Will Shields, Tiki, Parcells, Cowher among Hall of Fame nominees

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The Pro Football Hall of Fame is out with its list of preliminary nominees for the class of 2012, and it looks like a class that won’t have many — if any — players getting in on the first ballot.

The best of the bunch is former Chiefs guard Will Shields. As I wrote last month in my look ahead at future Hall of Fame classes, Shields never missed a game in 14 seasons and was selected to the Pro Bowl 12 times, so if he doesn’t get in, the selection committee might as well just say guards can’t get in on their first try.

After Shields, the list of first-year eligible players features a lot of good but not great guys, like quarterback Drew Bledsoe and wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson. Running back Tiki Barber will also be eligible for the Class of 2012, as long as his attempted comeback continues to fail.

Three coaches are now eligible after five years out of coaching: Bill Cowher, Bill Parcells and Marty Schottenheimer. Parcells and Schottenheimer have both previously been eligible and both been voted down. Cowher’s enshrinement could come down to the question of whether he’s really retired.

Overall, a relative lack of great first-year nominees means this will probably be a good year for candidates who have come up short in the past, including Willie Roaf, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Charles Haley, Jerome Bettis, Curtis Martin, Andre Reed, Tim Brown and Cris Carter.

The Hall of Fame selection committee will vote by mail to reduce the current list of 103 nominees to 25 semifinalists, then vote again to get down to 15 modern-era finalists, who will be voted on the day before the Super Bowl, along with the two senior nominees, former Steelers defensive back Jack Butler and former Lions guard Dick Stanfel.

The full list of 71 players, 14 coaches and 18 contributors up for enshrinement this year is here.

137 responses to “Will Shields, Tiki, Parcells, Cowher among Hall of Fame nominees

  1. Voters are torn. Barber had a great career but who really wants to see that grotesque oversized head cast in bronze for perpetuity?

  2. Had Tiki kept his mouth shut and played (at his 2006 level) for another year or two, he’d be in.

    Cowher won’t get many votes as long as his name keeps popping up in Miami.

    They should just clear the backlog of deserving WRs this time around before 1000 career catches becomes par for the course. .

  3. I will still hold out hope for Ray Guy one day. Nobody disagrees he’s the best punter ever, and why even have the position if you refuse to acknowledge it in the HOF?

  4. Every Steeler should be put in the hall of fame. Period.

    Thank God we can fit these rings on one hand.

    Oh wait…

  5. Football purists will be able to point to a large bust and say “That’s Tiki Barber”. Broadcast viewers will point to Tiki Barber and say “That’s a large bust.”.

  6. They’d better enshrine Cortez Kennedy this year. It’ll be next to impossible otherwise with the amount of former elite players becoming eligible in the next few years.

  7. One would figure Curtis Martin’s body of work would make the cutdown list with all the yards he racked up in time with NE & NYJ.

    The three notable receivers mentioned above (Reed, T Brown, and C Carter) all deserve consideration and will likely make the cut (or at least 2 of the 3), but only one will likely be making a speech next year.

  8. “As I wrote last month in my look ahead at future Hall of Fame classes”

    Are you referring to that joke of an article that excluded Derrick Brooks, one of the greatest (if not the greatest) weakside linebackers of all time, from the list of HOF contenders?

    Next time you quickly thro together a P.O.S. HOF article MDS, do all your homework or don’t bother doing it at all.

  9. I hope the current state of the Miami Dolphins keeps Tuna out of the HOF. His philosophy is hopelessly outdated, and Miami is paying the price for his lack of vision.

  10. Tiki is the definition of a “turd”, I mean he seemed to have been intimidated by Eli Manning and thats pretty sad.

  11. “richm2256 says:Sep 28, 2011 2:55 PM
    How do you NOT vote Parcells into the Hall?”

    Easy, you look at his track record after New York. His teams struggled to make the playoffs more often than not. His franchise building was downright crappy.

    That’s not to take away from what he did in New York, but to answer your question: his entire NFL career should be weighed. Not just New York.

  12. I’d really like to see Roger Craig, Andre Reed, and Dermontti Dawson get the call. I see Terrell Davis made the Preliminary list again, too. I think if he had one more season like his prime, he’d be in, but he’ll have to settle for the Hall of Very Good, unfortunately.

    Mike Vanderjagt? Really, they listed the liquored up kicker on here? He was quite accurate, but certainly not HOF-worthy, in my book.

