Tom Brady putting up unprecedented passing numbers

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Patriots quarterback Tom Brady threw four interceptions in a loss to the Bills on Sunday, but he’s also continuing an incredible assault on the NFL’s passing records.

With 387 yards on Sunday, Brady now has 1,327 yards for the season. That’s not just the best yardage total in the league this year by a wide margin, it’s the best that any player has ever had over any three weeks in NFL history. The previous record for most yards over a three-week stretch was 1,257, set by Drew Brees in 2006.

If Brady stays healthy, he has an excellent chance of breaking Dan Marino’s NFL record of 5,084 passing yards, set in 1984. Brady is on pace for an incredible 7,077 yards this season, and although it’s not realistic to think he’s going to keep this pace up, it’s absolutely realistic to think he could average 290 yards a game the rest of the way, which would be enough to break Marino’s record.

Brady is also on pace to throw 59 touchdown passes, which would blow away Brady’s own NFL record of 50.

Of course, Brady is also on pace for 27 interceptions this season, which would be by far the most in his career — he’s never had more than 14 picks in a season. So Brady hasn’t been perfect, and neither have the Patriots. But that might only improve Brady’s chances of breaking the yardage and touchdown records. Brady is averaging about 45 passes a game, and the Patriots look like they’re going to be in a lot of games where they need Brady to throw 45 times.

124 responses to “Tom Brady putting up unprecedented passing numbers

  1. All about Raider football, baby. Football played the way it’s supposed to be played….with bad intentions.

    Raiders Vs the New York Paper Planes was real football yesterday. Forget throwing the ball 50 times.

  2. Brady know that unless he can give his D-IIIII a 30 point lead, the Pats will not be safe. I fully Expect Brady to break Marino’s record.

    His 50 TDs might be in jeopardy as well although that seems less likely. If the Pats D doesn’t improve. He might reach the 50 mark again.

  3. Okay, nobody questions Brady’s passing ability. But this has to be due partially to the lockout and lack or D prep time. Defenses all over the league are lagging offenses.

  4. His passing yardage is ridiculous, and yea he’s set to throw a lot of touchdowns as usual, but you’re crazy if you think he’s gonna keep throwing int’s like that. i can’t stand the guy but lets be realistic here lol

  5. I find these numbers by Aaron Rodgers much more impressive:

    He leads the league in completion pct with 71.8% and in QB rating with 120.9

  6. This is kind of sad. The league has become such a pass happy league, that if your QB is not getting 350-400 yards a game you won’t win a lot of games.

  7. Who cares? He threw two passes that he tried to force into double coverage to get a seam route. If he doesn’t make those two mistakes, we’re not talking about the Bills at 3-0, we’re not bemoaning the Pats D (as much).

    As for “the Patriots look like they’re going to be in a lot of games where they need Brady to throw 45 times…” Last I looked, a lot of his throws are coming when the Pats are winning and should be grinding it on the ground, not going shotgun and 4 wide. But hey…you guys are the “experts,” after all.

  8. This right here is the Patriots problem. Belichick putting everything on Brady and running the team like it is a fantasy team to put up big numbers.

    The 2011 Patriots have possibly the worst defense of any in the Belichick era. They have decent running backs in BJGE and Danny Woodhead. So with a 21-0 lead and a suspect defense, the Pats keep on airing it out and refuse to establish any sort of a ground game and when they do run it is utterly predictable.

    Why not work the clock so that the porous defense is on the field as little as possible? Just goes to show for all his genious Belichick has apparently learned nothing from the 2009 season. Frustrating as all hell.

  9. These games may not have weather well suited for passing. We’ll see

    Sunday, Nov. 27 at Philadelphia Eagles
    Sunday, Dec. 4 Indianapolis Colts
    Sunday, Dec. 11 at Washington Redskins
    Sunday, Dec. 18 at Denver Broncos
    Saturday, Dec, 24 Miami Dolphins
    Sunday, Jan. 1 Buffalo Bills

  10. He will have to average 500 yards passing and 5 TD’s a game to have a shot at winning those games with such a pathetic defense .

    No better than 10-6 for this overrated team that just got schooled by Chan Gaily and a superior Bills team.

    Can someone please remind me of what the Patriots have accomplished since they were busted for cheating?

  11. It won’t be sunny and 74 degrees for much longer though, something else to consider.

    We’ve heard this talk before, many times, but then the weather changes and passing attacks aren’t all that.

  12. Raiders may be 2-1, but QBs are putting up 300+ against them each game. Brady will be airing it out against a secondary that could possibly (if the injuries are bad) be Stanford Routt, Chimdi Chekwa, Tyvon Branch, and Matt Giordano….

    Chimdi held his own against Sanchez, but Sanchez is a schmuck compared to Brady.

    The man with the longest name in football that I won’t even type out, BJGE, will be contained. But Brady will make us Raiders fans sweat all day.

    Two high-powered offenses; Pats in the air, Raiders on the ground. Should actually be a great game.

