Wes Welker’s numbers are blowing away the league

AP

With all the attention being paid to Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s assault on the NFL’s passing records, there hasn’t been quite as much attention on Patriots receiver Wes Welker, who’s likewise on a pace to blow away the league’s single-season receiving records.

Welker currently has a league-leading 31 catches for 458 yards, which would put him on a pace to catch an astonishing 165 passes for 2,443 yards this season. The NFL record for catches in a season is 143, by Marvin Harrison in 2002, and the record for receiving yards in a season is 1,848, by Jerry Rice in 1995. It’s not realistic to think Welker will keep up his current inflated pace, but it is realistic to think that the records — especially Harrison’s record — could be in jeopardy.

In December of 2009 I wrote in the Wall Street Journal that Welker was on his way to becoming the first player in history to average nine catches a game. Unfortunately, Welker tore his ACL on his first catch of the final game that season, lowering his average to “only” 8.79 catches a game that year — which is still the second-best average in NFL history, behind only Harrison’s record-shattering 2002 season.

Welker didn’t appear to be back at full speed when he returned to the field last year, and his production declined markedly. But this year he appears to be as fast as ever. In fact, Welker’s 14.8-yard average is his best since 2005, when he was a role player for the Dolphins who averaged 15.0 yards a catch in spot duty.

This year Welker is doing things we’ve never seen him do with the Patriots. Even if you take out his 99-yard catch in Week One against the Dolphins, Welker would be averaging 12.0 yards a catch, which is a full yard more than his highest average in his previous four seasons with the Patriots.

In talking to reporters today, Brady gushed about Welker.

He’s just a great player,” Brady said. “And he’s been that way since the day he got here. He had a great game last week, an individual effort that made some incredible plays. He always seems to do that. In Miami he did the same thing. He’s done that in practice every day. Every day in training camp he never misses a day. He’s just a tough, hard-nosed, football player. You can never underestimate someone that has had to work the way he’s had to work ’cause he hasn’t had all the opportunities that maybe a lot of other guys had early in his career. He still works as hard today as he’s ever worked. I love being out there with him. He’s a great teammate, and incredible player, receiver, leader on this team and teams are trying to find ways to try to take Wes away.”

It’s good to see that Brady knows how lucky he is to have Welker.

135 responses to “Wes Welker’s numbers are blowing away the league

  1. Amazing player …. but he will be locked down by Stanford Routt this week in OAK. Routt was a Nickle back, guarding the slot for years before becoming a starting corner, and now quickly one of the best in the league since Nnamdi left he showed he can handle it all. Crucial matchup this week. Tune-in. ***note to Brady, protect your nose***

  2. Some kinda baller.
    It definitely looks like he’s all the way back from that torn ACL.
    Unreal that he tore it Week 17 of 2009 yet never missed a game in 2010.

  3. Why don’t we breakdwon how the Bills have more points scored or lead in the NFL Standings (Via tie-breakers / conference record) ?

  4. There’s not a more overblown player in the league than Wee Wes Welker. He’s a moderately better version of any number of scrubs who could be plopped into that role on that team and give the bulk of the same production. He’s the very definition of a “system player,” and not in the individually good way.

  5. 7thlombardiontheway says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:17 PM

    No other receivers to throw to. How many rings does he have?

    Exactly.
    Gronkowski and Hernandez are terrible.

  6. I love seeing players come back from devastating injuries and tear it up. Imagine the disappointment and grueling rehabilitiation that he and Brady went through, and here they are performing at record-shattering levels. It’s inspiring.

  7. The only chance Oakland has to slow him down is if the D-Line get Brady on the ground, early and often. Seymour will be going all out against his old team – 2 sacks+

  8. I’m not a Pats hater or a Jets fan by any means; but there’s no denying that if this were the Jets talking up a guy on their team you’d be complaining how they are running up their own guy’s contract.

    Everyone knows both Brady and Welker are both very talented individuals. I think what makes them work so well together is that they are on the same line of the same page in the book.

    You can’t help but wonder if they off on proving their doubters wrong. One low round pick chucking it to an undrafted free agent lighting up the scoreboard and statbook has a little flare to it.

  9. I still remember everyone saying Wes Welker would be nothing without Randy Moss. Randy Moss opens up the field for him: without Moss, he would be a nobody.

    Sure looks like a nobody right now… 😛

  10. its sacreligious to talk too negative about NE. where are the reports of how awful the D is this year…..i hate Dallas but if this were Dallas you wouldnt hesitate to rip them…..or Oakland…

    BTW who did Miami draft with the pick they got for Welker… how is that working for them

  11. I wonder how much of Welker’s success is a product of the offensive system he plays within.

    By way of a comparative example, anyone with a pulse knows that when Mike Martz is the offensive coordinator, his offenses are going to throw the ball. In 2006, Mike Furrey, who had previously accomplished nothing as a WR, led the NFC in receptions catching 98 passes for 1,086 yards and 7 TDs. His 98 receptions for that season were the most for any player in the conference, and second best in the entire league. After Martz left, Furrey became mortal again.

