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Bill Belichick reflects on his interview with Al Davis

New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick looks on against the New York Giants during the first quarter of their NFL football game in Foxborough Reuters

As New England coach Bill Belichick prepares to lead his team on the field in Oakland on Sunday, he’s reflecting on the time he interviewed to become the Raiders’ head coach.

Belichick had just finished his second season as the Jets’ assistant head coach under Bill Parcells, and Raiders owner Al Davis had just fired head coach Joe Bugel after one 4-12 season. Belichick says it was a pleasure to meet with Davis.

“It was good. It was a good experience for me. I went out there after the ’98 season,” Belichick said on Friday. “We had a good couple days of conversation. It was good because we talked a lot about football, and he’s very, very knowledgeable about the game, personnel, schemes, adjustments and so forth. He was asking a lot of questions about what we did defensively.”

Davis coached the Raiders himself from 1963 to 1965, and in the nearly half century since then he has earned a reputation as a hands-on owner who, for better or worse, wants to get personally involved in how the coach does things. Belichick confirmed that that was his perception of Davis.

“You kind of don’t want to give too much information because, you know, he’s running the defense. He wasn’t really too interested in talking about offensive football,” Belichick said. “He’s a great mind. It was unlike any other interview I’ve ever had with an owner because he was so in-depth. His interview was so in-depth, really, about football, about Xs and Os and strategy and use of personnel and acquisition, all the things really that a coach would talk about, that’s really what he talked about. That made it pretty unique.”

Davis ended up hiring Jon Gruden, and Belichick said that’s what he expected: Although Belichick was happy to get another head-coaching interview three years after he was fired as head coach of the Browns, he never expected Davis to hire him.

“It really seemed like a waste of time, because I felt pretty certain that he wouldn’t hire a defensive coach, because he hasn’t since Eddie Erdelatz in [1960],” Belichick said. “It’s a parade of offensive coaches out there. He’s really a defensive coordinator.”

It’s fascinating to think how the last decade in the NFL might have been different if that interview had gone differently. Does Belichick turn the Raiders into three-time champions, as he has done with the Patriots? Where would New England have turned a year later when their coaching job opened up again? If Davis had hired Belichick, much of recent football history would have changed.

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  1. tiffpats4eva says: Oct 1, 2011 9:23 AM

    “Belichick cheats” comments in 5,4,3,2,1…

  2. mrf47 says: Oct 1, 2011 9:33 AM

    Would the Raiders have won 3 Super Bowls with Belichick? That would have depended on if they also drafted Tom Brady.

  3. ampats says: Oct 1, 2011 9:40 AM

    Another fanbase left to think what could have been. Actually had Jon Gruden stayed, the Raiders might not have been embarrassed in the SB setting the franchise back into a decade of incompetence.

    Sunday, reality returns to the Bay area when the Pats roll over the Raiders. This game won’t be close, Pats by 2TD’s +.

  4. dobreshunka says: Oct 1, 2011 9:42 AM

    His career with the Raiders would have ended like his career with the Browns, because there’s no freakin’ way that the Oakland franchise would get the same once-in-a-century kind of luck that New England got with their pick of Tom Brady.

    In Oakland Brady would have turned into John Navarre, and Belichick, after getting fired from his second head coaching job, would be stuck as a coordinator/assistant head coach for the rest of his career.

    So yeah, “the road not taken” & all of that. There’s a lesson here for everyone.

  5. polegojim says: Oct 1, 2011 9:42 AM

    Interesting positive take on Al.

    Bill is a ‘high road’ man.

  6. tigers182 says: Oct 1, 2011 9:43 AM

    Belichick cheats and Davis still uses overhead projectors.

  7. billm2323 says: Oct 1, 2011 9:51 AM

    Al Davis, to those of us oldie football fans, has a much different place in football history than the one of the last 20 years. He developed the strategy that changed the NFL, developed great teams and was at the forefront of real integration in football. It has been sad to see the ridicule [some deserved] and his inevitable physical deterioration.

  8. howley1 says: Oct 1, 2011 9:52 AM

    It really depends on how receptive Davis would have been to Belichick’s “methods”.

  9. PFTiswhatitis says: Oct 1, 2011 9:56 AM

    Belichick should be counting his lucky stars that he didn’t end up in Oakland. WIth Davis over him he would have been miserable.

    oh and MDS, Belichick spelled wrong in first sentence!

  10. welzy says: Oct 1, 2011 9:57 AM

    “Bill Belichick reflects on his interview with Al Davis”
    —————————————

    Bill: “Um, why are you staring at me that way?”
    Al: “You look delicious.”

  11. nysaysbringit says: Oct 1, 2011 10:03 AM

    I did’nt know Al Davis was a zombie….But seriously Im a Jets fan and I have to tip my hat to the Raiders for thier win/ass-whooping they put on us. ..lol…but I have to tell you Raider fans that Brady and co. are goint to be on a mission! The Pats O is going to violate your D like a drunk prom date. Al Davis and most Raider fans will be seeing passes to Gronkowski and Welker in thier sleep!