  13. He gets to play the Dolphins again, so we might as well add another 500 yards and a couple of TD’s to his total now.

  14. What a great natural experiment to put all the emotional arguments to rest and determine the better quarterback: Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

    In 2008 Tom Brady suffered a torn ACL, was out the rest of the season, and the New England Patriots went 11 – 5 in the regular season. The next year with Tom Brady back the Patriots went 10-6 and won a division title.

    In 2011 Peyton Manning is out for the season, so we can just look at the Colts records this year and next to have some facts when discussing who is better quarterback.

  15. I’m a Pats fan and our defense is suspect! Its not everyday Brady those 4 ints and he will surely rebound. On the bright side, Brady those 4 ints and we lost by 3 points on a last second field goal. Having said that, Pats were up 21-0 and blew it. Defense needs to get stronger or we’ll never have a shot in the playoffs. Bills will make the leap this year and come in 2nd in the AFC East. Jets will drop it like its hot after they lose the next 2 weeks to go to 2-3.

  16. That’s what a 99 yard pass will do for your stats.

    As good as Brady has been so far this year, it has still be more than six years since the Patriots last won the Super Bowl. At the end of the season, that’s the only stat that matters.

  17. Of course Brady will break records when he’s still throwing the deep ball 30 points ahead with 2 minutes left in the game.

    Brady= average QB.

  18. “Unprecedented”, “Phenomenal”,

    A 3 game sample size is not worthy of these terms.

    Let’s see how Tommy Boy likes looking up at the Oakland sky from the infield dirt next Sunday.

  19. This is what happens when QBs aren’t allowed to get touched-they stand back there and play pitch and catch… and @kmdp4-the NFL NEVER went out of its way to baby Montana-and Joe NEVER cheated!

  20. and to defend Brady, you guys and your super bowl counts—it is not 1 on 1 Football.

    Brady is worthy of praise, just not based on this 3 game spurt.

  21. turtlehut says: Sep 26, 2011 12:48 PM

    What a great natural experiment to put all the emotional arguments to rest and determine the better quarterback: Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

    In 2008 Tom Brady suffered a torn ACL, was out the rest of the season, and the New England Patriots went 11 – 5 in the regular season. The next year with Tom Brady back the Patriots went 10-6 and won a division title.

    In 2011 Peyton Manning is out for the season, so we can just look at the Colts records this year and next to have some facts when discussing who is better quarterback.

    ————————————————–

    How does that determine who the better quarterback is? It would probably tell a lot about how the team is run, how the organization is run, how good the backup qb is but you’re saying that we can judge who is the better qb when they’re not even playing? That makes zero sense!

  22. What’s more likely to happen next week:

    Brady throws for 500
    McFadden runs for 250

    thumbs up for Brady, thumbs down for McFadden.

  23. The post isn’t about winning the SB, numbskulls. It’s about the passing yardage and touchdowns. Neither WINS superbowls (though they help you get there). But neither does Vick’s hand being broken or not. It’s just a piece of interest. Sheesh you guys are so literal.

    And yes, if the Pats D continues it’s march to equally historic suckage, Brady will need to blow those old marks away.

  24. cakemixa says:
    Sep 26, 2011 12:23 PM

    Whens the last time he won a playoff game, though?

    It’s all this clown’s got….time after time after time.
    It’s all he’s got.
    By all indications, nothing prior to Feb. of 2008 counts….though depending on his argument, that date can and will be adjusted accordingly.

    14-5 post season record and 3 rings be damned.
    That’s his “go to” and all he’s got.

  25. These games may not have weather well suited for passing. We’ll see

    Sunday, Nov. 27 at Philadelphia Eagles
    Sunday, Dec. 4 Indianapolis Colts
    Sunday, Dec. 11 at Washington Redskins
    Sunday, Dec. 18 at Denver Broncos
    Saturday, Dec, 24 Miami Dolphins
    Sunday, Jan. 1 Buffalo Bills
    ^^^^^^
    Consider these stats:

    Last year at Chicago in a near blizzard conditions: 27/40 – 369 yards – 2 TD’s – 0 Int in a 36-7 win

    2009 vs. Tennessee in a snowstorm: 29/34 – 380 yards – 6 TD’s – 0 Ints in a 59-0 bloodbath

    Say what you want but weather is one thing that does not slow the Pats offense down, ever. Bad weather favors the Patriots against probably ever other team in the league.

  26. All this talk about Brady. The worst sport for hype is Football. The media is too unafraid to grab the groin of what they perceive to be the stars and then hype them up like they are heroes. Remember the year after the Colts won the superbowl? The media was about to blow up the Pats. And then the Pats go 16-0 and the media starts rubbing the groins of Brady, and Belichik again, and haven’t stopped.

    My question is this. Is this team really committed to winning? I don’t think they are because they sure can’t stop the pass or run.
    Is Tom Brady concerned about winning? For all his gaudy numbers I think he has forgotten how to manage a football game.
    Kudos to Wes Welker the real MVP and heart of the Pats.

  27. “No better than 10-6 for this overrated team that just got schooled by Chan Gaily and a superior Bills team.

