Looking at Clay Matthews’ slow start

Reuters

The numbers aren’t there for Clay Matthews early this season: one sack, 16 tackles, no involvement in turnovers.

Packers coach Mike McCarthy says that essentially the numbers lie.

“I understand what the statistics may, you know, [look like] from your standpoint. But as far as his grades week in and week out, he’s playing at a very high level,” McCarthy said via Kareem Copeland of the Green Bay Press-Gazette.

Matthews’ best game may have come against the Bears. He had three tackles for loss.  We watched him quite a bit against the Panthers, and were surprised to see the Carolina line handle Matthews sometimes in one-on-one situations.

“I told Clay today he just needs to continue to play like he’s playing,” defensive coordinator Dom Capers said. “Those things will come. He’s playing outstanding football right now.”

The team also said Matthews has improved as a run defender. The Packers sound thrilled with his play overall, and we’ll take their word for it for now.

Matthews has earned the benefit of the doubt; the splash plays should come.

156 responses to “Looking at Clay Matthews’ slow start

  1. Anyone who watches the Packers weekly knows Clay is doing fine. Big plays tend to come in bunches and with his effort I’m sure they’ll start showing up..

  2. Sack numbers don’t tell the story of a pass rusher. The impacts are wide-ranging when you command a double-team every play and can still flush a quarterback out of the pocket or force a throw earlier than he’d like.

    If you want a good example, look at the last play of the Dallas/Washington game this past weekend. Ware didn’t record any kind of number on a play in which he spun through a double-team and forced Grossman to move those glued-down feet of his, where he then got hammered by Spencer, ending the game.

    The box score will never show it, but Ware made that play happen. Matthews does the same all the time. If he or anyone else is worried about sack totals, he just needs to realize, there’s gonna be games like that.

  3. The same can be said for Demarcus Ware. But he has numbers to go along with it. As a 3-4 OLB you either get to the QB or you don’t. While Ware gets held almost every play, (as does Matthews) he’s gotten through it and already has 5 sacks with less play makers on his team. It’s only 3 games though, so I give him the benefit of the doubt. But he’s not even the best white guy in a 34 right now lol.

  4. With pass rushers now a days you really 2 very good ones on both ends cause teams will just always double team one to take him out. Walden on the other side has had his fair share of single teams and just has not won those 1 on 1 battles to justify not double teaming matthews all the time.

  5. He’s been getting the focus, that usually opens things up for guys like Jarius Wynn/etc.

    Basically what happens to every team with “a” pass rusher, we need Zombo/Walden and them other dudes to step up and compliment Clay.

  6. I trust Dom and what he says. The Claymaker is a beast and if hes getting multiple tackles for a loss each game, drawing double coverage most of the time, then hes making an impact. He play Newton pretty safe earlier this year, kept him from running to much.

  7. We Lions fans respect his game. He’s a wild man. Revis didn’t have any INTs last year, does that mean he sucked?

    No, it means teams avoided him. Like they are doing with Matthews. Avoid or double team. He always has to be accounted for in some way.

    That slow start is only in the stats.

  8. If you consistently watch Clay Matthew’s play, and an objective Packer fan would agree, he actually very rarely has two blockers dedicated to stopping him. Teams generally try to block Clay with one guy. There are very few defensive players in this league who demand a constant double team.

    Also w/ a 3-4 LB you don’t always know if he’s rushing or dropping so committing two players to block him can really mess with your offensive scheme unnecessarily.

  9. When a player has emerged as a threat on defense, the other team has to game plan for that guy. His “slow start” is probably due to teams preparing for him which allows other players to step up and make plays. The team as a whole has ten sacks so far. The only teams with more sacks are the Browns, Eagles, and Cowboys. Clay Matthews is doing just fine.

  10. Making a judgment about Matthews because he has 1 sack in 3 games is like saying Asomugha was a bad corner because his interceptions were down. Teams game plan around players like that, so sometimes the results show up in the stats of other players. For example, Jarius Wynn leads the team in sacks and nobody is having delusions that Wynn is the next Reggie White.

    If Matthews finishes the year with 5 sacks, alright, he had a down year. It’s just too early to say anything because if he goes out and has a 3 sack game Sunday, suddenly he’s on pace for16 which is a great season.

  11. OK all Packer Haters…here is your chance to really give it to Matthews…

    He is on roids…he is off roids…

    you have asteroids.

    Hurry, get a good one in before they are gone.

  12. There were plays during the Bear’s game that a TE chipped Matthews, then the OT awaited, and a back was also kept in. ANY player occupying 2 or potentially 3 blockers is “winning” ~ somebody else gets the stat, but the defense has won. I’d be happy if Matthews finished with 30 tackles all season, as long as the other guys hold Forte, Turner, AP, etc. to single or double-digit yardage.

  13. Could it be absence of Cullen Jenkins which affects on Clays performance? Nothing against Clay, but it seems that now when Jenkins is gone, teams can focus on Clay more. I’m not sure, but if I remember correctly when Jenkins was down couple of games last year, Clay wasn’t statistically as productive as in those games where Jenkins was in…

  14. I remember watching this guy vs the Jets last season and thinking he was overrated. Three and a half quarters through he did a lot of nothing when he had the hype going in all week long.