  12. rexismybff says: Oct 1, 2011 10:07 AM

    Al looked deep into BB’s soul, and for the first time in his life was frightened to find someone with even less regard for basic human decency than himself.

    Then he spoke these prophetic words – “you will feel right at home in Cleveland and Boston, young man”.

  13. raiderrob21 says: Oct 1, 2011 10:13 AM

    Welcome to the world of “What If’s?” What if the fumble would have stood as a fumble? The Pats wouldnt be the Pats.

    RAIDER NATION!

  14. wryly1 says: Oct 1, 2011 10:16 AM

    No denying Belichick’s skills as a strategist and tactician. Nor can one deny he has a career losing record without HOF QB Tom Brady.

    Belichick’s own background is on the Defensive side of the ball, but several of his winning seasons of NE were accomplished with mediocre defenses and offenses that simply had to outscore everyone in shootouts.

    Yes, it’s heresy to criticize Belichick and I’ll get blasted for it, but game and season stats support my point.

  15. thesaint257 says: Oct 1, 2011 10:16 AM

    Is that the best photo they could find of Al Davis?

    *Charles Barkley voice* “That’s turrible”.

  16. Gordon says: Oct 1, 2011 10:22 AM

    Is that the Al Davis Halloween mask?

  17. baltimorons says: Oct 1, 2011 10:22 AM

    Al Davis showed Belicheat the stone tablets he used to chizzle other team’s plays onto.

  18. calibear831 says: Oct 1, 2011 10:24 AM

    Even if belichick would’ve gotten the Raiders head coaching job back then, we all know belichick wouldn’t have had the freedom to make the personnel decisions Like he does currently in new england. So he would have just ended Up being another coach fired after 1.5 seasons in oakland!

  19. jeremyb91 says: Oct 1, 2011 10:35 AM

    ampats says:
    Oct 1, 2011 9:40 AM
    Another fanbase left to think what could have been. Actually had Jon Gruden stayed, the Raiders might not have been embarrassed in the SB setting the franchise back into a decade of incompetence.

    Sunday, reality returns to the Bay area when the Pats roll over the Raiders. This game won’t be close, Pats by 2TD’s +.

    Two things you may not realize: One, that Oakland Super Bowl team that got whooped by Jon Gruden’s Bucs, would’ve destroyed the Bucs if Gruden didn’t play the QB in practice. He played Rich Gannon to a T all the way down to his cadence. The team knew everything that Gannon was going to do and the Raiders were hosed. Imagine Bill Belichick leaving he Patriots and going to another team and then playing the Patriots in a Super Bowl.

    Two, your beloved Patriots have the worst defense in the NFL right now in terms of yards given up. They have the 5th worst yardage total since 1970. The Raiders have a good enough offense that they should at least get to 400 yards and McFadden should have another 100 plus total yardage game.

    The game is going to be a closer than you believe.

  20. CKL says: Oct 1, 2011 10:41 AM

    wryly1 says: Oct 1, 2011 10:16 AM

    No denying Belichick’s skills as a strategist and tactician. Nor can one deny he has a career losing record without HOF QB Tom Brady.

    Belichick’s own background is on the Defensive side of the ball, but several of his winning seasons of NE were accomplished with mediocre defenses and offenses that simply had to outscore everyone in shootouts.

    Yes, it’s heresy to criticize Belichick and I’ll get blasted for it, but game and season stats support my point.
    _____________________________________
    I’m a Pats fan and I don’t mind criticism of him (or the team, etc.) if I think it’s fair. Heck we scream at some of the stuff he does ourselves. Yes he did have winning seasons with videogame offenses, but 0 SB titles. No HC can have that type of O and win SBs without a solid defense or at least one that steps up in the playoffs. None ever has.

    Also he was the HC of the Browns last playoff win (Brady never played QB for the Browns :)) when he beat his old boss Parcells who was the Pats HC at the time. Parcells has 0 playoff wins without BB on his staff, so that’s a fair criticism of PARCELLS, but not of BB.

    BB has long said that Brady is hard to coach because he’s so well prepared. Brady has acknowledged that he’s fortunate to play for a coach like BB as well. Brady and BB make each other better. It’s not EITHER/OR. Too many times, we like to see things as black & white but it seldom is especially in a team sport like football.

  21. raiderlyfe510 says: Oct 1, 2011 10:45 AM

    It was after the 97 season actually…and Al Davis made the right decision as Gruden and Callahan kicked Belichick and the Pats ass every time. ..Matter of fact Callahan is still kicking Belichick’s ass, they have what a 3 game winning streak against the Pats now?

  22. essentialsausage says: Oct 1, 2011 10:46 AM

    Belichick cheats.