    Can someone please remind me of what the Patriots have accomplished since they were busted for cheating?”

    First of all, they did not get “Schooled” by Chan Gaily. The Pats had 4 bad turnovers that were just great plays by the Bills. And still only lost by 3. I wonder how many Bills fans were praying that Jackson went down at the 1.

    Secondly, what the Patriots have done since 2007 is have an undefeated regular season, went 11-5 without Brady, then put up a 14-2 season. Yeah we have been one and done in the playoffs recently, but there is no other team that has had the more consistent success that the Pats.

    Pats, Colts and Steelers are the only teams that have been relevent EVERY SINGLE YEAR sine 2000.

    Gotta give credit to the Tatanka though… they made the most of of their opportunities and beat my beloved Pats.

    Long season folks….

  28. iknowitallandmore,

    I’m interested in what your definition of “schooled” is…

    The Pats:

    – Had three SIGNIFICANT injuries that altered both their offensive and defensive schemes
    – Were playing on the road surrounded by drunk, shirtless (seriously, most fans I’ve seen without shirts at one game), loud, oblivious fans
    – Lost the turnover battle
    – Gave up a pick-six

    and yet managed to lose by a field goal.

    I know its a loss, but if you think the Bills are for real, you’re high.

    01/01/2012 50-3 PATS > BUFFALO

  29. turtlehut says:Sep 26, 2011 12:48 PM

    What a great natural experiment to put all the emotional arguments to rest and determine the better quarterback: Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

    In 2008 Tom Brady suffered a torn ACL, was out the rest of the season, and the New England Patriots went 11 – 5 in the regular season. The next year with Tom Brady back the Patriots went 10-6 and won a division title.

    In 2011 Peyton Manning is out for the season, so we can just look at the Colts records this year and next to have some facts when discussing who is better quarterback.

    ————

    That argument is so dumb it boggles the mind.

    The Patriots went 16-0 on 2007 and the whole team was back in 2008. Matt Cassel was the back up, who is now a starter in the league and brought KC to the playoffs last year. Cassel lost 5 more games than Brady did with the same team behind him. Since Indy went 10-6 last year with Manning if they went 4-12 this year it would be comparible. Indy doesn’t have a comparible back up QB to the 2008 Patriots and had to go out and get a veteran who didn’t know the system. So if thy go 2-14 it might be comparible. The 2008 Patriots went from being the greatest offensive team ever to missing the playoffs. That’s a huge drop off and nearly as big as what is happening to Indy.

  30. “How does that determine who the better quarterback is? It would probably tell a lot about how the team is run, how the organization is run, how good the backup qb is but you’re saying that we can judge who is the better qb when they’re not even playing? That makes zero sense”

    It makes sense because we can determine how good each team is without their star QB, which then tells us how much of their sucess due to the coaches and rest of the team.

    As much as I hate to say it, maybe Rex Ryan was right last January when he said when discussing Peyton Manning: “There’s nobody like this guy in the league. Nobody studies like him. I know Brady thinks he does. I think there’s probably a little more help with Belichick with Brady than there is with Peyton Manning.”

  31. kmdp4 says: Sep 26, 2011 12:45 PM

    joetoronto says:Sep 26, 2011 12:22 PM

    He’s awesome but he’s no Joe Montana, that’s for sure.
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    Your right idiot he is better!!!
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    So, in your little mind, I’m an idiot because my opinion is different from yours?

    How old are you, 12?

    Talk about overprotective, I said Brady is awesome, I can only imagine if I said he sucked, lol.

  32. You can say anything you want about Brady’s hair, magazine covers, dancing ability at Brazilian Carnival, but no one can question how clutch the guy is as a QB. He is better than Joe Montana because he has never had the weapons Joe Montana had. Aside from the 1 year with Randy Moss, Brady has worked with below average to average WR’s his entire career and had amazing numbers. Welker wouldn’t be half the player he is for New England on any other team.

    Brady didn’t lose in the playoffs the first 3 times he went, has 3 rings, and is QB for the only team that wins as much as the Colts have in the regular season the last 10 years.

  33. @jjarvis-So, Passing yardage and touchdowns-Dan Marino! Don’t remember the league going out of its way to baby him either-Brady almost single handedly created this no touching the QB/Madden video game stats crap and yet we all still marvel at it..why?! It’s today’s NFL-this stuff is now the norm!

  34. Note to PFT,

    If you made people not only come up with a screen name and a password, but also take some type of 5 question wonderlic type test you would eliminate a lot of the STUPID comments
    Like these.

    ———-
    marinephinfan says:
    Sep 26, 2011 12:54 PM
    Of course Brady will break records when he’s still throwing the deep ball 30 points ahead with 2 minutes left in the game.

    Brady= average QB.

    iknowitallandmore says:
    Sep 26, 2011 12:35 PM
    He will have to average 500 yards passing and 5 TD’s a game to have a shot at winning those games with such a pathetic defense .

    No better than 10-6 for this overrated team that just got schooled by Chan Gaily and a superior Bills team.

    Can someone please remind me of what the Patriots have accomplished since they were busted for cheating?