  13. I 2nd panthers34 on Cliff Branch. Tim Brown does deserve to get in, but only after Branch gets in.

    The HOF inductions are more belated than the Oscars for best actor/actress.

  14. Tiki should never be in the discussion and for you to even mention him as a possible inductee is hopefully just to get a laugh if you are serious then you are flat out wrong. All Tiki did was fumble for 3/4 of his career maybe 4/5 of his career. He was also not a good teammate and the Giants won the super bowl because his distraction was gone. Tiki is not a good guy and was an average player at best. Ronde yeah sure he is in the hall of fame discussion (maybe but even that is a stretch a pretty big stretch which tells you how far Tiki is from that. Tiki even being mentioned is enough to excommunicate you from writing articles not seriously but like the espn segment “Come on Man.” What it takes to be a hall of fame calibur corner is Charles Woodson. What is takes to be a hall of fame running back is Adrien Peterson or Ladanian Tomlinson. Not Tiki not ever! I cannott believe his name is included with other greats it is a disservice to some of the older guys from the 40s 50s 60s 70s and 80s who are not in that actually deserve to be mentioned do not give Tiki the advertising when there are deserving names to be included in the discussion that are not him.

  15. It always amazes me how these clowns pick and choose when “off the field actions” factor into their voting. Haley should have been in 5-6 years ago. Five Super Bowl Rings, ultimate game changer, played hurt all the time, etc. etc. etc.

    Shields (no brainer).
    Tiki (NO – 4 below average to average years, 1 average year, 3 very good years and 2 great years — not enough).
    Carter (All he did was catch touchdowns, but he pissed the wrong people off, I guess?)
    Cowher (Overrated, tired of Giants fans clamoring for him, and only one won Super Bowl when his teams were favored to win 4-5 others).
    Parcells (No brainer).

    Some of these other guys were too outspoken and that rubs the establishment wrong. Carter included with Keyshawn and a few others.

    Bledsoe was never the same after the Mo Lewis hit, honestly.

  16. Who cares what Tiki did off the field? THere are players in the HOF that have done MUCH worse. He’ll get in eventually. FYI – His numbers are better than Roger Craig.

  17. Why is Cowher being considered? He won his 1 Super Bowl…and that ties him with about 25 other coaches that won 1 and aren’t in it. What qualifies him over all those others? Mike Tomlin is tied with him so do we just rubber stamp his name in reserve too? Does Gruden get in next? How about Barry Switzer? Jimmy Johnson has more than 1 and he’s not in…so what is the criteria? Is it a popularity thing? Tony Dungy has his 1 AND he played in the league so is he a shoo-in too?

    I’ve liked the Steelers even before there was a Steel Curtain, but always found Cowher to be sort of annoying.

  18. Cliff Branch should be in the HOF. His stats are comparable to Bob Hayes and better than Lynn Swann. With the addition of 3 SB rings, you’d think he’d be a shoo-in. Biletnikoff is in, but the defensive players of those days actually feared Branch even more.

  19. Re – Branch/Tim Brown. Craig/Tiki, etc. The HOF committee doesnt care what order players get in. If they did, then Monk wouldnt have gotten a year AFTER Irvin.

  20. Will Shields, yes…Tiki? Not even close, ever. Reed, maybe.

    Were Chris Carter and Tim Brown the best WR’s of their generation, let alone 2 of the best of all time? Do we put in the best 5 to 7 of each generation, or is the Hall exclusive? Maybe it’s not anymore……

    Ditto Curtis Martin and the Bus. Great players, wish I had them on my team, but among the greatest of all time? Really?? Cmon, man!

    Coaches? Not Marty, not Parcells, not Cowher. Great coaches, but again-among the greatest ever?? i suppose Parcells’ faithful can make a case, but the other 2, no way….1 ring between the 2 of them? Then you’d better put dozens of other coaches in there too……….

  21. 7thlombardiontheway says: Sep 28, 2011 2:59 PM

    Every Steeler should be put in the hall of fame. Period.

    Thank God we can fit these rings on one hand.

    Oh wait…

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    LOL

    Based on your posts I had begun to think you were just dumb by default. Now I’m convinced you’re being dumb on purpose, which is far worse.

    At least if you were born dumb there would be an excuse for your incoherent postings.

    What I am confident of is your annoyance and lack of relevance.

    Now please, shhh. Let the grown ups speak.