  23. bwisnasky says: Oct 1, 2011 10:47 AM

    Another fanbase left to think what could have been. Actually had Jon Gruden stayed, the Raiders might not have been embarrassed in the SB setting the franchise back into a decade of incompetence

    ———————————————-

    More likely, Gruden would have went on to ruin the Raiders franchise much like he did Tampa in the fact that they sold their soul to sign a bunch of vets to long term deals in the hopes to steal a Superbowl with them before they all broke down and or retired… and unfortunately for Raider fans, the gamble didn’t pay off. That, more than anything, was why the Raiders were forced to totally rebuild after 40 years of reloading. That said, the rebuilding process is nearing fruition now, especially since now they actually have a coach and offensive co-ordinator that knows how to use the weapons they have.

  24. Patriot42 says: Oct 1, 2011 10:56 AM

    ““Belichick cheats” comments in 5,4,3,2,1…”

    Being jealous of Belichick only hurts yourself, maybe you should seek professional help to control your anger.

  25. waldoampere says: Oct 1, 2011 10:59 AM

    “Bill is a ‘high road’ man.”

    Is that why he resigned as the HC of the NYJ at the press conference introducing him as the new head coach? He couldn’t let the Jets know the night before or even right before the press conference which any normal person would’ve done? He’s a great football coach but, c’mon, a high road man?

  26. jnbnet says: Oct 1, 2011 11:00 AM

    raiderrob21 says:
    Oct 1, 2011 10:13 AM
    Welcome to the world of “What If’s?” What if the fumble would have stood as a fumble? The Pats wouldnt be the Pats.

    ==================================
    It was the correct call…..bad rule!
    If the raiders had won…..then who knows….they still would have had to beat the steelers, and then would have had to face the greatest show on turf. They might have won….or not. We’ll never know

  27. j0esixpack says: Oct 1, 2011 11:07 AM

    It’s clear Belichick and Davis have mutual respect for each other.

    And as much as we poke fun at Davis, let’s acknowledge that Davis has forgotten more about football than most people will ever know (literally AND figuratively)

    Davis if I recall was one of those in the NFL who defended Belichick during Spygate noting that signal stealing of all sorts has been going on since the 1950s

  28. pattunya says: Oct 1, 2011 11:10 AM

    Belichick cheats?

    I guess Vinatari cheats too…

  29. bwisnasky says: Oct 1, 2011 11:12 AM

    It was the correct call…..bad rule!

    ———————————-

    Actually, it was an incorrect call. The “tuck” is considered over whenever another part of the body touches the ball. There is a picture that clearly shows Brady with both hands on the ball before Woodson’s arm comes down to strip it. It is a crappy rule, that was applied worse than it is written. Not to mention if you follow the “indisputable evidence” part of over ruling a call on the field, then the call shouldn’t have been overturned alone on that, as it was originally ruled a fumble.

  30. bertilfox says: Oct 1, 2011 11:18 AM

    Thanks for taking down that “Crypt Keeper” pic of Uncle Al. I could’ve sworn you put that up at EVERY opportunity! My appetite has just now returned…just in time for lunch.

  31. axespray says: Oct 1, 2011 11:37 AM

    wryly1 says:Oct 1, 2011 10:16 AM
    “Yes, it’s heresy to criticize Belichick and I’ll get blasted for it, but game and season stats support my point.”

    Last I checked, the only stat that matters are W/L…. and right now Belichick consistently leads the League in Ws’.

    You gotta give the man some props.

  32. Xenu D. Alien says: Oct 1, 2011 11:53 AM

    bwisnasky says:
    Oct 1, 2011 10:47 AM

    More likely, Gruden would have went on to ruin the Raiders franchise much like he did Tampa in the fact that they sold their soul to sign a bunch of vets to long term deals in the hopes to steal a Superbowl with them before they all broke down and or retired… and unfortunately for Raider fans, the gamble didn’t pay off. That, more than anything, was why the Raiders were forced to totally rebuild after 40 years of reloading. That said, the rebuilding process is nearing fruition now, especially since now they actually have a coach and offensive co-ordinator that knows how to use the weapons they have.
    ================================

    The Bucs traded 2 1st round picks and 2 2nd rounders to get Gruden, and traded 2 more 1st
    rounders to get Keyshawn a couple years earlier. It wasn’t really Gruden’s fault there wasn’t much young talent on the team and he had to fill holes with veteran players.

  33. raiderlyfe510 says: Oct 1, 2011 11:56 AM

    @raiderrob21

    It was the incorrect call. Brady had two hands on the ball when Charles Woodson caused the fumble. You can probably google image the Oakland Tribune image of Tom Brady holding the ball with both hands as Charles Woodson closes in on him.

  34. jpb12 says: Oct 1, 2011 11:57 AM

    He’s 75-23 since Spygate. That includes 11 wins with Cassell

  35. beecee71 says: Oct 1, 2011 12:12 PM

    It amazes me that Patriot fans just want to dismiss the cheating like it was nothing. Well it was something and it will taint your legacy for all of time. It wasn’t an off field issue. It was right there front and center in a superbowl. It was confirmed by assistant coaches and the organization was found guilty. The head coach was fined. The organization was fined. It was so bad, tapes were destroyed instead of released. So next time you want to post 5.4.3.2.1 “start cheating comments” remember that it’s well deserved.