  35. To all those who comment that is has been six years since Brady won a SB, he played in the Super Bowl in 2008 and the Patriots rebuilt their team/roster while continuing to win 11 or more games a season. How did your teams do?

    Yesterday is one game which TB has not thrown 4 picks since 2006. Once every five years is OK and they still had a chance to win despite Brady’s day. The D was Chungless, Sergio Brown had a welcome to the NFL game and hopefully he’ll improve.Its week#3, long season ahead.

  36. giablommi says:
    Sep 26, 2011 12:31 PM
    This right here is the Patriots problem. Belichick putting everything on Brady and running the team like it is a fantasy team to put up big numbers.

    The 2011 Patriots have possibly the worst defense of any in the Belichick era. They have decent running backs in BJGE and Danny Woodhead. So with a 21-0 lead and a suspect defense, the Pats keep on airing it out and refuse to establish any sort of a ground game and when they do run it is utterly predictable.

    Why not work the clock so that the porous defense is on the field as little as possible? Just goes to show for all his genious Belichick has apparently learned nothing from the 2009 season. Frustrating as all hell.

    ___________________________________

    I couldn’t agree more! I would even go a step further and say that the explosiveness of this offense has a lot to do with how this defense plays. Until this defense wins a game like yesterday when Brady was clearly having an off day, they will never be an elite defense. They need to be a more balanced team and quit letting the defense depend on the fact that the offense may put up 30+ pts per game.

  37. he’s also playing in an era of unprecedented rules designed for offensive success. not saying he isnt a downright beast back there. i’d put him in a dead heat with rodgers for most accurate IMO.

  38. sundog05 says:
    Sep 26, 2011 12:28 PM
    4 picks yesterday. I hope he averages 4 a game from here on out.
    ——————————————–

    Yeah, that’s wishful thinking….he probably won’t throw ten all season.

  39. It’s ironic to read the Pats fans having to defend Brady, who needs no defense, and using the same argument they slammed Manning for years.

    How often did we hear them criticize Manning as a great regular season QB who choked in the postseason? I wonder if they’re even aware they’re doing it

  40. Pats fan here and yes the defense SUCKS no doubt but with chung and that project called hansworth were not out there. Last time the bills beat the pats i recall them kicking there a** the last game of the season on there way to another superbowl win!!!!!!!!!!! Brady is the best Qb in the nfl and will be the greatest when he decides to take it easy and hang out with his super model wife. Any of you brady haters would LOVE him to be starting for your team. Patriots vs. packers with the great brady getting his fourth ring!!!!!!!!!!! GO PATRIOTS!!!!!!!

  41. To all those who comment that is has been six years since Brady won a SB, he played in the Super Bowl in 2008 and the Patriots rebuilt their team/roster while continuing to win 11 or more games a season. How did your teams do?

    Yesterday is one game which TB has not thrown 4 picks since 2006. Once every five years is OK and they still had a chance to win despite Brady’s day. The D was Chungless, Sergio Brown had a welcome to the NFL game and hopefully he’ll improve.Its week#3, long season ahead.

    ***************************************

    I think you’re missing my point. I’m not blaming Tom Brady for the Patriots failure to win a Super Bowl. However, the goal is to win the Super Bowl, and as good as Brady and Belichick have been over the past several years, they have fallen short.

    In one sense, it’s staggering to consider because they are the best organization in the league. I’m wondering aloud why it is that the Pats keep falling short, that’s all.

  42. Nobody HATES the Patriots-it’s just that, the world is a better place when NE loses. It’s like, there’s still good in the world or something.

  43. @bullcharger

    How is his argument dumb? The pats without brady are still a playoff caliber team (11-5 makes playoss almost anseason with the 08 exception) and thus far the Colts without manning are obviously no where near playoff caliber as they are 0-3. That shows which qb works with the worse team an lifts his team to a higher level, manning.

    Pats have always been a better team which has always helped brady perform on such a high level. His oline is solid and early on he had 3 great defenses that helped him win 3 titles. People forget to compare the hand that each player was dealt when comparing how the two players perform.

  44. If Chung played, there would have been a lot more stops on Jackson and Nelson, and most importantly, Jackson’s bust-out run at the end. Call it an excuse, but Chung is emerging as the predominant leader on the D.

    Regardless, the Pats have basically converted to an all 4-3 defense this year, which is a huge change for a defense. Furthermore, Haynesworth AND Shaun Ellis were out yesterday which puts a lot of pressure in the middle on Wilfork.

  45. Take all of the emotion out of it (love him, hate him, love the pats, hate the pats, love BB, hate BB) and anyone would realize WE ARE WATCHING BABE RUTH. Pains me to say it, but its true. He will be “in the discussion” for the best QB ever to live.

  46. @flash1283:

    Boo-Hoo! lol

    Brady is smart. However, he’s average athletically. And Qb can win on that team in that system. See Cassel.

    Put Brady on the Colts or Chargers or Steelers and he may be a .500 QB. MAYBE.