    Then when it mattered the most he double clubbed both of Damien Woody’s arms and came up with a huge sack at a critical time. That’s what separates the good from the great.

    Big players make big plays at big times. Stats are for losers. Unless you have 16 sacks.

  15. How many interceptions has Nnamdi and Revis had in the last few years? Stats are not always the best way of determining elite defensive players’ level of play.

  16. It’ll be entertaining to see any Matthews bashing, as anyone with half a brain would take this guy on their team.

  17. His parents told him not to make his lil brother loom bad….. Now that he’s been benched clay should pick it up

  18. Is Clay washed up??? Is Clay really that good??? I do think he had a stellar year, but c’mon he’s proving he just an average playe! NOW he comes back to reality. Welcome to the NFL.

  19. Sacks, by themselves, and just looking at a short three-game stretch, are an extremely fluky statistic. Sometimes you get four or five hurries in a game but no sacks. Sometimes somebody else chases the QB into you and he drops in your lap.

    Smart coaches and smart fans watch the game to see who is producing the pressure, not just what shows up in the box score.

  20. They’re right, not everything shows up in stats. You say he wasn’t involved in turnovers but against Carolina, there was a play where he got past a blocker and as soon as Newton saw him he paniced and forced a pass to Smith. Woodson jumped in front and got the interception. Plays like that won’t be remembered by everyone or show up in box scores but he’s definately still making an impact.

  21. I’ve seen a lot of double teaming the first few games, the man is still a force to be reckoned with and his numbers will improve.

  22. Terrell Suggs started out the same exact way. Was great at rushing the QB, but as he transitioned to also play good run defense he was accused subpar play as his numbers temporarily declined. I think Matthews will be fine – actually, much better than fine….

  23. Teams do eventually prepare for players such as clay Matthews. But even though the numbers not there, he making teams pay attention to him an open things up for his teammates. If his teammates number are looking like crap then I would worry about them. Not clay. He can do but so much against double teams an chips from backs

  24. This is all about Cullen Jenkins. He made that D-Line much more dangerous and cleared up Clay Matthews. The Packers really blew it by not getting him signed.

  25. HGH testing is on the horizon and Clay hasn’t done anything this season. Coincidence? Not many people go from walk-on at USC to star 1st round pick pass rusher without a little help. On a related note, I wonder why the Steelers’ D has been soft this season…

  26. Clay is worried about the new HGH testing. Those TFL’s were because the Bears can’t execute. He is the Barry Bonds of the NFL

  27. Boy, was I waiting for this story. What a shock that everybody brings up hgh. You guys are all nothing but jealous scrubs.

  28. “Three words: H G H” Nice to see we have someone here who is able to do psychic drug testing and can make kneejerk diagnoses over the web. But dude, go back to remedial English again now that you’re done with your MD. Those aren’t words.

  29. Bahshah is right on about missing Cullen Jenkins, it probably hurt Matthews the most. I had this conversation on another site recently and checked the game by game logs next to each other.

    When Jenkins was in he had 11.5 sacks in 11 games, when he was out he had 2 sacks in the 5 games Jenkins missed. When Cullen came back for the playoffs Matthews went right back to a sack a game. The Packers still get sacks from other places but nobody else is a consistent rush threat like Jenkins was and he had to be accounted for on the line of scrimmage.

    Matthews is still a stud and playing at a high level it is just a lot easier for teams to key in on him now. His sack totals will be down a bit most likely at year’s end but I don’t think he has stepped back as a player at all.

  30. terrellblowens says: “HGH testing is on the horizon and Clay hasn’t done anything this season.” Aside from disrupting the hell out of defenses, he has 12 tackles, a sack, several hurries and lots of hits on QBs. That’s with a bad quad. You’re ignorant.

  31. You do have to wonder what the deal is with the Pack D this year, but heck, they’re 3-0. I’m sure Mathews will get his numbers. It is a bit ironic that some of the same Packer apologists are offering up excuses when they didn’t hesitate to trash Jared Allen on his slow start last year (and he came around just fine).

  32. i bet money he can’t get double digit sacks if he was line up over teams top left tackle.he not better than harrison,not better than ware,not better than Terrell Suggs,not even better than mario williams an it his first year at OLB

  33. What proof can folks provide that ties his slow start to HGH? Just b/c Matthews didn’t start the 2011 Season where he left off in 2010 does not mean anything. Offensive staffs are scheming for Matthews to contain his impact, as any smart team would. He is still a freakish athelete that can beat you at any given point of the game.

  34. “i bet money he can’t get double digit sacks if he was line up over teams top left tackle.he not better than harrison,not better than ware,not better than Terrell Suggs,not even better than mario williams an it his first year at OLB”
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    He better den you is.

  35. He and AJ are missin’ their ‘roids…..pretty simple. We’ve seen it in all sports , we put ’em on a pedestal just to watch them fall. ‘Roids will do wonders….for awhile.

  36. Typical Packer “team” start. We’re generally sluggish in the first four or five games…. but..We’re 3-0. Not bad for a slow start. GO PACK GO!

  37. It has to be the HGH that made him good. There’s NO way the genetics of a family with 5 NFL players and counting could have had anything to do with his success.