  36. William Marcellino says: Oct 1, 2011 12:22 PM

    billm2323 says: Oct 1, 2011 9:51 AM

    Al Davis, to those of us oldie football fans, has a much different place in football history than the one of the last 20 years. He developed the strategy that changed the NFL, developed great teams and was at the forefront of real integration in football. It has been sad to see the ridicule [some deserved] and his inevitable physical deterioration.
    ===================================
    He’s also the single person most responsible for racial integration in the NFL.

    1. Davis was responsible for the AFL’s strategy of recruiting from Historically Black Colleges and Universities, something NFL teams at the time refused to do.

    2. At a time when popular wisdom was that black athletes weren’t smart enough to play offensive line–they needed to be used only in skill/speed positions that were “athletic”–Davis put together an amazing line that included two pioneering black offensive lineman: Art Shell and Gene Upshaw.

    3. Davis hired the first latino HC in the NFL, HoF coach Tom Flores.

    4. Davis hired the first black HC in the NFL, HoF player Art Shell*

    5. Davis hired the first female executive in the NFL, Amy Trask.

    The results of the last 10 years show that Davis has made bad choices in personnel, coaching hires and cap management. But remember just how influential, and just how historically significant this man has been for the NFL. If you love football, you have to respect the man.

    GO NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!

    *He’s mos def in the HoF as a player, not a coach :)

  37. tatum064 says: Oct 1, 2011 12:47 PM

    I’m hoping Belichick will be reflecting on what truck ran his 31st ranked defense over….

    as he looks..he will only see DMC disappearing over the horizon

    RAIDER NATION!

  38. tiffpats4eva says: Oct 1, 2011 1:00 PM

    Patriot42 says:
    Oct 1, 2011 10:56 AM
    ““Belichick cheats” comments in 5,4,3,2,1…”

    Being jealous of Belichick only hurts yourself, maybe you should seek professional help to control your anger.
    ************************

    OOPS! Peep the log in name, genius.

  39. TheWizard says: Oct 1, 2011 1:01 PM

    kind of luck that New England got

    Yeah, everybody that’s successful just got lucky.

    Good luck with that philosophy.

  40. tiffpats4eva says: Oct 1, 2011 1:01 PM

    raiderlyfe510 says:
    Oct 1, 2011 11:56 AM
    @raiderrob21

    It was the incorrect call. Brady had two hands on the ball when Charles Woodson caused the fumble. You can probably google image the Oakland Tribune image of Tom Brady holding the ball with both hands as Charles Woodson closes in on him
    ************************************

    Pathetic. Get over it.

  41. MossMoon2Packers says: Oct 1, 2011 1:02 PM

    BB is a very good coach. I think we can all agree on that. But let’s stop over-hyping the importance of coaches by implying that coaches win championships. Sure, a good coach will bring out the best in his players, and a lousy coach will do the opposite. But a coach, no matter how brilliant, needs talented players to win championships. It’s just that simple. If BB had average players during his tenure in New England, you can be sure that he wouldn’t have won any SBs during that time.

  42. kegpack says: Oct 1, 2011 1:23 PM

    Actually you’re wrong Bill – John Madden was a defensive coach.

  43. j0esixpack says: Oct 1, 2011 1:29 PM

    beecee71 says:It amazes me that Patriot fans just want to dismiss the cheating like it was nothing.

    Not nothing – just common practice in the NFL since the 1950s as practices far “worse” than Spygate were pioneered by George Halas, Lamar Hunt and others.

    The utter ignorance of other NFL fans about this never ceases to amaze me.

    You gotta wonder how those fans rationalize the fact that in every NFL game this weekend coaches will be covering their mouths when calling in plays.

    Nooo…. of course not. Signal stealing and filming game plays and play calling NEVER happens elsewhere in the NFL!

  44. William Marcellino says: Oct 1, 2011 1:35 PM

    kegpack says: Oct 1, 2011 1:23 PM

    Actually you’re wrong Bill – John Madden was a defensive coach.
    =====================================
    While Madden’s college and initial pro jobs were as defensive coaches, he learned his craft under Don Coryell, and is part of the Sid Gilman coaching tree, through both Coryell and Davis. Belichchik isn’t wrong–he just knows his football history :)

  45. kegpack says: Oct 1, 2011 1:42 PM

    Madden was Oakland’s linebackers coach prior to becoming head coach.

  46. radrntn says: Oct 1, 2011 1:44 PM

    how stupid …..do you nreally think the pats are 3 time champs because of belladick

    It is very simple, it is because of the worse call in the history of any professional sport, and because of Tom Brady….anybody want to wager when tom brady retires, so does billidick.

    It is almost like saying Phil Jackson is a good NBA coach…..

  47. damnyoulinelliot says: Oct 1, 2011 1:46 PM

    I wonder if Al Davis mistakenly called Bill “Lance” too. Just like Kiffin.

