM

    Its too early to speculate, but can anyone imagine a Bills/Redskins rematch in the SuperBowl?

  24. jh500 says: Sep 25, 2011 4:54 PM

    tom brady sucks

  25. greendreams6 says: Sep 25, 2011 4:54 PM

    Where are all the Brady/NE Patriots fan boys now?

  26. Deb says: Sep 25, 2011 4:55 PM

    Told ya!!! Been posting for two seasons that the Bills were on the rise and better than their record. Chan is a good coach and they have real talent on that team! Loved what I saw of this game on Red Zone. Not only did the Bills hang tough and maintain focus, they made the usually calm and cool Pats lose their poise.

    Beautifully done, Buffalo!!! Congrats!!!! Can’t wait to see you tear up those Jets!!

  27. holysmole says: Sep 25, 2011 4:55 PM

    I feel like this game came down to who could screw up the least……..gives a whole new meaning to the game on January 1.

  28. EJ says: Sep 25, 2011 4:55 PM

    Finally, maybe we will get some respect now…

    Go Bills!!!!

  29. damko12 says: Sep 25, 2011 4:55 PM

    No excuses good job bills!
    Pats fan.

  30. jonevans83 says: Sep 25, 2011 4:56 PM

    “Rhode Island Patriots Fan says:
    Sep 25, 2011 4:47 PM Unfortunately, my Pats played uncharacteristically undisciplined football.”

    In NO WAY are they “your” pats.

  31. richm2256 says: Sep 25, 2011 4:57 PM

    Sucks that the Pat’s lost – Brady having an incredibly inconsistant game, with the defense continuing to have problems – but I have to say that if they had to lose a game, I’m glad it was to the Bills, even though they’re division rivals.

    The Bills have sucked for so long, like the Lions, and it’s fun to see them finally being competitive again. The Patriots wins are always more enjoyable when they’re against good, competitive teams. Losing to a competitive team sets a benchmark for where improvements need to be made, and they WILL be made.

    Congrats to the long suffering Bills fans, you deserve this one.

  32. nyjalleffingday says: Sep 25, 2011 4:57 PM

    Overrated Pats lose, overrated Eagles lose, Jets winning- it’s been a good day.

  33. ravenator says: Sep 25, 2011 4:58 PM

    We all know the Pats will bounce back but that was definitely a HUGE win for the Bills. Congrats Buffalo, always happy to see Brady pout.

  34. citizenstrange says: Sep 25, 2011 4:58 PM

    This one was for Rex Ryan!

  35. polishkingski says: Sep 25, 2011 4:59 PM

    i said it the other day, spiller being lined up as a wideout would be trouble. on three td passes, c.j was doubled and another was left open. nice plan chan, nice plan! his use as a decoy was genius, simply genius.

  36. crunktim says: Sep 25, 2011 4:59 PM

    I don’t think Brady was exposed I just think there were bad bounces on both sides. Two of Brady’s passes were tipped including the pick 6. Just bad luck. Fitzpatrick had a tipped INT as well. To be honest, this is the first time I can remember since I’ve been into football that the Bills won an important game. Pretty incredible feeling. Will we win the division? Very doubtful but right now we can enjoy what the team has done so far and take it week by week. You patriots fans are nothing short of classy just like your football team. Thanks for the well wishes on the year.

  37. southridge23 says: Sep 25, 2011 4:59 PM

    Perfect storm for the bills today…patriots undisciplined, 4 picks despite no pressure on Brady, a nice bounce off The lineman into draytons hands, and of course a very gritty effort by the entire team..great game and btw nothing from spiller?!

  38. dionoil says: Sep 25, 2011 4:59 PM

    So proud of the Bills. Way to go.

  39. TheWizard says: Sep 25, 2011 5:00 PM

    I’ve said it before, the Brady,Belichick, and Kraft team will never win another SB. Their window is closed

    Seems like a bit of a reach, based on a 3 point loss to Buffalo, 3rd game of the season.

    But have your fun.

    Congrats Bills.

  40. bcvv says: Sep 25, 2011 5:00 PM

    Nice to see the curse is finally over. Marsha Brady was pwned the Bills since his career began.

  41. petthefurrywall says: Sep 25, 2011 5:00 PM

    Ocho is going to catch he’ll from the media and coaches all week…

  42. ghostofgilchrist says: Sep 25, 2011 5:00 PM

    Hell of a game. As a Bills fan, I’m having trouble holding back the visions of grandeur.

    Fun fact:
    When’s the last game where both teams threw the ball 95 times total…and there were no sacks?

  43. tfbuckfutter says: Sep 25, 2011 5:00 PM

    Another Pats fan here to say congrats…..Bills may be for real.

    Just don’t turn into Jets or Dolphins fans over it.

    Then I will continue to not mind occasionally losing to your team. Because you’re not dicks.

  44. bertilfox says: Sep 25, 2011 5:02 PM

    Hey beastson, it is important to remember that while you’re LOLing @ Brady, when he leaves the field, he lives the life of Tom Brady. As a Pats fans, I don’t feel bad for him. Living well is his true revenge.

  45. magnuminsp says: Sep 25, 2011 5:03 PM

    @ Big Daddy–I couldn’t have said it better.

    The better team “today” won. Congrats!

    Let’s see what happens as the year goes on. I can tell you this, if the Patriots defense doesn’t find a way to stop anybody, it will be a long, exciting season until the playoffs arrive.

    Then, us Patriot fans will have to find something else to do besides watch our team.

  46. sromgrom says: Sep 25, 2011 5:04 PM

    New attitude baby!!!

    The theme song of these Bills:

  47. buffalojill716 says: Sep 25, 2011 5:07 PM

    @rectum….really?? Buffalo is the worst city to live in and we want to slit our wrists??
    I don’t worry about hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis, wildfires, high crime or flooding. Summers are beautiful, our grass is green, and snow melts. Grow up!! Oh and the Bills kick a$$, what more could we ask for!

  48. butchhig says: Sep 25, 2011 5:07 PM

    You would figure the bills would have to beat the pats once in a decade or however long it’s been. This was the super bowl for the Bills. I’m sure when the Pats beat em 41-0 at Gillette everyone will forget about today…

  49. ytsejamer1 says: Sep 25, 2011 5:08 PM

    Great job by the Bills. They kept their heads up and kept after it. Their defense started to take charge while the Pats coaches and players tried to get too cute. First and foremost though…a great job by the Bills and their coaches.

    My Pats played PISS POOR situational football before the end of the first half. They kept chucking the ball around like it was a playground game…they could have worked more clock and kicked a nice FG to get something before they’d have to give the ball back to Buffalo in the second half.

    As far as being exposed…it’s not exactly new that their defense has sucked. They’ve been that way since 2006. Can’t make any stops when it counts…and most times they just can’t make any stops.

    BB the GM fails the BB the coach once again. Anyone notice in the NFL special that when he asked his coaches how they can improve, he was met with silence? He needs guys who will stand up and tell him when something is horsesh*t. In addition, they’ve been content to put the entire team’s fortune’s on Brady’s ability to deliver the ball…not planning for days when he just sucks. As great as he is, he’s not perfect.

    Thinking out loud here: Maybe a high pick on defense in the first round would do wonders. While other teams load up with first round talent, we get sloppy seconds more often than not.

  50. southridge23 says: Sep 25, 2011 5:09 PM

    Cool to see props from pats fans…you know we’ve been the whipping post for 8 yrs when we get this many congrats after a win lol

  51. tedmurph says: Sep 25, 2011 5:09 PM

    Congrats to Bills and their long suffering fans on a well deserved win over the Pats.

    Get in the gym Randy, I’ve had enough of the failed Ocho experiment. Cut him tomorrow, even Slater wouldn’t have dropped a wide open TD pass.

    Even gettin’ tired of BB’s BS. Haven’t fielded an NFL defense in 4 yrs. Whether it’s scheme or players, it’s his fault. Then he decides to get petulant (as usual after a loss) w/ the media after a simple question over a TO. Instead of answering a simple question, he makes the guy ask it 4 different ways before blowing him off, instead of just telling him what happened.

    Kraft should call him on the carpet. Free ride is gettin’ tired.

    Pats fan

  52. phinheads says: Sep 25, 2011 5:09 PM

    This Miami fan is ecstatic to see the torch being passed to the Bills. They’re sick of losing….just like me :-(

  53. tilllman40 says: Sep 25, 2011 5:10 PM

    I was there, the Ralph was rockin, bills r for real. Finally

  54. rabidbillsfan says: Sep 25, 2011 5:11 PM

    Ok I am glad we won, thats a monkey off the back. However, there is still work to be done, 2 come-from-behind wins in back-to-back weeks is alot for a team to handle, this will ultimatley be the Bills true test, not to have a Hiccup in Cincy. BB showed again why he is one of the greatest in the game, trying to challenge FJ scoring instead of being down at the one, I am almost certain 80% of the leauges coaches wouldn’t have even tried to argue that call. However, I am dissapointed in the harrassment that Fitz had to go through at the end of the game, ultimatley uncalled for and discipline should be handed down. Too many teams try to stop TB, but the best way to beat them is to just make sure you keep up. Call me a homer, but this team is the only team right now that can truely outscore anybody, and beat you multiple ways on offense. Freddie or Fitz for MVP? Hats off to Nick Barnett as well, the guy was all over the place today. NE fans, I hope you circle the rematch, because I expect nothing but another hard fought, close game. Go Bills! Could this be the year for Buffalo Sports to finally break through?