  22. Here is my list of who should get in too bad all of these guys will not this year: order determined by best players first.

    1. Sterling Sharpe/ best tight end ever.
    2. Kevin Greene/ that guy was great.
    3. Charles Haley
    4. Hershall Walker
    5. Tony Boseli
    6. Mark Clayton
    7. Cornelius Bennett
    8. Roger Craig
    9. Chris Doleman
    10. Chris Carter
    11. Jimmy Smith
    12. Ricky Watters

    That is y list of the top 12 candidates of the more recent eras. Will have to do more research about the guys who were around before I was born.

  23. Tiki seriously? I hate the steelers but the bus deserves to be there before tiki. Tiki was average at best. He shouldnt get in on first ballot or any ballot. This is the year for charles haley andre reed and tim brown.

  24. Chris Carter toeing the sideline catches is hof material in itself- Tiki not so much-Reed for sure he was awsome to watch and 1 hellofa reciever.

  25. Cris Carter wasn’t an “elite” WR and wouldn’t know one if he saw one. Put Carter in the Hall of the Very Good with other players (Terrell Davis who weren’t quite HOF material.

  26. Even Tiki’s University disowned him before his self implosion was over. No more spokesmen offers except for lepers and radioactive people.. But even the lepers don’t want him.

  27. Single Filament says:
    Easy, you look at his track record after New York. His teams struggled to make the playoffs more often than not. His franchise building was downright crappy.

    That’s not to take away from what he did in New York, but to answer your question: his entire NFL career should be weighed. Not just New York.
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    You CAN’T be serious……

    He did CRAP after winning 2 Super Bowls with the Giants and turning them from losers to a culture of winning that exists to this day?????

    Let’s see what “crap” work he did;

    He took a 2-14 Patriots team to a Super Bowl, and built a culture of winning that exists there to this day….

    He turned a 1-15 Jets team into a playoff contender, and established a culture of winning that exists to this day.

    He took a Cowboys team that knew only 5-11 seasons, and turned them into a playoff caliber team.

    He took a 1-15 Dolphins team and went 11-5 his very first year, and he WASN’T EVEN ON THE FIELD!!!!!

    You think that was CRAP?????

    Has ANY coach in NFL history been responsible for rescuing so many pathetic franchises and not only winning with them, but establishing cultures of winning for years after?

  28. Wouldn’t it be funny if Dermonti, the Bus, the Chin, and Butler pulled a Steel-town royal flush and were the only winners? I’ll bet Tiki would be flabbergasted. He might even be one step beyond that – apoplectic?

  29. Being from buffalo andre reed deserves to be in…what he did for the bills of the early 90s is incredible..and I hate hate hate the bills

  30. Having a class every year just saturates the HOF.

    Why not just have a selection every three years or so that way we aren’t just settling on those players from that year of selection.

    I’d rather see fewer guys in the HOF, it makes the inclusion to the club that much more illustrious.

  31. the fact that Plunkett, Tom Flores, and Cliff Branch aren’t in already takes away from the credibility of the HOF and especially the voters

  32. Tiki is a nominee?? Why on Earth would anyone put him in the HOF? Did he set a fumble record during his career or something? His own team booed him at his ROH ceremony. LOL!

  33. richm2256 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 2:55 PM
    How do you NOT vote Parcells into the Hall?

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    I’m torn on Parcells, he’s kind of like Phil Jackson. What would he be if he went somewhere where the players were marginal or average at best.

    Oh wait…. he did that in Miami and ran away with his tail between his legs.

    Sorry Billy Boy, voters tend to remember the last thing you did. And the last thing you did is leave a franchise high and dry in semi-retirement, while you collect pay checks for doing nothing.

    With that said, he’s probably getting in because 75% of the voters are closet Giants fans

  34. In: Chris Doleman, Will Shields, Cris Carter, Curtis Martin, Dermontti Dawson and Jerome Bettis.

    If Derrick Brooks is eligible, he should be on the list of entries as well. If not, the very underrated Aeneas Williams should go in.

    Most overrated on the apparent “short” list: Cortez Kennedy.

  35. Bill Parcells=One Superbowl, big deal

    Ken Stabler=Two Superbowl Wins, only QB with 2 SB wins to not be in HoF

    Will Shields=Dominated his position for 14 years

  36. Cliff Branch>Lynn Swann (sorry steeler fans its not even close either)
    Swann – 336 Rec 5462 yards 51 TD
    Branch – 501 Rec 8685 yards 67 TD

    maybe branch should have been a ballerina too? maybe that would have got him in? and dont give me this 4 rings vs 3 rings because the offense for the steelers didn’t win those superbowls their great defense did.