    Put him on the Dolphins and he’d be…Henne. lol

  47. @rodgersrules:

    Manning has better post season numbers than Brady.

    Post season:

    Manning= 89 QBR

    Brady= 85 QBR

    (And don’t use wins/losses. Those are TEAM accomplishments)

  48. “henrykissingerisgod says:
    Sep 26, 2011 1:43 PM
    numbers do not matter, brady cant win a superbowl without a top ten defense…his D is the main reason he was in position to win those bowls”

    Don’t forget about Vinatieri bailing him out in those SB’s. Something he didn’t have against the Giants.

  49. @cantarguefacts

    I don’t like the argument because it discounts that the Patriots lost 5 more games will Cassel than the year before with Brady. They might have almost made the playoffs but they were nearly unbeatable with Brady there. I like Manning and think he’s one of the greatest ever, but I don’t think the Cassel argument makes sense as a comparison point between Brady and Manning.

  50. As a Pats fan, I would certainly like to see him not break any record like this and for the offense to at least resemble something that is semi-balanced, but I believe he will set some records this year. Brady is certainly the best player that the Pats have and good coaching is figuring out ways to let your best players win games for you, thus the Pats are a predominant passing team, sometimes way too pass happy.

    However, the argument the weather will play a factor in this is ridiculous. Look at the game against the Titans in ’09 that someone mentioned earlier where he head 5 TD passes in one quarter in three inches of snow, or against the Bears last year where he staked them to a 33-0 halftime lead. The snow they may encounter in December will actually only benefit them more, it gives the receivers a much better advantage. The Pats will live or die with Brady throwing the ball, certainly the defense isn’t going to be bailing them out.

  51. chrisnbeckett says:
    Sep 26, 2011 1:28 PM
    Pats fan here and yes the defense SUCKS no doubt but with chung and that project called hansworth were not out there. Last time the bills beat the pats i recall them kicking there a** the last game of the season on there way to another superbowl win!!!!!!!!!!! Brady is the best Qb in the nfl and will be the greatest when he decides to take it easy and hang out with his super model wife. Any of you brady haters would LOVE him to be starting for your team. Patriots vs. packers with the great brady getting his fourth ring!!!!!!!!!!! GO PATRIOTS!!!!!!!

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    Hanging out with his “super model wife”? How would he be able to find the time, what with all of the male New England fans lining up to suck him off every day of the year.

  52. The 4 “Brady” INTs against the Bills:

    1. An unlucky tip by a receiver that lead to a stellar catch by a linebacker. Bad throw by Brady because it was out of the reach of his receivers hands.

    2. Chad running a poor route leaving his underside to be undercut on an in route. (a benchable offense usually) Good read and throw by Brady.

    3. Tom forcing it to the seem. Dumb throw.

    4. Tom forcing it to a 6’6″ TE being double covered and under throwing it just a bit (still risky, but a lot easier for a 6’6″ guy to catch it when it’s high then when it’s right to a 5’9″ DB).

    Int 1 and Int 2 were back to back throws and basically lead to two buffalo scores, at least one of which would not have happened (because it was almost half time). Int 4 cost them a TD because it was in the redzone. Football is about mistakes and the Patriots made their share that cost them the game.

    I’m glad to see the Bills get some respect. They’ve been mediocre for a while and people pretend they are somehow horrible.

  53. ampats says:
    Sep 26, 2011 1:15 PM
    To all those who comment that is has been six years since Brady won a SB, he played in the Super Bowl in 2008 and the Patriots rebuilt their team/roster while continuing to win 11 or more games a season. How did your teams do?

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    The Steelers have won TWO SBs in that time as well as been to a third. So much for your stupid comment.

  54. Chairman Al says:
    Sep 26, 2011 12:40 PM
    Raiders may be 2-1, but QBs are putting up 300+ against them each game.
    ……………………………………………………………………….

    Duh, and how many yards did the Fish and the Bills put on the Pats?

    The Pat’s are one dimensional. How long will it take for teams to shut them down? The Bills figured it out……………No SB for NE!!

  55. rc33 says:
    Sep 26, 2011 1:00 PM
    cakemixa says:
    Sep 26, 2011 12:23 PM

    Whens the last time he won a playoff game, though?

    It’s all this clown’s got….time after time after time.
    It’s all he’s got.
    By all indications, nothing prior to Feb. of 2008 counts….though depending on his argument, that date can and will be adjusted accordingly.

    14-5 post season record and 3 rings be damned.
    That’s his “go to” and all he’s got.

    __
    Kinda sounds like Red Sox fans and “2004”, cuz that’s ALL THEY’VE GOT.

  56. @bullcharger

    Matt Cassell took the Chiefs to the playoffs but look at this year.

    Kerry Collins took the Panthers to the NFC Championship in 1997, the Giants to the Superbowl in 2000 season, the Titans to the playoffs in the 2008 season.

    You say my argument is “dumb” but then give examples where it is comparable.

    By definition a natural experiment is not a controlled experiment but this one will give us better information than Chowderheads and Hoosiers yelling at each other that my guy is better just because he plays in my town.