  55. etoharin78 says: Sep 25, 2011 5:11 PM

    Not trying to take anything away from the Bills, Congrats by the way, but is this the worst defense belichick has had?

  56. 1historian says: Sep 25, 2011 5:11 PM

    Bills and their fans – congratulations. you did it you earned it we’ll see you in Foxboro.

    No excuses.

    BTW – We’ll see you in Foxboro.

  57. 8man says: Sep 25, 2011 5:11 PM

    It’s the third game of the year. Whoop de do! Stop celebrating like you’ve already won the division.

    Can someone explain the interception by Barret that was overturned because of a penalty on Brown? It looked to me like the Bills wideout committed the penalty.

    And that Patriot defense remains awful.

  58. chrisnbeckett says: Sep 25, 2011 5:12 PM

    One win in 8 years now superbowl bound? Cmon really!!!!!

  59. norton20 says: Sep 25, 2011 5:12 PM

    Thanks to the Pats fans for their classy remarks. I only dream of my Bills having the type of record your team has had this past decade.

    It is easy to cheer for this Bills team. I am happy to see Fred Jackson and Fitz get some publicity. Jackson is a pro’s pro. Het gets the tough yards, makes the key blocks on pass pro and does all the little things to help them win. He is the best back they have had since Thurman. Nice job by Gailey to get his team ready each week and to play to their strengths offensively. The front office finally strengthened the run D with Dareus and Barnett. Now please pay Fitz and Fred ASAP!

  60. ytsejamer1 says: Sep 25, 2011 5:12 PM

    Here we go Red Sox, Here we go!!! *Clap Clap*…

    wait a sec…

  61. august1969 says: Sep 25, 2011 5:13 PM

    detroit and buffalo!

    this country is definitely in a recession!

  62. pnut87 says: Sep 25, 2011 5:13 PM

    Well if I wasn’t too busy watching the Giants kick the heck out of Vick, this is the game I would have been watching. The Bills are a clear sleeper this year. It’s official now. They need to take this win and build some serious momentum.

  63. ijahru says: Sep 25, 2011 5:13 PM

    Hurts to see my Patriots lose but congrats to the Bills and their fans. They played a great game.

  64. chrisnbeckett says: Sep 25, 2011 5:14 PM

    One win in 8 years and now superbowl bound? Cmon really

  65. rabidbillsfan says: Sep 25, 2011 5:15 PM

    sromgrom

    I’m Sorry but the Jambrones “12th Man” takes the cake.

  66. sadskinsfan89 says: Sep 25, 2011 5:15 PM

    So happy for Bills fans. This team has made two of the craziest comebacks I’ve seen. Just awesome congrats

  67. rowdymon says: Sep 25, 2011 5:15 PM

    Lake Erie sweep today. Don’t know the last time that the Browns, Bills and Lions won on the same day.

  68. emperor83 says: Sep 25, 2011 5:21 PM

    Show of hands, how many jaws drop at the mere thought of a BUFFALO vs. DETROIT Super Bowl?

  69. dennis2488 says: Sep 25, 2011 5:23 PM

    that call on sergio brown in the end zone was really something. not only did it negate an interception, it gave the bills at the 1 yard line. the nfl needs to get it together with calling offensive pass interference. a receiver can not run through a defender going for the ball and get a call. sorry.

  70. tedmurph says: Sep 25, 2011 5:26 PM

    Yet another genius post from Deb, she saw it all comin’ for the last 2 years when the Bills changed their whole staff, went 10-22, drafted poorly and came in last in the division that includes Miami. She would own Vegas.

    That being said, forget the poise and mental mistake BS, they got beat physically and it shoulda been worse. receivers wide open and FJackson running thru the “defense” untouched

  71. frankg2469 says: Sep 25, 2011 5:26 PM

    Us Bills fans finally have a real coach in town.Way to go Chan !!! Great game plan,adjustments, and clock management.

  72. billyhoyle4real says: Sep 25, 2011 5:27 PM

    WE’RE BAAAAACCCKKKK!!!
    Deal with it America!!!

  73. nflfuturist says: Sep 25, 2011 5:30 PM

    One of the few instances where Belichick has been outcoached.

    Overall though, extremely fun game to watch. Both squads played their asses off and both coaches showed guts and broke from traditional X and O football.

    Someone send Norv Turner a video of this game.

  74. tedmurph says: Sep 25, 2011 5:34 PM

    Chan Gailey, great coach, gave up on Kordell Stewart way too soon.

  75. steelerfan999 says: Sep 25, 2011 5:34 PM

    GO BILLS

  76. bucsballer says: Sep 25, 2011 5:36 PM

    Ur right that was the worst reffing…..the pats did get alot of BS calls and still couldnt win with the refs.

  77. waxedagain says: Sep 25, 2011 5:36 PM

    I wonder if Belichick will explain in Part III why he took the timeout at 1:37 that lost the game for the Pats.

  78. rectumnearlykilledem says: Sep 25, 2011 5:39 PM

    @buffalojill716
    C’mon, I was congratulating you guys. But lets be honest, Buffalo is a horrible city. There is a reason why your own owner is playing home games out of the country and would kill to move the team. Let’s be real, it’s a toilet with a history of sports failure as well. Sweetheart, I’m only saying what America already knows. Hang in there!

  79. lioncrazy says: Sep 25, 2011 5:42 PM

    Congrats Bills!!!! See you in the SB!!!!
    Lions

  80. tfbuckfutter says: Sep 25, 2011 5:43 PM

    frankg2469 says: Sep 25, 2011 5:26 PM

    Us Bills fans finally have a real coach in town.Way to go Chan !!! Great game plan,adjustments, and clock management.

    ————————————–

    Never thought I’d say it, but yeah, Chan deserves a HELL of a lot of credit for today’s win. Keeping a young team focused down big early….they made some mistakes, but his game plan and adjustments were pretty sharp.

  81. 3octaveFart says: Sep 25, 2011 5:43 PM

    Hmmm, the normal contingent of gum-flapping Pats fans are real quiet today.

  82. andrewfbrowne says: Sep 25, 2011 5:47 PM

    You want to know how good the Patriots are? Down three starters on Defense, starting what was their third string safety at the start of camp, no depth on d line called up a PS guy this week to play, Brady throws four picks on the road and they only lose by three.

    Wow, as a Bills fan, that is pretty awesome.

    It is just nice to be relevant again. It is nice to be talked about, and not have it be about snow, or dysfunction in the organization.

    Go Bills!!!!!

  83. 8man says: Sep 25, 2011 5:48 PM

    dennis2488 says:
    Sep 25, 2011 5:23 PM
    that call on sergio brown in the end zone was really something. not only did it negate an interception, it gave the bills at the 1 yard line. the nfl needs to get it together with calling offensive pass interference. a receiver can not run through a defender going for the ball and get a call. sorry.
    ————————————————
    Exactly what I thought when I saw it. But I was at a bar and didn’t have the advantage of actually hearing the game as well. So I spent the remainder of the 4th quarter steaming about it. That and the porous Patriots defense.

    Total crap call. I know that is a judgement call, but the NFL still isn’t doing enought to negate the ineptitude of it’s refs or their deleterious impact on the game.

  84. mempusa says: Sep 25, 2011 5:48 PM

    Saw that one coming! The bills played well.

  85. izzop says: Sep 25, 2011 5:55 PM

    From a pats fan, disagree that Belichick was outcoached or Brady outplayed. Bills had a great team win, no matter how you slice it to beat the pats. Congratulations! But let’s not go overboard, we’ve got 14 weeks until the first trophy. If the Bills don’t win the division or a wildcard, no one will remember this game.

  86. nesuperfan says: Sep 25, 2011 5:55 PM

    waxedagain says:Sep 25, 2011 5:36 PM

    I wonder if Belichick will explain in Part III why he took the timeout at 1:37 that lost the game for the Pats.
    __________________________________

    What happened is that because the TD was called back after the review, the clock started because Taylor was brought down (no reason to stop the clock), but because BB thought the time was not reset correctly, he could not discuss it, so he had to call the TO either way.

  87. gtrav says: Sep 25, 2011 6:00 PM

    Congrats to the Bills from a Patriots fan. We couldn’t stop you guys. That said, it’s week 3. The people on here saying the Pats are done, Belichick might not even be with the Pats next year, don’t get so excited too early. The real contenders emerge in mid-season. If it’s still the Bills, well good for them. Obviously I’m hoping not, but I always want the best team to win.

  88. ezg1 says: Sep 25, 2011 6:01 PM

    It Quite Possibly It Could Be The Infamous Albert
    Haynesworth Jinks! Team Cancer, Malcontent!