  38. Against the Bears, Matthews had two tackles for a loss on running plays, which was a big part of the reason Martz gave up on the running game (not that Martz needs much of an excuse for that). The Bears doubled Matthews quite a bit on passing plays. There were a few times when Matthews was singled that he got a lot of pressure on Cutler, one of which forced a turnover. I would guess his grade against the Bears would have been quite high. In the opener again N. Orleans, he played well in spurts and had some big plays when they were really needed. I would think his grade would have been OK in that game. Didn’t see the Carolina game, so I don’t know.

    Overall, I would think that Matthews would be graded out above average, but certainly not at the level of 2nd place in the defensive player of the year voting.

  39. I’m sure the greater focus on players’ use of HGH this season has absolutely nothing to do with the decline of Bloodline’s performance…

  40. instantlunch24 says:
    Sep 30, 2011 10:37 AM
    monsterscream says:
    Sep 30, 2011 9:52 AM
    Three words: H G H
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    Those are letters.
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    …representing words. Human Growth Hormone.

  41. “I’m sure he’s on HGH, but most players are. It will be very interesting once a rigorous testing system is implementing.”

    I don’t think many of the good players are on HGH. I think they’re on state-of-the-art stuff that is currently not detectable by a test (think the type of stuff BALCO was putting out). That or they have state-of-the-art masking agents that would put StarCaps to shame.

    If/when they settle on HGH testing, it’s going to be the guys who barely made the roster who are testing positive. These are guys who took the risk of getting caught and weighed it against the benefits of a 6 figure salary. They won’t have the money or resources to get themselves on the good stuff. It’s going to be rare that the superstar players are caught.

  42. scudbot says:
    Sep 30, 2011 10:41 AM
    terrellblowens says: “HGH testing is on the horizon and Clay hasn’t done anything this season.” Aside from disrupting the hell out of defenses, he has 12 tackles, a sack, several hurries and lots of hits on QBs. That’s with a bad quad. You’re ignorant.

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    And you’re a homer. Clay can’t do anything wrong, right?

    Geesh, you would think his last name is Tebow not Matthews

  43. Next week’s PFT headline:

    “League, NFLPA Agree to No HGH Testing for 2011-2012 Season.”

    PFT Headline on December 1, 2011:

    “Clay Matthews Finds His Groove, Leads League in Sacks.”

  44. Yeah, Clay is on HGH. It’s not like his brother, uncle, father, and grandfather all played NFL football or anything.

    Good armchair analysis from all you lazy couch potatoes though. I’m sure most of you would make it the first 5 minutes of Clay’s workout.

    Go Pack Go!

  45. jacksaysfu says:
    Sep 30, 2011 9:58 AM
    He’s being a good brother so Casey don’t feel alone (and I’m an Eagles fan) .
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    Now that is funny stuff ! (and I am a Packer Fan)

  46. He’s getting chipped or double teamed on most play…..and if ‘he’s not, it’s due to the play going the other way, and his numbers are down a bit…big deal. If you saw any game this year, you’d know that he has come up big with huge plays when they were in tough spots. Teams are strategizing and playing around him, and the loss of Jenkins is proving to be pretty big. Nothing more.

    Packers had some tough times stopping teams parts of last year and I seem to remember them getting things back on track.
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    purpleguy says:Sep 30, 2011 10:43 AM
    Packer apologists are offering up excuses when they didn’t hesitate to trash Jared Allen on his slow start last year (and he came around just fine).

    Dude, he’s a Viking and he’s wearing dark pink…..I will continue to trash him until he retires or moves on. Not to mention he was playing with the BEST FRONT LINE DEFENSE in all of football last year, that’s why he was getting dogged. Awesome player though…wish he was a Packer.
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    chicity2218 says:Sep 30, 2011 10:46 AM

    i bet money he can’t get double digit sacks if he was line up over teams top left tackle.he not better than harrison,not better than ware,not better than Terrell Suggs,not even better than mario williams an it his first year at OLB

    You need to get Sunday Ticket then and watch some Packer games. He’s way underweight to be an every down bull rusher, he thrives on stunts and even drops in pass coverage…something only Harrison does as well. Find me one of the donkeys in your group up there that’s in every pile, even if it’s 60 yards downfield…maybe Harrison…and that’s a big maybe. BTW…look at Ware’s numbers this year too…same thing. It’s a team sport buddy…and they’re 3-0.

  47. calloustongue –“I’m sure most of you would make it the first 5 minutes of Clay’s workout.”–But I have no doubt that if every NFL player injected the same horse ‘roids as Matthews, they could keep up with his amazing workouts (because Matthews is the only guy in league who lifts weights, right?).

    Packer “d” is 29th in yards allowed, 31st in passing yards allowed, and 22nd in scoring.

  48. I love the HGH comments. How about you guys put the team you support in your comments and then we will pick out the HGH users on your team. Or maybe you actually think he is the only HGH user in the NFL because he is such a force to be reckoned with which basically means you are searching for anything you can to NOT admit he is a stud on the field from natural born talent. If HGH treats him that well I am sure Casey would following his brothers lead. How is that working out for him?

  49. Well it’s clear that most of you haven’t actually watched him this year, or know very much about football.

    He’s drawn a number of holding calls that were dead-to-rights sacks. Also, Jarius Wynn, a player that we CUT last year has been getting sacks because of all of the attention paid to Matthews.