  57. As great as Brady has been, a lot of it has to do with the NFL’s efforts to water down the accomplishments by making it a passing league by making it difficult for the secondary to actually defend the pass game. Hence why Cam Newton had the games he did in week 1 and 2. It’s going to get to the point where these accomplishments won’t mean anything anymore.

  58. marinephinfan says:
    Sep 26, 2011 2:00 PM
    @rodgersrules:

    Manning has better post season numbers than Brady.

    Post season:

    Manning= 89 QBR

    Brady= 85 QBR

    (And don’t use wins/losses. Those are TEAM accomplishments)
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    Manning= 19 games 63.1 Pct. 5389 yrds 29 td’s 19 ints qbr- 88.4

    Brady = 19 games 62.2 Pct. 4407 yrds 30 td’s 16 ints qbr 85.7

    Not that much of a difference.

  59. Even comparing Brady to Montana is laughable much less some kids on here saying he is better. Brady isn’t even the beginning of a pimple on the great Montana’s ass.

  60. sj39 says:
    Sep 26, 2011 2:36 PM
    Even comparing Brady to Montana is laughable much less some kids on here saying he is better. Brady isn’t even the beginning of a pimple on the great Montana’s ass.
    ——–

    So when Steve Young Compares Tom Brady to Joe Montana he doesn’t know what he is talking about?

    He only played (key word “played”) behind Montana.

  61. bozosforall says:
    Sep 26, 2011 2:21 PM
    rc33 says:
    Sep 26, 2011 1:00 PM
    cakemixa says:
    Sep 26, 2011 12:23 PM

    Whens the last time he won a playoff game, though?

    It’s all this clown’s got….time after time after time.
    It’s all he’s got.
    By all indications, nothing prior to Feb. of 2008 counts….though depending on his argument, that date can and will be adjusted accordingly.

    14-5 post season record and 3 rings be damned.
    That’s his “go to” and all he’s got.

    __
    Kinda sounds like Red Sox fans and “2004″, cuz that’s ALL THEY’VE GOT.
    —-

    So the one they won in 2007 doesn’t count?

    Keep coming with your lame comments, your envy is so obvious.

  62. marinephinfan says:
    Sep 26, 2011 12:54 PM
    Of course Brady will break records when he’s still throwing the deep ball 30 points ahead with 2 minutes left in the game.

    Brady= average QB.
    ———————————————–

    Yeah that’s average, as in Hall of Fame average.

  63. “Kinda sounds like Red Sox fans and “2004″, cuz that’s ALL THEY’VE GOT”

    How would he be able to find the time, what with all of the male New England fans lining up to suck him off every day of the year
    ^^^^^^
    @ bozosforall

    Nice to know that for Pittsburgh fans inevitably bringing up “6 rings” as their only fallback that you and your ilk still have such a raging inferiority complex when it comes to all things New England. Maybe something to do with Brady being 6-1 aqainst Pittsburgh all time I suppose.

    Just FYI Red Sox fans have a lot more to go on than “2004” considering they also took home another World Series in 2007 (not to mention the Celtics title in ’08 and the Bruins Stanley Cup title in ’11). Your hatred, anger and jealousy sustain us and give us cheer on an otherwise gloomy Monday. Thanks.

  64. I totally agree with you sj39. Montana is the epitome of what an NFL QB should be. Everything he did was geared to winning championships and numbers were secondary. He was a true leader on the field and there hasn’t been anyone in his class, since he retired.

    Although he doesn’t play defense Brady could inspire his defense to play better, but he doesn’t.
    Brady is on the field for Brady. He might put up big numbers, but he has never been, and will never be responsible for bringing Boston home a Superbowl. Let’s be honest here it was the defense.

    He’s a regular season phenomenon and that’s it.
    He is no leader.

  65. badtimeoutcaldwell says:

    If this were P. Manning, all the Brady supporters would be bashing him saying it doesnt matter bc its the regular season… But now that its Brady, im sure we’ll ignore that argument

    ==================================

    That’s because it IS the regular season. It’s also because Manning is under .500 in the playoffs.

    Brady has 2 one and dones recently but (sit down Joetoronto) even Joe Montana had four one and dones in the playoffs 1985, 1986, 1987, 1994.

  66. Brady is great but he’s not on the same level as Montana. One big difference between Montana and a lot of the other great ones is that Montana consistently came up bigger when it mattered (in playoffs).

    Montana actually had a higher passer rating in playoffs (~95) than in regular season (~92). Brady, on the other hand, was almost 10 points lower in playoffs (~94 vs ~84). Of course, Montana has been peerless in superbowls.

    This is not to say that Brady is not one of the great ones. But, on the same level he’s not. Doubt if anyone is (especially in the modern era).

  67. @turtlehut

    I didn’t say Collins was never good. He certainly isn’t anymore and isn’t perceived to be as good as Cassel or he would have been starting somwhere when the Colts came calling instead of being retired. Also Collins didn’t know the Colts system, so had a much smaller chance of success than Cassel did in 2008. A good comparison would have been if Painter was a legit starter waiting for his chance, but that’s not what happened. Therefore you can’t compare the two seasons at all.