  89. backindasaddle says: Sep 25, 2011 6:03 PM

    Pats fan here. Congrats to the Bills and I’m very happy for their fans.

  90. aweber102405 says: Sep 25, 2011 6:07 PM

    im not a bills fan but i find myself rooting for ryan fitzpatrick ….think they really may have something there at the qb position…great job bills

  91. matiberio says: Sep 25, 2011 6:08 PM

    when the pats lost the SB to the Giants, I said, “they didn’t deserve to win”. Same thing today. Bills played well, and the Pats not so good… Bills deserved to win this one. Congrats to the Bills, enjoy it Bills fans…

  92. buffbill235 says: Sep 25, 2011 6:11 PM

    To the Pats fans congartualting the Bills and their fans, Thanks. Thats why the pats are a classy organization, not like the Jets.

  93. jpmelon says: Sep 25, 2011 6:13 PM

    This win was such a huge deal…..BUFFALO 3-0!!!! Intercepted Brady 4 (four) times!!!! What a great game. Simply amazing.

  94. giablommi says: Sep 25, 2011 6:14 PM

    Congrats to the Bills on a hard fought and much deserved victory. They look like the real deal and are on the right track.

    Simply an awful performance by the Pats today, eerily reminiscent of the 2009 team, get a big lead early, refuse to run the ball, throw a backbreaking INT or two, play no defense whatsoever and play with no heart, let teams dictate momentum and come back to steal a win.

    BB gets a well deserved ‘F’ for this disastrous display. My last name isn’t Lombardi, but I don’t think its too hard to figure out that when you’re up 3 TD’s and your defense is arguably as bad as any in NE in the Belichick era, perhaps you run the ball and work the clock and keep the D off the field rather than continously forcing the ball into coverage 30 yards down the field?
    Plenty of blame to go around but Belichick is delusional if he thinks turning every game into a track meet and trying to pass for 500 yards
    every game is going to punch a ticket to another Super Bowl. Pats haters may as well start popping champaign because the asinine way this game was managed in conjunction with an abominable defense gives me no hope this team will get another sniff of playing in February without a(nother) major overhaul.

    If the torch has to be passed to anyone, I’d rather it be Buffalo than anyone else in the AFC. Good luck.

  95. timmons94 says: Sep 25, 2011 6:15 PM

    Bills r for real..
    that being said, no Hernandez and the Pats still put on a display, Ochocinco dropped a beautful td pass..
    Pats d is awful, but is young and will improve by November…
    Pats will win the afc east
    Bills young wr’s are good as any in the NFL…

    welker- holy cow, what a game.

  96. bufny says: Sep 25, 2011 6:19 PM

    Change make-up of team… Done.
    Change Attitude of team… Done.
    Change Atmosphere ot team… Done.
    Change the Playing Field of team… Done.
    Change the Uniforms of the team… Done.
    Change Losses to WINS… Done
    AS A PROUD BILLS FAN,
    I LIKE all the Changes !!!!!
    P.S. Happy 10 Year Anniversary Tom…. : )

  97. billsrone says: Sep 25, 2011 6:22 PM

    @ wawa33 :

    No one circles the wagons like the Tonronto Bills! :

    Your a moron, regardless of the subject!

    Bills WIN! Get over it! A**hol& !!!

  98. Deb says: Sep 25, 2011 6:25 PM

    tedmurph says:

    Yet another genius post from Deb, she saw it all comin’ for the last 2 years when the Bills changed their whole staff, went 10-22, drafted poorly and came in last in the division that includes Miami. She would own Vegas.
    ————————————————-
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/21/dan-reeves-is-interested-in-joining-gailey-in-buffalo/

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/02/cowher-talks-about-his-buffalo-talks/

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/28/andre-johnson-says-hes-sorry/

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/29/ben-roethlisberger-will-undergo-tests-on-his-foot/

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/10/perry-fewell-to-interview-with-the-browns-tuesday/

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/21/buffalo-bills-pick-up-the-stache-to-coach-linebackers/

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/28/bills-make-marcell-dareus-the-no-3-overall-pick/

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/30/chan-gailey-brad-smith-is-a-quarterback-like-kordell-stewart/

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/18/these-arent-the-same-old-bills/

    You were saying, jackass?

  99. nickster2k says: Sep 25, 2011 6:34 PM

    Maybe the genius should play one of his tight ends on defense in critical situations?

  100. jpmelon says: Sep 25, 2011 6:40 PM

    To all the morons making fun of Detroit and Buffalo…..How’s life being a dedicated band-wagon, fair-weather fan? You probably wore a cowboys jersey in 1995, then a Patriots Jersey in 2002….right now you can’t decide on whether you should buy a Packers jersey or not….You want to know what it’s like to actually be a fan? win or lose? Ask us.

  101. rectumnearlykilledem says: Sep 25, 2011 6:46 PM

    Deb, you might be the biggest loser in the history of this site. I have never noticed you before but anybody who has enough time to search out their posts means you have no life outside of the internet. And btw, I’m sure somebody could search your other stuff and find 50 ridiculous, totally wrong stuff your posted also. Seriously, get out more, there’s a big world out there…I feel bad for people like you. :(

  102. staffordsyear says: Sep 25, 2011 6:47 PM

    Congrats bills fans.

  103. rectumnearlykilledem says: Sep 25, 2011 6:49 PM

    Seriously, how can people NOT make fun of Buffalo or Detroit. I’ve been to both places, I’d rather live in Afghanistan. It has nothing to do with sports. C’mon…the two cities are the toilets of America. And there is no way around…sorry kiddo. Get out more and you’ll see!

  104. rectumnearlykilledem says: Sep 25, 2011 6:51 PM

    And I wouldn’t talk about being a fan “win or lose”…the tickets sales were so poor in Buffalo the owner is trying to move the team. And who could blame him? Wake up kiddo.

  105. Deb says: Sep 25, 2011 6:55 PM

    rectumnearlykilledem says:

    Deb, you might be the biggest loser in the history of this site. I have never noticed you before but anybody who has enough time to search out their posts means you have no life outside of the internet. And btw, I’m sure somebody could search your other stuff and find 50 ridiculous, totally wrong stuff your posted also. Seriously, get out more, there’s a big world out there…I feel bad for people like you.

    ——————————————–
    Honey, I write and research for a living. Heard of Google? Pulling those links didn’t take five minutes. The guy said I was BSing on in my earlier post, and I demonstrated that I wasn’t. Period.

    For someone who’s never noticed me, I appreciate all this attention. It’s entertaining to be lectured by a guy named after his rectum.

  106. ravenzfan98 says: Sep 25, 2011 6:57 PM

    great job Bills unfortunately the NFL will look at ways they can overturn int’s vs Tom-dont touch me-Brady

  107. nickster2k says: Sep 25, 2011 6:58 PM

    jpmelon says:
    Sep 25, 2011 6:40 PM
    To all the morons making fun of Detroit and Buffalo…..How’s life being a dedicated band-wagon, fair-weather fan? You probably wore a cowboys jersey in 1995, then a Patriots Jersey in 2002….right now you can’t decide on whether you should buy a Packers jersey or not….You want to know what it’s like to actually be a fan? win or lose? Ask us.

    ========================

    Believe me, I’m excited for both franchises…..but simmer down– not like either has just won a SB.

  108. wikidpissah says: Sep 25, 2011 7:02 PM

    greendreams6 says:
    Where are all the Brady/NE Patriots fan boys now?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If you read before you wrote you’d have noticed that most of us are congratulating the Bills on a great win.

    Let’s watch the Jets fans react if the Raiders finish the job. The silence will be deafening.

    Well done Buffalo

  109. frankiefiveangels says: Sep 25, 2011 7:05 PM

    giablommi I couldn’t agree more. After years of “is it Brady or Belichick” to credit for the team’s success it’s clear it is Brady. To quote (sort of) Don Corleone from The Godfather “Belichick’s a pimp it was Brady all along”

  110. soaringelvis says: Sep 25, 2011 7:09 PM

    Yeah, yeah, yeah…nice win, Bills. You deserve it, you hung in there. You’re like the little brother we give a nuggey to because you sank a round-house left-handed hook shot from 20 feet to win a game a horse…

    Remember, the team the commits the most amount of turnovers wins the game over 90% of the time. Just a fact.

    What I like most about this game is that the last time the Patriots lost to Buffalo, they won the Super Bowl that year…So…Thank you!

  111. soaringelvis says: Sep 25, 2011 7:14 PM

    Remember, the team the commits the most amount of turnovers wins the game over 90% of the time. Just a fact.

  112. billsfan1 says: Sep 25, 2011 7:27 PM

    This win means more good for us than it means bad for NE. as long as Brady is QB they will be in the thick of super bowl talk….us not so much, but I feel like we MAY be turning things around….fitz is the real deal and well Brady had a rough game but still threw for 350 plus…it s ok he picked the best time to do it…..

    more than anything it gets the monkey off out back but I hink it clears up that we are the 3rd bst team in division….we got ways to go but we are headed in the right direction…..

  113. Spencer says: Sep 25, 2011 7:29 PM

    Nice to see the Bills’ fortunes turning, it’s been a long time coming.