  37. A$$hole behavior aside,Tiki is in NO way,a Hall of Fame Player,for that matter neither is Bettis. When at any time during their respective careers were either of them considered The Best in the Game?

  38. Will Shields & Willie Roaf in the same class! yeah!!

    and yea, tim brown and chris carter deserve in, obviously

  39. NFL HOF is becoming as watered down as the NBA HOF when you have people like Dick Vitale getting in for no reason.

    Keyshawn – never.

    Cowher – overrated as they come. One win and a ton of fails with good teams.

    Andre Reed – There’s 20 better WRs playing right now.

    Tim Brown – ditto.

    Bledsoe – you have to be kidding me! He’s most famous for not getting out of bounds.

    Schottenheimer – the epitomy of “almost”. Really?

  40. Parcells was a loud mouth oaf. He won two superbowls (one by extreme luck). He did build up the jets and pats but has been largely unsuccessful after that. I say he’s borderline as a HOF candidate.

  41. Will Shields, Tiki, Parcells, Cowher among Hall of Fame nominees
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  42. Drew Bledsoe should get in for launching the careers of both Tom Brady and Tony Romo.

    Charles Haley should get in for playing on every Super Bowl winning team from 1974-1993.

  43. The really sad thing is that overrated fatboy Peter King is going to push hard for Barber. THe Hall of Fame voting process is horrid. King and the rest should be removed and the process should be redone.

  44. Parcells won TWO Super Bowls, you idiot. And the reason he didn’t win elsewhere is because he rebuilt teams from scraps. The Patriots were laughingstocks of the entire NFL before he got there and they’ve been respectable (before cheating) to excellent (aside from cheating) since he left.

    Jets were a 1-15 team. GOODNESS.

    Dallas was a mess, coming off three straight 5-11 seasons and his best players from his Dallas drafts/signings are the only ones doing anything in overmatched/overrated Garrett’s system today.

  45. Cortez Kennedy is not overrated, he played in anonymity in Seattle and they were awful the entire time he was there. If you knew football or even watched how “disruptive” he was at DT for the entire 90s, you’d know he’s worthy.

    And Sterling Sharpe was a WR, and a damn great one also. 595 catches in 6 1/2 years, and a middle of the road QB passing him the ball in 4 of those 6 1/2 years???

    He would have broken Rice’s records EASILY and would probably just retired 5-6 years ago if he didn’t have the neck.

  46. Will Shields belongs. As does Tim Brown.

    The thought that Parcells belongs in the Hall is far less valid when you consider his diminishing performance at each stop. Giants win two Super Bowls, Pats go to one and lose, the Jets do nothing, as do the Cowboys, and the Dolphins are horrid.

  47. 1509lucky says: Sep 28, 2011 4:19 PM

    A$$hole behavior aside,Tiki is in NO way,a Hall of Fame Player,for that matter neither is Bettis. When at any time during their respective careers were either of them considered The Best in the Game?
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    Peoples’ considerations of who was the “best” are fickle, but Tiki was Top 3 in yards from scrimmage his final three seasons, including leading the league outright in 2005, if I’m not mistaken. But I don’t want to see him in the HOF, and I’m a Giants fan.

  48. 1509lucky says: Sep 28, 2011 4:19 PM

    A$$hole behavior aside,Tiki is in NO way,a Hall of Fame Player,for that matter neither is Bettis. When at any time during their respective careers were either of them considered The Best in the Game?

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    I’d put Bettis in over Tiki if given the choice.

    But your right I don’t know if either belong in the HOF when you compare them to the best RB at the time, and current HOFer Emmit Smith.

    Look at the stats

    Emmit Smith had 18,355 yds on 4,409 carries(4.2 avg) and 164 TDs (15 years in NFL) –11 seasons over 1k yds.

    Tiki had 10,449 yds on 2,217 carries (4.7 avg) and 55 TDS (10 years in NFL) –6 season over 1k yds

    The Bus had 13,662 yds on 3,479 carries (3.9 avg) and 91 TDS. (13 years in NFL) 8– seasons over 1k yds

    Granted Emmit was in the league longer but Bettis was on a sharp decline when he retired and Tiki was on and off so who knows if they would of compared to Emmit with his 15 years.