    Undoubtedly, Welker is an excellent player and one of the best WRs in the league. However, I sincerely doubt that we’d be talking about his gaudy numbers if he didn’t play in a NE offensive system that is geared toward pass first, run occasionally.

  12. Both are unlikely, but McFadden has a better chance of breaking the rushing record than Welker or Brady have of breaking the passing/rec records.

    There is this thing called Winter coming.

    And you won’t hear a peep about it until it is too glaringly obvious to ignore. You just hate it, don’t you?

  13. The only reason I don’t see him or brady breaking records is bc belichick will rest them the last few games of the season. Especially after welker got hurt in 2009 and they got pooped on the next week

  14. Just think…the Dolphins could have had Drew Brees and Wes Welker for the last ~5 years…great front office decisions going on down there in Miami.

    Who’d they get for that second (and a 7th) round pick for Welker? Was that the Culpepper year? Probably some awful QB nonetheless.

  15. It’s not his size or his speed, the guy is a football player. I can’t stand the pats and always root against em but welker plays all out.

  16. Is there a statute of limitations for Dolphins fans to kick Cam Cameron’s ass for trading Welker to the Pats?

  17. Who cares

    How about establishing some semblance of a running game and giving up less than 400 yards a game passing.

    Fantasy numbers are nice but in the real world being this one dimensional amounts to another one and done and not much more.

  18. Sorry, but Megatron >>>>> Welker.

    Welker is a dink and dunk undersized slot receiver that happens to play on a pass-happy offense with a great QB. It’s a case where talent < situation.

  19. Hey, did you know that if the Buffalo Bills continue on their current pace for the rest of this season and the next two they will have won 48 consecutive regular season games? I know, incredible, right?

  20. I got him on my fantasy team… so keep em coming!! the best thing possible that could happen, happened last week, im a bills fan, so i was just wishing welker would have a good game but the bills would win lol. well thats what happened. just lucky i guess, but very happy to have him on my fantasy team!

  21. Wasn’t there a guy who was small
    And white that filled in for welker and had the same numbers eldeman or something where is he cause he was so great to. It’s all a product of the system the patriots didn’t miss abet without brady and wouldn’t miss a beat without welker they would
    Just plug in some average guy and give him 5 yard slant in te slot and say he was the greatest thing ever

  22. Welker’s numbers are more impressive than Brady’s. Welker gets open and YAC because he’s smart, athletic, quick, and tough.

    Brady has the numbers he does because his O-Line protects him better than the Pope-mobile protects the Pope and all he has to do is dump it off to Welker (or one of his TE’s) and let them take that 5 yard pass 15+ yards.

  23. Again, where are all the ‘cheater’ comments??

    Steeler fans??? Jets fans??? Come on, Welker is doing well….he must be cheating somehow. All his 100+ catch seasons need to have an asterisk, right?

  24. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:20 PM
    DINK AND DUNK.

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    He’s got a 14.8 yards per catch average, moron.

    Is that a dink, or a dunk?

    You think the Dolphins wouldn’t take a “do over” on this one?

  25. You gotta give Oakland fans credit for all their comments on this. Two wins and they think they’re good again. Never seem to realize that as long their wagon is hitched to Al Davis’ star they’ll be wandering in circles. You don’t want to be playing the Pats after they have an embarassing loss. Maybe they’ll come back to earth Sunday at 4:15.

  26. Why can’t anyone just admit that Welker is an explosive receiver that is almost impossible to cover?

    One of the best in the NFL!

  27. 7thlombardiontheway says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:17 PM

    No other receivers to throw to. How many rings does he have?

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    Brady has three rings, which is one more than your boy Ben. Any other questions?

  28. What is with the ridiculous numbers projections after 3 games?

    We aren’t even 20% of the way through the season yet.

    Besides, when you are the top receiver and your QB throws almost 50 times a game you’re going to pick up yards.

  29. I wonder why everyone is amazed with all these stats?! This is a product of what happens when you play goodells football where everybody is afraid to hit anybody

  30. All the haters saying that he only produces because he is Tom Brady’s favorite receiver will also be clamoring their team to sign him when he becomes a free agent next year.

    And hopefully he takes the hometown discount, because he SHOULD be paid like a top-8 guy, but I doubt BB will do that.

  31. rc33 says:
    Gronkowski and Hernandez are terrible.

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    You really should start actually following football, if you’re going to post here. You obviously haven’t got a clue who these two guys are.

    As for Welker, he was good enough with Miami that Belichick wanted to bring him here. This guy is the very definition of the word “scrapper”, and it’s HIM that helps make Brady who HE is. He gets open, he makes catches, and he busts his a$$ for every yard after the catch. Dude has a nose for the marker and then some.