  114. obamasballsack says: Sep 25, 2011 7:33 PM

    I’ve been a Pats for 7 years. The fact that a Bills fan has not died by my hands is a noble feat. That all might change today….

  115. buffalojill716 says: Sep 25, 2011 7:44 PM

    Rectum… Where exactly are you from? Can’t wait to here this one! I’ve traveled quite a bit and always think the grass is greener until I get home and realize, I, like most of the folks in Buffalo, actually like it here. Don’t bother coming back to Buffalo. You’re not wanted. Sounds like a bitter Bills hater to me! Jealous!!!

  116. joetoronto says: Sep 25, 2011 7:48 PM

    Joe Montana wouldn’t have thrown 4 picks.

    Just sayin. :)

  117. axespray says: Sep 25, 2011 7:49 PM

    Can’t wait to see Chris Berman do the highlights, congrats to bill’s fans and their team.

    But Don Beebe is still “OURS”.

  118. GG Eden says: Sep 25, 2011 7:59 PM

    New Chokeland Patriots :)

  119. savannahrose44 says: Sep 25, 2011 8:10 PM

    Way to go Buffalo! Keep up the good work.

  120. unbreakable02215 says: Sep 25, 2011 8:21 PM

    Ummmm, like I said unfortunately :(

    Last team with the ball wins today.

    Sh%t.

    Glad Williams injury ain’t as bad as it looked.

  121. TheWizard says: Sep 25, 2011 8:29 PM

    Furthermore, I’ve seen enough of the Chad Johnson experiment in 3 weeks. That pass through the hands was pathetic.

    This guy is taking a roster spot away from a player who might actually be productive.

  122. billsnbeer says: Sep 25, 2011 8:35 PM

    Delighted beyond belief that Buffalo won today. It’ll be Friday before the smile comes off my face. In the meantime…. I had Celine Deion as one of my receivers in FF today. She’s going to be living in dumpsville tomorrow.

  123. theandy59 says: Sep 25, 2011 8:44 PM

    The Bills deserve congratulations, they played well and made some big plays to win. But let’s not get crazy. Brady made a couple of uncharacteristic mistakes (the pick on the throw to Gronkowski being the prime example), the Bills got a pick six from a deflection off of a helmet, and there were a couple of really, really bad calls, particularly the interference call in the end zone negating a Patriot pick. These things happen in football, and it’s why only two teams have ever managed to get through a whole season undefeated, but it doesn’t in any way indicate a “changing of the guard”. If the Patriots play at their customary level, this game is a 17 point win for New England. When the season is over, New England will have 12 to 14 wins and be in the playoffs, Buffalo will be an 8 or 9 win team and will not be in the playoffs. Mark it down.

  124. cjspiller12 says: Sep 25, 2011 9:06 PM

    Stay classy Buffalo!!! Nice sportsmanship from the Patriot fans on here………….unlike the Jet fans….who are the biggest tool’s in the NFL. Would love to talk to that clown who told me Sanchez was a thousand times better than Fitz……I don’t think so!!!

  125. discosucs2005 says: Sep 25, 2011 9:11 PM

    “and it’s why only two teams have ever managed to get through a whole season undefeated”

    I believe one team has gone through an entire season undefeated, and another went 18-1. Not the same thing.

  126. kate773 says: Sep 25, 2011 10:09 PM

    Congrats Buffalo. Well deserved and hard fought win. They took advantage of mistakes and that’s what good teams do.

    Furious at the Pats. That game had clusterf*** written all over it. Even when they were up 21 I wasn’t comfortable knowing the Bills had just come back the week before. 3 weeks in a row they couldn’t stop anything. This is going to be a long season if that D doesn’t get any better. They’re a sieve. So they’ve gotten a few turnovers. Big deal. If Brady wasn’t throwing for 350+ yards still they’d be 0-3, turnovers or not. They look exactly like last year and the year before.

  127. tatatoothy says: Sep 25, 2011 10:18 PM

    Yours truly predicted this on 9/19. I took it to the bank – Suck it!

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/19/aaron-hernandez-expected-to-miss-bills-game/

    You gotta Bill-ieve! The Bills are Super Bowl bound!

  128. bradymancrush10 says: Sep 25, 2011 11:29 PM

    To all you Bills fans who are saying “pats fans are quiet”…. I see nothing but Pats fans giving credit to the Bills for a well played game,..enjoy your victory, you earned it….
    But it is still very early in the season…..

  129. realitypolice says: Sep 25, 2011 11:52 PM

    I don’t have time to read all of the comments, so this may have already been pointed out, but if not it needs to be said:

    Those new Bills unis are far and away the best in the league.

  130. discosucs2005 says: Sep 26, 2011 12:17 AM

    @tatatoothy

    I’m only give you a thumbs up for “Bill-ieve!” I don’t care if you predicted anything, but Bill-ieve has t-shirt written all over it. ESPN must never find out about this.

  131. tedmurph says: Sep 26, 2011 12:27 AM

    Honey, I write and research for a living. Heard of Google? Pulling those links didn’t take five minutes. The guy said I was BSing on in my earlier post, and I demonstrated that I wasn’t. Period.

    For someone who’s never noticed me, I appreciate all this attention. It’s entertaining to be lectured by a guy named after his rectum.
    ——————————————————–
    Spoken by a Chan Gailey groupie that has her head up her rectum. All you ever said in those posts was Gailey was a good coach, not that you saw the Bills coming But hey, he worked for the steelers, he must be great. You’re so full of it.

    If you use Google to do your research, I’d love to see who you work for.

  132. dudeicle says: Sep 26, 2011 12:30 AM

    playoffs???? Don’t talk about playoffs… you kiddin’ me? Playoffs???!!

    Pats looked like s*** in the second half. Secondary got lit up for the 3rd game in a row. 4 interceptions, one for a TD. Ouch. Won’t be any easier next week. At least the Jets lost, too :-P

  133. tedmurph says: Sep 26, 2011 12:36 AM

    Also, gotta love the ‘I told you so types’. You know, the ones that arer wrong 99/100 times but have documentation when they think they’re right.

  134. belicheckyoself says: Sep 26, 2011 12:49 AM

    Good game youse bastits.
    BUF won because they didn’t lose heart and kept the energy level through the roof. They made and took advantage of a Lot of big plays. Their D outprepped our O.
    I was BSing with a Packers fan (long term) for most of the game, and we were in agreement. Really the team to beat in the conference right now.
    Salute their longterm fans too, that was a drought for awhile there.

    I remember a line from the NFL films on the 03 Pats… “The Patriots’ next loss would come in October… of the following year.” Ah the good old days.

  135. jpmelon says: Sep 26, 2011 1:08 AM

    @ obamasballsack

    In reference to your comment about killing a Bills fan……Dude, get a life……I’d like to see you go into the Ralph with that attitude. I can’t beleive your comment made it past the admins.

  136. flbills says: Sep 26, 2011 5:44 AM

    Bills …Out-played, out-hustled and out-COACHED the overrated Pats. You got to love it!
    GO BILLS!

  137. BernardPollardIsAnAss says: Sep 26, 2011 8:15 AM

    Well, hard to argue with all the Bills fans on here. I was doubting them before the game but no more. I took my son to lunch and then the Lion King 3D yesterday afternoon. When we got up to go to the movie it was 21 – 0. Imagine my surprise when I come out and see the Patriots going for it on 4th down just to tie. God game Bills, and a HUGE win. Now they just need to beat the Jets when they have their turn. As a Patriots fan, it is hard to be really mad about being neat by the Bills. A loss is a loss, and that sucks, but every streak has to come to an end and it is better now than in the playoffs or something like that. I’ll say this though… if need 4 INTs to beat Tom Brady, you will not win the next game. He hasn’t had an off day in 2 years. He won’t be having another again on New Year’s Day. Good luck Bills fans. Beat the Jets and we’ll see you again in January. Hard not to like this team. No real a-holes on it. They all seem like a bunch of nice guys (other than Merriman).

  138. tatum064 says: Sep 26, 2011 10:14 AM

    crunktim says:
    Sep 25, 2011 4:59 PM
    I don’t think Brady was exposed I just think there were bad bounces on both sides. Two of Brady’s passes were tipped including the pick 6. Just bad luck. Fitzpatrick had a tipped INT as well. To be honest, this is the first time I can remember since I’ve been into football that the Bills won an important game.
    ===========================
    What are you? 14 or 15? The Bills have been in four Super Bowl’s.

    Strange how people’s memories are post 2001 regarding the Patriots.

  139. billsfan007 says: Sep 26, 2011 12:27 PM

    rectumnearlykilledem says:Sep 25, 2011 6:51 PM

    And I wouldn’t talk about being a fan “win or lose”…the tickets sales were so poor in Buffalo the owner is trying to move the team. And who could blame him? Wake up kiddo.

    ———————————————————-
    are you retarded? the bills play in toronto to try and expand the fan base. the bills pretty much sell out all of their games, and Ralph Wilson doesnt want to move the team otherwise he would have already. reading all of your other posts made me realize how pathetic you really are. i really dont think youve ever been to buffalo or detroit. my guess is that you live in your mothers basement watching porn and blogging because you have no job or friends.