  49. Based on the list of eligibles (other guys are actually more deserving imo) I think these guys make the cut–in no particular order:
    Curtis Martin
    Tim Brown
    Chris Carter
    Willie Roaf
    Charles Haley
    Don Coryell
    Will Shields
    Roger Craig
    Steve Atwater
    Kevin Greene
    Jerome Bettis
    Sterling Sharpe
    Andre Reed
    Bill Parcells
    Gil Brandt

  50. realdraftgm says: Sep 28, 2011 3:38 PM

    Here is my list of who should get in too bad all of these guys will not this year: order determined by best players first.

    1. Sterling Sharpe/ best tight end ever.
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    Einstein,sterling sharpe was a wr,his brother shannon was a TE and was voted in and inducted this summer.
    if you did’nt know that,wtf should we take you for anything but a joke?
    parcells should be voted in on the first ballott!

  51. 1.Ray Guy.. It’s been long enough-put the best punter all time in
    2. Sterling Sharpe (If Lynn Swann is in, Sterling should be right ahead of him). He has much better numbers than Swann and was more consistent until his 1 career ending injury. The only reason he’s not in is because of his neck.
    3. Charles Haley.. Hes got more rings than Montana and has impressive stats as well.
    4a. Tim Brown
    4b. Andre Reed
    I think just one of them gets in this year and can’t pick between the two. both had different skill sets, but both were the most valuable offensive playmaker on both of their respective teams.
    5. I’m torn between Shields and Dermont Dawson. Dawson has been waiting, but I think Shields longevity will side with him with the voters. He also made Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson look like pro bowlers.
    6. Curtis Martin. I’m iffy on all the backs eligible this year, and if I had to take one, I’d take Curtis. He could catch passes and run with the best of them and was consistent unlike Tiki and the Bus.

  52. Cowher could become the first human being to have his jaw on display in the Pro Football Hall of Fame and the National Museum of Anthropology.

  53. Cowher should NOT be in the Hall of Fame. He coached the Steelers to 1 championship in 15 years. Half the coaches in the league should have a championship in 15 years.

    In any other city, he would have been axed years ago. He was too up and down for a hall of fame coach. He was picking in the top part of the draft almost every other year.

    I am not a big fan of the Tuna either, but there is absolutely no way the Chin gets in before the Tuna. His teams weren’t always the best, but he did change cultures where he went. He was great with the Giants, but bottom barrell teams brought him in to fix the culture and he accomplished that everywhere he went.

  54. Shields should be a First Ballot Enshrinee – no question.

    Tiki shouldn’t even be nominated. C’mon. Really?

    Cowher doesn’t deserve to go (IMO) either — he won one Super Bowl, despite some incredible defenses that were orchestrated by some elite d-coordinators. LeBeau is at the forefront of that crew. The Steelers had amazing talent too – yet only won one under Cowher.

    Oh, and it was Cowher who repeatedly squandered years of legendary Steelers by insisting K-Stew be taking snaps.

    Shield is a legend.

    Tiki is a joke.

    Cowher has more to prove.

    Signed,
    Black & Gold-bleeding Steeler Fan

  55. Joe Jacoby needs consideration for the HOF, and its a travesty he hasn’t to this point. 12+ NFL career. Starter on the O-line for 4 SB teams and has 3 rings to show for it. Could play every position on the O-line accept for center. IMO, he should of gotten in before Russ Grim, but whats done is done. Jacoby has earned public consideration at least.

  56. damnyoulinelliot says:Sep 28, 2011 3:21 PM

    Shields and Roaf should go in together. It would make this Chiefs fan incredibly proud.
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    Too bad for you Roaf said last year he’s going into the Hall as a Saint…

  57. Don’t forget that Tiki was also an up and down fumbler for much of his early career. He had a few great seasons, but that skews his overall career. Sort of like Terrell Davis if he played more seasons.

    Cowher won one Super Bowl and lasted for a decade and a half in a city that always keeps their coaches forever. Not a Hall-worthy accomplishment.

  58. realdraftgm says: Sep 28, 2011 3:38 PM

    “Here is my list of who should get in …

    …That is y list of the top 12 candidates of the more recent eras. Will have to do more research about the guys who were around before I was born.”

    Research spelling and sentence structure first. It’s hard to take you seriously when you communicate like a 2nd grader.