  48. raiderapologist says: Oct 1, 2011 1:56 PM

    rexismybff says: Oct 1, 2011 10:07 AM

    Al looked deep into BB’s soul, and for the first time in his life was frightened to find someone with even less regard for basic human decency than himself.

    Wow. Not much of a football historian, I guess.

  49. rexismybff says: Oct 1, 2011 1:59 PM

    After Al sliced BB’s arm off with his light saber, he ominously drew breath through his black mask and stated, “Bill, I am your father”.

  50. tatum064 says: Oct 1, 2011 2:00 PM

    Some side story idiocy that could blow up in his face if the Raiders upset them – and they’re due, big time. The Raiders defensive front pressures up the middle, and the Lions revealed weaknesses in Pass protection…if the Raiders can successfully play zone and disguise coverages (without confusing themselves!?) They have a shot.

  51. Canyonero says: Oct 1, 2011 2:00 PM

    There’s so much glamour coverage of Belichick this season, it’s ridiculous. All that’s missing are rumors something’s on between him & Angelina Jolie.

  52. 1historian says: Oct 1, 2011 2:25 PM

    There were 53 guys on the Patriots’ roster in the 2008 Super Bowl. Since then – 3+ seasons – there has been a player turnover rate of 88.7% – 47 out of the 53 players on today’s roster are new since then.

    Somehow in that time frame the Patriots have managed to win 37 out of 52 games – 71%.

    Just thought you might like to know that.

    BTW – They have a history of coming back from a stinker with a beatdown.

    NOT TAKING ANYTHING FROM THE BILLS – They kicked our ass.

  53. 6ball says: Oct 1, 2011 2:26 PM

    .

    Spygate and tuck rule are so last decade. This Sunday we have a great matchup between the resurgent raiders with their explosive ground game and the patriots with their dazzling air attack. Why waste time on history that’s not going to change? We’ve got a pick -em game on Sunday in my mind. Good luck to both teams.

    .

  54. Mr. Wright 212 says: Oct 1, 2011 2:33 PM

    rexismybff says: Oct 1, 2011 10:07 AM

    Al looked deep into BB’s soul, and for the first time in his life was frightened to find someone with even less regard for basic human decency than himself.

    Then he spoke these prophetic words – “you will feel right at home in Cleveland and Boston, young man”.
    —————–

    LMFAO I almost died laughing.

  55. albigverg says: Oct 1, 2011 2:34 PM

    I think the Raiders were better off with the Gruden Hire..and the bigger mistake was when AL traded Gruden out of Oak.. who did we get from those draft picks?.. Phillip Buchanon and Langston Walker?!?! Had Gruden stayed they would have built a Dynasty in Oakland and we might have never heard of Brady Or Belicheat.. Imagine the players that would have been playing under Gruden.. Moss and Porter catching passes from Gannon or Collins.. Nnamdi and C Wood.. Dmc.. shoot even Russell would have panned out.. haha maybe not

  56. Mr. Wright 212 says: Oct 1, 2011 2:36 PM

    tiffpats4eva says: Oct 1, 2011 1:01 PM

    raiderlyfe510 says:
    Oct 1, 2011 11:56 AM
    @raiderrob21

    It was the incorrect call. Brady had two hands on the ball when Charles Woodson caused the fumble. You can probably google image the Oakland Tribune image of Tom Brady holding the ball with both hands as Charles Woodson closes in on him
    ************************************

    Pathetic. Get over it.
    ————

    Nope. The Patriots have never won anything without obvious ref cheating and their own video taping. We don’t hate the Patriots because they have championships, we hate them because they cheated more blatantly than anyone ever has, and had help in the 2001 game because the league still had it in for Al, as it has for decades.

  57. Mr. Wright 212 says: Oct 1, 2011 2:37 PM

    jpb12 says: Oct 1, 2011 11:57 AM

    He’s 75-23 since Spygate. That includes 11 wins with Cassell

    ———
    AND NO SUPER BOWL WINS, where his cheating would have given his teams just enough of an edge to win.

  58. philvil41 says: Oct 1, 2011 2:46 PM

    To all you idiots who defend the tuck rule-for the last time-the play doesn’t pass the eyeball test.Anyone with the smallest knowledge of football knows that it was a fumble.Look at Brady’s body language,head down walking off the field with no argument.That tells you all you need to know.And to all the losers who say the Raiders still had a chance to win after the call,get this straight-the game was over at that point.All they had to do was kneel down and run out the clock,so ANYTHING that happened after that is a moot point because the Raiders in essence had already won the game if the correct call was made.N.E. did not deserve credit for the victory,thus the Super Bowl win is forever tainted.

  59. brownwood26 says: Oct 1, 2011 2:58 PM

    ” If Davis had hired Belichick, much of recent football history would have changed.”