    I’ll ask you this (unrealistic) question. If Brady had gone to the Colts instead of Collins, what would you predict their record to be? I think I would have said 10-6, same as the year before.

    What if Favre had gone there? I probably would have said 8-8. Two less than last year.

    It matters who the replacement is.

  68. I have a weird feeling the Texans are going to win the AFC South and then see the Patriots in the playoffs. I have an equally weird feeling that Tom Brady will throw for 800 yards.

  69. Too much reliance on the pass yesterday, and half of their runs were “trick” draws, off-tackle, Edelman runs, etc. Can we please let the Law Firm bust some power up the middle?

    Two of those passes were tipped, yeah, but the one to Woodhead was a bad throw (high and hard) the 1st down saving catch to Welker was also a bad through (and Welker went sky to pull it in) and the force to Gronk in the endzone was no good, a real killer.

    However, there were some AMAZING throws sprinkled in, throws only Brady makes. Live and learn, hopefully they won’t give up 200 yds on the ground to the Raiders.

  70. Brady doesn’t care about records – his legacy is secure. But, until that crappy defense gets better, they don’t win it all again. For all of Belichek’s great qualities, he has really missed it on the defensive side on draft day. They are giving up 500 yards per game…not good, not good at all.

  71. @giablommi

    ~ We boston sports fans have been blessed and i dont see that going away anytime soon. If i were a fan of any other team in any other sport i would most defenitly hate the greatest Qb to ever play this game especialy when he wins more than theirs. As for the red sox they have had a terrible september i agree dont forget though they were the best team in baseball for most of the season,also i think i remember them beig a wildcard and then went on to win the world series. Have fun boston haters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  72. marinephinfan says:
    Sep 26, 2011 2:00 PM
    @rodgersrules:

    Manning has better post season numbers than Brady.

    (And don’t use wins/losses. Those are TEAM accomplishments)
    —————–———————————-

    Numbers are like people….. if you torture them enough they’ll tell you anything.

    You can’t spend every season talking about how the great Peyton Manning makes the Colts unbeatable and then say it’s a team accomplishment when they lose.

    Use the eye test, three times in Super Bowls, Brady had a chance to put his team ahead from tied or behind in the last few minutes. They scored ALL THREE times. (The defense didn’t hold off the Giants in the third game). The one time Peyton Manning had a chance to put his team ahead from behind in a Super Bowl he threw a pick six. You can keep your completion percentage.

  73. Good news: Brady on pace to set the yardage record.

    Bad news: Pats defense on pace to set the passing yards allowed record.

  74. @radrntn

    2009. He lost to the Texans in week 17 and then lost to the Ravens in the post-season.

    Also that year he lost to @Saints and @Dolphins. (regular season)

  75. you pats fans don’t lose graciously… you lost to the Bills, period. yet you keep trying to come out on top saying “look what we did in the process”..the pats blew a 21 point lead.. great teams don’t blow leads like that regardless of how it happens. ask the vikes. quit talking about the injuries, the atmosphere, “luck”..etc… It’s football. You lost, and while your heads are still up in the clouds because of your narcisism, you’ll may lose another next week in Oakland.
    Go Bills

  76. Tom deserve all the credit, however the rules favor the receiver vs 1984, and Danny boy was in his first year as the starter, what year is this for Tom? Bill

  77. turtlehut says: Sep 26, 2011 12:48 PM

    What a great natural experiment to put all the emotional arguments to rest and determine the better quarterback: Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

    In 2008 Tom Brady suffered a torn ACL, was out the rest of the season, and the New England Patriots went 11 – 5 in the regular season. The next year with Tom Brady back the Patriots went 10-6 and won a division title.

    In 2011 Peyton Manning is out for the season, so we can just look at the Colts records this year and next to have some facts when discussing who is better quarterback.

    _______________________________

    Get back to me with a list of the teams that had a winning record those 11-5 Pats beat. You can count them on less than one hand. The Dolphins were 1-15 the previous year and went 11-5 against that schedule. Wake up, nap time is over.

  78. @marinephinfan, Brady is avg atheletically… so what? Is Payton above average? I will take a smart QB who is super accurate and has the untangleble like pocket awareness and good decision making. Wait, that’s Tom Brady!!

  79. flash1283 says:
    Sep 26, 2011 2:52 PM
    bozosforall says:
    Sep 26, 2011 2:21 PM
    rc33 says:
    Sep 26, 2011 1:00 PM
    cakemixa says:
    Sep 26, 2011 12:23 PM

    Whens the last time he won a playoff game, though?

    It’s all this clown’s got….time after time after time.
    It’s all he’s got.
    By all indications, nothing prior to Feb. of 2008 counts….though depending on his argument, that date can and will be adjusted accordingly.

    14-5 post season record and 3 rings be damned.
    That’s his “go to” and all he’s got.

    __
    Kinda sounds like Red Sox fans and “2004″, cuz that’s ALL THEY’VE GOT.
    —-

    So the one they won in 2007 doesn’t count?