  59. @realdraftgm. Uh how is sterling sharper the best TIGHT END ever bro? He played wide receiver. U can’t be real draft gm. Learn positions first bro

  60. For the love of god…ANYONE who votes for Tiki should have their credential revoked immediately.

    Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. Especially with guys like Andre Reed and Chris Carter floating around.

  61. @realdraftgm. Uh how is sterling sharpe the best TIGHT END ever bro? He played wide receiver. U can’t be real draft gm. Learn positions first bro

  62. docredskin says:
    Sep 28, 2011 4:42 PM
    Will Shields belongs. As does Tim Brown.

    The thought that Parcells belongs in the Hall is far less valid when you consider his diminishing performance at each stop. Giants win two Super Bowls, Pats go to one and lose, the Jets do nothing, as do the Cowboys, and the Dolphins are horrid.
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    Agree 100%. He’s borderline (which explains why he did not make it first time he was up for HOF election). Of his two superbowl wins, the second required a real (three) strokes of luck to make it.

  63. The point wasn’t Roaf going in as a Chief or Saint. It was that he belonged in the HOF with his former team mate Shields. No one hates the Raiders more than me but it would be stupid not to acknowledge Marcus Allens great career with the Raiders even if he was inducted as a Chief. (I also think Ray Guy not getting in is a crime and that Tim Brown belongs there too). At the end of the day real NFL fans should appreciate great players regardless of affiliation

  64. Parcells has a great body of work. What do you guys want? A SB win every other year? He did turn most of those teams around after he left NY. It’s not the Hall of Superbowl wins. Last time I checked, no coach has won a Superbowl with 2 different teams. He is one of the greatest.

  65. I swear if I got a DIME for every time some outta town hack tried to discount Giants’ Super Bowl wins by calling “luck”, I’d be able to be friggin’ buy their favorite NFL team cash money.

  66. yeah ken stabler won one superbowl. he should be in there because he was a great player but that fact that plunkett isn’t in with two superbowl wins is rediculous (fact: Plunkett and Tom Flores are the only eligible QB and coach with two superbowl wins not in the HOF)

  67. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 6:40 PM
    I swear if I got a DIME for every time some outta town hack tried to discount Giants’ Super Bowl wins by calling “luck”, I’d be able to be friggin’ buy their favorite NFL team cash money.

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    That is funny 🙂
    But it goes to show how many people think of that 1990 superbowl win to be extremely lucky. Imagine, Craig fumbles with the victory almost in hand and then Norwood misses a 46 yard FG. (Not to mention that Hostetler steps in and performs well in place of Simms.)

  68. Cliff Branch, yes

    Ray Guy, absolutely. Start treating kickers like they are important because they are.

    Art Modell…maybe Tony Grossi will finally give up his whiny crusade against one of the giants of the old NFL. A great man who deserves to be enshrined.

    Cowher? What the hell, 1 Super Bowl win in his what, 14 years? BFD.

  69. polishrod says:
    I’m torn on Parcells, he’s kind of like Phil Jackson. What would he be if he went somewhere where the players were marginal or average at best
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    Are you CRAZY?????

    Parcells took over these teams:

    Patriots 2-14
    Jets 1-15
    Cowboys 5-11
    Dolphins 1-15

    Everywhere he WENT, he was SURROUNDED by “marginal” players!!!!

    God, some of you people are IDIOTS.

  70. jimmysimpson55 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 4:14 PM
    Bill Parcells=One Superbowl, big deal

    Ken Stabler=Two Superbowl Wins, only QB with 2 SB wins to not be in HoF

    Will Shields=Dominated his position for 14 years

    Parcells won two you moron, and Stabler only won one.

    If you’re going to make up facts, you should at least try.

  71. If Parcells is not in the Hall of Fame there is no reason to have one. Of the teams he coached, he turned around all of the franchises. MARV LEVY is in the hall of fame and he does not have one. Parcells has been to three super bowls and won 2.

    Since Lombardi, how many coaches have clearly been better
    Knoll, Walsh, Belly, and maybe Gibbs?

    Cowher should not get in.

    I am not sure Tiki should get in, but he was a better RB than Bettis, who will most likely get in

  72. coys10 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 7:54 PM
    If Parcells is not in the Hall of Fame there is no reason to have one. Of the teams he coached, he turned around all of the franchises. MARV LEVY is in the hall of fame and he does not have one. Parcells has been to three super bowls and won 2.