    Right…the Pats wouldn’t have 3 Super Bowls and the Belichick would have repeated his Cleveland performance in Oakland. Nobody in their right mind can work for Davis…nobody…

  60. mike32303 says: Oct 1, 2011 3:03 PM

    @Mr. Wright 212

    LOL the pats won 17 games in a row and demolished about 10 of those teams after they got “caught”. Give me a break moron most of those pats teams had unreal talent on defense and always made peyton look human. Get real hater

  61. Mr. Wright 212 says: Oct 1, 2011 3:28 PM

    philvil41 says: Oct 1, 2011 2:46 PM

    To all you idiots who defend the tuck rule-for the last time-the play doesn’t pass the eyeball test.Anyone with the smallest knowledge of football knows that it was a fumble.Look at Brady’s body language,head down walking off the field with no argument.That tells you all you need to know.And to all the losers who say the Raiders still had a chance to win after the call,get this straight-the game was over at that point.All they had to do was kneel down and run out the clock,so ANYTHING that happened after that is a moot point because the Raiders in essence had already won the game if the correct call was made.N.E. did not deserve credit for the victory,thus the Super Bowl win is forever tainted.
    —————–

    Thank you.

  62. backindasaddle says: Oct 1, 2011 3:35 PM

    If Davis had hired Belichick he would meddled and screwed it up and fired Belichick before he could implement a successful campaign. Al Davis will not allow success by any other means than his own. No coach can be last in Oakland unless they’re a complete puppet of Al Davis. The problem with that is that no coach wants to be dictated to and treated like a puppet.

  63. Mr. Wright 212 says: Oct 1, 2011 3:38 PM

    mike32303 says: Oct 1, 2011 3:03 PM

    @Mr. Wright 212

    LOL the pats won 17 games in a row and demolished about 10 of those teams after they got “caught”. Give me a break moron most of those pats teams had unreal talent on defense and always made peyton look human. Get real hater
    ———-

    And we beat THOMAS, and made HIM “look human” in the Super Bowl, after being one play away from beating them in the regular season as well.

  64. Mr. Wright 212 says: Oct 1, 2011 3:39 PM

    Got no reason to “hate” in the way you’re saying. The Patriots have absolutely nothing on the Giants in any capacity, pendejo lmao.

  65. antispy3 says: Oct 1, 2011 3:39 PM

    As a sheer football play “Snojob” was punctuated by a fumble.

    However, due to some confusion over previous seasons the NFL adapted a rule that is now (obviously; other Raider fans know what I mean) the NFL bailed out their referrees by taking the doubt factor away by instilling the so-called “tuck” rule. And, according to the letter of the law that particular day the refs ruled in accordance with the rule; to we Raider fans’ chagrin.

    Now; the first game of that regular season the “Tuck Rule” reared it’s ugly head in a game involving Carolina (don’t remember the opposition).

    so, there’s (1 precedence and (2 the letter of the rule was adherred to on that fateful day (you really think Gru would have left town with a Superbowl ring?).

  66. richm2256 says: Oct 1, 2011 3:43 PM

    philvil41 says:
    Oct 1, 2011 2:46 PM
    To all you idiots who defend the tuck rule-for the last time-the play doesn’t pass the eyeball test.Anyone with the smallest knowledge of football knows that it was a fumble.Look at Brady’s body language,head down walking off the field with no argument.That tells you all you need to know.And to all the losers who say the Raiders still had a chance to win after the call,get this straight-the game was over at that point.All they had to do was kneel down and run out the clock,so ANYTHING that happened after that is a moot point because the Raiders in essence had already won the game if the correct call was made.N.E. did not deserve credit for the victory,thus the Super Bowl win is forever tainted.
    —————————————————————-
    You are the worst kind of moron …… the kind with NO clue.

    Even after getting the “Tuck” call, New England was still down 13- 10

    The Raiders could have saved this win by, you know, STOPPING the Patriot’s offense.

    Instead, New England succesfully completed not one, but TWO scoring drives to tie, and then win the game.

    Raider fans keep whining about the “Tuck Rule” – which was also called AGAINST the Pat’s earlier that year! – when they should really point the finger at the Raider’s defense.

  67. richm2256 says: Oct 1, 2011 3:44 PM

    By the way Raider fans, do your homework and research the “phantom roughing” call against the Patriots in the ’76 playoff game that put the Raiders in the Super Bowl.

    Bad calls go BOTH ways. We’re even now.

  68. mrconnors says: Oct 1, 2011 4:08 PM

    Mr. Wright, since you have all the answers, explain how the Patriots only scored 3 offensive touchdowns in three games during their 2001 title run. You know, with all of those magical defensive signals.

    Or how they only scored 17 against the Titans, 24 against the Colts, 20 against the Colts, and how they went 3-and-out six or seven times against the Eagles in the 2004 SB. Remember, with “knowing every play the defense is running”.

    You see, with nimrods like you, you never stop to actually think. You just think spygate = championships. Now they certainly deserved to get punished for ignoring warnings after 2006 (and what this has to do with 3 titles won before that, I’m not sure), but I’d like to know where this big advantage was.