    You haters would give your left nuts to have Welker on your teams, and you know it. He makes ANY quarterback look better.

  32. gimmeabruschi says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:22 PM
    And how lucky is Welker to have Brady throwing to him?

    ianwhetstone says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:24 PM
    There’s not a more overblown player in the league than Wee Wes Welker. He’s a moderately better version of any number of scrubs who could be plopped into that role on that team and give the bulk of the same production. He’s the very definition of a “system player,” and not in the individually good way.
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    Has there even been two more ignorant quotes than these? I’m guessing you believe then that Jerry Rice was only a HOF receiver only because he played in a pass first, west coast system, and only then because he had two HOF quarterbacks throwing to him. Or… or… or maybe it’s Jerry Rice who turned a couple of semi-talented quarterbacks into HOFers because of his incredible talent and because of the system they played within. I’m sure you’re positive it has nothing to do with the emmense talent of each player within their respective system and the coach who coaches them. Morons need to stop stinking this place up for the rest of us.

  33. Freebird, system does make some difference but Pats didn’t go to that pass heavy spread stuff most of the time until they GOT talents like Welker and Moss.

    One of the best things about BB is he fits the gameplan/scheme to what his players can do best. Now if only that was working for the defense right now…sigh.

    The thing I love best about WW is his competitiveness. The dude just REFUSES to lose, he’s fierce. Against Carolina in 09 the Pats, who were pretty horrible that year, would have flat out lost if it weren’t for Welker. He put the team on his back that day. I’m not big on saying one guy did that much for a team in a game, but he did. He was BY FAR their offensive MVP that year IMO.

  34. Mr. Wright 212 says: Sep 28, 2011 1:20 PM

    DINK AND DUNK.
    ————————

    Call it whatever you want. It’s pretty hard to take “dink and dunk” as an insult when they are dinking and dunking their way to the highest scoring offense in the league.

    Since the NFL is apparently incapable of stopping dink and dunk why would the Patriots ever run anything else?

  35. habsman says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:26 PM
    There sure are a lot of people who don’t like the Pats………..Oh well, it is what it is.

    BTW, why do they read Pat’s postings???

    @ habsman,
    It’s called ENVY!!

    Any post that has anything to do with TB or BB or something positive about a Patriots player (like this one) brings all the whiners out of the woodwork. Thats why almost all the post about them get about 50-100 comments.

  36. zomg brady and welker will shatter every major record this year, everyone get in a tizzy. can we please wait until they sustain this kind of production for at least half a season before we drool all over eachother? 3 weeks of outstanding production is completely meaningless.

  37. touchdownsyndrome says: Sep 28, 2011 1:21 PM

    Wes Welker – 54 points

    Rest of fantasy team – 56 points

    ’nuff said

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    Hahaha. Your fantasy team sounds really horrible. Who else is on there? Sounds like you need help. onthingz dot com. I am 3-0 with the most points scored against me after three weeks.

    ’nuff said

  38. What’s more amazing is the records he could set if he were playing against his own team’s pathetic defense.

  39. Yea… Brady’s go to guy all the way… Welker flat out is the best reciever on the Pats…

    When teams figure out all you have to do to beat the pats is shut down Welker… the numbers will fall… Check his stats in the last Jets game.

  40. marinephinfan says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:43 PM
    Welker’s numbers are more impressive than Brady’s. Welker gets open and YAC because he’s smart, athletic, quick, and tough.

    Brady has the numbers he does because his O-Line protects him better than the Pope-mobile protects the Pope and all he has to do is dump it off to Welker (or one of his TE’s) and let them take that 5 yard pass 15+ yards.
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    So I guess you (the phin fan) did not watch the 1st game this year. Over 500 yards passing and that was all on 5 yard passes?

    Stop making yourself look stupid!

  41. richm2256 says: Sep 28, 2011 1:47 PM

    Mr. Wright 212 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:20 PM
    DINK AND DUNK.

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    He’s got a 14.8 yards per catch average, moron.

    Is that a dink, or a dunk?

    You think the Dolphins wouldn’t take a “do over” on this one?
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    YARDS AFTER CATCH. No one bumps and runs with him, he’s got a 5-7 yard head start whenever he gets the ball.

    Keep the deflections coming, I stand by what I said.

  42. richm2256 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:47 PM
    Mr. Wright 212 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:20 PM
    DINK AND DUNK.

    ———————————————————
    He’s got a 14.8 yards per catch average, moron.

    Is that a dink, or a dunk?

    You think the Dolphins wouldn’t take a “do over” on this one?

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    @RICHM2256:

    Are you serious? Do you understand how the average yards per catch are computed? Do you watch football? And the “moron” word used by you is blowing up irony meters all across the country! LOL!

    Let me help you.