    Also, look at the games that he’s been asked to play. He played a lot of coverage against the Saints because of their spread offense and perimeter weapons, their scatback, etc. And Drew Brees got rid of the ball very quickly.

    Then he was asked to QB spy and mush-rush Cam Newton because of his scrambling and rushing ability.

    Really his only opportunity for sacks came against Cutler, where he was held constantly, and drew a few calls. He made 3 tackles for a loss on a defensive front that held Forte to a 0.2 yard per carry average. Those are essentially sacks. They change the game just as much as a sack and have basically the same effect. I would take 3 TFL over 1 or 2 QB sacks. Watch the games, people.

  50. Could we get a few more HGH comments? Very thorough analysis by a bunch of losers with no athletic ability of their own. Keeping hating you bums.

  51. totallyuselessme says:
    Sep 30, 2011 9:49 AM
    Sack numbers don’t tell the story of a pass rusher. The impacts are wide-ranging when you command a double-team every play and can still flush a quarterback out of the pocket or force a throw earlier than he’d like.

    If you want a good example, look at the last play of the Dallas/Washington game this past weekend. Ware didn’t record any kind of number on a play in which he spun through a double-team and forced Grossman to move those glued-down feet of his, where he then got hammered by Spencer, ending the game.

    The box score will never show it, but Ware made that play happen. Matthews does the same all the time. If he or anyone else is worried about sack totals, he just needs to realize, there’s gonna be games like that.

    duece5 says:

    Well, the box score doesn’t show ALOT of times where Mr. HGH, er Clay, is being played STRAIGHT UP, and is getting handled quite easily…..view the Carolina game as noted above. The dude rarely gets double teamed like DEs such as Jared Allen or Ware, where Allen has been disruptive AND has the numbers.

    It’s hilarious how last year after a “slow” start that pack fans were calling Allen a one trick pony and they were saying…..”look at his stats”…he sucks. Not true beerbrat breath. So, shoe is on the other foot, but with clay rarely getting doubled, AND being manhandled, and giving up mega yards and points to boot, not is all well. But, hey, drink the green and gold koolaid.

  52. As an over 3 decade long Packers fan, I think Matthews is or was clearly on something coming into the NFL.

    Perhaps, his hammy (which is oft injured) is in a state of disrepair. Is that injury roid related?

    His buddy Cushing hasn’t been the same since he got popped for roids.

    Brees is tough to sack, as is Newton with his mobility.

    This week should tell us how far, or if, he’s fallen off.

  53. I won’t pretend to assume Clay isn’t using HGH, but don’t think anyone else should assume he is. Its a silly argument. Although there are a couple reason why I think his performance hasn’t tailed off, but his stats have. First anyone who watched him dip under and blow bye a couple of reach blocks against Chicago to meet Forte right as he’s getting the hand-off would see his motor and explosiveness haven’t diminished. As good as a sack. Also the last 3 opponents either the Packers scheme or the other team’s scheme has hurt the only stat Monday morning QBs look at to evaluate linebackers… sacks. Saints’ Brees gets the ball out fast so he’s hard to get to. Against Carolina the Packers asked players to maintain lane integrity to reduce Cam’s scrambling so rushers had to come more under control and contain vs. attack. Against Chicago, the Packers often sat back and rushed 3 or 4 forcing Cutler to read and throw into coverage. The rest of the season will tell if he’s lost something, but watching the first 3 games he’s still one of the 2 keys that make this D go.

  54. Relax!!! He’s on pace for a great stat for a pass rusher, 85 tackles!!!

    Plus, there are plenty of crappy offensive lines to rack up sack totals on!!!!

  55. #1 stat to look at is wins. He might not be playing up to his lofty standards statistics wise, but he’s contributing. I’d rather have no standouts and all wins than standouts and losses. If his play drops and we start piling up losses, then I will be worried. I know not many football fans like to get into statistics, but I still wonder why we don’t have a “war… wins above replacement level” like baseball does so you can better see averages across the league. I’d still bet Clay has a positive replacement level if we did.

    Calling all stat geeks out there… get on it. Make us a war for football.

  56. duece5 says:

    Well, the box score doesn’t show ALOT of times where Mr. HGH, er Clay, is being played STRAIGHT UP, and is getting handled quite easily…..view the Carolina game as noted above. The dude rarely gets double teamed like DEs such as Jared Allen or Ware, where Allen has been disruptive AND has the numbers.

    It’s hilarious how last year after a “slow” start that pack fans were calling Allen a one trick pony and they were saying…..”look at his stats”…he sucks. Not true beerbrat breath. So, shoe is on the other foot, but with clay rarely getting doubled, AND being manhandled, and giving up mega yards and points to boot, not is all well. But, hey, drink the green and gold koolaid.
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    Actually Duece5 says:
    I wish more of our players WOULD use something so we could finish a game without taking a nap and are now sitting at 0-3…..with a bunch of upside tho bwaaahahaa….

  57. Only two words can explain the decline in stats CULLEN JENKINS. Without Jenkins Matthews is on his on to make the same plays he made last year and it’s not going to happen. To the Packers fans that said Ware’s #’s are off….he only LEADS THE LEAGUE IN SACKS after 3 games. Jenkins has more sacks through 3 games than Matthews and it was Jenkins not Clay that demanded DT’s last year which openned up things for Clay. He will get his tackles but he is far from the “best OLB in the league” as one Packer fan said. That goes to Ware.

