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Vikings stadium plan facing increased opposition

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Somewhere in Los Angeles, AEG’s Tim Leiweke is rubbing his hands together maniacally.

The Vikings have only six more games at the Metrodome before their lease expires.  The Vikings want to build a new stadium in Ramsey County.  The Vikings want the Legislature to approve a hybrid public-private financing plan that would include an increased sales tax in Ramsey County without a public vote on the issue.

And the public isn’t standing for it.

According to Rochelle Olson of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, a public hearing on Wednesday night featured a much stronger contingent of opponents than supporters to the current plan, with “dozens” of Ramsey County residents saying that they want a chance to vote on any proposed tax increase.

Since it’s believed that a public vote would result in a resounding rejection of the proposed sales tax, a public vote would likely kill the deal.

Thus, absent a new plan, a new stadium for the Vikings won’t be built.  At least not in Minnesota.

The question becomes whether the Vikings would try to play in L.A. as soon as next year, at the Rose Bowl or the Coliseum, or whether the team would agree to stay put for one more year, hopeful that a heightened sense of urgency will get a deal done.  Folks in Minnesota likely will realize, eventually, that they need to do what needs to be done to help keep the team from leaving.

Here’s hoping they realize this before it’s too late to keep the Vikings from leaving.

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  1. comeonnowguys says: Sep 29, 2011 9:39 AM

    Sing it, Randy:

    “I love L.A.!

    WE LOVE IT!”

  2. ammarradhi says: Sep 29, 2011 9:42 AM

    Unless they stop these dissapointing second half losses, I dont think anyone will be supportive of the stadium. Maybe the Owners can contribute more money since they will be making all the profits!

  3. rmzthefirst says: Sep 29, 2011 9:44 AM

    Ummmm, wait….! Isn’t it the Jags that are going to LA..?

  4. pabillsfan says: Sep 29, 2011 9:45 AM

    I haven’t been paying too much attention to this as I’m not a Vikings fan, but why can’t they just renew their current lease? Is there something wrong with the current dome? I am not being rude or anything, I’m just wondering. Maybe someone can let me know what the issue with the current building is?

  5. cardiovascularendurance says: Sep 29, 2011 9:46 AM

    Its time to end public funding of sports stadiums. The NFL brings in plenty of money. They can afford a stadium in MN, where there are sure to be folks in seats.

  6. buddygarrity says: Sep 29, 2011 9:47 AM

    C’mon Minnesota – don’t let boneheads in politics make the Vikes move to LA. MN be scrambling for a new team in 10 years and give naming rights to the same guy that came up with “Minnesota Wild”

  7. ivegotbigblogs says: Sep 29, 2011 9:47 AM

    Please get the deal done. I don’t want us to have to go through what Cleveland went through.

  8. jimmysee says: Sep 29, 2011 9:48 AM

    Do not ask for whom the bell tolls — it tolls for you!

  9. cjw1197 says: Sep 29, 2011 9:49 AM

    I sure don’t hear anyone complaining about the tax increase for Target Field… get a stadium built and keep the Vikings in Minnesota.

  10. kernelreefer says: Sep 29, 2011 9:49 AM

    One of the biggest problems with moving forward is that the public, in general, doesn’t seem to know the details of the plan. Most folks I’ve talked do not know that it includes much needed (and promised) infrastructure improvements, or that this would finally force the army to pick up the tab and clean up the ammo dump.

    Of course, most people just cling on to the “subsidies for billionaires” argument without realizing that Wild would not likely own the leasing rights, even as he puts up 400 billion dollars of his own money.

    Or that Minnesota stadiums are unique in producing more money for the state from football revenues than the amount put in.

    Of course, the Star Tribune hates the stadium deal, so how xouls the public know?

  11. dje81 says: Sep 29, 2011 9:50 AM

    IF the Vikings were to move to L.A., you think they would be put into the NFC West, and have the Rams move to the NFC North??

    The Rams would get killed in that division, and I would hate to see those Vikings rivalries disappear.

  12. nrwalk12238 says: Sep 29, 2011 9:50 AM

    This is ridiculous!!! As a resident of Ramsey County, I am in favor of the stadium. A $0.005 increase in sales tax will be hardly noticeable. What gets me is that the people that are complaining about the tax increase are going to be the people bitching the loudest about the owners when they move the Vikings to LA. Even though they are the ones that brought it to fruition!

    Minnesotans, pull your heads out of (you know where) and realize that a stadium being built will be a great boost to our economy…jobs, jobs, jobs!!!

  13. jimmysee says: Sep 29, 2011 9:50 AM

    Thank the tea party anti-tax no matter what wing-nut jobs for this.

  14. fargovikesfan says: Sep 29, 2011 9:51 AM

    The people that are out there screaming that they don’t want to pay for a new stadium will be the first ones in line to be screaming again when the state has to raise taxes to make up the difference in revenue that they lose if the team moves. The stupidity of these people (and members of the Legislature) is astounding. One of the key members of the Legislature actually made the comment that “I don’t think the team will leave, they’ve built a history here”. They want the Wilfs to pay for it themselves. In a perfect world sure, but this is a business, not the University of Minnesota. The Vikes don’t get a stadium deal, they’re gone. Why would an owner pay the entire share of a stadium here when there’s another location just waiting for a team to commit and they’ll build a stadium for them. The Wilfs are already committed to paying the 3rd highest amount of any owner in the league to finance a stadium, yet the state keeps throwing more and more roadblocks up to getting this done. Its like they WANT the team to leave. Its funny how the state has no problem giving out welfare checks to people that do nothing but sit at home on their couch all day playing X-Box and watching Oprah, but they are so insanely opposed to putting public money into something that actually BRINGS IN REVENUE to the state. Twice before the state has pulled this crap with a pro sports team (Lakers, North Stars), and twice before the teams have left. They’re working on a 3-peat right now.

  15. axespray says: Sep 29, 2011 9:51 AM

    just move in with the lions and do what the jets/giants do…. until people in minnesota have money to spend on those purple chokers they cheer for.

    Can’t be that tough, i mean, they borrowed ford field when the humpty collapsed

  16. mj5150 says: Sep 29, 2011 9:51 AM

    I’m embarassed to live in Minnesota- it’s not so much that people are opposing the tax that bothers me. It’s the lack of alternate ideas- this debate has been going on for a decade and people that oppose it just say- make Wilf pay for it. EVEN though the state would profit from using it the other 355 days of the year when the Vikings don’t play

  17. stanmackley says: Sep 29, 2011 9:52 AM

    yikes, i doubt the public is going to let a tax increase through without a ton of blowback… not good news for the vikes.

  18. dolphinsrule65 says: Sep 29, 2011 9:52 AM

    Why do the taxpayers have to do anything?
    Miami,New England,NY Giants/Jets all built theirs with no tax payer handouts. So why can not the Vikings do it on there own, if they truly want to stay?