  140. Deb says: Sep 26, 2011 12:49 PM

    tedmurph says:
    Also, gotta love the ‘I told you so types’. You know, the ones that arer wrong 99/100 times but have documentation when they think they’re right.
    ———————————————-
    I use all kinds of tools to research. The point was that I didn’t spend all day scrolling posts. I was excited about the Bills’ win and said I’d been saying Chan was a great coach and the team was better than its record–and I had. You and rectum attacked because you’re petty lil boys looking for a place to vent your frustration about the Pats. The girl was an easy target. Have at it, big man. Won’t change the score.

  141. bullcharger says: Sep 26, 2011 1:57 PM

    billyhoyle4real says:Sep 25, 2011 5:27 PM

    WE’RE BAAAAACCCKKKK!!!
    Deal with it America!!!

    ————–

    Back to what??? Losing Super Bowls?

  142. Deb says: Sep 26, 2011 2:29 PM

    @tedmurph …

    And by the way, I said repeatedly in those posts that the Bills were better than their record, so you’re misleading the audience by claiming I said nothing about seeing the Bills coming. A Chan Gailey groupie? That’s new. :lol:

  143. patsfiend says: Sep 26, 2011 3:19 PM

    nyjalleffingday says:
    Overrated Pats lose, overrated Eagles lose, Jets winning- it’s been a good day.

    ——————-

    Not so fast, buttmunch! LOL!

    (Congrats Bills fans! We’ll see if you guys have staying power, and Pats will see you at the end of the season in Foxboro!.)

  144. cliverush says: Sep 26, 2011 5:06 PM

    Buffalo is a beautiful city with parks designed by Frederick Law Olmstead, numerous turn of the century buildings in the downtown area that could never be reproduced today. The upstate area of New York State is filled with great people and cities. Hard working and friendly they are being passed over by the New World Order who don’t do business in America anymore. It is not a dump as described by a no-nothing but a city which will live on. Written by a Bostonian.

  145. bozosforall says: Sep 27, 2011 1:54 PM

    tedmurph says:
    Sep 26, 2011 12:36 AM
    Also, gotta love the ‘I told you so types’. You know, the ones that arer wrong 99/100 times but have documentation when they think they’re right.


    Thanks for describing most New England sports fans, the biggest loudmouth whiners in all of sports.

  146. bozosforall says: Sep 27, 2011 1:56 PM

    billsfan007 says:
    Sep 26, 2011 12:27 PM
    rectumnearlykilledem says:Sep 25, 2011 6:51 PM

    And I wouldn’t talk about being a fan “win or lose”…the tickets sales were so poor in Buffalo the owner is trying to move the team. And who could blame him? Wake up kiddo.

    ———————————————————-
    are you retarded? the bills play in toronto to try and expand the fan base. the bills pretty much sell out all of their games, and Ralph Wilson doesnt want to move the team otherwise he would have already. reading all of your other posts made me realize how pathetic you really are. i really dont think youve ever been to buffalo or detroit. my guess is that you live in your mothers basement watching porn and blogging because you have no job or friends.

    __
    Add to that the fact that the original poster’s favorite team changed their original regional representation in order to “expand the fan base”, then when they wanted a new stadium, they threatened to move to Hartford. Pats fans, as usual, suck.

  147. bozosforall says: Sep 27, 2011 1:59 PM

    Deb says:
    Sep 25, 2011 6:55 PM
    rectumnearlykilledem says:

    Deb, you might be the biggest loser in the history of this site. I have never noticed you before but anybody who has enough time to search out their posts means you have no life outside of the internet. And btw, I’m sure somebody could search your other stuff and find 50 ridiculous, totally wrong stuff your posted also. Seriously, get out more, there’s a big world out there…I feel bad for people like you.

    ——————————————–
    Honey, I write and research for a living. Heard of Google? Pulling those links didn’t take five minutes. The guy said I was BSing on in my earlier post, and I demonstrated that I wasn’t. Period.

    For someone who’s never noticed me, I appreciate all this attention. It’s entertaining to be lectured by a guy named after his rectum.

    ___
    rectumnearlykilledem = OWNED
    (by someone other than his normal johns, who just RENT his rectum by the hour)

  148. tedmurph says: Sep 27, 2011 2:52 PM

    bozosforall says:Sep 27, 2011 1:54 PM

    tedmurph says:
    Sep 26, 2011 12:36 AM
    Also, gotta love the ‘I told you so types’. You know, the ones that arer wrong 99/100 times but have documentation when they think they’re right.


    Thanks for describing most New England sports fans, the biggest loudmouth whiners in all of sports.
    -==================================
    Well said by the mental midget who trolls every site w/ a Patriots tag so he can whine about cheating. Some people just have too much time on their hands. If you’re looking for a loudmouth whiner, invest in a mirror.

  149. tomcous says: Sep 28, 2011 9:31 AM

    Very high percentage of classy Congrats from Pats fans on here! …

    Plenty of smack too … but kudos go out to the Pats fans from my angle!

    Long time coming – AND YES – we will see ya in Foxboro …

    Last time Bills won (31-0) at home, the Pats won their home game (31-0) …

    Hell of a game … hope the 2nd is just as exciting!

  150. phoenixsong17 says: Sep 28, 2011 11:36 AM

    From a Lions fan to the Bills….congrats! I know how good it feels to finally be winning! =)

  151. drunkendegenerate says: Sep 28, 2011 12:46 PM

    21 point lead?

    what’s up with hoodie’s pathetic defense the last few years? HUH??!!!

  152. stanmackley says: Sep 28, 2011 4:02 PM

    @tedmurph @rectumnearlykilledem Both of you special ed’s got owned by deb lol… i love it when tarded trolls get pwned in here. tools.

  153. stanmackley says: Sep 28, 2011 4:07 PM

    @rectumnearlykilledem says: “the tickets sales were so poor in Buffalo the owner is trying to move the team.”

    wow, check the boards big guy. how does buffalo’s fan attendance compare with the rest of the league over the last ten years??? i know your breath smells like SH because all you do is talk out of your a$$.

  154. tedmurph says: Sep 28, 2011 5:39 PM

    Yet another know-nothing jackass (that can’t spell) chimes in. It’s not about attendence, what else is there to do in Buff anyway. It’s about being the #46 market with a crappy stadium. It’s about the NFL wanting to expand internationally.
    It’s about Toronto being able to put up huge $ and offer a better venue. Enjoy it while it lasts. As they say, NFL means not for long. Tool.

  155. EJ says: Sep 29, 2011 7:29 AM

    Chan Gailey has been great at coming out at halftime with better plans.

  156. waynefontes says: Sep 29, 2011 7:40 AM

    Congratulations to the Bills for their victory and the great start to the season.

    However, I remember being excited the last time the Bills beat the Patriots, 31-0 in the season opener back in 2003.

    I’ve always liked Lawyer Milloy and I liked how Drew Bledsoe was so classy about the tom Brady situation. So, I was happy to see that result.

    And everyone knows how that season turned out for both teams.

    Great win for the Bills and their long-suffering fans but to quote Harvey Keitel from “Pulp Fiction”..

    “Well, let’s not start sucking each other’s dic*s quite yet. …”

    Lot of football left to be played. But I bet it’s nice to be a Bills fan and being optimistic for a change.

  157. 1bbfan says: Sep 30, 2011 5:46 PM

    @waynefontes….It is … hope to continue to improve and continue winning for a while.

  158. robcypher says: Oct 2, 2011 1:43 AM

    It’ll look nice if they win their division this year – then next year Toronto will appreciate their new team even more!

    However, do expect the Bills to have at least one loss in their record this year if they happen to play the Steelers.

  159. stanmackley says: Oct 2, 2011 10:18 AM

    @tedmurph

    The fact is, you nor anyone else can make the ticket sales argument against the Buffalo Bills. It’s factually inaccurate and cannot be used as an indicator that the Bills will relocate.

    What exactly does “the NFL wanting to expand internationally” have anything to do with the Bills leaving Buffalo? moron.

    Buffalo “being the #46 market” – please tell me you are trying to tie market size to success. please try to make that argument.

    And I’ll give you the fact that the Ralph is outdated. But the Rogers Center is nothing to stake a claim on relocating. And I wouldn’t hold your breath for all that “Toronto big $” you claim is on the table. Actually, check that, hold your breath. lol

  160. tedmurph says: Oct 3, 2011 6:06 AM

    Are you serious? I didn’t make ticket sale argument. As for expanding internationally, you do realize Toronto is in another country, right moron? You seriously don’t think the NFL wants teams in the biggest markets? TV $ drives the league, that’s why someone is moving to LA once a decent stadium is built.

    Toronto will put $ on the table, is a bigger market with a better venue(more corporate boxes etc). You’re even more of a tool than I thought. The minute Wilson is gone, so are the Bills.