    The Pack are the team to beat right now their best game is going to be against the last team to beat them THE LIONS.

    Oh and Pack fans trust me Cushing and Matthews were both on PEDs. Don’t be dillusional.

  58. kibawib says:

    Packer “d” is 29th in yards allowed, 31st in passing yards allowed, and 22nd in scoring.
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    What about their record? Losers always make up excuses why winners aren’t very good. You can manipulate the statistics anyway you want… but you can’t manipulate the WINS.

  59. kibawib, the Packers have given up 165 rushing yards in 3 games. If you want to cherry pick stats for your own pleasure go find something the Vikings have done well.

  60. As an over 3 decade long Packers fan, I think Matthews is or was clearly on something coming into the NFL.

    Perhaps, his hammy (which is oft injured) is in a state of disrepair. Is that injury roid related?

    His buddy Cushing hasn’t been the same since he got popped for roids.

    Brees is tough to sack, as is Newton with his mobility.

    This week should tell us how far, or if, he’s fallen off.
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    I’m not going to get into the HGH argument, but I think it’s pretty ridiculous to suggest based on three games that Clay has lost athletic ability. The two tackles for loss that Clay had in the first half against the Bears were plays that very, very few OLBs could make. Tremendously athletic plays.

  61. iamthorny, his coaches don’t think he’s fallen off. They do think he’s improved against the run and the team stats show that. His hammy has healed; now he’s fighting a quad injury. In case you’re unfamiliar with the NFL, players get injured.

  62. eaglelover1 says “Trust me”. Right. Cushing got busted. Matthews didn’t. By the way isn’t “Dillusional” the name of one of those FAs you guys picked up?

  63. I think Clay is playing great. sacks are only one facet to his position and he is doing pretty well there too…even if he only has 1 or 2…this isnt just a Packer thing either…listen to what opposing teams say about him. Certainly teams dont fear numbers in a newspaper. they fear the man on the field. overrated my ass. he is tenacious and assignment sound…just doing his job.

  64. Nobody talks about how bad the rest of the Packer’s defensive line is. Lets not forget about that.

    They could block Matthews with 2 or 3 guys if they want to and probably be ok.

  65. HGH ?? NO!! Hes a walk on in college who becomes all world a year later. Pleeeeeeez. Packer nation better get ready for the next Brian Bosworth after Congress forces the new anti doping policies on the NFL.

  66. I get sick of all the Matthews HGH witch hunt stuff.

    Its no longer innocent til proven guilty its, guilty by assosciation (Cushing).

    The guy still is a beast. Ever think that Cullen Jenkins was a little bit better than Wynn who replaced him.

    Thats probably the biggest reason that he is getting double teamed and protection is getting slid his way.

  67. polishrod, I believe you wrote that Clay “hasn’t done anything this season.” I was simply pointing out that you’re quite wrong.

  68. dellied says:
    Sep 30, 2011 12:22 PM
    Well it’s clear that most of you haven’t actually watched him this year, or know very much about football.

    He’s drawn a number of holding calls that were dead-to-rights sacks. Also, Jarius Wynn, a player that we CUT last year has been getting sacks because of all of the attention paid to Matthews.

    Also, look at the games that he’s been asked to play. He played a lot of coverage against the Saints because of their spread offense and perimeter weapons, their scatback, etc. And Drew Brees got rid of the ball very quickly.

    Then he was asked to QB spy and mush-rush Cam Newton because of his scrambling and rushing ability.

    Really his only opportunity for sacks came against Cutler, where he was held constantly, and drew a few calls. He made 3 tackles for a loss on a defensive front that held Forte to a 0.2 yard per carry average. Those are essentially sacks. They change the game just as much as a sack and have basically the same effect. I would take 3 TFL over 1 or 2 QB sacks. Watch the games, people.

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    So, Mr Know-it-All, do you actually KNOW that they asked him to do those things. Or did you assume it based on your overwhelming knowledge of football?

    If it’s the latter (which is the most likely scenario based on your CUT comment), I for one feel blessed that you are such an expert on the Packers LBs and their weekly assignments

    Clay is still a good player, but teams are figuring out how to play him now. He just needs to re-adjust and he’ll climb back up. DeMarcuse Ware and Urlacher both had small stretches in their careers where they became less effective. Clay is probably going through something similiar.

  69. monsterscream says:
    Sep 30, 2011 9:52 AM
    Three words: H G H
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    That’s three letters Einstein. But you want three words, here they are….you’re a moron.

  70. scudbot… stand down, you’re coming off as a stalker.

    I understand people get injured in the NFL…I remember Justin Harrell and now Mike Neal quite well.

    Ever wonder why Clay is ALWAYS injured in some form or fashion? Do PED’s increase the likelihood of muscle injuries?

    Clay Matthews is a highly instinctive game changing type of player, when healthy, and or juiced.

    The fact Cushing got busted and Clay did not doesn’t wipe away the argument that Clay couldn’t be on something.

    The Pack is 3-0 and So’oto gets unleashed this Sunday…that might be just the thing Clay needs to get his stats back. When Mike Neal returns healthy then his numbers oughta really incline.