    By the way, Mr. Wright. You’re a Raiders fan, not a Giants fan. Otherwise you wouldn’t be whining about how the league has it in for Crazy Al. It’s always funny when you guys whine about the Patriots and then claim you’re a fan of like the Giants or Ravens, one of the few teams that have actually beaten them in the playoffs.

  69. soaringelvis says: Oct 1, 2011 4:48 PM

    beecee71 says: Oct 1, 2011 12:12 PM
    It amazes me that Patriot fans just want to dismiss the cheating like it was nothing. Well it was something and it will taint your legacy for all of time. It wasn’t an off field issue. It was right there front and center in a superbowl. It was confirmed by assistant coaches and the organization was found guilty. The head coach was fined. The organization was fined. It was so bad, tapes were destroyed instead of released. So next time you want to post 5.4.3.2.1 “start cheating comments” remember that it’s well deserved.

    ________________________________-
    Dear beecee69,
    I understand that you may be new to this whole “Spygate – cheating” thing. Please allow me to hopefully (and painlessly) remove your blinders:
    1) All 32 teams were sent a letter from the NFL main office before the start of the 2007 season to reframe from this practice. No team did.
    2) All 32 teams admitted (both coaches and owners) to doing exactly what the Patriots were accused of doing.
    3) Believe it or not, the taping that the Patriots were penalized for was not against the rules. It was just the location of where the camera was that was not allowed IF that specific taped video was used during that CURRENT game.
    4) In 2006, the Jets, Broncos, and Raiders were all reported on and reprimanded by the NFL for illegal taping. The Jets charge for taping even happened at The Razor during the playoffs. This is what prompted the NFL to send out the memorandum.
    But, hay, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy. Bill Belichick does not know how, nor does he care to lie about anything. Someday we will hear his “interpolation on the rules” explanation. And I’m sure that, as usual, when it comes to the rules of the game, be will be 99.44% correct.

  70. beecee71 says: Oct 1, 2011 4:51 PM

    @j0esixpack

    If it’s so common how come no one else, ever, got caught? I’ll agree that some coaches may have videotaped like Belichick. However, assuming everyone does just because your guy got caught is horrific logic. Do you really see Dungy, Vermeil, Schottenheimer, etc… doing it? Didn’t think so. And Belichick stole seasons from each of those coaches. There are people that walk the straight and narrow and for once I would like to see them celebrated. In our society we always applaud the recovered drug addict. Where are the applauds for those that never fell down that road?

  71. habsman says: Oct 1, 2011 5:01 PM

    Spygate was the biggest fiasco of the past 10 years. Roger (Former Jets Employee) Goodell over-reacted to taping defensive signals that could be seen by 80,000 people in the stands. It was an attempt by him to show everyone who the “boss” was. And he’s still doing it with the arbitrary fines he’s handing out.

    Others may say the Lombardi’s are tainted. Not me, I’m counting all three and very happy to do so.

  72. j0esixpack says: Oct 1, 2011 5:03 PM

    raiderlyfe510 says: It was the incorrect call.

    The NFL Competition Committee (lead none other than Patriot-hater Bill Polian) begs to differ.

    They reviewed the play, declared it properly enforced, reviewed the rule, and decided to leave it as is.

    The tuck rule has comes up just about every week in the NFL without much complaint since.

    It’s just Raiders fans who whine about it, mainly because they couldn’t stop Brady from scoring another 13 points afterward to win the game.

  73. soaringelvis says: Oct 1, 2011 5:08 PM

    beecee71 says: Oct 1, 2011 12:12 PM
    It amazes me that Patriot fans just want to dismiss the cheating like it was nothing. Well it was something and it will taint your legacy for all of time. It wasn’t an off field issue. It was right there front and center in a superbowl. It was confirmed by assistant coaches and the organization was found guilty. The head coach was fined. The organization was fined. It was so bad, tapes were destroyed instead of released. So next time you want to post 5.4.3.2.1 “start cheating comments” remember that it’s well deserved.