  161. stanmackley says: Oct 4, 2011 1:41 PM

    keep banking on this play money that toronto “is going to put on the table” lol. i know that factual inaccuracy is pretty much your thing, tell your mommy to heat you up another hot pocket and do some reading lil guy. your winning argument is based completely on hypotheticals. you have no indicator that the bills jump to toronto, thats my whole point, aside from the fact that you should keep your helmet on after you try to type out responses.

    and the baseball stadium known as the rogers center is a “better venue” with a staggering payload of 54000 seats, that has yet to sell out an NFL game.
    tedmurph=genius.

  162. stanmackley says: Oct 4, 2011 2:56 PM

    “You seriously don’t think the NFL wants teams in the biggest markets?”

    Goodell wants the NFL in Buffalo, sorry moron.

    “TV $ drives the league, that’s why someone is moving to LA once a decent stadium is built.”

    By this math I guess all the fans of the Bills can kiss their team goodbye right? Oh, and the Titans, and the Saints, oh and the Packers, and the Bengals, and the Jags too, oh and probably the Cheifs too, all of their markets aren’t big enough right? market size does not determine success you raving inbread.

    “Toronto will put $ on the table”
    how much $ and from who again? sorry moron.

    “bigger market with a better venue”
    no NFL will ever make a home to a baseball stadium that maxes out at 54k. sorry moron.

    “The minute Wilson is gone, so are the Bills.”
    ownership will change but you have nothing showing that the bills will leave buffalo. sorry moron.

    and im the tool? try again?

  163. tedmurph says: Oct 5, 2011 4:56 AM

    OK tool, one more time. If you want to find out about Toronto, turn off Spongebob and pick up a newspaper. What’s your indication Godell wants a team in Buff? Why? 3 out of 7 games were blacked out last yr. There is no season ticket waiting list. Why do you think they’ve already played preseason and regular season games in Toronto. NFL minimum for seating is 50K, which qualifies Toronto, especially with the number of luxury boxes. Nothing says a new owner can’t build a new stadium. As for TV markets, there are 32 teams:

    Nashville #29 market
    KC #31
    Cincy#33
    Jax #49, they’re gone too.
    GB, healthy franchise with tradition and a national following, close enough to Milw #35.
    NO, #1 NFL SB venue, although there’s been talk about them moving too.

    Toronto is the #4 market in North America, which woulsd expand the next TV contract. Someone will find a way to exploit this. If the economy was better it would have happened already. Watch what happens. In the meantime, since you have no facts, think of some more names to call me.

  164. stanmackley says: Oct 5, 2011 9:14 PM

    “What’s your indication Godell wants a team in Buff? ”
    the fact that you are asking for this is proof that your head is crammed up your rear. Countless quotes from Goodell on Buffalo’s Toronto CONTRACT games where he is on the record stating that he wants the Bills in Buffalo for a long time. And he is a native of WNY, which won’t hurt the Bills chances. This started back in 2008 and has been reaffirmed countless times. Ad to this the fact that the Collective Bargaining Agreement even exists, and the League calls for revenue sharing which, by design levels the playing field for smaller market teams. When did the new CBA pass???? How long is it good for????? AND IM THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO READ???? Read this and go away. http://bit.ly/n9papp

    http://es.pn/oG2KwR
    “We certainly hope the Buffalo Bills continue to be in Western New York,” said Goodell
    “As a Western New York guy, I know how important it is to that region and how passionate our fans are there.” said Goodell
    ““The effort we’ve been going through with the Buffalo Bills and the business leaders in the surrounding areas is to regionalize the team and to draw from a broader area, including Southern Ontario and the Toronto area. I believe that’ll be good for the Bills to be successful in Buffalo.” said Goodell

    “3 out of 7 games were blacked out last yr.”
    thats true http://bit.ly/g3s28T last year was the worst year they have nearly ever faced as far as ticket sales. what about all the other years? oh you dont care to go there huh? what about this year?? it doesnt fit your idiotic agenda so you glaze over it. nice.

    “Why do you think they’ve already played preseason and regular season games in Toronto.”
    It’s call regional outreach genius. And, wait… ITS WORKING. A 3 preseason games and 5 season game contract with Rogers ending in 2012 has increased the attendance base to Ralph Wilson stadium. The also hold training camp in Rochester, are they moving there Einstein?? By this stroke of brilliance I guess the Bears and the Bucs are moving to London this year right? Oh and the Cardinals and 49ers moved to Mexico in 2005 too right??? wow.

    “NFL minimum for seating is 50K, which qualifies Toronto, especially with the number of luxury boxes. Nothing says a new owner can’t build a new stadium.”
    This is just too easy. The Rogers Center isn’t big enough for any NFL team to call it home. this is common knowledge. 54k wont cut it, unless the bengals move there. and yes, luxury suites are nice, very good lil guy.

    “there’s been talk about them moving too.”
    thats all you have is talk. advantage goes to the home team. they are there until you can prove otherwise jack. and you cant prove anything.

    tedmurph pwned again.

  165. stanmackley says: Oct 5, 2011 9:22 PM

    and whatever moderator deleted my last post is a freaking jakoff that needs to re-examine why posts are removed. idiot.

  166. tedmurph says: Oct 6, 2011 12:01 AM

    Yes, and Godell said he’d only stick it in a little, you naive jackass.

    There was revenue sharing in the last CBA too. This time the hurting small market teams got a little more, but not much.

    No other NFL team has a contract to play in a different venue EVERY yr for 5 yrs.

    Regional outreach. LoL. Another way to say the Buffalo market and poor WNY economy is too small to support an NFL team.

    Luxury suites=$ that isn’t subject to revenue sharing. You understand nothing about business.

    I’m sure your last post was deleted because I’m not the only one that realizes you’re a know-nothing tool.

    Stadium lease is up in 2012, bye-bye.

    Anything else?

  167. stanmackley says: Oct 6, 2011 8:44 AM

    lol you are completely clueless. what a moron. remember when you said “What’s your indication Godell wants a team in Buff?”
    then i provided links and quotes from Goodell where he is saying he wants the Bills in Buffalo.

    Then you said Bills are likely to move because ““3 out of 7 games were blacked out last yr.”
    again, more idiocy, you will only look at ONE single years ticket sales instead of the whole picture.

    THEN, you said- “Why do you think they’ve already played preseason and regular season games in Toronto.”
    Maybe this is the best yet! You completely glaze over the fact that this mini contract is an excellent money maker for the Bills, and that it expands the base. And Goodell supports it. dipsh1t… Add to this Paul Godfrey, the former former Blue Jays president and current Postmedia CEO (one of your big money toronto stakeholders right?) knows that an NFL team in toronto WONT BE THE BILLS- http://bit.ly/kyU1EB

    THEN YOU SAID, ““NFL minimum for seating is 50K, which qualifies Toronto”
    WRONG AGAIN GENIUS! You googled through and found an incorrectly cited WIKIPEDIA article. The cutoff is NOT 50k- ill give you a cookie if you find the correct number. ouch huh?

    “Regional outreach. LoL. ”
    yeah, darn those facts. darn that extra money, darn those extra fans… what a reject you are lol.

    “Stadium lease is up in 2012″
    yep it is.
    If you can “project” that the lease will not be extended you certainly have some factual evidence right??? WRONG LOL. b1tchslapping you around like this is fun! will the public still support the team with tax$?? YES- here, http://bit.ly/eKEgky and here http://bit.ly/hxyx7t

    is a lease expected to be resigned? YES, before the 2012 season. Have talks started? YES- http://sbn.to/jsTTy3 and here http://bit.ly/reMKZd
    AAAAND, Good ole Ralphy is currently negotiating to upgrade the facility and resign with the County- here- http://bit.ly/pzuS32

    OH yeah, and i am the know nothing tool. lol. learn to read, again, you have NOTHING. nothing. no facts, no citations, just moronic ramblings of bs.

  168. tedmurph says: Oct 6, 2011 2:32 PM

    Santa and the tooth fairy are coming soon too.

    What do expect Goodell to say, you naive fool, “I’d like the Bills to be in a bigger market.”?

    Yeh, Bills make $ playing in Toronto, CAUSE THEY NEED IT. You don’t see any legit franchises doing that.

    What year do you think ticket sales should be looked at? 1992?

    If another team moved to Toronto, the Bills would be dead. They’re in bad shape now, would have to move after losing part of regional fan base.

    50k is the correct number. Lease extension is wishful thinking. Anything else, tool?

  169. tedmurph says: Oct 6, 2011 2:52 PM

    Even if a new lease is signed, a new owner will be able to buy it out. 20 mil is nothing when you’rre paying 800 mil. Wilson’ s estate will be looking to sell before the body is cold.

    RCA Dome cap 58K. for 23 yrs. Soldier field 61k. Rodgers Centre 55k.

  170. stanmackley says: Oct 7, 2011 8:33 AM

    “RCA Dome cap 58K.” HAHAHAHAHA are you talking about Lucas Oil Stadium??? Maybe when it was the Hoosier dome it held 58k idiot. Check your wikipedia genius. The LUCAS OIL STADIUM HOLDS 66,153 you jakoff. But again, I know “facts” aren’t really your thing.

    “What do expect Goodell to say, you naive fool,”
    lol, I’ll take Goodell’s word over some idiot in his moms basement every day of the year.