  71. that’s funny…. if this is clay having a slow start, i’ll take that over most players best starts. and all you guy’s talking about hgh c’mon get over yourself. seriously every other team in the league would be lining up to suk him off if he was a free agent. and so would you. suky suky for free clay just come to my team…. you can hate all you want on line about cm3, but really what you hate is that he doesn’t play for your team. #truth

  72. The Packers D has seemed pretty vanilla scheme-wise this year.

    Versus Chicago there was a decent stretch where Matthews, Raji, and Wynn were the only ones rushing in passing situations. Walden would then do kind of a lazy rush where he hung back and tried to fill the passing lane and keep the QB in the pocket.

    This is actually kind of smart since this was a weakness last year (at least early on). I think Vick, Cutler, and Shaun Hill racked up 175 rushing yards in 3 games in the first half of last year.

    I think Matthews will be fine, he’s made a bunch of plays in the running game so far.

  73. calloustongue says:
    Sep 30, 2011 12:01 PM
    Yeah, Clay is on HGH. It’s not like his brother, uncle, father, and grandfather all played NFL football or anything.

    Good armchair analysis from all you lazy couch potatoes though. I’m sure most of you would make it the first 5 minutes of Clay’s workout.

    Go Pack Go!

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    You want to know why Roids and HGH kewep getting brought up? Here is why:

    When he walked on at USC he weighed 165 pounds. he now weighs 265. In 6 years he put on 100 pounds of muscle.

    It is medically proven that a human body is not capable of adding any more than 7-8 pounds of muscle mass per year w/o the aid of PED’s.

    One guy in baseball put on 45 pounds in the same amount of years as Clay.
    He is castigated for this. Barry Bonds.

    I’m sure all you Clay defenders never said a bad word about Bonds, but since he’s a packer- he’s just a “freak of nature>”

    Bonds 6 years 45 pounds – guilty
    Clay 6 years 100 pounds- everyone is just jealous.

    Loudmouth, inane , know nothing HYPOCRITICAL fans.

    Worst fanbase in all of pro sports- bar none- are packer fans.
    Bloodlines my ass. Ped’s- you bet your ass.

  74. @PaulHargis
    “When he walked on at USC he weighed 165 pounds. he now weighs 265. In 6 years he put on 100 pounds of muscle.”

    Might want to check your facts on that one. The 165 lbs was when he was starting his junior year of high school. He was around 210 when he went to USC. I guess stretching the truth is the only way to make your argument legit.

  75. Don’t let silly things like facts get in the way of your huffing and puffing.

    Enough with your constant dribble about Packers fans being the worst. Man, you are a one trick pony. Get some new material.

  76. I saw the story on Fujita’s take on HGH in the NFL and thought I would give Packer fans a hard time about the upcoming testing and Matthew’s sudden lack of production. Before doing so I thought Iwould look at his first three games stats from 2010 & 2009.

    Then I noticed this article under the Most Commented section and thought this would be the more appropriate place to make the comment.

    First, Matthew’s has only 12 tackles this year, not 16 as the story says. Second, his stats really aren’t that far off to think there is any issue to worry about.

    2011: 12 tackles 1 sack
    2010: 13 tackles 3.5 sacks
    2090: 8 tackles 2 sacks

    Here I was going to come on here and hassle Packer fans about Matthews and I end up defending the guy.

  77. chicity2218 says:Sep 30, 2011 10:21 AM
    “overrated,he not even going against teams best tackle and he getting shut out.”

    Are we talking about how J-Peppers was shut down by Marshall ‘backupGuard’ Newhouse in 1 on 1 situations last week?

  78. paulharghis says: Sep 30, 2011 4:20 PM
    It is medically proven that a human body is not capable of adding any more than 7-8 pounds of muscle mass per year w/o the aid of PED’s.
    ————————————————————–

    So how do you explain your thick head?!!?

  79. For all you HGH nimrods here’s what his team/coaches have to say about his play this year & I think they would have a better handle on it than a bunch of bloggers:

    Matthews, meanwhile, is putting his own learning to good use, even if it’s not showing up in the form of the glamor statistic – sacks.

    With just one sack through three games, Matthews is far off his pace from a year ago, when he had six in the first two weeks. After being drafted in 2009 in the first round – another player Thompson traded up to acquire – Matthews has reached double digits in sacks in each of his first two pro seasons.

    But any member of the Green Bay coaching staff will tell you that Matthews is playing, perhaps, the best football of his career right now. He’s defending the run better than he ever has, with at least one tackle for loss in each game so far, including four last Sunday in Chicago.

    Outside Linebackers Coach Kevin Greene said Matthews’ run-stuffing comes directly from his extensive film study. Even Matthews said he knows “the plays are coming before they’re even coming.”

    “His vision is so much better and he’s more of a student of the game now than he’s ever been,” Greene said. “He knows the odds of a specific play being run based on who’s in the game and how they’ve lined up at the line of scrimmage and where they are on the field.

    “He sees it, he recognizes it, and he plays to what he sees on film.”

    Matthews did that all day against the Bears, reading the counter runs coming his way and beating the pulling guard with his quickness. Greene, one of the best 3-4 outside linebackers in NFL history, said the type of recognition and instincts Matthews is developing takes most linebackers six to eight years to discover.

    His one sack was actually kind of a “cheapie,” when in Week 2 he ran Carolina quarterback Cam Newton out of bounds and was credited with a sack. That play didn’t come close to matching the impact he’s had on other key stops, namely at the goal line on the final play against New Orleans and inside the 5-yard line on a fourth-down tackle of Newton.