  19. glac1 says: Sep 29, 2011 9:53 AM

    It’s a done deal. The queens are headed to LA….

  20. deconjonesbitchslap says: Sep 29, 2011 9:56 AM

    good riddance. we don’t need to subsidize another multi million dollar stadium for another drastically failing sports team.

  21. nbcstinks says: Sep 29, 2011 9:57 AM

    Enough is enough. Put the stadium issue up for a vote. If the public does not want to help support a new stadium through a small tax, let the team walk. If they do, build a new stadium and enjoy your MN Vikings and NFL football for years to come. Simple.

  22. canadianvikingfaniii says: Sep 29, 2011 9:58 AM

    This is just depressing.. I have tried to make it to a home game in Minnesota once a year, it will be deeply saddening if they cannot come to terms on an agreement. I truly hope it isn’t theirs or my last last year. The Vikings won’t be the Vikings if they are away from Minnesota or the black and blue division.

  23. clintonportisheadd says: Sep 29, 2011 10:01 AM

    “Folks in Minnesota likely will realize, eventually, that they need to do what needs to be done to help keep the team from leaving….”

    —————————-
    No they won’t. They have already spoken loud and clear-no corporate welfare for billionaires. The solution to this issue is very simple. Wilf owns the team. He makes the profits. He pays 100% for his stadium. End of story.

    If Wilf thinks he can use extortion (which is what “I’ll move my team if you don’t give me what I want”) to get what he wants he is crazy.

    The voters in Minn have looked at the taxpayer funded white elephants in Seattle and New Jersey and decided they want no part of this scheme/scam.

  24. scudbot says: Sep 29, 2011 10:04 AM

    Tough nut to crack in a bad economy when ownership’s decisions have turned the team into an embarrassment.

  25. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Sep 29, 2011 10:05 AM

    You can’t make it up, there would probably be more support for building a new arena for their WNBA franchise (Go Lynx!).

  26. gdeli says: Sep 29, 2011 10:06 AM

    The Vikings want a plan without a public vote on the issue. WITHOUT a public vote. Hennepin county gave us a twins stadium I do not even use but have to pay for. There wasn’t a public vote on that was there? The vikes are just pretenders until they win the superbowl. I say they because I wasn’t responsible for 5 turnovers in the nfc championship game. That said I am not a packer fan. It is what it is here, 50 years of frustration. They paid farve 16 mil+ and they get a sexting scandal. They lost to the chargers by 7…the lowly chiefs only lost by 3. Are the chiefs juiced to not go 0-4. Are the vikes ready? or is the defense and musgrave’s offense not gonna be there? Mcnabb throws so many dirtballs, doesn’t help. No offense to jared and robison who did great. The citizens HAVE to be able to vote, this is a democracy. If we lose them we lose them.

  27. bigdogsolec says: Sep 29, 2011 10:07 AM

    why a vote, the twins didn’t need one, the wild didn’t need one, WHY SHOULD THE VIKINGS NEED ONE? plus like your really gonna notice the increase anyways. AND in the long haul its gonna cost WAY MORE in the future to try and bring a new team back to MN,and building a new stadium then , than it is right now.

  28. johnsticle says: Sep 29, 2011 10:09 AM

    I’ve already given up hope… I’m just enjoying what’s left of my Minnesota Vikings. Minnesotans are too cheap to let a stadium be built. They’ll hate the idea at first then LOVE it when it’s done… just like Target Field, the Xcel Energy Center and Target Center.

  29. tombradysponytail says: Sep 29, 2011 10:14 AM

    kernelreefer says:
    Sep 29, 2011 9:49 AM
    Of course, most people just cling on to the “subsidies for billionaires” argument without realizing that Wild would not likely own the leasing rights, even as he puts up 400 billion dollars of his own money.

    ______

    Zygi is putting up $400 BILLION of his own money? Nice, you guys can use $1 BILLION of that for the fancy retractable roof and use the other $399 BILLION to fix all the potholes on my in-laws streets.

  30. supser44 says: Sep 29, 2011 10:14 AM

    Here’s hoping the Vikes go to LA and we can all get on with our lives! SOOOO sick of hearing about LA this LA that. Am I missing something? There must be a reason LA keeps losing teams. So why the huge push to give them another one? Wasn’t LA the 2nd largest TV market last time they lost a team? They couldn’t hang on to teams in the 80s and 90s while $$$ was flowing …. so lets move a team or two there now in the worst economy in 60 years?

  31. fwippel says: Sep 29, 2011 10:18 AM

    If a deal does not get done this year, the Vikings are as good as gone. I’m sorry, but the Wilf family has done everything that could have been expected of them to try to cooperate with the state of Minnesota. If the state (and its citizens)let the Vikings leave, they’ll be whining about it as soon as the move is made, blaming Zygi for abandoning the Twin Cities area.

    Well, Minnesota, you can’t have it both ways. If you want an NFL team, you’re going to have to build a new stadium. It’s going to be a whole lot cheaper to do that now (with help from the Wilfs) than to do it entirely on your own after the Vikings leave, and you’re left trying to lure an existing franchise back to your state.

    If the Vikings leave, Minnesota can kiss the NFL good-bye for a VERY long time, and all the economic benefits that come with it.

    Cleveland, Baltimore, Houston and St. Louis all took the same stance the Twin Cities are taking today. All thought things would be fine if the team left, and all were wrong. All built new stadiums (publicly financed) to lure another NFL back to their city.

  32. minnysoda says: Sep 29, 2011 10:22 AM

    Here’s hoping they realize this before it’s too late to keep the Vikings from leaving.

    Or not

    I hear people here always say how rotten the Packers are how crappy Lambeau is BUT Green Bay (Brown County) voted on if Lambeau was renovated or not.

    But in Minnesota this isn’t an option? YOU WILL PAY FOR A NEW STADIUM TAXPAYERS. How nice for Ziggy

    There is always talk of how great the Twin Cities are how there is so much to do. Let’s see if the people think that way LET THEM BE HEARD THROUGH VOTING. Let’s see if this “football” team that has to spend millions of dollars to bring in bad or reckless QB’s that has to give discounts to sell out games deserves to take our money without asking. Why do they have that right?

  33. kmart0319 says: Sep 29, 2011 10:29 AM

    Anyone looking for how a city can get debacled for a stadium needs to look no further than Cincinnatti.

  34. vikes8480 says: Sep 29, 2011 10:29 AM

    I’ve been a Vikes fan my entire life and just the thought of them moving used to worry the hell out of me. At this point, I don’t care if they move to LA. Go for it. Obviously the majority of the people and politicians in MN would rather have lame baseball than NFL football. Really a half a cent sales tax in one county, cheapos. They pushed the Twins stadium through without a referendum but it’s different for the Vikes? Oh well, good riddance to the state of MN. I’ll follow them wherever they move and I hope they win a SB there so MN can eat it.