    “What year do you think ticket sales should be looked at? 1992?”
    How about the way normal analysts do it? Hmmm I dunno, maybe a 5 or 10 year lookback?? Nah you don’t want to do it because it would require a little work and it won’t support your idiocy so you pretend its not there. nice.

    “If another team moved to Toronto, the Bills would be dead. They’re in bad shape now, would have to move after losing part of regional fan base.”
    Bills are the 8th most profitable club in the league http://bit.ly/pijHoh, (nice try idiot) and are one the most well attended NFL teams in the last 10 year. You say “They’re in bad shape now” and this statement shows that you are a complete idiot.

    “50k is the correct number. Lease extension is wishful thinking. Anything else, tool?”
    Do you have the link? I DO!! TOO BAD you cant just “google” this one right expert? No Wikipedia bs for you here you tard.

    and once again you make outrageous claims with ABSOLUTELY no citations. You have NOTHING. nothing. no facts, no citations, just moronic ramblings of bs. hahahahahaa

  171. tedmurph says: Oct 7, 2011 10:13 AM

    Your stupidity is truly beyond the pale. My point was the RCA Dome capacity was 58k and that was fine with the NFL for 23yrs. That compares to Rodgers Centre 55k. Lucas Oil Field is a new venue they opened in 2008. Google that.

    50,000 IS THE CORRECT NUMBER.

    Another example of your lack of understanding: Yes, the Bills are profitable, BECAUSE THEY DON’T SPEND ANY $ ON PlAYERS! They are consistantly 26th, 27th in cap spending. That’s why the’ve sucked for so many yrs(well, part of the reason).

    Signing a new lease, even if it does happen, is irrelevent. As I’ve already pointed out. So are ticket sales from 5-10 yrs ago.

    OK sonny, school’s out. Time for recess.

  172. stanmackley says: Oct 7, 2011 10:37 AM

    Citing seating cap for an old stadium while trying to make an argument towards a new franchise is asinine! Get a Clue!

    You continue to state your facts and refuse to give citations. You are ridiculous. Again, you have nothing.

    All of your claims are nonfactual, uncredited, and retarded. The half-a$$ed bs you spout off is ripped and stolen from this wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_in_Toronto to which you copy and paste from. WHAT A JOKE YOU SUCK!!!!!

  173. tedmurph says: Oct 7, 2011 6:24 PM

    OK, so your argument consists of calling me names once again. It’s a pleasure to abuse you. Remember, I pointed out the Rodgers Centre capacity is 55k and used the RCA Dome Capacity(58k) to prove my point. You didn’t even realize they had a different stadium, Mr. Facts. Hoosier Dome? when was the last time it was called that?
    I refuse citations? Where’s your secret website that says NFL minimum seating capacity is not 50k? I didn’t think so. I’ve refuted every one of your arguments, so as the TOOL that you are , you resort to name calling.

  174. stanmackley says: Oct 7, 2011 9:53 PM

    “used the RCA Dome Capacity(58k) to prove my point.”
    Proving your point with a stadium that no longer exists because it was outdated. Well done! True genius.

    “You didn’t even realize they had a different stadium, Mr. Facts. Hoosier Dome? when was the last time it was called that?”
    Well, the last time it was called the Hoosier Dome is how long ago it was that you could use it’s seating requirements to “prove” why a franchise would move to the Rogers Center, IN THE YEAR 2012. lol. again, pure genius.

    “I refuse citations? ” “I’ve refuted every one of your arguments,”
    You have offered ZERO citations and you “refuting” anything is more like an idiotic rant from Miss Chloe’s psychic hotline. scroll up, you threw out the first “name calling”, I just say what we all see, you are an idiot and have been made a fool of.
    The half-a$$ed bs you spout off is ripped and stolen from this wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_in_Toronto to which you copy and paste from. In fact, you only steal the parts that suit your idiocy. Read this part?? “NFL expansion into Toronto unlikely ”
    “the Centre’s capacity is well below the NFL’s seating capacity minimum, ”
    “a large-scale expansion would be very difficult because of the stadium’s design. This means that a new football specific stadium would have to be built. ”
    “luxury boxes in the stadium, which count as “unshared” revenue in the NFL’s revenue sharing and collective bargaining agreements.”

    all from here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_in_Toronto#Relocation_scenarios

    you lose.

  175. tedmurph says: Oct 8, 2011 2:54 AM

    Really pal, you’re just a joke. Hoosier/RCA Dome had a capacity for FB of 58k, which was fine for the NFL for 23 yrs thruogh 2007. Rodgers Centre 55K is also above the NFL minimum since THEY PLAY REGULAR SEASON GAMES THERE, dumbass.

    “the Centre’s capacity is well below the NFL’s seating capacity minimum”. Obviously a mistake, that anyone with any reading skills could comprehend through the context. I didn’t paste anything from Wiki, too unreliable..

    “I just say what we all see”. Who’s ‘we’, you and your collection of action figures? This thread is dead, like your brain.

    “a large-scale expansion would be very difficult because of the stadium’s design. This means that a new football specific stadium would have to be built. ” Fine build another stadium while playing @RC for a few years.

    “luxury boxes in the stadium, which count as “unshared” revenue in the NFL’s revenue sharing and collective bargaining agreements.”
    Allow me to explain this to you as well. This would be good for new ownership in Toronto because they get to keep this $, instead of sharing it with the league. In Buffalo, they have one of the smallest revenue streams in the NFL. Right there W/Cincy and Jax. That’s why these small market teams were crying for bigger welfare checks from the NFL @ the CBA negotiations than the 10mil they got under the old CBA. You clearly know nothing about this.

    Schooled again. Any more questions? Tool.

  176. stanmackley says: Oct 8, 2011 8:59 AM

    “fine for the NFL for 23 yrs thruogh 2007. ”
    YEP! 4 years ago there was a stadium that hardly any seats. YOU CANT USE THIS AS AN INDICATOR FOR FUTURE MOVES! Whats so hard to understand, this makes no sense you retard!

    “Who’s ‘we”
    Probably all the thumbs down you get on this and every other thread. You suck and everyone sees it! HAHAHHAHA

    “Fine build another stadium ”
    WTF!!! So now all this Toronto $ will have to buy the team and just build another stadium HAHAHAHA. Give me one source that anyone in Toronto is prepared to do that. THEIR NOT!!! YOU’RE A MORON!!!

    “This would be good for new ownership in Toronto because they get to keep this $”
    Thanks for this gem, I walked you right into this one… So your pea brain thinks the league would allow a team into the smallest stadium, on the basis that they have a bunch of luxury suites to which the NFL gets no money from??? REMEMBER YOU SAID “NFL minimum for seating is 50K, which qualifies Toronto, especially with the number of luxury boxes.” AND THEN YOU SAID “Luxury suites=$ that isn’t subject to revenue sharing.”

    Your idiocy has now come full circle with you contradicting yourself. How about breaking out Miss Chloe’s crystal ball and schooling me again!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA you are the worst.

  177. tedmurph says: Oct 8, 2011 8:32 PM

    You’re so weak. Yes the NFL would allow a team into the smallest stadium when the revenue stream would be increased. The big market teams make more money exactly because they generate more $ they don’t have to share. Otherwise, all teams would have the same revenue stream. This is why teams like the Cowboys and the Pats have to bail out welfare cases like the bills and the bengals w/220 mil supplementary pool. If teams can generate more of their own revenue, the other owners(who vote on expansion and moving teams) wouldn’t have to write welfare checks, that owners like Brown and Wilson just pocket, instead of spending on players and marketing. I guess it’s useless to market in WNY, nobody has any money. With the new CBA, this gravy train is gonna dry up soon. GB does a great job of this, they’re 12th in revenue almost solely due to marketing to their fanbase. Hope you’re starting to grasp the concept, I know it’s hard due to your obvious lack of knowledge. I’m sure an investor would see that he can buy the 26th lowest valued franchise in the NFL, bring it to the #4 market in North America and make a score. Even if he has to build a stadium with his own $, like Kraft did. There’s a reason Buff always comes up as one of the teams most likely to move, whether you’rerin denial or not. I’m sure mommy will still iron your Bills pj’s. Someone goes to LA first, after that watch what happens. School’s out, laughing boy. Hope you learned something.

    By the way, the # is still 50,000. Why do I waste time on morons. I should work at the unemployment office, I could probably help you out more over there. Then again, most jobs require a high school diploma.

  178. stanmackley says: Oct 8, 2011 9:07 PM

    “Yes the NFL would allow a team into the smallest stadium”
    Again, I’ll take an experts word over an idiot like you. How about a guy that worked hands on with past proposals to bring the NFL to Toronto? Once you dig into the details of an NFL team staging in the Rogers Center, well, lets just say you’d have to be retarded to think it can happen. http://bit.ly/kyU1EB

    “With the new CBA, this gravy train is gonna dry up soon.”
    You sure are one dumb dipsh1t. You can’t even explain the bullsh1t that you write because you are hacking it all from wikipedia. The new cba helps the small market teams just as much as the old one. The new supplemental revenue sharing plan includes a new 10-percent tax on the teams at the top end of the revenue pool. That money is taken and distributed to the lowest revenue teams… How many teams are in the low end you d1ck? How many more teams do you consider “welfare cases”??? LOL. You just made an a$$ of yourself because your knowledge base on the matter is on the level of a kid with palsy. Add to the fact that you aren’t willing to read, you just skim than cut and paste.