    Matthews would like to get more sacks, to be sure, but he’s also absorbing regular double-teams when he rushes, particularly on third-and-long when the Packers have usually rushed just three. Greene said the percentage

  80. calloustongue says:
    Sep 30, 2011 5:19 PM
    @PaulHargis
    “When he walked on at USC he weighed 165 pounds. he now weighs 265. In 6 years he put on 100 pounds of muscle.”

    Might want to check your facts on that one. The 165 lbs was when he was starting his junior year of high school. He was around 210 when he went to USC. I guess stretching the truth is the only way to make your argument legit
    ================================
    What a dummy. So he gained 45 pounds in 2 years? Nah, he didnt take anything to gain that much weight. Thanks for proving my point even further.

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    stellarperformance says:
    Oct 1, 2011 4:22 PM
    paulharghis says: Sep 30, 2011 4:20 PM
    It is medically proven that a human body is not capable of adding any more than 7-8 pounds of muscle mass per year w/o the aid of PED’s.
    ————————————————————–

    So how do you explain your thick head?!!?

    ================================
    What can I say, the Lord blessed me in that regard….. Oh, you mean the head on my shoulders.

    I need new material? Guess not, you keep responding, I’m here to get a reaction and i continue to do so. Seems to me you are the one with the thick head.

  81. You get responded to because you’re wrong. And let’s put this in a time frame…every time you post.

    If having your responses torn apart and having it pointed out how monotonous and boring your insults are is the highlight of your life, I pity you sir.

    How bout them Vikings?

  82. I’ve seen plenty of kids go from 165 to 200 with some hard work in the weight room. Obviously you’ve never set foot in one.

  83. “You guys are all nothing but jealous scrubs.”

    Yup. That’s what they said 10 years ago about

    McGwire.
    And Sosa.
    And Bonds.

  84. calloustongue says:
    Oct 2, 2011 9:15 PM
    You get responded to because you’re wrong. And let’s put this in a time frame…every time you post.

    If having your responses torn apart and having it pointed out how monotonous and boring your insults are is the highlight of your life, I pity you sir.

    How bout them Vikings?

    =================================
    I get responded to because I rip on the Packers.
    It’s not about right or wrong to me idiot. How do you not get that yet?!?!?!
    God you are so dumb. If it’s os boring, why do you respond? If I didn’t get any attention- i might go away.
    The Vikings aren’t good. I stated that previously, what’s your point? It isn’t going to stop me from pointing out the obvious ignorance of you Packer fans.
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    calloustongue says:
    Oct 2, 2011 9:19 PM
    I’ve seen plenty of kids go from 165 to 200 with some hard work in the weight room. Obviously you’ve never set foot in one.

    =================================
    Quite the hobby you have there stellar, hanging out with the young boys in the weight room……whatever floats your boat.
    165 – 210 is impossible without the aid of PEDS.
    Use the internet jerky.
    Read some books- it’s all out there for your edification.

    You won’t though- you won’t ever admit that your hero is juiced to the gills.

  85. 165-200. It’s called growing moron. Which most males are still doing between 16-22. Along with lifting, it’s more than achievable. I’m glad you read your facts somewhere on the interwebz, maybe try coming out of mom’s basement and getting in a weightroom?

    I don’t want you to go away, you’re too entertaining. There always has to be one Viking fan that claims he doesn’t care his teams sucks, or even being right in his posts, his whole existence is about being a Packer troll. Pathetic, but still funny. Pervy left, you’ve taken his spot as most pathetic poster. Thanks for the lulz.

  86. No one with anything decent in their life trolls on the net. That’s for 14 year olds that hate the world b/c a girl won’t go out with them. Trying to rile up strangers on the internet by posting inflammatory remarks that you don’t even support doesn’t make you cool, it makes you a joke.

  87. I think Clay and his old buddy from U$C, Bryan Cushing, have or are still juiced. However, the Vikes fan who says you can’t put on 100 pounds without drugs from 16 years old to a grown man is full of it.

    My brother was a rail thin 5’4″ weakling when he was 16. He grew 9 inches over his junior -senior year and in the Marine Corp he put on another 70 pounds of solid jarhead muscle in the weight room and carrying guns and gear.

  88. I get that it’s hard to be objective when the player in question plays for the Home team. But come on guys. Be objective for a moment and look at this guy and the programs/people he has been sorrounded by. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck its probably a duck. I guess none of us will know for sure until he tests positive or someone outs him ala Barry Bonds but its certainly reasonable to theorize this guy is a science project.

  89. In your first year of serious training you can realistically expect to build anywhere between 10 and 25 pounds of muscle.

    In year two, we can cut those numbers in half, giving you a gain of 5-12 pounds. In year three, the gains will be halved again, giving you 3-6 pounds of muscle.

    Ok, that’s 43 in 3 years max.

    Also- to the turd with the brother- In puberty- you are going to gain weight no matter what- it’s not necessarily muscle gain.
    This still doesn’t account for the other 57 pounds of gain he had. Did he have another growth spurt at 20? He also didn’t gain very much in height- certainly not 3/4 of a foot like this dummy’s “brother”.
    Couple this with his muscle(quad/hammy) trouble and add the fact that his roommate from college was busted- well that’s plenty of signs.
    Again, you turds won’t admit it- you just can’t ever admit anything- pathetic.