  35. dammitjim30 says: Sep 29, 2011 10:31 AM

    A great idea I’ve heard on sports talk here is a racino, or casino that could be built in downtown in Minneapolis. That could generate millions of dollars for the stadium and wouldn’t involve any new taxes. It’s been used to fund other stadiums in other cities. It’s a simple and effective idea, but nothing can be “simply” done here in Minnesota. It’s really sad. I’m a huge Packer fan from Wisconsin, but losing that rivalry because the state of Minnesota can’t get anything done would really suck.

  36. scudbot says: Sep 29, 2011 10:31 AM

    15th largest metro and a shortage of common sense. Extend the lease and get some people who know how to run a successful NFL franchise that can win.

  37. btg1911 says: Sep 29, 2011 10:34 AM

    Honestly, anyone who ties their stadium support or opposition to recent results on the field (or lack thereof) could not possibly be more short-sighted.

  38. grilledjesus says: Sep 29, 2011 10:35 AM

    dolphinsrule65 says:
    Sep 29, 2011 9:52 AM
    Why do the taxpayers have to do anything?
    Miami,New England,NY Giants/Jets all built theirs with no tax payer handouts. So why can not the Vikings do it on there own, if they truly want to stay?
    ———————————————–
    That’s not entirely true, at least the NE part. The state payed 100′s of millions of dollars to improve the infrastructure around the new stadium. There’s new beautiful highways going into Krafts stadium, as well as his shopping center, hotel, restaraunts, and movie theatre. Go a few miles down the street and the roads are typical crappy MA roads.
    So to say the people of MA didn’t give a handout would be incorrect.

  39. kmart0319 says: Sep 29, 2011 10:36 AM

    Fwippel says: Cleveland, Baltimore, Houston and St. Louis all took the same stance the Twin Cities are taking today. All thought things would be fine if the team left, and all were wrong. All built new stadiums (publicly financed) to lure another NFL back to their city.

    Wrong. Art Modell left because he was given a sweetheart deal of a new stadium with nothing from his own pocket, he got all gate receipts, luxury boxes, parking and concessions but ended up having to sell the team anyway. Cleveland had it on the ballot that November of 95 to build the new stadium before it was discovered that he was moving. And it passed anyway AFTER it was discovered he made the deal with Bmore

  40. btg1911 says: Sep 29, 2011 10:37 AM

    “Zygi is putting up $400 BILLION of his own money? Nice, you guys can use $1 BILLION of that for the fancy retractable roof and use the other $399 BILLION to fix all the potholes on my in-laws streets”

    You do know the difference between “billion” and “million” right???

  41. skimbell says: Sep 29, 2011 10:41 AM

    “tombradysponytail says:
    Sep 29, 2011 10:14 AM
    kernelreefer says:…
    Zygi is putting up $400 BILLION of his own money? Nice, you guys can use $1 BILLION of that for the fancy retractable roof and use the other $399 BILLION to fix all the potholes on my in-laws streets.”

    I think that you mighta “B’d” when you wanted to “M”.

  42. keeley2 says: Sep 29, 2011 10:45 AM

    Interesting side issue here – what happens after this year? The team needs to play somewhere – what are the options?
    Whether a deal is done or not, can they get a lease extension? My guess is that the Metrodome will try and stick it to the Vikings since all we’ve heard from the team is how they refuse to extend the lease at the Metrodome since it is so inadequate.
    If a deal is done, can they play at TCF Bank Stadium? With 2/3 capacity of the Metrodome, more than a few season ticket holders will be left out if that is the case.
    If no deal is done, move to LA? No new stadium is ready there either – play at the Coliseum? Not sure if that’s even feasible.
    Hoping people consider the consequences before they cast their vote.

  43. rajbais says: Sep 29, 2011 10:45 AM

    You what bothers me about the L.A. deal?

    Everyone is ALWAYS stating the Chargers even though they have an attorney named Mark Fabiani who is doing the best he can for them to not leave San Diego!!! To not shine a light on him as a “Jeffrey Kessler-like” hindrance is wrong on the media’s part!!!

    Zygi Wilf is a Jersey guy who doesn’t have that great of allegiance to Minnesota and he’s been spotted with the AEG people.

    Shouldn’t this be enough evidence to show why the Vikes could leave for L.A.??? If not, can all the “insiders” stop dismissing this possibility by giving a blatantly vague argument such as “the NFL wants them to stay in Minnesota” in order to give us NFL fans a Disney-like ending???

  44. drbob117 says: Sep 29, 2011 10:46 AM

    I was rooting for Minnesota to keep it’s team, but the more I read, the more that I can’t make the case that they deserve to keep it. If I’m Zygi, I give them one more month to get it through the legislature without a public vote, then I move the deal to LA, effective the day after the regular season ends. Minnesota had their chance, they blew it. You can’t blanme Zygi, he did everything he could to keep them in Minneapolis, they just kept doing things like adding road work that the Vikings didn’t ask for to the cost of the package and making it impossible to stay. Of course, Minny is too dumb to realize that before the NFL ever comes back, they’ll have to build that stadium anyway, at much greater cost to the taxpayers.

  45. yizudien says: Sep 29, 2011 10:48 AM

    Minnesota is in the middle of a budget battle at the state level. People what us to fund a stadium on top of that?

    For what again? Minnesota has bigger problems than football. The twins stadium gets used roughly 81 times a year, the vikings stadium will get used 8 times a year. Even doing the math on what we make in taxes and revenue it will take over 10 years to start seeing a profit on the stadium, which by then they will want a new one (Using average team salary and the performance taxes in minnesota, along with conservative estimates for beer/merchandise sales).

    I would not support a new stadium.

  46. cougar5999 says: Sep 29, 2011 10:49 AM

    I

  47. cougar5999 says: Sep 29, 2011 10:52 AM

    I am a home owner in Blue Earth county where Vikings hold training camp and would gladly vote for half cent sale tax increase to help pay for the new stadium

  48. minnysoda says: Sep 29, 2011 10:58 AM

    cardiovascularendurance says:
    Sep 29, 2011 9:46 AM
    Its time to end public funding of sports stadiums. The NFL brings in plenty of money. They can afford a stadium in MN, where there are sure to be folks in seats.