    Since Lombardi, how many coaches have clearly been better
    Knoll, Walsh, Belly, and maybe Gibbs?
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    And Landry, Shula. I think Parcells will get in.

  73. youdownwithjpp says: Sep 28, 2011 3:52 PM

    Having a class every year just saturates the HOF.

    Why not just have a selection every three years or so that way we aren’t just settling on those players from that year of selection.

    I’d rather see fewer guys in the HOF, it makes the inclusion to the club that much more illustrious.
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    That is absurd. Out of the thousands of players, coaches, and other contributors in the total history of the NFL, there are 267 HOF enshrinees. That is hardly over saturation. There are many more who deserve to be in and are NOT (Jerry Kramer and Chris Carter to name just two off the top of my head) , than there are those who do not deserve to be in but ARE.

  74. To whoever said earlier that Shields and Roaf made Priest Holmes “look like” a Pro Bowl player: Priest DID have an amazing line to run behind, but that can only take you so far. He was a very talented player who could have had a HOF career if he had stayed healthy.

  75. Also, Marty is a fantastic coach who would be a first-ballot shoe-in if he had just won one Super Bowl. Several of those playoff losses are unfairly blamed on him. It’s not his fault Lin Elliott missed three short field goals. It’s not his fault Earnest Byner fumbled on the goal line. It’s not his fault Joe Montana got hurt in the AFC Championship Game.

    Also, I’m sorry that I’m such an obvious Chiefs fan.

  76. well first off , when you are the best at your position, and the best player at the college level at that position is anmed after you…you should be in the hall of fame

  77. blastfurnaceknows says: Sep 28, 2011 4:14 PM

    Most overrated on the apparent “short” list: Cortez Kennedy.

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    Please tell me how Kennedy is “overrated”. If anything he’s underrated.

  78. “Shields never missed a game in 14 seasons and was selected to the Pro Bowl 12 times, so if he doesn’t get in, the selection committee might as well just say guards can’t get in on their first try.”

    Randall McDaniel had an even more illustrious career and he had to wait. For that matter, Jerry Kramer is still waiting. What’s up with that?

  79. scoops1 says:
    Sep 28, 2011 3:04 PM

    Do not put Chris Carter in the HOF

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    Chris Carter won’t!

    Now Cris Carter should get in and probably will. Jerry Rice said Carter had the best hands.

  80. blackqbwhiterb says:
    Sep 28, 2011 3:35 PM

    Will Shields, yes…Tiki? Not even close, ever. Reed, maybe.

    Were Chris Carter and Tim Brown the best WR’s of their generation, let alone 2 of the best of all time? Do we put in the best 5 to 7 of each generation, or is the Hall exclusive? Maybe it’s not anymore……

    ==============================

    No question Carter & Brown were among the best of their generation. Their stats would argue they belong in the best of all time behind Rice. Yet you say “maybe” on Reed, whose stats aren’t as good and played with a HOF QB during is career. Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with Reed gaining enshrinement, just not before the other two.

    Who exactly do you put in front of Carter & Brown from their generation that would drop them to the 5-7 range?

  81. I think we’ll eventually see the following gain entrance to the Hall:

    C Carter (best hands according to J Rice)
    T Brown (dropped a few but dynamic)
    A Reed (key player on successful team)
    C Haley (5 rings – QB’s nightmare)
    W Roaf (terrific OT for a long time)
    D Dawson (terrific C for a long time)
    W Shields (terrific G for a long time)
    D Brooks (great all around LB)
    C Kennedy (underated monster in the middle)
    C Doleman (should – stats are basically identical to recent inductees R Dent & R Jackson)

    Never quite sure when it comes to coaches.

  82. I remember watching R Guy and thinking he was great, but his stats don’t bare it out. Chris Kluwe’s average is two yards better than Guy’s. Weird!

    C Martin will probably get in, but his career was more about staying healthy & steady production that resulted in a lot of yrds & TDs, but a pedestrian yrds per carry. Still, 10 straight years of over a 1,000 yrds (700+ in 12 games his last season) is impressive. But is it great?