  90. I don’t want you to go away, you’re too entertaining. There always has to be one Viking fan that claims he doesn’t care his teams sucks, or even being right in his posts, his whole existence is about being a Packer troll. Pathetic, but still funny. Pervy left, you’ve taken his spot as most pathetic poster. Thanks for the lulz.

    calloustongue says:
    Oct 4, 2011 8:40 AM
    No one with anything decent in their life trolls on the net. That’s for 14 year olds that hate the world b/c a girl won’t go out with them. Trying to rile up strangers on the internet by posting inflammatory remarks that you don’t even support doesn’t make you cool, it makes you a joke.

    ==================================
    Lol. More sticks and stones. Now I’m a 14 year old ? Girls don’t like me? Come on now, is that really the best you can do?
    I never claimed I was cool- I claimed it entertained me for a few minutes a day to piss you blowhards off.

    Calling me pervy is a compliment- he’s still on here by the way- just playing a different person.
    I wouldn’t expect you to be able to figure that out though.

    By the way- on the whole Clay steroids thing- I do believe that- you have to be blind, or in your case-willfully ignorant to the fact he’s juicing.

  91. PED’s have been prevalent in football at all levels since at least the 1970’s, and became pervasive in the NFL with the current size of some players topping out at around 350, a huge increase. I know the reasoning “everybody’s doing it” is not valid, but as customers of an entertainment enterprise, do we really want play to return to 1960’s levels? After Lyle Alzado and Brian Bosworth I’m sure players are aware of the dangers. As for Clay Matthews pedigree, His great grandfather was involved in athletics at the Citital, his grandfather played in the NFL with a break to fight WWII, his father played in the NFL, and brother Casey, his uncle Bruce is a Hall of Fame former NFL player and current NFL assistant coach, first cousin plays in NFL, another first cousin plays for Texas A&M and will likely be drafted, and another first cousin is bound for A&M, and no doubt also be drafted. Nurture or Nature, few people can even ride the pine in the NFL, but with his “burst” and savvy alone Clay has earned his stripes enhanced or not.

  92. This is to say that had the playing field been completely “level” as to PED’s for Clay Matthews, he would likely be at or near exactly where he currently is. Based on genetics, football related family values, and family coaching/competition available to him. These are not “fair” to others either, since they are not publicly available outside the Matthews family.

  93. Paulhargis whines:
    “I never claimed I was cool- I claimed it entertained me for a few minutes a day to piss you blowhards off.

    Calling me pervy is a compliment- he’s still on here by the way- just playing a different person.
    I wouldn’t expect you to be able to figure that out though.”

    You’re not pissing us off so much as making us feel sorry for you. Getting pissed at some stranger at the internet is pretty dumb, just like trying to ellicit a response is. I’m here to talk football, obviously your life is empty enough where your entertainment comes from being a jerk. Sad.

    Glad to know Pervy is still around, if I was wrong and ignorant on all my posts, I’d change my name too.

    Maybe in the next 10 years when the Vikings are relevant again, you’ll want to talk sports instead of continuing to give Vikings’ fans the distincition of biggest jokes in the NFL.

    Either Clay is on something or isn’t, or was, or wasn’t. We disagree which it is. Either way, who cares?

  94. Paul Hargis laments:
    “Now I’m a 14 year old ? Girls don’t like me? Come on now, is that really the best you can do?”

    Never said that. I said that’s the typical profile of a troll. So if the shoe fits.

    Does a grown man really sit around calling people turds? I could care less how old you are, but you come off as very immature and like you have some issues. I guess I hope you are 14, b/c if you aren’t that’s unfortunate you are stuck such a juvenile mindset. Sorry that you are butthurt, didn’t mean to strike a nerve.

  95. Either Clay is on something or isn’t, or was, or wasn’t. We disagree which it is. Either way, who cares?

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    Now you are saying who cares if he is or isn’t?
    Youwereso adamant that he wasn’t. What happened??

    As for the rest of your 2 posts? more of the sane crap-I don’t care what yu or anyone else thinks.

    I do what I do because I’m tired of you blowhards. Slapping each others backs and slurping whatever.

    It’sfine to be happy about your team- the problem is- thats not good enough- you have to shove it in everyones faces- and you say it’s in the name of “good natured ribbing”.
    If any fan has the temerity to sling stuff back at you- or call you out on it- they are immature and sad an d whatever else you babbled about.
    Give me a break.
    The only Viking fan you turds like is one who will take your abuse and not say anything back- sorry- im not that guy
    I’ll continue to call you turds out for the Blowhards you are.
    Yes I use turds- what else am Isuppose to call you? THere is a cursing ban to think about.

  96. If I didn’t get any attention- i might go away.
    ___________________________

    Guys I think he’s pretty much laid it out for you. If his rantings are so bothersome just let it go. He;ll get bored, change his name and come back as somebody else and start over. He’s been at it for over two years now–it was just a little more interesting 2 years ago when the Vikes were at least relevant.

    Chicken-last I heard Perv was gettin married and wifey didn;t get his involvment on PFT. If he’s on here under another handle he sure has calmed down quite a bit.

    You & Super break up?

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