    Wrong The Vikes had to give out discounts to fill the seats to games against two up and coming teams Tampa and a division rival Detroit. No the NFL should not fund it The NFL contributed what amounted to squat in Green Bay for their stadium

    Why should Minnesota get anything? Which has a more storied franchise? Which has a sold out stadium? Which team is actually adding seats to fill the demands of their rabid fan base and not charging the citizens of their city?
    Let the people say if they want to be forced to pay for a substandard product

    Majority rules supposedly in this country LET THE PEOPLE DO THE DECIDING NOT ZIGGY AND HIS CRONIES

  49. sknut says: Sep 29, 2011 11:07 AM

    Why should the public help a private business? Are there benefits for the Vikings to be here, yes there are do I want them to stay yes. But the NFL is a 9-10 billion dollar business and the league only cares about money and at some point cities are going to say no and part of me is fine with this. Lets not pretend this is so important as to hurt other things for the state.

    The simple answer is user fees on merchandise, a racino and items that the public has a choice to partake in or not. Unfortunately some stupid politicians don’t seem to understand this.

  50. jsviking says: Sep 29, 2011 11:08 AM

    Hey Ammarrahhii

    Zygi Wilf has said he will put up 500 MILLION of his own money towards a new stadium. Far and away more than any other owner ever has other than Jerry Jones who owns Dallas a franchise worth probably 2 1/2 times more than the Vikings and he built his own stadium.
    The Vikings rank dead last in the NFL as far as revenue from playing in the Humpty Dome.

  51. jimmysee says: Sep 29, 2011 11:08 AM

    I still believe the State of Wisconsin could come to the aid of the Vikings — build the stadium in Eau Claire — a short drive from the twin cities.

    The Vikings have a lot of fans in northwest Wisconsin (amazingly!)

    Then the Badger State would have two NFL franchises – one good and one bad :-)

    If the NY Jets and the NY Giants can play in NJ — the MN Vikings can play in WI.

  52. iamthorny says: Sep 29, 2011 11:14 AM

    The NFL shouldn’t care if the Vikings leave Minnesota, as it’s basically Packers country anyway.

    Ratings wise, the NFL will lose nothing and maybe even gain as more people will just be watching the Packers play instead of being forced to watch the inept Vikings.

    It’ll be like Green bay’s TV market is spread out over a 5 state area.

    America’s team can fill the Viking void just fine…

  53. mikemccarthyisfat says: Sep 29, 2011 11:15 AM

    The Vikings are diseased and have a history of chokes and fails. Ship em of to die and lets start fresh and new!!

  54. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Sep 29, 2011 11:19 AM

    @btg1911; @ skimbell

    If you’re going to be trolls, can you at least be competent trolls? Sheesh.

  55. knew8411 says: Sep 29, 2011 11:21 AM

    Its funny how this stuff is going. The Uof M and Twins get stadiums w/o public input, and the Vikings dont. Wonder whos re-election contributions were bigger huh.
    Seems like the taxpayers in MN aren’t really listening…what’s not to understand about the job creation, and increased tax revenue that a project like this would bring in (super bowl, NCAA final 4 ect.)
    Can someone tell me more about the entry on Dailynorseman.com that I read earlier this week. The entry reported that Mr. Wilf had found a partner to grant staium naming rights to, that had agreed to contribute 40% to the cost of a retractible roof stadium, so that no public monies would be needed.

  56. jefferee101 says: Sep 29, 2011 11:23 AM

    “Minnesotans are too cheap to let a stadium be built. They’ll hate the idea at first then LOVE it when it’s done… just like Target Field, the Xcel Energy Center and Target Center.”

    ———————————————————

    Am I the only one that can see the stupidity in this statement?

    Target Field, Xcel Energy Center, and TCF Bank Stadium have all been built within the last 11 years. At a grand total of approximately $660 million dollars to the taxpayers. And after which, the taxpayers have to pay higher ticket prices, concessions, and parking to go see their investment. Let’s not forget increasing property taxes and gas prices. And let’s throw in a climbing unemployment rates at alarming levels…and you call Minnesotans cheap? Ah! What the hell, tack on another 400 millions to the taxpayers burden without letting them have a say in it. Makes perfect sense. Where do you people come from?

  57. vikingdoode says: Sep 29, 2011 11:26 AM

    We in Minnesota have the biggest candy assed politicians afraid to vote on it “What we elected them to do” Sorry but the masses are not educated enough what are the pros and cons of having this in our state. All the Masses see a rich owner getting government subsides. Gutless Republicans and Demarcates…GUTLESS!

    Guess I go back to root for Minnesota Kicks….crap gone

    Go Hawkeyes!

  58. easyeintennessee says: Sep 29, 2011 11:27 AM

    LA doesnt deserve a franchise. If want a team, create your own. Stop trying to take someone elses. They’ve had how many teams that have come and gone? I don’t care how big of a city it is. If you’ve run off 2 NFL teams in 30 years, then you dont deserve a 3rd. The small markets that have been supporting their teams for decades dont deserve to get screwed because LA thinks its ready for another team again (..again).

  59. ruvelligwebuike says: Sep 29, 2011 11:28 AM

    Why would anyone in Minnesota care? They are 0-3. Now is the annual, “There is so many parks, art, theatres…we don’t have to care about football like those hicks in Wisconsin.” Like these things exist nowhere outside of Minneapolis.

    But you’re painting your faces and wearing blonde wigs when the Vikes are 3-0. Viking fans have no one to blame but themselves. They are the most pathetic, fair-weather, bandwagon frontrunners in all of competitive sport.

    I’ll feel bad for the diehards, and I’ll really miss the Packer rivalry. But anyone that’s spent more than a week in Minnesota knows that these are not people that deserve competitive sport.

  60. glac1 says: Sep 29, 2011 11:29 AM

    I don’t see anything wrong with public funding for a stadium….. but without a vote of the people?? NO WAY! Who does Ziggy think he is? No vote..No stadium. His arrogance is astonishing.

  61. jebdamone says: Sep 29, 2011 11:29 AM

    i hate minnesotans today. why did i move back to this state two months ago?

  62. The Phantom Stranger says: Sep 29, 2011 11:30 AM

    I’m sure Zygi would be happy to pay for the whole stadium and collect all the revenue if he thought it was a good business deal, but it isn’t. He doesn’t have the money. People think that because you have an NFL team you can afford to buy anything. It doesn’t work that way. A billion dollars is a lot of money to anybody except a select handful of people. He would have to borrow so much money he would be making gigantic debt payments for years. The revenue wouldn’t offset that. Besides, he could move the team to LA and get a free stadium. He didn’t get to be rich by being stupid.

  63. The Phantom Stranger says: Sep 29, 2011 11:35 AM

    I can understand why Ramsey County residents don’t want to pay an extra tax that the rest of the state doesn’t have to pay because most of them aren’t benefiting from the stadium. The largest percentage of Ramsey County residents are in St. Paul but the stadium is in Arden Hills (population 9,813). Arden Hills benefits from the stadium, not Ramsey County. As much as I’d love to see it done, I don’t think it can work this way. Maybe the Minneapolis power brokers who want the stadium to stay downtown can figure out a way to get enough funding as a local partner, but I haven’t heard any bright ideas from them.