    Keep coming with your lame comments, your envy is so obvious.

    __
    I was referring to the 2004 ALCS (not the World Series), so the 2007 title would not apply to the point that I was making. But don’t let your obvious mental handicap stop you from thinking that what you have to say is any better than what I have said.

    And as far as envy, try looking elsewhere…like in New England. The poster children for envious fan bases is right there in New England, in the form of jealous baseball fans. Any other fan base pales by comparison in terms of envy, in any other sport. Boston fans have sports envy patented. Which is why, no matter how many recent titles your teams have won, the fans still don’t know how to be gracious winners or gracious losers.

  80. giablommi says:
    Sep 26, 2011 2:56 PM
    “Kinda sounds like Red Sox fans and “2004″, cuz that’s ALL THEY’VE GOT”

    How would he be able to find the time, what with all of the male New England fans lining up to suck him off every day of the year
    ^^^^^^
    @ bozosforall

    Nice to know that for Pittsburgh fans inevitably bringing up “6 rings” as their only fallback that you and your ilk still have such a raging inferiority complex when it comes to all things New England. Maybe something to do with Brady being 6-1 aqainst Pittsburgh all time I suppose.

    Just FYI Red Sox fans have a lot more to go on than “2004″ considering they also took home another World Series in 2007 (not to mention the Celtics title in ’08 and the Bruins Stanley Cup title in ’11). Your hatred, anger and jealousy sustain us and give us cheer on an otherwise gloomy Monday. Thanks
    __
    If your life is so pathetic that you rely on someone’s supposed “hatred, anger and jealousy” to “sustain” you and “give you cheer” on any day, then I must say that the only real feeling that I have for you New Englanders is PITY. How sad that you feel the need to pretend that somehow your mercenary sports teams define your region, when in fact, all you really are is a bunch of whiny crybabies.

  81. Saw a few posts about how Brady won’t put up big numbers when the weather gets bad. Here’s his stats in his last 2 “snow games”.

    10/18/09 (yes, it was snowing on 10/18) vs Tenn: 29 for 34 380 yards 6TDs 0INTs (Pats win 59-0)–sets a record with 5TD passes in one quarter.

    12/12/10 at Chicago: 27 for 40 369 yards 2TDs 0INTs (Pats win 36-7)

  82. bcgreg says:
    Sep 27, 2011 6:12 PM
    @ bozosforall

    With free agency, EVERYONE’S sports teams are “mercenary”.

    Dunmb ass.

    _
    OF COURSE, dumbass.

    Again, you Pats idiots miss the point (hint: it’s on the top of your heads).

    The POINT is that no region feels the need to identify more with these mercenary teams than New England, the land with the smallest percentage of native professional-level athletes in the US. Basically, you guys are mostly a bunch of pencil-necked geeks whose only athletic accomplishments growing up were getting that participation ribbon on your local youth soccer teams.

  83. and BC greg, even your school’s alums that are in the NFL came from somewhere else.

    Matt Ryan – PA
    Constanzo – IL
    Hasselbeck – CO

    Face it, all you chumps have is imports when it comes to real sports talent.

  84. @ bozosforall

    For the record, what team do you root for? Now go see where all of the players are from (I’ll give you a few minutes)…

    You back? How many were from your team’s state?

    Your point is that you never have a point.

    Ever hear of a sport called hockey?

    Hasselbeck was born in MA, went to high school in MA and went to BC. Yeah, some import. You’re an idiot.

    Not many brilliant folks come out of clown school, eh bozo?

  85. @RC33

    You say that those 3 rings are all Brady ever falls back on and all he’s got with implications of cheating. Do you also find it funny that he has an 2 MVPs under his belt since they were caught “cheating”? Funny how you guys call their previous SBs into question when there was a league wide memo sent out asking coaches to stop the practice which BB continued that year.

    All you can ever call into question is the defense for the Pats because that is all that has faded since spygate. Brady has been better since all of that nonsense. Brady cannot win games by himself, so you can’t give him all the credit or blame when they win or lose. This guy is special and we don’t get to see many people throw the rock like he can. Defense is ugly and suspect, but Brady is a master— one of the best if not the best to ever play.

  86. @bozosforall

    Honestly you would just label all New England fans as ungracious winners. I will admit that in this era of bandwagon fans there are some lame loudmouths, but you seem to fit the bill. Very combative and trying to pretend that your opinion is logic.

    The biggest group of arrogant, ungracious winners come right outta NY and Pitt. I mean I moved to NY from Boston when I was young and was just ridiculed mercilessly for no reason whatsoever. Myself and all my friends were not outspoken jerk fans when we were young, but everyone in NY was.

    Things have changed now for sure and a lot of the new age NE fans are more like this, but the original breed came from NY. Look over your blogs and all over facebook and tell me if you find one gracious NY fan in the wake of Bostons demise tonight against Baltimore.

    Grow up and stop lumping a whole fan base together. Even after the post I just made I can still admit there are some respectable NY fans here.

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