    DINK and DUNK = Brady passes the ball 5 yds and Welker runs it for 95 yds.

  43. I hate the Pats but love Welker. Tough as nails player, doesn’t showboat and is as constant as death and taxes.

    However, with Goodell’s touch football league, Welker’s stats are as bloated as MLB’s HR stats in 98′ when players were juicing in between at bats. If defenders were able to mug Welker like they used to be able to pre-Goodell, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

    At least the fantasy-tools who have him can rejoice.

  44. solidmarine says: Sep 28, 2011 1:55 PM

    Has there even been two more ignorant quotes than these?
    _____________________________________

    Well, there are all of those extolling Welker as a great player, for starters.

    “I’m guessing you believe then that Jerry Rice was only a HOF receiver only because he played in a pass first, west coast system, and only then because he had two HOF quarterbacks throwing to him.”

    Not remotely, no. Rice was an incredible player, whose ability and accomplishment should never be subject to comparison to a run-of-the-mill overachieving undersized white guy who dropped into the perfect situation at the perfect time in a town that clamors for overachieving undersized white guys.

  45. 7thlombardiontheway says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:17 PM

    No other receivers to throw to. How many rings does he have?

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    You? AGAIN?! Go that wayyy.

  46. I wonder what his stats would look like if the game was still played with the fear of going over the middle.

  47. You can’t say Brady’s the reason why Welker’s on pace for 165 catches.

    Sure, Reche Caldwell caught over 60 (and couldn’t make an NFL team the next year) – but Welker’s 10x better than Caldwell and the projected 165 passes proves it.

    The bottom line is that the Pats are seriously flawed and Brady and Welker help cover it up – but when a QB and WR are on pace to break receiving records its usually because the running game and defense are flawed and they NEED to throw for that many.

    That’s what we’re looking at with the Pats.

    Understandably, with a short pre-season and injuries, the playoff Defense and run game will hopefully be much better.

    There’s no reason to try to be peaking in September.

  48. richm2256 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:55 PM
    rc33 says:
    Gronkowski and Hernandez are terrible.

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    You really should start actually following football, if you’re going to post here. You obviously haven’t got a clue who these two guys are.
    ————————————————

    Sometimes sarcasm is lost in a post. richm2256’s wasnt one of them. Read the entire post before you crap all over someone.

  49. To every poster who mentions fantasy football in this thread, I hope you die in massive grease fire. Even those of us who play fantasy don’t care.

    To use a buddy’s quote, “fantasy football stories are the equivalent of poker bad beat story.” No one cares.

  50. gisellichek says:
    Sep 28, 2011 2:06 PM
    Yea… Brady’s go to guy all the way… Welker flat out is the best reciever on the Pats…

    When teams figure out all you have to do to beat the pats is shut down Welker… the numbers will fall… Check his stats in the last Jets game.
    ————-

    Figuring it out and actually being able to do it are two different things.
    Do you really think the Jets just came up with that idea in the playoffs last year “hey what if we try and stop Welker”.

  51. j0esixpack says: Sep 28, 2011 2:19 PM

    Sure, Reche Caldwell caught over 60 (and couldn’t make an NFL team the next year) – but Welker’s 10x better than Caldwell and the projected 165 passes proves it.
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    Yes, congratulations on establishing that he’s better than the great Reche Caldwell.

  52. I am surprised at the lack of football accumen on here from some posters, and no talking about your fantasy team does not make you “knowledgeable”.

    Have you ever seen Wes Welker totally shut down with the Patriots? we’ve seen Randy Moss shut down and taken out of games but Wes gets his regardless because he gets open and catches most everything he gets his hand on.

    Yes it helps that Brady is very accurate and has time to throw but to say one made the other is ridiculous, they both complement each other beautifully!

  53. Wes would have never achieved this with the Dolphins, he would probably be injured and out of the league. Great player to have on any team. Not a Pats fan, but any team would give a right nut to get him.

  54. Mr. Wright 212 says: Sep 28, 2011 1:20 PM

    Call it whatever you want. It’s pretty hard to take “dink and dunk” as an insult when they are dinking and dunking their way to the highest scoring offense in the league.

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    um… i believe Buffalo is the highest scoring team in the league.

  55. richm2256 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:55 PM

    rc33 says:
    Gronkowski and Hernandez are terrible.

    ———————————————————
    You really should start actually following football, if you’re going to post here. You obviously haven’t got a clue who these two guys are.

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    This statement was “obviously” dripping with sarcasm, rich. Some other clown stating Welker was the only worthwhile receiver Brady had to throw to.