  64. phantomthebusybody says: Sep 29, 2011 11:37 AM

    The Phantom Stranger says:
    Sep 29, 2011 11:30 AM
    I’m sure Zygi would be happy to pay for the whole stadium and collect all the revenue if he thought it was a good business deal, but it isn’t. He doesn’t have the money. People think that because you have an NFL team you can afford to buy anything. It doesn’t work that way. A billion dollars is a lot of money to anybody except a select handful of people. He would have to borrow so much money he would be making gigantic debt payments for years. The revenue wouldn’t offset that. Besides, he could move the team to LA and get a free stadium. He didn’t get to be rich by being stupid.

    ________

    As much as it pains me to say, these are all excellent points.

    Goodbye, vikes.

    By the way, is it just me or are you spelling your name differently for some reason?

  65. knew8411 says: Sep 29, 2011 11:42 AM

    I live out of state, but do on occassion go to Viking games. I am sure I am not the only one. I know I spend a considerable amount of money, when I go….I’d say in the neighborhood of $1000.00 for a 2 day trip. All in MN. It would be unfortunate, when the powers that be figure out that they need to generate that money elsewhere, and the people of the state wind up paying higher taxes anyway.
    I wrote letters to the Govenor, Senate Majority Leader, Dept of Tourism telling them what they should already know….they will lose money if they dont find a solution to this issue, and keep this team in MN.

  66. jjordan06 says: Sep 29, 2011 11:43 AM

    Minnesota is in the middle of a budget battle at the state level. People what us to fund a stadium on top of that?

    For what again? Minnesota has bigger problems than football. The twins stadium gets used roughly 81 times a year, the vikings stadium will get used 8 times a year. Even doing the math on what we make in taxes and revenue it will take over 10 years to start seeing a profit on the stadium, which by then they will want a new one (Using average team salary and the performance taxes in minnesota, along with conservative estimates for beer/merchandise sales).

    I would not support a new stadium.
    —————————————-

    If you think the stadium will only be used 8 times a year you have no idead what the stadium consists of. Therefore, you should not be posting your stupid remarks.

  67. bwerickson82 says: Sep 29, 2011 11:50 AM

    Minnesota is in the middle of a budget battle at the state level. People what us to fund a stadium on top of that?

    For what again? Minnesota has bigger problems than football. The twins stadium gets used roughly 81 times a year, the vikings stadium will get used 8 times a year. Even doing the math on what we make in taxes and revenue it will take over 10 years to start seeing a profit on the stadium, which by then they will want a new one (Using average team salary and the performance taxes in minnesota, along with conservative estimates for beer/merchandise sales).

    I would not support a new stadium.
    ——————————————–
    Just so you know, building a new Vikings stadium with a retractable roof would be used all year round. Heck the metrodome was being used everyday besides when the Twins and Vikings were playing there. SO much money would come in from building a new stadium.

  68. dogsweat1 says: Sep 29, 2011 11:53 AM

    Los Angeles Vikings will be playing at the Rose Bowl in 2012.

    One down.

    Who will be the AFC team to move to Los Angeles?

  69. blaz0037 says: Sep 29, 2011 11:55 AM

    MN native here. MN has voted YES to every tax increased proposed on the ballot for as long as I can remember. The last one was for “wildlife/art”. On the ballot, it stated very clearly that this would be a .25% increase in sales tax for a minimum of 25 years. And it passed. Easily.

    And now we take a stand when it comes to the Vikes. I am embarrassed to call myself a Minnesotan.

  70. technovike says: Sep 29, 2011 11:55 AM

    ok, fine, Minnesotans dont want a stadium built from public money. either the vikings move somewhere where they will use public funds or….

    Ziggy builds an open air stadium.

    Let the people that didnt want to support the stadium sit there in the cold and bitch about it. Ziggy wants an open air stadium, i bet for a little more of his own money a pretty decent open air stadium could be built.

    Ziggy can bring in a MLS team, make some more money and enjoy the summer, while the few Minnesotans that were anti public money towards a stadium end up having to travel to the metrodome for their indoor winter activities and spend hours in traffic and hope the dome doesnt collapse again.

    The naysayers can drive by the stadium bitching that it isnt being used in the winter even though its their own damn fault.

    Open air stadium, build it! It only makes sense to have Vikings play in the snow damnit. if you build it they will come.

  71. tombradysponytail says: Sep 29, 2011 12:01 PM

    jjordan06 says:
    Sep 29, 2011 11:43 AM
    Minnesota is in the middle of a budget battle at the state level. People what us to fund a stadium on top of that?

    For what again? Minnesota has bigger problems than football. The twins stadium gets used roughly 81 times a year, the vikings stadium will get used 8 times a year. Even doing the math on what we make in taxes and revenue it will take over 10 years to start seeing a profit on the stadium, which by then they will want a new one (Using average team salary and the performance taxes in minnesota, along with conservative estimates for beer/merchandise sales).

    I would not support a new stadium.
    —————————————-

    If you think the stadium will only be used 8 times a year you have no idead what the stadium consists of. Therefore, you should not be posting your stupid remarks.
    _______________

    Yeah, that’s right. What about all of their playoff appea…. oh wait…..nevermind

  72. deadmanwalking47 says: Sep 29, 2011 12:03 PM

    i think the vikes fans would rather build them a new stadium than see them fly to LA for good! it does’nt matter if they are gonna have to pay higher taxes,that will probably happen sooner than later anyhow!

  73. The Phantom Stranger says: Sep 29, 2011 12:06 PM

    The easiest way to fund the stadium would be a state-wide sales tax increase. If a county population of 508,000 can raise $350 million with a half-cent sales tax increase, a state of 5.3 million should be able to raise the same amount with a 0.05-cent sales tax increase. That would change the state sales tax from 6.5% to 6.55%, or an extra nickel for every $100 you spend.

    Or a racino would be great too.

  74. vikes34 says: Sep 29, 2011 12:09 PM

    I am very frustrated with the stadium debate and how out of touch people seem to be right now in Minnesota. The reality is that there is a number, greater than $0, probably less than $1Billion, where it makes sense for the state to contribute to a stadium. But this point has not been raised or discussed in any of the columns or newspapers I read, why?

    Take for example that at 8% State Income Tax Rates, the Vikes payroll of $120M is worth approximately $10M/year for the state. Factor in that a lease might be 30 years and we know that NFL payrolls are increasing faster than inflation, that means losing the Vikes will cost the state more than $300M in Tax Revenue over the course of the lease.

    Even is the state kicks in $250M, it is still a $50M gain for the state! The argument I keep reading about “Billionaires” paying for their own playgrounds is ridiculous and short-sighted at best, there is tax money – and a lot of it – that will be lost if the Vikes move.