    R Craig (only 3 1,000 yrd seasons – 2 just barely, decent # of TDs but not great, average yrd per carry, not great overall stats)

    K Stabler (have trouble with a guy who threw 28 more INTs than TDs)

    J Plunkett (52% completion rate, 34 more INTs than TDs, no Pro Bowls or All-Pro teams)

    C Branch (only 2 seasons with 1,000 yrds or double digit TDs. had a great 3 yr stretch otherwise had only 2 more yrs over 710 yrds)

    J Bettis (only 4 seasons out of 13 averaging better than 4.0 yrds per carry – 3.9 lifetime)

    Tiki (was he ever considered an elite of his generation @ his position? last 5 yrs were great, but the first 5 were not, good yrds per carry though!)

    All of these players were very good, but were they truly great? Taking in their entire career were they elite?

    Still…I would have given anything to have any one of their careers.

  83. Let’s lose the “Tom Flores and Jim Plunkett are getting hosed” nonsense. Flores is eleven games over .500 as a coach. Not a HOF record. BTW, Jimmy Johnson is also a two time SB winning coach who is not in the Hall. You want Flores in the Hall, maybe (big maybe) after Johnson and Seifert. As to Plunkett, okay, he’s twice as good as Trent Dilfer. Big deal. As someone said earlier, no Pro Bowls, no All Pro teams. A .500 record as a starter. A mediocre completion percentage. More INTs than TDs. Exactly four winning seasons in a career that was what, 13 or 14 years. Good QB, but not one of the all time greats.

  84. “I see Terrell Davis made the Preliminary list again, too. I think if he had one more season like his prime, he’d be in, but he’ll have to settle for the Hall of Very Good, unfortunately.”

    Are you really this stupid? Two rings, NFL MVP and Super Bowl MVP in 2 years – that is not “Very good,” that is OUTSTANDING.

  85. @ The Grand Occident

    I don’t believe that anyone is claiming that Davis in his prime wasn’t outstanding. The issue is whether or not what basically amounted to a four year career is enough to earn a spot in the Hall. Sorry, but not enough of a career to call it one of the all time great careers which is what enshrinement should be about. It’s a shame that his knees quit on him. He was really something when healthy.

  86. @ The Grand Occident

    Dude, chill-out. I loved watching Davis play. His four-year window was dominant, and as mentioned, it’s a shame his knees let him down. I’d like to see him in the HOF, but four very good/dominant years is probably not going to cut it as far as the voters are concerned, nor should it.

    @1bigtex
    Spot-on with your comment. That’s, in a nutshell, what I was going for.

  87. Cortez Kennedy had 58 sacks over an 11 year career with only one year > 8 sacks. He forced a grand total of 6 fumbles over that same span. He never won a thing. His team stank out loud and all the time. He was dull. He was and is forgettable. He disappeared from games. There wasn’t a thing special about him.

    Other than that, you are right, wy01, I was wrong when I said he was over-rated. Wait, no I wasn’t.

  88. DEAR MR WRIGHT:

    I KNOW HE WAS A DT. WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT TO MEASURE HIM BY IF NOT SACKS, CAREER RECEPTIONS? HE HAD 2 SEASONS > 70 TACKLES. 2 SEASONS IN 11. SHOULD WE NOT MEASURE HIM BY THAT EITHER? HOW ABOUT 6 FORCED FUMBLES IN 11 YEARS? HOW ABOUT HIS TEAM STUNK?

    OTHER THAN THAT, IMPRESSIVE USE OF CAPITAL LETTERS. YOU REALLY MUST BE A GENIUS.

  89. “Cortez Kennedy had 58 sacks over an 11 year career with only one year > 8 sacks. He forced a grand total of 6 fumbles over that same span. He never won a thing. His team stank out loud and all the time. He was dull. He was and is forgettable. He disappeared from games. There wasn’t a thing special about him. ”

    Kennedy was regularly double and triple teamed during his career. Generally that means that his stats are going to be as good even though he’s doing exactly what he should be doing. Michael Sinclair didn’t get those three consecutive seasons of 12 or more sacks because of himself, he got them because of the attention that Kennedy demanded. There’s more to being a dominant player than just stats. Especially as a DT where you’re going to have lower stats anyways.

    Oh yeah and let’s blame the Seahawks’ ineptitude on Kennedy, shall we? I mean, it certainly didn’t have anything to do with the fact that their offense was consistently bad. The 1992 team finished with an average of 8.8 points a game. In no game did they score more than twenty points and in half their games they scored less than ten. Seriously, blaming Kennedy for the team’s lack of success is ridiculous and really makes it sound like you’re just trying to come up with any reason that you can to help your claim.

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