  56. Team G Pts/G TDs Run Rec PR KR Int Fum BPnt BFG PAT FG SFTY 2-PT
    Buffalo 3 37.7 14 4 9 0 0 1 0 0 0 14 5 0 0
    New Orleans 3 34.7 12 2 9 1 0 0 0 0 0 10 6 0 2
    New England 3 34.7 13 2 11 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 4 0 1

  57. ianwhetstone says:
    Sep 28, 2011 2:12 PM

    solidmarine says: Sep 28, 2011 1:55 PM

    Has there even been two more ignorant quotes than these?
    _____________________________________

    Well, there are all of those extolling Welker as a great player, for starters.

    “I’m guessing you believe then that Jerry Rice was only a HOF receiver only because he played in a pass first, west coast system, and only then because he had two HOF quarterbacks throwing to him.”

    Not remotely, no. Rice was an incredible player, whose ability and accomplishment should never be subject to comparison to a run-of-the-mill overachieving undersized white guy who dropped into the perfect situation at the perfect time in a town that clamors for overachieving undersized white guys.

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    Another tiresome racist.

  58. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:20 PM
    DINK AND DUNK.

    @ marinephinfan , You’re WRONG
    ————–

    Welker has a total of 458 rec yrds, ONLY 144 of those yards are YAC.

    He has 31 catches he is avrg 4.6 YAC yards per catch, so you would be wrong.

  59. flash1283 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 2:08 PM
    marinephinfan says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:43 PM
    Welker’s numbers are more impressive than Brady’s. Welker gets open and YAC because he’s smart, athletic, quick, and tough.

    Brady has the numbers he does because his O-Line protects him better than the Pope-mobile protects the Pope and all he has to do is dump it off to Welker (or one of his TE’s) and let them take that 5 yard pass 15+ yards.
    ———

    So I guess you (the phin fan) did not watch the 1st game this year. Over 500 yards passing and that was all on 5 yard passes?

    Stop making yourself look stupid!

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    Actually, it was mostly 5-10yd passes you moron. 99 of those “passing yards” came from a short ~10yd sideline throw to an open Welker. Stupid. In the Dolphins game Brady’s average throw traveled 5.8 yds in the air, stupid. He threw the ball 48 times and completed 32. This means, moron, that he threw for 185yds and his WR’s/TE’s/RB’s had a YAC of 331 yds total, stupid.

    DINK and DUNK

  60. There is a lot of bias for boston on this site, hence my name. That said, Welker is a great player. He is actually underrated. Everyone keep saying how he was terrible, (cue Deon, Irvin, and Sapp basically any loud mouth idiot on NFL network) He was not a product of Moss. He makes all the tough plays. I wish he was on my team. He is a great player and has been underrated since he was on the Dolphins.

  61. Pats fan, so natually I read their posts. You start to notice the same people over and over again submitting negative comments on just about every single one. I’m looking at people like you, joetoronto.

    GET A LIFE. Seriously. It’s pretty pathetic when you’re always one of the first with a comment and need affirmation through a few thumbs-up to think you’re right. I don’t care if you hate the Pats, (I was born and live in Pittsburgh, I’m used to it), we get it. Stop acting like such a loser.

  62. slippyal2 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 2:18 PM
    I wonder what his stats would look like if the game was still played with the fear of going over the middle.

    ____________________________

    I do miss hearing that, Just a few years ago how WRs were defined where some would or would not go over the middle and thats what made you a truly elite WR…But not anymore more with Flag Footba….Err I mean NFL Football.

  63. jeff2380 says: Sep 28, 2011 1:43 PM

    Wasn’t there a guy who was small
    And white that filled in for welker and had the same numbers eldeman or something where is he cause he was so great to. It’s all a product of the system the patriots didn’t miss abet without brady and wouldn’t miss a beat without welker they would
    Just plug in some average guy and give him 5 yard slant in te slot and say he was the greatest thing ever

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    No, there wasn’t a guy who filled in for Welker and had the same numbers.

    Edelman has filled in for Welker on occasions and is his backup but he has never put up Welker numbers. I think two seasons ago he caught 8 or 9 passes in a single game and the analysts were raving about how he was Wes Welker Jr — but they never mentioned that in that same game he had 15 or 16 targets…..

    But why don’t you tell us about some more players that you don’t have any knowledge of and tell us how bad they are compared to other players you don’t have any knowledge of.

  64. skoobyfl says: Sep 28, 2011 1:23 PM
    Why don’t we breakdwon how the Bills have more points scored or lead in the NFL Standings (Via tie-breakers / conference record) ?
    ******************

    Was there ever a time the Bills started 4-0 and the missed the playoffs?

  65. youdownwithjpp says:
    Sep 28, 2011 2:16 PM
    7thlombardiontheway says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:17 PM

    No other receivers to throw to. How many rings does he have?

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    You? AGAIN?! Go that wayyy.

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    I second that comment to 7thpostaboutlombariscuzIhavenothingbettertosay

    you’re an idiot.

  66. Newsflash: It snows in New England. If they don’t start finding a running game, it’s going to be one and done.

    Can’t take anything away from Welker. Every team now wants one. Even Nate Burleson wants to be like Wes.