    I have only taken into account the State Income taxes on the players. There is so much more money in play to be taxed:
    - Income tax from workers building stadium
    - Sales tax on concessions
    - Taxes on parking revenue
    - Income tax on viking employees
    - Income tax on stadium employees


    On and on and on.

  75. dolphincritic says: Sep 29, 2011 12:11 PM

    I have to disagree with anyone who thinks that there is a compelling reason for building a new stadium for the Vikings. It would make sense to create a government bond, purchased solely by the NFL. It would give them a tax free shelter while generating property and sales tax for government. The proceeds from the stadium could be used to guarantee the bond.

    Maybe the county could assist with the acquisition of the land and tack on some bond debt in exchange!

    I would forget a out LA. They are broke and haven’t supported two NFL franchises!

  76. dstep24 says: Sep 29, 2011 12:12 PM

    I knew I got out of there in time.

    I’m just not an L.A. guy.

    Happy to come out to Cali when the team gets settled, and run a catching clinic.

    Let me know.

    -Sidney

    #littlepercyhasaheadache

  77. jm91rs says: Sep 29, 2011 12:17 PM

    Trust me Vikings fans, Let them go. I can read the argument about income taxes from the players helping the state, but in this economy it doesnt make sense. Unless the state of Minnesota or the counties and cities surrounding are the only ones in the country that aren’t upside down in dept it doesnt work.

    Here in Cincinnati the County is paying for the stadium. Thanks to a deal negotiated by the Bengals and a county commissioner that has now become a Bengals employee, the county is millions of dollars upside down EVERY YEAR. We lay off Sheriffs deputies and can’t afford a new jail, all so that we can have an NFL team. There is absolutely no doubt that if we could do this over the stadium proposal never would have passed and this team would have been long gone (saving me and thousands of other fans years of heartache).

    Of course you guys have a better following and a better team than we’ll ever have here, but to spend so much money based on projected income will put you in the same boat we are in here. It’s not worth it to have a football game to watch live 10 times a year.

  78. vadog says: Sep 29, 2011 12:17 PM

    @knew8411, I agree 100%!!

    Without the Vikings, I have NO REASON to go to Minnesota and spend my tourist dollars. NONE!!

    I don’t care about the beauty of the lakes, or the Mall of America…couldn’t care less about the Twins, the Wild, the Timberwolves or the Gophers.

    Minnesota without the Vikings should just be given to Canada!!!! The rest of the country will replace your star on the flag with Puerto Rico!

  79. The Phantom Stranger says: Sep 29, 2011 12:18 PM

    Maybe after we lose the team and have to build a new stadium to attract the Jaguars, Zygi will still give us the $400 million.

  80. The Phantom Stranger says: Sep 29, 2011 12:20 PM

    phantomthebusybody says:
    Sep 29, 2011 11:37 AM
    By the way, is it just me or are you spelling your name differently for some reason?
    _____________

    Just added spaces and capital letters, not that it’s any of your business.

  81. skolvikesskol says: Sep 29, 2011 12:20 PM

    1. the state does not make much from sports, that has been proven repeatedly by the auditors.

    2. The vikes make millions from the stadium, even when they r nit using it, again proven by the auditors.

    3. Mn is in constant budget crisis and our infrastructure and schools r suffering… Remember 35w collapsed?!

    4. The nfl and the wilfs have enough money to do it themselves.

    5. Y wld any private company want to share revenue with the state when a no risk venture like the nfl will make them so much $$$? Answer: they r looking for a handout.

    Most importantly… Id really like to by a new car. Maybe a bmw… I guess the state should pay half since all my driving will lead to me making more purchases like gas, food, clothes, furniture, auto parts and services, which are all taxed… Thus the state will not only get their $$$ back, but they will make $$$ over the long term right? So i guess when the state starts subsidising my hopes and dreams i will get behind the state funding the wilfs hopes and dreans…

  82. gdeli says: Sep 29, 2011 12:21 PM

    I know I said 50 years of frustration but I do not want to lose them. I feel sorry for AP, jimmy, shanks and percy this year. Have wilf pay more since he will gain 100-200 million in team value with a new stadium? And yes, that dang dump site way north will be cleaned up and a retail shopping development can be built. It moves that area forward and the roads can be upgraded too. The jobs will help. They are our vikings.

  83. bobnelsonjr says: Sep 29, 2011 12:30 PM

    The NFL should not have tried to force a team into Minnesota during its war with the AFL. Minnesota is still pretty much Packers territory as it was before the vikings. 40% of NFL fans in Minnesota are Packers fans.

    The NFL will make a lot more money by moving the viking franchise to LA.

    That ficticious billion dollar boondoggle stadium costs far more than the vikings bring in. 6% interest on the 650 million in public financing is nearly 40 million a year when the vikings in all forms of taxes brings in at most 20 million. When you add in the operation and maintenance costs the stadium is just not worth it.

    Stay at home for free and watch the best games on television. It will also save Minnesotans almost a billion dollars in interest payments.

    The NFL isn’t leaving Minnesota they are only going to broadcast better games in Minnesota.

  84. oldcracker says: Sep 29, 2011 12:32 PM

    If the Jags move to L.A., and the Vikes move to the City of Industry, how will the NFL align the respective divisions?

    Dallas in the NFC East???

  85. Little Earthquake says: Sep 29, 2011 12:34 PM

    In other words, Minnesotans aren’t stupid enough to give their money to a sports team. But Southern Californians are, even though their state is broke. Suckers.

  86. seytonmanning says: Sep 29, 2011 12:36 PM

    first off,the chargers fans and several other fans of teams are watching this intently right now.because the viking are the first team whos contract is expiring.

    if by miracle the viking stay in MN(yes i say miracle,after seeing how the government of MN is treating this.i cant see them staying),then the chargers are the next ones up to move(and the most rational one to be honest,if any team were to leave it should be one thats 2 hours away)

    second: all of these posters that say they will not support a new tax for a stadium will be the first ones bitching about what a scumbag the wilfs are for moving the team.no YOUR a scumbag.because you let 5 cents get in the way of keeping your team, and you made your economy WORSE by letting them go.and in the end because you made your economy worse you know what the MN government is going to do to you?RAISE YOUR TAXES.

    third: all the tax tards who are saying “let them go,then we will get another team like the browns and houston did in 3 years”.WRONG.the nfl is NOT on your side on this. they are just as pissed about MN not building a stadium as the fans are.and if the vikes leave the nfl is going to punish the state of MN for the incompetence.

    when an expansion comes up MN wont even be in the running and the nfl is going to take great pleasure pointing out that you couldnt keep the vikes in town and lost 3 professional teams in MN.

    if the vikes leave,i hope all the posters above that dont want to pay the tax and the other minnesotans that are responsible get the sweet sweet cancer they derserve.