    “Even if he has to build a stadium with his own $, ”
    I KNEW IT!!! YOU ARE MISS CHLOE!!! ” Ya mon, we jus buy de bills team an move dem mon, den we just build a stadium mon its so easy dont bodda using facts mon! I can tell da fewcha!!!!!”

    More clueless babbling from the idiot. Bless your heart you dont have anything! nice links you dipsh1t! You have been made a fool, talking in circles and contradicting yourself. You continue to provide NO EVIDENCE that ANY team will indeed move to Toronto by any means available (much less the Bills). You STOLE from a wikipedia source, then I used it against you so you disregard it! You are a poor joke!
    You have abandoned so much of your argument that I can just repost my old posts and watch you snake your way around it again.

    b1tchslapping you around like this is fun!

  179. tedmurph says: Oct 9, 2011 10:19 AM

    Ok tool, school’s back in. Here are the CBA facts according to Forbes.com, not Wiki. The old CBA pool for have-nots(8-12 teams) was 210mil in 2009, 220mil in 2010. Top teams had to kick in 10mil each. The new CBA has a 10% tax, but with a kick in cap of 3.5 mil/ team. The pool for low revenue teams is now only expected to be 50- 100mil. That would be less(just in case you didn’t get it). This pool is also expected to decrease over the course or the deal to almost nothing after 10 yrs. Also in 2013, teams are going to have to spend to 89% of the cap, which the Bills don’t currently do, further decreasing their revenue/profit.

    Your cited article just basically says a new stadium in Toronto is viable. Rodgers centre would be fine in the interim because, I’ll say it again, THEY’RE ALREADY PLAYING REGULAR SEASON NFL GAMES THERE. Ford doesn’t think it will be the Bills, fine, that’s the opinion of a Toronto city counciller. But if another team comes in the Bills are dead anyway. They’ll lose tens of thousands of regional fans that will turn their attention to their own local team.

    This is too easy. You’re just not informed enough to argue with me.

  180. tedmurph says: Oct 9, 2011 10:21 AM

    Nice touch giving yourself ‘thumbs up’, you insecure pinhead. No one else has looked @ this thread since Oct 2.

  181. stanmackley says: Oct 9, 2011 11:23 AM

    Miss Chloe Strikes again!
    “This pool is also expected to decrease over the course or the deal to almost nothing after 10 yrs. ”
    “But if another team comes in the Bills are dead anyway. ”

    YA MON CALL MEH NOW I TELL YA DA FUTCHA!

    You just make up bullsh1t because you cant prove a point. Or even make a point for that matter.

    You jumped so far from your original post, now you are trying with all your palsy might to understand the CBA, which infact protects small market teams for another 10 years.
    Goodell doesn’t even like the Toronto idea http://bit.ly/d500A3
    “until ground breaks on a new stadium somewhere in the Greater Toronto Area, the NFL will not allow a team to play in the city on a permanent basis.” So how are those stadium talks going? lol you suck. Looks like you are an uninformed retarded inbred, and I fear for any children in a school that you call to session.

    There is no argument that Goodell wants the Bills in Buffalo, and Toronto doesn’t want the Bills. You continually fail to speak to this. Probably because you get too excited and your caregiver has to strap you back in your chair so you stop bashing your head into things. Guess you’ll have to argue with Roger Goodell, Doug Ford, and Paul Godfrey. Time to re-think why you “know” the Bills are leaving town.

  182. tedmurph says: Oct 9, 2011 1:45 PM

    “This pool is also expected to decrease over the course or the deal to almost nothing after 10 yrs. ”

    Supplemental revenue sharing payments to low revenue teams under the old CBA were expected to rise to $220 million with high rolling teams like the Cowboys, Washington Redskins (No. 2, worth $1.55 billion) and New England Patriots (No. 3, worth $1.4 billion) supplying much of the welfare and on the hook for more than $10 million apiece. Under the new CBA, the amount any big-market teams will have to kick into the system is capped at $3.5 million. Low-revenue teams will receive only $50 million to $100 million collectively in the early years of the deal according to NFL estimates. League-wide revenues are expected to increase to the point where supplemental revenue sharing almost disappears by the end of the new 10-year CBA.
    By Kurt Badenhausen,
    Forbes. com
    But if another team comes in the Bills are dead anyway. ”

    Canada’s largest metropolitan center is a 90-mile drive from Buffalo, boasts a large corporate base that can translate into additional marketing revenue, and the team also draws an average of 15,000 Canadian fans to its home games.
    By JOHN WAWROW
    The Associated Press.

    Who is Miss Chloe and what does she have to do with anything?

    ‘There is no argument that Goodell wants the Bills in Buffalo, and Toronto doesn’t want the Bills’.

    Who’s makink things up? You’re a mind reader now? I get it, you’re Miss Chloe. Goodell wants the team where it makes the most $. Business isn’t about sentimentality. New ownership would have to build a new stadium? Happens all the time. Lurie, Kraft,Richardson etc. It’s not about Toronto, any NFL team would generate $ for the city. It’s about a new owner that sees a business opportunity.

    Yet another know-nothing jackass (that can’t spell) chimes in. It’s not about attendence, what else is there to do in Buff anyway. It’s about being the #46 market with a crappy stadium. It’s about the NFL wanting to expand internationally.
    It’s about Toronto being able to put up huge $ and offer a better venue. Enjoy it while it lasts. As they say, NFL means not for long. Tool.

    Original post. Seems pretty consistant to me.

    I’m embarrassed for you.

  183. stanmackley says: Oct 9, 2011 2:57 PM

    Consistent?
    Nobody in Toronto is ready to deal, so you are an idiot there. I provided links.
    Goodell is on the record wanting to keep the Bills in Buffalo. You are an idiot there too. I provided links.
    Goodell clearly states that an NFL team will not call the Rogers Center home. And he isn’t sure the Toronto market is ready. You are an idiot there. I provided links.
    Toronto business players are not interested in purchasing the Bills. Links provided, you are an idiot.
    Then you come in and pretend that I’m making this up??? http://bit.ly/d500A3 http://bit.ly/kyU1EBProof that you can’t read because of your palsy. I give links with expert opinions and you rebut with some dumba$$ palsy bullsh1t that makes you out to be a know nothing d1ckhead.

    Again, you STOLE from a wikipedia article, I called your dumba$$ out on it- used the same article against you, then you claim wikipedia is not a good source. HAHA YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

    You are so blind to the idiotic trash in your mind that you can’t even read your attempt at a “point”. lol bless your heart you cant help it. You dumb bullsh1t babbling has been completely destroyed by factual arguments backed up by experts.

    I’m embarrassed my tax money subsidizes a piece of $hit like you.

  184. tedmurph says: Oct 9, 2011 4:02 PM

    Never said anyone in Toronto was ready to deal AT THIS TIME, but they’re going, sooner or later. As I said before, what do you expect Godell to say, he’d rather have a healthy franchise in a big market. I cited my sources in the previous post, never looked @Wiki until you pointed it out. You were abused by logic and info every step of the way. You were wrong about minumum stadium capacity and YOU quoted Wiki to do it. You didn’t know the difference between Hoosier/RCA Dome and Lucas Oil Stadium. You didn’t understand the difference between revenue streams ,profitability and cap spending. You had no knowledge of the CBA, old or new, and supplemental revenue sharing . Game, set, match. I’m done with this thread, you’re just boring me at this point. Hope you learned something. I’m going to go talk to the adults now. You know, the ones that don’t give themselves ‘thumbs up’ or type HAHAHAHAHA.

  185. stanmackley says: Oct 9, 2011 5:34 PM

    Your WHOLE original argument is ripped from THIS WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE, nearly word for word… Remember you said: “3 out of 7 games were blacked out last yr. There is no season ticket waiting list. Why do you think they’ve already played preseason and regular season games in Toronto. NFL minimum for seating is 50K, which qualifies Toronto, especially with the number of luxury boxes. ”
    This is nearly A WORD FOR WORD COPY AND PASTE FROM THIS WIKI ARTICLE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_in_Toronto#Relocation_scenarios

    You banked your argument for the Bills moving to the Rogers Center on a stadium that no longer exists lol. What a joke, this still makes me laugh! You stick to this argument with no citation or reasoning and refuse to acknowledge multiple NFL and professional sources confirming that the Bills will not go to Toronto.
    You still can’t source your NFL seating requirements at 50k- only from the wiki article that you discredit. lol you idiot.

    I dont blame you for running away with your tail between your legs. You got your a$$ handed to you here. And I guarantee your tiny palsy brain will think twice before barfing out some more made up dumba$$ BS because I’ll call you out everytime. Go talk to the “adults” plenty of them in your “home!” Time for fingerpaints Tedmurph!

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