    Unfortunately Nate, the first ‘black Wes Welker’ was a fella named Troy Brown.

  67. Everyone saying that he’s a “system” player and that it’s all because of Brady don’t have any clue what you’re talking about. Welker was showing flashes of greatness in Miami – especially against the Pats. Belichick saw it and snatched him up. The guy is a machine so quit hating.

  68. minnesconsin says:
    zomg brady and welker will shatter every major record this year, everyone get in a tizzy. can we please wait until they sustain this kind of production for at least half a season before we drool all over eachother? 3 weeks of outstanding production is completely meaningless.
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    Yeah, except for the fact that we’re talking about Tom “Owns a slew of Records” Brady here …… you might want to go look up his 2007 and 2010 stats, and consider the fact that if anyone can keep up their pace, it’s THIS guy.

  69. I guess you guys forgot that Tom Brady looked freaking terrible without the uncoverable Wes Welker on the field in the 2009 playoffs.

    Brady gets the best protection in the league, he plays in a spread offense that is designed around high completion percentage passes, and he has the best separation receiver in the league. What do you expect?

    You take Wes out of that offense, and you have to change that offense – it’s designed around him. The Patriots are absolutely stacked; they can run when they want to, pass when they want to. Best line in football. BUT, what have the Patriots won since Tom Brady has been the focus of the team and not the defense?

    Defense focused: 3 SB wins
    Offense focused: 1 SB LOSS

    Easy to do that math.

  70. I love when someones says “He’s a system playah!!!” Please explain the system. I guess New England has a system and the rest of the teams draw up plays in the dirt. How about when Welker was with Miami and he was the only guy on that whole offense who was worth a rat’s ass. What kind of system was that? Why do people think you have to be a mad genius to coach or play this game. When the ball is snapped it’s about knocking the living hell out of someone and running, throwing and catching. Then again maybe Belichick is a genius to get a 14-2 record out of a team with the worst defensive team ever to get a number one seed.

    Let us know about that system thing. Thanks.

  71. alaricsrevenge says: Sep 28, 2011 3:01 PM

    youdownwithjpp says:
    Sep 28, 2011 2:16 PM
    7thlombardiontheway says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:17 PM

    No other receivers to throw to. How many rings does he have?

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    You? AGAIN?! Go that wayyy.

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    I second that comment to 7thpostaboutlombariscuzIhavenothingbettertosay

    you’re an idiot.

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    I have made 3 comments because he is annoying and if you read my other posts you would now I’m far from an idiot. I’m going to assume you haven’t because you lack the patience to read any posts over a paragraph.

    Plus, it seems ironic for you to point this out since you are now doing the same thing you’re criticizing me for…

  72. handsatlanta says: Sep 28, 2011 1:38 PM

    Is there a statute of limitations for Dolphins fans to kick Cam Cameron’s ass for trading Welker to the Pats?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Didn’t realize Cam was the GM that season

  73. Wait, so “Dink and Dunk” is a bad thing???

    I gave it a thumbs-up because I love that they can “dink and dunk” their way down the field. That is what they did for all of their Super Bowl years. I’d much rather be a fan of a team that plays the short, accurate passing game rather than hoping for the home runs.

    DINK AND DUNK EM ALL THE WAY TO INDY!

  74. Any negativity being directed at Wes is a direct result of people hating the Patriots.

    The guy is the epitome of a Football Player. He doesnt cry when he doesnt get thrown too, he goes in the middle of the field without any hesitation and wont drop the ball on purpose knowing he is about to get popped, he puts himself out there no matter what in order to catch the ball. Hit or no hit coming.

    If you recall the last game he took a helmet to helmet hit, caught the pass, held onto it and got up and went back into the huddle without one complaint. The guy is a complete stud. Any team would be lucky to have a guy like him on their team. He has heart.

    He may not be a Larry Fitz or flashy like Jerry Rice was but Wes is a football player and all you PATS HATERS are just pissed he isnt on your team. Give credit where its due.

  75. Single season records are going to fall eventually. But, it’s extremely hard to break career records. Rice’s career records for receptions/yards/TD won’t be broken any time soon. Same for Favre’s TD/yards records.

  76. The Patriots offense is a complicated one that he just happens to understand as does Deon Branch. While I know Wes is much better than Deon, it is a lot of a “product of environment” scenario. Look what Branch did in Seattle (and don’t tell me Matt Hasslebeck isn’t a good quarterback. look what he is doing in TENNESSEE) Look what happened to Moss when he left (he’s still a great receiver don’t let ESPN fool you). There is no doubt the guy is good, but not record book worthy. If he makes it, there should be an asterisk next to it saying *With a lot of help from Tom Brady.

  77. Both are unlikely, but McFadden has a better chance of breaking the rushing record than Welker or Brady have of breaking the passing/rec records.