  87. rugdog100 says: Sep 29, 2011 12:36 PM

    Mike,

    Please remember that Rochelle Olson is totally anti-stadium and everything she writes is about public opposition (even if they’re in the minority), she’s never focused on proponents of a stadium or the revenue it would generate for the State and Ramsey County. It’s an investment, not building a stadium for a billionaire. When will people realize that?

    A perfect case study would be the Metrodome, which was also publicly financed and had the same opposition. That investment paid for itself and then was a revenue generator for the State. Why do opponents think LA is building a stadium WITHOUT even having a team yet? Because it’s a Win-Win situation for everybody. Only the simple-minded can’t see the benefit that everyone would receive from this.

  88. wmthomas3 says: Sep 29, 2011 12:40 PM

    Some people here don’t understand that its not the teaparty’s issue for people not wanting to be taxed more. If the Obama administration would stop overspending there might be some money left over for the taxpayers to spend. People are tired of paying for government waste and artificially high cost union projects.
    The NFL has billions of dollars, the last CBA fight was over 3 billion. It’s about time they go back to Leaguethink and let the NFL pay for the venues that enables it to make billions of dollars.

  89. isphet71 says: Sep 29, 2011 12:43 PM

    SKOL.A.

  90. theytukrjobs says: Sep 29, 2011 12:44 PM

    “dozens” of people show up to oppose it. That shouldn’t matter.

    The opposition is retarded on this. Don’t get me wrong, if you want the Vikings out of Minnesota because you hate that states generally provide funding for mulitpurpose stadiums then fine. State your opinion. Say “I want the Vikings gone because I don’t want to pay a penny for them”.

    But it irritates me that these people instead just say “we’re in a recession” or “why give billionaires money when they can pay the whole stadium themselves?”.

    Look without state money the team is gone. If that is what you want then say it. But don’t sit there arguing for a circumstance (Zygi pays 100%) that simply isn’t happening.

    The other thing that is annoying is all this “we should be allowed to vote” BS. We vote for politicians to handle multitudes of complex issues in our best interest. Taking one small topic out of the greater issues to vote on it in a vacuum is so f’ing retarded. To take this hyper-complex issue and reduce it down to a one sentence question that is phrased by the opposition to the Vikings being in Minnesota is so incredibly retarded that I have a hard time even wrapping my head around it.

    Dozens of idiots giving 2 minute speeches shouldn’t even be a story.

  91. voicefreason says: Sep 29, 2011 12:48 PM

    If anyone saw the group of people opposing it then you know all they did was bus a group of senior citizens from the old folks home to the meeting. Seriously gramps, more money was spent in gas driving you there than the 1/2 cent increase. Everyone who wasn’t there basically is for the stadium. Build it.

  92. randallcobb says: Sep 29, 2011 12:50 PM

    The Rams should be forced to move back to LA. LA’s legacy of failure as a NFL market is legendary. Team poaching in the NFL has to stop. That’s screwing your fan base worse than any lockout ever would. The Vikes belong in the NFC North come hell or highwater. And why can’t the Metrodome site be renovated? Seems to me that’s where the revenue haul would be. Downtown Minneapolis. Do people want to travel to some old Army ammo dump for other events?? Get your act together people.

  93. isphet71 says: Sep 29, 2011 12:53 PM

    If the Vikings move to L.A. I am pretty sure they will go to the NFC West and the St Louis Rams would go to the NFC North.

    New NFC West:Arizona, Seattle, San Fran, L.A.

    New NFC North/Central: Green Bay, Chicago, Detroit, St Louis

    Right now, Arizona, Seattle, San Fran, St. Louis feels like a bad episode of Sesame Street. “One of these things… is not like the others!”

  94. das14 says: Sep 29, 2011 12:59 PM

    I’m a big Vikes fan and would hate to see them leave. I don’t see any other option at this point but I can see the silver lining for me. I’ll cancel my cable,newpapers and probably never go to a bar again so maybe I”ll buy a new boat or new shotgun and hunt & fish more.

  95. warvette says: Sep 29, 2011 1:14 PM

    why don’t they fund the new stadium with a bakesale, or a carwash? or sell microwave popcorn door to door? that’s how we went on our 8th grade class trip.

  96. vikefan says: Sep 29, 2011 1:17 PM

    The state legislature PROMISED the VIkings to find a local partner & a deal would get done, the Vikings did, so far the legislature has renigged on EVERY promise they made with the Vikings, so for me next election, out with all for a new start

    Mr. Wilf continues to up the ani to state of MN in every possible way to get it done from upping their cost portion to increasing roster with better players and $ even though dead last in league revenue for last 3 straight years.(keep i mind Vikings had cheapest owner in entire NFL in McCombs preveiously to Wilf so Wilfs have had an uphill battle all the way

    Legislature INSISTS on roof to make it usable year round, this adds addional 150-200 mil WIilfs are WILLING TO PAY but they will not recieve a penny back for!!

    IF u wanna bitch bout unemployment & taxes now, wait till restaurants, hotels, mom & pop shops everywhere, player & staff, office staff salaries, opponents staff & players salaries (yes when VIkings play in state, visitors have to pay MN taxes!!) are all gone, wait till u see a budget deficit then!!! Truly double trouble cause not only will you willingly piss away several hundred brand new jobs, you will also lose what we currently already have.

    ……and this dumb ass state, legislature & citizens are stupid & nieve to let them go, my family is gone to, no reason to spend my hard earned money somewhere no one cares bout what i think when im paying for twins, gophers, theatre, museums, that never saw a refferendum.

    Simply put, the state cant have its cake and eat it too…..every legislature has told Vikings to find a local partner and have a roof to make it mulit functional. Not a single legislative session in last 10 years has had guts to deal with the issue and now want to pawn the problem off on a local govt enitity which legislature said is a must have for state approval. No one single body from govt side has every had guts to take this issue on and they will probably be gone cause of everyones complete narrowmindedness on the WHOLE issue. I would gladly send Ramsey CO $500 to take care of first 1000 transactions or whatever it takes to get this thing moving. The whole situations is complete narrowmindedness & nieve. We will lose them and state will lose me.

    I personally do not care bout any other sports and certainly would NEVER support another NFL organization. its all or nothing for me on this one & Ramsey co residents & state need to wake up and see it the same way or it will be over for a very long time!!

  97. wesvikes17 says: Sep 29, 2011 1:18 PM

    I live in north dakota so I’m a huge vikings fan! Here in north dakota we would not only love to have the vikings but it wouldn’t be a problem to afford them. You minnesotans that don’t wanna pay for the stadium are going to regret that in the long run. Also for the people that say wilf can just pay for it then the state shouldn’t benefit from it at all and see how they like that. And I hope they go out of the state for contractors to build it so it cheaper. Go non union to build it so it doesn’t. Create jobs for minnesotans. If wilf does have to build it himself he should come to north dakota and get electricans, plumbers, painters and everything else. If minnesota won’t help you then don’t help them!