    ___________________________________

    Dear beecee69,
    I understand that you may be new to this whole “Spygate – cheating” thing. Please allow me to hopefully (and painlessly) remove your blinders:
    1) All 32 teams were sent a letter from the NFL main office before the start of the 2007 season to reframe from this practice. No team did.
    2) All 32 teams admitted (both coaches and owners) to doing exactly what the Patriots were accused of doing.
    Believe it or not, the taping that the Patriots were penalized for was not against the rules. It was just the location of where the camera was that was not allowed IF that specific taped video was used during that CURRENT game.
    In 2006, the Jets, Broncos, and Raiders were all reported on and reprimanded by the NFL for illegal taping. The Jets charge even happened at The Razor.
    But, hay, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy. Bill Belichick does not know how, nor does he care to lie about anything. Someday we will hear his “interpolation on the rules” explanation. And I’m sure that, as usual, when it comes to the rules of the game, be will be 99.44% correct.
    beecee71 says: Oct 1, 2011 12:12 PM
    It amazes me that Patriot fans just want to dismiss the cheating like it was nothing. Well it was something and it will taint your legacy for all of time. It wasn’t an off field issue. It was right there front and center in a superbowl. It was confirmed by assistant coaches and the organization was found guilty. The head coach was fined. The organization was fined. It was so bad, tapes were destroyed instead of released. So next time you want to post 5.4.3.2.1 “start cheating comments” remember that it’s well deserved.
    Dear beecee69,
    I understand that you may be new to this whole “Spygate – cheating” thing. Please allow me to hopefully (and painlessly) remove your blinders:
    1) All 32 teams were sent a letter from the NFL main office before the start of the 2007 season to reframe from this practice. No team did.
    2) All 32 teams admitted (both coaches and owners) to doing exactly what the Patriots were accused of doing.
    Believe it or not, the taping that the Patriots were penalized for was not against the rules. It was just the location of where the camera was that was not allowed IF that specific taped video was used during that CURRENT game.
    In 2006, the Jets, Broncos, and Raiders were all reported on and reprimanded by the NFL for illegal taping. The Jets charge even happened at The Razor.
    But, hay, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy. Bill Belichick does not know how, nor does he care to lie about anything. Someday we will hear his “interpolation on the rules” explanation. And I’m sure that, as usual, when it comes to the rules of the game, be will be 99.44% correct.

  74. Mr. Wright 212 says: Oct 1, 2011 5:18 PM

    lmao I’m not a Giants fan? WOW, you people have lost it.

  75. mrconnors says: Oct 1, 2011 5:43 PM

    Yeah, Mr. Wright, you’re a Giants fan whining about the Raiders being screwed and the league having it in for Al Davis.

    Not surprisingly, you didn’t respond to the rest of my post. I’ll ask again, why couldn’t the Patriots muster up more than 3 offensive touchdowns with those mystical, game changing defensive signals? Why couldn’t the Patriots do anything offensively against the Steelers? Why did Brady only throw for 140 yards (and he only got that because the Rams played prevent on the last drive) in the Super Bowl?

    I’ll wait while you don’t respond to that and instead make some snide comment.

  76. mrconnors says: Oct 1, 2011 5:47 PM

    Beecee, funny that you mention Vermeil, because he defended Belichick and said spygate was no big deal. He said he’d seen other teams do worse.

  77. beecee71 says: Oct 1, 2011 6:16 PM

    sorry soaringelvis i stopped reading after your outright lie about all 32 teams admitting to doing it.

    you guys are forgetting taping superbowl practices. it wasn’t just the defensive signals. maybe you should remove your blinders and admit the fact that not all people are low life cheaters. I give belichick credit for being a good coach. but don’t call getting caught cheating nothing.

  78. beecee71 says: Oct 1, 2011 6:26 PM

    oh and also it’s common place to be fined $500,000 to do something that isn’t against the rules. you’re just making stuff up now.

  79. j0esixpack says: Oct 1, 2011 9:01 PM

    @beecee71If it’s so common how come no one else, ever, got caught? I’ll agree that some coaches may have videotaped like Belichick.

    As anyone who knows anything about this topic knows, videotaping/filming from approved areas (i.e. the stands) is allowed under NFL rules.

    This includes videotaping the plays and the play calls.

    The rule Belichick violated was #1. Videotaping from the sideline and #2. Making Roger Goodell look bad because the vast majority of fans – like you – never had a clue that the NFL presently allows signal stealing and had been since almost back to the inception of the game.

    Your ignorance and the “shock” of other ignorant fans prompted Goodell to over-react and levy strong fines to cover his own ass.

    The next time the Patriots played the Jets, Belichick made a point of throwing out a Jets employee who was filming play calling from the stands at Gillette. Goodell made a point NOT to look into that situation, clearly not wanting to know what was on that videotape (though in Goodell’s defense – the Jets employee was legally taping the playcalling from the stands – not tough to do with today’s telephoto lenses for lip reading as well as telescopic microphones)

    Read the rules and the history – its all there.

    Lee Groscup’s 1967 Sports Magazine article on “Spying in the NFL” is also a good read.

  80. mrconnors says: Oct 1, 2011 9:23 PM

    Wrong again, Beecee. That accusation was proven false. Matt Walsh had no Rams walkthrough tape. I suggest you look up the facts before you keep spouting off.

  81. beecee71 says: Oct 1, 2011 11:58 PM

    @joesixpack
    please look at paragraph 4.
    case closed. you are wrong. good night.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3400028

    Belichick acknowledged that he violated NFL rules prohibiting filming opponents signals but insisted there was no intent to hide what he was doing.

    “I made a mistake,” he said in the interview. “I was wrong. I was wrong.”

    @mrconnors. i know. i love the rise.

  82. j0esixpack says: Oct 2, 2011 1:16 PM

    beece71

    Are you obtuse?

    As I said, filming from the sidelines is prohibited.

    Filming plays and playcalling from the stand is legal. Read the rules.

    Your theory of why every coach in the league playing today is covering their mouths when they call plays in would provide an interesting insight into the depths of your delusions.

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