    There is this thing called Winter coming.

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    Brady and the New England passing game love the Winter. Remember the 59-0 win against the Titans in the snow, or the win in Chicago last year in the snow and wind? Patriots are undfeated in the snow in the Brady era.

  78. Dink and dunk, formally known as the West Coast offense when Montana played. Oh wait, another system guy, I guess.

  79. I didn’t see his first 2 games but I saw the Bill’s game.

    I would suggest that he be covered. The Bills left him alone, which seemed to only work out for the Patriots.

  80. marinephinfan says:
    Sep 28, 2011 2:56 PM
    flash1283 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 2:08 PM
    marinephinfan says:
    Sep 28, 2011 1:43 PM
    Welker’s numbers are more impressive than Brady’s. Welker gets open and YAC because he’s smart, athletic, quick, and tough.

    Brady has the numbers he does because his O-Line protects him better than the Pope-mobile protects the Pope and all he has to do is dump it off to Welker (or one of his TE’s) and let them take that 5 yard pass 15+ yards.
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    So I guess you (the phin fan) did not watch the 1st game this year. Over 500 yards passing and that was all on 5 yard passes?

    Stop making yourself look stupid!

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    Actually, it was mostly 5-10yd passes you moron. 99 of those “passing yards” came from a short ~10yd sideline throw to an open Welker. Stupid. In the Dolphins game Brady’s average throw traveled 5.8 yds in the air, stupid. He threw the ball 48 times and completed 32. This means, moron, that he threw for 185yds and his WR’s/TE’s/RB’s had a YAC of 331 yds total, stupid.

    DINK and DUNK

    This is why you’re wrong, again.

    First lets start with the 99 yrd TD to Welker you say it was a “short ~10yd sideline throw to an open Welker”,

    when it was actually a 19-20 yard pass down the field to a covered WW.

    That 1 play had a total of 80 YAC yrds, so that scues your entire argument when you try and lump the WR, RB and TE in.

    The first long pass was to a WR for 46 yards in the air, he was tackled as soon as he caught the ball. So that’s 46 yrds ZERO YAC.

    My point is there is a big difference in saying he ONLY throws 5 yard passes than saying he averages 5 yard passes.

    If you really watched the game he had more than enough completions 15-20 yards down the field to Hernandez alone.

    I bet if you looked at A Rogers and Drew Brees’s numbers and put as much effort into it as you do with TB you would see that they are all pretty similar.

    I’m finished now, no hard feelings it’s all in good fun.

  81. psousa1 says: Sep 28, 2011 3:36 PM

    I love when someones says “He’s a system playah!!!” Please explain the system. I guess New England has a system and the rest of the teams draw up plays in the dirt. How about when Welker was with Miami and he was the only guy on that whole offense who was worth a rat’s ass. What kind of system was that? Why do people think you have to be a mad genius to coach or play this game. When the ball is snapped it’s about knocking the living hell out of someone and running, throwing and catching. Then again maybe Belichick is a genius to get a 14-2 record out of a team with the worst defensive team ever to get a number one seed.

    Let us know about that system thing. Thanks.
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    He won’t earn the “Genius” title until he figures out how to win Super Bowls without cheating — that is, outside of being here in New York.

  82. dmc1542 says: Sep 28, 2011 4:07 PM

    Wait, so “Dink and Dunk” is a bad thing???

    I gave it a thumbs-up because I love that they can “dink and dunk” their way down the field. That is what they did for all of their Super Bowl years. I’d much rather be a fan of a team that plays the short, accurate passing game rather than hoping for the home runs.

    DINK AND DUNK EM ALL THE WAY TO INDY!
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    It is when it’s the only thing you can do.

    Make Brady pass the ball more than 10-15 yards in the air and he’s average.

  83. It is when it’s the only thing you can do.

    Make Brady pass the ball more than 10-15 yards in the air and he’s average.
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    Yeah, like in 2007 with Moss when they broke every record in the book. Seriously, have you ever watched a FB game?

  84. Yeah, like in 2007 with Moss when they broke every record in the book. Seriously, have you ever watched a FB game?
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    Yeah, I SAW THEM LOSE VS. the GIANTS in the Super Bowl.

    the last one they went to (following SpyGate).

    Ravens, Jets have solved the Patriots. Blow Tom Brady up, and they are just another team.

  85. Tom Brady to Wes Welker… TOUCHDOWN !!!!
    And, since I’m here, below is my fantasy football team line-up. Feel free to eat your hearts out !!!

    QB1 – Tom Brady
    QB2 – Ryan Fitzpatrick
    RB1 – Darren McFadden
    RB2 – Fred Jackson
    RB3 – Peyton Hillis
    RB4 – Darren Sproles
    WR1 – Calvin Johnson
    WR2 – Wes Welker
    WR3 – Steve Johnson
    WR4 – Miles Austin
    K1 – Neil Rackers
    K2 Billy Cundiff
    D1 – Phildelphia
    D2 – Detroit

    I smell a championship cooking !!!