  98. nflfan1326 says: Sep 29, 2011 1:31 PM

    Vikings will be playing in Minnesota in 2012 no matter what happens. Playing in the MetroDome is much better than playing in those dumps in LA. LA Coliseum is in the hood and Rose Bowl is just a notch above.

    California is a terrible state to do business in. That’s why Gov Brown had to circumvent all of those environmental regulations that would have absolutely taken 5-6 years to build that thing. Still, it would take a long time. If they started today, they couldn’t get ready at least until 2014 season. Might as well bide time in a market where at least people will show up to games and see what happens.

    I hate teams moving around. They should add an expansion team in LA instead of relocating one.

  99. technovike says: Sep 29, 2011 1:36 PM

    how about the property tax the county will collect alone?

    and the money spent by players to charities and businesses around the area, the property tax of their homes (quite a bit more than my home for sure). sponsors spending their money, taxes on merchandise ….
    jobs during and after construction (maintenance and repairs) what better way to help the state get out of a recession than put 1000 people to work

    theres so much money that will be lost. if you think the state of Minnesota is going to be better without the vikings you need psychological help

    Minnesota home of the Mall of America the Largest, 2nd Largest, soon to be Irrelevant Mall of America, leaving Minnesota Proud home of the….uh whats in minnesota?

  100. dogsweat1 says: Sep 29, 2011 1:42 PM

    If the Jags move to L.A., and the Vikes move to the City of Industry, how will the NFL align the respective divisions?

    Dallas in the NFC East???

    ***************************************

    NFC West

    Los Angeles Vikings

    San Francisco 49ers

    Arizona Cardinals

    Seattle Seahawks

    NFC North

    Chicago Bears

    St Louis Rams

    Green Bay Packers

    Detriot Lions

    *************************

    AFC WEST

    Los Angeles Jaguars

    Denver Broncos

    San Diego Chargers

    Oakland Raiders

    AFC SOUTH

    Kansas City Chiefs

    Houston Texans

    Indianapolis Colts

    Tennessee Titans

    PS

    I doubt the Jags move to Los Angeles.

    The Raiders are the front runners!

  101. wesvikes17 says: Sep 29, 2011 1:46 PM

    For that idiot that said 40 percent of football fans in minnesota are packer fans you are a retard. Do you get out on sundays everyones got vikings jerseys or flags all over. Don’t post anymore if you are that reatrded.

  102. azvikefan says: Sep 29, 2011 2:18 PM

    Been a Vikings fan since 1963. If they move out of Minnesota everyone is invited to my house for a bonfire, as I will burn every piece of Viking gear I own. I hope the Wilf Bros. show up.

  103. swede700 says: Sep 29, 2011 2:20 PM

    People seem to forget that the contingent of negative nellies that show up to these types of events to voice their “opinion” have no children to take care of in their home or no responsibilities. When you look at the picture of the people that showed up, a good supermajority of them don’t represent the average fan or resident of the city.

  104. 4gone says: Sep 29, 2011 2:29 PM

    I am just shocked to read all of these comments. Die hard football (Viking) fans who read PFT are against building a stadium and keeping their team. Others have accepted they are leaving and given up.
    No offense Vikings fans, but if you don’t care about keeping your team, why should we??

  105. ruvelligwebuike says: Sep 29, 2011 2:52 PM

    “I am just shocked to read all of these comments. Die hard football (Viking) fans who read PFT are against building a stadium and keeping their team. Others have accepted they are leaving and given up.
    No offense Vikings fans, but if you don’t care about keeping your team, why should we??’
    ————————-

    It’s because they are 0-3. If they were 3-0, there would be purple pride everywhere. It’s just the way Minnesotans are, I guess. It takes a special kind of people to lose three pro sports teams in the modern era.

  106. vikefan says: Sep 29, 2011 4:01 PM

    the true irony in all of this is the place that has the most to lose has not stepped up and defended its commuity at all, EVER during this entire time. Eden Prarie is ground zero for the Vikings organization (practice facility, offices, im sure most players & staffs homes) & yet their community leaders nor residents have ever been heard from regarding the Vikings possibility of leaving, i think very ironic casue that community has the most to lose in property values, tax base, and residents.

  107. ElkMoundSucks! says: Sep 29, 2011 4:30 PM

    Arden Hills and Ramsey County need to wake up. This is an opportunity to put people to work, grow the INCOMING tax base, cleanup a current eyesore, implement infrastructure and grow the county. Not to mention mention bring a real “all day” Sunday NFL experience back to Minnesota. Remember the Met? No, not inside. Outside!

    The Liberal media and Minneapolis have to love the bickering. Minneapolis and Hennepin County can now swoop in and be the saviors of the Vikings – delivering a new stadium to downtown Minneapolis. Ishtah. That’s what you already have. An awful place to try and enjoy a full day NFL experience.

    Have fun tailgating in downtown Minneapolis, guys. At least you’ll still have the Vikings, I guess.

    Oh, thank you R.T., Mr. Mondale, and every other Minneapolis Fat Cat, for saving your team….

  108. dtrb10 says: Sep 29, 2011 5:33 PM

    Vikes leave and there will be riots in the streets!!! I hope they are ready for that!

  109. pack13queens0 says: Sep 29, 2011 6:46 PM

    They need to move to LA. In LA, they will sell out every single game. The only time they can sell out in Minnesota is when they have a corporate buyout or when they’re playing the Packers. And Vikings ticket prices are the lowest in the league. $30 could by a 50 yard line seat in the first row. Plus with so many Packer fans in Minnesota, at least real football can be televised again. Packers games get better TV ratings in Minnesota than Vikings games get.

  110. vikefan says: Sep 29, 2011 9:23 PM

    They need to move to LA. In LA, they will sell out every single game. The only time they can sell out in Minnesota is when they have a corporate buyout or when they’re playing the Packers. And Vikings ticket prices are the lowest in the league. $30 could by a 50 yard line seat in the first row. Plus with so many Packer fans in Minnesota, at least real football can be televised again. Packers games get better TV ratings in Minnesota than Vikings games get.
    ———————————————————
    plz do not post ignorant comments u fool, u cant even get that price on a 1st row 50 yard line for preseason, if u like the pack so much, move to their tv market, in the meantime, hahaha

  111. jfinn5 says: Sep 30, 2011 3:37 AM

    LA doesn’t deserve a team. They lost the Rams and Raiders.

  112. fancyod says: Oct 3, 2011 9:58 AM

    You don’t know how much you miss a team until its gone,make for long winters in Minnesota, I miss seeing the team play living in Mississippi .

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