  86. Welker catches so many passes because 90% of them are within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. He then relies on his speed to make YAC. He also has arguably the best QB in the league throwing to him.

  87. tatum064 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 6:50 PM
    Yeah, like in 2007 with Moss when they broke every record in the book. Seriously, have you ever watched a FB game?
    ==============
    Yeah, I SAW THEM LOSE VS. the GIANTS in the Super Bowl.

    the last one they went to (following SpyGate).

    Ravens, Jets have solved the Patriots. Blow Tom Brady up, and they are just another team.
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    Uh, the last time the Ravens played the Pats was last season. The Pats won, so not sure what the Ravens “solved”.

    As for the Jets they have won the last 2 out of 3 not sure they “solved” anything, I guess we will find out in 2 weeks.

    And for this comment “Blow Tom Brady up, and they are just another team”

    YOU CAN SAY THAT ABOUT ANY QB.
    see Big Ben in last years SB, with guys in his face he threw 2 picks.

  88. laeaglefan says:Sep 28, 2011 7:03 PM

    Welker catches so many passes because 90% of them are within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. He then relies on his speed to make YAC. He also has arguably the best QB in the league throwing to him.
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    I know. I still can’t believe someone didn’t stop me from drafting both Brady and Welker. 3 – 0 and on a roll !!!

  89. This is the system that made D Branch look good, so you know it is over-inflated. Welker will catch a lot of balls, but in reality, he has the injury bug, and will likely miss 2+ games this year.

    Also, the reason the system seems to be so good is the defense is so bad. The Pat’s haven’t had a good D since R Crennel left years ago. He was the reason they had a good D back then, and the current coaching staff does not seem to understand basic defense strategies. With the defense giving up 500yrds a game, the offense has to do even more. This is perhaps the most one dimensional team in the history of team sports.

  90. I sincerely doubt that we’d be talking about his gaudy numbers if he didn’t play in a NE offensive system that is geared toward pass first, run occasionally

    Correct.

    5 yard passes to Welker are essentially part of New England’s running game.

    To his credit, he often turns it into 13 yards.

  91. rc33 says:
    This statement was “obviously” dripping with sarcasm, rich. Some other clown stating Welker was the only worthwhile receiver Brady had to throw to.

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    Shame on methen, rc33, I read it that you were agreeing with that moron, 7thlombardiontheway.

    Sorry.

  92. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    Make Brady pass the ball more than 10-15 yards in the air and he’s average.
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    Randy Moss says you’re an idiot.

  93. denverdude7 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 7:00 PM
    Tom Brady to Wes Welker… TOUCHDOWN !!!!
    And, since I’m here, below is my fantasy football team line-up. Feel free to eat your hearts out !!!
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    Dude, shut up. Nobody CARES about your fantasy team.

    @eltex; Wes Welker is INJURY PRONE????

    He tore an ACL at the end of season and didn’t miss a start. I honestly can’t remember him being a scratch more than a couple times the past 4 years.

  94. 8 straight years with double digit wins.

    That mean anything?

    I guess if the don’t win the Bowl every other year they “suck”, right?

  95. Welker is on track to blow the all-time receiving record away with a 14.8 yard average, and some dolt actually posted he’s a “dink and dunk” receiver?

    Good lord… Comments like that make me question if some of you even watch football.

  96. richm2256 says: Sep 28, 2011 8:09 PM

    Mr. Wright 212 says:
    Make Brady pass the ball more than 10-15 yards in the air and he’s average.
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    Randy Moss says you’re an idiot.

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    And I say YOU’RE one. Any QB with an arm attached to his body has been able to get the ball to him in situations where he would come away with it 80% of the time. Bums like Culpepper and Collins, along with Cassel, all showed that.

    Again, fail, still waiting (in vain) to dispute the fact that Welker is a product of the DINK AND DUNK. It’s not a bad thing, like you seem to think but just own it.

  97. Another ho-hum game from Wes against the Raiders. So many dink and dunk passes thrown his way. Of course, I don’t like to count the 32 yard strike, the 28 yard one ,or the 21 yard back shoulder catch while keeping both feet inbounds with a DB all over him, because that would just make my argument look bad.

    Listen, you guys want to rip on Hayneworth, go ahead. OchoCinco? Sure, easy target.

    But when you’re discrediting a wide receiver who puts up all the numbers (catches, yards, YAC, TDs), is maybe the toughest WR in the league, AND has done it for the last 5 years? Well, you just look really dumb.

    I mean, I hate the Jets. But that doesn’t mean I don’t think Revis is the best corner in the league.

    The whole “system QB”, “system WR” is garbarge to anyone who knows anything about football. I’m not sure why i even respond to these idiots. They don’t deserve any attention.

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